lvl 10 DH literal can't be killed any more
#protection
slim zinc
Not even an Italian chef can understand the spaghetti
sick sentinel
and mana burn
dusky canopy
Not even an Italian chef can understand the spaghetti
plush tendon
Ive been told thats its 'smash buttons, and hope you did something right'
sick sentinel
so, you sent your hero in, thats cute, -200 mana
plush tendon
but Silence sigil is poggies
slim zinc
Ive been told thats its 'smash buttons, and hope you did something right'
Depends on the build, vdh has both the easiest of any tank builds and one of the most difficult
plush tendon
especially on the Court Imps
plush tendon
Depends on the build, vdh has both the easiest of any tank builds and one of the...
'looks at warrior' well I wouldnt say easiest
dusky canopy
Just making sure we recognize this statement, so true
plush tendon
SL was more fun
slim zinc
'looks at warrior' well I wouldnt say easiest
It definitely is easier, you practically can't misplay it
plush tendon
but also more frustrating
sick sentinel
i think demon hunters are awsome
slim zinc
Banner was peak warrior
dusky canopy
Peak gamer
slim zinc
It's all down hill from there
slim zinc
It was
plush tendon
but current war is much more user friendly
sick sentinel
like, if i didn't play warrior and i didn't play paladin, or dk, i'd play DH first over many other clases
sick sentinel
its like a better rogue that can tank
dusky canopy
Oh and fix execute damage
slim zinc
I wish vdh was as easy to figure some stuff out as warrior
plush tendon
Oh and fix execute damage
we should have a fatality mech for Prot!
Revenge applies Fatality!
dusky canopy
Yo right!
slim zinc
I found interactions that are so weird that I don't think I can explain them within the discord word count limit with the new vdh tier set
old sinew
Not sure if cap but ya I don’t really get VDH. Just soul cleaving randomly. 🤷♂️
dusky canopy
Or like excute has a small chance to smoke the mob you hit with it
Minus bosses ofc
old sinew
Even BRM at least makes sense to me
old sinew
Mad that I can’t post pepehammer here
dusky canopy
I found interactions that are so weird that I don't think I can explain them wit...
Fracture > soul cleave > fracture > soul cleave > fracture > immolation > soul cleave > fracture > soul cleave > 😮 omg > Meta
Winning as VDH ^
dusky canopy
Mad that I can’t post pepehammer here
Yeah sadge random absuing emotes got them banned
Long time ago
slim zinc
Fracture > soul cleave > fracture > soul cleave > fracture > immolation > soul c...
I see a distinct lack of spirit bombs 👀
modern brook
slim zinc
Can't be vdh without going brr
fervent smelt
What crafting are must have ?
I see on wowhead saying tha rimal moten longsword + defender is priority crafting but they dont' see to have anything special on them
oak echo
they're just close to BIS items that you can put haste+whatever on
and those are 2 items where ilvl matters more than any other slot
fervent smelt
Would you say those two make a big difference ?
Unstable Frostfire Belt
Allied Wristguard of Companionship
Teh wrist I was gonna take but the belt, gettign the sould cna annoying
lusty tiger
Wtb slands execute with banner
sick sentinel
havoc dh is part of balanced kesytone comp
slim dove
no.
oak echo
the souls take almost no effort to get now that they changed the soul inhaler. but you don't need it if you don't have the raid rings
slim dove
flippy retard spec is troll never invite havoc
crystal mauve
the souls take almost no effort to get now that they changed the soul inhaler. b...
I never noticed they changed it, farming those souls solo was a pain no reason lol I need to learn how to read
oak echo
the inhaler now puts a 30 sec debuff on them and you just have to kill them within that time. and it has a 5 min cd instead of 15
uneven mason
TFW I just jumped into m+ on my pal and was 400 in a few days, had to level a second warrior to take advantage of the primal loot
dusky canopy
Definitely nice qol to be able to hop into 16s right away with the boa gear
Might have to give pali a shot finally
uneven mason
the inhaler now puts a 30 sec debuff on them and you just have to kill them with...
So I don't have to pray that ravager kills them while I channel
crystal mauve
Yeah that’s pretty cool to catchup easily now 🙂 getting ready for next tier! 3K IO and CE in the bag I’m done for the season, working on Alta and helping friends now
dusky canopy
So I don't have to pray that ravager kills them while I channel
10% > Demo shout > ravager > dragons roar > Channel soul inhaler
It was pretty chill before
uneven mason
Was still annoying to set up I guess
slim dove
Might have to give pali a shot finally
dont youll feel gross
my buds 404 ret was finishing 80k+ every dungeon last week with 0 class knowledge, just hit shiny button
fervent smelt
About the crafting, I see that it's possible to get some "Embellishment", wowhead says that lariat can get it but I don't have the option in the crafting order.
Should I embilished the sword and shield instead ?
crystal mauve
Lariat has a proc attached to it which is the embelishment itself
fervent smelt
So that means I cna only get one more no matter what ?
If I were to get the belt and the raid wing, it woudln't work out then ?
tame jasper
I‘m only at 23 atm, but skipping the senrinals I‘m doing since 12 or so as they are not worth the count
slim dove
So that means I cna only get one more no matter what ?
the lariat counts as an embellish, so yes it takes up one of your slots.
raid ring + belt is a fine second
fervent smelt
I'll wait to get ring then
slim dove
Every embellish works out to about 1% so dont stress about it too much
fervent smelt
Haste/vers for all the missive on crafted right ?
slim dove
or haste crit, theres arguments for both.
if you intend to play arms at any point, go haste/crit
fervent smelt
Wouldn't it play against me in higher m+ keys ?/
fervent smelt
I play fury when i go dps, would it be the same ?
fervent smelt
Ok, thanks.
uneven mason
Vers, the stat that does what primary stats do but worse, but we need it because.... I'm sure there's reasons
slim dove
bring back multi-strike 
uneven mason
Because needing another stat that does what crit does
"multi-strike - makes you do double damage....but it's different than cri....wait no you're right it's just French vanilla crit, rather than vanilla vanilla"
slim dove
remove every stat but haste so my rdruid can hit 60% sheet haste
gonna enter s2 with bfa corruption levels of haste, game is dumb
uneven mason
Eh, I think going to a system of having tertiary stats be regular would be great
slim dove
nah just remove speed/indestructible
make it avoidance/leech only
let us add tertaries through some ingame mech
and nerf leech for healers a tad
uneven mason
So you have primary (power) secondary (just one, haste mastery and crit) and tertiary (leech, speed, vers-defensive side only)
urban portal
Vers, the stat that does what primary stats do but worse, but we need it because...
vers is fine
it works on borrowed power, trinkets, and give DPS some semblance of tankiness
also sets the baseline for secondary stats
but yeah multi strike is just less healthy version of crit
cerulean tusk
I love versa, lets me survive things I shouldn't. Not only does it stack well with leech/avoidance. It gives so good shield/damage value on the ring and trinkets. Build crit/vers and look them numbers fly baby 
cerulean tusk
Grieftorch value in pug raids 
uneven mason
but the gems are also hasted
old sinew
Vers, the stat that does what primary stats do but worse, but we need it because...
