protection

[plush tendon]

you got plenty of time

theyll probably throw on a couple of more nerfs in the coming weeks

[undone verge]

True

Honestly the only thing they need to nerf is p1, since all of our issues are people dying in that phase

And maybe breath speed in intermission, but that is barely an issue

[uneven mason]

I mean, sounds like execution issues not a tuning issue

[undone verge]

Well yeah that’s the point, if they nerf it we don’t need as good execution

[urban portal]

play heroic

[undone verge]

Heroics on farm so that’s no fun

[sick sentinel]

How do you keep aggro with protection other than using shield block spike upgrade and challenging shout ? I keep losing aggro in dungeons on large groups

[strong forum]

dmg

do more damage

[jagged pier]

play correctly do dmg

[urban portal]

large groups can sometimes be hard

but roar+shield charge is enough to get snap aggro

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ZyMEPUAb4

late off topic response

but, yeah, nightmare is for crazy men (and women), the way i play doom is UV max kills/secrets/items (in that priority order too)

yeah so I'm just at the point where switching class is probably a better idea if I also need to add shield charge to my skill bar, I already have two skill bars full of abilities that I have to use so I assume the spec is just that hard to play then

[verbal wren]

Ummm, you're not going to be much better off on other tank specs

[jagged pier]

prots like the easiest tank spec now

its far easier than it has been for like 10 years

[fresh igloo]

huh? if you're using any spec to it's full potential you're gonna need like 2 or 3 action bars worth of buttons.

(or coming even close to it's full potential)

[sick sentinel]

I suck then

I wanted to tank but it's too hard

[torn gulch]

this is actually a pretty quick season, 5 months

[jagged pier]

they trying to snipe FF patch

for no reason

like hollow still cant kill first boss

[torn gulch]

i'm worried because ptr looks buggy 4 weeks before the patch

[jagged pier]

raid hasnt been tested

[torn gulch]

i expected mid may for them to still have space before diablo

[jagged pier]

i was expecting June tbh

made sense

to me

🤷

[torn gulch]

june is diablo 4 month

and de venn diagram between diablo and wow players is actually pretty big

they would've had to do the very end of june

expect pretty buggy first couple of weeks

[jagged pier]

fine by me

if they are happy ppl not playing game they can afford down time

[torn gulch]

10.0.7 march 10.1 may 10.1.5 july 10.1.7 september 10.2 november
they want to do something like this most likely

[sick sentinel]

the only real reason to do the new keys vault thing is to upgrade ring to 424 variants right

and like, achievements other tiny stuff

[uneven mason]

Prot has no trouble with aggro, even if you're just using shield slam thunder clap and revenge

Unless you're in fresh greens and you're in dungeons with raid geared folks

[sick sentinel]

heroic timewalking dungeons and heroics from dragonflight, I'm item level 344 average

[odd tree]

get an mmo mouse with 12 buttons, use macros. lots of ways to make it easier. Compared to other classes prot doesn't seem to have alot of keybinds.

well, except fire mage. if you don't use any of their utility spells you'll have like 8 buttons

[warm plinth]

Are you new to the game?

[strong forum]

Eh

[jagged pier]

eh

[sick sentinel]

FML i have to do siege dragonbane too

[strong forum]

If he's new he shouldn't feel the need to purchase smth for 80 bucks to enjoy it

[sick sentinel]

fighting some bear

keeps stunning me

[jagged pier]

THIS

[sick sentinel]

2 million hp

[strong forum]

Just need to get accustomed to how wow tanking is

[sick sentinel]

I have 2 days 18 hours of play on my character, I don't remember when I started, less than a month I guess

[warm plinth]

My mmo mouse was $35

[sick sentinel]

Do you use spell block on broodkeeper mythic

[jagged pier]

u can

not that worth it tbh

🤷

[sick sentinel]

wtf he's got some refuse to die shit i think it healed him i dndt interupted it

[strong forum]

Yeah you're ultra new, if you haven't already, check out the guides on icy veins or wowhead

They're linked the FAQ

If you don't find success with pwar you won't have an easier time on other classes given that our dmg output is the highest next to brew

And brew is alot harder

[odd tree]

you can get a mmo mouse for cheaper then $80, but i get what your saying

[strong forum]

Just try to learn your buttons, follow the rotation of shield slam > thunderclap > revenge

Rage generation is your highest priority

Also have the correct talent build!

That's super important

[mighty valley]

It's normal to be kinda overwhelmed for a while

[verbal wren]

If you've played that little just like... practice more... it'll start to feel way way way less overwhelming

[mighty valley]

At the kind of level you're at you can really just focus on your core abilities and work in everything else as you get comfortable

[verbal wren]

it's a huge cognitive load when it's all new, you basically have to just train your brain to automatically do the right things so you can focus on what you need to focus on

I see the red shield thing pop up and I just shield slam now, it's no conscious thought

[uneven mason]

Yup just practice, also occasionally in heroic dungeons you get some jackass who just massively out gears then and blows things up, like my monk alt had a 415 hunter who would just run ahead and melt things, no way to get aggro there

[sick sentinel]

someone did that earlier, pulled everything before I could reach

[strong forum]

Yeah that's normal from experienced players

Especially in timewalking

[uneven mason]

This isn't a gameplay thing on you, just people being impatient

[strong forum]

Timewalking is either a only 1 pack at a time or pull 18 packs at once

Cuz it's so weirdly balanced

[sick sentinel]

More like not at all lmao

[uneven mason]

Everything at once

[sick sentinel]

A true Warrior statement

[strong forum]

Well yeah, for me too, but if you're not the tank it's a bit uh, frustrating

[uneven mason]

I mean smbg in time walking almost one shot me

Literally harder than a +20

[sick sentinel]

Imagine not gigapulling

[prisma crane]

what was that recent 2 boss dungeon in TW? that shit was overtuned as well

[shrewd grove]

If you're the only one standing at the end of the pull, you could have pulled more

[prisma crane]

must have been a cata one because idk any of those

[misty moss]

how do warriors handle really high keys w/ unavoidable/undispellable magic dmg and the like? Just timing of Last stand and rallying cry?

[verbal wren]

which ones in particular?

[misty moss]

I can't personally think of instances where there are magic dmg hits that can't be avoided, aren't dispellable or interruptable, but for the sake of the question... spell reflect, last stand, and rally cry right?

[verbal wren]

spell block

[odd tree]

shield wall

demo shout

the worst tank busters are listed in one of the pins

with defensive rotations

[urban portal]

spell reflect>IP>demo shout>last stand

with VR on CD

[split ridge]

time to get silly

[sick sentinel]

EZ clap

[uneven mason]

End times? 3 bosses

[ebon geyser]

How you do fellow clappers

[gusty stone]

hi, i have a somewhat stupid question, is the onyx annualt worth using or should i stick to my 418, 421 seals with frostfire belt?

for m+

[warm plinth]

o/

[warm plinth]

You can sim it

[slim dove]

[gusty stone]

i was told the annualt simmings were scuffed and i shouldnt sim it XD

[ebon geyser]

What have I missed ? @ionic fern miss ya bud

Where's my bear at

[warm plinth]

There's like one stone that's scuffed and we don't use it anyway

[dusky canopy]

Warrior has alot of abilities but not so many frequently pressed abilities, best advice really is to spend some time playing around with keybinds that feel comfortable for your hands and then stick with them and practice.
When you decide to branch out and try other classes/specs try to stick with similar abilities on similar binds it will make multi classing easier in the future.
As stated above a mmo mouse is not required but I personally am a big fan of it I utilize 11 buttons on my mouse mostly for miscellaneous things it is nice qol but definitely not mandatory. Logitech has an mmo mouse for around 30usd I wouldn’t waste money on an expensive one unless you’re hard committed to this game

[uneven mason]

Short answer, it won't matter.

