all i really mean is it sorta feels bad
#protection
torn gulch
it does not really
fresh igloo
Hard disagree
still crater
Honestly the number of new things they're trying to implement is stupid high already. The little things really seem to stack up to almost as big a shift as legion.
still crater
which is probably why they picked that
torn gulch
i've done all ptr keys and i legit did not see a difference with or without seasonal
tropic gorge
Yeah I kind of agree. We have enough extra affixes for the seasonal one being removed won't have a major negative impact imo
Nor do I think it's renoval will suddenly make things a lot easier
I believe overall difficulty will remain roughly the same
sick sentinel
the seasonal i hated the most was prideful
8 fhought that was legit the stupidest shit ever
torn gulch
infested "shudders"
tropic gorge
I liked the shadow dudes from sl. I liked that seasonal
sick sentinel
Infested was fun
fresh igloo
I think a mild reduction in cognitive load to allow you to focus on everything else sounds perfect.
sick sentinel
it was..... ohh THAT guy has infeated kill him first..... noooooo stunnthe worms!!!!
sick sentinel
double
tropic gorge
I hated the bfa affix
sick sentinel
no triple
tropic gorge
I thought the portals were dumb
still crater
so, with the 4th affix removed, did they increase score gains for later keys, or do you just need to push higher for ksh?
sick sentinel
triple fuckjng void bitches at the start of undersuck
fresh igloo
so, with the 4th affix removed, did they increase score gains for later keys, or...
No score changes afaik.
sick sentinel
at one point we had 3 void aspirants or whatever at the start of underrott
torn gulch
void emisary + 5 dervishes in sethrallis
pull lasted a couple of days before it was removed
sick sentinel
thst casts on repeat a wipe the grouo spell
and it pissed my guild off so much i made a reddit post about, and it worked
still crater
reading all these bfa affixes, I feel even more glad I didn't play that expac
fresh igloo
Don't forget Valor is going away too so play with it now if you have anything to upgrade
still crater
literally nothing good sounds like it came from back then 
fresh igloo
reading all these bfa affixes, I feel even more glad I didn't play that expac
Lol it was... interesting
They were experimenting a lot
still crater
How many of them are permaretired?
sick sentinel
i used the avgn line "some game developer whos laughing his ass off just decided to put a pizza (void) down therem well whos goig to go after it, thats suicide"
daring marlin
reading all these bfa affixes, I feel even more glad I didn't play that expac
You missed out. Outside of S3 it was pretty good.
tropic gorge
Ah, avgn
daring marlin
Awakened was the best.
tropic gorge
That's the ninja turtle video right yogi
still crater
Awakened was the best.
skip mobs but gotta fight bonus bosses? Did the bosses at least count to %? Or was there some other benefit?
hardy snow
because deathspike is not a cast that goes on you, wa detects specific abilites that are casts
hardy snow
its a buff that boss applies to herself which adds dmg to her hits on you
daring marlin
skip mobs but gotta fight bonus bosses? Did the bosses at least count to %? Or w...
A good amount of the dungeons heavily used invis/shroud so it was incredibly nice.
still crater
its a buff that boss applies to herself which adds dmg to her hits on you
CAn it be tanq shotted?
fresh igloo
Don't think so
daring marlin
And it was the play on certain dungeons to spawn the minibosses with the final boss.
Again, it was the best.
still crater
A good amount of the dungeons heavily used invis/shroud so it was incredibly nic...
So what you're saying is, the dungeons themselves were cancer, and the affix made them fun again?
sick sentinel
i only vaugely recall adds on final boss for not doing some seasonal
fresh igloo
Is overkill but I run spell block all the time, and deathspike is a reason why.
sick sentinel
i just reember whatever affix that was
we alway did all of rhem
or left the dps one up
or the ewsy to kill one
still crater
Is overkill but I run spell block all the time, and deathspike is a reason why.
can't really think of a reason not to considering how much spell damage exists in every dungeon this season
tropic gorge
YOU CAN JUST WALK OVER IT
Hahaha I remember that video. The game. A d that moment
Being a kid and walking over it like, "oh man wtf really". That turtle game was hard af
fresh igloo
can't really think of a reason not to considering how much spell damage exists i...
You lose some damage and it's not necessary... but it sure is comfy.
I'm not pushing world records or top keys, I just wanted my portals
still crater
Eh. Back in legion I was all about the big burst prot could put out to fuck people and bosses up. But I guess when I get to tanking things seriously I think more about the fact that I should just do what makes it easiest to stay alive and let everyone else figure the damage shit out. Grabbing big packs for 150k still satisfies the urges, and I always feel good dropping 70k to shame bad dps
fresh igloo
Yeah. Your job is survive, hold threat, and do damage, in that order. If you can push more dps while surviving, great, but if you're not sure about surviving that's the first priority
tropic gorge
Someone yesterday in here told a new player prot war is a dps that doesn't die
That's a very true statement
fresh igloo
Lol
tropic gorge
I don't think spell block is worth using in sub 20 keys and most runs
Spell reflect, SW and iv can cover everything
still crater
it's sort of a circle for me. Survive >hold threat > help > do damage > survive...
If i'm good on survivability, no problems with threat, then try to do something to lessen the damage everyone else is taking, or make it so heals looks at me less than everyone else as much as possible. if everyone else is taken care of, or if rage is getting scarce, it's time to fuck shit up
@fresh igloo I just realzied you said spell block and not reflect. I don't think I've swapped to that ever 😂
fresh igloo
Try a jade temple 20 on Tyr without spell block and see how you feel about it heh
Yes SR is great but it doesn't cover everything
still crater
Try a jade temple 20 on Tyr without spell block and see how you feel about it he...
I keep hearing "on tyr..." what even is this?
tyrannical?
fresh igloo
But like I said spell block on every dungeon is over kill
fresh igloo
tyrannical?
Yes
uneven mason
Try a jade temple 20 on Tyr without spell block and see how you feel about it he...
A 20tjs on fort will fuck your couch as well without sb
still crater
Try a jade temple 20 on Tyr without spell block and see how you feel about it he...
gotcha. And considering what i've experienced so far, that probably is exactly what the fuck is gonna happen ;-; the only issue i've had up to 18 was last pack. I'm sure those fuckin kicks are gonna be a bitch later though.
uneven mason
Because that last pack and dark claw
fresh igloo
Because that last pack and dark claw
Yeah those minions can really truck lol
uneven mason
gotcha. And considering what i've experienced so far, that probably is exactly w...
It's a half sec cast can't reliably kick, use stops, pop CDs pray they die before SB/SW are done
still crater
literally stronger than everything else in the dungeon. Except maybe serpent strike way later on
uneven mason
If you're 2s left on sw and they're not dead it's time to roleplay the demo Hunter and leap out
still crater
If you're 2s left on sw and they're not dead it's time to roleplay the demo Hunt...
😂
fresh igloo
Jade strike and dark claw are the two most dangerous abilities in that dungeon
But I get some value out of spell block in lot of dungeons. I understand why people don't bring it everywhere but I don't miss tough as nails. So... meh.
