well I shouldnt say most, most I interact with
#protection
jagged pier
strong forum
theres a reason why the EU to NA ratio of CE guilds is like 1/4
(totally has nothing to do with sample size)
toxic pewter
anytime a RL tells me to do less damage or something similar, I exit the raid at that time.
waxen orbit
Based as fuck
toxic pewter
even my own guild, I was ripping threat off the other tank and i dont even raid with them as much anymore lmao
cerulean tusk
Not based, ask for why, reasoning might be valid.
cerulean tusk
Then you are a bad team player
waxen orbit
Then you are a bad team player
Heavy is the head that wears the crown
toxic pewter
I am just against other people telling me to play worse
strong forum
why is the better player being blamed for the mistakes of someone else
jagged pier
it your co tank is loosing aggro
strong forum
makes no sense
toxic pewter
Yeah thats the way I see it
waxen orbit
If a tank has good block uptime, is doing the tank mechs, and is doing good damage
toxic pewter
Life is too short to like cease myself from pressing my buttons
jagged pier
at the start of the season my co tank was 'full dps build' in his words
waxen orbit
🤷♂️
toxic pewter
Like if I want to hit my buttons I will hit those buttons
jagged pier
what am i supposed to do at that point
toxic pewter
Imagine you going to the olympics and you are like 'hey, I am going to need you to run slower, the other runners are getting upset'
LOL
cerulean tusk
What you guys seem to forget is the point is asking why. If reason is valid. Do it. If you don't trust your RLs calls, leave.
slim dove
my dad guild has this issue rn
bdk main tank struggles to hold threat against our giga chad brm
toxic pewter
Why is important, sure, but usually they are trying to blame me when its actually poor play on other peoples part
waxen orbit
If the reason is that healers are struggling to locate the tank frames on their screen and are busy 5 knuckles deep in their sphincter and are thus incapable of tossing a few healing surges at the person currently holding the boss, then I'll send them my ElvUI preset but I'm not gonna spam ignore pain like I'm trying to get through wisdom tooth removal
cerulean tusk
Imagine you going to the olympics and you are like 'hey, I am going to need you ...
It is more a 'hey I need you to run slower to keep effective team formation'.
strong forum
What you guys seem to forget is the point is asking why. If reason is valid. Do ...
a good RL with good tanks doesnt tell the tanks what to do besides positioning
if anything
slim dove
^ tanks are their own entity
cerulean tusk
Basically, but they will communicate.
jagged pier
if u have good tanks they dont even need to do that
strong forum
raid tanks can legit be in a diff voice call
if any at all
you legit just play coop with a bunch of bots
waxen orbit
If a tank can do high keys and/or has good defensive uptime while simultaneously parsing north of 90 then just trust the tank
cerulean tusk
But if your RL goes do X, you can ask why, but do fucking X and trust - or stop wasting time and leave
jagged pier
bunch of bad bots cause they take like 100s of pulls to learn mechanics i know in 20 pulls
strong forum
breh its not like you ignore him
waxen orbit
Unquestionably following a raid lead's decision when you know that it will not solve the issue currently affecting prog, but rather it will be a temporary bandaid is a disservice to the raid team as a whoole
slim dove
no
winged hill
Hey, does the onyx annulet still break CC like roots at rasz?
amber siren
poor ra
strong forum
no clue
waxen orbit
Ra
strong forum
the ping wont go away, its whatever
cerulean tusk
Unquestionably following a raid lead's decision when you know that it will not s...
When that is the case, trust. Then talk it over and come with clear arguments for your position. If you can't see face to face, leave
Just don't discuss midfights, I beg
sick sentinel
if there was training dummies and AH in morqut, i would never change my HS for the rest of DF
just due to that i get 100 fps there solid as opposed to like 30 in valdraken cuz, 1 amount of player models and 2 draw distance having a battle to see what can blow up my computer first
toxic pewter
if there was training dummies and AH in morqut, i would never change my HS for t...
i dont think theres an AH... dummies I am not sure... you can get back with dragonscale expedition teleporter though
waxen orbit
When that is the case, trust. Then talk it over and come with clear arguments fo...
Fair point
sick sentinel
it doesn't put you in a very good spot to return to valdraken any of those porters
toxic pewter
yeah true, its not ideal thats for sure but best we have I guess
sick sentinel
they are close, but you still have to work to get into the city
toxic pewter
I am engineer so I can teleport back too with wyrmhole
strong forum
kinky
cerulean tusk
I just go to old darnassus 
toxic pewter
sick sentinel
i fearlesly leap into the portal
sick sentinel
destination unknown
toxic pewter
thats fun when I am bored
sick sentinel
i still want the flight master whistle back
send u to the nearest taxi point and it should be all warcraft wide
best shit ever
toxic pewter
do people even like forbidden reach? ngl I dont find the zone too fun
toxic pewter
yeah basically same
cerulean tusk
I enjoy it for what it is
toxic pewter
I dont really like the zone
shrewd grove
raid tanks can legit be in a diff voice call
Pushing CE in Emerald Nightmare, me and the cotank would stream movies in a private call the entire raid
sick sentinel
i use the taxi because , you are garunteed more or less to get to your destination
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> hows the prevoker coming along
i stopped like 3 weeks ago
shrewd grove
"soon"
strong forum
legit mega waiting mode until then
strong forum
the echo vs mandatory matches were worse
strong forum
17
sick sentinel
they always have trouble here too 4 kings
south zealot
Then you are a bad team player
the other tank is a bad team player by being dogshit
sick sentinel
solution, cheat to win
cerulean tusk
the other tank is a bad team player by being dogshit
Ain't about that. Is about your part in the team. If you don't want to talk, adapt and finally don't trust your RL calls. It ain't the team for you. Just leave. Player skill and performance is not the topic.
shrewd grove
Does anyone have a solution for my camera randomly locking in a different direction?
This shit is getting old
cerulean tusk
Never had my camera snap around at random. Do you mean it zooms in and out, when example trees collide/block it?
sick sentinel
yes
south zealot
Ain't about that. Is about your part in the team. If you don't want to talk, ada...
youre half right half wrong
having one player actively sandbag is bad
having one player play better is good
sick sentinel
in video games where the camera is some 3rd person view, the camera usually needs to be inside the room with you
south zealot
sure you should trust your RLs calls most of the time but in that scenario its objectively bad
shrewd grove
No. I mean, usually when you start walking forward, it automatically centers behind your char. But sometimes it will "center" in a random direction and continuously lock that way, instead of behind you character
sick sentinel
so the camera will do weird shit in weird geometry rooms
shrewd grove
No
cerulean tusk
youre half right half wrong
I don't disagree with your position. What U am saying is trust or leave. There are always a guild that fit your type better.
shrewd grove
Not what I'm talking about yogi
I am walking forward here. The camera is locking this direction
Instead of behind me
I turn this way and it locks the SAME direction, not behind me again
sick sentinel
strange, i do custom camera angle and never let it adjust itself
south zealot
never seen that problem sorry
cerulean tusk
Try setting camera to set, then put it back. Might be an add-on tho
Weird thing, Google it is my best shot
sick sentinel
like, im not saying use it, cuz its considered bad, but, sometimes, click to move will solve that problem
shrewd grove
I have tried that and I've googled it a number of times to no avail
sick sentinel
thats why i have the camera adjust off
and also world of tanks, command and conquer and shit
shrewd grove
It has never happened until this expansion :/
sick sentinel
bird eye view or god mode view satelite, makes fights alot simpler some times
shrewd grove
And I've played since Vanilla so it's super weird
cerulean tusk
Go blizz forum, technical support, say you tried all sources. Video your issue and they will look I to it and answer 
shrewd grove
You can still do that with auto-adjust camera. Can set to only adjust horizontally
So it won't tilt at all
shrewd grove
Go blizz forum, technical support, say you tried all sources. Video your issue a...
