protection

[uneven mason]

Shield charge is used for damage

So you use it after avatar and demo shout are up

[copper igloo]

should i use it even if im in melee?

[uneven mason]

As long as you're in close to the proper spec and have double time there will almost never be a situation where you won't have charge or heroic leap to close distance

[uneven mason]

Always

[copper igloo]

ok ty 🙂

[uneven mason]

So best advice I try to tell all new prot warriors, focus on maximizing DPS, because our offensive priority leads to our defensive priority

Oh and shield block is our main mitigation while IP is a "dump rage and don't think about it" mitigation helper

Since occasionally there is some confusion and we get warriors with 30% blocked hits and 100% rage spent in IP

[plush tendon]

Shield Charge may have charge in its name, but its more like a big AOE cleave button

the movement and stun portion of it are just nice bonuses

[crystal mauve]

Also shield charge looks cool AF 💪

[ionic roost]

Rend should be on your bar for SMBG

[sick sentinel]

first try mount

[tropic gorge]

11/10

[old sinew]

Because of bone maw?

🤢

[uneven mason]

If it wasn't true

[hollow bane]

Is there a List which Rare Drops which raging tempests gear in reach?

[strong forum]

probably on wowhead

[sick sentinel]

guess i have no choice now but to do fire stuff

[minor forge]

Am I the only one that plays like a braindead during cos?
I cannot do a clean run in there no matter what, especially till the first boss

[strong forum]

complacency is dangerous

[shrewd grove]

The amount of buttpulls from DPS before first boss in CoS is mind-numbing to me

It's every single run

[old sinew]

Nope. I do not take CoS seriously and the trash leading up to first boss is always sus

[blazing condor]

dont think ive ever had a clean CoS

[old sinew]

It’s sort of the Balance factor that makes CoS engaging, you don’t take it seriously until a few mistakes force you to focus up, lol

[slim dove]

when you heal cos you really notice it

[minor forge]

Yeah, bosses are never a problem, but god damn the asspulling trash is a given in almost every key(at least the 18 19 range)

[slim dove]

people just mental afk the entire dungeon

happens until 21+ range

[uneven mason]

I just pull it all before they can

[faint mica]

do you guys already had issues on SBG 1st boss? sometime he pretty much rekt me and I don't get why

didn't checked logs yet (I'm not home)

[hard dust]

any tips on handling the 3rd boss in Temple? unless I had a major CD she killed me almost every time she did the Jade Strike

[verbal wren]

Coordinate with your healer on cooldowns. Spell block can also cover 2 of them.

[uneven mason]

Plan your CD

[hard dust]

wait thats counted as a spell not a strike?

[topaz latch]

hey all. in CoS, is the enforcer's fel detonation reflectable? in some google doc it says no, but i tried it and it worked? i think?

[uneven mason]

It does magic damage

[sick sentinel]

No its not reflectable, you can reduce the damage by 20% with it tho

[uneven mason]

No

[hard dust]

but if I talent into spell block, I can block it then at least

[sick sentinel]

Yeah you really want to run spell block in TJS

[uneven mason]

Yes and if you time spell block just before it goes out you'll get 2 of them

[uneven mason]

Firekick and dark claws

Like it's a 100%

I've just started leaving splock in place and not missing the passive damage

So I don't forget to grab it

[sick sentinel]

I play spellblock in every dungeon

[hard dust]

think I may need to be doing that myself

[velvet lichen]

I belive spellblock is the best option in all keys

[faint mica]

any tips for SBG 1st boss? I must do something wrong but Idk what
or is it just very inconsistent damages?

[velvet lichen]

the boss gets a buff where he does insane magic dmg on the meele swings

you should track that and see the stacks

[faint mica]

and how do we avoid this to happen nor how do we deal with it?

thanks for the info tho

[velvet lichen]

no avoiding

unless you kite but thats dps loss

you play around it

[faint mica]

oh ok then just cd so

[sick sentinel]

You press spell reflect

[velvet lichen]

reflect does work there

ideally you reflect the 2nd hit

[faint mica]

it's just magic dam on swing?

[velvet lichen]

Natty -> reflect -> natty

this way you gain ignore pain and health back for the natty swings

and if you are in danger you can wall and spellblock

[faint mica]

perfect tyvm

[sick sentinel]

Feels really RNG whether she hits you sometimes or casts something

i made a new bad transmog for fire items

[velvet lichen]

the cast is rng, the hit is on meele swings and you can parry it

[uneven mason]

Helm on tauren 🤮

[lusty tiger]

Is there a reason there’s no furry channel so that I can post pictures of my cat and dog

[dense verge]

I've an 18 AA, only timed one 18 this season, random question is it worth taking bitter immunity for tree and bird boss?

[lusty tiger]

No

Also try and make sure one of your paltry members have a poison dispel

[dense verge]

Ok, no worries. Just wondering if it was worth swapping something

[sick sentinel]

fire belt is made now 405 > 418

[unkempt rover]

according to pins - is this "Storm Infused Stone/Desirous Blood Stone/Prophetic Twilight Stone" still the best combo?

[sick sentinel]

What is ITF?

[amber siren]

For M+/AoE yeah

[amber siren]

Into the fray

[sick sentinel]

is it any good?

[unkempt rover]

also, does anyone which family storm is from? can't see to find it online

[lusty tiger]

In raid it’s great

[sick sentinel]

new to prot and i see its on my current talents

but m+?

[lusty tiger]

Are you using wowhead talents?

[sick sentinel]

the shield block bonus seems pretty good

dorki ones

[lusty tiger]

Idk what that means

[sick sentinel]

its just a streamer

[lusty tiger]

Are you like a t3 sub and he Morse coded them to you

[amber siren]

you'll be running heavy repercussions (HR) in M+ to keep shield block up at 100% uptime, ITF has gaps and isn't consistent since it always needs allies or enemies nearby to keep 5 stacks up

[sick sentinel]

haha nah just watched a quick yt guide

[sick sentinel]

thanks 🙂

[lusty tiger]

Would highly recommend pinned talents for m+ and jakeyplop’s Warcraftlogs talents for raid

[amber siren]

In raids ITF is the default unless you need more SB uptime for something like Broodkeeper boss tanking

[sick sentinel]

this is what i run atm then

not sure if i want thunderlord instead

of ram

[amber siren]

yeah that's pretty standard, can swap pain & gain for bounding leap if you want the reduced CD but that's personal preference'

thunderlord desyncs demo from your CDs so it isn't that great, it's purely a defensive talent

[lusty tiger]

Looks good

Consider rybie’s point dungeon to dungeon

[sick sentinel]

btw how much versa should we aim for?