Hyrja shield of light doesn't even tickle thru spell block. It's funny.
still crater
Well, since I broke my 19 and there isn't any value in doing anything else this late anyway, i'm wrapping my week with every key at 17/18 except RLP. Any tips for pushing all my fort keys to 18 next week or are fort weeks pretty okay at this level?
uneven mason
Fort is generally more dangerous to tanks than tyrannical unless your DPS are flippermonkies and can't hit their stops
fresh igloo
AoE stops and kicks are your friends on fort
Too many different things to account for without a more specific question though
uneven mason
Like, if you're not shitting hard on your parsing you can take the CDR on shockwave and disrupting and intimidating
fresh igloo
As prot we can handle a lot solo. Pummel, storm bolt, shockwave, int shout
minor forge
Managed the jade strike on 20 tyrann very well on tyrannical
But the first boss wiping my party left and right, ouch
fresh igloo
Racial stun if you're a cow
fresh igloo
Managed the jade strike on 20 tyrann very well on tyrannical
But the first boss ...
Mari has been buggy lately too
uneven mason
Managed the jade strike on 20 tyrann very well on tyrannical
But the first boss ...
Sounds like a ID-10-T error on the DPS part
Or are we back to the 15degree off visual bug for Jets
Where it's at 2oclock but shows 12
fresh igloo
Last night the water pulses were hitting people on platforms
fresh igloo
Or are we back to the 15degree off visual bug for Jets
That's fixed now at least.
uneven mason
O that's a diff one
fresh igloo
Was a weird ring interaction lol
uneven mason
ONE JOB
fresh igloo
Annulet broke the water jet.
How that interaction happens... I have no idea.
Coding is wild man
minor forge
It was no bug
Just id 10 t error
fresh igloo
That happens too lol
still crater
Maybe more specific then. My fort weeks have been the worst on ruby, jade, nok, and av (which i'd really rather never enter again). Any specific tips to make those better?
Also, I don't talent int shout. What are you giving up to take that?
minor forge
Imagine having flawless.all other bosses runs and struggle to a tank and spank fight
amber siren
Pain & gain or leaping strides
fresh igloo
Maybe more specific then. My fort weeks have been the worst on ruby, jade, nok, ...
There's an m+ build in the pins, I run a variant of that
tropic gorge
I don't mind av, I'm not a fan of the skips tho
weary saddle
I see many saying Season 2 dungeons are dispel heavy. How far do you think Protwar is disadvantaged cos we cannot dispel others
tropic gorge
Av is easy to time by holding w, staying on schedule and dps not making major mistakes in the first half
tropic gorge
I see many saying Season 2 dungeons are dispel heavy. How far do you think Protw...
laughs in dwarf
uneven mason
I see many saying Season 2 dungeons are dispel heavy. How far do you think Protw...
About as disadvantaged demon hunters Dks and druids are
fresh igloo
Maybe more specific then. My fort weeks have been the worst on ruby, jade, nok, ...
People like to pile up double pulls and do crazy skips and shit... but the most important thing you can do is have a clean run. Don't do more than a pack at a time if you're not confident in your group's stops. Wipe recovery loses so much time.
Learn the mechanics you're dealing with. Figure out what is pressuring your healer and stop those abilities
There's a lot of them in ruby for example lol
tropic gorge
I enjoy ruby. But damn it's hard
Lots of people like eating the dragon breath
And often times the next to last boss gives groups hell
still crater
There's an m+ build in the pins, I run a variant of that
Ah, that's basically the build I use. I the point is from bounding strides
tropic gorge
I used to not care for it because of its cd over heroic throw. But titabic throwing at multiple enemies is kinda nice
fresh igloo
That might be another flex point you can play with
still crater
*laughs in dwarf*
joins in di
tropic gorge
Esp for Los pulls like in rlp
tropic gorge
*joins in di*
Dwarf powah!
weary saddle
i dun like titanic throw because it tends to hit extra, that makes it bad for single pulls.
uneven mason
Yea bounding or titanic is your flex for intim
tropic gorge
I've gotten lucky so far and I've not noticed titanic throw pulling extras for me
sick sentinel
Racial stun if you're a cow
i had thought about race changing from tauren to high mountain, but meh
tropic gorge
But now I'm wondering how many times it's happened and I've missed it
fresh igloo
If you ever cc anything titanic can fuck you over
sick sentinel
high mountain racial sure fits the theme of a bull tank
tropic gorge
Intimidating shout I think is a sleeper ability a lot of people may overlook
modern brook
What is this 2008 we're polying mobs now?
still crater
People like to pile up double pulls and do crazy skips and shit... but the most ...
Yeah I'm never doing the skips in av on a fort week. Those pulls are foul on tyr. Not trying to volunteer to take even harder hits. Ruby wipes...Maybe int shout will help but it's almost always because primalists aren't getting interrupted on the ring. Fucking cancer.
uneven mason
It's not much of a thing anymore, iirc it used to check for 5 targets in range of you, now it checks for 5 targets near your target
tropic gorge
It shines great in places with caster packs
modern brook
Talent throws radius is not large enough to ass pull things unless you're being very irresponsible
tropic gorge
Yeah I'm never doing the skips in av on a fort week. Those pulls are foul on tyr...
Int is really good in rlp on the ring
tropic gorge
Talent throws radius is not large enough to ass pull things unless you're being ...
That's what I was thinking. I tend to target middle mobs when I do pulls, I've yet to notice it doing what I don't want it to do, so far
tropic gorge
Yeah I'm never doing the skips in av on a fort week. Those pulls are foul on tyr...
I'm with you man. I think the av skips are silly, and for me I've had more groups fail trying to pull the first packs in there than just holding w and staying on track
fresh igloo
Yeah I'm never doing the skips in av on a fort week. Those pulls are foul on tyr...
Spam cast of interruptable spells still works with aoe stops instead of just pummel, don't forget. If you can catch multiple spells with an aoe stop, you just saved your healer a bunch of stress.
sick sentinel
this is what i want them to tod about intimidating shout like 2 minutes
uneven mason
I'm with you man. I think the av skips are silly, and for me I've had more group...
You mean the frog skip that has been less efficient since week 2 but somehow every week someone tries to routlord me into doing it
tropic gorge
Yepper!
Had a group 2 weeks ago demand we do the skip. Comp was bad and didn't have a lot of stops and stuns. Instant wipe and group disbanded.
fresh igloo
Frogs are basically free, just stun the jump
uneven mason
"we doing skip right" yup I'm skipping you bricking my key
still crater
I'm with you man. I think the av skips are silly, and for me I've had more group...
the second room and the one after first boss are just too heavy. People fuck up and can't keep the crystals stun locked, or get way too close before they're positioned right and catch crystal spit. Or, worse than both, they focus the big one instead of the little guys and by the time sw and demo shout are done I've got 5 half health crystals walking around and next to nothing to help me stay alive when they blow chunks 4 times in a row.
tropic gorge
"if by skip you mean we are skipping the platform and going directly to the first boss, yes.
still crater
Spam cast of interruptable spells still works with aoe stops instead of just pum...
