I'll CC you
#protection
warm plinth
sick sentinel
it wasn't a perfect run, but we timed +1 30 io
why does prot have so many buttons fury smooth brain dont like
slim dove
prot is absurdly simple.
median tulip
why does prot have so many buttons fury smooth brain dont like
The serious answer is that we're an old class, with a lot of retained baggage from earlier iterations of WoW, and we've never been streamlined down to 3 buttons like most of the DPS classes
warm plinth
There are a few spells you don't need on your bars if that helps
WW, Rend, and Slam
Can also combine stances into one button
sick sentinel
me when shield charge
ah i had ww there
ok
what about avatar should i just combine that with ravager?
sick sentinel
k
cinder nova
And by weak I mean the people without MMO mice
I will never spend money on one of those paperweights.
warm plinth
🤔
cinder nova
I've never been fond of trying to juggle the ambidexterity of using my thumb while dicking around with my camera simultaneously. I also have a lot of modifier binds like Shift+ and CTRL+ to expand my bind options.
quiet monolith
I almost always charge then shield charge, but now at 22s and up I think it's a bad habit
I should save it for interrupts right?
I also use demo offensively, I think I need to start treating it like a defensive cooldown more
cinder nova
If you're dying to a lack of CC, holding it for early "kicking" isn't bad.
warm plinth
You don't hold CDs for anything
Like you can maybe hold demo shout if you need an extra CD for a tankbuster on a boss, but other than that you should be sending everything on CD
mighty valley
it's kind of a middle ground - you really don't want to sit on either of them for too long and lose many total casts, but there are times where you're not really going to lose anything by waiting a couple seconds on Demo to make sure it covers a tankbuster
cinder nova
There are some asterisks attached to that.
warm plinth
I've never been fond of trying to juggle the ambidexterity of using my thumb whi...
That's why I don't put rotational buttons on my mouse like a lot of people do. I use the mouse buttons for utility, defensives, health pot, that sort of thing
mighty valley
on trash packs the first seconds are often the most dangerous anyway, so opening with demo is win-win
cinder nova
Maybe I'll look into that, but a lot of them are far more expensive than normal mice and I tend to curl my nose at anything that is marketed as "gamer" peripherals due to the historically cheap build quality on most of it.
pallid quiver
It's me, I put literally every button on my mmo mouse
My only complaint is that the wheels tend to be loose on the ones I've owned
cinder nova
Ever since I stopped buying "gamer" marketed peripherals the longevity and stability of my equipment has spiked.
But you're also still dropping huge dimes on quality stuff anyway, so it's more of a means to avoid having to replace things more frequently than anything.
warm plinth
Maybe I'll look into that, but a lot of them are far more expensive than normal ...
If I might make a recommendation, I've been using the Logitech G600 for 4 or 5 years now. It's very cheap (usually around $35-40) and very reliable. Very easy to distinguish the buttons by feel too.
fresh igloo
If I might make a recommendation, I've been using the Logitech G600 for 4 or 5 y...
same. they do wear out tho, so i just make sure to have a spare
warm plinth
Yeah I'm on my second one but the first one lasted like...3 1/2 years before it started to lose some clicks
And I play a shit ton
mossy tulip
any1 know when i can combine ring damage on datails?
pallid quiver
Yeah, none of my mmo mice have ever lost clicks; it's always the scroll wheels, which means I assume I abuse them too much
cinder nova
Yeah, none of my mmo mice have ever lost clicks; it's always the scroll wheels, ...
Maybe stop going on r34 and paging through pornhub for the exact perfect vid.
Either that or you play a lot of shooters and bind weapon swaps or jumps to wheel.
pallid quiver
i read a lot of tvtropes
It's also sometimes the second one
Only the first one when I'm diggin' desperately for gundam material books, because who needs porn when you can know what generator output the f91 has
warm plinth
Tbh I don't bind anything to scroll wheel so maybe that's why?
pallid quiver
Yeah, I assume mine would last longer if I didn't
Funny enough, I don't bind anything to it for wow
sick sentinel
go play fear 1
thats my message, takes a bit of tinkering to get running but my god that game still holds up for combat and some of the graphics
really impressive medium sized explosion effects from helicopter for 2006
twin bramble
have focused my time on learning raid but on wowhead and now trying to learn M+ for first time. Am I just supposed to use shockwave, intimidating shout, and storm bolt as cc? Also, should i use war stomp if tauren?\
warm plinth
have focused my time on learning raid but on wowhead and now trying to learn M+ ...
Yes, and yes, if you have to
twin bramble
Thanks. So war stomp isn't often used?
warm plinth
Well, we already have 1 short aoe stun in shockwave and shockwave hits all targets, not just 5
So you'd prefer to use that, and then I'd still use initmidating shout before war stomp because it's not on the stun DR
twin bramble
awesome. appreciate your time!
lusty tiger
Maybe stop going on r34 and paging through pornhub for the exact perfect vid.
How did you know
orchid mural
Uh, i use warstomp all the time, in addition to shock and fear roar
median tulip
what about avatar should i just combine that with ravager?
The only thing I macro with Avatar is my racial
warm plinth
same
warm plinth
Uh, i use warstomp all the time, in addition to shock and fear roar
I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm saying it should be the last thing you use.
warm plinth
I saw the tank and healer one was lit up the entire time I was playing this morning lol
sick sentinel
querue is still like 11+ mins
orchid mural
Did that script for the stones get removed? Could of swore i saw it in this discord
warm plinth
Don't need it anymore. Update details and it's an option now
Primordial stones got fixed to not pull shit you're not in combat with
😮
serene yew
does fury and arms have aoe stun?
warm plinth
No idea. They can but not sure if they take it
pallid quiver
On average, it's not taken iirc
odd tree
easier to take intimidating shout as arms
woven trellis
does the frostfire belt trigger the rings or no
warm plinth
All fire damage triggers the rings
woven trellis
ok
i just got both 408 and 418 ring in a 10 min window by some random luck and im trying to figure out if its better than my 421 melandrus and 418 crafted ring for keys
warm plinth
Probably not
odd tree
@warm plinth sadly my 23 was a deplete. went really smooth, wasted a bit of time on bears sadly (forgot 2 of them) and then healer bit it on odyn and group went down. was like 82% w/ 45s left. womp womp
Thanks for the route tho
warm plinth
<@255696891000389633> sadly my 23 was a deplete. went really smooth, wasted a bi...
Damn that sucks. So close 😢
woven trellis
i failed a NO23 today everything was smooth, then around midfight 2nd boss, i trigger windburst thinking SR is up, i look at CD 2 sec left
a nice uh oh moment
one shot
i got paralyzed by not expecting it
odd tree
oof
woven trellis
then after that i explain i misstimed my spell reflect and some smart ass try to explain to me i didnt because of my abilities but because i outranged the boss, i got idiotsplained
warm plinth
I made the mistake of moving too far out to dodge a lightning strike from someone right after I'd reflected one
odd tree
for odyn do folks prefer to save leap for rune or for big circle?
warm plinth
And before it even started casting, I told my healer in voice "well, I'm dead"
woven trellis
xd
cinder nova
I made the mistake of moving too far out to dodge a lightning strike from someon...
Fuck moving. Plant, dawg. Let those mouthbreathers sidle around you.