[lusty tiger]

0

[sick sentinel]

and yeah i might go leap instead

[lusty tiger]

You want str>>>>> haste >> crit

[sick sentinel]

That’s definitely a cap

You want some vers

[lusty tiger]

@strong forum

I can’t do this anymore

[sick sentinel]

good thing i dont need 30% versa then

[amber siren]

there's no stat breakpoints or a number to worry about, get ilvl and sim and you'll be fine

[sick sentinel]

most of my gear is beginning to get max ilvl so just for the small min max of it

but thanks 🙂

Ping numeratur all you want , ain’t no way 0% vers is the play

[lusty tiger]

U don’t even know why

You’re just being

[amber siren]

he said 0 to aim for, not get 0 verse

[dreamy rain]

thicc boy

[amber siren]

all stats are good, it's not a stat to achieve

[lusty tiger]

^

[modern brook]

weak. I've been saying ilvl>haste for 6 years 😠

[lusty tiger]

Hahaha

I opted to be a little extra dramatic

[sick sentinel]

I mean 4 of the top 5 m+ prot wars opt for haste > vers

[lusty tiger]

Dear lord

If I have to read that anymore I’m gonna unalive my brains out

[sick sentinel]

But sure lemme listen to Jerreeeeeee the obnoxious random from the prot war discord

[uneven mason]

But nerf does it

[amber siren]

top prot warriors also ran BSV when it was, and still is, bugged

[uneven mason]

BUT NERF

[amber siren]

if you don't understand why they made those choices, it's not good to blindly copy

[velvet lichen]

still running it in hov 🙂

[lusty tiger]

I’ve only help many many many people in here and spent hours chatting with mods

But I’m a random I guess

[untold scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/who-are-you-huh-offended-what-disgusted-gif-12444006

[amber siren]

[sick sentinel]

I mean you’ve given zero reasoning and instead opted to say you’re going to kill urself

[uneven mason]

I mean why

[lusty tiger]

What

U said I was capping

[uneven mason]

Wat

[lusty tiger]

How about you counterpoint along with your disagreement

[uneven mason]

I mean jerreeeee you're being a paladin

[lusty tiger]

True

What do I know I’m only the 24th best Paladin on mythic eranog in the world

[velvet lichen]

Main reason for running it in hov is the wolf pull, with a druid and not an evoker this pull is even more scary and the main options i would have is eighter going for double shield wall and risking me dying on pull there or playing BSV and me deliberatly procing it 3minutes before i need it and 3 minutes before that, so it dosent proc random @amber siren @uneven mason

[sick sentinel]

Or you could explain why you think crit is better when 18/20 of the front page m+ prot wars are haste > vers

[uneven mason]

This is a good point, I do see the value in having it up for the initial burst

[lusty tiger]

How about you tell my why my suggestion is cap- oh yeah you have no clue why they’re running vers

[amber siren]

That sounds wildly niche but makes sense

[uneven mason]

Because ilvl is King and old habits die hard

[velvet lichen]

yes, it is 1 single pull but this pull makes or brakes the key.

[sick sentinel]

I’m looking specifically at crafted gear

[dreamy rain]

isnt crit just % parry and vers = flat def?

[uneven mason]

The value between the secondary stats are miniscule, crit leads for damage but is rng for defensive value, vers is consistent but leads to more intake overall

[strong forum]

Vers has been overvalued for way too long
All the dangerous "but Muh magic dmg" is and has to be handled by CD Management
Vers is only properly impactful when you can get shittons of it
Crit gets a bad rep but is absolutely valid defensively aswell

It's not a do or die between the stats

[uneven mason]

It's consistency vs rng basically

[dreamy rain]

i guess with parrygodx in ur name, ur fav crit over vers

[uneven mason]

Why one would value the other, but you can't really fit a sheet of paper between the gap on value over time

[strong forum]

Not to mention that vers requires the most investment to get very little gain

[uneven mason]

We pump

Crit pumps

[strong forum]

I don't push keys so idgaf about pretending to be tanky cuz of my gear

Fact is that all your flat dmg reduction that "you needed to live" gets removed if you just go 1 keylevel higher

[weary saddle]

do u know if Season 2 dungeons have any bosses like Liu Flameheart that are anti-protwar

[strong forum]

Lots of mobs will be ye

[uneven mason]

There's tankbusters

[strong forum]

But bosses uuuh...

Probably? Idk haven't looked much into it

[uneven mason]

Like, Liu isn't anti protwar

We have one of the best kits for her, big hint, she slaps no matter what class you are

[strong forum]

Eeeeehh

[amber siren]

Blood DK

[weary saddle]

no i mean Liu Flameheart is an example of Protwar being least equipped relative to other tanks (esp those who can heal)

[strong forum]

We have CDs, but we're legit the worst tank vs her other than maybe bear

It's the dot/out healing requirment that we struggle with

[weary saddle]

yes that my pt, hence query if Season 2 has any Liu Flamehearts

[uneven mason]

My point is, no tank just eats those without pressing buttons

[topaz field]

but any other tank but bear outheals it himself

[weary saddle]

well i press CDs but my pug healer doesnt healbomb me

[uneven mason]

Press your buttons

[velvet lichen]

ye, protpally is chilling there quite hard

[strong forum]

On real keys the healer has to healbomb

[topaz field]

so is brew and bdk

[strong forum]

Except pally and bdk

Maybe vdh aswell, haven't asked arty about it

But he seemed to be fine with brands n shit

[weary saddle]

so pls answer my question: are there any Liu Flamehearts in Season2?

[topaz field]

im even changing talents on my heal for prot war tanks specifically in TOJS

[strong forum]

I don't think we will see smth like liu, no

[uneven mason]

Tuning isn't done yet

[dreamy rain]

i dont think we will see liu flamehearts in season2 unless you go for normal mop temple

[strong forum]

Im trying to think of the bosses and mechanics

[dreamy rain]

than u can visit her

[weary saddle]

ok but i dun think any boss in Season 2 casts a healing absorb on tank correct?

[uneven mason]

But TJS is literally a dev trolling us because someone mouthed off that it was too easy in testing

[topaz field]

plz no more turbo dogshit pandaria dungeons with bad tuning and zero bugfixes coming

[strong forum]

That's giga niche

Yes nothing casts healing absorbs

[topaz field]

mindblowing how they fix the stairs cheese

but still dark claw is a 1 sec cast

and i died through dampen on brew on 25 tyra

thx

[weary saddle]

thanks sir

[uneven mason]

That final trash pack was added after testing, literally because folks were like "lol freekey"

[modern brook]

yeah its time for turbo dogshit cataclysm dungeons with bad tuning and zero bug fixes

[strong forum]

Thing is, which is super sad, when blizz tests dungeons they only test if it bugs/ works mechanically

[lusty tiger]

I think tjs is a great dungeon pace, size, pull, and boss count wise

[strong forum]

The numbers don't get adjusted by the same team

[topaz field]

btw they fixed balakar khans fat ass on the 4th of january i think

[strong forum]

(they also test with 100ilvl extra)

[topaz field]

meanwhile people still get overran by his ass

[lusty tiger]

explains weeks 1-4 RLP

[strong forum]

It's crazy to me that things like voidslash, severing slash and dark claw are left untuned

[lusty tiger]

Spell block OR DIE

[topaz field]

they didnt kill devs in m0

so seems fine

[strong forum]

Mechanics that can kill you in a global on low keys even is just absurd

[strong forum]

I mean that's pwar in a nutshell since legion

[weary saddle]

they are ok with spellblock and knowing when to kite

liu flameheart is just very hard to pug

[strong forum]

My biggest issue vs her is running into the green waves when dodging the circle

[lusty tiger]

Liu is decent in design but could use some updating lol

[strong forum]

Really love that they only spawn once you're outside the circle

[lusty tiger]

1000%

[lusty tiger]

1000000000%

[modern brook]

and she moves :/

[strong forum]

If you're fast enough she doesn't

[lusty tiger]

The fact that she can though

[strong forum]

I mean

[lusty tiger]

Yea there’d be a wind bolt kind of issue

[modern brook]

yah but if she even takes a step the lines can get fucked :/

[lusty tiger]

The dot ground doesn’t do much damage

[modern brook]

its more not knowing that the big green puddle of bad isnt necessarily where the next big fuck you murder line is going

[lusty tiger]

Agreed if those things were updated the fight would be decent

Random death lines is not fun and melee getting cucked over and over is also cringe af

[uneven mason]

I just leap around the room crying during liu

[fresh igloo]

she walks all over the place almost as bad as thunderhead and i hate it. wish they'd chill out w/ the mob movement.