Yeah, I'll have to go to that
cerulean tusk
Gl mate
sick sentinel
i would only want the camera to center vertically
left to right isn't usually as bad, but up and down can get you messed up really fast
sick sentinel
this, but spoken in AI asmongold voice
slow harbor
Anyone know what completions 2400 IO needs, does all timed 16s do it or need more?
waxen orbit
Gonna need the text version
Attention, WoW players! As a proud protection warrior, it's clear that I am not only more intelligent, handsome, and physically strong than any other player - I'm practically a demigod among mere mortals. You want to talk about those flimsy, squishy cloth-wearers? Ha! They wouldn't last a second against my wrathful blows of justice. And those so-called "healers" - please, don't make me laugh. If they were half as smart as they claim to be, they'd know to stay out of the way and let the real warriors do their job. And don't even get me started on those sniveling rogues and mages. Always trying to dodge and weave their way out of trouble, as if that will save them from being completely outclassed. They're like little gnat buzzing around my glorious, muscular physique. But fellow protection warriors? Now THERE is a class that commands respect. Our unyielding defense and unwavering strength are the stuff of legends, and our good looks put even the most handsome paladins to shame. If you ever find yourself face-to-face with one of us, just remember: we could crush you like a grape with a single flick of our wrist. So bow down to your protectors, bask in the glory of our superiority, and know that you're just lucky to be in our presence. Praise be to the almighty protection warrior!
shrewd grove
tyty
sick sentinel
Attention, WoW players! As a proud protection warrior, it's clear that I am not only more intelligent, handsome, and physically strong than any other player - I'm practically a demigod among mere mortals. You want to talk about those flimsy, squishy cloth-wearers? Ha! They wouldn't last a second against my wrathful blows of justice. And those so-called "healers" - please, don't make me laugh. If they were half as smart as they claim to be, they'd know to stay out of the way and let the real warriors do their job. And don't even get me started on those sniveling rogues and mages. Always trying to dodge and weave their way out of trouble, as if that will save them from being completely outclassed. They're like little gnat buzzing around my glorious, muscular physique. But fellow protection warriors? Now THERE is a class that commands respect. Our unyielding defense and unwavering strength are the stuff of legends, and our good looks put even the most handsome paladins to shame. If you ever find yourself face-to-face with one of us, just remember: we could crush you like a grape with a single flick of our wrist. So bow down to your protectors, bask in the glory of our superiority, and know that you're just lucky to be in our presence. Praise be to the almighty protection warrior!
fallow osprey
where do you all tend to tank 3rd TJS boss? does it really matter as long as you aren't covering the ground with green?
craggy pilot
anyone watching MDI and know what happened with the Ankh stuff?
pallid quiver
where do you all tend to tank 3rd TJS boss? does it really matter as long as you...
Right where she lands, myself
oh i need to change my name back
sick sentinel
in the dead middle, then its very easy to predict where you are going to be hit, (there was some meme long alot or not about this boss and another boss and this was the crazy hard boss cuz it has like, 3 mechanics and the other one didnt, i cant recall the context now)
like in the picture, the green ring only ever extends to the gold ring and then waves appear out in an X,
weak cedar
hey, new player here, ive been playing for a week on my 392 prot warrior and i find myself constantly looking at my weakauras bar to check if i get shield slam / revenge procs, is there a way to make it easier to notice the procs without looking at my bar? something like a sound for each proc, or something popping up in the middle of my screen when i get a proc (id like to focus more on the bosses instead of having to look at my bars all the time)
this is my current ui
sick sentinel
take off instigate in your talents for one and put it to blood surge will help alot, sudden death to show of force
and im pretty sure you also want to take pain and gain but what your putting into to avoid it i can't immediately see
weak cedar
take off instigate in your talents for one and put it to blood surge will help a...
ty for the tips, went ahead and changed that
i dont think that solves my problem tho, my concern is more about UI than rage generation i think
sick sentinel
when/if a yellowname/pro 3k guy gets back to you, they will tell you to "use my profile" as is happening now
strong forum
wow has a built in aura that shows you when SS procced
weak cedar
hm maybe it's a game thing, i come from final fantasy and tanks don't really have any procs so you can just memorize your rotation and look at the boss for the whole fight
strong forum
thats the half circle that spawns next to the center of your screen
sick sentinel
and turn off visibility for the action bars and use thier, or a custom weak aura "package"
weak cedar
but in wow i find myself constantly checking the WA to see if i have any procs
so i can't look at the boss all the time
strong forum
sick sentinel
wow has a built in aura that shows you when SS procced
fix execute graphic bug
taking up, 1/3rd of my scren
strong forum
that only happens with default ui
weak cedar
thats the half circle that spawns next to the center of your screen
yeah i'd love something like this but a bit easier to see in the middle of a fight
strong forum
so i can't look at the boss all the time
sounds like you need to get more comfortable with your class
weak cedar
do you know of any options?
strong forum
yeah i'd love something like this but a bit easier to see in the middle of a fig...
wow has that
already
built in
sick sentinel
the button glows yellow
hazy bronze
I believe they're called spell notification overlays
strong forum
ye
weak cedar
but its kinda faint and id like something easier to see if possible
but ye something like that is what id love
sick sentinel
oh, right its like a red swipe with a shield or some shit
strong forum
but like, if you cant see your SS weakaura despite it being this close to center
thats just you needing to get comfortable
you dont have to look at the boss btw
weak cedar
so are good players just looking at their weakauras most of the time and only look at the boss / swirlies when their DBM says something?
sick sentinel
i just look for glowing yellow button
weak cedar
guess i just need to pump more hours in then
strong forum
you already have the WAs in the middle, like most
lots of people play default UI
with the bars all the way at the bottom
but they still see everything
weak cedar
that sounds unbearable wtf
strong forum
its just what youre comfortable with
i can do both
pvpers are even wilder
they even check their buffs in the top right
and the enemy frames + casts + their own shit
weak cedar
jesus
strong forum
but yeah
just get more comfortable with the game
go to the training dummy
slap that guy for 2-4hrs until you got the muscle memory down
so you dont have to tunnel
weak cedar
sweet, down for that lmao
strong forum
wow is all about having your rotation down and spacial awareness
and by rotation i mean prio list
pallid quiver
As you do content more after the muscle memory is down, you'll start to know when to check for your WAs, both CD related and encounter related
sick sentinel
in the words of decino about doom, loosely translated "shoot the monster until it dies"
pallid quiver
Like, Odyn's rune mechanic, you'll be looking at where your notification for where to go is going to be at before it even comes up
pallid quiver
Geometry is fucking impossible; I learned this by watching people in high school
And I was in yhe advanced classes
Which says a lot
amber siren
any fight that has a spreadable mechanic makes the encounter turn from pve into pvp
pallid quiver
Can confirm, will intentionally spread shit to people I know in pugs/lfr
cobalt stream
can anyone tell me of an addon that can show you your ignore pain absorb amount is at
also any other addons that are necessary for tanking/quality of life feel free to dm me
pallid quiver
The absorb amount isn't necessary at all; it actually might be detrimental, even, since it's info you don't need to track or care about in standard play
All you really need are:
Ways to track CDs
Way to track Outburst
Way to track Shield Block uptime (and even this one, currently, is less useful than prior)
cobalt stream
any addon reccomendations to help track that
i just came back to wow from a break since bfa i lvled a toon to max then never played again and im loving dragonflight
pallid quiver
uhhhhh
i stole some of nome's and then customized them for myself so
i got nothing for you on that department, unfortunately
On the wago site, those should be easy to find, from full general CD suites to Outburst specific ones
I know some people use this one for Outburst, but I'm not sure if it still works or not or anything:
https://wago.io/7R32j1O83
torn gulch
if i had to choose between any of the inscription and alchemy trinkets which one is decent for us?