[ebon geyser]

11 button mouse I probably would fat finger like 7 of them

[slim dove]

Logitech g600 is great for big hands.

[warm plinth]

g600 ga

[slim dove]

Works for me and my orc hands

[warm plinth]

gang

[slim dove]

Trust me I have the biggest hands in this discord and that mouse is goated

[warm plinth]

tbh it's not even a big mouse

It's just well-designed

[dusky canopy]

Well fair I use the front 6 mostly and I have key 12 bound to extra action button and then I use scroll wheel and and two small button ms on the top for my mounts

[warm plinth]

Friend of mine tried to say it was too big for him and it actually ended up being a bit smaller than his

[strong forum]

regular mouse here

none of that weak "need buttons on mouse"

[dusky canopy]

Non mmo mouse wow gamers are wild

[slim dove]

I don't use any of my side buttons on war

[dusky canopy]

I could not comfortably add 6 binds to my left hand at all

[warm plinth]

The weird people to me are the rotation on mouse people

[dusky canopy]

Y’all crazy

[warm plinth]

LEFT HAND?

Oh never mind

[dusky canopy]

Bro you play with your right!?!?

[strong forum]

when they stream, you can see when they try hard, cuz the screen shakes

[warm plinth]

You had me on the attack. Thought you were one of those weird lefties that use their left hand on the mouse.

[slim dove]

Explains xaryu perfectly

[strong forum]

or bajheera

[dusky canopy]

For me mouse is mostly utility

[warm plinth]

Like I have an MMO mouse but I use the buttons for defensives and utility, not rotation

Not on war currently but like this is my hunter's mouse buttons

[dusky canopy]

Like my charge, SC, SR, and things I have to click to drop like ravager, leap

Are on my mouse

[mighty valley]

normal mouse gang

[dusky canopy]

I game with a guy who has spenders on freaking mouse wheel forward and backwards

[warm plinth]

mousewheel abilities are also weird to me

[strong forum]

ima blow brews mind real quick with my opener

shift2 -> X -> shift F -> shift E -> Shift 4 -> crtl3 -> e -> F -> shift C -> shift 4 -> 2

thats 5 seconds

[dusky canopy]

Wtf is that

BRO

I respect it

[warm plinth]

Enjoy carpal tunnel

[strong forum]

thats this opener

[dusky canopy]

That’s wild

[strong forum]

shift 2 is ravager before charge

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/harbleu-hands-unnatural-gif-18005754

[mighty valley]

i guess for me that would be

[dusky canopy]

Nom getting ready to game^

[green lotus]

Xbox controller is the most fun way to play for me

[mighty valley]

shiftV - W - ` - X - 3 - shiftW - shiftV - A - shiftC - 5 - 3

[warm plinth]

ey I think we have avatar on the same button 😂

[ebon geyser]

So many shifts

[strong forum]

yeah looks almost the same as mine

[dusky canopy]

Bro I’m trying to imagine doing noms keybind opener in 5 seconds

Mind blown guy

[strong forum]

thats council

[ebon geyser]

My opener starting in 1,2,3,4,e,x,c

[dusky canopy]

Not only that but it’s like shift on shift off

Back to back

[strong forum]

ya my pinky works alot

[ebon geyser]

And I still fucknit up lol

[strong forum]

wait rly?

thats your opener?

[ebon geyser]

Something like that, there's more though. I haven't play in a while

Since raid came out

[undone verge]

My opener is weird, I prepop avatar pot and shield charge, demo shout as I’m charging into ss sb tc ip stuff

[strong forum]

cuz that screams problems to me idk why

[ebon geyser]

Work unmotivated me

[strong forum]

like, switchting from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4

is all just 1 finger

[ebon geyser]

Charge is V , 1 is SS, E is SB

[strong forum]

ya okay

thats better

[ebon geyser]

3 is TC

Like that

[strong forum]

cuz underutilising other fingers is also a dps loss

if 1 finger does everything youre bound to be too slow in your rotation

[ebon geyser]

I can't do shift,alt etc. I'm not young anymore

[strong forum]

F

[ebon geyser]

I feel my speed is in diminishing returns

I have even considered trying other toons or go dps

Or quit

[dusky canopy]

F keys are mouse mines like:
F6
F1+shift1
1+4
6
F3
F2
2
And some 5s when needed that’s my ip

[strong forum]

yeah works

[dusky canopy]

I guess when I type it out that seems wild

But seems way smoother in my head than what y’all doing holy shit

[prisma crane]

i actually just hit my F keys

[dusky canopy]

Tbf that’s what I’m used to

[prisma crane]

F1-F4 anyways

[strong forum]

exactly why copying others binds just isnt a thing

everybodies binds just randomly grow

[dusky canopy]

Yeah same I started with maximum of like 8 binds back in the day and played at a much much lower level

[strong forum]

ye we all did

[dusky canopy]

Slowly added things over years as I got better and wanted to be efficient

[strong forum]

you have like 6 binds, then you branch out over the years and find new buttons and your hand just gets used to the motions

[dusky canopy]

Like adding shift was game changing I played with 1-7 for probably 2 years and clicked everything else

Lmao

[shrewd grove]

I literally have 1-5 bound and then QERTAFGZXCV with shift-modifiers on all

[dusky canopy]

Ope I need to kick well let me click my stance and then click my pummel

Lmao

Most of the time I missed the kicks btw

[mighty valley]

going beyond numbers was the real turning point for me, just unbinding all the menu stuff to use the entire left side of the keyboard

and then i became a ESDF sicko

[dusky canopy]

[shrewd grove]

I've considered it. Being able to bind A would be dope

[dusky canopy]

I use A and D ye I strafe with QE

[strong forum]

ive got S bound

back from when i played pvp

backpedalling isnt a thing in pvp so you have a free bind there

[dusky canopy]

I’ve thought about that but I like to back pedal sometimes

[mighty valley]

yeah i could get away with not having backpedal in pve but it just sounds annoying

[dusky canopy]

I use to play on this server where a hunter was known for his back pedaling but I can’t remember any of the specifics

[strong forum]

na its re-bound now

for tanking

but i still use shift S

[dusky canopy]

Hmm shift S

There’s a thought

[strong forum]

put a CD there

[dusky canopy]

Yee

[strong forum]

but

[dusky canopy]

That’s not a bad idea

[strong forum]

you can missclick it if you want to backpedal and do your rotation

[dusky canopy]

Oh word

[strong forum]

for me its shield charge however

[dusky canopy]

That’ll be me xD

Idk why that auto corrected X d to dad wtf

I better just not do that

It’s definitely a good option though

Never considered that

[uneven mason]

Yeah as a shield tank

Backpedaling sometimes is a thing

Because getting clapped in the back by these mobs with scuffed hitbox dances

[strong forum]

yeah other tanks dont care nearly as much

with their positioning

[shrewd grove]

I feel like most do. Pallies care, DKs care, BrM cares

Bear maybe doesn't?