[strong forum]

That's caused by hitbox issues

The mob itself tries to get closer to you despite being in melee range

That's why they shuffle around you

[lusty tiger]

It feel somehow worse this patch?

[fresh igloo]

it's been getting worse since, like... WOTLK lol

[uneven mason]

It is

[lusty tiger]

More mobs than usual are doing that to me

[strong forum]

It's always very noticable, but yeah in DF there are alot of minibosses that do the shuffle

[fresh igloo]

but yeah it feels really bad rn

[lusty tiger]

Nothing as bad as the mini boss in COS

[strong forum]

In SL even a raid boss did that shuffle

[lusty tiger]

Yea that was toxic af with reprisal

[modern brook]

melee dps is too good rn to complain about having to move, if we're bieng totally honest. there are so many bosses that have consistent full damage stops for melee and half the range specs are still ass compared to them in keys

[fresh igloo]

imagine wanting to keep a frontal pointed properly. ugh.

[lusty tiger]

Semi kidding but have u seen sp

Survival hunter is low key pog right now too

[lusty tiger]

A lot of ranged players are dads reliving their ever quest wizard days though

[modern brook]

actually true

[strong forum]

Is that enough to get it at the right time tho? Cuz bsv proc pre-mitigation. It won't be a safety proc, it'll just proc somewhere between 100-60% hp if the hit is large enough

[velvet lichen]

can i send a clip here?

[strong forum]

Absolutely

[velvet lichen]

https://www.twitch.tv/skillsttw/clip/RockyClumsySandstormNotATK-g3e0aLcxpPgTkjBJ

[strong forum]

I guess wolves hit frequently but not mega hard

[velvet lichen]

the problem is they buff each other

[strong forum]

It procced the second you got melee'd by 2 wolves

[velvet lichen]

yes

but you only needed it to get the demoshout out

[strong forum]

I guess

[velvet lichen]

the problem is you dont want to commit cds while they are not stacked

[ionic roost]

They have static spawns tho, the green are offset of the orange by 45 degrees and orange are on the NE, SE, SW, NW points where N is where the boss was facing before the circle spawns

[strong forum]

From the tests that I've seen, it's 100% rng

50 Tests, standing absolutely still

And the flames were everywhere

That being said

I've not done or seen the boss often enough to confirm or deny that during p2

[ionic roost]

Then I've had absolutely god Rng to have them be the exact same all expansion

[velvet lichen]

@strong forum the problem is that you cant really be in the pull long enough without bsv or double wall, unless you pray that you dodge the first couple of meeles, so it enables you to have 100% consistensy on a pull that could break the key.

[strong forum]

I mean if you plan around that, so that you can stack the wolves

Absolutely valid

I just hate the fact that you talent into smth for only 1 single use

Very cringe

[velvet lichen]

same

it feels really bad

[toxic pewter]

I sort of think paladins pseudo cheatdeath is op. 45 second cooldown on that

[strong forum]

That is wild too, ye

[toxic pewter]

It’s actually really kind of crazy

[strong forum]

It's literally pull enabling for Andy

[toxic pewter]

Yah it need 1.5 min cd minimum in my opinion

Maybe 2 min

Maybe even more Jesus

[ionic roost]

[strong forum]

That I can't judge

But it would be nice if bsv worked

[toxic pewter]

Should just work like theirs

[ionic roost]

theirs needs to be activated

[velvet lichen]

bsv would be insane if it worked

[ionic roost]

Unless you want it tied into like last stand

[toxic pewter]

They’re getting an automatic shield wall every 45 seconds

[plush tendon]

actually better then SW

[toxic pewter]

If they drop below a %

[strong forum]

We mean valkyr, not arden defender

[ionic roost]

Oh are we talking about the King's proc

I seege

[toxic pewter]

It’s actually kind of wild considering how many oh shit buttons they have as it is

[strong forum]

I would prefer it if it was higher threshold, 30% is super spicy

Like a pwar below 50% is pretty much dead

Unless it works like wotn

[velvet lichen]

true

[plush tendon]

it could be like 'if you take fatal damage, return to like 30% health, get DR and rapidly regain health over 10 seconds"

[strong forum]

Yes

[plush tendon]

slap a 4 min CD on that

[strong forum]

Actually yeah

It needs to be a proper cheat

[velvet lichen]

i think you choosing when it procs would also be insane

like a buff that you can activate and then you get it the next time you drop

[strong forum]

That would 100% be warri fantasy

And is way more fun than passive proc

Gimme more agency

[velvet lichen]

yes

100%

[plush tendon]

honestly, the way purg works is kind of warrior fantasy (minus the magic theme about it)

[daring marlin]

Just steal this from D3 ezpz

longer cd tho

[plush tendon]

being dead and fighting through the pain for X amount of time

[strong forum]

Press F to Ignore Pain
🫡

[velvet lichen]

imagine ignore pain had no igcd

that would be lit

[strong forum]

yeah often times the 1sec CD is just way too long

[velvet lichen]

it feels really bad on pulls where you have the rage to spend but you cant cause of igcd

[modern brook]

not the point i know but god teir kiting

[strong forum]

you have a large pull and pressed dragon roar and ravager? here have 1.5k rage per minute

[velvet lichen]

shadowland season1 vdh paying off hard here, thx

[strong forum]

[velvet lichen]

yeah, infinite rage

[vale kraken]

Preach man

[strong forum]

i played SL s1 on hardmode

pwar, rsham, feral druid

[velvet lichen]

kekw

[modern brook]

no wonder you ended sl 5 tanking

[plush tendon]

I thought RSham was meta S1 SL?

[strong forum]

which is funny considering that currently thats a good combo

[modern brook]

nah it was pally iirc

[strong forum]

not in m+

druid/hpal, especially once people learned about ashen

[modern brook]

yeah i remember ashen

[plush tendon]

ah, I just remember early RShaman being really popular

[strong forum]

rsham only worked on lower levels during RWF where people were undergeard

but the higher you went, the more you struggled

unless youre thaner

that man doesnt count

[modern brook]

also does that rock work like the fence posts for the wolves?

thats kinda sick

[strong forum]

ye

been showcased alot on mdi

[modern brook]

i dont watch mdi

i get like 4 hours to my self a day

[sick sentinel]

legion TW coming soon, and not again till july

[modern brook]

not spending it watching other people have fun 😦

[velvet lichen]

yes, its also better for kiting

since you have more open space and not rocks and trees next to you

[sick sentinel]

i might have to spend a day or 2 farming TW coins

[strong forum]

MDI isnt good outside of echo/moads team

feels like weekly no leavers

[sick sentinel]

just run 50 TW's

[strong forum]

if you have alts you can send over currency

iirc

[plush tendon]

MDI is cool to watch!.... the first time

now we just waiting for The Great Push

[strong forum]

ill be sure to watch the finals this weekend

[sick sentinel]

im at 1282 time walking coins atm

i think i'll be able to get it whenever legion comes around

i want it

im going to try to watch at least 50% of mdi

[modern brook]

Is thay not the pally shield?