i know there are better trinkets but i don't want to raid until next season
i was looking either at the haste alchemy trinket or the crit idol
pallid quiver
Haste alch trinket is mid; if you don't want to raid, the dungeon trinkets are prooooobably still better, like Hoof and all
also Whetstone's bis so
pallid quiver
Yeah, I'd grab one of the other dungeon trinkets unless you desperately need one now
They're roughly all whatever enough that any amount of effort on crafting one's probably not worth it
torn gulch
not particularly desperate i can probably recover a hoof from item recovery
next season i'll have to raid more seriously as there are interesting raid trinkets
the back looks decent as well
warm plinth
who cares anyway, it's not a hard mechanic 🙄
daring marlin
Tell it to the weirdbois malding lol
warm plinth
My team was using the @ target bug for like 2 seasons before it was fixed back in SL
warm plinth
Tell it to the weirdbois malding lol
the one dude bitching about their #1 place 😂 Yeah I'm sure the spy is why they're #1
woven laurel
Quick question: what is the best way to use spell block/any certain scenarios where spell block is great to use in?
amber siren
i only had a brief look at the WA but i'm guessing the spy option has a unique gossip ID and it's just checking that?
warm plinth
i only had a brief look at the WA but i'm guessing the spy option has a unique g...
yeah that's what other people are saying. Just has a unique ID on the gossip window
warm plinth
Quick question: what is the best way to use spell block/any certain scenarios wh...
Can be put to good use in any dungeon where there is significant blockable magic. RLP first boss is a good example. 3rd/4th boss rooms (dark claw) in TJS, as well as the 3rd boss
Not all blockable magic is necessarily worth running the talent for, but there are some good contenders in a few dungeons
woven laurel
ok thank you, for whatever reason I read the ability as only blocking spells not all magic damage
warm plinth
It doesn't block all damage, but it blocks a lot. Most of anything that isn't a DoT basically.
There's a spreadsheet in the pins that lists all the blockable stuff
woven laurel
It doesn't block all damage, but it blocks a lot. Most of anything that isn't a...
great this is very helpful thank you
covert saffron
Has anyone experimented with healing primordial gems for keys?
hardy snow
the one dude bitching about their #1 place 😂 Yeah I'm sure the spy is why they'...
Of course it is, has to! ... especially that they played cos once and theyve lost it XD
warm plinth
ikr lol
warm plinth
Has anyone experimented with healing primordial gems for keys?
Nah, you're welcome to but frankly we just don't need them and if you want survival, you have the more consistent option of just using a ring with stats over random procs.
fading heath
Heyo guys, I would like to start tanking, but im mostly scared of raid tanking since im kinda new and I dont know like every boss mechanic and don't know what to as tank other than taunt and tank if you know what I mean. Do you think its hard to get into tanking , more specifically prot war
warm plinth
Heyo guys, I would like to start tanking, but im mostly scared of raid tanking s...
Raid tanking is intimidating for about 5 minutes per boss. Once you know what each boss does, it becomes a snooze fest waiting for the rest of your group to learn the fight.
pallid quiver
Raid tanking is generally actually fairly simple; easier than dungeon tanking most of the time, as you have less mechanics you directly have to worry about
As long as you press defensive CD when big hitty come out and taunt swap, it's just base set there
mighty valley
In normal and heroic you don’t even need to care about the “press defensive CD” part most of the time
You should because your brain doesn’t have a lot else to worry about, but there’s rarely anything that deadly if you’re doing your rotation right
fading heath
so what about dungeon, i guess they are harder on high mythic keys? ive done up until like +15 but on dps like just not thinking too much and doing dmg
warm plinth
Dungeons are a lot more involved and you have a lot more responsibility in them.
pallid quiver
Dungeons are a lot more responsibility on you directly, since you're the only tank. In addition, damage is a lot less predictable as well as generally higher on you in comparison to raid
You need to balance pacing, interrupts, what pulls for your comp, etc, while still doing everything you do in raid
undone verge
What’s this about mdi and 10.1 release date
warm plinth
That is a very vague question. Can you be more specific
mighty valley
Beyond like 20 every role needs to know more and has more responsibility in m+, stuff that people were probably ignoring in that 15 range just starts killing people
undone verge
That is a very vague question. Can you be more specific
Well cause I got very vague information, people saying we got 4 weeks till 10.1 then said they were talking about it during mdi
warm plinth
I think 5 or 6 is more likely but yeah, early/mid-May is a pretty common guess.
slim dove
the current rumor is 10.1 will drop with the end of the timewalking 6 week event 🙂
its reasonable as d4 drops in june and they wont coincide both releases for obvious reasons.
warm plinth
Yeah and the last week of that is what, 4th reset after the one coming up?
putting the 9th as the possible patch day
violet flume
idk why i bother skipping stuff in rlp, people buttpull that instance so much
also leanred you can bait where last boss lands for firebreaths today
mighty valley
yeah, it’s weird that you want to stay centered for the dragon landing spots, but drop off the flame patches to get blown off by wind
deceptively complex boss
warm plinth
Or just do my group's strat. Drop it wherever and just dodge the shit
violet flume
yeah
warm plinth
ezpz
violet flume
that too, i just wish people at least dropped fire next to existing fire
thats what i do, never planned 4head fire drops to get kicked off by wind
warm plinth
I think we've tried planning it but most of us don't ever remember the sequence so we just end up winging it 😂
violet flume
lmao im guilty of that too
at any rate rlp timer seems easy, we definietly had like 120% killed and would have timed it without last boss wipe
warm plinth
Yeah RLP timer is not bad
I think RLP tyrannical was actually what I got my RLP portal on lol
on like a 21
violet flume
everytime i tried skipping the big elemental before first boss people pull everything including him and some whelps
warm plinth
lol
We've never bothered skipping him tbh. I didn't even know people did that until very recently
violet flume
i think im just gonna kill it, wipes/deaths kill timers more than skips tbh
if only people didnt buttpull all the trash on the left side though
warm plinth
if only people didnt buttpull all the trash on the left side though
They're just trying to give you more targets to pad on
violet flume
good guys buttpullers it seems
that said theyre in every single RLP group ive had so it is waht it is
high aspen
Does prot get fucked by the adds on mythic brood
I've been told it's not good and the adds will shit on you
ionic fern
Not really.
There are bleeds that hurt..but they hurt any tank. 🤷
Just rotate CD's properly, if you're a dwarf, that's a big bonus, use evoker bleed dispells as needed.
We're way better on the adds than we are on the boss.
flat jackal
Does prot get fucked by the adds on mythic brood
Use spell block on icy tantrum or whatever it is
copper igloo
About to craft a shield, is the embellishment shield worth it?
warm plinth
Not really
Can't customize the stats and the embellishment effect is notihng special.