Versa is a stat that makes you more better without having to break out a calculator to figure out what it is doing
urban portal
that too
also specs like ele shaman is so wonky with stats
that having vers as a baseline is good
strong forum
if your class wants both vers and mastery, its cringe
any class that doesnt want haste is also cringe
urban portal
vers mastery is def the most cringe
old sinew
Mastery is only cringe because it’s been neglected for so long. And because the scaling is bad. There’s a universe where mastery is a cool thing we just don’t live there
old sinew
Like BDK mastery is cool.
urban portal
its base value is too high
old sinew
Imagine if p war mastery was like “chance when attacking or when struck to gain outburst”. That would be cool
strong forum
mastery as a whole needs to be reworked imo
old sinew
Block is just residentsleeper since we have 100% block
Yes we have crit block but that’s like… zzzz
crystal mauve
Imagine if p war mastery was like “chance when attacking or when struck to gain ...
That would be absolutely insane lol
urban portal
Block is just residentsleeper since we have 100% block
block is there so mastery isnt useless when block is down
thats all
strong forum
Our mastery or mastery the stat?
the stat
uneven mason
Literally ignoring 2/3 of what the stat does
urban portal
they dont want your mastery to be textless when block drops (very real in SL)
uneven mason
Like our mastery isn't just block
urban portal
thats why they gave DH mastery passive armor
and then double it when you activate spikes
uneven mason
It's critical block, and attack
dusky canopy
The game could definitely do without Vers imo
dusky canopy
Mastery is neat but could be better in most classss
dusky canopy
It’s weird that you don’t want your classes “mastery effect”
urban portal
so they go vers as a midground
urban portal
mastery ranges from crazy good to useless
doesnt interact with any part of the kit (like crit and haste does)
dusky canopy
Right witch is just weird to me
cerulean tusk
It’s weird that you don’t want your classes “mastery effect”
Most cases you want the mastery effect. Versa also modifies the value mastery, works neatly together
dusky canopy
I would think every classes best stat would be what their intended “mastery” is
urban portal
like for ret pal, mastery is literally just vers
dusky canopy
But it’s not the case
urban portal
I would think every classes best stat would be what their intended “mastery” is
the fact that DH has like 50% of their damage as non chaos is pretty cringe
without the talent
old sinew
doesnt interact with any part of the kit (like crit and haste does)
Alter boring masteries to be more fun. The concept of a mastery isn’t bad just specific implementations. BDK mastery interacts with their kit heavily with mechanics like bloodshot
strong forum
90% of cases mastery is just another conditional dmg increase
for tanks its an atk power increase
urban portal
tanks have cool masteries
strong forum
for healer its literally 0 dmg increase
urban portal
dps does not
crystal mauve
like for ret pal, mastery is literally just vers
it's worst, you don't have the DR/healing component
urban portal
it's worst, you don't have the DR/healing component
its also cheaper so its a wash
strong forum
healers literally avoid mastery like a plague for keys
cuz it doesnt increase dmg output
old sinew
for healer its literally 0 dmg increase
Then again attack power increase to healer mastery.
dusky canopy
Yeah witch is just weird design
old sinew
Healer masteries are dumb sure
cerulean tusk
Mastery is critblock, armor, bloodshield, health, and so on. Saying it is only AP is kinda ignorant
dusky canopy
old sinew
Bear mastery is just versatility with a different coat of paint though 😱😱😱😱😱
strong forum
so is paladin mastery
old sinew
I hate bear mastery so much
dusky canopy
Nom and “ignorant” regarding warrior conversation now that’s funny
old sinew
😱
cerulean tusk
Perfect for the damage spounge fantasy of a bear
old sinew
Bear mastery was jsnk and then they replaced it with versa 0.8
dusky canopy
I guess if you take a step back and look at the total value of what the mastery effect does the overall opinion could change
The issue is everybody wants the most damage
strong forum
dmg output is a huge reason why we dont "want" mastery
dusky canopy
And if they just made everyone’s mastery do damage in X way it would be boring
strong forum
you want some of it because its effectively a larger gain
dusky canopy
So that’s a tough design path for sure
strong forum
you want some critblock chance
urban portal
fire mage has the coolest mastery
strong forum
i dont like stats that are only good when you get shitloads of it
dusky canopy
Agreed
cerulean tusk
DH do more damage and runs faster, clearly the winner
crystal mauve
Everyone wants more damage because it's the limiting factor in most cases. If keys didn't have a timer but only a completion check you would maybe have some amout of defensive aspect being considered more to survive the highest key levels. Not sure it would be an interesting gameplay experience tho
dusky canopy
It would be nice if some how any stat was valuable
I’m some sense it can be
But not exactly
old sinew
It’s just boring. Bear has versa, versa, crit, and haste. You can only get so much haste and crit. Bear is weak to magic so I kind of need passive versa or versa 2 to help live those
strong forum
bdk is funny
they want everything
just /roll which stat you pick on your crafted gear
doesnt matter
just everything
dusky canopy
I kinda like that though tbh
Every piece at higher ilvl is a win
It’s kinda like that for us true
Because main stat
But the class in our case feels noticeably worse with less haste for example
crystal mauve
just /roll which stat you pick on your crafted gear
I like haste/x cause BDK with 0 haste feels sooooooo sloooooowww
strong forum
well sure
id do the same
cuz i play for fun
(and to do big number on dmg meter)
cerulean tusk
Just go bear. Max HP build with new tier. Healer cast one heal at you for 200% effect. Ez life
dusky canopy
Sounds kinda pog
cloud nebula
Question: using the 424 onyx ring, i see freezing ice stone is BIS for single target, but what if we have a 421 ring from eerong would it be better to use the fire stone to have some proc chances?
cloud nebula
alrighty
uneven mason
Ppm stuffs and math
strong forum
you have ~80% saturation of eragon ring with just belt
increasing that by 20% wont make up the loss of flame licked
cloud nebula
copy! thank you for the information
fervent smelt
Is the ring a big boost ? I was gonna farm the key but they nerfed the drop rate to hell.
Ddin't have time to read that
strong forum
working on a pin
uncut thunder
Is the ring a big boost ? I was gonna farm the key but they nerfed the drop rate...
I would say read the pin and see where you are at. If you currently have the best rings such as Eranog it might not be massive but for most it is.
strong forum
Is the ring good?
TLDR is the worse you are the better the becomes because it procs on its own without relying on you to do your rotation really well.