Can't parry or dodge with your back turned either, so

[sick sentinel]

still a normally very low % chance to parry or dodge

i do enjoy the sound that holy shield makes when it goes off it combat a bunch of times

from like, tbc and before, not d2

[uneven mason]

Most of paladins defense is passive, they have block, but aren't block centric. Consecration has no shits given about facing

Same with BRM

Stagger is big luls

[sick sentinel]

thats one giga advantage paladin tank has over warrior

[shrewd grove]

That and being able to party heal lol

[sick sentinel]

shit out a constant aoe dps around u all the fuckin time

[odd tree]

was going to say, they have other advantages, lol

[sick sentinel]

don't see how that can me handy as tank

just press a button and your doin dps for like 15 seconds

i joke, its a bt more than that with judgements and uh shield of rightous's

[uneven mason]

Major offensive ability off GCD that increases armor...

Hmm

Oh it now heals the group too

[shrewd grove]

But shield slam is an OP button...

[dusky canopy]

Wait until they make your abilities drop Consecrate like ret

[sick sentinel]

maruuk rep box lets goooooooo

[odd tree]

sweeping strikes still on gcd

[uneven mason]

Half GCD

[shrewd grove]

Can't wait til next season, when Shield Slam turns into SotR for a few seconds after using Last Stand. You know, other than being off the GCD, and healing the group, and activating a bunch of passive talents

[odd tree]

still

[shrewd grove]

But other than that, basically the same thing

Here's my problem. I want to play pally, bc in concept they're sick af, and they're hella powerful

But they have no zug

[strong forum]

[oak echo]

"shield of the just kinda morally decent"

[dusky canopy]

So you’re saying our tier could improve

[strong forum]

kinda needs to

4pc is super weak

[shrewd grove]

2pc is hella

4pc kinda weak though

[strong forum]

like with the tierset, pwar is not gaining any dmg over current set

[shrewd grove]

Visually/conceptually it's dope. But that's it

[strong forum]

its literally the same shit but diff flavour

its better flavour offensively

[shrewd grove]

Yeah

[undone verge]

I like it. Last stand will be fun to press again

[dusky canopy]

I’m all for sending last stand on cd I’m used to that from SL but it definitely should be more impactful

[undone verge]

Nothing huge tho

[prisma crane]

i havent enjoyed using LS since they removed it from AM

i still think Pwar should get all the old AM stuff back

[shrewd grove]

Last Stand back on AM would be goated

[dusky canopy]

Agreed LS on AM would be nice

[prisma crane]

and DS

[dusky canopy]

BDK gets vb all the time so why does it matter if we get ls all the time

[prisma crane]

feeling like i have agency over my CDs is nice

[uneven mason]

Like the whole ls being a real button is a bfa thing where bolster legit made warriors playable, ended up being like 30% of our total SB uptime

Because without it we just stood there and got bitch slapped for 50% of the time

It was awkward AF, not pressing sb if you had another cd running because you were using the cd to cover gaps in sb

[daring marlin]

preach bro

shit's whack

[uneven mason]

Nah for demo we need to replace TL with deafening crash

[daring marlin]

need a BoM tier bonus

That'd be 🔥

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I wouldn’t want to go back to that personally

We’re definitely spoiled right now with how our block works

[uneven mason]

"spoiled" literally only tank that didn't have the capability to have 100% uptime on active mitigation

The amount of hate warriors got for being almost the best tank

[dusky canopy]

I honestly would like 100% block uptime to stay for good I’m just saying compared to previous iterations of our spec we are definitely spoiled

[uneven mason]

Yeah for sure compared to Legion bfa and sl launch, we're great

But seriously

[dusky canopy]

In a world where a tank can full heal with 1 button stagger all incoming damage etc

We should be able to have full block uptime

[uneven mason]

This is basically what happened

We didn't fall over the instant our healers blinked so obviously op

[dusky canopy]

Like literally every other tank as well

Except maybe bear

Well honestly

[uneven mason]

Bear got the treatment warriors usually get

[dusky canopy]

Brm is probably the worst at self sustain

[uneven mason]

That is being an afterthought

[uneven mason]

BRM sooo tanky rightnow

[dusky canopy]

Ironic because their tree came out first yeah?

Bear I mean

[timber terrace]

Warrior was op it had to take like 4 nerfs with the other tanks being buffed too for them to be on par

[uneven mason]

This is because the druid stuff was built in the shadowlands style of "fuck baseline classes we'll just slap some borrowed power to fix it"

[uneven mason]

Exceeept it wasn't

[timber terrace]

[uneven mason]

We got nerfed 4x and are considerably behind other tanks in some aspects, it's just that warriors are the simplest tank to play right now

And since most fotm rerollers had never actually played prot, the fact we could mitigate by 90% broke their little BDK and VDH brains

[verbal wren]

Seems like most people still think warrior is OP because keeping SB 100% is "too easy"

[uneven mason]

Paladin was overall in a better spot even at release, half the warrior nerfs had almost no real impact (defensive stance?)

[timber terrace]

Prot warrior isn't easier to play than Pala or blood dk

[warm plinth]

🤔

Depends on the level of keys you're doing I suppose.

Blood definitely has a higher skill requirement than we do in higher keys

[timber terrace]

And it was clearly stronger than prot Pala defensively at launch

[uneven mason]

You can press sb, hit w and roll through 20s, we legit have no real micromanaging to do

Yeah you can optimize for DPS but defensive warriors are just fucking bricks

[timber terrace]

Well that's just the spec being really limited in what it can do, and that got shifted a bit with spell block and impeding victory but that's basically warrior, a brick wall that can't do anything fancy

[uneven mason]

It only shows I higher keys when stuff starts to outscale the base mitigations we have, there is a reason why we have a pin about tjs and rlp, because lots of fotm just w through until they get to a key level and that ends them, so they've gotta actually press buttons

Because warriors are actually pretty weak vs those mechanics, compared

[verbal wren]

Yeah, that's the common criticism I see "you can survive with 3 brain cells on prot warrior" and it's mostly true, but eventually it's not, and then the toolkit is not the strongest

[uneven mason]

This isn't to say we weren't strong on xpac launch, but the nerfs not as high impact as folks think,

[smoky dock]

All tank classes have pins about dungeons like rlp and tjs 😑 all tanks have a hard time with them on tyr only a few can handle it slightly better.

[dusky canopy]

No matter what the Fotm specs get hate

We didn’t even need to be fotm it should of been pali this whole time

Everybody just cried about the AS change losing holy power

And looked past it

[timber terrace]

Prot warrior is just the tank that has the least agency over its survivability, so for damage you can't mitigate well like dots or sustained magic you'll rely on your healer while other tanks can selfheal

[verbal wren]

But you're also well equipped to hop into a 20 and beat a DPS on the meters, which is kinda fun

[dusky canopy]

[timber terrace]

But at the same time warrior can just facetank some stuff that seriously chunks other tanks

I wouldn't say it's a bad tank it's just frustrating if you want to be in control of your survival 100%

[uneven mason]

This is what I was referring to

People see bdk get slapped for 60% of their HP

And the same thing does 5% to a warrior

Well that bdk is literally going to press deathstike and be 100% instantly

[smoky dock]

Problem with bdk is having that split second to death strike before you get killed at 40% hps

[uneven mason]

While the warrior hits IP to refresh the mitigation and regains 4% health

[timber terrace]

You also don't have a get out of jail free card like dk with purg, ibf to dispell a stun, ams and death advance to ignore mechanics

[smoky dock]

running 20+ on bdk with cds in all on large pulls that would mean nothing for prot pally or warrior is brutal

[uneven mason]

That's why bdk has two death avoidance mechanics in place

[timber terrace]

Dk doesn't need inhumane reaction the swing timer in this game is pretty slow

[daring marlin]

lol what

[smoky dock]

Thats true but with massive pulls idk

[warm plinth]

How is that relevant when you have 5-10 mobs beating on you?