If you need a 2nd embellishment you're better off making the primal molten shield and throwing armor spikes on it
copper igloo
I mainly play arms so I have the vers bracer and haste legs but just wanted to check
Guess il stick with the bracer and just craft a regular shield
warm plinth
not a bad plan
sick sentinel
Can’t tell if I want to go Dwarf or Dark iron for next season
warm plinth
Just pick based on which you like best cosmetically.
The racial difference isn't really relevant tbh. Still removes debuffs either way
limpid anchor
I've been told it's not good and the adds will shit on you
The adds are way more chill than the boss so far for me.
Healers just need to notice the rend
Everything else is w/e
sick sentinel
Dwarf is easier to mog than DID.
Dwarf heritage armor is S tier 
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
limpid anchor
But about brood, is there any reason that not everyone (without beam) stands in the tank soak?
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
Good morning Ghash, hope you're doing good.
limpid anchor
But still, not the “tank soaks solo” or max with a rogue?
warm plinth
I'm doing okay. Getting anxious XD Should hear about that position this week
jagged pier
solo soaks died when the mechanic got nerfed ages ago
pallid quiver
remember, ghash, if they need some convincin', I'm a professional leg breaker
warm plinth
limpid anchor
Kk tyty
warm plinth
Did you see my splendid prot warrior tank in my hunter's 16 CoS Luerce
pallid quiver
oh hell yeah i did, the anonymized one?
warm plinth
Yeah figured I shouldn't put him fully on blast 😂
pallid quiver
I wasn't even like "ugh, this guy" or anything\
like, there was clearly some amount of thinking going on
so i just like, wanna know
warm plinth
He was a god among warriors for sure
pallid quiver
Like, he picked up battering ram and all
warm plinth
At first glance I was like oh his talents are fi--what the fuck
pallid quiver
but he used demo shout once, and not even really defensively? it was against like 3 mobs
warm plinth
I think my personal favorite was his 2 slam casts
pallid quiver
Yeah, that was good, too
warm plinth
Like he apparently thought it was important enough to be on his bar, but not important to press
pallid quiver
Also, I was reminded that if you block less hits than you take, your blocked hit percentage is under the unblocked hits in the percentage
warm plinth
LOL
remote venture
He didn't need SB to clear CoS 😎
pallid quiver
To be fair, DKs don't need SB to clear CoS, either 🙂
warm plinth
The run didn't even go badly or anything. He just made some offhanded remark about my healer friend's gear before the key started
pallid quiver
yeah it look like it went decently smoothly overall
remote venture
Bigger mistake then the 2 Slams
pallid quiver
Like, he was interrupting pretty decently and all
warm plinth
Hey give him some credit; he pressed SB twice 😏
pallid quiver
he was also running bulwark
remote venture
and he use Shield Slam so he got the buff
pallid quiver
oh shoot, i didn't even think to check outbursts
warm plinth
It was kinda funny though; at the end of the run he asked us to do the 18 
or 17 idr if we 2 chested or not
remote venture
About racials, it's only relevent for like 20+ keys? Like you have to be Dwraft in +22 as a tank to able to make it
pallid quiver
Not even then
Dorf is nice to have, but it's not going to make or break keys at all, since before that could ever be a thing,
your dps are going to have been dead 7 key levels ago
warm plinth
Honestly you probably don't even need it in the highest keys that people are doing right now. But it's nice to have.
remote venture
I am an Orc so Bloodury makes more dps so it goes faster to take down packs 😎
remote venture
remote venture
and WAR STOMP
jagged pier
and it doesnt DR things with war stomp
pallid quiver
i don't ever actually press war stomp outside pvp
jagged pier
and can remove bleeds
warm plinth
DID passive is pretty meh in comparison
It's like 1% reduced physical damage or something
plus their heritage armor is shit
low salmon
been looking at builds that have killed rasz mythic, and no one is using battle-scarred veteran. is it that bad vs booming voice? im talking survivability-wise
jagged pier
on anything there is literally no rreason to take BSV
it doesnt save u
its still bugged and can proc at 80% hp
and even if it worked correctly its still bad
as u shouldnt drop below 30%
low salmon
happened a few times, but it's shit that it's bugged. ty!
sick sentinel
Maybe the problem is that none of the races interest you at all aesthetically so you’re brain is tricking you into believing your changing race for elitism
🤔
astral thorn
Hello, the onyx amulet pretty good for prot? or just stay with usuals
ionic fern
restive crown
we can only /pray when we run out of cd during crawth right?
ionic fern
Plan properly.
Healer externals.
Evoker/Dwarf dispells.
Feed into IP while holding SB up.
restive crown
shield wall first, IV/Last Stand 2nd, healer external 3/4, then repeat?
hardy snow
you can also throw 3rd orb right when bird starts casting last AoE you want to take, in this way it gets stunned by the mechanic right before next bleed apliccation
orchid frigate
ok tried prot pala a bit and if people think warriors are boringly good i feel its nothing compared to paladins 😄
scenic mural
paladin is god tier right now even if youre not great at the class
orchid frigate
was it 10.0.7 that tipped them over or have theyve been this good entire expansion?
pallid quiver
they've been good the entire time
people just overhyped prot war
and all the tanks are very capable
ionic fern
If the tank isn't r1 in RIO it's trash.
pallid quiver
^^^
orchid frigate
haha
pallid quiver
Public perception only changed once the top pushers swapped to Prot Pal
pallid quiver
there wasn't even any changes to prot war but now people are like "prot war ded"
pallid quiver
i've gotten a "can't clear with a warrior tank swap to paladin" recently
So i just left
round pendant
because "meta gaming" in 2023 is just 99% of people seeing what the top players are doing and assuming anything else is throwing
pallid quiver
^^^
People also don't take the time to, like
understand what's going on
My favorite part is when the meta isn't even what's the strongest or best like when prot war was considered the best when we lacked group survival utility that Paladin brings, which has proven to be what bricks highest keys
remote venture
The talnetss that was used in MDI, are they only for speedrun so we should avoid them? It set on major def CD can be used more often
round pendant
I picked warrior over paladin this expansion because I didn't want to "deal with" holy power (since I played prot pal in legion) and wanted something simple to get back into the game again
and then I try paladin again cause it's my old main and people say I'm a fotm pleb
so sad
round pendant
The talnetss that was used in MDI, are they only for speedrun so we should avoid...