[strong forum]

its aegis of aggramar

[modern brook]

Oh

[strong forum]

previously only an RP NPC item, until they made it a TW item in SL

[modern brook]

I'm not a knower

[pallid hare]

what is the time commitment for that many coins?

would be an awesome pickup but seems like a HUGE time sink

[strong forum]

if you do timewalking quest each time its up

its not that much of an investment, you just gather them over the years passively

[west inlet]

does thunderclap applied rend kill explosives? sidearm maybe? had ~50 passive explosive kills throughout a dungeon and details doesn't show what killed them

[strong forum]

aoes cant hit explosives

maybe sidearm

[lusty tiger]

Get the addon that works as a details plugin

[strong forum]

but a log would be the easiest

[daring marlin]

[cloud tide]

how do u get Desirous Blood Stone?

is it random?

[strong forum]

ye

buy it from vendor its 1 in 2 chance iirc

[cloud tide]

where is vendor

[cloud tide]

ok thanks

[strong forum]

its necrotic family

[cloud tide]

what about prophetic twilght stone

[strong forum]

thats shadow

also 1 in 2

[cloud tide]

what dis mean

[strong forum]

dont do that

use the kit to remove gems 1 by 1

if you override them, itll destroy your old one

[cloud tide]

oh

it was empty tho

msg still showed

[strong forum]

kek

[patent gorge]

Naowh Shard Incident 2.0 was about to happen lol

[ionic roost]

Wait you guys don't keep farming multiple 424 stones and you can take them out

[strong forum]

did naowh grind the same gem cuz he thought you couldnt remove them?

[cloud tide]

how do u get 424stone?

[rough solar]

What are the big brain thoughts on prot warr in season 2 raids and m+?

[patent gorge]

No shot thats an emoji I love it

[strong forum]

no thoughts about s2

raid will be just fine, as always

[cloud tide]

how do u upgrade stone to 424?

[strong forum]

unstable elementium from jewel crafters

costs 10 stone fragments each

2 upgrades per stone

[cloud tide]

primordial fragment?

[strong forum]

ye

m+ we have no idea about s2 numbers wise, likely same as this season with some keys being more tedious and prot pally favoured

brewmaster will also be sick

[patent gorge]

Yeah I really love brewmaster in BFA and SL. Had it as a main till the guild needed another warrior. I started gearing up my brewmaster again but it felt like so many more buttons.

I enjoy playing the prot pally over the brewmaster at this time

[cloud tide]

how can i get more pramordial fragments

[strong forum]

i mean breh at this point youre literally asking everything that you get taught in like 2minutes when questing on the new island

just do your quests you'll figure it out

[patent gorge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/forbidden-reach/primordial-stones

This has everything you need summed up

[lusty tiger]

Finish pentagonal quests > kill rares > open vaults

It’s blizzards most free borrowed power system ever

[cloud tide]

an yone knows how to get this

[old sinew]

does anyone know how to filter wowhead data to know what is or isn't able to be pummeled? I really can't figure it out lol

[mortal mountain]

@velvet lichen do you play cheat death in any other dungeon or even during tyran weeks?

[lean gale]

Someone know what you can spell block at Ras Mythic?

[patent gorge]

Basically everything lol

In the pins Sense has a excel doc that shows what we can block , reflect , spell block.

[lean gale]

Better question would be what is worth to pop it, but thx mate I will check that out

[dusk wraith]

there's a stone you get that reflects the laser, its a 10 minute buff once you click it - it will be in another chamber

[lunar jewel]

Is ring actually good for prot?

[strong forum]

For top end, not rly, for the average prot it's a decent dps gain

[rough solar]

You need to find the arcane stone thing and click it to get a shield

It's sort of elongated diamond shaped floating in the air, very easy to see once you get it

[sick sentinel]

u need some buff, not sure which one i got that one pretty easy

i opened all the doors last week and looked in them, but i probably only got 2/3rds of treasures at best

[tame jasper]

look out for an arcance vault in another room in the vault

[cloud tide]

is it better than 418 ringđ

[sick sentinel]

Tanks running the healing stones

Also hilarious

[strong forum]

If you do average dps, yes

[modern brook]

It has less to do with gear and more to do with how correct you're playing. The stones are ppm, so their damage is stagnate with regards to your casts per minute. Lots of prot warriors are not pressing as many buttons as they can/should, so the rings are proportionately better there

[undone verge]

Really worth loosing instigate for like disrupting? (assuming you’re running disrupting)

On rasz

[mighty valley]

kind of just comp dependent

you want a certain amount of total interrupts etc across the team and you can figure out who gives up the least to get there

[undone verge]

I feel like timing would be wonky with taunt swap

[limpid ruin]

You can weave it in. If you are the active tank you need to be fast to get it in before the tank hit though. I was taking boss first to use it on the second set of sparks on p1 and using it when it made sense in p2

[mighty valley]

I haven't personally used it, between kick + storm bolt + int shout I was fine for sparks

[limpid ruin]

It’s also nice for p1 intermission but I had a trigger happy evoker and no md so that could be comp

[chilly pulsar]

You guys still enjoying Grieftorch for M+?

[strong forum]

I don't have it, but it's a very very good trinket

[patent gorge]

I use it in M+ Its very nice burst. Just be careful using it because its a channel.

[sweet surge]

Guys, can a 424 tier piece, for example, drop if I only cap 2/8 M vault?

[sick sentinel]

i cant decide if i want my warlock once alliance to be worgen human or gnome (all 3 count for heritage

not a big fan of any of them or goblin only ones i missed at this point

[uneven mason]

Worgen get a tophat

Just saying

[mighty valley]

yeah, think so

it seems like tier pieces are excluded from the "you have to have killed the boss once" rule

[uneven mason]

Yeah iirc we had someone come in with a 424 helm and only had first 4 down

Also big mads, swapped my loot spec to prot for the heroic time walking box hoping for a alltotem

[lusty tiger]

yes i have gotten one

[uneven mason]

Got a 405 1h

[sweet surge]

I am now told that the reason this happens, for plate specifically, from a friend who did 2/8M and got 424 shoulders, is because Eranog can drop 415 plate shoulders, but also 415 plate tier shoulders. And apparently since there's no 415 tier shoulders in the raid, it instead gives you the 424 that you typically get from Diurna (iirc)

which is very convoluted and I am close to calling bullshit

xd

[patent gorge]

Tier is not in the same loot table

You can literally only kill the 1st 2 bosses and in vault have a chance at 424 tier

[sweet surge]

So, as a warrior, by killing Era + Council, can I get Raszageth 424 helm? He tells me that only if I kill Terros can that happen, because apparently Terros is the first boss that drops a plate helmet that can RNG into a tier, that then goes to 424 since no 415 helm tier

[mighty valley]

the sources i'm seeing online just say "tier is exempt, it doesn't matter which bosses you killed for tier rolls"

[sweet surge]

w

[mighty valley]

it sounds like your bud is just inventing stuff for fun

[uneven mason]

I mean sample size small

[sweet surge]

it really does, but he's not the type of guy to do that

which isn't to say that he's not wrong ofc

[mighty valley]

might just be relaying bad info he heard elsewhere

[uneven mason]

So conclusion is that you can get 424 tier without having killed the boss that drops it

[sweet surge]

and i just checked, his retpal alt has 424 shoulders, as 2/8M

[patent gorge]

Yup , just need to have a vault spot to collect from

[uneven mason]

This is intentional

Because otherwise m+ couldn't get our tier *from vault

[sweet surge]

Question is, would i have to also kill Terros M to have a chance at 424 tier helm

or is that part bullshit

[uneven mason]

Because I've killed exactly 0 raid bosses this xpac

[uneven mason]

Probably not

[mighty valley]

i'm 99% sure that's a made up rule, there's no reason to believe that it's "upgrading" a vault slot or whatever

the vault slot just has a pool to choose from of all boss tables you've killed + tier items

[uneven mason]

Tier is always a "possible"

As long as you have a m+ or raid vault slot

[patent gorge]

Nope. Just keep killing the 1st 2 bosses for vault slot and pray.