[uneven mason]

? Shit don't hurt until it does.

[timber terrace]

They're gonna be synced for the most part

[daring marlin]

"There is a reason we have a pin" tell us you only play Warrior without telling us you only play Warrior.

[timber terrace]

Dk is really immortal in keys unless you start doing really high keys that literally one tap you

[dusky canopy]

DK can live anything that doesn’t one shot it

[uneven mason]

I play all the tanks, I just play warrior the most

Bdk really shines in raid too

[arctic orbit]

Hello, I'm new! 🙂

I searched and came to this Discord because I haven't managed to find an answer to a specific question. For the ProtWar passive "Riposte", the tooltip says "Gain parry equal to 100% critical strike from your gear". My question pertains to the "FROM YOUR GEAR PART": does it truly apply in this restrictive sense? If I have another source of bonus crit, let's say the base warrior talents or a specific food item, does that not count towards increasing parry equal to the increase in crit strike from that "extra-gear" source. Has anyone tested this? I'm new and poor and haven't figured out a cheap way to test. 😛

[dusky canopy]

Yes

[timber terrace]

This raid was made for blood dk but even top guilds didn't realize that early, naowh got his dk geared the 2nd week in a rush

[uneven mason]

No, buff crit doesn't give parry rating only rating from gear

[smoky dock]

From what I have felt in 20+ keys with my bdk tyr is easy mode but large pulls on fort is very easy to one shot

[dusky canopy]

Huhh

When your Crit stat goes up so does parry?

[arctic orbit]

Thanks so much for the insta-answers, crazy how fast you can get an answer once you get a proper resource, much appreciated 🙏

[uneven mason]

Sorry misread

So % crit buffs don't give parry

But rating will (from food)

[arctic orbit]

Oo, wat

[uneven mason]

Like in AA you can get a 5% crit buff

[timber terrace]

Back in my days parry gave you crit 👴

[uneven mason]

That isn't 5% parry

[warm plinth]

Right

[uneven mason]

Haste, it gave haste on next as

[dusky canopy]

Enjoy warrior discord, can’t exactly say the same for others except rogue, rogue owns too

[timber terrace]

Parry haste has always been a thing but in mop parry and dodge score gave you crit

[dusky canopy]

You can pop in here and talk wow pretty much 24/7

This is like the cool warrior hangout

[uneven mason]

I used to like the guardian discord, but they spent most of df launch bitching about warriors and would have a fit if I pointed out that paladin was a better overall tank

[arctic orbit]

So if I understand correctly, "FROM YOUR GEAR" means that the game looks at your crit rating and converts from there, even though some sources of crit come from other places than gear, like food? What are other sources of crit rating besides food?

[verbal wren]

You could use a crit rune on your weapon, but haste is better

[uneven mason]

Idk tbh I haven't looked much, but it converts the rating, Nom would know, he is afterall parrygod

[dusky canopy]

Like I said

Your Crit % goes up

So does your parry

Don’t worry about it after that

[arctic orbit]

Yeah, I've seen that haste is preferred and I agree with the rationale, but let's say I have a unreasonably strong hard-on for parries

[warm plinth]

Food rating works. Any source that gives rating will work. % gains like the AA buff will not.

[arctic orbit]

Sounds good, ty again all ❤️

[dusky canopy]

I’m surprised this is the case?

[uneven mason]

#protection message

This is for you

Stacking crit since 8.0

[dusky canopy]

Bro idk how you jumped back 3 years

[uneven mason]

Lotsa memories in the skyhold

[warm plinth]

Actually looks like food shouldn't work either.

[dusky canopy]

I’m ignorant to the search function on discord

I’m sure it’s simple

Can you do keywords when searching?

[timber terrace]

I was gemming and reforging crit in 5.4 already

[uneven mason]

Yeah

But the crit crew has been around forever

Was just highlighting that

[timber terrace]

Well at the time you had vengeance

[uneven mason]

Yup

[dusky canopy]

This kinda makes sense considering the wordage maybe they don’t want 100% parry chance

[uneven mason]

SoO , pwar single tank on garrosh

[timber terrace]

Tanks just showing dps how pathetic they were

[dusky canopy]

coughs BDK

[uneven mason]

Why hobble yourself that way

That was before I really started running all the tanks

[prisma crane]

if i had to guess, it's probably just crit from crit stat as opposed to just flat % boosts like the AA buff

but stuff like runes and food should work

[uneven mason]

Gonna go get some critbfood and check

Soon as I'm done with work

[prisma crane]

so like our bstance wont give us 3% parry either

because it's a flat % to crit instead of rating

[warm plinth]

Rune works, as does food.

Just tested

so yeah I think it's just any rating source

[arctic orbit]

Kinda hard to read, what are A, R and M?

[sick sentinel]

i like rune for weapon

as ypou dont need totarget the weapon and its haste

[warm plinth]

Absorbed, Raw, Mitigated. R is U now in current logs I believe.

For Unmitigated

[arctic orbit]

So for parry, some of that is negated, but some of it not, and this is prolly because it has a component of magic dmg or something other than physical/auto-attack?

[royal rune]

is it likely that protpal will stay meta for 10.1?

[uneven mason]

Yes

It's assured

[royal rune]

ok c u guys

[arctic orbit]

MVP for testing right away, @ respect and hats off; settles definitively

[uneven mason]

Spread the word, PWAR IS NOT META, long live the pp

[novel temple]

Sounds like we need to bring vengeance back

And not the spec

[uneven mason]

The rerollers can try and get questions answered between the protadins calling eachother weebs over their anime pfps

[timber terrace]

Actually hard to say what will be the tanking meta next tier

In raids

[uneven mason]

Bdk pal

[warm plinth]

If it's parried it will just say parry

Parry completely prevents the hit

[timber terrace]

I'd bet on dk tho I'm unsure beetween pal and brew

[scenic mural]

ppal not likely for raid

id say brew as well

[strong forum]

Bdk and brew

[timber terrace]

I think prot pala is really strong in raids too now they have sentinel but the mobility can be an issue

[strong forum]

Brew does really good dmg next patch

Their tierset is pretty nutty

[timber terrace]

Not really they removed blackout strike from it

They have a broken trinket tho

That gives you like 6k agility for 25 seconds at pull

When I have something like 6800 agi on my 418 brew

Also the brackenhide absorb trinket is insane for brew

[nocturne spindle]

does brew have good mobility?

ive tried all the other tanks except DK cause i know they slow AF

but they all just feel too slow compared to war

want to have a fun alt

[uneven mason]

As long as you don't roll off cliffs

[dusky canopy]

Pp strong sensei

Brew and vdh have great movement

[pallid quiver]

I'm getting hit by the shrapnel on this one

[pallid quiver]

They've got two rolls and Tiger move speed buff extremely easily in their tree, iirc, plus transcendence to tele somewhere, so they've got slightly good mobility

[daring marlin]

10.1 waiting room 🍿

[tropic gorge]

Good good. Pwar dropping from fotm isn't a bad thing. Means all the rerollers will bail for the next chance at "easy power"

[pallid quiver]

They've already by and large left

[tropic gorge]

A class getting fotm status isn't exactly bad, or negative. But it brings tons of attention to the class and that can cause problems, and wildly bad takes

[pallid quiver]

Those types just sit on Twitter or something like 95% of the time so they can get the slightest whiff of how to play the game "proper"

All we see from them now is "YO PROT BOT TIER??!!? THAT TRUE GUYS THAT YOU SUCK????"