MDI strats should go straight into the dumpster for pugs imo
pallid quiver
MDI strats and talents are usually focused around high risk, high coordination required pulls, so their talents are generally tailored to their specific comps and all
I'd have to see exactly what they were running, but usually not worth
round pendant
it's nuts to me how much more fun m+ is with even 2 friends in the group
vs entirely pugging it
remote venture
oh yes
topaz field
people just overhyped prot war
prot war is fucking bonker donker strong i dont see why they should be overhyped
jagged pier
because it was never the strongest tank
prot paladin always was
just ppl slept on it
topaz field
ye but who cares
jagged pier
cause lol full blocktime with no effort
topaz field
unless u play 29 keys
remote venture
I heard that Paladin scale better with higher gear, that's why it was an sleeper
orchid gulch
Eh, it's just the internet. Hyperbole much, in both directions
topaz field
i just found fun leveling my prot to 70 recently
pallid quiver
i mean i didn't say they were bad
topaz field
after everyone joined pink
pallid quiver
just overhyped
orchid gulch
Pally just brings a ton of defensive and utilities more than warriors do
pallid quiver
Literally every tank is impossibly solid right now
ionic fern
I heard that Paladin scale better with higher gear, that's why it was an sleeper
@thorn spruce were you sleeper because low gear? 
pallid quiver
I heard that Paladin scale better with higher gear, that's why it was an sleeper
That's just how people have been coping with being wrong
thorn spruce
Im just very tired
remote venture
Bear will be better in 10.10 and they were "worst" tank. Like C only
topaz field
bears tree is still trash
jagged pier
omg the scaling arugment can we just stop with that now
topaz field
having a broken tier set doesnt change bears actual problems
unless its over the top
remote venture
That's just how people have been coping with being wrong
Sound legit! Must hve an excuess
orchid gulch
omg the scaling arugment can we just stop with that now
It'd seem the argument didn't scale very well
remote venture
"I was wrong" don't work
pallid quiver
The only thing that matters is that every tank is extremely solid, and the reason Prot Pal's the best is because its kit is best served for solving the "My party is dying around me" issue that keys have
They all do at the least decent damage, and none flop over
thorn spruce
We have a bit of a feedback loop with sentinel, rp, and sw
But its not more than warriors rage feedback loop
People were just focused on warriors early on in the beta, and there's been a stigma about paladins that they are squishy and prone to getting oneshot
After gearing the warriors, people started to slowly pick up paladin, and until people like Andy started playing it, it didnt get the spotlight it deserved
Its not about gear, its not about tier sets, its about putting warriors on a pedestal while looking down on paladin because of historical factors
ionic fern
round pendant
I still believe consecration is the least fun ability in the entire game tho
jagged pier
hey im just saying i was in here week 1 one of the expansion saying paladin was slept on and was told i was wrong
pallid quiver
I just shit on pallies because I'm holding on to a grudge that like 12 year old me had from playing Horde
thorn spruce
I still believe consecration is the least fun ability in the entire game tho
Absolutely agree with you, no questions about it
pallid quiver
i remember that, jakey
thorn spruce
hey im just saying i was in here week 1 one of the expansion saying paladin was ...
My excuse for sleeping on paladin is that I forgot that the minigame existed
I only looked at it for raid
And holy fuck is it ever dogshit
jagged pier
remote venture
hey im just saying i was in here week 1 one of the expansion saying paladin was ...
Good for you. Here take a cookie 🍪
pallid quiver
I remember thinking that all tanks were strong during beta from everything I heard (perma no beta life), with Pallies having noodle damage and being slightly squishier
Then I found out that was wrong when release came
then i ran into the conundrum of shitting on pallies to continue my grudge or to be truthful that they bongo good
remote venture
The tanks are best balance in DF then for a long time, right?
jagged pier
yes
pallid quiver
From everything I've been present for, yeah
There's nothing like SL S3/4 DK just dumping on all the other tanks
round pendant
tho I didn't play bfa and shadowlands
thorn spruce
SL was similar, before DKs
remote venture
That is well done for Bliazzrd. I start to level other tank specs to see if they are fun or not. I just play Prot Warrior to 17+
round pendant
They're all fun in their own way
pallid quiver
I believe SL S1 was kinda similar, except instead of all tanks being equally strong, they were all kinda equally shit, at least for keys.
that's what i heard after i stopped, anyhow, SL made me stop playing
jagged pier
no bdk and bear is never fun
thorn spruce
(except bear, bear is not fun)
round pendant
Bear is fun because you get to be a bear
jagged pier
pallid quiver
I've had trouble having fun playing BDK since Legion
round pendant
bdk kinda boring I agree but then you get a dopamine spike when you aoe grip in key moments
thorn spruce
Bear is fun because you get to be a bear
You can do that by having another druid in your group and then use reflecting prism
pallid quiver
The edgelord in me likes to play DK, but I just can't, like, have fun playing Blood
remote venture
Bear is fun because you get to be a bear
I just want to be dino turtle
thorn spruce
bdk kinda boring I agree but then you get a dopamine spike when you aoe grip in ...
You dont use aoe grip in DF
jagged pier
I get a dopamine spike from stormkeeper chain lightening a pack on ele shammy
pallid quiver
I remember enjoying it during Wrath/Cata/Pandaland when I played it
round pendant
You dont use aoe grip in DF
but utility is fun
pallid quiver
Chain Lightning and especially Lava Beam are some of my favorite abilities in WoW
remote venture
The edgelord in me likes to play DK, but I just can't, like, have fun playing Bl...
I have fun to leveling Blood atm. Let's see
thorn spruce
but utility is fun
Its a BIG loss to take it unfortunately
pallid quiver
it is just inherently feel good to me
nocturne spindle
honestly just being able to interrupt more makes pally feel so nice
but i just love warrior movement too much
round pendant
Its a BIG loss to take it unfortunately
That's sad, I didn't actually do any keys on bdk after I got it to 70
They should fix that
grips are kinda defining for dk, they shouldn't be a loss to take imo
round pendant
Purgatory is cheat death?
pallid quiver
purg every time, baybee
healers adjust if i get globalled
round pendant
I'd drop purg yeah
and just play better
but obviously idk shit about bdk other than grips are fun
remote venture
I really want have grip when I play Nokhud. I want to get all adds in last boss
pallid quiver
because you can yank things away from your DPS more often
round pendant
mass grip is fun!!
warm plinth
Dropping the first two talents is traight inting
straight*
So definitely don't do that
round pendant
I really want have grip when I play Nokhud. I want to get all adds in last boss
Yeah dk is a must have for nokhud imho. Not just for the final boss either
warm plinth
You can get all the adds on last boss with abom limb though
round pendant
Yeah mass grip just needs to be put elsewhere on the tree
Clearly it's in a bad spot
round pendant
You can get all the adds on last boss with abom limb though
What's the range to the adds from where the boss sits? does abom limb actually reach???
warm plinth
yes
round pendant
they literally designed that boss around DKs I swear
it's such a miserable fight on tyr otherwise
thorn spruce
Eh its okay for paladin too, DT hits all of them
round pendant
I should really start learning about aoe ability ranges
For instance I didn't know DT had a 30 yard range, the fuck?
thorn spruce
30 yard is just the range of AS
round pendant
yeah it makes sense, but for some reason with aoe abilities my brain just defaults to thinking it's thunderclap range
warm plinth
For instance I didn't know DT had a 30 yard range, the fuck?
Yeah it's kinda stupid. It's even 30 yards for holy even though holy shock has a 40 yard range
wary creek
Hey, is there a one button macro to toggle between defensive and battle stance that anyone can share with me?
warm plinth
Yep, it's in the pins my friend
#showtooltip /cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance
wary creek
ah, thanks! I didn't check because I assumed it would all be TC and patch changes
warm plinth
All good
pallid quiver
ghash free me from this grinding hell
i didn't do anything in my mmos i played during most of my free time this week so i'm mashing everything out at like 4 AM
wary creek
happens to me every week it feels like lol
warm plinth
I just had to do that too. Did like 3 keys on 3 different toons to have vaults this week
pallid quiver
Well you see
jagged pier
I didnt log in
pallid quiver
I haven't even started WoW yet
warm plinth
Not been feeling WoW the past couple weeks tbh.
jagged pier
warm plinth
oh dear
wary creek
Not been feeling WoW the past couple weeks tbh.
me neither
pallid quiver
the japanese have me stuck on PSO2 at the moment smh
shouldn't have played so much mechwarrior this past week
wary creek
oh damn.. I mean I just play wow. I couldn't handle playing other games rn
jagged pier
other games are great
cant just play 1 game for ever
and i dont mean just mmos
plenty of other great games and types of games out there
wary creek
just too much stuff IRL, I might pay random single player games if I really don't feel like playing wow, but wow generally takes up all of my free time for gaming.
orchid frigate
so annoying when you want to make the pull before 1st boss in HoV and dps goes all out on the first two mobs
and you have to run back and get them
ionic fern
Just
Tell
Them.