I"ll def remembe rthat. Already swapped bounding out so I don't forget tomorrow
tropic gorge
Frog rooms are free and easy percent. Shockwave those assholes before they leap and head to the next room. Ezpz
plush tendon
Frogs take legit 3-5 min based on key level and level of pump to kill for 30% count
in 3 big pulls
still crater
party with another war and double spear them. gg
plush tendon
the only time I wouldnt do frogs is bolstering maybe
fresh igloo
Melee dps just doesn't like that they jump away lol
plush tendon
unless you got a good funnel/ST damage dealer to focus breaker
plush tendon
Melee dps just doesn't like that they jump away lol
Reasons people dont like frogs 1).... the second reason is that they cant immediately go ham cause it takes a little bit to put the pull together
still crater
the only time I wouldnt do frogs is bolstering maybe
what a coincidence. next week is bolstering storming
tropic gorge
I'm glad bolster isn't a perma buff now
plush tendon
what a coincidence. next week is bolstering storming
just have a ST pumper
or someone who can prio cleave
modern brook
Just don't do frogs
fresh igloo
I'm glad bolster isn't a perma buff now
Lol yeah that surprised the fuck out of me
modern brook
Ez
sick sentinel
cuz, cacophonous is really nice to have, but its more like after the fact that you want it
the main purpose to hitting either menace or int shout is to fear the mobs so they stop casting
tropic gorge
Lol yeah that surprised the fuck out of me
When I saw that in the df patch notes I cheered
I got myself killed in Kara during bolster a few times trying to do big pulls lol
plush tendon
though Im only gonna be doing Halls of Valor for the rest of this Season.... theres a shield in there I want for TMOG that only drops in M+
so I gotta farm it before the season ends
tropic gorge
You know I don't care for df shields so far
Imo nothing is cooler that the bulwark of azzinoth
sick sentinel
they are fine
crystal mauve
though Im only gonna be doing Halls of Valor for the rest of this Season.... the...
Which one??
tropic gorge
Graphic wise I mean
plush tendon
Which one??
Skovald's Breaker or something
sick sentinel
plush tendon
its super viking like
tropic gorge
I don't like the buckler round shields. I prefer more fantasy style shields
plush tendon
and it would look siq with Dwarf heritage
sick sentinel
shield mogs in DF are bad my ass
crystal mauve
Graphic wise I mean
The definition is so low tho
tropic gorge
An HD update for older armor is deff needed
You can really see the difference in the t1 and t2 warrior tier
sick sentinel
yes for 2004 to 2010 wow i would start with updating
tropic gorge
Compared to even cata or Legion sets
tropic gorge
Yeah the tech is there to do it quickly
Or should be. Maybe at the halfway point blizz will shock us again and do a mini patch to update older tier
crystal mauve
T1 warrior set in high def would be soooo nice
sick sentinel
they don't even have to be made to look fantastic, just like, how you guys did the cursor image so it actually loosk like a gear
and not like, 4 fuckin pixels
like it was before
plush tendon
Which one??
Looks like dis!
crystal mauve
4 pixels armour were fine when they only had a grand total of 24 available lol
sick sentinel
World of Waifu's World of Waifu-Craft
tropic gorge
I also want the quelserrar graphic updated
crystal mauve
Oh I think this is the one I have atm 😮
tropic gorge
I think quel is the best looking 1h weapon tied with thunder fury
vale ravine
I think some of the shield mods in DF are pretty good way better than past expansions
plush tendon
And it would go perfect with this!
vale ravine
That's awesome
tropic gorge
I think some of the shield mods in DF are pretty good way better than past expan...
Compared to bfa and sl, I agree
crystal mauve
That’s a dope dwarf friend
tropic gorge
And it would go perfect with this!
OK that id use
plush tendon
That’s a dope dwarf friend
went from BE to Dwarf recently
vale ravine
Yo I need to make my warrior a dwarf
plush tendon
very happy with the change
crystal mauve
What’s this tiers set you are rocking. In hum?
tropic gorge
What armor and shield is that?
plush tendon
the armor is Dwarf Heritage
tropic gorge
Yo I need to make my warrior a dwarf
Join the bearded team. Where all our jokes are about drinking and women
plush tendon
and the shield and axe are just what I had in my bags that work
cause you know, cant use a sword as a Dwarf
that be weird
tropic gorge
Hey I use a sword!
plush tendon
need a double-sided axe or hammer and a Viking shield
sick sentinel
my rogue
vale ravine
Yeah right now I am a sunchild and hate it
tropic gorge
I've not found many axes I like
plush tendon
yea, looking through the axes its slim pickings
sick sentinel
nobody here clued into clever thing i did with name on him yet
tropic gorge
I do like the 1h mace MOG, I think yogi is using it. But it requires specific armor to look good with
vale ravine
Nah dwarfs need a mace .....HAMMER!!!!!
crystal mauve
nobody here clued into clever thing i did with name on him yet
If you are from Qc I get it ;p
plush tendon
theres the ironforge smasher
sick sentinel
ES TE TABER NACK
tropic gorge
I'd love to collect iron forge guard armor set
plush tendon
Yea, we working on looking good
tropic gorge
Getting the kings armor would be chefs kiss
plush tendon
hopefully my vault drops some TMOG this week
tropic gorge
Ah the SW guard
crystal mauve
hopefully my vault drops some TMOG this week
Giga chad, get 8x20 keys done for the week - only need Tmog lol
tropic gorge
Humans, especially females look great in SW guard armor
plush tendon
you look like a human took his armor off and dressed a dwarf up for Halloween
vale ravine
I have a mace I am using right now on my warrior that looks like mjonir
plush tendon
Giga chad, get 8x20 keys done for the week - only need Tmog lol
this is de way
sick sentinel
you look like a human took his armor off and dressed a dwarf up for Halloween
for a very long time
i was anti playing human OR orc
hardy snow
Giga chad, get 8x20 keys done for the week - only need Tmog lol
and im still doing 8x20 each week to get 421 weapon 
sick sentinel
just those 2 races specfically, and furry races and classes
sick sentinel
i've loosened up a bit since then
plush tendon
TMOG>Upgrades>Socket
tropic gorge
Human was top tier due to their racial. Orc is the only horde race I'd play
hardy snow
new season out in like 4 weeks
it means I still have 4 weeks to play and moreover im not guaranted to upgrade my weappon right when s2 starts
sick sentinel
in the very beginning 2004 of wow, every character that could be made into a dwarve, was for me
vale ravine
I thought about kul tirian
sick sentinel
since dwarf has on 3 minute cd, remove debuffs
vale ravine
Cause of the verse
plush tendon
I thought about kul tirian
Kul Tirin you can make look funny
tropic gorge
I try to keep a good push until the end of a season, so I can start the next one in a decent place gear wise
sick sentinel
so, until cata, i never rolled non dwarf
plush tendon
we ran a key, friend used the race change toy and made his toon look like a redneck from the south with two Katannas
tropic gorge
You can almost make Jaina as a kultiran
plush tendon
since dwarf has on 3 minute cd, remove debuffs
its 2 min
crystal mauve
and im still doing 8x20 each week to get 421 weapon <:copium:839076283467431956>
I have a new moto for DF and it served me well so far - ilvl is in your head. I was able to sneak into +16 keys on my fresh 70 BDK 370ilvl, we timed them and I did not die. Same on warrior. Don’t trust IO lol
hardy snow
Im thinking about changing race to alliance when patch hits (my guild is horde), i like their pvp tmogs, but races that have cool racials looks shit, and races that looks fine havent cool racials 😐
vale ravine
Kul Tirin you can make look funny
Yeah their body make up is kinda wonky in some armors
sick sentinel
regardless, its over powered
sick sentinel
for me it read "remove all debuffs"
tropic gorge
My favorite race in the game are blood elf girls tho. I think they look the best in most armor sets. Being more petite than a human makes them even cuter
sick sentinel
stone form made raiding stupidly easy for me as rogue
plush tendon
whats also fun with stoneform is that you can stoneform+Avatar and then your Dwarf becomes as big as a orc!