[lusty tiger]

i got a 424 tier helm in my vault from killing the first 2 (eranog + council)

[dusky canopy]

Yes I looted 424 helm this week!
I’ve only downed eggnog>council

To my knowledge you cannot get 424 helm from m+ slots only the raid slots

Not 100% on that though

[warm plinth]

How it works for raid is that essentially any piece in your vault can proc tier. Since there are no tokens and raid doesn't do direct conversion like M+ does, the game instead gives you the appropriate ilevel of that tier piece as it drops in the raid on that difficulty.

E.g. if you get a helm in your vault and it procs as a tier piece, it should always be 424 (assuming mythic raid slot) because that's what ilevel the helm drops at.

Only in the raid slots though. M+ just directly converts them to a piece of the same ilevel of that vault slot.

[sick sentinel]

@warm plinth

[warm plinth]

Hi

[sick sentinel]

hello

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1090296166375235741/image.png

pic VERY related

same item same stats, but the chest was already made, so i wouldn't have to spend the thingy, so it was the optimal choice

[daring marlin]

I've gotten helm and shoulders from m+ cache and it's just 421.

[sick sentinel]

any chance anyone can craft plate wrists ? DM if so, Dreanor.

[warm plinth]

M+ cache is different than raid

[daring marlin]

I know. I was just saying.

Hence me saying "from m+ cache"

[royal swallow]

hey all! how much healing should i be doing compared to the healer in higher mythic runs?

[mighty valley]

it really depends but it's not a very important question unless people are dying to damage the healer should be healing

[warm plinth]

Man I knew I should've changed my name to that

I fuckin said it

[shrewd grove]

Healing in Mythics is almost entirely a binary thing. Did people die to unavoidable mechanics? Healer should have healed more. Did people die to avoidable mechanics or did everyone survive? The healer did fine. The amount of HPS a healer is putting out in keys is almost directly proportional to how dumb the DPS are

[sick sentinel]

apparently destination realm transfers are optional now

[warm plinth]

It's optional because the same transfer is used for both realm and account

[sick sentinel]

ah, i'm lookin at seeing what i can do to get as many of those heritages as i can since its on sale basically

[royal swallow]

ok got it. ty

[royal swallow]

i understand. ty ty

[sand hound]

What ilvl would you say you need to be to effectively tank 20’s? I’m 2800 on my disc priest so I know what to expect but just rolled prot and don’t want to overstep.

[mighty valley]

people were doing 20s on week 1 so you don't NEED to be that high

i'd just get your crafted gear and see how high you climb, learning things from the tank perspective is gonna be more important than ilvl

[pallid quiver]

Necessary is like 300 probs, to get into pugs is around 615 ilvl

Wha Harrow said to be serious

Why those people can time at lower ilvls is because they can play the dungeons and their role in dungeons well

[sick sentinel]

about to try real time fire build, may report on it later

418 ff belt, 418 duty 408 chosen (fire rings) 411 blazehoof, alltotem (fire dmg evey 2 minutes ish)

[cunning knot]

at how many targets (raid) should you start using Storm Infused over Freezing Ice stone?

[shrewd grove]

3

[jagged pier]

Basically for council

And brood adds

Only

[lilac pike]

can you nelf third boss of temple as the tank, just wondering if i should go nelf or dwarf

[warm plinth]

Yes, you can

[lilac pike]

ty

[slim dove]

i bear taunted and nelf melded a 23 tjs on my rdruid

scariest shit ive ever done

[warm plinth]

😱

[sick sentinel]

omegalul

some video editor on this job didn't have enough sleep or coffee

[cedar dagger]

!wa

[novel cloak]

quick question, i just started doing like +20 keys, am 416 ilvl. Do you guys just tank in battle stance the whole time?

[fresh igloo]

basically yes

use defensive stance when you need the mitigation

otherwise you're in battle stance

[novel cloak]

ty

[sick sentinel]

in season 2 is there a new transmog for the crafted sets

[toxic pewter]

prob not

[sick sentinel]

im very tempted to do a meme or mog craft

i could do, idol of the (any, but probably dreamer), darkmoondeck inferno, potions or phial trinket

or, save one i have now for 2h weapon for OS

[toxic pewter]

.

[nocturne spindle]

are there new embellished items in s2?

like is saving sparks worth it or start crafting OS gear

[warm plinth]

Not that they've said. And no reason to save sparks because new sparks will exist in 10.1

[fresh igloo]

i believe they did specifically say there will be new embellished crafting recipes

but it will use new sparks

and old items will be upgradeable with new sparks

some talk about lariat tuning as well

[warm plinth]

Lariat is basically going to be only a 5 sec duration and then it increases per socket you have

So you'll need max sockets to get back to the full duration

[nocturne spindle]

what

do people not have the triple socket

that feels like literally no impact

[fresh igloo]

all sockets on gear, not just on neck, i think.

[nocturne spindle]

ohhh

interesting

[warm plinth]

Lariat has a 12 second duration right now

[fresh igloo]

but yeah they didn't want to change lariat's effect at max gearing, just make it not super great for literally anything all the time

[warm plinth]

yeah that basically

[ornate wagon]

is there a consensus on best horde prot war race?

ive tried orc/tauren/HM tauren

[warm plinth]

doesn't really matter but probably blood elf if you were to try to min/max

[ornate wagon]

for the torrent?

[warm plinth]

for the 1% crit

[ornate wagon]

oh yeah, didnt see that

[nocturne spindle]

be a dwarf and say fuk u guild

[warm plinth]

Or just wait til 10.1 to swap

and be in guild anyway

[nocturne spindle]

o

good point

forgot about that

[daring marlin]

Such great changes

faction stuff

[wary spire]

Ally is better for tanking?

[slim dove]

doesnt matter that much

esp not below r1 keys

play the model you like

[warm plinth]

Play what you want. Dwarf is the "best" because you can remove debuffs with their racial that otherwise you can't.

[pallid quiver]

What they mean to say is that you'll be able to push +50s as a dorf, but poor tauren can only hit +7s

[warm plinth]

right

exactly

[wary spire]

op

[slim dove]

tbh i simp for nelf more then anything

shadowmeld tech is absurd and useful every season

[sick sentinel]

gnome warrior prot illegal

probably good for pov gameplay, avoid everything easy

[toxic pewter]

Gnome pretty solid race imo

[warm plinth]

I enjoy gnomes, and goblins

Goblins actually look pretty sick as warrior

[sick sentinel]

i almost never play short races

stalky to normap hieght races only

sometimes for spell caster but not often

wanted to make mage nelf for whatever reason blizzard made me redo it, so hes mechagnome instead

[inland mesa]

New 2 hand weapon and shield

[patent saddle]

crafter 418 ring / 421 jeweld signet / 424 ony anulet . What 2 rings to use togheter ?

[analog sparrow]

isn't general consensus that if you're running 4pc tier, the best combo would be helm/shoulder/leg/gloves and inferno breastplate? I can't get that to beat 5pc tier in any sim I do. Should I trust the sim in this case?

[warm plinth]

Haste is probably not the top damage secondary for most people unless they have really low haste. So yes that's normal.

We love haste because it's strong defensively and offensively

[frigid spire]

anyone know the best stones for prot?

for the new ring?