__For Raid: __
The ring is bis on single target with Freezing + Desirous + Prophetic stones DPS combo
Storm + Desirours + Prophetic wins on cleave and is still pretty good on ST, also usable
For M+:
This ring is no longer viable for m+ once you have 440+ socketed rings.
fervent smelt
I need to get it. I farmed on two alts 30 keys in 1h30 ans now 1h30 is maybe 3 keys
5 at most
Thanks for the info
strong forum
you can send keys over from other characters
theyre account bound
not character bound
fervent smelt
I might get all the 6keys that I can from alts that won't be having the rings
strong forum
ye
gloomy vortex
Can you freely change the gems on the ring for raid/mythic or need a second ring?
thin silo
2nd base ring is pretty cheap though
strong forum
i mean sure
crystal mauve
What cool mastery would be nice to have if the one we have didn’t exist? What about the tier set we have now but on steroid? Im just curious to know what cool idea you guys have 🙂
strong forum
if you have enough fragments you can just farm 2 rings up
anything related to rage gen
gloomy vortex
So if I had one ring I would need to use the anvil when I raid/mythic to change gems
strong forum
make critblock a usable button, nelth fury, turn mastery into rage gen increase or smth
that makes things hell of a lot more interesting
uncut thunder
So if I had one ring I would need to use the anvil when I raid/mythic to change ...
Yea you need to be in the camp to switch Gems.
The alternative is to make one for ST and one for AOE.
gloomy vortex
When we expecting 10.1?
dusk oriole
strong forum
its so you divert atleast some people away from playing on launch so the servers dont die
like, youll have several million people try to login at the same time over the world
this shits gonna be rough
old sinew
how close is close to be honest. the absolute maximum distance D4 launch could be from a major DF patch would be 3 months. And it's looking to be what, 3 or 4 weeks away from the launch of 10,1? That's about a third of the maximum possible distance, which seems fine to me
dusky canopy
like, youll have several million people try to login at the same time over the w...
Or you know have a single player option
strong forum
more like 1 week
dusky canopy
🧠
strong forum
at best
dusky canopy
plush tendon
__**Is the ring good?**__
TLDR is the worse you are the better the becomes becau...
by top tier tanks.... what does that mean?
violet flume
tanks who execute their rotation as good as possible
strong forum
hes just memeing
plush tendon
does that mean like 'have a score of 3k' or like 'you and Andy troll 25s on your 370 alts'
dusky canopy
by top tier tanks.... what does that mean?
If you ain’t first yer last
ricky bobby
violet flume
if youre a derpyboi and you just press shiedslam and nothing else youll get megavalue from annulet
if youre a gigachad that does perfect rotation and 20 mob pulls everytime annulet wont be as big of a contribution to your dps
plush tendon
ok got it
violet flume
since it's a static +X damage every few seconds no matter what
plush tendon
cause Ive actually been super curious about the value of the ring for keys
strong forum
i mean i literally gave examples
1.8% for if you play borderline perfect
more if you dont
you gotta feelycraft that cuz im not gonna write sims worse to emulate bad play
dusky canopy
I think the fact that its even a slight increase for top tier tanks makes it pretty much a no brainer decision for anyone else
viral elk
Increase is increase. Number go big. Make loud dps to red name. Feel happy.
dusky canopy
plush tendon
At least with my feelycraft, the bigger you pull, the less damage that the ring contributes; so like in a dungeon like AA Im considering dropping it for my stat ring, but for a dungeon like RLP where the pulls that matter are smaller, id use it
strong forum
yes
the more targets you add, the worse ring becomes
but thats not a concern for most
cuz its still a gain for em
plush tendon
I just wish they had like half the stats of a normal ring on the onyx thing
lavish ridge
isnt it a good idea for such situations go on the defensive side like gaining barier doing dmg ehn you get bariesr and having imo aura when gianing barier ? just asking
plush tendon
where you could choose 1 stat
potent gulch
__**Is the ring good?**__
TLDR is the worse you are the better the becomes becau...
healing combo is a play!
dusky canopy
“Not recommended”
potent gulch
heal more then raid healers ;-!
dusky canopy
potent gulch
im not gonna include that in there
but thats fun
dusky canopy
thats the healers job
Preach
potent gulch
atleast something new
dusky canopy
Yo wait
Can we do the no healer keys with healing combo
Lmao that’d be something else
potent gulch
imagine full raid with heal combo - you don't need healers
strong forum
the "have borrowed power heal the group" meme always gets brought up
but its always terrible
potent gulch
we ran 21 sbg with 3 heal rings without healer.
plush tendon
I mean, with the right classes, you can run a 26 without a healer
lavish ridge
with paladin
dusky canopy
What do we want??
5 tank keys
When do we want it??
now!
strong forum
youre not gonna get 5 tank
dusky canopy
strong forum
but youre gonna get something else 5 in s2
strong forum
not by me tho
dusky canopy
strong forum
just my other tc buddies
potent gulch
imagine full raid with heal combo - you don't need healers <:peepoHappy:67343634...
you just need to everyone enchant leach
old sinew
After all this time d4 is almost here 🤤
violet flume
During avatar, if i want to prioritize maximal dps on M+ trash with 3+ mobs (thus 30% more revenge damage), should i just spam revenge > tclap > revenge > tclap.. or should i still use shieldslam for more rage/lower avatar cooldown due to anger management?
strong forum
Keep sending SS
Unless ofc rage gen is so high that you can skip out on SS casts and there isn't a prio target
violet flume
on 5+ mob pulls rage gen isnt much of an issue for sure, like on the 5 dummeis in valdrakken i can keep spammign revenge > tclap with no SS
just did a test and i got 6 shieldslams in tht 20sec avatar, so -12s reduction to avatar
oak ivy
on M broodkeeper ads, is there a way to avoid/drop the armor strip or do I just kinda have to eat it
strong forum
Can only eat it
oak ivy
strong forum
Rage is never really an "issue" but it's not always the best option to just spam revenge and ignore SS
You always play the long game
This is still my cpm in a mega pad AA run
old sinew
Oh? What’s this? They moved up the test time for M+ testing?
mighty valley
I only drop SS on truly giga pulls like AA trees
strong forum
Thursday - Monday
mighty valley
~5 targets I'm still slamming
old sinew
@ work, any big homies want to give us early reports of VP and the new affixes?
potent gulch
look
strong forum
strong forum
From how many people
Cuz, before fix, 1 ring could do that
Maybe it's a log from before the fix
strong forum
Aight so post fix
strong forum
Wowhead comments is one of the most toxic comment sections bar none
sick sentinel
You fluffy teddies need to smell the coffee, let the real tanks do the job and just stay cute.