for 10 seconds!
sick sentinel
just cloak or stoneform or pre-vanish the mechanic
crystal mauve
whats also fun with stoneform is that you can stoneform+Avatar and then your Dwa...
I need this in my life, with Illidans shield to be giga massive dwarf
sick sentinel
the doors before the smoke maze
in mechagone workshop
u had goggles in bfa the trait was would make u smaller or bigger
vale ravine
I find arcane torrent just useful in a few dungeons since some mobs can have their overshields dispelled
plush tendon
yea, Arcane Torrent is great
sick sentinel
just to get in door
plush tendon
but also, all my toons are BEs until recently
vale ravine
Dwarf in Brackenhide is going to be nice
plush tendon
so a little change up was good for me; Dwarf War, Orc DK, BE Pal: the ideal set up
tropic gorge
whats also fun with stoneform is that you can stoneform+Avatar and then your Dwa...
Boss size
Avatar + stoneform makes you as big as the king of iron forge
crystal mauve
or someone in your key will be like 'I CANT SEE THE TANK!'
My warrior is a Vulpera and I made colourful Tmog just to be more visible lol (mythic Dazarlor full white is doing well to be seen)
sick sentinel
my transmog is impossible to not see
plush tendon
My warrior is a Vulpera and I made colourful Tmog just to be more visible lol (m...
I was wearing Dwarf Heritage in a Halls.... lets say I really blended in
sick sentinel
giant icicle monster
crystal mauve
Also the offset T2 from Palladian - purple does great in that department
vale ravine
I am wearing the purple t2 on my pally
tropic gorge
My favorite go to MOG, is black temple
I think the plate armor out of bt looks really good and screams warrior
sick sentinel
grnomes too, i have been anti gnome playing for a long time now
times change though
uneven mason
Can't bring myself to use any set pre mop, low res texture 🤮
plush tendon
My favorite go to MOG, is black temple
the rework of that mog from Legion is also good looking
vale ravine
My favorite go to MOG, is black temple
I have like 3 or 4 different colors of the t6 mogs on my warrior
tropic gorge
I didn't know there was a Legion rework of bt armor
vale ravine
I am trying to get the last two pieces from mythic tomb
tropic gorge
I'm gonna have to look into this and do a tmog hunt
uneven mason
I didn't know there was a Legion rework of bt armor
Tomb of sargeras
plush tendon
Also, the Antorus mog looks swag on a dwarf; unfortunately, the best shield for that is the legion mage tower one which I cant get 😦
tropic gorge
It only took me like 5 months to get the bulwark
vale ravine
I like the mythic antorus MOG as well
uneven mason
It only took me like 5 months to get the bulwark
The high res bulwark or the garbage from illidan
plush tendon
hoping for some good shields to come out of the Trading Post
tropic gorge
Illidan
uneven mason
🤮
uneven mason
Pixilated pixels
plush tendon
hey!
tropic gorge
Man the trading post weapon and shield mogs so far are blah
slim dove
still big gold now
tropic gorge
Pixilated pixels
Anti ailising and 1440p helps hide some of it lol
plush tendon
uneven mason
I'm loving that 2hnsword
crystal mauve
I am trying to get the last two pieces from mythic tomb
Remember to kill the trash, the belt is a trash drop! If you have the money a quick run at the AH works too. It took me a few weeks to find the belt after I noticed :/
uneven mason
Anti ailising and 1440p helps hide some of it lol
That isn't what anti aliasing does.....
vale ravine
I got the belt already I am missing helm and pants
uneven mason
And lower res texture look worse on higher res screen
plush tendon
I also made out like a bandit in my first Antorus TMOG run
just need two more pieces
everything soloable pretty easy
vale ravine
Yes I love that mog
plush tendon
though Eonar is a bit of a pain
plush tendon
Yes I love that mog
the only thing I have to do is change the mustache
so it doesnt clip through
tropic gorge
Dwarf beards clip damn near every hat and helmet
plush tendon
too bad this is the best shield for the set
Praying they rerelease those appearances
crystal mauve
FIRST RUN?! I'm on my 15th and I still have about 4 pieces lol fml
plush tendon
in mage tower again
sick sentinel
there are those two 2-hand weapons a sword and a mace from the traders tenders
tropic gorge
I'm still trying to put together what I called the ultimate og warrior set. Full wrath with the shield from chromag and a tf
tropic gorge
I have one binding in all the years I've been farming Mc. One. And my mage got it.
sick sentinel
even if its from 2004
crystal mauve
I'm still trying to put together what I called the ultimate og warrior set. Full...
Do you have a link to that Tmog? That sounds cool
tropic gorge
It's the tier2 armor set. I'm using my phone so searching for it would be a pita
T1 and t2 are super low pre HD wow days. They look
... Interesting lol
Well I think one update has been done during cata or wod for older sets. But you can deff tell it's old blizz
sick sentinel
time to get on wow for a nice all day play session......
and the servers going down in 15 minutes .... rip
uneven mason
I have one binding in all the years I've been farming Mc. One. And my mage got i...
I literally just got the first one offa Garr like a month ago
tropic gorge
I hope your second comes quick
uneven mason
Been farming MC those 2 since wotlk
tropic gorge
I don't hit Mc weekly or anything. I go in a few times a month to farm them and a hand of rag if I'm bored
sick sentinel
also how about fixing that thing where you are flying in DF fast and then u randomly DC
that'd be swell
tropic gorge
Farm wise, I've been doing it since wotlk also. But I've been in Mc since vanilla, and the binding I have is the 3rd I've seen drop ever.
It's such a low percent
I did hop in during bc and make a half hearted attempt to get a binding. At the start of bc the thunder fury was the strongest tank sword you could get. It's proc totally cheesed boss fights. Blizz nerfed it into the ground hard after that
The tf is one of the most nerfed items in the game I believe. It's gotten specifically nerfed a number of times lol
crystal mauve
How was it breaking bosses? I spend 8month in vanilla wow leveling as a holy pal because I didn't know you could chance spec lol I was far from having Thunder Fury lol
uneven mason
I did hop in during bc and make a half hearted attempt to get a binding. At the ...