[analog sparrow]

ahhhh yeah good point

[warm plinth]

[royal willow]

I haven't play in about 3 months and your name made me take another look at the general m+ talents and I am so glad barbaric training isn't the way to go anymore

[mighty valley]

Never has been

[royal willow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's never been the play but sadly the wowhead guide was never updated (or Llarold just thinks it's still worth taking)

It's used in raid on a couple fights for parsing but that's about all I could recommend it for.

[royal willow]

I probably got it from wowhead, I just came back to the game so trying to get back in the swing of things

but I distinctly remember pressing that talent and thinking "ew"

[warm plinth]

lol

[pallid quiver]

It was the play in pre-patch when we still had banner

holy shit that was so much rage we had

Actually 100% unkillable

[mighty valley]

oh true, with sl systems + new talents, it was just like... yeah, your rage bar is maxed constantly sometimes. don't worry about it

[warm plinth]

🤔

[violet flume]

they made explosive tankier so thats probably why

[warm plinth]

Yeah, but it's weird because we've had tankier explosives in the past with no change in spawn rate or cast time

Like BFA explosives would take 2 or 3 hits to kill sometimes

[violet flume]

ah didnt know that, havent done M+ outside of early legion and dragonflight

i figure these will require some pumping, more than 2-3 hits

maybe theyre trying to make affixes more forgiving overall

[warm plinth]

I sure hope not

Having to actually swap to an explosive and spend significant time on it would be stupid.

[violet flume]

like afflicted souls and entangling you have 10 seconds to react

[warm plinth]

Well the purpose of that change in particular is to make it so it's not a "healer affix"

[violet flume]

hey, blizzard ignored most of the negative feedback about affixes so its not beyond them

[warm plinth]

Because they won't be able to just 1-shot them anymore

[violet flume]

i sure love people saying healer affix just to have them go off randomly anyway

got all my 424 storm, delirious and prophetic stones ready, lets goo

last week vault gave me only delirious

13.5% of my damage on the 5 target dummy in valdrakken.. very nice

[warm plinth]

Did you crush the shit you didn't need?

[mighty valley]

now I want to grind up enough for a second ring with a second set of gems

[violet flume]

no i just found out about it after i sold all my stones

i guess i couldve used less optimal stones last week if i did

im definitely making myself a ring with movement speed stones for old raid runs

harmonic and wind

[mighty valley]

I don't know how lucky I got, I only needed to buy two stones

[violet flume]

you can buy stones?... maybe i shouldve read on it before lmao

[mighty valley]

you can buy the mystery stones for 10... whatever the crushed stuff is called

and if it's the wrong one, then you can crush it for 6 back

[violet flume]

i see, i guess ill know that for next time if i go back in time and replay this patch

[mighty valley]

it's pretty decent for a mid-season patch system! if only the game explained any of it to you

[warm plinth]

It does. You just have to like...read the quests lol

and who does that

[violet flume]

maybe i read too fast, i did see we had a tool to remove gems but i didnt see the stone breakdown

[warm plinth]

yeh it was the same quest for both. The anvil was for breaking down and the jeweler kit was for removing

[mighty valley]

i'm being hyperbolic but it doesn't direct you to things like the bags you buy for overflow

[warm plinth]

True

[mighty valley]

which tied the whole thing together for me

[warm plinth]

Yeah that was a big difference in key generation for sure.

[violet flume]

bags you buy for overflow?

[warm plinth]

Yeah the left-most renown envoy in the village sells sack of oddities that have a pretty high drop chance of keys for like 2k each

and a lot of times you get the currency back from the bag (or most of it)

[violet flume]

oh man

ive been farming rares like an idiot them lmao

[warm plinth]

I did at first too so don't feel bad

[mighty valley]

i got two keys from ten+ rares so i figured i must be missing something

[violet flume]

easiest way to make keys is to get all your alts to give you the initial 6 they get

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's what I did for my warrior. Just did it on a few alts I wasn't gonna play and got him 29 keys

[sick sentinel]

Have they said how they're gonna do spark gear next tier? New wait for sparks or just upgrade the ones we have now

[round pendant]

what the fuck

[warm plinth]

We know that the new sparks are created by getting two fragments per spark. But so far the only source of those fragments that I've seen are 2 from a one-time quest. I don't know where we will get them otherwise.

It's not the same as the fragments that make all the crest things

[sick sentinel]

is protection warrior able to solo world events like primal storms like fury is when your gear is good enough or is there not enough damage ?

[mighty valley]

prot warrior can solo everything

[vital oak]

While doable, at least on my server, you can't solo them because there's always other people there.

[mighty valley]

I have had to solo world raid bosses occasionally when I just couldn't get on a shard with other people

[ionic fern]

Any tank can i'm pretty sure.

When ever i go on a DPS/healer and need to do stuff like that i die a bit inside.

[pallid quiver]

something something just have your dps alt be a warlock

then you can still solo things because you cut yourself for your voidwalker to not be bad

[mighty valley]

soloing stuff on hunter/warlock requires you to be a little bit alert

tank specs can just do their normal thing half asleep and be fine

[pallid quiver]

damn

maybe i've played lock too much, which is wild

i don't actually play my alts often

[sick sentinel]

just asking because I only play protection in and outside of dungeons, I got bored of fury

[pallid quiver]

You're effectively immortal in the open world as any tank spec atm

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[pallid quiver]

like, hell, i did some of the world quests and boss stuff while in war mode with enemy players dogpiling me and i still wasn't concerned

[ionic fern]

Hello Ghash.

Can i use BT?

[warm plinth]

I would really rather you didn't.

[ionic fern]

I will.

Thank you for your feedback.

[warm plinth]

You're welcome!

[pallid quiver]

Just activate a little bit of cheat engine and get banner to work outside of SL content

as well as sneak a leggo effect or two out

and bam boom, run BT or bust

[onyx needle]

If you have the items to craft/recraft gear to 418 what would be best choice. Allied Bracer, Frostfire Belt, or Molten Longsword? I am currently using a 411 Strike Twice, 411 Goldsteel Bracers, and 411 Walking Mountain Belt.

[warm plinth]

weapon

[dry folio]

so i just started tanking in m+ and can anyone tell me whats up with the mindcontrolled adds in SBG ? it tells me i have aggro but they just hit everyone else ?

and they cannot be taunted

[mortal brook]

Their threat is tied to the tethered dominator

[faint mica]

does someone play ppal and pwar? I wonder wich one feel the most tankier atm

[shell mortar]

Prot Pala on average is the tankiest by far

[faint mica]

(in M+) forgot to mention

[shell mortar]

Yeah, assumed so

[faint mica]

I'm preparing all tanks for s2 anyway, can't wait to try gdrood and eat the floor

ppal and pwar are so fun to play anyway I guess I'll stick with one of them

what are the predictions for 10.1 ? june I guess?

[ionic fern]

Prot warrior feels wayyyyy tankier.,

Probably because my Prot Paladin is 40 ilvls lower and i can't play it for crap compared to my warrior.

But you did ask what it feels like.

[jagged pier]

I dunno when i played mine i was just pressing the flashy buttons

And its hp didnt move

[remote venture]

If the hp moves, I am scared.

[faint mica]

my hp moves as pwar bcause I sucks 😮

but yeah it was about feelings, they're both tanky enough to do stupidly high key so...