That's one of the pulls where i've never had DPS'ers mong out.
"We're pulling everything until the drake, CC first thundercaller".
pallid quiver
A few pugs still will; illiterates do what illiterates do
I generally don't have the issue
Using words helps a lot
ionic fern
I clap the first 2 guys just in case.
warm plinth
Yeah tbh that's what i do as well. I charge the first two, clap, leap up, charge again, ezpz lemon squeezy
pallid quiver
Same
warm plinth
But what I want to do is let them die
pallid quiver
won't stop someone going full CDs ST on one of them
ionic fern
It tilts me to oblivion tho if the Rogue/DH is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY in the back so you're waiting up top until they finally show up to CC the first Thundercaller.
pallid quiver
in which case they do, in fact, get to die still
ionic fern
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
warm plinth
Yeah I don't even have to be mounted to beat the tank to the 1st thundercaller
sprint + grappling hook, he never had a chance
vital fjord
Sad to see prot warrs fall to 4th position
round pendant
What's truly sad is thinking that even matters
limpid anchor
Sad to see prot warrs fall to 4th position
Always was
vital fjord
it matters getting accepted into pugs
jagged pier
that is confirmation bias
pallid quiver
You generally don't want to be in the pugs that'd decline you for that, anyhow
vital fjord
I wouldnt mind if I had a premade group
vital fjord
You generally don't want to be in the pugs that'd decline you for that, anyhow
thats gonna be 80% of pugs
jagged pier
i have never not been invited to a pug because I play prot warrior
even when it was considered trash tier
vital fjord
I just saw a bunch of people complaining about it
I personally just made a prot war , so Im not sure
uneven mason
but also good paladin discord can deal with fotmers
uneven mason
Sad to see prot warrs fall to 4th position
The funny thing is that after the initial tuning pass warriors haven't been in the top two and very loosely in the top 3
But it takes a while for the comps to swing
So public hate for warriors was still high until 10.0.7
uneven mason
Hell I still occasionally get some snark about asking for an external or letting the healer know that certain mechanics will actually require their attention span for 8 seconds until the bleed falls off
"I don't have to heal other tanks there"
sick sentinel
i been thinking about trying pizza tower
supposedly controls are as good as mario or sonic game
someone talking about playing other games than wow i saw
uneven mason
someone talking about playing other games than wow i saw
You saw wrong
sick sentinel
ok so im 50% wrong, again lol, surprise
that statement absolutely 100% reads to me as "i'm playing another game" or very similar to me
uneven mason
I mean I kinda get it, the forbidden reach stuff is great, especially for catching up alts that I hadn't had a chance to do m+ on yet, but.... for folks who do heroic raiding or m+ above 10 not really a big calling
Great story though
dusky canopy
Yeah agree 10.0.7 was great for the first few days because it was something new
It’s not like amazing or anything
Back to the key grind
sick sentinel
i would have to do 2 more keys, 1400 rep for 3k quest, vault keys and a bunch of other shit
meh, probably wont get any of it done, but maytbe
probably wont
other shit to do today toopossibly
dusky canopy
tier lists zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I like not being on top of a tier list,
Then you get the comments like:
“Yo warrior sleeper”
“Damn warrior slaps”
Etc
Feelsgoodman
Like doing 20s in season 1 of SL as Prot warrior and all the pugs were mind blown because you were on Warrior and not a VDH
verbal wren
It is fun, I had a not great showing on a Nok 20 and all the DPS were still commenting on my damage
dusky canopy
The dps compliments are cool for sure
“Holy shit what is this warrior!?”
Casually doing 70k overall
dusky canopy
It is fun, I had a not great showing on a Nok 20 and all the DPS were still comm...
Spell reflect go brrr
dusky canopy
i would have to do 2 more keys, 1400 rep for 3k quest, vault keys and a bunch of...
I feel that, this is the first week since roughly week 3-4 where I haven’t gotten 8 20s locked in for the vault.. just didn’t want to lol
karmic plinth
The dps compliments are cool for sure
in SL S2 i was running keys with EM or seismic and i was blowing peoples minds, each time theyd add me on battlenet
dusky canopy
Same bro same!
Seismic owned
Healer dms “hey did you forget to put in correct Lego”
karmic plinth
dusky canopy
in SL S2 i was running keys with EM or seismic and i was blowing peoples minds, ...
I think we were shooting for like 12k overalls back then
Feels good
uneven mason
Nothing beat the feeling in bfa tho
uneven mason
Literally most deadly ability in 8.0 for pwar
uneven mason
"no I don't see how you'd be able to block that"
dusky canopy
It’s not like a shield can stop a rock or anything
uneven mason
Not at all
dusky canopy
uneven mason
Being too stubborn to swap to another tank and sticking with protwar in that patch made me a better player. Bitter curmudgeon, but better pwar. Last time pwar was that crap was WoD gladiator tuning and I ran to my resto shaman because they were baller
sick sentinel
when i join a guild in hopes of raiding and maybe tanking and forced to be dps instead "so i guess i had become what they wanted me to be, a killer, some rent-a-clown with a sword who puts holes in other bad guys. well, in the end that's what they paid for so that's what they got."
dusky canopy
Oh yeah definitely, playing your class when it’s at its “weakest” makes you way better at it overall
dusky canopy
when i join a guild in hopes of raiding and maybe tanking and forced to be dps ...
“We only need dps right now cool?”
sick sentinel
sorry, i played all 3 max payne games together in a row in 2022
uneven mason
Sure I’ll just afk and smash raging blowing / rampage all night watching Netflix
Fury - when you need to not use brain
uneven mason
im trying to get through fear now
Doom 1 and 2 plus expansion levels on nightmare, no cheats
uneven mason
I'll see you in 5 years
uneven mason
I mean, that's what like 120 levels in the expansion for doom2
sick sentinel
Doom 1 and 2 plus expansion levels on nightmare, no cheats
NM is legitimately a joke mode you know this right lol
they had UV and someone mailed them said its too easy
dusky canopy
A boat load definitely
sick sentinel
so they made the monsters respawn every 30s and monster x2 speed
tbf, i don't think anyone plays nightmre doom 1/2 and its not a meme
uneven mason
K
copper igloo
about to get a shield crafted, what stats should i put on it? haste vers?
copper igloo
yeah i am new to prot warrior and vers dont seem that good
sick sentinel
#buffallmasteries
uneven mason
It's fine, all of our stats are a nose hair in difference, more is better etc
uneven mason
yeah i am new to prot warrior and vers dont seem that good
Crit is better imo because you can see when it does it's thing, big numbers
copper igloo
yeah i mostly play amrs, but want to try out prot so most of my gear is crit/haste
but it seems to be doing fine
sick sentinel
i got a 415 fury weapon and a 395 or 398
uneven mason
Just stack ilvl, grab haste when you have a apples to apples choice and it'll be dandy
sick sentinel
2h's
uneven mason
i got a 415 fury weapon and a 395 or 398
Sounds like you have a 415 arms weapon?
sick sentinel
i dunno, i dunno if arms is better i'd rather do port
uneven mason
but it seems to be doing fine
All tanks basically have 0 shits to give about stats and just hard focus ilvl.
