i dunno even wtf to tell u if u truly think that of me lol
#protection
sick sentinel
onyx vessel
Idk you could be never know 
slow harbor
lmao
sick sentinel
standard NA group really
tropic gorge
daring marlin
lmao
That's funny considering I did a 22 Nokhud earlier and three of them were from Rag and they were blasters.
only one that goofed was the Warrior from A52 that died three times on the last boss.
daring marlin
i dunno even wtf to tell u if u truly think that of me lol
nah I just thought about doing chromie time myself cuz you get anywhere between 30-150 badges for 5 mins of work
spammable
warm plinth
I got a token today that specifically says ring
warm latch
Is the hyrja tank buster blockable with spell block?
slim dove
yes
warm latch
bet
violet flume
my bros only ruby life pools remain to time +20 then i have every dungeon portal
tame jasper
my bros only ruby life pools remain to time +20 then i have every dungeon portal
You will make it!
round pendant
yes
harsh bough
Why is it bad?
pallid quiver
It's a pretty noticeable benefit to everyone else in the party
and you're literally the only source of the tank buff, so
serene yew
does that apply to all tanks? like VDH and prot paladins etc
round pendant
does that apply to all tanks? like VDH and prot paladins etc
yes
serene yew
I play with a group to push m+ and our VDH tank doesnt use icon cause its only 408 and he says its bad for VDH
but I know nothing about DH tanking
pallid quiver
i mean if it's that low ilvl i don't really know
because you are slapping yourself
but it is still an increase to the DPS and Heals
round pendant
His loss to dps (idk if that's true) would be made up for by the fact everyone else gets buffed
serene yew
yeah thats what I was thinking
does it affect his survivability?
he uses whetstone and flame something
harsh bough
What do you mean bu slapping yourself ?
serene yew
means he is hurting himself
harsh bough
Why?
serene yew
by doing less damage
harsh bough
Oh
pallid quiver
Icon's a pretty weak-ish trinket in comparison to other things we rock, like Totem
harsh bough
okay thought he meant damaging yourself
pallid quiver
Yeah, I just meant your overall personal performance go down
harsh bough
I've been running whetstone and decoration of flame if I'm confident in survivability
round pendant
deco doodoo
harsh bough
I swap the whetstone for Granyth's Enduring Scale if I need to live
round pendant
wow that's the worst choice you could make
round pendant
Granyth is traaaaaash
harsh bough
Really? What do you suggest for survivability?
round pendant
Using your abilities correctly mainly
round pendant
All-Totem is decent as a tank trinket
I wouldn't use any "tank trinkets" tho tbh
(other than all-totem)
more damage dealt = less damage taken cause the mobs die quicker
pallid quiver
Almost all of your survivability comes from your play.
The other minor portion comes from having armor equipped
round pendant
Yeah you pretty much should never need a tank trinket to survive
if you do, you did something wrong
pallid quiver
Mythic prog is even less tank damage last I heard
round pendant
and yeah it's easier to survive in raid than m+ lol
pallid quiver
There was even less threat of death in raid when playing proper in comparison to M+
round pendant
I wish I had a premade for m+
I got so annoyed pushing towards 18-20s and just bricking keys in pugs that I'm stuck at like 2486 rating because I can't motivate myself to get 2500
strong forum
Raid tanking can't be fundamentally made to be challenging
Cuz then you'd just have even less raid tanks
urban portal
Raid tanking can't be fundamentally made to be challenging
dont forget that the raid has to be tuned around the weakest tank
pallid quiver
oh wait it's april fools in multiple wow relevant places now uhhhh
strong forum
Yup that too
pallid quiver
hey guys, i'm here to remind you that blizz needs to rework SB, it needs something to catch up to IP's 50% dr
urban portal
what about for mythic prog?
its not bad for limit testing
also makes sure you are the last one to die
so your group can focus on mechs
warm plinth
@pallid quiver This is genius
pallid quiver
I live to serve
strong forum
Yo the new patch looks crazy
warm plinth
ikr
strong forum
Can't believe they're doing that to mages
warm plinth
Is it bad that I'm worried there's not an evoker spec mentioned though
Because that means there probably is one
warm plinth
anyone who doesn't get this reference needs to stop what they're doing and go watch Tommy Boy
pallid quiver
"Please protect our perfect record of never leaking any content in advance"
mighty valley
It’s the time of year where we tell everyone you can’t tank Normal Raid unless you have 25% vers
warm plinth
I thought we'd agreed that it's 13.63% vers
mighty valley
Barbaric Training drops the breakpoint to 13.63%, yeah
pure rune
do Shield Block and Spell Block stack to block all spells for a duration?
urban portal
Yes you should cast both together
pure rune
awesome, ty!
round pendant
do Shield Block and Spell Block stack to block all spells for a duration?
spell block just lets you block spells which is otherwise impossible, you need shield block up to give yourself 100% block chance
pallid quiver
why press shield block when ip gives 50% dr tho
warm plinth
exactly
pallid quiver
lets you save a talent point for bigger dam, too, since you don't need to talent into spell block
sweet summit
why use ip for a small 50% when you can run for your life and have 100% dr
warm plinth
If you don't have to use shield block then you have enough extra rage for barbaric training
mighty valley
the point of playing a tank is to take the damage. why would you want to reduce that
wind oak
so you can dps ?
mighty valley
taking more damage means more rage, which means more damage from barbaric training
round pendant
april fools is cringe lads
coral umbra
does the pestilence gem work in m+ with the healing one?
urban portal
why use ip for a small 50% when you can run for your life and have 100% dr
That’s why vdh has the best wall in the game in abyssal leap away
sweet summit
true and not wrong
shell mortar
does the pestilence gem work in m+ with the healing one?
You mean prophetic + delirious combo?