[strong forum]

its kinda funny

how everybody hopping on the pally train says "wtf this tank is so broken"

when it hasnt been buffed since s1 launch until 10.0.7

[faint mica]

this feeling happened to me when I geared my pwar from vdh haha

didn't they had some little changes with talents? didn't checked in detail

[strong forum]

i wonder why they didnt come to that conclusion when they first played paladin

🙂

[jagged pier]

I memeber saying it was OP back at launch

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

And getting told i was wrong

[ionic fern]

You were wrong!
It was not the publiclly acceptable opinion back then.

[strong forum]

so wild

[pallid quiver]

but pally was bad and still is because it corrupts your soul to play

and what's more important, having a massively powerful toolkit and not dying or having a soul?

[strong forum]

idc about playing it

its just funny that it was only accepted that "wtf pally is so broken" once they showed up with the top scores

[faint mica]

what's the point where paly is really ahead of war?

[strong forum]

utility and group heals

[faint mica]

I mean utility ofc but wich one

[ionic fern]

.

[faint mica]

like bop etc saving dps?

[pallid quiver]

like all of it

[faint mica]

aura?

[pallid quiver]

Sac

[ionic fern]

All.

Everything

..

[faint mica]

oh sac 1m right

[pallid quiver]

WoG, mob control,

[faint mica]

its huge

[strong forum]

bop, spellwarding, offhealing, devo aura, interrupts, sac

[topaz field]

at least pala doesnt have a cr

[strong forum]

right, CR too

[faint mica]

I don't see andy Woging allies tbh

[ionic fern]

[faint mica]

in his povs

[remote venture]

Multi interrupts with one button as well

[faint mica]

oh yeah pal CR still don't get it lmao

[pallid quiver]

Its kit is just baseline better than Warriors utility wise, pretty much

The only thing that can hold it back from being strong is if they flop or deal absolutely no dam

and uh

[faint mica]

yeah ofc but I was wondering what's the most important in high key like limiting factor

[pallid quiver]

all tanks are pretty hard to kill, boss

[strong forum]

group survival

is the limiting factor in ultra keys

[faint mica]

but yeah group survival is huuuuge

[strong forum]

and guess what pally brings

[faint mica]

increase

[topaz field]

pala tank allows you to play mage shadow priest

fire mage is turbo broken in the right hands

[faint mica]

does it allow aswell bigger pull in kicks limiting factor or not really?

[strong forum]

the bigger pull thing is whack

thats a copout from people trying to blame on things as a reason why they depleted or their dps was low

while it does help that pally brings an interrupt here and there aswell as divine toll to group up mobs

[topaz field]

ye its not like u could pull bigger anyways

because mobs wont move etc

[strong forum]

its not a thing that will allow you to pull bigger than other tanks

[faint mica]

ok ok I didn't really pushed this season so I don't get all the informations tbh and my instances knowledge kinda sucks so

[ionic fern]

Pally interrupts are amazing in pugs tho. God knows no one is interrupting.

So you can just do everything yourself.

[strong forum]

the thing that limits pullsize is CD, group and mechanical coordination

[ionic fern]

[strong forum]

aswell as general placement of mobs

the mega pulls on high keys happen because of huge dps output and hard coded CC rotations

pally brings DT, pwar brings shockwave, theyre not entirely comparable but in a CC rotation they fill somewhat the same spot, assuming your healer isnt a shaman

[faint mica]

yeah that's true was more thinking about CCing mob in these big pulls like sap/blind and stuff that you can't play together but I guess there isn't this kind of cases in s1 instances

[strong forum]

nah i dont think any dungeon has a situation where you do pulls where specific mobs are blinded/sapped/caged

to the be pulled later

[faint mica]

I feel like stun DR is starting to be an issue sometimes

when pug party only got stun CCs

[strong forum]

not in coordinated group cuz you dont send them randomly

in pugs, ofc shit goes south quick

[faint mica]

pugs are like everyone throwing everything as soon as possible to not getting blamed... XD

[strong forum]

or everybody holds to not overlap, but to then have nobody do anything

[pallid quiver]

yeah that second one is pain

because it shows that people are thinking and trying

but then oops

[faint mica]

the funny thing is when everyone is sitting till the last sec then everything pops out

[grizzled kite]

why does the wowhead guide rank Battering Ram so badly on the raid ST build? I thought it was worth?

[hardy snow]

it is in the guide (at least as ive now checked)

[sick sentinel]

the caster in the group of 3 before the 2 guys before the door with a platform to go up to 4 kings,

if you tag the front 2 of that 3 pack

2 come, and you can kill them, and the caster won't move till you get in range later

BUT

you will be stuck in combat with it until it dies, so u are forced to do brez

[hardy snow]

ive seen Andy doing TJS yesterday and they polymorphed one of casters in pull in last room (2nd last pack)

[sick sentinel]

im pretty sure that dude is one of the dudes that casts etch

and i have seen etch delete pugs many times over

might be a reason you might want to not engage him right away

[strong forum]

ye cuz theres legit 5 casters in 2 packs

thats true

[sick sentinel]

oh, and its close to where the 2 giants are, so, clumsy melee players will aggro those 2 trying to interupt it

its sort of like how on bone ritual shadow moon you can still cheese your way out of getting hit withe deubbf even if you do charge a wall guy, something like that but more relaxed setting

[tame jasper]

You dont pull them at all, but skip them all - evrn in pugs 🤷‍♂️

[tame jasper]

Should do that too.
I like to trap one of the tank bustern in the last pack of TJS - weak me

[sick sentinel]

it could be that im not doing +25's that this doesn't apply to me (prottip: even if i did higher keystones, i'd probably still hardstop at 20's and never a do a 21 22 23

but, i always get 90 of the dinner hallway, or whole thing

only ever pulled bears after wolf like, 1 time maybe 3 times most

cuz way i run hov, once into wolf room, its just dragon > bull > boss p1, > pups > boss p2 > 1 bull on way back (same bull from earlier if we didnt already get him) > towards 4 kings

[subtle hemlock]

So my guild is starting Mythic Rasz progression tonight, are any niche things I can do outside of Wrecking Throw and Disrupting Shout to make life easier for me/the raid team?

[hardy snow]

its way easier to skip those 2 dudes at gate before 4kings and this 3pack before these two guys, its good to try it out

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-K2rUP86M every time i run HOV....odyn's pov.... "i'm a god, how can you kill a god, what a grand and intoxicating innonence"

he's got a strong record of killng my group

[shell mortar]

HoV 1st pull on high fort with no boomy/sp, otherwise true

In all fairness Nome is mostly right, Palas utility doesn't enable the giga pulls, the fact that they have 30 defensives and sac/bop does however

They can facetank for a lot longer which in turn enables more DPS output from the group

Not like warrior can't do the same, it's just harder

[patent saddle]

is the new ring good to use on prot warrior ?

even though we lose secondary stats by using it ?

[sick sentinel]

do you play well? if so its mid, if you don't play well, its good-ish

[ionic fern]

Yes.

Check the pins for more information.

[weary saddle]

ikr. my thoughts exactly. protpally has not changed, why all of a sudden it becomes fotm

[patent saddle]

can those keys drop inside war cashe from those mobs ?

or just rares that spawn ?

[strong forum]

you can gamble for keys with bag of curiosities sold by the dwarf emissary next to the table

[astral crystal]

I think it’s because more people learned to play it

The post-SL community perception was strong

[sick sentinel]

yes

i bought 10 boxes for 20k currency (about 500 to 1k drops per rare)

and i got 20 boxes total after opening boxes that contained currency and repeating until out of currency and boxes

[crystal mauve]

Take the boss first in P1 and P2 so you can line up your aoe taunt/silence with the sparks and tank buster st the same time. For P3 take the boss 2nd so you have you Spell@block for both tank buster. If you are lazy, for P3 make a macro with everything. I was able to mitigate 90% of the tank buster damage, the rest was absorbed in IP and the raid took basically no damage.