[tropic gorge]

I like the line "this streamer I like said this so you have to do it like that"

Nah bro. I don't think I do

[timber terrace]

The problem I have with the new warrior tier set is it will push warrior even more ahead of other tanks on single target and lead to new nerfs

[hardy snow]

the problem with this tier is it makes LS an offensive CD that starts working after buff goes off

annoying to line up, especially for opener

[tropic gorge]

Last stand usage is gonna be weird at the start

I'm glad a button is getting a use lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah I really wish it didn't happen after the buff

So awkward

[timber terrace]

I've been playing bolster and itf for a while and sending last stand on cd for shield block uptime anyway

The play is probably to delay last stand really slightly at pull so it lines up with your 2nd avatar

[warm plinth]

I highly doubt you're going to hold anything. It's not enough damage to be remotely worth holding for anything

[pallid quiver]

You also have that double SS damage while LS is up unless they've changed it since I saw it

[warm plinth]

well, double the bonus, yeah

[uneven mason]

We don't hold CDs

we sent it

big send

[timber terrace]

Would be dumb to have your empowered effect outside of avatar just because you don't want to delay

That's a few seconds, 5-8 should be good

[warm plinth]

You don't hold Avatar for revenge do you?

[timber terrace]

You can't compare a 35 seconds cd to a 1.5+ minutes cd the opportunity cost of delaying isn't the same

You could also last stand before the pull to have everything overlap

Or cancelaura if it works somehow

[warm plinth]

Except then you're wasting the bonus shield slam damage, which is a lot more relevant than the essentially free revenge-level damage that you get from the shockwaves

[timber terrace]

Is shield slam empowered during last stand? Thought it was part of the after effect

[warm plinth]

And it's not just about the delay because the longer you aren't using Last Stand, the longer you're not reducing the CD of Last Stand

So it has a bigger impact than it appears on the surface.

[timber terrace]

I just remembered the 30% shield slam to be the after effect then ofc you don't delay

[daring marlin]

Has anyone gotten a bottled essence from zskera vaults?

Just curious

[warm plinth]

Nope, though I would imagine you can't get one from there, since it's supposed to be from group content only

[daring marlin]

That makes sense I suppose.

[sick sentinel]

no longer have a failed beside RLP

30 more for 2200

[prisma crane]

hey congrats!

[warm plinth]

Good job yogi

[tropic gorge]

grats man

[white prawn]

Good job my man ❤️👍

[scenic mural]

didnt they buff it to 1 sec?

[hardy snow]

they did, pretty quick

[warm plinth]

Yes, but nothing else changed and that was the easier screenshot to find.

[misty moss]

Hey guys, Allied Wristguard of Companionship or 50% potion duration as embellishment?

[dusky canopy]

ehh id do neck and belt persoanlly

if youre stuck on those

wrists is pretty good for arms also

[misty moss]

Thought wrist is better than belt

[warm plinth]

Wrists are good. Belt is better if you have/might get raid rings

[dusky canopy]

potions is ehh you have to use potion on cd

to get full value

[sick sentinel]

if you mean the trinket, thats not an embellishment

but its not the best trinket either

[warm plinth]

There's an embellishment that increases potion duration

Potion Absorption Inhibitor

[sick sentinel]

i don't know if i'd use that either

[warm plinth]

You wouldn't

[sick sentinel]

i saw it but it seems very inconsequential to me

[misty moss]

Looking like between belt and wrist the wrist speaking to me

ty all

[dusky canopy]

ggs

[sick sentinel]

hard to go wrong with FRENS bracers

for keys n shit

[misty moss]

Yeah and this is a fresh war. I could get diurna ring next week or not at all

w/ s2 coming out I'll just take the stat stick bracer

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[sick sentinel]

if i had more 70s

i would have spent all week doing TW for free transmog

[dusky canopy]

watch this guy loot eggnog ring tomorrow

[warm plinth]

Friendly reminder that you now have 5 weeks to get the weapon/shield mogs from HoV/CoS

[dusky canopy]

that thatd be funny

[warm plinth]

Before they're gone until next time we have them for M+

[sick sentinel]

what, cant u just farm them from normal mythic

err well, once a week i suppose

[dusky canopy]

shoot im going to have to do alot of HoV for the shield appearance

[warm plinth]

No, they don't drop outside of M+

[sick sentinel]

also wtf u mean shield mog from cos

[warm plinth]

Mythic would just drop the relics instead

[dusky canopy]

only missing shield from HoV and helm from CoS

[sick sentinel]

i see a purple sword

[warm plinth]

I said shield/weapon from HoV and CoS

referring to both mogs

Shield is from HoV, weapon is from CoS

[dusky canopy]

yogi he means HoV/Shield and Cos/Wep

[sick sentinel]

i wouldn't use that weapon mog personally

[warm plinth]

The rest of the mogs will still be available. Just not the weapon/shield

[dusky canopy]

this man types at light speed

[warm plinth]

I'm fast as fuck boi

[sick sentinel]

so what ur saying is i should spam run a bunch of 2 cos's till i get the swortd

[warm plinth]

If you want it, yes

Otherwise you're waiting a long time

[sick sentinel]

cuz, i got like, pretty much everything else out of that place

[dusky canopy]

ye def worth farming if you care about collecting

[warm plinth]

There is a similar sword on the Legion TW vendor but it's not the same color

[dusky canopy]

odds are HoV M+ will never happen again

[warm plinth]

I still need to get the CoS weapon as well

[dusky canopy]

unless they do some special event where they re use all the legacy dungeons at once

[ruby locust]

what gems should i be putting in my oynx ring i just capped my warrior sorry for the probably asked alot question!

[sick sentinel]

im missing boots and sword

[warm plinth]

Yeah it'll be a couple expansions until we get it again I'd imagine

Boots will still be available

You can farm everything but the weapon/shield from normal if you wanted to

But below M+, the weapon/shield are replaced with the relics that they're based on

e.g. outside of M+, this drops instead of the shield

[sick sentinel]

yogi always 1 step ahead

[dusky canopy]

[daring marlin]

lol

[ruby locust]

damn that ugly

[sick sentinel]

paladin shield almost really

big and round and yellow and stuff

[dusky canopy]

kinda sick for dwarf i bet

if youre going with light theme

[warm plinth]

I was just gonna say i bet it probably matches their heritage armor

Or pretty close

There's not a lot of great weapons/shields for their heritage sadly

[sick sentinel]

i went ahead and bought the remaining race changes for last 4 races i needed for heritage purposees

4 in total 2 of them i have to figure out how to get faction from starting to friendly or whatever is needed for tabard bot farm

[warm plinth]

idk what do you think

I'm colorblind but it looks okay to me

[dusky canopy]

yoo

actually pretty pog

accent colors are a bit different shield is lighter than armor

[warm plinth]

Looks better than what I'm currently using with the heritage

[dusky canopy]

but golds match perfectly

[warm plinth]

I'm using uh

[sick sentinel]

for a while, all of my war resource points DF were going exclusively into shield mogs from vendors

[warm plinth]

this

[dusky canopy]

ghash

use the HOV

that is super pog

[warm plinth]

I had nothing to do with this btw

[sick sentinel]

still is, but, i got 70k of plate transmog and mounts n shit to get through first

[warm plinth]

I read on reddit that it matched

The sword I have is not terrible though

[dusky canopy]

nah take creddit

[hard vine]

hey peepz how do i trigger the 2nd heroic leap? or i mean how can i do it to have 2 charges?