If so, yes
Keep in mind though in real scenarios you lose damage from the pestilence gem since it's not gonna always tick it's full duration, due to mobs dying. Sims assume the pestilence gem gets full value every time
In very high keys the damage loss wouldn't be drastic but the lower the key level the likelier it is to lose uptime on the pestilence gem dot
In raid, however, go ahead
strong forum
pestilence only edges out on long large pulls, in theory
in regular short pulls, and on bosses it does literally negative dmg
onyx vessel
Doomers 
sick sentinel
Doomers <:critcake:984549832511344640>
you want to know why us boomers unironically play doom, from literal almost 30 years ago now..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsXTIvlcMG0 released 16 years after the orginal doom game came out, and the levels are like literal perfect designed.
reef escarp
Hey guys, i am new here 🙂 i have got a question and Hope you can Help me with it: i have Seen many prot Warriors who Players the 3 Stones: twilight, blood and The thunder Stone but i dont understand why the twilight Stone? Can someone explain it me Pls?
mortal brook
Desirous blood is both a damage and a heal
dusky canopy
Hey guys, i am new here 🙂 i have got a question and Hope you can Help me with i...
twlight procs your other stones
sick sentinel
3rd boss TJS humbled me once again +16 key
wiped twice to it , still completed key within 10 minutes after expire, so not all bad
didn't plan my cd's or react fast enough or somethin
dusky canopy
could of been healing too
sick sentinel
got hit by follow up green circle
dusky canopy
oh yeah that didnt help
some of the defensives require more healing than others
so probably a mix up
of both
verbal wren
got hit by follow up green circle
you can start moving out basically as soon as she starts casting JSS, don't have to wait for the circle to start
languid light
I died on her yesterday on a 20, didn't get a single heal after the pop
but eating the wave is bad 🙂
ebon geyser
that 4 piece on new raid sounds bussin
minor forge
Damn tjs
Depleted one and barely timed the second 20 with 6 secs left
First was a wipe at 20% mari and the second we had a 5 min mari fight in 3 from 60%
Rest of bosses were flawless
toxic pewter
once augmentation evoker becomes a thing, no group will be viable without one... going to be a huge shift to the wow spec paradigm and be really, really weird for a while
dawn canyon
vanguard warrior
daring marlin
No shot it's a true support class lol
sick sentinel
i want like basically every weapon mog thats gunna come on trading post (this month)
lots of weapons and they look good
twin bramble
Are there any good trinkets for prot war via sparks? I’m not using the 392 gear currently since tokens are giving 395 and can’t find another decent trinket before going into m+/raid
toxic pewter
vanguard warrior
Lol
remote venture
toxic pewter
Could be a major misdirect to Evoker Tank spec, you are right
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> WHAT'S YA NAME
EZEKIEL
round pendant
Are there any good trinkets for prot war via sparks? I’m not using the 392 gear...
no not really
sick sentinel
twin bramble
no not really
Thanks!
fervent remnant
Do you have a talent build recommendation using the mass kick ?
I don't know which point move
fervent remnant
it's not a big loss of dps ?
strong forum
no
fervent remnant
ok ty
lavish copper
why can my ignore pain go over cap?
deep spruce
Hacks bro
lavish copper
https://wago.io/HJbdun3yN I'm using this and it's regularly at 150%~
is there a talent i overlooked or something?
amber siren
I’m guessing it’s a display error given that WA hasn’t been updated in 2 years
Find a more recent one
lavish copper
hmm, well shit; i quite like this one
strong forum
its super outdated ye
its from sl s1
just hide the text on the right
the text % display, just turn that off
lavish copper
i'd prefer it if the % was just accurate xD
strong forum
idk why thats relevant at all
lavish copper
guess i have to work out how this works and remake it
lavish copper
so i know not to waste rage?
strong forum
lavish copper
if it's close to the cap, i can wait for it to go down a bit before putting more rage in
strong forum
overcapping IP is irrelevant
lavish copper
really? i thought it was important not to waste rage
strong forum
you use IP as rage dump
to prevent overcapping rage
your goal is to generate as much rage as possible
so to not overcap rage, you just dump with IP if youre close to rage cap
regardless of the state of your current IP size
lavish copper
ok, i was trying to keep my IP generally topped up
probably why my dps is low then
strong forum
itll be automatically quite high just by the virtue of doing your rotation
strong forum
probably why my dps is low then
exceedingly likely
proper rage management is the success to dealing dmg
strong forum
for example, just changing how IP worked in SL in sims, it increased dps by 60%
lavish copper
so i need to hit revenge more and IP less
strong forum
no
IP more
not less
rotation is SS > TC > Revenge
and IP is just there to prevent rage capping
your goal with revenge is to fish to reset SS
and obv dmg output, but primarily to get more rage through SS
cuz more rage means more CDS, which in turn means more rage again
if you have logs i can tell you more accurately what youre not pressing
but my suspicion is everything
lavish copper
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MRaAJ3GrYgmtXTy1 It's worth pointing out i'm a fury main, prot off-spec so my stats are fucked. but i had to tag in last week. This was the log of the night.
lavish copper
hahaha, well shit
strong forum
thats a huge reason why you do so little
your button presses seem somewhat okay
you dont waste rage
you should play this for raid
if you play this, youll instantly gain like 7k dps
lavish copper
Cool
strong forum
but then its legit just pressing more buttons
SS cpm is only 14, when it should be closer to 18
revenge is getting underutilised cuz you play barbaric training
that fucks over your rage management and SS reset potential
lavish copper
ohhhh, that makes so much sense
strong forum
youre also not pressing your CDs often enough
you have the same amount of SC and TR casts
when 1 is 45sec cd the other 1min
lavish copper
fair
It's no excuse but it doesn't help i'm raid leading xD But yeah, press more things on cd
I could have sworn i grabbed the one on wowhead
I think i was using the AOE raid one cause of adds
solemn current
Wowhead build doodoo
lavish copper
Just that one? Fair enough, changing them now
solemn current
M+ one doodoo too. Take the Nom build in the pins.
strong forum
i recommend the 3rd m+ build
solemn current
I just realized you changed your name lol
strong forum
lavish copper
ok, fixed my talents now. So just try again, press more buttons; use my rage on revenge only if SS and TC are on cooldown, and press IP if i'm about to cap.
Ty for the pointers
lavish copper
Yep, ty
I think i was using Shield Charge as a SB top up rather than dps cooldown.