You gotta stay close enough.
Move only when you're snapping up that sweet, sweet SR damage.
warm plinth
mmm, probably rune if I had to choose. Big circle gives you plenty of time and you can always intervene if needed
warm plinth
Fuck moving. Plant, dawg. Let those mouthbreathers sidle around you.
Yeah it was just habit; I main melee DPS lol
woven trellis
its the right strat to not move, except when u want to trigger winmdburst to reflect it
cinder nova
Meleebrain go brrr
woven trellis
except when u mistime it like an idiot like me
warm plinth
Say you're a brand new character without saying you're a brand new character
daring marlin
:^)
can upgrade all my stuff to 415 now!
gonna wait til tomorrow tho to see what garbage I get outta the vault
warm plinth
proud of you boo
lusty tiger
pally too stronk at carrying
Pally has carried me to the io promised land
junior spade
I just got the heroic ring off brood lord what can I do thats fire to proc it?
lusty tiger
I just got the heroic ring off brood lord what can I do thats fire to proc it?
Craft the belt
prisma crane
crafted belt is best
junior spade
Alright. I'll work on that then. If I was fury would odyns fury proc it too?
warm plinth
yessir
oak echo
since when is odyn's fury fire or am i stupid
oak echo
yeah but i don't think the version you get in talents is fire
at least not in the tooltip
oak echo
i got excited
warm plinth
Alright. I'll work on that then. If I was fury would odyns fury proc it too?
Didn't realize the new odyn's fury is not fire, so no it would not proc it
junior spade
Ok
urban portal
new one is bleed
solemn kelp
Temple of the Jade Serpent
Wise Mari
Freezing Ice Stone (Primordial Stone) triggers no longer disrupt the direction of Wash Away casts.
https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-patch-10-0-7-hotfixes-wise-mari-class-bug-fixes-332156
wind hare
That bug was toxic
proven crow
has anyone compared the new ring with a fire stone and the dynamic duo, along with a seal of diurnas chosen? does it do better or worse than most other sets?
ocean prairie
has anyone compared the new ring with a fire stone and the dynamic duo, along wi...
In the pin they tried, st better than baseline but worse than Frost, aoe bad
cinder nova
How the fuck do I get these gems out
cinder nova
Yeah nothing is clickable.
distant crystal
it's extra action button
cinder nova
Fuckin' WA's hiding it reee
glacial socket
- What is the softcap for versa? What we aim for? 2. Are people going for offensive gems or pure damage? 3. What is the best crafted trinker for prot? Been so unlucky for few weeks and playing with 343 pvp trinket since 0 luck with drops. :D
jagged pier
We dont aim for any amount of vers
cinder nova
- Doesn't exist.
- Looks like offense/defense gems
- Idk str, craft trinkets are a blind spot
distant crystal
go crit instead and be a parrygodx
dreamy rain
Haste than crit than vers right?
warm plinth
ilevel>haste>crit=vers>mastery
pallid quiver
Crit is currently more likely to allow you to cheese past the most dangerous tank hits at the moment, though, due to parry
cough cough just parry searing blows, bro
hardy snow
Crit is currently more likely to allow you to cheese past the most dangerous tan...
and what if parry dont proc? 🤔
pallid quiver
that's why crit and vers are the same on a serious note; you don't rely on being parrygodx in order to get through a key. They just both add up to a decent amount of mitigation throughout an encounter/M+ run, Crit reducing the number of melees and sometimes murder swings coming your way, vers just very slightly adjusts everything you intake
alternatively
Parrygodx, savior of runs
slim dove
Just go crit 4head so you can play arms when prot bores you enough 
pallid quiver
i need a 2-hander first
merry trout
Seal of Diurna vs signet of titanic strength vs annulet
which 2 rings shud i opt for?
for M+ content
warm plinth
we got the mog 
sick sentinel
thats the gold wood one right
warm plinth
yeah
sick sentinel
i may save up my tw coins for the aegis
no clue on when, but supposedly there issome multiple week long tw event
mortal brook
Right meow
sick sentinel
hopefully they succesfully pull off some elite time wizard shit in this last mdi 🙂
the super duper secret tech if you will
i always f8nd it incredible how many timesmore effecient theyplay than i do
uneven mason
i may save up my tw coins for the aegis
TFW the only character that has enough tw currency can't equip shield
Going to hard focus the warrior again now that I've done all my tanks up and given each a fair shot
sick sentinel
see, normally for me waht happens is
run 5 tw, get like 550 600 650 cpons, spend them on reputati9n coins for transmogs
buy too many and then they are non refundable waste like 3 ish usually, should just send to alt
clever heart
ok. I read the wowhead, basically explaining 421 eranog ring + 421 cos ring are better than new stone ring, & saw the sims in the pins, that say the stones are only slight dps increase.
now im checking for the latest up to date info any of u have to offer. I am 2800 io prot warrior tank actively tryin to push into higher keys b4 end of season.
Should i be using the new ring & if so what stones appear to be best for m+ keys 20-23 range. Hit me with ur opinions
warm plinth
Do you have 421 eranog ring and 421 cos ring?
clever heart
i have 408 socketed eranog + 415 socketed cos.
what do you think.
warm plinth
Then you should use the ring. Prophetic+Desirous+Freezing for ST, Storm in place of Freezing for AoE
clever heart
are there any defensive gems worth considering ?
and which of my two rings do you think you would sub out 4 it
i do have frostfire belt on obviously
warm plinth
Nah we don't use the defensive stones. If you felt like you needed more survival you'd just use a ring with stats. My guess is the eranog ring but you can sim it to be sure.
Could see it going either way but socket on the 415 is pretty significant
clever heart
if you have 421 diurna ring + 421 cos ring, would you still use new ring once you have gems like max lvl ?
agile elbow
No
amber siren
I mean it depends
true axle
Casn anyone tell me which shield to craft? the chance to proc vers seems like bait
minor forge
Ultra bait, just craft the molten one, throw an alch pocket on it and call it a day
true axle
Thanks, thats what i thought just wanted to double check.
wooden widget
Hey which tank is doing the most overall dmg rn? I was with a brewmaster this week who did a ton of dmg in AA
crimson crypt
Hey guys, do you know if the Blazebinder's Hoof from RLP increase in value when used to compensate the haste lost with new ring ? I just went from 30.4% to 27.4% (flat without rune) and it feels weird. I don't have windscar to sim, actually running 408 icon + 402 decoration of flame and i'm sick of farming COS (i have a blazedinder sitting in my bags)
sick sentinel
i have that, and i want to to idol of the dreamer, or i want to do the potion trinket (both crafted, on 4th RNG spark as opposed to the 5 free "fill the bar" ones) for giant haste sticks
because, we will be losing access to blazehoof, and something better than my 408 all totem has to be coming really soon
so, im totally screwed for trinkets if i dont do it, i feel, i don't have a grieftorch or mythic level trinkets, so thats why im panicked about being able to find a good one, looking up options for what might be good in s2
amber siren
Hey guys, do you know if the Blazebinder's Hoof from RLP increase in value when ...
theoretically haste will gain value as you lose more of it but that's a character dependent question that a sim can answer
oblique kayak
Do we have any update on the new craftable shield in 10.1 or rather how good it might be?
sick sentinel
i think current upgrdes with new spark
odd tree
Hey which tank is doing the most overall dmg rn? I was with a brewmaster this we...