It was the only way for warriors to hold aggro in ae because thunderclap wasn't in defensive stance and didn't produce extra aggro, so we had to spam battle shout
crystal mauve
ooh, you NEEDED it in order to tank anything basically
tropic gorge
Tf during bc was for its slow proc. Iirc it slowed attack speed quite a bit. And procd so often is was essentially a perma debuff
uneven mason
How was it breaking bosses? I spend 8month in vanilla wow leveling as a holy pal...
Slowed attack speed, stacked with thunder clap slow
sick sentinel
needing TF to tank in bc
tropic gorge
Yes
sick sentinel
was maximum fucking copium
tropic gorge
No yogi it was to cheese prog at the start of the xpack
uneven mason
needing TF to tank in bc
You didn't need it, but it made doing heroics doable without multiple cc or a paladin tank
sick sentinel
yes, over powered, but not as much as ppl say i bet
tropic gorge
Because the proc was legit too powerful. All guilds without a tf fell behind from those that had and used it
No it very much was as op as people say lol
sick sentinel
well, you had to get it in the first place
uneven mason
Warrior now is so much better than wotlk warrior
Wotlk was when prot was op for the first time
tropic gorge
But it wasn't op in a bad way because only a few would be on a server at any given time
sick sentinel
it was still very hard (relatively) to clear MC back in tbc
uneven mason
Wotlk prot was insaaaane you could stack sbv ARP and one shot people in pvp
tropic gorge
Would only take an hour or so tops. Kill 3 bosses and bail. Well, 2 really you can skip garr
sick sentinel
its like, if you could get it you would use it i suppose and it seems like not very many at all players got a TF
uneven mason
it was still very hard (relatively) to clear MC back in tbc
You only went in for baron and garr
left basalt
Doing 16s, 17s, and 18s. I'm simming 50k dps in full 411, but usually around 36-40k overall during the dungeon.
Do I need to get good, or is that the nature of the ebb and flow of the live game?
uneven mason
Which wasn't that hard, Garr you just needed a hpal in pvp gear as your healer
uneven mason
Doing 16s, 17s, and 18s. I'm simming 50k dps in full 411, but usually around 36...
Are you looking at details or WCL?
left basalt
Are you looking at details or WCL?
Just details
sick sentinel
i just think for most of use out of the loop, it would have been way out of the way and overly complex
for 2007 2008
tropic gorge
Lots of people had a binding going into bc. Most people were Hunting just one. Quite a few guilds on hyjal made use of its power until it's fateful nerf
left basalt
Also what sim are you running
Just raid bots
uneven mason
So patchwerk 5min?
left basalt
So patchwerk 5min?
Yes, sorry not clear.
sick sentinel
it would be dangerous to have a weapon equivalant to thunder fury in retail wow
thats all i can say for sure
uneven mason
So that's not a good sim, because it gives you all the buffs
tropic gorge
it would be dangerous to have a weapon equivalant to thunder fury in retail wow
Thunder fury is why old items are turned off now. They don't want to repeat that
uneven mason
But 40k overall in a key is low
tropic gorge
Instead of nerfing it into the ground like they had to with the tf, now they just turn it off
sick sentinel
if they added int some thunderfury literal legendary weapon, people would, lose, their, minds
uneven mason
Thunder fury is why old items are turned off now. They don't want to repeat that
No, Legion legendary is why old stuff is turned off
tropic gorge
You'll all notice the one borrowed power we never got is the tf proc
I guess bfa thunder lord came close
left basalt
But 40k overall in a key is low
i will relook at the rotation and see what im missing, is there pinned instructions anywhere for the warcraft logs option?
uneven mason
Bear tar tar, strategem and aggramars stride
uneven mason
i will relook at the rotation and see what im missing, is there pinned instructi...
Are you in defensive stance
dusky canopy
Day 1,234 rioting for removal of explosives
slim dove
Day 1,234 rioting for removal of explosives
current iteration is gone forever today
dps get to deal with it in 4 weeks
uneven mason
current iteration is gone forever today
dusky canopy
dps get to deal with it in 4 weeks
Correction, Healers have to heal it now instead of putting one gcd into it
🧠
sick sentinel
Day 1,234 rioting for removal of explosives
hardy snow
dps get to deal with it in 4 weeks
dps have to deal with mechanic all over the dung, key rip 
slim dove
idk if ima do 600k dam in 8 seconds chief
sick sentinel
yes really
uneven mason
Looks like a job for rallying cry
slim dove
tbh if only 1-2 spawn per pack
slim dove
just let em go off
left basalt
Are you in defensive stance
should not be, i only found the discord a few days ago, so was spamming WW until then...
slim dove
but next season dungeons have alot of passive dmg flying around
soooo
pls kill explosives i beg
crystal mauve
Doing 16s, 17s, and 18s. I'm simming 50k dps in full 411, but usually around 36...
With 411 you should be close to 45k overall if everything goes well. Do you have offensive trinkets? Doing only +18 you should be able to pump a lot of damage as the damage taken is really low. Make sure to use the new ring it's really strong, especially if you are still learning the class.
dusky canopy
If they want them to have high health they should give them a icd of 20sec ish or something and have a maximum of 1 spawned at Time
uneven mason
should not be, i only found the discord a few days ago, so was spamming WW until...
So wowhead has a "how to WCL" guide, somewhere...
shrewd grove
no access to raids
Everyone has access to raids?
sick sentinel
whetstone/bigtoe
dual on use trinkets is typically very bad
cinder storm
At what key level are explosives manageable on the PTR? Like easily manageable. I believe if we find that out, we can then assess what key level exactly Blizz test m+ dungeons
left basalt
its either that, or scale, or LFR trinket
sick sentinel
i would strongly finding a passive one to pair with your best on use option
dusky canopy
+20 they around 470k hp after nerf roughly
So like 10 dps globals roughly
Depends on Crits etc
And when a pack of 6 mobs spawns 3 of them at once
crystal mauve
dual on use trinkets is typically very bad
it's not typically very bad, it's just harder to manage appropriately but it's fine if you know what you are doing. Arguably it can be worst than 1 passive 1 active due to loosing uptime but it depends on the passive vs active trinket you are considering
left basalt
i would strongly finding a passive one to pair with your best on use option
The only non on use is a 376 LFR or a 411 Scale
sick sentinel
and most people my self inluded, don't play properly enough to use 2 on use anyways
dusky canopy
dual on use trinkets is typically very bad
Make macro
#showtooltip
/use 13
/use 14
Put the preferred trinket in the first 13 and the less preferred in 14
Like I do grieftorch on 13 so I can send it on pull
And whetstone on 14
And they make WAs to track cds
So do that
Profit
crystal mauve
Make macro
#showtooltip
/use 13
/use 14
Put the preferred trinket in the first ...
At a similar ilvl I though Whetstone dealt more damage, no? I don't have a Grieftorch so I never had to choose but I'm curious to know what number you see on both
dusky canopy
Grieftorch Varys wildly
Sometimes it’ll do 12m in a key
Whetstone does like 6ish
Let me find a recent log and check mine I’m mobile so sec
crystal mauve
Cool thanks 🙂
uneven mason
Everyone has access to raids?