Best advice I can give you as a new prot war, you're a DPS who doesn't die. Focusing on prioritizing damage like you would as arms will lead you to optimal defensive play as well.
uneven mason
Well, close to optimal defensive play....there are times you'll have to skip revenges for stacking IP but those aren't very often
sick sentinel
but im missing buffs probeably
tropic gorge
I've always preferred arms to fury
The exception being a small time during vanilla where 2h fury overtook arms for raid and dps performance with certain gear setups
uneven mason
2h fury, such fun in tbc as well
I remember getting worldbreaker from ssc and immediately respeccing to slam fury
Big damage without the HS spam aggro
uneven mason
I mean, tg wasn't a thing in classic and tbc (until wotlk prepatch) let me tell you I was in the minority of fury warrior who actually had a 2h on deck between stunherald and worldbreaker I wasn't that bad off, but the other fury in my guild had nothing and had to grind pvp to get some s2 weapons to function.
Some stupidity on blizzards part
misty moss
Hey does PWarr do Haste Crit or Haste Vers?
misty moss
looks like most top warriors are going Haste Vers, but as a DH it's Haste Crit - so figured I'd ask
plush tendon
depends on types of keys you doing
misty moss
20+
plush tendon
you doing cutting edge keys? maybe you want vers
you chillin in 23s 24s
haste crit is totally fine
misty moss
yeah 20-24
odd tree
i'd go haste/crit, let's you offspec arms without swapping gear
plush tendon
yea, Im a haste/crit enjoyer
the same also applies if you a fury enjoyer; you can go haste/mastery on stuff
its not a huge deal for Prot any which way
uneven mason
Like, it's unlikely most people are hitting the point of survival being outpaced by the required DPS
So vers isn't likely to be impactful over crit besides feelycraft
misty moss
good to know, yeah on VDH (my main atm) I have been running Haste/Crit for a while but it is just better all around for us as it's more survival as well. For Prot (new alt) didn't know how vers felt
I am excited to War tank though... probably should've done this sooner in S1
but war looking great for S2
misty moss
Didn't want to go Pally because I try to avoid the FoTM chasing and I've played pally as prot for past 6 years
I went VDH for something less played
Now that ppl are leaving war, it's great time for me
odd tree
pwar is definitely fun
plush tendon
and Ret is actually pretty fun with their overhaul
odd tree
ret looks fun
misty moss
S2 will also be a good time for Spriest
plush tendon
Ive enjoyed it while just screwing around
misty moss
have a feeling that Prot pally will be amazing for S2 raid though
Remember when Warrior was terrible... hope that never happens again
plush tendon
but I know whats gonna happen next tier anyways.... Ima start on the Prot War or Paladin then as we get to the end of the raid BDK is gonna be broken and im gonna swap back to Blood
plush tendon
Remember when Warrior was terrible... hope that never happens again
I dont
Warriors always been awesome
odd tree
idk, end of slands i was definitely tired of intervening people to keep sb up
misty moss
@plush tendon can't remember when it was that I shuddered when I saw a prot war in the raid/dungeon, but there was atime
Legion or Shadowlands... anyone remember when pwar was down bad
misty moss
^ that would make sense
odd tree
i can't comment on legion
misty moss
I was a prot pally then and was happy about it
plush tendon
the biggest issue in SL was SB uptime early on, but Plka was still doing big Prot War keys
and making us proud as a Venthyr Prot War
uneven mason
Legion or Shadowlands... anyone remember when pwar was down bad
Bfa warriors were insanely hard to play well
Bfa release that is
plush tendon
IP on the GCD
we had some people screwing around with S1 BFA Prot, and they were generally tanky.... was just a chore to play
remote venture
IP on GCD?!? Damn
misty moss
so I have the Ignore Pain macro, my mouseover kick, heroic leap, charge/intercept macro, stance swap, but does anyone have any other gamechanging macros I should add?
plush tendon
naw that seems fine
misty moss
should I setup a similar charge for victory rush or does that kind of go out the window like whirlwind and slam?
misty moss
^ ty
strong forum
But no that's about all the proper useful macros
plush tendon
unless you like me and you macroing /say things that are funny 😄
craggy pilot
maybe mouseover Storm Bolt, if needed?
mouseover Heroic Throw is also useful for Explosives
misty moss
Cool, appreciate it @craggy pilot yeah I do mouseovers for things like that
solid
now to begin the forbidden reach grind so I can try to get a 20 on vault by end of night
craggy pilot
also i use Focus kick macro instead of mouseover, and then i have /setfocus on my mousewheel button
made insane difference for me
this macro bound to a key with Middlemouse
misty moss
I do a similar thing where I have ctrl/middle mouse to set focus and then have my kicks and intercepts on focus
craggy pilot
and then this
uneven mason
IP on GCD?!? Damn
IP on gcd and or SB uptime was only 60%
misty moss
very nice
uneven mason
But we could maintain 100% uptime on major CDs
echo egret
Anyone with a good pug-friendly route for AV ? I'm struggling between those who want to skip frogs, to skip the last 2 guards, the stone guys and their piercing shards that trample me, the lashers and to be kicked...
uneven mason
Also bfa 8.0 prot was the #1 DPS spec
craggy pilot
Anyone with a good pug-friendly route for AV ? I'm struggling between those who ...
do you mean pug friendly skip route or just pug friendly route in general?
plush tendon
Anyone with a good pug-friendly route for AV ? I'm struggling between those who ...
frogs all the way
uneven mason
Anyone with a good pug-friendly route for AV ? I'm struggling between those who ...
Skipping frogs was literally a meme that lasted a week before they nerfed frog hp
echo egret
Tbh anything pug-friendly
craggy pilot
did they nerf the Frogs hp? i didnt even realize lol
echo egret
Which means "don't ask the group for 5 coordinated kicks or stuns"
Like 3 or 4 arcane fury
plush tendon
also, with the skip frogs route, you have to pull that extra lasher+tree pack
and lashers suuuuuuck
uneven mason
did they nerf the Frogs hp? i didnt even realize lol
Yeah first week the frogs had obscene HP
craggy pilot
Which means "don't ask the group for 5 coordinated kicks or stuns"
on ring you can pull more if you have enough stuns for the Piercing Frontal
uneven mason
also, with the skip frogs route, you have to pull that extra lasher+tree pack
Also makes it likely someone would aggro those f**king traps
plush tendon
my suggestion; tank death skip breakers, do the extra two Dragonoid guys in the 2nd boss room and remove two arcane constructs (add them in if you can skip those elemental guys before platforms)
craggy pilot
death skip doesnt sound very pug friendly 😄
echo egret
Thanks
verbal wren
It's pretty easy to do, you just aggro and pull to the side
plush tendon
death skip doesnt sound very pug friendly 😄
fair, but also, if you pull those breakers, you can remove the stuff on the bottom platform tbh
oh you also dont do the full pull at start
craggy pilot
fair, but also, if you pull those breakers, you can remove the stuff on the bott...
the frog platform or what?