Obvious mistake in hindsight
pine storm
Not sure if there's like an outdated node or something, but when i try to import the build you linked above (for raid) it only fills like 3-4 rows in the class tree and nothing in the spec one 😬
lavish copper
I just did it manually so i wasn't a pain; was already getting alot of help xD
pine storm
Cheers, that one worked 😄
strong forum
it was cuz the builds were made on the beta site
all i did was remove the "beta" in the link
updated the pin
pine storm
Ahh, yeh i was wondering since it said beta 10.0.2, if that was why 😛
strong forum
thought i had them updated to use live version months ago but ah well
lusty tiger
thought i had them updated to use live version months ago but ah well
Who is Ezekiel?
sweet summit
Ezekiel or Ezechiel is the central protagonist of the Book of Ezekiel in the Hebrew Bible. In Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, Ezekiel is acknowledged as a Hebrew prophet. In Judaism and Christianity, he is also viewed as the 6th-century BCE author of the Book of Ezekiel, which reveals prophecies regarding the destruction of Jerusalem, and the restoration to the land of Israel. The name Ezekiel means "God is strong" or "God strengthens".
toxic pewter
lol
deep spruce
Echo and cheese playing without healer in CoS +23 in mdi
Insane
Cheese with prot warrior too
sweet summit
man they really nuked last boss didn't they
sullen cipher
guys quick question what macros u basicly use for prot wars i made 2 that i realy like but i herd there are tons that make life easier
for exmple i use this 2 and they are grreat
(#showtooltip Shield Slam
/targetenemy [noexists][help][dead]
/cast Shield Block
/cast Shield Slam
/startattack
)
sullen cipher
(#showtooltip
/castsequence [@player]reset=60 Thunderous Roar, Ravager
/cast Blood Fury(Racial)
/use 13
)
eya i use stance change
and
mover charge+iner
sullen cipher
(#showtooltip Shield Slam
/targetenemy [noexists][help][dead]
/cast Shield Block...
thsi one is a realy life saver thow
strong forum
how
sullen cipher
99% shield block uptime with 1 bot
strong forum
it literally just uses sb with SS
i dont get peoples obsession with saving keybinds
strong forum
slim dove
Who is Ezekiel?
Unhinged archi arc
slim dove
strong forum
ya but i mean
sure it works
but calling it a lifesaver is
a bit much
ive played with such a macro for a few weeks aswell on accident
and i legit didnt know if i actually had it on bars or not
i dont know if i still have it on bars even rn
sullen cipher
hmm
strong forum
like, if you know your buttons it makes 0 difference
except that you cant choose to not use SB
slim dove
Yeah don't use that in raid
sullen cipher
im kinda all m+ player SO
i rarely go to raids
thast why i need less bottons to see wtf is gong on on my screen xD
mighty valley
there's less going on in raids than there is in m+
or rather, less that matters to you
sullen cipher
there's less going on in raids than there is in m+
thast what i mean in raids there isnt that much thing happening if u are not Readleading
sullen cipher
very small one in m+
- i always have to assign intrupt cc and stuff on that and this week with explosive im fucked and the sang man it so awful xD
strong forum
if it works it works
sullen cipher
eya but i was just heard ppl have like good macros that can share so i was woundering xD btw is it a good idea to use avatar and IP on single macro ? so u alawyas use avatar on cd kinda xD
amber siren
eya but i was just heard ppl have like good macros that can share so i was wound...
not a good macro
daring marlin
Explosives are healer affix
Always will be :^)
slim dove
As rdruid it keeps me awake lul
Dungeons are a snooze until bosses rn
Spend 3/4 of the dungeon just dpsing rn
lusty tiger
Wow the end of that AA was nuts
plush tendon
big debate bois.... Dark Iron or normal Dwarf; highly considering going from BE to one of the Dwarves
but I cant decide
my War's name is Bjorn if that helps 🙂
verbal wren
Plain dwarf is tech better I think with 2% crit damage, but Dark Iron can ride face axe?
toxic pewter
I personally prefer Dwarf
strong forum
normal dwarf has better customization options
and the 2% crit dmg
i legit swapped from DID to normal dwarf at the end of SL just for customisation options
blazing condor
Last years april fools icon was better but im glad its not repeated cus i hated it
sick sentinel
dark iron i think you mean possibly, im not sure that normal dwarf gives primary
verbal wren
He's saying he isn't tempted to use the normal dwarf racial as combat potion basically. I play dark iron and I do that all the time... then don't have it when I need it
sick sentinel
reduce melee taken for 8s and remove basically all debuffs.... sure... yeah....
works fo rme
- i think it stacks with avatar for making your character larger
fierce juniper
:)
mighty valley
creeped me out AND it doesn't make me want to quit discord like last year's
good april fools bit
sick sentinel
He's saying he isn't tempted to use the normal dwarf racial as combat potion bas...
i think the plan most of the time is to try to use it whenever you have a debuf, so proably at the start of a fight after like 5 seconds
i'd imagine just use it for DR is feels bad
some really nasty gross debuffs out there
verbal wren
Oh I mean the dark iron one. I know I should save it, but I pad with it sometimes
bad tank
sick sentinel
engage boss, don't deal damage to the boss, surprised when it nukes the groups
tale old as time
silent anchor
Da fuq are the names upside down 🤣
toxic pewter
wat u mean
silent anchor
toxic pewter
they move the discord server to australia
silent anchor
🤣
sick sentinel
how a shot gun works according to fear 3, i've played alot of games and seen alot of weird guns, but when i saw this i looked at it for a minute tried it once, and quit
urban bane
pallid quiver
we've got an australlian in chat
strong forum
We in straya now
daring marlin
minor forge
That. S russian
oblique kayak
THe amount of "Pala only" in keygroups is getting stupid XD
daring marlin
🤷♂️
amber siren
the groups requiring meta classes are doing you a favour by not inviting
pallid quiver
^^^
They don't know how to play if they're only running meta
Considering Pally and Warrior have, until the most recent Pally changes, went effectively unchanged, yet somehow Warriors no longer became able to do the keys they were hitting
with no changes
They'll argue that they're only going with what gives them the best chances to clear, but
waxen cradle
If everything seems upside down just stand on your head... its how I play WoW
Doing a hand stand and playing with my feet its a challenge but I like a challenge
undone verge
ʇᴉ oʇ pɹɐʍɹoɟ ƃuᴉʞool ʇɥƃᴉuoʇ sʇɹɐʇs ƃoɹd zsɐɹ
strong forum
THe amount of "Pala only" in keygroups is getting stupid XD
especially considering that just 1 month ago they would've never invited a paladin
m+ scene is riddled with hypocrits
ember token
Most funny thing is, nobody spam twitter with 'pally op, nerf pally' as they did with pwar at start 😉
strong forum
🙂
ocean yoke
protection warrior
lusty tiger
You invite pally because you don’t want to kick anything
And u spam type for a brez every time you afk die to a frontal
daring marlin
And u spam type for a brez every time you afk die to a frontal
every single time
strong forum
EZEKIEL
warm plinth
FUCK YOU EZEKIEL
sick sentinel
strong forum
FUCK YOU EZEKIEL
FUCK YOU WHATS YOUR NAME
light fulcrum
TONY!