someones mad
strong forum
*bad
old sinew
MARK OF URSOL OR RIOT 😡🐻
old sinew
Druid mains are angry
Tbh I don’t hate the state of bear it’s like one ability away from being something I could main again
Just need something to deal with magic damage
Blizzard is seriously pepehammer by making an entire tanking spec have a weakness of the most common damage type for tank busters (magic damage)
If Blizzard going to keep making fights like Shade of Medivh or melidrussy then they need to stop with this idea that Bear should be useless against magic
😡🐻
strong forum
The whole shtick of "magic dmg is a healer mechanic" is bullshit
When you have CLEAR DESIGNS that handle magic dmg absolute differently
cough bdk cough
old sinew
BDK is so fun no cap
strong forum
Never liked bdk
old sinew
BDK only major weakness is getting gibbed. But it comes with purgatory so even that is like, not as glaring
Well and less dps
dusky canopy
Me neither I try it literally every expansion and I just don’t like it
old sinew
But that’s tuning not design
dusky canopy
I think this expansion has been the best version of BDK for me but I still don’t like it
strong forum
dusky canopy
Pali as much as I hate to admit is a great alt for Prot war mains
At least imo
A lot of buttons on both classes can go in the same binds and function similarly
The biggest differences are the group utility
Witch we don’t have ofc
Obviously subjective
grizzled kite
"• We want to reduce the cognitive load we're putting on players with affixes with the removal of the seasonal affix and the pacing and design of our new affixes. The intent is to slow down the rate that these affixes trigger and to tone down the required response from players dealing with them"
cognitive load
old sinew
No thundering next season
I doubt we will see trash like AA trash as well
Only dungeon with tons of kicks is halls of Infusion? First boss trash?
grizzled kite
just funny word usage
grizzled kite
who even thought affixes were mentally draining
uneven mason
Only dungeon with tons of kicks is halls of Infusion? First boss trash?
Literally not looking forward to that dungeon, the trash is toxic af on m0
old sinew
I mean… I dunno, you get shitty overlaps that people don’t know how to handle sometimes
uneven mason
Who's looking forward to poison frogs in fort weeks
Because you know continually pigeonholing healer comps with the same required removal
daring marlin
Pali as much as I hate to admit is a great alt for Prot war mains
Pally is absurdly fun.
Trivializes certain boss mechanics.
uneven mason
Protadin, fun until your friends catch you riding one
old sinew
Frog boss with the afflicted is going to be sus. You get a Druid healer and party expect Druid to handle all poison Dispel and solo the afflicted
fervent smelt
pally got so many interupt, cheat death and heals
daring marlin
"Hyrja shield? lol ad"
fervent smelt
Frog boss with the afflicted is going to be sus. You get a Druid healer and part...
I though those poison couldn't be dispel by anything ?
daring marlin
storm? lol sac someone every time
dusky canopy
Pally is absurdly fun.
Yeah getting ready to play one tonight first time this expansion 
I don’t know how I’m going to feel about AS not generating holy power but we’ll see
old sinew
I though those poison couldn't be dispel by anything ?
Huh? Gulp frog poison is a poison
daring marlin
you get used to it, nbd
dusky canopy
Sl s3 protadin was sick I loved that so hoping this feels similar and is better
uneven mason
I don’t know how I’m going to feel about AS not generating holy power but we’ll ...
You won't notice it because sentinel has like 40% uptime and causes judgement to produce 2 hp
fervent smelt
Huh? Gulp frog poison is a poison
We're talking about the tiny frog that put a poison dot on you that instal kill you after 10 of them ?
dusky canopy
You won't notice it because sentinel has like 40% uptime and causes judgement to...
Sweet so I’ll still be spamming SotR
Big numbers boys
daring marlin
I had a Hunter give me an Eye of Skovald earlier. Pretty pog.
uneven mason
Paladins arnt quit to war or druid levels of apm but I found I could just mousewheel sotr and w through 16s
daring marlin
Haven't bound something to mousewheel since bc prot warrior
uneven mason
I keep the off GCD stuff in the same binds
old sinew
We're talking about the tiny frog that put a poison dot on you that instal kill ...
Yes it’s the same mechanic as timeless isle gulp frogs they’re literally called gulp frogs again iirc
dusky canopy
Haven't bound something to mousewheel since bc prot warrior
I usually put slows on mouse wheel back, potions on mouse wheel click, and 2nd movement on mouse wheel forward
The exception is paladin where I put blessings on the mouse wheel as mousover macros
fervent smelt
Yes it’s the same mechanic as timeless isle gulp frogs they’re literally called ...
I tried to dispel those so many times and didn't do anything
fervent smelt
Remove corruption ?
old sinew
It is 100% poison I’ve self dispelled it
dusky canopy
Haven't bound something to mousewheel since bc prot warrior
Some weird shit people do is put spenders on mouse wheel that is wild to me but hey it works for them
dusky canopy
Omg
strong forum
new affixes look great
fervent smelt
new affixes look great
Yes so great, can't wait.
crystal mauve
SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND
It's ok as long as we melee hit for about 350k 👍
strong forum
its fine, just adds a few extra keylevels
old sinew
strong forum
only a few
old sinew
We line of sight thst shit lol
fervent smelt
They can't be one shot anymore ?
fervent smelt
It's a bug right ?
dusky canopy
Still a healer affix
strong forum
no
dusky canopy
They just have to heal through it now
strong forum
its intended
dusky canopy
🧠
fervent smelt
The explosive as well ?
strong forum
its intended that explosive has alot of hp now
strong forum
is legit skip the week
crystal mauve
It deals "only" 40% of you HP so technically you are right, it's a healer affix, just heal through it, it doesn't one shoot. What are you guys complaining about? 🥸
dusky canopy
Yeah no problem boys were chillin
fervent smelt
Tehy won't go live with those, people on ptr are going to complain so much
dusky canopy
Still healer problem
strong forum
Tehy won't go live with those, people on ptr are going to complain so much
just watch em
uneven mason
"we heard the community feedback that mythic plus affixes are annoying and pushes people away from the content, so we're going to be old blizzard and double down going full idiot mode, because go buy Diablo 4, Because season 2 is going to be a shart car express.
dusky canopy
old sinew
Gulp swog instead of gulp frog same shot
lusty tiger
Can I please Ion get my visions back that I have to complete to keep up with the content
dusky canopy
https://twitter.com/jpctheman/status/1641493044880117761 <@223602488597544960>
This deserves a pin with the biggest thumbs up image you can find below it
old sinew
1 every 30seconds is fine
Yeah 1 every 30 seconds is fine 2 is absurd lol
fervent smelt
This deserves a pin with the biggest thumbs up image you can find below it
Atleast tank won't get blame for wipes 😄
fresh igloo
does anyone know if they made the explosives cleavable and/or macro targettable with this change?
crystal mauve
You blame the boss
uneven mason
1 every 30seconds is fine
1 every 30s per mob, explosives can now spawn explosives
dusky canopy
“Why did you pull 3 packs and get us killed” still tanking the 3 packs while the group runs back, sips tea
uneven mason
“Why did you pull 3 packs and get us killed” *still tanking the 3 packs while th...