AA is a great dungeon for big pulls and tons of aoe, so hard to use that as a benchmark. Though I do believe monks are one of the top tanks for aoe dps. Pallys have us beat in ST, not sure about aoe.
plush tendon
IDK, I think Prot War ST is pretty inline with every other tank
at least compared to my Paladin, my War does a heck a lot more damage; granted playtime might be a factor in that
Also, what is considered a 'ton of damage' in AA? Cause in a 20 I pull around 85k-90k on Prot War
chrome sparrow
Overall in a dungeon I believe monk is at the top for damage. Then I think it’s warrior, then paladin. Druids and DK are at the bottom by a pretty significant margin. Slightly less so for DK after the aura buff but only very very slightly.
topaz field
its first and foremost player over class
plush tendon
yea, the ring was huge for my DK
topaz field
all current logs of fotm reroll palas show pathetic overalls in aa
plush tendon
and I think Monks get a lot of benefit (damage wise) from it as well
plush tendon
all current logs of fotm reroll palas show pathetic overalls in aa
I feel attacked XD
topaz field
Overall in a dungeon I believe monk is at the top for damage. Then I think it’s ...
im playing with bear tank in my group he does 100-105 k every aa with bad dps players
plush tendon
im 100% a shit paladin 😄
chrome sparrow
im playing with bear tank in my group he does 100-105 k every aa with bad dps pl...
Maybe just DKs at the bottom then, I’ll admit I don’t see many bears and o don’t play one so I’m probably wrong about that one.
cloud umbra
I don't think paladins are that high on the damage list are they?
I'd agree with monk--> warrior
plush tendon
I feel like War does more.... but I dont see many brews cause I tank
chrome sparrow
I know DK is very low, that one I know first hand. 10 ilvls higher than my warrior and does less dps overall.
plush tendon
cloud umbra
DK is for sure low. I have one haha.
chrome sparrow
Not 100% sure with rings though, haven’t played enough after rings.
cloud umbra
DK pumps only when grippy hands are up lol
topaz field
but still overall is a really bad measure if u take into account that only dungeon speed matters
nothing else
plush tendon
I just broke 80k on my Blood DK in AA
and I was proud ❤️
granted I was boonin and whetstoning
but DK was a big winner with the ring since damage procs>stats for damage
cloud umbra
ya if you do the entire lasher pull with all your cds/shocking disclosure, it makes anyones dps good haha
plush tendon
ya if you do the entire lasher pull with all your cds/shocking disclosure, it ma...
shocking disclosure costs gold
I only use that if we pushin
sick sentinel
the keys i run my dps is like 36-45k dps overall
cloud umbra
very few gold though
plush tendon
cloud umbra
lol
sick sentinel
but the problem with that is im not doing dps combo ring is part of it
and some other valid reason i had but i forgor
daring marlin
but the problem with that is im not doing dps combo ring is part of it
That's kinda minor
plush tendon
yea, Onyx ring for war is probably slightly better then a normal stat ring
cloud umbra
i dont use the ring on my war
partially cause i grinded it out on my druid healer and dont wanna grind it agian
plush tendon
yea, replacing my socketed seal of melandrus with it feels bad
but I also like going from 419->420 I level
cause im a I level whore
cloud umbra
lol
daring marlin
size queen
sick sentinel
oh, yeah, the valid reason is, for some reason, i hit enough SS thats always #1 dps , but my revenge is shit
daring marlin
😏
cloud umbra
you like that fat STAM
sick sentinel
i never hit revenge for some reason
plush tendon
yo big stam
sick sentinel
and it ends up llke 5th-7th place
cloud umbra
i never hit revenge for some reason
do you just spam the hell out of IP?
sick sentinel
i must be apparently
plush tendon
yea; the first time I did it for my DK took me 3 hours to figure out how it worked
sick sentinel
i was thinking about a super secret yogi tech video
plush tendon
then i did it on my war in like 15min
sick sentinel
i thought about running a keystone and have a camera pointed at my hands on keyboard, and then i over lay elements of the keys warcraft log that follows the video sped up on a graph
to figure out what in the fuck im actually doin wrong
as opposed to "i think its this"
cloud umbra
what do logs tell you ?
sick sentinel
and then, so like, if i took a bunch of un-nessecary dmg or didnt do a kick, i'd slow it down, and we / i can see if its inputs, or im not facing right way or close enough
like have it all as a video thing
lusty tiger
Yogi just read logs instead
Ur trying to make a hologram Jarvis when u just need some glasses and a WCL
sick sentinel
for years and years i have thad the same problem through out BFA was earliest i knew for sure
lusty tiger
for years and years i have thad the same problem through out BFA was earliest i ...
What is that
sick sentinel
that's just it nobody here has ever been able to identify it to a point enough that i have been able to take meaningful action
lusty tiger
Have you posted logs?
daring marlin
That's nebulous
sick sentinel
its like un-filled hole, un-resolved conflict
lusty tiger
its like un-filled hole, un-resolved conflict
But have you logged a run?
sick sentinel
i have in the past sure yeah, have recently too
lusty tiger
I mean a run you were curious as to why you didn’t do as well as you’d hoped and want to improve upon?
sick sentinel
i just want to figure out once and for all whats going wrong that im not playing at 100%
lusty tiger
Then drop the log in here
sick sentinel
i'll let you guys know if i ever create the video
sick sentinel
pastel sleet
Speaking of logs. What do yall look for in dungeon logs? It seems like dungeon logs vary widely by the rest of the group
sick sentinel
i feel like i did abysmally bad in this key
lusty tiger
Speaking of logs. What do yall look for in dungeon logs? It seems like dungeon l...
You’re about to see
sick sentinel
the contribution i brought
topaz latch
hey guys, its me again. what is the recommended ilvl for noobs to tank 16-18's.
lusty tiger
- You’re not hitting every SS proc
halcyon dust
1. You’re not hitting every SS proc
First thing I saw also.
sick sentinel
i wonder if this is im not in range all the time for it
dawn lynx
hey guys, its me again. what is the recommended ilvl for noobs to tank 16-18's.
405 is fine in my opinion
halcyon dust
hey guys, its me again. what is the recommended ilvl for noobs to tank 16-18's.
398-402 drops from there.. so around that range/slightly below should be fine.
topaz latch
405 is fine in my opinion
perfect, i mean as a super new wow player i dont have the skill to make up for lack of gear. just my seasoned veteran pally gf, and i want to feel like im not being carried anymore.
lusty tiger
i wonder if this is im not in range all the time for it
Try switching to mouseover
topaz latch
398-402 drops from there.. so around that range/slightly below should be fine.
thank you for this insight.
lusty tiger
It’s amazing for kicks
topaz latch
how ot make mouseovers for taunt and kicks?
sick sentinel
hey guys, its me again. what is the recommended ilvl for noobs to tank 16-18's.
the rule generally is thier ilvl should be about at least 110% of the ilvl that can drop from that dungeon you are attempting to run for unknown pugs, so if the dungeon key will drop 395, get like, 400-405 for success, past 405 is overkill, under 400 is a gamble
lusty tiger
Not quite as many blocked hits as you want
topaz latch
the rule generally is thier ilvl should be about at least 110% of the ilvl that ...
ah ok, this is good. for now, im content with being overgeared to make up for lack of skill while i learn.
lusty tiger
Dying to haunting gaze without spell reflect up
sick sentinel
you CAN do 15's with 395 forbidden epic gear all 5 players, but it might be rough time
and people will need to put in lots of work
you'll all have less stam, your healer will have less mana, you'll have less armor, but it can still be done if people do well.
lusty tiger
So:
- SS 2x as much (don’t miss any procs!)