strong forum
FUCK YOU TONY
strong forum
we swapped to straya server
strong forum
excel
mortal brook
ʞɔǝɥ ǝɥʇ
strong forum
ʇɥƃᴉɹ ɯoɹɟ ʇɟǝl llǝʇ ʇuɐɔ ᴉ
dusky canopy
,,uᴉssnq,, sᴉ uʍop ǝpᴉs dn
mortal brook
ᴉ ɔɐuʇ ʇǝll ɹᴉƃɥʇ ɟɹoɯ lǝɟʇ
austere sleet
anything we should be popping before key start? other than potion
strong forum
nothing resets for us
austere sleet
fair
strong forum
and even then, we dont have any long enough buffs
avatar would fall off 9sec after gate opens
even if it did reset
strong forum
thats some weird Ts
dusky canopy
ɹɐʍ ɟɟnq uᴉpɐlɐd ɟɹǝN
toxic pewter
Wow community is happy as long as prot warr is not on top
It’s strange and offputting
toxic pewter
I agree it’s fine with me to be honest, it’s just strange to witness the hypocrisy in action
uneven mason
Looks like we're speaking Russian today
amber siren
yeah every time i look at skyhold it takes me a split second to realise its not cyrillic
dusky canopy
¿uɐᴉssnɹ sᴉ sᴉɥʇ uɐǝɯ noʎ op ʇɐɥʍ
pallid quiver
FUCK YOU TONY
holy shit i cannot for the life of me remember what skit group this was from, or what the skit was called, but I think about it waaaaay too often
royal rune
is prot pal going to be meta in 10.1
dusky canopy
what is this no healer shit im seeing in the mdi
sick sentinel
metas are much more friail then you might think sometimes
word gets out of the boogie man fucked up the thing they are trying to do, so it turns into "huntar bad, kick"
slim dove
hunters are actually bad tho
pallid quiver
They're still not like the most big brain thing to play, but they're definitely harder (i type easier at first because me dum) to play than current Prot War
royal rune
easier?
pallid quiver
harder
royal rune
prot warr is so face smash
pallid quiver
sorry i changed my wording halfway through
royal rune
just keep shield block up
pallid quiver
smh using shield block in a world with a 50% dr on roughly the same rage cost smh
dusky canopy
mistakes are very punishing on protadin
sick sentinel
hunters are actually bad tho
hunters don't burst on combat and die to melee before they can bubble
pallid quiver
CPM on current Prot War is relatively, to its S3/4 SL version, low, too, and there's not much thinking or pace maintenance actually required
it's send CDs on CDs, press buttons
bam you're doin' most of the work there, just need to managed defensives
sick sentinel
i dunno about less buttons, sure, that helps too
dusky canopy
Current warrior feels great
sick sentinel
but i may change to a class that feels less chaose and more strategy
daring marlin
holy shit i _cannot_ for the life of me remember what skit group this was from, ...
What skit? Just makes me think of Carmela yelling at Tony. lol
shrewd grove
what is this no healer shit im seeing in the mdi
When was this?
shrewd grove
Oh shit
slim dove
enh sham/sp i assume
dusky canopy
nah two comps
slim dove
i mean 2nd/3rd would have to be carried by stuff like VE and AG
ruby vortex
just playing the meme at MDI, why not
sand hound
So I have a 415 horn and 415 Whetstone. I only do m+. Should I try and get a more of a tank trinket for higher keys? Or will those 2 be fine?
daring marlin
replace horn with a better dps trinket
sand hound
Like what? I don’t have access to mythic raid so it’s either heroic or m+ loot.
daring marlin
hunger of the pack good
sand hound
Noted! So no need for tankier trinket, right?
daring marlin
Naw. Your kit should be more than enough.
median tulip
And the tank trinkets are trash this tier
sand hound
Thanks y’all
hollow bolt
xde
floral sphinx
Is humming any good for raids? Wowhead has it as bis but I heard it wasn’t doing good…should i stick to storm infused?
sick sentinel
they went through a series of changes and it seem like storm or frost dmg +slow is best one to put with des/proph now
floral sphinx
Perfect! Thanks!
harsh bough
Tips on Kokia Blazehoof on tyrannical?
daring marlin
harsh bough
DS = defensive stance? What is IP
daring marlin
ignore pain
harsh bough
Maybe me
I just read searing wounds
it does physical dmg lol I thought it did magic
Here I am spell reflecing and spell blocking
pallid quiver
30% of your max HP
harsh bough
I see
pallid quiver
Your talents can also make a pretty notable impact on your survival
If you've been using Aegis over Imp Wall, for example, you've actually been hurting yourself instead of helping your overall CD rotation
Since you'll need the extra shield walls instead of "more shield wall back to back"
fallow osprey
can you skip the big elemental at the beginning of RLP without shroud or invis pts?
twin bramble
is it frozen OR sophic on main hand, and you can't enchant anything on shield?
shell mortar
Yes
twin bramble
ty!
my other question. am i blind, or does my 395 forbidden reach gear not have gem slots? do i have to craft something to put in slots, or is it just other gear types like M+/raid that have it
shell mortar
There's a chance for certain slots for any dropped gear to "proc" a socket
That's helms, necks, wrists, belts, rings
And some crafted pieces (necks, rings) have a socket by default
twin bramble
ah cool thanks
so its not uncommon that none of my 395 gear has gems, and there is no way to craft it in
hexed pumice
guys, a question. I got a ruby whelp shell, is it better to train the haste buff or the dmg?
shrewd grove
Train the single target nuke
steel mauve
so its not uncommon that none of my 395 gear has gems, and there is no way to cr...
if you get a weekly vault for doing m+ and raid and pvp, and choose the tokens instead of a piece of loot, you can trade those tokens for an item that adds a socket to specific pieces of gear
undone verge
Boom 19 pulls and we already saw intermission 3 times on rasz, ez kill b4 10.1
elder crag
Hey guys, is it normal for me to be pulling threat against my co-tanks? They taunt, and I have to completely stop dps sometimes because I sit at 95-105%. This isn't unusual it happens all the time where I have to stop dps and just stand off to the side twiddling my thumbs. This is not one co-tank but several tanks as we pug heroic
jagged pier
it shouldnt happen your co tank is bad
strong forum
Pug tanks bad
It's nothing unusual to pull threat from them
Im more surprised when I dont pull threat 24/7
elder crag
ok, thank you. I thought maybe it was expected for me to take a nap while co-tank does their thing
shell mortar
ok, thank you. I thought maybe it was expected for me to take a nap while co-tan...