[sick sentinel]

got like, i forget, but i think 1 or 2 keys from the original 10, then i was able to purchase 6 more boxes, then 4

[uneven mason]

Keys come from anything, you can get keys from the big underground elite area

Find a farming group for them and you'll have keys flying out your nose

Also getting a weapon and upgrade token as the first elite loot in my just dinged 70 high mountain warrior

Feels fun man

[sick sentinel]

the gamba for keys is meant for after you've already farmed like a dozen or so events

[crystal mauve]

My prot pally is only level 63 and I have a full set of gear waiting for me to get my 70 lol

[tropic gorge]

I'm OK with prot pal getting fotm again

It'll drop prot war population as fotm rerollers chase the current thing. Hopefully making those that stay shine brighter. It'll weed out rerollers and the like

[strong forum]

#2 and #3 (if the gaps aren't massive) is sweetspot

[verbal wren]

I honestly wonder if some of it was people got overly obsessed with spell reflect usage. A lot of the streamers talked about it at length, and yeah, there are a few tank busters you can spell reflect, but it's not like other tanks can't handle them too. Living is living.

[strong forum]

Yes

Biggest "complaint" is always SR

Whenever it works on anything relevant is when the complaining is large

in raid it doesn't work on anything therefor no complaining there

[plush tendon]

the big tank busters arent even spell reflectable

looking at you Crawth... Temple boss...... Searing Blows boi

[verbal wren]

Yeah for sure, but people love to complain that it works on anything

[dusky canopy]

It’s funny how we’re in a world where ams and divine protection exists but we get complaining about spell reflect

[limpid anchor]

It works on the brood adds, allowing you to solo interrupt :>

[dusky canopy]

LUL

[plush tendon]

or AMS

[old sinew]

Living is living but you can’t tell me it isn’t huge to have 25% of your damage come from reflect on 2nd boss NO or like 15% on meliadrussy

[dusky canopy]

Meta/Cheat death meta

[old sinew]

Reflect isn’t just living it’s also damage

[verbal wren]

It's damage in very few cases

and clearly not enough that prot warriors are resulting in faster times

[dusky canopy]

Bear has freaking god mode for 30 seconds every like minute 30?

[limpid anchor]

Sr damage is realy high in keys, definitely busted

[dusky canopy]

Idk man people ought to chill balance is pretty solid

[plush tendon]

busted, but not buuuusted

[limpid anchor]

But then again, we don’t have much for magic so ye

[dusky canopy]

We all get our niche

[old sinew]

🤔

Bear is dog

[plush tendon]

no, bear is bear

[dusky canopy]

Bear is the outlier yes

Regardless the point remains the same

So what if we can spell reflect

Other tanks have their niche as well

[plush tendon]

Other tanks dont pray to jesus when they get jade striked

[dusky canopy]

No kidding

[plush tendon]

I feel like my Prot War is really strong in most situations.... but on these hard tank fights, I feel like a sitting duck

[old sinew]

Warrior makes first boss of AV have no tank dam. Almost no tank dam on 4th boss. P2 boss 4 NO no tank dam. Etc

[verbal wren]

I am by no means saying SR is bad, just I think the benefits of it get overstated generally

but so what?

are pallies dying in droves on them?

[old sinew]

Not sure why you guys think SR is somehow not a big perk

[verbal wren]

living is living

[dusky canopy]

Ok and pally can DP/LoH two of them

[plush tendon]

naw, SR is awesome

[dusky canopy]

DK can instant full heal with death strike

Or freaking parry it?

[plush tendon]

but its not like 'end all be all, OP on God'

its more like 'this shit be bussin'

[verbal wren]

I don't think anyone is saying it's bad

[plush tendon]

AMS can also immune the first boss in AV

[dusky canopy]

Right

[plush tendon]

Paladins got CDs for days

[dusky canopy]

SR is a perk of our chosen class

[old sinew]

Dude, this is ducking dumb stop saying that. Doing more damage than any other tank on a fight where you can reflect damage is not just living

[dusky canopy]

Just like other classes have their own perks

[plush tendon]

not sure what the other tanks have.... cause I dont play non plate tanks (except my DH, but hes a SBG and Court enjoyer)

at least for me, between Blood, War, and Paladin, they all feel really good in keys; my highest damage is Prot War, but recently my DK has been poppin off

[verbal wren]

I'm talking about AV and fights liek that

[plush tendon]

and Im a shit Paladin so like... we not gonna talk about him

[verbal wren]

Yeah it's nice on last boss of NO

but it's not keymaking, either

[old sinew]

Can’t diffuse the tank busters on 1st boss because it isn’t a magic debuff even though the effect that applied it is magic 🧠

[dusky canopy]

bear out there smoking everybody on ST with moonfire but we aren’t crying about it?

[limpid anchor]

There’s no tank damage except on 2 bosses anyway

When I play my heal I hardly heal any Tank class

[dusky canopy]

Just like they shouldn’t be crying about us being able to benefit from SR on a handful of tank busters

[old sinew]

Because you can reflect it 🐸🔨

[limpid anchor]

Damage is too much tho

[old sinew]

I assure you that first boss of AV can do damage to a bear. Same with 4th boss. Same with 4th boss NO

[limpid anchor]

Atleast on some fights, like last in nok

[dusky canopy]

No way is it to much

[limpid anchor]

Bear, good joke

[sick sentinel]

spell reflect is good because giant lightning bolt spell or curse makes you take 15% more dps opn big elite like in wcm

[dusky canopy]

It’s a benefit of our chosen class

[plush tendon]

[dusky canopy]

Death strike heals to much

Nerf it

Give warrior deathstrike

[plush tendon]

I mean.... please?

😄

[sick sentinel]

reaping strike or whatever the fuck in TOP

[dusky canopy]

I mean that’s literally equivalent to the crying I’m reading lmao

[strong forum]

i just want fun

[sick sentinel]

fuckin, we don't need deathstrike

[strong forum]

[sick sentinel]

we have impending

[dusky canopy]

Fun is king hoss

We know it

[plush tendon]

what I really want is to be able to parry Crawth again

[strong forum]

well yeah that is maximum bs

[old sinew]

I mean… I find pwar fun. 🤷‍♂️

[strong forum]

pwar was fun for a bit

but SL war was way more fun

[sick sentinel]

under suck

that is all

[dusky canopy]

We better be able to spend rage on it on cd like death strike and double it’s healing and have it add to ignore pain

[plush tendon]

its gets a bit stale.... but im so comfy on it now, that I can pick up and play my Warrior now anytime

thats why Im playing VDH now

Have 0 clue how that class works

[strong forum]

nobody rly does

not even @slim zinc

[sick sentinel]

makes sense to me

[plush tendon]

Im also a chad so no cheat death for me

[dusky canopy]

[sick sentinel]

did you guys not play wc3?

i played wc3 mostly online cuz i sucked at the story mode

[dusky canopy]

Nom leg sweeping the VDH mains

[strong forum]

not a vdh main

[plush tendon]

doood that class makes 0 sense!

[sick sentinel]

but he's extremely over powered the demon hunter in pvp games of wc3

[plush tendon]

like, how much do these soul things heal?

[dusky canopy]

Press button rely on meta

[slim zinc]

Anyone that claims they understand VDH is lying

[dusky canopy]

That’s about what I can tell you about it