- make sure you are blocking more
- hit your damage CDs (including demo) as soon as they’re up
- basically SR on cooldowns but make sure you’re using it on magic dam like fortified haunting gaze
topaz latch
you CAN do 15's with 395 forbidden epic gear all 5 players, but it might be rou...
ok, thats good. the people i run with are seasoned. im the only noob in my group. roughly same gear level but i run with two top tier pvp, a mythic raider, and mythic healer who all know what to do.
topaz field
i know its annoying yogi but fucking slam your keyboard
sick sentinel
then listen to what they want you to do, they'll bring you to success garunteed
topaz field
the harder u press the higher the numbers
lusty tiger
Your active cpm isn’t even that bad but you need to SS like a chad
topaz latch
then listen to what they want you to do, they'll bring you to success garunteed
lol i will. i just dont want to feel like a carry anymore if that makes sense lol.
lusty tiger
Tier sets in 10.1 look like dooky
They released early to air the grievances now
sick sentinel
Tier sets in 10.1 look like dooky
they look 6/10 on amazon
lusty tiger
^
sick sentinel
probably on sale in a few weeks
halcyon dust
Aim to dump Violent Outburst on SS also
topaz field
and btw yogi i would rather compare your overall after a clean run
u guys had 20ish deaths
this will naturally result in lower overall
daring marlin
They released early to air the grievances now
Yeah but idk how they're gonna fix prot pally or destro without completely changing them lol
lusty tiger
Yeah but idk how they're gonna fix prot pally or destro without completely chang...
Prot pally is an easy fix
lusty tiger
Yeah but idk how they're gonna fix prot pally or destro without completely chang...
I was chatting with the ppal nerds last night
sick sentinel
came from the discussion we had before i posted the logs
after mari, i pulled way early
topaz field
lmao 😄
lusty tiger
Ppal 2pc is fine and 4pc should make it so mobs with 2pc burn give your judgement 2x crit
daring marlin
Ok that'd be neat
halcyon dust
For context/comparison; here is a 16 Temple I ran this past weekend.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1LaWR8qyxkHPCnvd#fight=1
daring marlin
Wouldn't be the first time 2pc would be good and 4pc garbage tho
antorus prot pally
lusty tiger
Ok that'd be neat
AND judgement crits can trigger GC
sick sentinel
bring back divine intervention
reef holly
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TzWY6DC2pan3K1Zh/#fight=last&type=casts&sou...
Do you have 424 annulet?
topaz leaf
is there a weakaura or addon that lets me track my group's aoe cc? I know OmniCD does that, but I want to show offensive cd's and cc seperately.
sick sentinel
my 424 annulet is the shining obsidian and cold frost and gleaming iron combo
limpid anchor
is there a weakaura or addon that lets me track my group's aoe cc? I know OmniCD...
MRT
pastel sleet
servers up yet?
reef holly
my 424 annulet is the shining obsidian and cold frost and gleaming iron combo
Why not using pinned gems?
sick sentinel
i wanted to at lest test the combo i had first, upgraded those stones for some pepega reason
i got the other main ring 411, just need 60 stone fragments
reef holly
i wanted to at lest test the combo i had first, upgraded those stones for some p...
Pinned stones are GOAT
daring marlin
forest fern
Is a 421 signet of melandrus better than the ST setup on the new patch ring?
combined with the raid fire ring i mean
untold vessel
which is the best st stone atm?
strong forum
freezing + combo
untold vessel
oh freezing is better than arcane and flame lick now?
strong forum
oh freezing is better than arcane and flame lick now?
flame lick was never the go-to
and arcane has been heavily nerfed
sick sentinel
Nice 👍🏻
like i said, vault of shit
most interested in pants
unless i should take chest cuz more stats?
strong forum
chest and legs have same stats
sick sentinel
yeah just noticed that
strong forum
so its up to you whats more of a gain
sick sentinel
i don't have to spend the catalyst if i do the chest...
forest fern
Is there any ring combo for single target that makes the 10.7 ring not worth using?
clever ginkgo
is there any general consensus on best gems for lariat or is it a case by case thing?
clever ginkgo
bet, ty brother
modern galleon
got a 418 fillial duty but i already have 415 jeweled and 418 plat star band, with new annulet and stuff i assume fillial is nnot a choice at all?
weary saddle
oh server up?
clever ginkgo
@modern galleon it's my understanding seal of filial duty is debatably BiS when combined with frostfire belt
modern galleon
gotcha
median tulip
is there any general consensus on best gems for lariat or is it a case by case t...
The Lariat's proc is based on the lower of the two stats on the gems
clever ginkgo
gotcha
forest fern
isn't it based on the "family" of the gem
size of stat is irrelevant, if its an "air" gem for example, its going to give you haste
nocturne spindle
oak echo
yes but the "family" of gems always has the same lower stat
forest fern
ya true I guess
oak echo
you're correct i think it's just easier to explain it in terms of "look at the lower stat" because that's easier than memorizing which element is which stat. or at least that's how i think of it
forest fern
ya, guess I was just going the RP route 🙂
valid wasp
rain light
welp i forgot to do any m+ last week lol
cosmic arrow
Hello, are the primordial stones good for pushing keys, lets say 20 and above, usually with pugs
strong forum
storm + combo is good for dmg
fresh igloo
421 strike twice in my vault is a BiS prot option isn't it?
daring marlin
welp i forgot to do any m+ last week lol
oops
strong forum
yes
cosmic arrow
okay thank you
strong forum
421 strike twice is mega bis
fresh igloo
sweet, ty
little bough
any1 know if spark essence drop from rares/treasures in forbidden reach?
strong forum
armory display bug
sick sentinel
very weird
wraith hemlock
Got a WII, stonks
uncut thunder
Surprised once again at the garbage in my vault and the outcome of the sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nPpevs2zEyQfdivM8KhtZj
I used Decoration of flame for another ae aggro snap and survival but in M+ it looks like the vault Rumbling Ruby sims higher. worth getting?
strong forum
ruby does more dmg indeed
worldly parrot
i have a 402 rumbling ruby or something like that but i love it
im not sure how good it is but i like it lmao
urban portal
Attack power good
weary saddle
feels like i am gear capped now that the only upgrade possible is based on weekly opening of vault in the hope that RNG will give me the slot i want
uncut thunder
ruby does more dmg indeed
Do you think the loss of the extra survival / CD worth it overall? Obviously i can switch iut based on the situation
twin bramble
okay it's time, or its ready at least
“This item is not junk”
sick sentinel
the artisans have a quest to turn in the GREATER fragment to that
lesser sure, but thatsr a dangerous button to me
ashen coral
Hello, I would like to know, what is the best gem between the freeze gem and the storm gem (the one which depends on crit) ? I have already the storm one maxxed (and the combo) and I don’t know if it’s worth the time to farm for the freeze gem or not
sick sentinel
its desirous prophetic atorming/freezing is the combo u are thiking of
some people say storm ninja pulls adds, but im not sure
wheat bronze
It was hotfixed last night to no longer pull enemies you are not in combat with
ashen coral
I have storm and I saw the two builds so I don’t know
sick sentinel
u aren't locked to 1 gem set up
u can remove them a million times an place them back again with no consequence once you have the gem
ashen coral
Btw, where can I find numbers for the probabilities and all ?