Nah, never stop dam, just tell them to scroll wheel their taunt when it's their turn to tank
If they don't, fuck 'em
elder crag
Nah, never stop dam, just tell them to scroll wheel their taunt when it's their ...
LMAO ok!
shrewd grove
Just to put it in perspective, I tanked all of Heroic on a BDK at 397 while my cotank was a 417 Prot Warrior parsing 90+
We never had threat issues. Remind them that they generate 300% increased threat for 3s after taunting, and that there's no reason for them not to taunt right before a tank swap mechanic is going to hit them, to ensure the boss is still targeting them.
You should never need to hold back on your damage as a tank.
shell mortar
Moon moon that you?
pallid quiver
Back when I was raiding this tier, I just physically could not stop stealing aggro and pugs got mad at me for bragging about how big my damage was
like, it is a sheer fact that the other guy needs to like, just mash taunt or something if they're pulling 10K ST and I'm pulling 30k
If it's a tank you often partner with, you'll want to work with them on it somehow
Like mentioned above, threat should like, not exist as an issue overall
jovial mesa
Back when I was raiding this tier, I just physically could not stop stealing agg...
I feel you bro. Had this very same issue with my guild progressing through this raid and i don't even have torch. It's crazy how much threat you can build in short bursts with warrior if you start pressing buttons correctly.
stark silo
How tf do you survive the Jade dragon in the jade temple on M+?
Ilvl 411 but I still barely manage it on 16 lol
pallid quiver
General idea in pins, but summary is to rotate your defensives better
Have a very solid plan for how you're using your defensives or you'll be caught with your pants down and unable to recover in time
Once you've done the best you can with that, it's up to your healer to help out
Can't be a solo deal in higher keys
pallid quiver
kill the adds before you get slapped too much and get poison cleansed
That's about it
main shoal
at which stacks
pallid quiver
however many you need?
pallid quiver
Depends on how long the adds take to die
Everytime they touch you, you get a stack
so if they instantly die and you get one stack, it's probably not even worth the global to dispell
If they live for seventeen years, you'll want to cleanse whenever the ticks start to be dangerous to your survival in the long run
main shoal
kk thanks
shell mortar
Dspel on cd 👍
shy python
How tf do you survive the Jade dragon in the jade temple on M+?
The dragon? Just dodge the breath. 🤔
warm plinth
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:gVnvFB8RPJL9k3HA#fight=last&source=58&type=casts this dude at the start of the dungeon said "how are you (talking to me and my priest friend) doing 16s with blues equipped? see how it goes ig"
Enjoy this anonymous log of him. It's a treasure trove. Just when you think you've found everything, there's more.
main shoal
hi
is it usual for rets to take aggro?
Gf was playing ret and she took aggro from last boss in av
almost got killed with dragon strike
warm plinth
Mm, you should never lose aggro on bosses, like...ever.
main shoal
thank god i had taunt
warm plinth
Maybe at the very start of a trash pack, but definitely not on a boss
warm plinth
do you have a log?
warm plinth
does she have taunt bound? Maybe she's fat-fingering it?
main shoal
let me see
amber siren
it's near impossible for a dps to pull aggro off once threat has been established unless you've gone afk
amber siren
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:gVnvFB8RPJL9k3HA#fight=last&source=58&typ...
just a quick glance but shockwave is the third in damage done?
pallid quiver
Bitter Immunity in CoS
bold choice
man also wanted to make slam feel loved
w
what did he use demo on?
lime urchin
And only castes slam twice. What an odd thing to do
pallid quiver
like with the one cast, i was expecting him to use it one time in like a defensive situation
but like
he used it once on a normal ass pull it looks like
like, halfway through the pull, even
lime urchin
Wait, did he also only castes shield block twice?
pallid quiver
Listen, he took one look at my name,
figure out the genius behind it
ignore that he only hit IP 57 times still
lime urchin
What a chad
pallid quiver
hm, he's hard casting rend, too
lime urchin
Yes
pallid quiver
He picked up the key, though
so good on him for that
I was gonna go "Huh, he still managed to get 59% block rate"
then i realized that blocked hits are on bottom because he blocked less than he took raw
lime urchin
BUT maybe it’s just a new player that requires some guidance
pallid quiver
this one's so interesting to look at, because like he's talenting into Battering Ram and all
and then he does that
lime urchin
Or was he very toxic
pallid quiver
i like, gotta pick this one's brain
like, he knows to press execute, too, at a quick glance
lime urchin
Except for seeing a very experienced player in blues doing stuff most people wouldn’t do in bis gear
Then again, it surely is a fascinating log
mental scarab
@lime urchin like naowh doing CoS 20 with only shield and wep 
scarlet wedge
Does someone have a good video on how to keep Razsageth on her spot when tanking her during winds as prot warrior?(on mythic)
jagged pier
Just charge then leap she wont move
scarlet wedge
oh, ez
blazing condor
Why still upside down
lunar tide
Hey guys, I got a Bonemaw's Big Toe (398) when I sim it with upgrade to 402 as my Decoration of Flame is, it puts it as the best dps outcome. Is the trinket worth spending the Valor on tho? Or should I rather wait for smth else? My second trinket is HC Spiteful Storm, which is pretty bad for m+, but due to the ilvl, it sims for me as the best trinket I have.
amber siren
depends entirely on how much valour is worth to you, it's not a great trinket but have to work with what you have/what content you're running
shell mortar
Big toe is comparable to whetstone for my sims, only very slightly worse (keep in mind I have next to 0 mastery) so I'd say upgrade the toe
round pendant
Hey guys, I got a Bonemaw's Big Toe (398) when I sim it with upgrade to 402 as m...