[dusky canopy]

you dont

[warm plinth]

this is the sword I'm using

[sick sentinel]

I wouldn't mind a contract that gives +10% more war resources (no not war mode)

[dusky canopy]

man i had the warmode response lined up

[warm plinth]

That's not a thing sir

[sick sentinel]

someone scroll man makes it, you use it, 7 days, 10% more war resources from all WQ

[dusky canopy]

swords pretty good

cant think of anything better off the top of my head

maybe the dirt piles flail

have yet to get that btw

damn piles of dirt

[misty moss]

made this war yesterday and just hit 390, no risk of me looting an eggnog worth running yet

[dusky canopy]

!!!

[warm plinth]

Yeah someone recommended a mace or some shit off a WoD boss iirc. Haven't looked at it yet to see if it's good though

[misty moss]

Maybe this upcoming week

lol

[hard vine]

sometimes on mid fight i get a 2nd heroic leap charge, but i cant quite get how do i do it

[humble fractal]

It’s the envoker cool-down that triggers a second leap of yours is off CD

[dusky canopy]

Evoker

[hard vine]

oh

[dusky canopy]

they give movement ability CDR

[hard vine]

thank u guyz

[dusky canopy]

ggs

[sick sentinel]

thems the keys i did, 17 was just now

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's evoker. Not warrior. Like 2 min CD

[sick sentinel]

eovker is really strong

[warm plinth]

hm yeah, the mace they're recommending doesn't look that great to me

[dusky canopy]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=202692/gnoll-fiend-flail#comments

[frigid socket]

Allied Wristguards or Brez Bracers?

[warm plinth]

I would rather wipe than try to engi brez as a tank

[misty moss]

I just made this decision earlier and went Allied Wristgaurds

[lilac bloom]

whats the the talent tree for prot warriors on mythic +

something happend to mine and i lost it

[warm plinth]

It's in the pins

[daring marlin]

damn bro

22 RLP seemed fine til Kokia

Just me and the Fury Warrior to finish the boss. Went into last boss with 6 mins still.

[warm plinth]

I read Nokia there and I'm not mad

[daring marlin]

didn't end well rofl

[warm plinth]

I watched some dudes drop a nokia phone off a 165m dam and it survived. All that happened is the battery cover popped off

[daring marlin]

mfs will be all that's left after nuclear annihilation

and the cockroaches

[warm plinth]

seriously

[daring marlin]

cockroaches talking to eachother on nokia phones

[warm plinth]

That's 541 in freedom units

[daring marlin]

[warm plinth]

541 ft*

[errant oriole]

is the new raid really mostly physical dmg?

someone told me that I just wanted to confirm lol

[warm plinth]

I don't think so? I thought people had been saying they were getting fucked up on prot in the new raid.

[errant oriole]

oh cause of all the magic and dots I am assuming?

[warm plinth]

That's what I'm guessing. We don't really care about physical damage but magic, if it's consistent and dangerous enough, is not good

[pallid quiver]

or they're just not pressing shield block and are saying it because prot bottom tier

[warm plinth]

Pwar is deadge

[restive crown]

do we have to single pull packs with high hp mob in bolstering weeks? (hov drake, aa riftbreath drakes)

[patent gorge]

Cleave off highest health add

[restive crown]

so just pull normally and hope dps will single target more and kill them tgt?

[patent gorge]

I tend to run with a more organized group in discord but usually if I’m going for say a big pull. I’ll just mention , hey cleave off dragon please.

For your example

[restive crown]

haha okok

noted

[patent gorge]

If you want to play it safe then you can do 2 seperate pulls. It’s not the end of the world

[modern flume]

Hi guys! what is better for lariat as prot? haste/crit or haste/versa?

[warm plinth]

Doesn't matter really. I prefer haste crit, as do a lot of folks in here.

[smoky flame]

Question…does lariat proc any gem you have socketed or just the gems that are socketed to the lariat

[warm plinth]

Any gem

except main stat gem

[smoky flame]

Thank you kindly 🙏

Im averaging like 40-45k overall dps in m+ & just trying to figure out how i can boost that up a lil besides mastering my rotation

[elder crag]

Hey guys, just tried a +20 temple and I kept fucking up on the 3rd boss. I tried planning cd's but I couldn't stay up. Could anyone look at my log and tell me where I can improve?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kDxgRhrHJ9pmBzFC/#fight=last&type=summary

[pallid quiver]

Your overall casts are in an interesting spot; for one, you only cast Demo Shout 29 times, while Shield Charge you casted 43 times

You still could have cast even more Shield Charge than that, even

[elder crag]

I try to save cd for second phase

Are you saying just send it all the time?

[pallid quiver]

The notable thing is that they share a CD, so they should have at least remotely close casts, even if you're holding. And that being said, still don't hold it unless you desperately need to

Since it gives rage and just naturally saves you damage intake

I'm also looking at the entire dungeon at the moment

[elder crag]

Ok

Thank you!

[pallid quiver]

On top of that, you're going to want to revisit your rotation muscle memory;

Your CPM is a little low, even considering the deaths, and you managed to cast Revenge more than Shield Slam, which should be your most pressed button.

Your survival is likely suffering due to your rage economy struggling from things like missing Shield Slam resets, as a result, giving you less rage to spend for Shield Wall CD reduction, Avatar for rage, Indom healing, and just IPs in general

On top of that, you wasted 300 or so rage of the 8500 you generated with SS in particular, which is a little rough, especially with your rage gen struggling a bit as it is

[elder crag]

So less revenge, more SS. IP before I cap on rage

[pallid quiver]

It also appears you only pressed Defensive Stance once; I didn't check to see if you just stayed in it for the entire fight or not, but you should probably dip into Defensive for every Jade Serpent Strike

Yeah, SS > TC > Revenge is your go to priority

[elder crag]

I remembered I have def stance and used it just during P2 entirely

[elder crag]

Copy

I need to macro it I just haven't had this much trouble with a boss to warrant it

[pallid quiver]

If any of those pop up, it'll take precedence. IP to avoid capping around 60-100 rage or so

You should generally get into the habit of dancing into Def Stance to deal with tank busters. Especially for some of the scarier ones, it's very helpful to not die

[warm plinth]

Macro what

[pallid quiver]

Examples like Searing Blows from RLP 2nd boss, Crawth Peck, etc

[elder crag]

Def and bs into one button

[warm plinth]

Oh

I mean, honestly until you learn the fight, you're better off just staying in defensive stance for the entire phase instead of trying to dance

[elder crag]

Ughhhh you just helped me realize how much better I can be overall

[pallid quiver]

You also only pressed Shield Wall 9 times the entire dungeon; it should be around a 1 min to 1.5 min CD, so throughout the entire dungeon, you can get a lot more use out of that

[warm plinth]

So this is your first pull of Liu. Demo was used well before the mechanic (on fights like that, you're better off saving demo to use against the mechanic, not just for DPS like you normally would). You overused survival here, and you still died. This tells me that the healer was not properly prepared for the mechanic

You had wall up and you used impending and healthstone after. He should've had no problem at all getting that absorb off

But on the next one (where you actually died), you had nothing but spell block

You dumped a bunch of rage into revenge right before it, which means you literally just had mitigation for the first hit

Spell Block does not work on the DoT portion of the mechanic. So you would've wanted to have spell reflect and some IP stacked up for it

[elder crag]

It would be better to slow down damage and focus on survivability. Fuck me I thought the SB spreadsheet said it was blockable.