Some of us are in self imposed exile as the Emperor's of nothing
uneven mason
Grieftorch Varys wildly
The trinket that gets better the worse your DPS is
uneven mason
and most people my self inluded, don't play properly enough to use 2 on use anyw...
Use a macro tie it to avatar
Or shield block
dusky canopy
Ok so just a random key from last night my grief torch only did 6m but that was a zero death run
uneven mason
Or whatever
dusky canopy
I’m trying to find one with extra deaths
uneven mason
Since CD don't impact trinkets you just want to send them
So just macro em in a button you press a lot
Charge is a good one
dusky canopy
Ehhh
Yes and no
You don’t want to grief torch one mob
Unless it’s boss
For example
But you would want to send whetstone on cd
Any target count
hardy snow
and you dont want to grieftorch after you charge right into mob
tropic gorge
Dual on use for me, means one gets ignored most of the time lol
hardy snow
whispering to buff your party, all-totem to have something good for yourself 
dusky canopy
Cool thanks 🙂
Browsed a couple logs from yesterday not much recent data to share since I was running all totem instead of whetstone yesterday, but basically my 411 grieftorch competes with my 415 whetstone they’re about even, grief torch takes over very quickly when people start to die a lot
I also prefer grief torch because it’s main stat and not mastery
Whetstone overall is decent ye but you take away damage from every else since you lose almost 500 str
queen furnace
I've been running with whetstone and hoof for a while now, can't find trinkets to save my life
strong forum
It can vary from 200 to 600k++ per use cuz crit and amount of shots rng
shrewd grove
Grieftorch also makes it less painful when your DPS stand in stupid
Bc at least you get to nuke stuff
Has become a running joke in my group "I was just resetting Storm's grieftorch, sorry"
crystal mauve
For parsing
I has in raid 😉
strong forum
Have a tactical suicide shaman every 30sec
Yeah once or twice, sure but I mean constantly
queen furnace
the grief squad
strong forum
Ankh totem + ankh
crystal mauve
For parsing
Look at some prot warrior logs, in a 6min fight you see the prot warrior casting 9 torch or something stupid like this lol
dusky canopy
You would need what 5 or 6 shamans
To rotate reincarnate
For a sub 3 minute fight
strong forum
Boss should die quickly if you have 15 grieftorches go off every 30sec
strong forum
Legit just open with Lust, once Lust ends you send the suicide bombers on a schedule
dusky canopy
Off the top of my head I feel like I’ve pogged out with my buddys a time or two when one of our grief torches does over 1m on a single cast of it
queen furnace
anyone else having this issue on EU?
dusky canopy
Or like grief torches on rasz is pretty sweet
dusky canopy
At the same time I love trinkets
This totally! Keep making fun trinkets blizz!
tropic gorge
So my guilds gonna do our first brood pull tomorrow. Yay extending!
crystal mauve
Legit just open with Lust, once Lust ends you send the suicide bombers on a sche...
The boss fight last 2:20m and there is 3 Torch cast... lol
tropic gorge
Ty! Ima need it lol. Seems atm the plan is for me to be on egg and boss duty
jagged pier
so is anti
strong forum
Extending in heroic prog is not smth I expected to read today
tropic gorge
My guilds very bebind
strong forum
Good luck! It's pretty chill as tank
jagged pier
there are raid guilds out there extending normal
tropic gorge
At the start of the season we had a major habgup with a prot pal player that is incredibly bad
jagged pier
I would not be suprised anyway
strong forum
there are raid guilds out there extending normal
Im rly sad that BT project is on pause
dusky canopy
This route might be out dated but this is the route I learned
tropic gorge
We started heroic a bit late into the season. We have been playing catch up since I was able to slide into the tank slot.
Since I got the spot we have made very good progress.
And while it's gonna be really tight, I think we can squeeze at least one raz kill in.
Next season we won't have this issue
tropic gorge
This route might be out dated but this is the route I learned
Ty, I saved that
strong forum
Couple buddies wanted to go show a R1 buddy a normal prog guild cuz he refused to accept that that exists. So they planned to play super mega scuffed builds on fresh alts and go undercover in such a guild
dusky canopy
If your group struggles with doing 3 eggs back to back on 3 and 4
You can switch it from 4th set to 6th
jagged pier
hopefully it happens
dusky canopy
If that makes sense
strong forum
He wouldn't last 1 night ( the R1)
jagged pier
ppl still dont believe me when i say 50% of players dont even run a single m+
tropic gorge
I do.
jagged pier
He wouldn't last 1 night ( the R1)
oh no for sure he wouldnt
tropic gorge
Even in my guild we have a lot of people with no io
jagged pier
but at least he will know they exist
patent gorge
I have to decide if I have the mental fortitude to help a buddies guild prog M Rasz. This would be my 3rd kill with a different guild. Lol
daring marlin
ppl still dont believe me when i say 50% of players dont even run a single m+
That's wild.
dusky canopy
Players that have played this game since the beginning recognize the gap in player skill
tropic gorge
I think a lot of players are scared of m+ because they think mdi is the norm
dusky canopy
New players have so much information at there disposal that they have infinitely higher odds of jumping straight to the harder stuff
daring marlin
Makes sense to me that so few would engage with M+ due to the timer.
Imagine if keys actually got bricked like in Legion. 🤣
dusky canopy
What’s wild is looking at the rankings on Rio or warcraftlogs
tropic gorge
New players have so much information at there disposal that they have infinitely...
If a player comes from like eso or ff14, I could see jumping right into difficult content. For new players to the genre, maybe some but most probably not
strong forum
Some players are just scared by the timer alone
jagged pier
^^
daring marlin
muh anxiety
strong forum
I know I was back in legion at first, I thought I had to bumrush from pack to pack
daring marlin
oh yeah, for sure
dusky canopy
That’s only barely doing 20s
strong forum
Ye KSH is top 1%
tropic gorge
My guild does a guild m+ night. For all obvious reasons. I've showed quite a few people that m+ isn't as bad as they think it is.
daring marlin
This same shit applies to League even.
jagged pier
EU its 3k US its 2.9k
tropic gorge
I don't usually do mdi style pulls and shit. I just hold w, do packs and try to keep a good pace
dusky canopy
So 1% of the TOTAL population of M+ participants can do 20s
This doesn’t filter the ones who were boosted either
strong forum
It's funny how the gap between 1% and 0.1% is literal lightyears however
jagged pier
top 10% is 2.4k US and 2.5 EU
tropic gorge
Doing any 20? Or doing everything at 20?
daring marlin
It's funny how the gap between 1% and 0.1% is literal lightyears however
FACTS DUDE
dusky canopy
Everything
naive panther
Getting invites when your in the liw 20s is rough. At least that's my experience, even with every key at that level but the one and getting invite to that one you need.
naive panther
Then running your own key and someone doing tank damage or other screw ups.
tropic gorge
Then running your own key and someone doing tank damage or other screw ups.
I kinda expect that around 10 and below. Seeing that at 18 to 20 is soul crushing
I fully understand people have off runs etc. But damn
naive panther
People do it in 22s etc
dusky canopy
Then running your own key and someone doing tank damage or other screw ups.