I'd say a 415 big toe is significantly better than a 402 deco
icy citrus
So guys, i just droped in after some time. How long does it takes to make the ring on Nomeraturs suggested specifics?
hardy snow
So guys, i just droped in after some time. How long does it takes to make the ri...
hour-two, depends how much rares will spawn for you to get keys
icy citrus
hour-two, depends how much rares will spawn for you to get keys
Sounds great, any guide that you can suggest?
hardy snow
Sounds great, any guide that you can suggest?
farm rares to get keys, go to vault, do everything in the vault, if you miss some of the stones get them from vendor near forge in forbidden reach, if there is elemental event near froststone vualt go there, after collecting required stones use excess of primordial fragments to upgrade them, thats all, for more details check some guides on wowhead or other icyveins
royal iron
It feels so weird dumping so much of our bis secondary stats for this ring as a tank
hardy snow
its not obligatory item, you dont have to use it if you dont want to
round pendant
bruh ret paladin is overpowered
daring marlin
elaborate
amber siren
pink is just a better colour than brown
sick sentinel
brown = shit
dusky grotto
New to prot warrior. Do we use shield charge on cd? Or just to start fights
sick sentinel
both
verbal wren
Never to start a fight, use regular charge and then shield charge after you have used demo shout
sick sentinel
shield charge does crazy dmg so just send it whenever you can, with your other buffs if its possible too
verbal wren
shield charge and demo shout cooldowns line up
dusky grotto
Ok cool Ty
verbal wren
I guess in saying that I'm assuming you're not using thunderlord. You should not be using thunderlord.
round pendant
elaborate
top of the charts without even trying
in ST and AoE
and has insane self (and group) healing
cheat codes (bubble, lay on hands)
It has literally no weaknesses
daring marlin
sounds pretty pepega to say
round pendant
Nah it's a busted spec, definitely overtuned
daring marlin
yeah ok lol
round pendant
Great counter argument pal
I should clarify I'm talking about m+, dunno shit about raid
daring marlin
It's just funny bro
You're acting like they're giga busted and I find it funny. They seem pretty good, sure. Especially this week. Their ST is pretty okay but trash melts so they're inflated. Especially in lower keys.
tldr lol ok dude
round pendant
humble pulsar
Hey guys, how does prot do on mythic diurna on adds?
daring marlin
Temple overall. Seems ok to me.
Better nerf arms, he beat the giga op ret in AA!
round pendant
Hey guys, how does prot do on mythic diurna on adds?
Good enough, better than tanking boss as prot war imo
humble pulsar
Good enough, better than tanking boss as prot war imo
Cool, thanks
lunar tide
depends entirely on how much valour is worth to you, it's not a great trinket bu...
unfortunately, I dont have even my tierset upgraded just yet, so I am really cautious about using my valor. Thats why I am rather asking what should I do. if I should push the Toe to the max lvl or rather wait for another trinket to drop
twin bramble
Starting to explore m+ as a newb and am a little confused on when to use which cc. Can someone help me understand kicks v interrupts v stuns. Or maybe our cc tool kit use cases?
odd tree
Get a decent plater profile that color codes interrupts. Or just practice a bunch
real thunder
Is there a or multiple dungeons we should always take DefendersAegis over ImpenettrableWill?
twin bramble
Get a decent plater profile that color codes interrupts. Or just practice a bunc...
I got one of those but do I use all cc abilities the same way? Just to interrupt casts?
lunar tide
@real thunder in most of them you take wall, aegis is good for dungs where you need the 2 charges
twin bramble
Reading more into guides, I guess my question is what is the difference between interrupt and stun?
craggy pilot
interrupt is your Pummel, stun is your Shockwave
some casts are "protected" and cannot be kicked, but can be stunned
lunar tide
interrupt - you cancel the cast of the mob, but they still can move. stun, you interrupt, but you "root" them in place
craggy pilot
and some mobs are immune to stun entirely
sick sentinel
MDI
twin bramble
Thanks!
sick sentinel
or, no, is it over?
yup, in 1 hour
i didn't watch perplexed games alot but i for sure saw when cheese was winning
strong forum
only cuz it was 1st of april
toxic pewter
Feels like prot paladin can just like straight up die really fast, it’s kinda weird lmao
real thunder
@lunar tide So which are those dungeons was my question? Which are the ones that most people agree we should take 2 charges of wall on?
strong forum
tjs is like the only one where you can consider it
daring marlin
Feels like prot paladin can just like straight up die really fast, it’s kinda we...
wat
pallid quiver
Feels that way coming from Prot War, for sure
But that's just because Prot War just doesn't take that damage
real thunder
ty!
strong forum
until it gets 1shot from you not using a CD
slim dove
bad prot pals flop
sick sentinel
slim dove
good ones are gods.
sick sentinel
i 2 chested it
daring marlin
says what up
sick sentinel
we had a good group tho
daring marlin
45s cd like
strong forum
lmoa
sick sentinel
slim dove
also capstone vs middle of tree
sick sentinel
this looks new, i like it
strong forum
i 2 chested it
gaming
slim dove
yogi stonks ⏫
sick sentinel
i need to get 2200 so i can get a thingy to get more mog
duhhhhh
of COURSE i have to do it
that could be why, we had a 418 DH in the group
logs to said key
see like, here's a thing i don't get about reviewing logs, i have no idea what the blue verticle bar means over the graphs, looks like lust, there is alot of stuff i don't understand when viewing them on my own
scenic mural
Yogi why dont you cast revenge
sick sentinel
70 revenges is not good
median tulip
Your Vanguard's determination uptime is 23.47%, which is distinctly suboptimal
craggy pilot
see like, here's a thing i don't get about reviewing logs, i have no idea what t...
its bloodlust, but you basically dont really look at this graph thing
median tulip
There's a couple of time you're not even using your free Revenge! buff
Your Avatar use looks a bit low as well
lunar tide
guys I have a problem, where I cant really keep up shieldblock up all the time, because its like on 1-1,5sec CD when it runs out.. Any tips? I am trying to press the next charge as late as possible now, but still happens from here and there. Can you even maintain 100% SB uptime while in fights all the time?
craggy pilot
guys I have a problem, where I cant really keep up shieldblock up all the time, ...
what talents do you have?
craggy pilot
and you dont have to "wait" to last second to press, you can stack up SB duration if you press it 2 times
waxen orbit
@strong forum Hey bro swap back the channels I’m about to have a stroke
Please brother
strong forum
not within my power
craggy pilot
I run into the fray, because I have low base haste
do you run Bolster then also? because otherwise you wont get enough SB
lunar tide
and you dont have to "wait" to last second to press, you can stack up SB duratio...