plush tendon
I see I see
craggy pilot
i can send the string if thats easier 😄
plush tendon
the frog platform or what?
the second platform before second boss room
plush tendon
i can send the string if thats easier 😄
naw, your % is different
hardy snow
you can combine 1+2, 9+10 and some more i guess
plush tendon
Cause a staple in all my runs is the triple fury 6 lasher pull at start
craggy pilot
verbal wren
Yeah I do prefer to do that big first room pull and then skip the second ring. At least if people die on that first pull they res right there.
craggy pilot
you can combine 1+2, 9+10 and some more i guess
ye 1+2 is always combined for me
i just didnt update the route 😄
echo egret
1+2 will fail pugs that don't understand the LOS concept
craggy pilot
the second platform before second boss room
oh you wanna skip the patrol on 2nd ring i guess
craggy pilot
1+2 will fail pugs that don't understand the LOS concept
not so much LOS, more like stuns
echo egret
The idiots stay in the 1st room too long so the mobs stay spread
echo egret
20s
uneven mason
Literally "I'm losing to the 3rd room, don't touch"
Ret pops wings and goes ham the instant they see heroic throw go out
#brickingthiskey
plush tendon
oh you wanna skip the patrol on 2nd ring i guess
This is how I usually do AV; I thinks its relatively pug friendly
uneven mason
Nah, they established lacking the ability to follow instructions
craggy pilot
This is how I usually do AV; I thinks its relatively pug friendly
thats a small pic
plush tendon
thats a small pic
uneven mason
Looks fine
plush tendon
guess its bigger on a PC XD
uneven mason
I can read it on the phone
craggy pilot
i have it on PC
echo egret
Triple Arcane Furies isn't my cup of tea
craggy pilot
can barely see the numbers
uneven mason
Nielsen uses a 3840 uwhd
plush tendon
can barely see the numbers
its not nearly as scary as you might think
everyone has CDs
you can lust
Spell Block is poggies
and if you are a blood elf or have one, a arcane torrent when they get buffed goes a long way
craggy pilot
why not skip the frogs when youre doing all this % then
verbal wren
replied to wrong person, but now I'm imagining popping RL cooldown so I can read numbers better
plush tendon
why not skip the frogs when youre doing all this % then
this route is 100%
echo egret
I thought Spell Block wasn't working against those
verbal wren
it blocks the hit, not the dot
craggy pilot
this route is 100%
how do you skip the entire ring without clearing it?
verbal wren
jump down
plush tendon
you can jump down where you kill the second construct dood
craggy pilot
why skip the ring but not the frogs
plush tendon
then we take the book back across
craggy pilot
the ring seems fairly doable
uneven mason
how do you skip the entire ring without clearing it?
craggy pilot
frogs just straight annoying
plush tendon
cause frogs take like 3-4 minutes for 30%
uneven mason
frogs just straight annoying
If you have people stand near melee
rigid schooner
quick question ive got 421 Skoldir Bracers (High crit low mast) is it worth cata it or is the mast kinda throw on cata version?
uneven mason
They don't jump far
plush tendon
uneven mason
quick question ive got 421 Skoldir Bracers (High crit low mast) is it worth cata...
Wat
Oh ok I get it
plush tendon
quick question ive got 421 Skoldir Bracers (High crit low mast) is it worth cata...
its a wash either way tbh; if you want TMOG, cata
rigid schooner
did i fuck the sentance?
craggy pilot
how do you skip the last 2 breakers then?
plush tendon
how do you skip the last 2 breakers then?
tank can go in solo, pull to one of the corners to the side, everyone goes across, tank dies, gets rezzed
craggy pilot
lol
verbal wren
if you have a priest they can just mind soothe too
uneven mason
Nah you're fine my brain just needed to reboot, 421 is 421 if you want to get the xmogs, does it
uneven mason
was wondering statwise <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
Prot has no fucks to give about stats
Ilvl big win
rigid schooner
lmao fair enough
plush tendon
Would a mage ice block also work?
rigid schooner
Would a mage ice block also work?
you could prolly just pull them onto the side hoping to not get insta ded and then invis?
rigid schooner
i dont play mage so cant say lmao this is me just guessing
plush tendon
maybe like a little alter time, invis, alter time back shenanigians
rigid schooner
based on my general game knowledge
plush tendon
seems easier to me to just burn 5 seconds with a tank doing it
uneven mason
Yeah a tank can survive until everyone gets over, then mass res will catch you
verbal wren
The main way it goes wrong is some healer just has to HOT you, because reasons
plush tendon
yea, if healer fucks up... .hopfully theres another person who can res the healer and then res you
verbal wren
Doesn't happen often to me, but yeah, some healers just can't undo the HOT training
plush tendon
another thing, if it fucks up, is that a warrior can actually heroic leap from the 'frog skip area' to the third boss platform
XD
verbal wren
If it was a druid healer that messed it up they can live that drop in cat form too
plush tendon
worst case also, if you really unsure if your group can do a breaker skip.... is to just do the breakers and just delete a pull from the route
topaz field
The main way it goes wrong is some healer just has to HOT you, because reasons
hots dont trigger combat
i literally have my adaptive swarm jumping towards those mobs damaging them and i am not in combat
toxic gyro
how do you skip the last 2 breakers then?
You can mind sooth them both too if you have priest and go around them
verbal wren
I tihnk it's if the healer hots you after combat starts, right?
then it does?
Idk, I have had druids hot me and get put in combat when I try that skip a couple times
uneven mason
worst case also, if you really unsure if your group can do a breaker skip.... is...
Killing mobs faster than scuffing a skip
dusky canopy
so I have the Ignore Pain macro, my mouseover kick, heroic leap, charge/intercep...
Yooo I never considered having charge and intervene on a mouse over together that’s actually huge brain! Going to yoink that lol
what are you doing with heroic leap in a macro?
uneven mason
Yooo I never considered having charge and intervene on a mouse over together tha...
Poor cur
dusky canopy
Oh word @ cursor
uneven mason
Getting @ for macro
uneven mason
I also @ Cursor ravager
With a alt mod, either @ self or @ cursor
You'll be shocked time it saves
dusky canopy
Yeah I’ve never tried to do @ cursor for abilities like that I know it’s recommended but I kind of enjoy seeing exactly where I’m dropping it with an obnoxious circle. I guess I should really just train my eyes to keep track of the mouse better and learn the more efficient thing to do
misty moss
Yooo I never considered having charge and intervene on a mouse over together tha...
it's just @slow bayor
lol that name tho
urban bane
Ravager moves faster than you think; I’ve had few if any issues @ cursor-ing. Even if it is off slightly it’ll correct pretty quickly
I was slow to start using it because of precision concerns. But it honestly saves a lot of time and potential frustration of canceling the set up because you pressed a different button before you left clicked
dense coral
wut? 😄
daring marlin
dense coral
dafuqq okay
undone verge
When is the CE cutoff? When 10.1 drops or when the raid drops?
uneven mason
10.1
undone verge
Alr
urban portal
undone verge
It’s gonna be tight then, we’ve got 30 hours of raid left, we’re 55 pulls in, almost through the second add in intermission
17 intermission pulls, last raid night we had 30 pulls and 14 were intermission
strong forum
once you enter p3 shes dead
legit, just get to p3 with everybody alive and shes dead
undone verge
Yeah I hear even p2 is kinda a joke. We got through p1 like super quick. Intermission is just an issue that we have some stupid deaths in p1. That the blue sides adds are living too long