[warm plinth]

The initial hit is blockable

[elder crag]

I'll use SW more. I always figured it was another big oh shit button

[warm plinth]

No DoT in the game is blockable for us

[elder crag]

Ahhh ok

[warm plinth]

Which it's still good to use spell block there

Because the initial hit does hit pretty hard

But like...the evoker was doing jack shit

The onlly heals that went out on you for the 2nd flame strike was reversion and your desirous blood stone

You are literally the only healing he has to do on that fight

Tell him to wake up XD

[pallid quiver]

Also, damage focus is survivability; you appear to just be forcing too many revenge casts out, costing you IP and the other bits I mentioned above

[elder crag]

I thought I knew the fight well. The priest told me I could stand in the green circle for the strike. That is not a thing to do

[pallid quiver]

bold of you to assume your average pug DPS can dodge the waves

[elder crag]

Yeah I do find myself rage starved

[pallid quiver]

never listen to ranged dps smh, they don't know shit about positioning

[warm plinth]

lol yeah no.

[elder crag]

Lol D:

[warm plinth]

the 1.1 million damage you took on one of the pulls determines that was a lie

😂

[elder crag]

Lmaoooo

Yeah I was thinking what am I doing

[warm plinth]

So that's just one pull though. I am finishing up at work so I can look at the rest in a little while. But it's not looking promising for the healer. It's no wonder you were panicked lol

[elder crag]

So I'm not terrible?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, there's things you can work on, but overall, for a 20, you should have been fine-ish with a healer doing it right

[warm plinth]

Nah I'm sure you have things you could work on (like making sure to stack some IP instead of dumping on revenge before the mechanic)

[elder crag]

And thank you both for helping me

[warm plinth]

But the healer was not doing his job on that first pull 100%

[limpid anchor]

@elder crag your talents seem wrong for it. I heared barbaric helps against that boss

[pallid quiver]

There's people who've swung in here doing worse who've cleared higher

[warm plinth]

Ham I will fight you

[limpid anchor]

You are not barbaric enough

[warm plinth]

fuck you got me there

[elder crag]

@warm plinth when you have time I am all ears

[jagged pier]

just so u know even sarcastic comments can be a mutable offence because not all ppl know your trolling

[limpid anchor]

Yea but I knew that barb is gonna say something, making it an obvious troll :)

[jagged pier]

ghash has been and is a very goodboy yes

[warm plinth]

👀 lol! What a coincidence.

[pallid quiver]

anytime something levels a breath at me

[warm plinth]

they definitely aren't talking about you btw, this person plays hpal lol.

[elder crag]

Lmao I didn't stand in the breath!!

[pallid quiver]

i always step an inch to the side

[warm plinth]

Just thought it was funny

[pallid quiver]

just to see if it tracks me

[warm plinth]

same though

[pallid quiver]

if it doesn't track me, as the tank,

[jagged pier]

Im not gunna lie i stand in the breath because im lazy and i know its not going to kill me

[pallid quiver]

i shouldn't get hit by that

[warm plinth]

I did an HoV earlier on my hunter, and I think the prot warrior decided to use that logic on the ragnarok shield

[elder crag]

Blood pressure shot up

[warm plinth]

Because he turned sideways right before the last tick

And I died 😂

[jagged pier]

huge

[pallid quiver]

I think he was actually saving you from the sin of playing a hunter

he had to euthanize you

[warm plinth]

probably tbh

[jagged pier]

btw lurks that read this channel I dont know who u are but like 99% of the prots i see in the open world or in keys are in d stance

STOP that

ill start bonking

[warm plinth]

But BM is so chill

I get to DPS and nap

[jagged pier]

huge

[cerulean tusk]

I like dstance. Makes me feel safe

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[warm plinth]

I press dstance on like...3 bosses

Crawth, TJS 3rd boss during p2, and I already forgot the last one

[pallid quiver]

Hyrja Beam, Crawth Peck, Searing Blows, Temple Strike

[warm plinth]

Hyrja, that's what I was thinking of

[pallid quiver]

those are the main times i intend to use it

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah I suppose it's probably good to press on RLP 2nd boss

[pallid quiver]

There are other times I use it that I would prefer not to

[warm plinth]

But like

Just parry 4Head

[pallid quiver]

but i'd need the healer to press their buttons for that to happen

unfortunately, even though crit is my highest stat

i simply don't parry it ;-;

[cerulean tusk]

I just deathstrike

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[cerulean tusk]

[sick sentinel]

as protection should I prioritize a higher ilvl shield or sword ?

[mental scarab]

Shield

Always

[smoky flame]

So it seems i keep getting destroyed on the last trash pull in jade..even though the +20 went well and we timed it we still struggled on this part, im just wondering what the right strat is here

[ionic fern]

As with literally anything else.

Plan your CD's.

Don't overlap them.

Profit.

[jagged pier]

could have guessed that response

cant wait for dps mwahi to yellat me next season when i dont do that

[ionic fern]

Next season isn't Jade.

So you're safe.

Should probably read up what dungeons are in next season tbh.

[jagged pier]

bracken as far as i know u still cant kill the first boss

[smoky flame]

Is dark claws avoidable damage?

[jagged pier]

SR it for damage

[ionic fern]

If you stun it, it is.

[ionic fern]

No idea what that is.

[jagged pier]

the gnoll dungeon in DF one of the half of the dungeons we dont have active atm

the first boss cc's a dps healer and tank

at the same time

and the boss just 1 shots a dps

[ionic fern]

[zenith sky]

I think it was possible to spell reflect the cast to not get blinded. Tried it once or twice on PTR.

[jagged pier]

dont think so

[zenith sky]

The spell in question would be decayed senses, right?

It's instant, but on a timer. I'm pretty sure I used SR to not get blinded, but I could be wrong.

[hardy snow]

I wouldnt worry about dungeons being overpowered right now. They will be tuning and nerfing these dungs every week until the end of June at least.

[jagged pier]

oh yer lets allow bliz to not tune properly before the patch

and be fine with the fact they can release content thats not finished

the brackenhollow thing has been on PTR for weeks and as far as I know they still havent fixed it

so ppl cant even test the rest of the dungeon

but not the patch is only a month away

[pallid quiver]

it's simple; it's just working as intended 🙂

[torn gulch]

ptr looks pretty bad tbh the new zone events are barely working atm

with 1 month to go

[hardy snow]

they already did that, and are doing it again

we get used to receiving unfinished content thats fixed after release, or we unsub, there is no other option unfortunately

business is business

[torn gulch]

oh yeah i expect them to repair bugs first 2 months of the patch

[torn gulch]

i want to test ways to do rep with the new faction and almost none of the events work

1 month to the patch

[limpid anchor]

They got so much feedback during beta and we still got overtuned dungeons

They choose to be shit

[hardy snow]

if customer pays company same money for a good product and for cheap shit, company will make cheap shit instead, its just business

[limpid anchor]

That’s why wow lost so many subs

Good business indeed

[sick sentinel]

what does the block value on shields represent ? The amount of damage the shield can block when blocking or does that just increase the % of damage you block ?

[strong forum]

Both the things you named are the same, but the answer is yes

Block in wow is % dmg reduction, the only way to increase that block value is by getting a higher ilvl shield

Block value = how much dmg you block
Block chance = how often you block

Shield block grants you 100% block chance so you don't need to worry about that part

[hardy snow]

not only, we have also some talents that increase it 🙂

[still crater]

what ilvl do yall recommend for a 19? Cuz I was fine on 18 but for some reason I walked into sbg taking 120-180k off first bosses melee

[hardy snow]

did you use SR when she gets Deathspike?