i know i know
waxen orbit
not within my power
stable valve
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wADBJLX8PGR9h7HM/#fight=last&source=3
Is your mace or shield embellished?
craggy pilot
should probably run HR instead of ITF
stable valve
Just wondering why you don’t run a lariat
waxen orbit
Can run Bolster if you’re going ITF and you should still have about 90% uptime overall on SB
lunar tide
should probably run HR instead of ITF
these are my talents
craggy pilot
these are my talents
quite hard to hit high % with this build, but if you talent Bolster, or swap Into the Frey, you should be good
waxen orbit
Take the one that gives another 15 rage I say and also spell block only really needed in like
craggy pilot
waxen orbit
High RLP and fort NO
stable valve
not within my power
What IS your power?
lunar tide
quite hard to hit high % with this build, but if you talent Bolster, or swap Int...
how important tho is the into the frey with 19% haste?
waxen orbit
how important tho is the into the frey with 19% haste?
In raid, very
In M+, a little, but not as much
Block uptime more important in M+
strong forum
What IS your power?
the power of god and anime
waxen orbit
At least when you get to a difficult register of keys
median tulip
guys I have a problem, where I cant really keep up shieldblock up all the time, ...
Shield Block stacks to up to 3 times the base duration (and Bolster breaks that rule, even); just send your Shield Block ASAP and use HR, ED and Shield Charge and you should have no problem at all. I strongly recomend a weakaura to track the remaining duration.
strong forum
raid is all about max dmg, cuz the defensive side of things isnt really hard to manage outside of very specific things
as the others are also stating, just play Heavy Repercussions, it will solve all your SB issues
median tulip
Heavy Repercussions is more Shield Block uptime than 10% Haste is, always
waxen orbit
Is there any fight that matters a ton to have Spell Block though? I ask as someone who hasn’t raided this tier
I figure this late in the tier if you’re over 410 ilvl it’s not important
craggy pilot
rasz
median tulip
Rasz and maybe Dathea
waxen orbit
Word
strong forum
its not bad on diurna aswell iirc
and like, tough as nails doesnt do a whole lot in raid anyway
median tulip
Diurna adds?
strong forum
was thinking boss p2 or
median tulip
Oh I guess
lunar tide
thanks guys 🙂 I will swap it then
median tulip
Broodkeeper only ever kills me on the transition between the 3rd and 4th set of eggs (both 3 egg breaks)
lunar tide
i am thinking about upgrading my set pieces, to get more haste in
rather than trinkets
waxen orbit
and like, tough as nails doesnt do a whole lot in raid anyway
It’s only like 2.4% of damage in ST no?
strong forum
well "only"
median tulip
Shield > Weapon > Armour > Jewelry
waxen orbit
2.4 is a lot I know
strong forum
but youre not tanking all the time so it does lose value
waxen orbit
Right
strong forum
so it doesnt hurt as much to drop it
lunar tide
i have versa mastery sdhield, not good 😄
waxen orbit
Also
My boy is trying to convince me
The bleed 10% dam increase talent is better than that for raw damage whoring
lunar tide
oh, so secondaries dont matter even if I dont have a certain amount of haste?
strong forum
yes matus
waxen orbit
Wouldn’t that only be the case if you have low boss DTPS uptime?
Sorry not trying to derail to convo
Just getting back into the game
strong forum
a boss with aoe
lunar tide
okay thanks a lot @strong forum
strong forum
like eragon, council, diurna adds
strong forum
thats where you can pad with dragon roar the most
but on ST
its not worth
dont have enough points to get it
waxen orbit
Figured
twin bramble
strong forum
its in pins
waxen orbit
Oh right
strong forum
also i think its out of date
twin bramble
Question about this
strong forum
pretty sure you can spell block almost all of these things
twin bramble
Are all things under reflect talking about spell reflect?
twin bramble
Oy post the link to that
block/reflect, will be updating as dungeons are testable in mythic+
(feel free to message me about dungeons already filled in if i missed something or if something changed, include log link or ss if possible please 🙂 )
waxen orbit
Nome I’m gonna ask you because you saw me when I was a sweatlord; do you think next patch is worth putting back on my tryhard gloves or is it a sleeper tier based on the M+ rotation?
strong forum
giga hard to tell
like half of these dungeons are absolute ass
without mega nerfs
even just mechanically
waxen orbit
Thinking about maybe finally going for title again and possibly ripping off the bandaid and actually finally trying for CE
twin bramble
being actually reflectable, yes
So why are there both colors under reflect and block?
waxen orbit
Word; I figured as much with UR, VP, and BH
craggy pilot
maybe talking about this color?
twin bramble
So a green one under reflect can be reflected by shield block?
strong forum
huh
craggy pilot
no, reflect is always Spell Reflect
strong forum
left coloumn says if you can spell reflect it
twin bramble
Gotcha. I guess that’s why I was confused. Why there are shield block colors under reflect
strong forum
right coloumns says if you can block it
there are no reflect block colours
whatever that means
it just means "NO you cant"
OH
NOW I GET WHAT YOU MEAN
craggy pilot
no, there are colors for "Blockable", but the color used for the Reflectable column is the same, which confuses 😄
strong forum
youre wondering why reflect yes is also green
thats just to say yes
instead of no
has nothing to do with shieldblock
twin bramble
Okay. So sorry hha
Was reading key and was same color.
Makes sense. Appreciate it
strong forum
but yeah @waxen orbit up to you if you wanna go for title, shouldnt be a problem but the season as of right now doesnt look like a fun one
a great season for tmog tho 
waxen orbit
Would it be more worth to invest in CE or title next season?
waxen orbit
For sure yeah
plush tendon
does Stoneform work for Lui Flameheart in Temple?
strong forum
no
plush tendon
waxen orbit
Plus I already got title from S2 of SL and I feel like no season is gonna be harder for prot than that was
Yeah CE is the play
strong forum
Plus I already got title from S2 of SL and I feel like no season is gonna be har...
agreed
the thing that sucks tho, is, is that title is accwide
waxen orbit
Idk lowkey it’s nice having it on alts but like
Probably hella deceiving for people to see that on a fresh 70 on a spec I’ve never run a key on
Is the most efficient way to find CE guilds recruiting tanks the channel in this server?