Why'd you die
dusky canopy
Should of kicked more
strong forum
does anyone know if they made the explosives cleavable and/or macro targettable ...
for sure not gonna be the case, no way
also the hp will scale with keylevel
100%
lusty tiger
Scuffed
daring marlin
they said explosives wont spawn as often but uh
Is this the second coming of tanky bfa explosive?
uneven mason
Explosives week is going from a push week to a skip week
lusty tiger
This week sucks wdym
strong forum
Is this the second coming of tanky bfa explosive?
way way way way worse
uneven mason
Is this the second coming of tanky bfa explosive?
Legion
daring marlin
Fury Warrior and DH were the kings of whack-a-mole
strong forum
new explosive has 700k hp
daring marlin
that shit was aids
uneven mason
Bfa explosives is when they got nerfrd
strong forum
not 10k
lusty tiger
700k is not too bad if you only get 1
uneven mason
So here is my issue with explosives with that many hp
crystal mauve
also the hp will scale with keylevel
I guess that's ok as long as they set a cap or something to avoid having studip number like this. If it's not intended to be one shoot it make sense to have more HP in a +20 than a +2 but there should be a cap or something...
strong forum
https://i.imgur.com/V3ygHuX.png
"dont play m+"
uneven mason
Designing affixes that slow you down
daring marlin
https://i.imgur.com/V3ygHuX.png
"dont play m+"
uneven mason
It stupid shit
dusky canopy
If damage from explosive scales with key level were quitting
uneven mason
It will
lusty tiger
It really does feel like they test everything 100ilvl over @strong forum
crystal mauve
" New Affix: Entangling – While in combat, entangling vines snare players. " Because everyone love to be slowed and die to a swirly or whatever mechanic when you couldn't get out 👍
dusky canopy
Well boys
uneven mason
But yeah like this takes the affix from a mechanic you have to react to, to something that is literally there to waste time
dusky canopy
It might just be a D4 summer
lusty tiger
" New Affix: Entangling – While in combat, entangling vines snare players. " Bec...
Druid player must be behind the creation of that
dusky canopy
When’s season 3
dusky canopy
Any announcement?
daring marlin
D4 gonna be gr8
strong forum
s3 is winter
daring marlin
idgaf
crystal mauve
Druid player must be behind the creation of that
Watch that Bear tank swap to cat and die instantly lol
lusty tiger
Couldn’t they just remove affixes
uneven mason
Like these all legit sound like fucking time wasting affixes
lusty tiger
Give us encrypted
dusky canopy
Yes they are
lusty tiger
JUST encrypted
uneven mason
That's not respecting my time like they kept talking about Early on
daring marlin
people talking about encrypted
fervent smelt
Watch that Bear tank swap to cat and die instantly lol
People where considering with cancel form to go faster but even then, they put a gcd on it now
dusky canopy
Ion said in a recent interview he doesn’t see a world we’re affixes are positive he wants them to slow us down
That’s literally what they want
daring marlin
I missed everything after midway s2 sl
uneven mason
Ion said in a recent interview he doesn’t see a world we’re affixes are positive...
He said he wants them to be something we have to react to
lusty tiger
Encrypted was the most fun thing I’ve ever experienced in m+
uneven mason
If they design them to just waste my time I'm fucking done, m+ is literally the only thing I do
lusty tiger
Encrypted every season idc
strong forum
cant have fun
dusky canopy
let’s give ‘em entangled and giga health explosives
strong forum
sorry
dusky canopy
Fucking 4head man
Shit drives me nuts
Why do they have to make my game worse
Make it better
Not worse
lusty tiger
suffer we’ve never done past a +20
strong forum
they think annoying = good
dusky canopy
Game should EVOLVE
daring marlin
Best seasonal
But Awakened!
dusky canopy
Evolution typically means better
crystal mauve
I could see a world with only seasonal affix that gets harder the higher the key or something. Take thundering below +4 you just have the 5% HP bonus, at +7 you get the debuff to clear (if you don't you take the damage but not stun) at +10 you get the stun and damage if no clear. And you don't have anything else that get's in the like god damn sanguine and whatever
uneven mason
Explosives if it's 1 per 30s is just going to be ignored and healed through unless they make them assured one shot
lusty tiger
There should only be affixes for padding, healer/ dps spitefuls
uneven mason
Like fuck that time sink
uneven mason
But the snare
dusky canopy
So give us big number
uneven mason
They're fucking full willfully stupidity on that
Just nope
Like "yo dawg we heard that you wanted to not stack paladins so we made an affix that forces you to stack paladins or suck a dick for 40% of the dungeon"
dusky canopy
Rip lfg
old sinew
One kick counters each shade and they have 20 second cast time? That’s not horrible. You have a long time to figure out how to deal with it
dusky canopy
yo guys let’s make mythic plus less enjoyable, that’ll increase participation for sure
crystal mauve
It feels like next MDI they are just going to make an all affix dungeon "It's so cool! Look how miserable they are trying to have fun!"
dusky canopy
That’s the angle
lusty tiger
bolstered fortified mobs getting sanguine ticks
prime sphinx
make it spawn in the pack and make it aoe'able
dusky canopy
How hard can we make it for 500 players in the world
can’t have people doing +35 keys again
lusty tiger
can someone explain to me what the bfa s3 affix did- emissaries i think it was called
jagged pier
*yo guys let’s make mythic plus less enjoyable, that’ll increase participation f...
its not been enjoyable since end of legion, because they havent changed it and only made it harder
dusky canopy
its not been enjoyable since end of legion, because they havent changed it and o...
I fully agree with this statement sir
It’s been slow devolving since it’s introduction
Imo
Harder isn’t always better
But they seem to think so
It’ll still be my main form of content just like it has been since legion but just sadge that it always gets worse
jagged pier
they really ruined it in BFA cause they made low keys harder adding fort and tryan (which ppl couldnt deal with) and no incentive for higher geared players to do them because they didnt drop leggos or anything
it wasnt main content in legion
it was hope in if u want
which is what i did
and how i like it
jagged pier
i dont like having to farm it every week
dusky canopy
That’s the kind of content we want
jagged pier
i have nothing against ppl that do enjoy its just not my thing i have to do it to raid
and i hate it
because of that fact
and pugging
dusky canopy
Pugging is something else currently
lusty tiger
u think DF s1 first 12 wks is the hardest m+ has ever been?
dusky canopy
That’s a tough one though, want content to be realistically puggable but not brain dead
daring marlin
u think DF s1 first 12 wks is the hardest m+ has ever been?