Yes indeed but I don’t have the freeze gem yet, this is why I asked x)
dusky canopy
I have storm and I saw the two builds so I don’t know
Storm for Multi Target
Freeze for ST
If you are able too, setting up a ring for both is nice QoL because it’s really annoying to have to go back and forth all the time
ashen coral
Ok I see, so if I mainly do mythic+ for now storm is better ?
hollow bane
Hey, How does the prophetic twilight Stone work? Proccs heal By dmg and Then dmg again By the heal with red Stone?
topaz tinsel
have anyone ever tried this path in totjs?
sick sentinel
the gimick there is killing 1 boss unlocks the others exit upon death
dusky canopy
Ok I see, so if I mainly do mythic+ for now storm is better ?
Yes for higher overall damage run storm
For higher value damage run Freezing
topaz tinsel
oof
ashen coral
Yes for higher overall damage run storm
For higher value damage run Freezing
What do you mean by "value damage" ?
sick sentinel
DW about it tho really, just go mari, the water boys are a huge mechanic check and there is huge kicks on trash in mari's hall
dusky canopy
What do you mean by "value damage" ?
It’s higher value for you to do Single target damage as the tank than it is to pad on aoe
sick sentinel
it gives your dps a chance to get all those water guys with cd's
ashen coral
It’s higher value for you to do Single target damage as the tank than it is to p...
Oh, because I better take the aggro ?
dusky canopy
Well no, it’s because the biggest time sinks are the high health mobs or bosses
ashen coral
Oh right understood thanks !
dusky canopy
Ofc! still keep in mind If you like to have high overall then you run storm combo
ashen coral
Ok ok, do you know the chance of proc ? Because storm says that crits give a chance to proc but I only have 13% crit, while other gems say "damages"
distant crystal
p sure it's rppm not proc chance
so as long as you crit decently often it should proc about the same
dusky canopy
Crit would probably make it better but I wouldn’t worry about it to much you still run it to pad
ashen coral
What is rppm ?
Ok if it’s almost the same then it’s fine
distant crystal
it's 2.52 hasted rppm
so more haste prob helps it more than more crit, as long as you have some crit
dusky canopy
I actually don’t know the rppm but wowhead will show it most likely
distant crystal
it means real procs per minute
and it goes up the more haste you have, since it's hasted
dusky canopy
Yeah I meant what the stone is
distant crystal
er, 2.25 not 2.52
ashen coral
Oh ok, it’s weird that the description doesn’t fit with the proba but it’s fine if it depends on my haste
distant crystal
most procs these days are rppm instead of proc chance
sick sentinel
maybe i just recraft my boots
urban portal
Proc chance is very unhealthy for the game
dusky canopy
Everything changed to rppm in cata right?
I think it’s been rppm as long as I’ve been playing
Or I just didn’t pay any attention to that at the time lol
urban portal
Not sure but there are still some chance procs
They don’t want dh/rogues proccing stuff at 10x speed of arms
Is the main idea
jaunty haven
Is there a specific thing we should be training our whelp trinket on?
sick sentinel
is "combat potions" my standard healing potions
fair topaz
iirc it's the potion you use when mfs drop bloodlust
like elemental potion of power
it's on a different cooldown than the healing potions
Is flame licked really not good for the desirious prophetic combo? I use it because it can crit.
north panther
are blood, storm and twilight the best stones for the ring?
plush tendon
for M+ yea
muted wyvern
Im trying to make the Shield Block height bigger in the Luxthos WA but i incerease it and it wont change anyone had this issue?
hallow phoenix
I don't use that wa but maybe it's tied to a group and the group might have an override for those settings
muted wyvern
ok ty ill check it out
knotty vortex
keep the primal molten sabs or get the duskwatch
urban portal
Is there a specific thing we should be training our whelp trinket on?
Just play haste and don’t think
jaunty haven
Just play haste and don’t think
thanks
uneven mason
TFW you only did one m+ last week and it gives you boots, the same ones you're wearing
sick sentinel
better to do lariat or food boots (both 405) to 418,
strong forum
tfw d4 beta over and now youre empty waiting impatiently for 2 months
sick sentinel
i can self re-craft boot
if i do bracers i have to redo shield, so extra gold for mats
bracers is same thing
thoser 3 are most reasonable upgrades so i'll sim thodse 3
toxic pewter
tfw d4 beta over and now youre empty waiting impatiently for 2 months
I was at a wedding couldn’t play druid or Necro did you get a chance to try those
strong forum
didnt bother with necro, druid has insane potential, could think of like 7 builds
but does fuckall dmg without legendaries, falls off really hard
toxic pewter
Interesting
strong forum
necro is plain OP
toxic pewter
Ya I heard Necro does insane dam
undone verge
anyone know how much time is in between sparks spawn on rasz?
old sinew
tfw d4 beta over and now youre empty waiting impatiently for 2 months
It is kind of goofy that like, there’s a small content lull currently, but then the patch will come out in 7 weeks, and then 3 weeks after that d4. Blizzard has got to stop clustering their launches so close
And then 5 weeks after d4 comes out we’ll get patch 10.1.5 with the big new mega dungeon
I hope it’s good, the mega dungeon
chilly pulsar
You guys have experienced some strange shadowpulls on M+?
strong forum
storm infused stone likes to ninjapull there
deep spruce
Ring was pulling shit a few days ago, not sure if fixed
strong forum
but apparently thats fixed now
chilly pulsar
Like, on AA, there was a pack FAR AWAY from us and they went nuts against us
Both me and my friend is using Storm
strong forum
It is kind of goofy that like, there’s a small content lull currently, but then ...
d4 and DF s2 launch will 100% overlap
and shortly after d4 launch s1 of it will start soon aswell
strong forum
if it just happened today then yeah
sick sentinel
running a whole bunch of sims
amber siren
big numbers
valid violet
Hey guys, I can't seem to get the "Hidden Legacies" quest on my Warrior I've already completed the questline for the "Forbiden Reach" up to the Vault, so why can't I progress on my alt with my warrior?
sick sentinel
i have to find out if the stacks from alchemy idols drop after combat, because a comment said they are infinite duration
if they are infinite duration and doesn't drop after combat..... thats a big buff
main shoal
Guys idk which spec to open vault i have crafted 405 sword and shield but this week reward is 415 should i try to fish a one handed weapon or just run 16s for the infusions
I mainly do mplus btw
so no raid reward
cerulean tusk
so no raid reward
Grab the coins if you maxed out slots, use next set of coins to craft 418 if you wiff again.
old sinew
d4 and DF s2 launch will 100% overlap
I don’t per-say mind d4 releasing 2 weeks into the season since I m+ so I can just… wait for creation catalyst to open. It’s just unfortunate we sit around waiting for new stuff and then it comes in a huge wave after 6 months of waiting after the release of 10.0.
strong forum
yeah it is unfortch
main shoal
Grab the coins if you maxed out slots, use next set of coins to craft 418 if you...