People always doing tank damage in my keys >:)
tropic gorge
I had aa20 last week as my key. Warrior paradise. Ez key
tropic gorge
Stacked my dps pugs all over 405 ilvl and 2200 io. Blew up at the tree boss.
daring marlin
The difference between 20, 21, 22 and 23 starts getting whacky
tropic gorge
I was so frustrated lol
naive panther
I've been playing my ret. I went from 350 ilvl last week doing 2s to doing 20s this week at 400 ilvl top damage. It's op but fun. Don't get invites yet so run my own key.
dusky canopy
20-22 bracket is basically a dead end currently unless you get lucky
sick sentinel
tyraniical tree boss givers me anxiety
daring marlin
Did a 22 RLP and people weren't popping CDs for the debuff
naive panther
And yes a 22 to 23 is pretty huge for some keys.
daring marlin
on last boss
tropic gorge
I like ret paladin and dk as mele
daring marlin
shit was bizarre
tropic gorge
Rogue is rare to see sadly, at least for me
naive panther
23 aa and people standing in shit on vex is alarming, and a healer that can't top people
dusky canopy
23-24 from what I’ve been hearing and reading is infinitely easier than 21-22
I guess the skill gap is large
sick sentinel
dk and ret are good cuz they got battle rez
naive panther
War needs lust now
naive panther
It does
naive panther
Then can avoid squishy hunters and shamans. I'm leaving out mage cause I never end up with them either.
dusky canopy
What’s a mage?
sick sentinel
i still think rogue should be able to stet up a stand for the pvp drinks they have and its like a healthstone
dusky canopy
tropic gorge
My entire view has changed as I've tried to push into 20s. I really did expect a higher, I guess "quality" of player in the range over 20. I expected good gameplay and minimal mistakes
naive panther
Lol neat
tropic gorge
Boy damn was I wrong.
uneven mason
My entire view has changed as I've tried to push into 20s. I really did expect a...
Lol
Nooo pugs are pugs
tropic gorge
From time to time I'll stack pug dps and it's a breeze
naive panther
Nah any idiot with some time can get carried to 3k eventually
tropic gorge
Then I'll try again and it's a dead key
naive panther
Especially if meta class
dusky canopy
My entire view has changed as I've tried to push into 20s. I really did expect a...
To put it politely, pretty much anyone in the 20-22 bracket now are like the bottom of the barrel skill wise for that bracket specifically it’s super late into the season
I’m not saying that’s directly your skill level at all
daring marlin
20-22 is like League gold/plat elo hell
dusky canopy
Just in general that’s the type of players you’ll get queuing into your pugs
daring marlin
best of luck fam
strong forum
Thing is however you also get good players who just do their weekly
But that's rare
sick sentinel
pugging is like fishing, you gotta wait some times, and then sometimes its a huge fight sometimes its not, sometimes line or fishing pole breaks some times u get a fish
sick sentinel
and u just have no control over it
tropic gorge
I’m not saying that’s directly your skill level at all
I didn't think you were
sick sentinel
but u can try to make the right things happen
tropic gorge
I know I'm not anywhere near top tier or half as good as some dudes in here. However I'm getting convinced I'm better than the average.
daring marlin
Bolstering/storming
dusky canopy
I didn't think you were
No worries just making sure, I’m not the absolute best either didn’t want to sound too air headed in a public space
daring marlin
...should be ok right
dusky canopy
daring marlin
:^)
tropic gorge
Lol
dusky canopy
I know I'm not anywhere near top tier or half as good as some dudes in here. How...
The fact that you can complete a key over 18 even puts you well above average
daring marlin
You got 14 mins yogi
dusky canopy
Average would be 50% keep in mind
daring marlin
13
dusky canopy
Yogi
Gas is on the right
Shit.. speaking of that
Found out yesterday one of my guildies has clutch, break, and gas as keybinds apparently.. he uses the pedals from his race sim setup
sick sentinel
The fact that you can complete a key over 18 even puts you well above average
how about if its SBG 18
does same logic apply kappa
sick sentinel
Found out yesterday one of my guildies has clutch, break, and gas as keybinds ap...
if its stupid and it works it ain't stupid
sick sentinel
anytime you see someone doing something stupid, is cuz at one point it did work
sick sentinel
HoV has legit like 20 items in its loot table.
dusky canopy
Yee
sick sentinel
i have all but some legs i think it is
dusky canopy
I have all except shield
sick sentinel
im in
dusky canopy
Just started specifically hunting the mog
daring marlin
This happens literally every week. People are silly.
crystal mauve
Couple buddies wanted to go show a R1 buddy a normal prog guild cuz he refused t...
Talking about scuff builds, I noticed when we killed Mythic Rasz that our HPal was not using Beacon, thanks to this I parsed 99% in healing (and 40% in dps)... LoL
hidden linden
are eu servers down? wtf is this
Yes, a hotfix was pushed on (EU) client, servers are lagging behind, thus this situation. Best you can do is wait for them to fix it
dusky canopy
Helmet all day long
Unless you plan on a looting a 424
Well wait do you have helmet at higher ilvl currently?
bitter schooner
is the game down for anyone?
dusky canopy
What game?
bitter schooner
oh sorry
sick sentinel
bitter schooner
didnt read chat above
dusky canopy
Yogi my vote is helm
sick sentinel
dusky canopy
More stats than shoulders
naive panther
I got ICON
naive panther
or 421 pants with leech
dusky canopy
Ggs icon
naive panther
already have 421 pants
plain vapor
YEET
dusky canopy
Yoooo
naive panther
nice grats
dusky canopy
Icon is only cool if your group members run it
shrewd grove
Lemme just hide my 421 Strike Twice I got last week...
tropic gorge
Lol
jagged pier
i mean seasons over soon then youll need the nelfarious wep anyway 🤷 take socket if u want it
dusky canopy
Gottem
jagged pier
bis
dusky canopy
Holy shit
jagged pier
well would be better with leech
shrewd grove
No leech, disenchanting :/
tropic gorge
A dps war got that ring this week. A dh went tf off
shrewd grove
Yowch
tropic gorge
Dude didn't have the frost fire belt at the time. I don't know if he's made it yet
jagged pier
prisma crane
socket! 
uneven mason
Imagine opening vault as prot
daring marlin
First vault opened as prot.
dusky canopy
Once you get that 421 shield
daring marlin
Already have two 2Hs, 421 whetstone
dusky canopy
You start opening as fury until you get strike twice
frigid socket
Just noticed SB is not being tracked in Details under buffs? Did they move it somewhere?
dusky canopy
I’ll run some diagnostics and get back to ya
tropic gorge
I've been opening mine as prot hoping for a trinket
dusky canopy
Ye
Then you definitely
Want to open as dps spec
We don’t really need defensive trinkets
tropic gorge
Would it matter which?
dusky canopy
I would suggest fury so you can still loot a strike twice
If you also like to play arms you could do arms spec and hunt for a 2h specifically
tropic gorge
I have a crafted 2h for arms
I probably shouldn't have made it. But damn does it hit hard when I do world stuff
I'll open today as fury and see what drops for me
uneven mason
I've been opening mine as prot hoping for a trinket
We don't use defensive trinkets they're all pretty garbage this tier, but for all totem
prisma crane
yea, but if you already have all of those other slots, going back to prot to hunt for a shield and 1h isnt a bad thing
vale kraken
What trinkets do you guys like? I've grieftorch and whetstone which I alternate but what non use one should I look for?
prisma crane
Icon, Totem
i dont hear about it much but i feel like a haste or crit crafted statue may even be decent at least if you have a lot of sockets
vale kraken
Icon, Totem
Thank you
uneven mason
What trinkets do you guys like? I've grieftorch and whetstone which I alternate ...