Probably. Tough dungeons and super shit affixes.
dusky canopy
u think DF s1 first 12 wks is the hardest m+ has ever been?
Had to re read that I read SL not DL lul
Yes imo this is the hardest it’s been from a pugging perspective
lusty tiger
lusty tiger
multiple dungeons needing 3+ nerfs
dusky canopy
We feel comfortable in our 20 keys because we’re used to the challenge
The average player is fucked
Try pugging your way from +2 to +16
Lmk how that goes
lusty tiger
i wonder what would happen if they made a m+ solo shuffle queue for +16s and +20s
w an ilvl req
dusky canopy
As soon as you hit +10 and introduce thundering it’s game over unless you get lucky haha
No solo que dungeons above heroic
Ever
strong forum
it would be an INSANELY toxic cesspool
ocean bloom
the main issue will be you would get shit like groups with no lust
or groups with out X dispel for a dungeon
lusty tiger
it would be an INSANELY toxic cesspool
part of the appeal
strong forum
people will literally leave insta when they dont see meta comp
lusty tiger
like sex appeal but... angst appeal
dusky canopy
No way, Im an advocate of them forcing us to communicate kinda how the lfg system is now
Mythic+ should not be automated
That would be a horrible experience
Image you que into tyrannical +20 NoK the healer who’s rating is high enough to que from other keys gets in and it’s grevious/explosives
And no lust or brez
amber siren
Communicating in lfg tool is joining a group, saying 'hey' and no one says a word for the next 30 minutes
lusty tiger
i say howdy
dusky canopy
Communicating in lfg tool is joining a group, saying 'hey' and no one says a wor...
Fair assessment
lusty tiger
so u know that i speak english
dusky canopy
i say howdy
Bro same
fresh igloo
i hear "meowdy" is the approved greeting these days
lusty tiger
LOL
lusty tiger
I kick people who won't talk
lusty tiger
because you must know at this point what happens when you start a kew w somebody who wont type
strong forum
i see it popping up more and more
lusty tiger
apparently there was a reddit post
fresh igloo
tier list memes. something about that being an auto kick so now everyone is testing it
and a friend is a feral druid so he's
uh
committed to the bit
prisma crane
so, anyone else as not surprised that blizz's initial implementation of these affixes is as bad as it is?
lusty tiger
nomes still on myspace
strong forum
im growing into a boomer
dusky canopy
so, anyone else as not surprised that blizz's initial implementation of these af...
No they’ve been doing way to good so far something had to go wrong
prisma crane
its so bad that they're either trolling or extremely incompetent
strong forum
didnt know what rizz was for a good month
old sinew
I mean to be fair “start hard and nerf until it’s fair” is typical blizzard
prisma crane
and only further enforces my argument for wanting positive affixes, annoying shit =/= fun
strong forum
(also think its fucking stupid)
lusty tiger
(also think its fucking stupid)
rizz?
prisma crane
(also think its fucking stupid)
lol urban dictionary is your friend
dusky canopy
Literally me when I here someone say bussin
prisma crane
ability to pull girls
strong forum
rizz is just a new word for having game
dusky canopy
Exactly
prisma crane
I mean to be fair “start hard and nerf until it’s fair” is typical blizzard
i mean i can give explosives 10M hp too, with that logic, its stupid, why not try to implement correctly the first time and iterate instead of completely gut
dusky canopy
Exactly
prisma crane
until 3 spawned and they just died
uncut zephyr
Healer affix 
amber siren
finally, the healer affix we always wanted
strong forum
if its 3 you use defensives
prisma crane
thats terrible design
prisma crane
worse than original quaking
uncut zephyr
Just rally the % health damage
prisma crane
and incorporeal can spawn like 4x in a pull
also, w/ explosives still being immune to aoe, we can only SS and AA them lmao, its so shit
uncut zephyr
so incorp is just an AOE stop check?
prisma crane
cant aoe stop them
old sinew
so incorp is just an AOE stop check? <:bedge:882323848844963860>
Can’t ae
prisma crane
no, they're immune to aoe anything
lusty tiger
pls can we make a petition for just encrypted
dusky canopy
Bro ffs
uncut zephyr
Kind of based tbh
old sinew
Timeline where storming is a free affix compared to all these other affixes lol
prisma crane
also saw like 3 afflicted spawn at once
uncut zephyr
this is what happens when you let ranged players design affixes
prisma crane
so if dps dont also help, you're just negative haste
old sinew
also saw like 3 afflicted spawn at once
How much HP do they have?
toxic pewter
Say 'meowdy' again. Say 'meowdy' again, I dare you, I double dare you mfer, say meowdy one more gd time!
lusty tiger
Say 'meowdy' again. Say 'meowdy' again, I dare you, I double dare you mfer, say ...
howdy mr meowdy
uncut zephyr
oh so you can't heal them up, nice
dusky canopy
Meowdy here
old sinew
i think it was like 1.2M i can recheck
toxic pewter
prisma crane
let me confirm, im no fan of any of this shit but i at least want to be accurate
old sinew
Just a casual 120k HPS required per add lol
uncut zephyr
Give warriors dispelling shout
toxic pewter
warrior should get a shout that makes enemies attack eachother
uncut zephyr
super manageable then pog
prisma crane
other than just being huge and glowing, there's no nameplate
so ppl have to manage to click them or MUST have mouseovers
lusty tiger
ill trade sanguine for necrotic back
dusky canopy
Palibro stonks
uncut zephyr
stinky paladins just cure them anyway
old sinew
10 seconds to heal the afflicted it’s definitely beatable with HPS if dispel is on cd
prisma crane
and incoporeal just recast when you interrupt them (shorter silence now from kicks btw)
dusky canopy
10 seconds to heal the afflicted it’s definitely beatable with HPS if dispel is ...
Yes assuming they don’t have to heal anything else though
lusty tiger
u know what explosive should do
amber siren
oh yeah i forgot about the kick changes
prisma crane
so if you dont min max the interrupts it can be like 6 interrupts per
lusty tiger
100% heal absorb on everybody
uncut zephyr
so if you dont min max the interrupts it can be like 6 interrupts per
that's fucked up
prisma crane
Yes assuming they don’t have to heal anything else though
and they're not abundantly clear
old sinew
These affixes are nuts though like honestly how can you have vanilla ass storming with these juiced up “seasonal affix” tier level 7s
lusty tiger
storming is also poop
dusky canopy
Storming is basically a non affix at that point
uncut zephyr
"Everything you want to interupt is on a cooldown anyway" 🤡
old sinew
Storming is poop but it’s free compare to see
amber siren
can't wait for even more visual pollution in my m+ where i have to run a weakaura pack to have any clue what the fuck is going on 
lusty tiger
let me tank this massive pack wihout moving for the love of god
prisma crane
im still, and will always be, on team positive affixes, i will die on this hill
this is just aids
clever ginkgo
Explosives is the only omega aids affix this week imo
prisma crane
Explosives is the only omega aids affix this week imo
we're talking about PTR affixes for S2
dusky canopy
Explosives is the only omega aids affix this week imo
Bro you haven’t even been filled in ptr explosives have 700k hp
clever ginkgo
Ohhhh my b my b
prisma crane
all g
dusky canopy
Np np
clever ginkgo
I take it they’re not great? Lol
old sinew
I’m not going to say I want purely positive affixes but these affixes do need a kiss for how absolutely cursed they are
old sinew
Like the afflicted if fully healed should burst HPS to the whole party or something like that
dusky canopy
To put into rough context a dps ends a key with roughly 200m damage done
Now add 50 explosives with 700k hp
Or more
prisma crane
Like the afflicted if fully healed should burst HPS to the whole party or someth...