What do you mean with maxed out slots?, also you mean the coins you get when not getting anything?
Picking anything from vault*
cerulean tusk
Nome is on the case
strong forum
you get 2 coins per slot, max of 3 slots, doesnt matter which
if you dont have 3 slots, you dont get a socket, meaning you gotta sit on 2 or 4 coins until you again have a shitty vault to pick coins, but at that point you might have actually done 3, so you get a socket, but still sit on 2/4 coins
old sinew
That feel when you ran 7 m+ on your bear instead of 8 and only got 4 vault coins 
cerulean tusk
That feel when you ran 7 m+ on your bear instead of 8 and only got 4 vault coins...
You bearly put in the effort.
toxic pewter
Season 2 and Diablo 4… the choice is tough
strong forum
but at this point i cant be fucked
legit stopped caring about my gear like 5 weeks ago on my war
strong forum
Season 2 and Diablo 4… the choice is tough
wow is dead to me the second d4 drops
main shoal
if you dont have 3 slots, you dont get a socket, meaning you gotta sit on 2 or 4...
Oh i see, but i still dont know if i should open vault on prot or fury since i technically can upgrade my crafted gear when i get 4 more essences
I have fury weps on 405 btw
strong forum
thats ultimately up to you
main shoal
Or maybe try and get the nokhud trinket? i dont really do raid tbh
toxic pewter
Yah Diablo 4 may become my new main game
main shoal
i use stone and hoof
old sinew
wow is dead to me the second d4 drops
D4 has the potential to scratch that dungeon crawling itch in a way that M+ simply hasn’t due to being held back by raider tears. We will see
strong forum
d4 can scratch the itch of playing a game that doesnt require minimum 4 other players on a schedule
you can just play
old sinew
True
I’m sadge no Pally by the way. I hope they’re swift at adding new classes
Paladin or Crusader either works
old sinew
A year would be big pog
cerulean tusk
D4 Paladin, only 69.99
old sinew
Honestly I liked all of the d3 classes other than witch doctor so I’m sure I’ll enjoy the 5 release classes.
And mechanically witch doctor was fine just didn’t vibe with the WoW-like aesthetic
strong forum
i exclusively played dh and barb
never touched anything else other than when i memed on hardcore for a few hours
never even got wizard to 70
im super proud of that btw hol up
old sinew
I’m so hyped to play hardcore again. Although d3 hardcore was a bit too easy
old sinew
All classes max on hardcore could be fun. Are there class trials in d4 like in d3? Set dungeons I think people called em?
strong forum
nah
viral shell
Hey guys, 418 Primal shield, mace or unstable frostfire belt first?
strong forum
shield > weapon > embellishments > ilvl upgrades
main shoal
Rip i guess lmao
sand kettle
maybe a dumb question, is dungeon slice sim good for our spec?
old sinew
No
sand kettle
thank you
old sinew
Dungeon slice legit jebaited me for a while making me think whetstone wasn’t that good until I learned how awful it was as a sim
strong forum
whetstone looks bigger than it is, its super good, but gotta keep in mind to remove 3% of its dmg in comparison to a str trinket
main shoal
Speaking of, which mplus trinkets are good besides whetstone?
strong forum
blazing hoof/trampling hoof
sand kettle
hunger of the pack any good? or is trampling hoof just a better passive trinket?
strong forum
hunger is solid aswell, cant go wrong with it
main shoal
I have whetstone, blazing hoof and toe, should i sim to see which is the best combo?
sand kettle
feast upon the toe
main shoal
Also how do you properly sim for aoe?
cerulean tusk
5 target sim, then do a 8 target and finally a 12 target.
old sinew
I have whetstone, blazing hoof and toe, should i sim to see which is the best co...
You can sim but pretty sure whetstone and hoof is best
royal rune
is hunger of the pack any good?
cerulean tusk
is hunger of the pack any good?
Why ask in all channels. Just go and check pins, lists are there. Or head over to blood mallet 
uncut thunder
Rip i guess lmao
Better then me bud. I got 2 necks of the 5 slots I opened.
tidal temple
Is 58k dps overall as protection in M+ bad? At level 19-21
warm plinth
What dungeon, what ilevel?
tidal temple
21 AA, 417. Obviously a bit deflated due to spiteful.
warm plinth
58k is low for AA
tidal temple
warm plinth
spiteful generally inflates DPS btw, not deflates. Because you have more targets more of the time.
pallid quiver
AA's the pump number dungeon; can probably slap 70k even if you just somehow avoid hitting them and wait it out instead of chain pulling
tidal temple
We did wipe like mad. Do all warriors use windsheer? I swapped mine out thinking I could use the extra survavility, but starting to think that's cope.
Yeah, sorry.
pallid quiver
It's stonky number that you just send
warm plinth
Survivability is about gameplay. A trinket or stat threshold or whatever is not really ever going to be the deciding factor.
pallid quiver
Its damage is separate from our own attack power/kit and is meant to be viable for DPS, so it adds a good chunk of damage for us
On top of that, even if you did use a trinket for survival, there's none that are particularly good at that
warm plinth
Yeah, the closest we have to a good "defensive" trinket is all-totem and we like it because it does uncapped aoe damage 😂
tidal temple
Which trinkets do you guys recommend, together with windscar?
pallid quiver
All the defensive tank trinkets are poor (Granyth's) and the stats you gain won't really make you survive anything that you just need to play well for
warm plinth
do you have access to raid trinkets or no?
pallid quiver
Windscar All-Totem is M+ bis if so
warm plinth
Both are very mediocre in keys
pallid quiver
Rumbling sim real good tho
sim traps smh
warm plinth
If you can, shoot for all-totem from raid or blazebinder's hoof/idol of trampling hooves from keys
main shoal
How come raidbots doesnt take in account eh wep enchantment? it says frozen 2 is better than 3
urban portal
Rumbling ruby good
urban portal
How come raidbots doesnt take in account eh wep enchantment? it says frozen 2 is...
Variance
pallid quiver
Rumbling's damage if it doesn't blow a proc at the wrong time
pallid quiver
Hence you won't usually hit the sim goals
pallid quiver
Probably still better than most M+ trinks?
tidal temple
Also has main stat, or is main stat nowhere near as good as I think it is?
urban portal
Probably
tidal temple
Ofc
pallid quiver
1 point of str is like a bajillion haste or something
tidal temple
We go rumbling, issue is 100% trinkets, not my own personal gameplay /s
pallid quiver
I want to get into a raid to even try to get a raid trinket.
urban portal
It’s good on st
pallid quiver
Every time I've had the chance recently, they're full on tanks
And I still haven't gotten another spark or a 2H drop
So i can't dps either
warm plinth
Spark drop rate is actual garbage tbh
I play 5 toons and I've gotten a single spark since they were able to drop
strong forum
They stealth buffed the trinket from 10% per stack to 25% per stack, so it actually ramps up now in dmg instead of staying at the same dps
pallid quiver
Someone I know got two first week they dropped
And have gotten at least one every week since
warm plinth
I'm curious where we're going to get the fragments from next season for the new sparks.