Just run those, make one macro
odd tree
can only prot loot all-totem?
lyric heart
whot phial are we running in M+?
tranquil vine
According to Icyveins Tepid Versatility is our go to
vale kraken
Just run those, make one macro
Oh you think? I've the Idol of Trampling Hooves atm
tranquil vine
According to Icyveins Tepid Versatility is our go to
edited
odd tree
its a tank trinket
ok, that's what i thought
got a whetstone, need something other then hoof, its kinda meh
tropic gorge
whot phial are we running in M+?
They all Sim roughly the same. Use what you like
I really like eye of the storm phial in m+
lyric heart
They all Sim roughly the same. Use what you like
i well tried it out ty ^^
strong forum
eye in the storm in m+
vers in raid
but you cant go wrong with vers phial in m+ too, its just outclassed on 2+ targets by eye
tropic gorge
With eye stacked up and a str pot with procs I've seen 10k str before
That's really cool to do
shrewd grove
Why did I think we were supposed to run glacial fury?
strong forum
it was good early in the season
shrewd grove
Ahh, I just never revisited
shrewd grove
I have been! I'll make the swap today and see how it feels
strong forum
but since we actually deal dmg on our own as a class that gets buffed by stats, we benefit more from stats than the raw dmg
sick sentinel
broooooo
tropic gorge
Grats
shrewd grove
Yeah that definitely makes sense. Man, my damage is gonna be wild today, compared to yesterday. 421 diurna ring, the right phial, and a 418 frostfire belt
strong forum
grats
karmic plinth
the speed roll too
violet flume
i wish tiertiaries were more common tbh, theyre so much more fun than sockets
plush tendon
tropic gorge
Yes they can be
oblique quarry
Do we still do the triple pull in hov with bolstering?
strong forum
if you coordinate it, yes
plush tendon
for pug (or even a weekly key).... this week... I would split up personally
super bolstered dragon sounds like a bad time
tropic gorge
Or a really good time. For at least a few seconds
shrewd grove
So uh
Timewalking TJS final boss didn't get downscaled
No one in my group has more than 10k hp
Lmao
daring marlin
Tunneling dragon hard I guess lol
daring marlin
get 'em chef nimchip
dusky canopy
Give ‘em the smoke
That explains the random dms trying to sell me shit lmao
I always just delete the dm and move on
strong forum
report em to us so we can ban em here and other discords
theyre either just in skyhold or in multiple ones
dusky canopy
I’ll be sure to do that for future ones
Speaking of people trying to sell things
How about those calendar raid invites in game
“Full normal carry 9.99usd”
Bruh lmao
tropic gorge
Lmao
strong forum
same goes for people who harass you in DMs and theyre in skyhold, thats a quick ban
tropic gorge
I set my client here to require permission to send dm messages. Really helps filter out the bait
dusky canopy
Imagine harassing players in a public space designed specifically for guidance
strong forum
happens more often than you think
tropic gorge
Scammers gonna scam. And some people take things way to personally
craggy pilot
is Impenetrable Wall good for 3rd boss Temple? 🤔
like can i get 2x Shield Wall during Jade phase if i spam the shit out of SS?
naive panther
I usually use the 2 charges for that dungeon
craggy pilot
same, but i usually feel safer with Impenetrable Wall, cus with the other i need to save up for quite a while leading up to bosses
tropic gorge
It's kinda not needed imo. Grant it I haven't do e tjs20
lusty grotto
idk i use 2x wall for jade as well
tropic gorge
Last stand, iv, SW and maybe rally if you need it, has been enough for me up to 18
lusty grotto
why do you need wall before the boss though, everything is reflectable
tropic gorge
I can't remember if I've done tjs19 yet
craggy pilot
why do you need wall before the boss though, everything is reflectable
true
lusty grotto
and you still have AM resets
craggy pilot
but lets say i use both Wall Charges on 2nd boss 🤔
craggy pilot
and you still have AM resets
oh ye AM still reduces, i forgot lol
lusty grotto
yeah it should always be up
craggy pilot
so i can use charge before 1st boss, 1 charge before 2nd boss
both charges on 2nd boss
both charges on 3rd
strong forum
like can i get 2x Shield Wall during Jade phase if i spam the shit out of SS?
you can get it twice if the boss casts 4-5 times in p2
you dont care about p1
lusty grotto
indeed but that's some bad dps if it happens
plush tendon
you can get it twice if the boss casts 4-5 times in p2
Whats your CD rotation for Temple boss; assuming somewhere between 5-6 casts?
craggy pilot
4 times is normal isnt it?
plush tendon
curious cause ive been under the assumption double wall was the play... but that was months ago
strong forum
1st SW + demo + SR + IV
2nd spell block
3rd spell block + sr + IV
4th LS + demo + pot
5th SW + rest
you can change up IV and SR usage
plush tendon
is spellblock enough by itself?
lusty grotto
yes
strong forum
for the hit, absolutely
lusty grotto
spell block is giga good especially with a good shield
strong forum
thats just 1 example on how to spread out SR and IV
you can only get them every other kick
craggy pilot
does spellblock last for 2 hits?
plush tendon
sounds good; then depending on what healer you have you can add their stuff in yea?
strong forum
spellblock lasts for 2 hits if you use it just before the hit
craggy pilot
oh
craggy pilot
5th just pop a CR
strong forum
with lust should be possible
craggy pilot
why not 🤣
strong forum
i mean
if you have a paladin, evoker or rdruid healer
they have a 1min external aswell
shaman only rly has ascendancy or a stacked high tide/cloudburst
lusty grotto
and cocoon helps as well kind of
plush tendon
that looks pretty good
strong forum
just plan out your CDs
plush tendon
glad to get rid of double wall also
strong forum
and youll be fine
plush tendon
twin comet
I just had to look up what spell block was. I hit 2500 last week and never changed a talent from the pins.
plush tendon
I really need to learn healer buttons more
Im just so unlearned about what healers can do and what they cant do
strong forum
spellblock is by no means required in any keys to get KSH
but i greatly recommend it in AV and Temple
in SMBG its only useful until first boss
in hov its only useful for hyrja
prisma crane
It's nice in RLP if kicks are shit
twin comet
I'll check the talents when I get home.
On the 3rd boss in temple you can spell reflect the fire kick can't you? I've never had it hit me
plush tendon
RLP its nice for first boss and that first area
twin comet
I victory rush the second, shield wall the third, and last stand/victory rush the 4th
plush tendon
lets you pull pretty big with no concern
and its a super powerful CD for first boss
strong forum
fire kick you can reflect