if i can't get my all positive, i would at least take this, they mentioned kiss curse and just did curse curse instead
crystal mauve
they 100% ignored explosives
We go back full circle, healer affix again lol
clever ginkgo
Affixes should be challenging but also not completely intrusive on gameplay as they are now, especially explosives. It feels like they started with affixes as more small added flavor to dungeons and now they’ve just become disruptive to gameplay
dusky canopy
Added flavor is exactly the kind of affixes we want
prisma crane
Affixes should be challenging but also not completely intrusive on gameplay as t...
the bigger issue at hand is that dungeons themselves already have enough to have to handle, annoying affixes on top of it only compound issues
dusky canopy
That is absolutely not what we got
prisma crane
legion dungeons compared to DF dungeons are
lusty tiger
thundering should have worked like stack w same(or opposite) polarity gives you a damage buff while stacked, and maybe a slow or small dot while not
dusky canopy
You practically do legions version of m+ blind folded in comparison
clever ginkgo
Agreed @prisma crane I just think there’s a place for affixes somewhere except they need to be far less intrusive and more of something that adds flavor to a dungeon and makes it slightly different than the last weeks run
old sinew
That is absolutely not what we got
Exactly. I assumed we would get 1 afflicted every 30 seconds. 2 incorp that can be ae stunned every 45. Not this nonsense
uncut zephyr
Old affixes changed the way you thought about the dungeon, these change the way you think about your comp + life decisions 💀
clever ginkgo
I think affixes are nice when executed correctly
prisma crane
and should be positive, positive affixes can add flavor too
clever ginkgo
They make mythics not feel like the same thing every week
And yes I agree
I wish they did more risk-reward affixes
clever ginkgo
Like ok here’s something completely intrusive but now you get 30s off your major cds
dusky canopy
Oh shit
clever ginkgo
Bad example but you get the idea
dusky canopy
Encrypted
lusty tiger
risk: ragnaros hunter kills vi
reward: premade dps kills uhr first
clever ginkgo
Lol, did I accidentally quote an affix
dusky canopy
Ye basically
prisma crane
encrypted wasnt even really a risk, just reward, and that's why it was a good thing
uncut zephyr
Prideful/Reaping/Encrypted would be better affixes than any of the new ones
clever ginkgo
I literally have never heard of that one lmao
That sounds like an awesome one though
But there should be risk involved imo
The point of higher keys is the challenge
prisma crane
the keys scale infinitely
clever ginkgo
And if they’re all supplemental to your gameplay it just feels weird
lusty tiger
By the time encrypted came out they had pushed all the players to quit the game due to dog shit systems and time wasters
clever ginkgo
Like a mini game
prisma crane
99.9% of players cant complete a 25 key with zero affixes
lusty tiger
Encrypted is a hidden gem that the entirety of the m+ community doesn’t know they NEED
clever ginkgo
Yeah I just don’t want it to come down to being stat checked at higher keys
dusky canopy
Encrypted basically gave you 3 orbs in a pack depending on what orb you picked to kill it would spawn the corresponding mob then killing that mob gave you the corresponding buff, those being haste, cdr, speed/invis
prisma crane
we dont need artificial challenge for the sake of challenge or it's just going to be annoying
old sinew
encrypted wasnt even really a risk, just reward, and that's why it was a good th...
It was only reward because hunter pet, hunter being meta, pet taunted deconstruct nullifying the intended difficulty. I don’t think Urh was meant to be as free as he was. Vy certainly wasn’t free
clever ginkgo
Interesting
uncut zephyr
I'm not sure we needed more affixes where the failure punishment is just instant wipe
prisma crane
Yeah I just don’t want it to come down to being stat checked at higher keys
they can fix that by having the dmg scale at a slower rate than HP, this way having players get stronger in a key can compensate teh additional HP but you can still avoid the BS one shots
lusty tiger
God forbid I pull 3 packs on an explosive tyrannical week
clever ginkgo
Ok I could be on board with that idea
I just wouldn’t want dungeons to come down to perfect gameplay and stat checks
That’s not even a video game at that point
old sinew
Also Wo added a forced kick on pulls and that was fine. Blizzard are just being ducking Pepega having multiple forced kicks on every pull on top of what’s already there
prisma crane
no cuz stat checks arent inherently difficult either
dusky canopy
Remove kick in pve
lusty tiger
Give us more uhr, more snapping ledges, more big packs, less needed kicks
prisma crane
you should have to pull bigger or be agressive to make timers, instead of this slow and steady they keep trying to create that directly conflicts with a timer based system
old sinew
Remove kick in pve
🐸🔨
dusky canopy
lusty tiger
Remove CC DRs in m+
clever ginkgo
Yee, I would just be afraid if all the affixes were supplemental and only assisted you in dungeons with no risk involved, they would only have the dmg and health as modifiers to make it difficult
dusky canopy
Remove CC DRs in m+
🧠
prisma crane
we have individual pulls in some current dungeons that have more kicks required than a 4x pull from Legion
clever ginkgo
But I’m not saying I don’t like the idea of supplemental affixes
old sinew
Remove CC DRs in m+
Thissssss oh my god why is cudgel actually a downside in PvE? Getting stun Dr from cap totem is so dumb
clever ginkgo
Just not all 4 being supplemental no risk-reward
prisma crane
Yee, I would just be afraid if all the affixes were supplemental and only assist...
i think it could still work though, its basically a roguelite then
lusty tiger
Blizzard doesn’t even explicitly show mob spell timers or current DR state for cc
dusky canopy
This alone would make it much more enjoyable
Yeah for sure I’m memeing about no kicks but definitely fewer
clever ginkgo
you should have to pull bigger or be agressive to make timers, instead of this s...
Also I completely agree
uncut zephyr
if a non boss mob needs more than one person to solo kick something went wrong in the design process
dusky canopy
Word
daring marlin
if a non boss mob needs more than one person to solo kick something went wrong i...
fax
lusty tiger
if a non boss mob needs more than one person to solo kick something went wrong i...