The only confirmed source is a 1-time quest iirc
sick sentinel
what trinket got stealth buffed
slim dove
Spark drop rate is actual garbage tbh
got one on my first m+ dungeon on my rdruid
:ez:
warm plinth
talking about spiteful storm?
ah yeah, glad they buffed it because it was definitely something that should've been good on single target
very infinite stars-esque
with less rng lol
slim dove
shame its still not worth reclearing raz for lul
warm plinth
Only downside is that storm benefits from a longer kill
barren geyser
you guys know things right?
is Shield Charge on the Stun DR?
either "causing" it or affected by it
main shoal
Toe sims higher than hoof, should i go for that? also using new rign with storm, blood, prophetic
old sinew
either "causing" it or affected by it
shield charge is a stun that causes DR and is effected by DR, yes
jade pulsar
Dunno if this is known but a FYI: Desirous Blood Stone can ninja pull if u have damage ticking on mobs and u target something you're not in combat with, the dot can apply to the out of combat target you have targetted. Has happened to me twice today.
barren geyser
shield charge is a stun that causes DR and is effected by DR, yes
cool, thanks
forest dagger
Stone question. I got "Seal of Diurna's Chosen" in my box (finally yay) would it make sense to use the flame licked stone over say the frozen for more fire dmg proc chances? I do have the Frostfire belt.
Cool. I'll stick to frozen/storm then since I have those 🙂
Thanks
chilly pulsar
Tips on how to better tank RLP's first room on Sanguine/Explosive week
I got 2 tries on 20 and 19 and dps were all bitching about doing bigger pulls
They bodypulled, died and left
I try sticking to max 2 earthshapers and bring them back to the juggernaut's room for space
agile elbow
Less of a you problem and more of a healer and them problem sounds like.
chilly pulsar
Grieftorch still best option for trinket along with Icon?
rugged pasture
Is there a consensus on best Primordial sotnes? Desirious and Prophetic still best? What third is best for Mythic p[lus pushing?
jade pulsar
check pin
dusky canopy
Is 58k dps overall as protection in M+ bad? At level 19-21
I think I did 93k in my last 21 AA for reference. (Obviously late to this convo )
warm plinth
I try sticking to max 2 earthshapers and bring them back to the juggernaut's roo...
Pulling them back seems unnecessary. Just move them enough to get them out of sanguine and call it good
hard dust
how many seconds have to be left to not overwrite shield block?
or at least get the full benefit?
turbid shuttle
how many seconds have to be left to not overwrite shield block?
depends on talents I think (because of duration extension). For me it's 23s max, and 8s duration, so full value when buff is 15s or less.
craggy pilot
anyone know how much DMG the 3 shield gems do in M+ compared to pure dps gems?
if i have the Obsidian one that does AOE dmg on shield
turbid shuttle
damage gems do more than shield proc gem in my experience
craggy pilot
just sitting here with my Prot Pala, wondering what to gem 🤔 i have all 3 shield gems, and could go full tank mode
and i have 2 of the dmg gems (Freezing + Desirious) and missing the 3rd
turbid shuttle
damage gems were roughly 7.5k pretty consistently, while shield proc gem was like half that or maybe less.
craggy pilot
damage gems were roughly 7.5k pretty consistently, while shield proc gem was lik...
half ye ok thats pretty bad
what about the heal gems? that also sounds pretty fun
turbid shuttle
I tried them a bit too. they did pitiful hps for me.
craggy pilot
like, on par with pain and gain or something
ye but it goes on allies no?
turbid shuttle
yeah
but like, healing your entire team combined over an entire key for the same amount as pain and gain (which is small)
craggy pilot
and might proc more on Prot Pala idk
turbid shuttle
like it's so negligible
craggy pilot
true
thinking ill go for the 3 shields on gem
and just be done with the ring for my Pala
cba grinding more gems
but i alrdy feel unkillable on Prot Pala 😄
slim dove
Damage gems > all
craggy pilot
guessing since the shield doesnt help much either?
slim dove
Gems won't fix bad play
old sinew
uhh
old sinew
I mean if you're ilvl 360 tanking a 20, these gems are better than DPS gems
cuz your DPS will carry your key, and you need to just not die
craggy pilot
im 397
old sinew
and doing 20s right
I mean eh, I don't think 397 is per-say undergeared for a 20. Still, if the DPS are like 415 or whatever, your tank damage isn't going to somehow tip the scales, whereas a small amount of living more might help you
craggy pilot
if i could get invited sure 😄
like i dont think i have issues not dying anyway
pala is unkillable
old sinew
if you're doing 16s just do the dps gems then
craggy pilot
it was more like what would be better to push S2 with
because i rly dont wanna spend more time getting gems if im just swapping back to shield 😄
warm plinth
how many seconds have to be left to not overwrite shield block?
Max duration is 24 seconds assuming you're playing Enduring Defenses (you should be).
craggy pilot
is the best combo still the blood drain?
warm plinth
is the best combo still the blood drain?
Desirous/Prophetic and Freezing for ST or Storm for AoE
craggy pilot
Desirious / Prophetic wasnt nerfed?
warm plinth
no
The only thing that's changed for us since the desirous/prophetic thing was discovered is we don't use humming anymore due to the 20 second ICD it has now
grizzled kite
Someone really needs to update the build pins for the calculator
sick sentinel
frames before disaster
old sinew
bro my wish was granted, we're getting both VP testing and new affix testing this weekend 😮
sick sentinel
i agree it feels weird to just get rid of the 10 affix
warm plinth
https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-season-2-mythic-affixes-revealed-quaking-grievous-volcanic-removed-332181?webhook These new affixes are fucking cancer.
grizzled kite
https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-season-2-mythic-affixes-revealed-quaking-grievo...
even more things to interrupt and stop?
warm plinth
Stop, cleanse, heal, and one fucking roots you
sick sentinel
why couldn't they just remove explosive fwifjaifojwefajwiefaw
warm plinth
or snares w/e
sick sentinel
New Affix: Incorporeal – While in combat, incorporeal beings appear and attempt to destabilize players with spells that reduce their damage and healing done. Incorporeal beings are susceptible to all forms of crowd control.
New Affix: Afflicted – While in combat, Afflicted Souls appear that seek the aid of players. Afflicted Souls spawn with poison, curse, and disease afflictions. Removing any of these afflictions or restoring the spirit to full health causes it to despawn. Fail to remove their afflictions in time will inflict players with a negative status effect.
New Affix: Entangling – While in combat, entangling vines snare players.