[still crater]

fuck

[strong forum]

which are picked 100% of the time

so like, no you cant influence it

[sick sentinel]

probably around 400 to 405 minimum, more power you can gst the better really

thats my assumption

[amber siren]

if you can do a 18, you can do a 19

you just missed a cd it sounds like

[still crater]

that's wild, because I"m 412. But jawor called it. I checked back at the log and it wasn't melee that was hurting so much. I just didn't block deathspike

not sure why i never noticed it before

[sick sentinel]

its more a bout correct gams play than anything else first

technically, a 390 warriorcould tank a 20

[still crater]

[sick sentinel]

you might not want 390 warrior inur 20 buthecould do it no problem he plays very well

[fresh igloo]

Because it basically just doesn't do noticeable damage until you get close to 20 tyr range, and then suddenly it starts mattering lol

[torn gulch]

or a warrior with only weapon and shield can tank it

at 220 ilvl

or something like that

[amber siren]

that's only been on CoS, and that's just because CoS has no tank busters

[still crater]

That's fair. Better scaling pls so I can learn this before i'm blowing my best key on it ;-;

[torn gulch]

i have a feeling naowh can do that on sbg as well

depends

[hardy snow]

thats the issue of alot of mechanics on bosses, you dont notice it at start, but when you do, you are not prepared™

[fresh igloo]

I found that every time you bump up a new key level from 16-20,you learn a new mechanic that didn't matter at the previous level

[sick sentinel]

i still hate cos and the higheat tyranical cos i did all season was +11 on voice with realid friends at the time

if i van get 2200 with ever ru another cos i will

[still crater]

Facts. Happened to me on crawth, when I learned after a break that barbaric training is a dumb ass idea 😭

[torn gulch]

if you hate cos you'll hate next season
i can already think of a couple dungeons encounters infinitely worse

[sick sentinel]

that 16 rlp i ran mostly saved due to i had to gwt brezed on 2nd and final boss

[still crater]

I don't really understand why the scaling jump sso hard at the end. It seemed mostly progressive until 16 and then shit just skyrockets

[torn gulch]

underrot second boss, brackenhide first boss, uldaman last boss

[fresh igloo]

Check the pinned doc for blockable/reflectable abilities, that will give you some heads up on stuff to watch out for as well.

[sick sentinel]

no

underrot 3rd boss

[amber siren]

welcome to the fun game of exponential scaling

[fresh igloo]

It's intentional, they juiced up the scaling for m+

[torn gulch]

that's very similar to azure first boss
not that bad

[still crater]

I actually got a wa for it, but for some reason it doesn't trigger on deathspike even though it does every other ability in the dungeon

[fresh igloo]

You're supposed to learn and progress up the ranks

[sick sentinel]

i am way more afraid of 3rd boss

[torn gulch]

when i went from 15 to 20 keys i went 15 16 17 18 19 20

[sick sentinel]

2nd boss is an idiot check

[amber siren]

she doesn't cast it, it's a buff on herself. you'll need to check her buffs or run an addon that does.

[torn gulch]

got used to it step by step

[fresh igloo]

The SR WA is handy but it's not doing everything for you.

[still crater]

Ahhh. Fair enough. I'll keep that in mind for the future

[sick sentinel]

only way 2nd bosx ur is hard ppl dont step on the eggs

[torn gulch]

or bait wrong

baiting correctly is game changing on that boss so you can stack the worms

[sick sentinel]

that boss goes apeshit at like around exceute hp

goes wild runs whever fuck hewants

[still crater]

No, but then the same could be said for all of these bosses. Managing cds is one thing, but I guess I should have spent more time reading the abilities before I walked in, or i'd have realized why I was getting hit so hard

[sick sentinel]

that on tyranical

is the nightmare

[torn gulch]

yea cd management on trample will be key

tantrum*

[tropic gorge]

My guild got 2 prog kills. Deathea and kurog or whatever the shaman dudes name is

[amber siren]

Grats!

[tropic gorge]

I'm hoping we can kill raz heroic before seasons end. Trying like hell

[fresh igloo]

Lot of people have been surprised by that mechanic as you get higher for the first time heh, it's just learning experience

[still crater]

Yeah. I feel like i need to rush earlier in the season on ksh. Learning shit like this so late in the game feels like running into a wall

[fresh igloo]

Yeah I'm surprised s1 is ending so soon tbh

[tropic gorge]

One month iirc

[fresh igloo]

Looks like you can still earn portals up to just before s2 start on May 9

[sick sentinel]

the problem with boss 2 tantruj, is it will cause his eggs to go in random undesirable locations, which will make it hard for dps and healer to do all 3jobs: dps, get eggs, and harder for you as tank to get him back in safe spot

[fresh igloo]

Even tho s1 technically ends on May 2, that's just for the titles

[tropic gorge]

I'm trying to get a portal

[sick sentinel]

hes got strong rng during that

[tropic gorge]

I am legit suprised that at +20 brain dead dps still exsist in droves. Maybe it's a personal standard I set for myself, but I have always gone with the mindset that at 20, you need good gameplay to be successful

[round pendant]

Do I have until 10.1 to get KSH?

[sick sentinel]

perhaps blizzard wishes to turn m+ seasons into like world seasons

[tropic gorge]

Last weekend proved me wrong or right. Had 2 +20 keys nuked by foolish dps

[still crater]

from what I gathered, pvp is ending 10pm pdt on the 1st, but mythic+ will continue until maintenance on the 9th

[sick sentinel]

winter summer fall spring

[tropic gorge]

I've thought that too.

As real seasons change, so do game seasons

Or sports leagues

[still crater]

maybe, but they're kind of a month late

[sick sentinel]

i do think it sucks that they are removing yhundering

[round pendant]

why

it's a shit affix

[sick sentinel]

even though it makes me wipe, it still makes me stop and think

[still crater]

I actually like it, but it doesn't pair well with the other affixes

[sick sentinel]

its shit when its shit

[fresh igloo]

Totally fine with no season affix

[sick sentinel]

i wilk say that

[round pendant]

stop and think?

I literally never think about it and never get wiped from it

[still crater]

also, the debuff is hella unforgiving regardless of key level

[round pendant]

when there's a few seconds left, I step on someone

big brain

[sick sentinel]

yogi already smoll brained

+pugs

+low keys 16s atm

recipe for disaster

[tropic gorge]

The seasonal didn't bother me personally. I kinda liked it, random brain check. Especially when it goes out during big area denial events. Could be challenging to handle

But it seems a lot of people have major difficulty with it.

[round pendant]

been doing a bunch of ~16s on my ret paladin at 395-400 ilvl

got stunned once by thundering

[tropic gorge]

Bubble and carry on

Lol

[round pendant]

Had way more trouble with tanks just not holding aggro and the mobs turn around and slap me

[sick sentinel]

hey blizzard you could still add a seasonal affix

but it might be fucked

[tropic gorge]

I like surviving the stun. It's almost impossible for me to survive a stun in a usual large pack pull. But it's really cool when I do

[sick sentinel]

if its not already borrowed

[fresh igloo]

There's a bunch of annoying anti patterns in m+ where you can get punished for doing the "right" thing. And having too many mechanics at once to deal with is just annoying. Like NO graveyard trash. Just a silly number of things happening at once, spammed constantly. Affixes on top of that

Man I'm getting old, I'm tired lol

Just let me play the dungeon

[sick sentinel]

if blizzars has to design and put in the affix from scratch, fuckit, could try with older seasonals though

it would take too much time and testing to come uo with new seasonal i think, it woupd be broken if they started work on it now

[torn gulch]

have you seen the state of ptr now?

there is no time to design anything new atm

[fresh igloo]

Lol they aren't gonna suddenly add a seasonal to s2 now