Or are there servers dedicated to that type of recruitment?
slim dove
better off playing dps with offspec tank.
eventually one of the two tanks dip for whatever reason and you make your bid
strong forum
getting into a CE guild as tank right off the bat is hard to do
atleast on the higher end
but i think if you get some 99s should be easier
waxen orbit
What if I had 99s last expac
And I’m returning now
Granted 2 of those are heroic logs
Do CE guilds tend to gaf about previous logs
Or are they essentially null
prime sphinx
sure if u were away a season and didnt play old logs are useful to see
hc logs are pmuch irrelevant outside week 1/2 tho
slim dove
it really doesnt matter, most CE guilds aren't gonna oust their tanks for some app with good logs
unless those tanks are consistently having issues on bosses (which 99% wont cuz tanking is a joke)
strong forum
lots of idiot RLs/Officers dont care about previous things
there are alot of dumb guilds out there, but i cant speak about my own experience cuz i only ever played in 1 guild
jagged pier
if u hope ppl go purely off your dps numbers thats dumb
its also incredibly dumb to do it as well
waxen orbit
I’m not; it’s just that the topic of 99s got brought up
I’m gonna do some digging for some guilds; thanks lads
cerulean tusk
Personally, I check their week to week log progress. If you were 99 and now do 3. Maybe you were 3 and now do 99. Ofc premium is 99 since week 1.
Then I check attendance. Not 100? Worry some.
Finally I check how and why you die.
jagged pier
i mean if your 80+ as a tank your fine u should just then look at defensive play
which 99% of RLs cant do anyway
they think they can
waxen orbit
What I found last year when I was looking for guilds is that a lot of the time, healers would often underperform and that would pretty consistently hinder the ceiling that tanks could reach in terms of damage and performance
Uncertain of if that’s still as common a thread
craggy pilot
Personally, I check their week to week log progress. If you were 99 and now do 3...
where do you see "attendance"?
cerulean tusk
Uncertain of if that’s still as common a thread
Tanks will only die from their own mistakes atm. If healers don't top you within the 5-10 sec frame, I will then question why. Why did the tank not communicate for externals/spot healing? Maybe healers ignored the tank, then why again?
Anyhow, blaming your cotank is more likely the safer bet
jagged pier
nah i literally die to not being healed all the time because i usually dont take damage so when i do i never have any attention from healers
waxen orbit
That's what happened to me in SL
jagged pier
P3 of raz for instance I dont get healed like ever
waxen orbit
And it's what drove me away from raiding
cerulean tusk
Did you communicate the 1000% heal increase call: I am going to die
cerulean tusk
Man, I feel ya. Time to reroll BDK
jagged pier
no
waxen orbit
Hell no.
toxic pewter
cerulean tusk
cerulean tusk
BDK is the real tank spec, don't need no healers 
cerulean tusk
Define fuck up
waxen orbit
Refusing to heal tanks
cerulean tusk
I mean, why would your spot healing not want to go on the tank? Maybe the healer is just annoyed you don't use shieldblock or something. Hard to say
waxen orbit
Oftentimes, I don't find that to be an issue; it was usually just the belief that tanks should be running full defensive builds and tank trinkets, even if a fight didn't call for it
Which, I get it, but at the same time, that's hindering prog by severely limiting the level of damage that a tank can pump out
Which can be a lot
10% additional DPS from an individual player alone can be the difference between pushing a phase or not
toxic pewter
honestly the bdk being immortal thing is way overstayed its welcome and its time has come for blizzard to really clamp down on this. They never were like that originally, obviously they self healed a lot, but they were never immortal gods to begin with. Something has been 'off' about the bdk situation for far, far too long imo.
cerulean tusk
If healers can't keep you up, put on that dstance untill the raid as a whole takes less damage from less mistakes. Play the long game. Once the overall dtps is down, you can again push more.
waxen orbit
but our defensive build is our dps build
I'm speaking from SL; I had a raid lead tell me to run bolster despite 99% SB uptime
waxen orbit
If healers can't keep you up, put on that dstance untill the raid as a whole tak...
That's the more intelligent option tbh
strong forum
RLs never have an idea about tanks
jagged pier
even then my statement was correct just because your RL doesnt know that doesnt change the fact
strong forum
ever
cerulean tusk
Well, did you ask why RL wanted you to take bolster - as you already had SB uptime?
waxen orbit
Yes; they said that it was because AM is a "DPS talent"
All of it essentially boils down to
toxic pewter
lmao
cerulean tusk
No, why take bolster, did you ask?
waxen orbit
I did and he just said "it's more defensive"
cerulean tusk
Oh dios mio
toxic pewter
in some countries you are actually arrested for saying AM is just an offensive talent
waxen orbit
i never heard that
There were a good 3 raid teams I had which parroted ideas like that
jagged pier
then they are aweful raid teams
waxen orbit
Had RLs also say that if you aren't running tank trinkets you're trolling
waxen orbit
Even when the damage profile of bosses in SL 5-6 weeks post tier release never really called for that
cerulean tusk
Just tell the RL if that happens that he doesn't understand your spec. Then talk to a middleman to tell your RL what is up if he is still going. Then finally, do what he says, but leave the team after the reset.
jagged pier
I mean its not that hard to prove them wrong u just run dps trinkets and not die
waxen orbit
See I did all of the above, and it oftentimes just lead to further conflict
slim dove
reminds me of that one pwar tank that got zero direct heals on mythic senn
and RL/healer core said he was playing badly
cerulean tusk
You left the guild after trying all the options.ya did what you should and could. Gg
jagged pier
yer that was fun AA
waxen orbit
and RL/healer core said he was playing badly
That is quite literally what happened to me like
All the time bro
jagged pier
came in here to try and say we were wrong
slim dove
THE RAID LEADER COMING IN HERE
waxen orbit
No shot
jagged pier
lets not give the tank all the credit tho there was lots some things he could have dont better
which we did also say
waxen orbit
Healers when they actually have to directly heal a tank (They will never face repercussions because it's a social taboo to ever criticize a raid healer)
cerulean tusk
THE RAID LEADER COMING IN HERE <:keks:936231610850897992>
Seen that like 3-5 times in log review. They never like it when you don't agree with their analysis.
jagged pier
as I said most RLs dont know what they are looking at
waxen orbit
Are you on EU?
cerulean tusk
EU yarp
waxen orbit
Yeah that's why