Can I introduce you to halls of valor
dusky canopy
They only do kicks because they don’t want us to pull 25 mobs and aoe blast them down
prisma crane
that or they also need to give range shorter interrupts, sucks to be forced into prot pally + melee only
clever ginkgo
i think it could still work though, its basically a roguelite then
Well when you put it like that it sounds awesome, if they went in the direction of making dungeons rogue-like that would be absolutely incredible
clever ginkgo
Damn that’s a great idea Krotos
lusty tiger
It’s called shrouded
clever ginkgo
Roguelike m+ sounds like so much fun
lusty tiger
That’s your roguelike
clever ginkgo
What does it do
mighty valley
roguelikes work because success is not expected for a long time and repetition is varied and expected
prisma crane
i think it's a lot harder than it sounds, but yea that would be cool, but i just mean let the higher keys be the challenge, not just extra annoying shit to manage
dusky canopy
It gave you a stacking secondary stat buff of your choice
lusty tiger
Choose a secondary stat during the key timer, kill special mobs to stack the buff of that stat
clever ginkgo
Ooo that could be interesting
mighty valley
how on earth was shrouded roguelike at all. it was the same buff every time
clever ginkgo
Specialty mobs
uncut zephyr
Shadowlands seasonal affixes were all pretty good tbh
clever ginkgo
Optional but include buffs
prisma crane
roguelikes work because success is not expected for a long time and repetition i...
thats my only issue with it as a dungeon, i didnt intend for M+ to go that route, i dont think it would work, unless it was a different Mode altogether
uncut zephyr
aside from the pride skip cheese
dusky canopy
Rogue lite would be more like torghast powers randomly dropping from m+ mobs
lusty tiger
how on earth was shrouded roguelike at all. it was the same buff every time
Just make it a different buff instead of a stacking stat
dusky canopy
Random every time
clever ginkgo
Choose a secondary stat during the key timer, kill special mobs to stack the buf...
Ahh ok
lusty tiger
Like torghast options from the shrouded mob
mighty valley
thats my only issue with it as a dungeon, i didnt intend for M+ to go that route...
yeah, I love the idea of "wow roguelike" overall but you can kind of see in torghast how they're not developmentally set up to make it work
clever ginkgo
True brew
urban portal
yeah, I love the idea of "wow roguelike" overall but you can kind of see in torg...
yeah itll be very imbalanced between specs
prisma crane
yeah, I love the idea of "wow roguelike" overall but you can kind of see in torg...
it would just require a whole system instead of a side thing tied to power, it could be really cool, but would be a shitload of dev work
especially if you could carry over buffs from dungeon to dungeon throughout the week
so your "push" is a weekly endeavor and not something thats key to key
clever ginkgo
Yeah that’s true, the amount of calculating how 1 item alone would affect every class and spec would take an unreasonable amount of time
Idk, there’s just gotta be better affix designs out there
Like explosives just make dungeons so unfun
dusky canopy
I think in world where m+ only scales in health and damage, we have random powers dropping from mobs and maybe add a single seasonal affix, we would be big chillin having a blast
mighty valley
this is a really difficult topic overall because if you "listen to player feedback" you'll get a repetitive frictionless experience because at the end of the day, players want a consistent loot pipeline
but you absolutely shouldn't turn the game into that lol
prisma crane
Yeah that’s true, the amount of calculating how 1 item alone would affect every ...
not unreasonable, they just have to take the time, torghast is proof they can go down that route, tehy just need to give it more and iterate instead of abandon
old sinew
roguelikes work because success is not expected for a long time and repetition i...
Exactly. A big problem with M+ is player expectations. People have convinced themselves winning should be the default rather than a triumph.
clever ginkgo
I think in world where m+ only scales in health and damage, we have random power...
The only problem is the extremely high key pushers would complain about the top runs being rng based
crystal mauve
we dont need artificial challenge for the sake of challenge or it's just going t...
It seems that what they think is challenging " New Affix: Entangling – While in combat, entangling vines snare players. " Is literally only annoying. Best case scenario it's annoying, worst case scenario it's deadly... Where is the fun/challenge here? I need to be lucky not to be rooted at the time/place...?
uncut zephyr
it's ok to have the affixes sometimes, but when it's something you have to deal with every pull it becomes draining
mighty valley
It seems that what they think is challenging " New Affix: Entangling – While in ...
do you actually know how it works
clever ginkgo
it's ok to have the affixes sometimes, but when it's something you have to deal ...
Exactly, perfectly put
dusky canopy
The only problem is the extremely high key pushers would complain about the top ...
Yes that’s a fair point leaderboards would be largely rng based
prisma crane
It seems that what they think is challenging " New Affix: Entangling – While in ...
that my point, annoying =/= challenge
clever ginkgo
not unreasonable, they just have to take the time, torghast is proof they can go...
True
old sinew
It seems that what they think is challenging " New Affix: Entangling – While in ...
It isn’t a root and you can likely Avatar the tether away
clever ginkgo
Agreed 100% krotos
And like it’s a hard balance because challenging things are inherit my more annoying
But it’s about finding that balance
mighty valley
you just need to move 10 yards. it's basically nothing for melee players, except in some edge cases where a 50% slow is impactful. but that's tuneable
prisma crane
the timer can be a challenge alone, i understand ppl want variation, but we dont have to reinvent the wheel
hell, what if one affix was just doing the dungeons backwards?
clever ginkgo
Yooo
lusty tiger
hell, what if one affix was just doing the dungeons backwards?
thatd be cool
crystal mauve
It isn’t a root and you can likely Avatar the tether away
Even if it's a snare, the idea is the same. It's not challenging, it's annoying. It doesn't improve my gameplay experience in any way and I don't want to interact with it
dusky canopy
Alright can you boys educate my brain what do you mean with =/=
clever ginkgo
New weekly rotation lol
mighty valley
Alright can you boys educate my brain what do you mean with =/=
"does not equal"
lusty tiger
shorter timers, easier dungeons- allowing larger pull imo should be their redesign philosophy
prisma crane
shorter timers, easier dungeons- allowing larger pull imo should be their redesi...
simple > easy
dusky canopy
"does not equal"
Thanks I was reading that as equals divided by equals and I knew that was just stupid lol
clever ginkgo
I just want spice to my dungeons
lusty tiger
simple > easy
simple like less needed kicks and stops
clever ginkgo
Is that too much to ask
prisma crane
you can make something simple but challenging, but its hard
lusty tiger
and less CC immune mobs
clever ginkgo
What if they made affixes tied to a buff
prisma crane
and now i like the idea of a backwards dungeon affix
clever ginkgo
Like modifiers on the hades video game
More damage taken but more damage delt
Dealt
prisma crane
vengeance
lusty tiger
elemental reflect like in path of exile