Updated Affix: Explosive – Fewer Explosive Orbs spawn, but they now have substantially higher health.
grizzled kite
you can now parse on orbs btw
warm plinth
Explosive change needs to be like...way less orbs to not be awful
sick sentinel
I agree like 90% less
Just make it like 95% less, somewhat high health and guaranteed 1 shot
New Affix: Entangling – While in combat, entangling vines snare players.
yes, avatar, but nooooooooooooooo
nonononono
gunna make my life hell on odyn type fights
some gaint run out mechanic
imagine that shit on odyn
old sinew
I actually like incorporeal. Damage Down instead of killing someone for fucking up the mechanic, and getting people to actually use CCs
sick sentinel
Yeah, I think reducing / adding damage instead of wiping the group is a step in the right direction
go play that odyn with that vines affix and see how that goes how long it takes till you get pissed off
Luckily we probably won't see HoV again for a long long while ^^
old sinew
Incorporeal is cool, Afflicted is yucky. Affilcted is going to be so fucking sus in Brackenhide
old sinew
Volcanic is too easy
grizzled kite
could fuck up certain boss fights though
sick sentinel
easy but deadly, so it's, not unfair, because you wouldn't see it if its unfair
grizzled kite
just a pain with shit timings
sick sentinel
but its some other other one of those types of words
grizzled kite
like quaking
sick sentinel
Yeah afflicted looks fucking disgusting since you need multiple people to be able to do them all
Idk why they don't juts give all healers a dispel that does them all
old sinew
I just noticed it says you can heal it. Which makes it a bit less cringe since you can simply heal up the afflicted if you get into that sus situation where you have a bunch of diseases out and get this guy spawning but its still kind of yucky
sick sentinel
ah true
warm plinth
Yeah afflicted looks fucking disgusting since you need multiple people to be abl...
No you don't
They spawn with all of those types of things on them. Cleansing one makes them go away.
and worst case scenario you heal them
craggy pilot
how does the Stones work? if i smash them do i get random other stones or nah?
warm plinth
You get 6 of the fragments from each stone you smash
You can buy the random stone type things frmo the nearby vendor for 10 fragments
(like the items you use to get a random stone of that type)
craggy pilot
cleared entire 2 layers, and still only have 2/3 gems
sick sentinel
ohhhh
i read it as it would spawn with 1 of the 3 possible afflictions. Thanks @warm plinth
incorporeal beings appear and attempt to destabilize players with spells that reduce their damage and healing done
torn gulch
holy snap what are these new affixes
sick sentinel
whatever the hell that means
sick sentinel
what the hell is a destabilize a player i wonder
probably stun blind sleep sap incap
craggy pilot
what the hell is a destabilize a player i wonder
probably "reduce their damage and healing done" is all it means
old sinew
probably "reduce their damage and healing done" is all it means
yeah you just get a damage done
craggy pilot
similar to losing soul in Nokhud
craggy pilot
It literally says in the description
BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN 
dusky canopy
Yeah you right details is wild
sick sentinel
oh, lame
warm plinth
I mean these are the types of affixes that people have said they want, and it's a much smaller disruption than some of the existing affixes.
sick sentinel
i thought it was destabilize, like you get some CC shit on you, and then,u get dmg/heal reduction
warm plinth
Like a damage debuff isn't going to wipe you. But it will make the pull harder if you don't counter it
sick sentinel
its probably tied to some ability that hits for a whole bunch
i don't feel like being destablilized at any rate
strong forum
BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN <:SweatPopcorn:997088541903421550>
Stun the mob = GG no debuff
Don't stun the mob = get debuffed kid
warm plinth
Yogi
sick sentinel
big monsteer cant stunc ant cc
craggy pilot
Stun the mob = GG no debuff
yup
strong forum
It literally says they're susceptible to all forms of cc
craggy pilot
was meming 😄
dusky canopy
Nom does 100k+
sick sentinel
hahahaha, that would be disgusting put that on a mob that u cant CC
strong forum
Itf + BB + short roar + high keylevel
= profit
Tree boss is the secret to high dps in AA
sick sentinel
seems interesting all that shit anyways
entangling will be a pug destroyer, calling it now
strong forum
Also obv big pulls whilst also shrouding bridges
sick sentinel
somehow someway
warm plinth
Yeah it's like Tol Dagor overalls. 30% of your damage in the dungeon comes from the beach pull
sick sentinel
boss 1 TD was a total wall for some groups
dusky canopy
Overall higher when packs live longer
strong forum
It was the hardest boss
dusky canopy
More better cd usage
strong forum
Not getting 1shot from first boss TD Was a real gatekeeper
sick sentinel
good lord i can't even begin to count the amount of TD keys i'd run, we get to the beetle, someone dies, we pull again, wipe, disband group
sick sentinel
that place was a nightmare
dusky canopy
Not my favorite that’s for sure
pallid quiver
I pop open during work to see there's new affixes,
Entangling sounds like druids are gonna tell everyone to piss off and they make their own crew
sick sentinel
its hard
doing proper cannoning is not fun, i don't envy them at all, alot can go wrong
for 1, it counts u as aggro from the cannto
so ur mage gets like GIGA threat
cloud umbra
It was all about mass pulling into a fat ring of frost and when they are grouped smash em
warm plinth
There's no fucking shot they're this stupid.
sick sentinel
for me its about they didn't use the cannon at the right spot
sick sentinel
if done right you can hit 1 groups, involves 1 or 2 kicks
cloud umbra
There's no fucking shot they're this stupid.
I can’t imagine anyone will approve of that
dusky canopy
🧠
cloud umbra
I hope it’s dispellable
slim dove
It literally says they're susceptible to all forms of cc
boomkins crying having to hard cast a cc for an affix
kek.
sick sentinel
There's no fucking shot they're this stupid.
?? where is the issue
slim dove
so glad i reroll boom and they get a 7% st nerf 2 days after i get it geared lol
dusky canopy
Not only that dude explosives are no longer healer affix??????????
cloud umbra
I main resto Druid that affix is dead for us
dusky canopy
Reeee
sick sentinel
i mean like, yeah, but it can probably be removed somehow
warm plinth
Sorry about that swirlie that 1-shots you bro, you got randomly rooted.
dusky canopy
Literally any mechanic that requires you to move or you die
You can now be rooted in it
🧠
warm plinth
Sorry about that frontal that you can normally avoid easily. You just got randomly rooted.
cloud umbra
Odin circle. 2nd boss of ruby and every trash pack
sick sentinel
my dragon lept out of the yellow swirly
sick sentinel
and as he was yeeting
a blue swirly
formed under where he would then land
and he died
so, either way, he's fucked
warm plinth
And that changes my point how
warm plinth
Big pulls you can also forego pressing shield slam because you don't need the rage
since you get a ton from bloodsurge
mighty valley
I’ll chill when the affix’s don’t get me killed with no way to out play them
how many times has entangling gotten you killed with no way to outplay it so far
dusky canopy
ZERO
warm plinth
In my mind? A lot
dusky canopy
🧠
sick sentinel
how many times in classic you been minding you're business in pvp
dusky canopy
5 head question wasn’t it
mighty valley
right. so you should chill, yeah?
sick sentinel
and some druid starts chain rootsing you, moonboy shit
then ur dead
chicken killed u
now hes dancin
dusky canopy
We get to test these in ptr that should be good
prisma crane
calling it now, this new explosive affix is going to be worse than the one we have
dusky canopy
Yeah it’s going to feel worse for everyone except healers
prisma crane
especially if aoe abilities still dont hit it
warm plinth
Considering how bad thundering was when it was first released, there's not really any incentive for us not to go to the worst case scenario when speculating.
dusky canopy
Because we have to actually do it now and healers don’t
sick sentinel
i think for pugs entangling will be a nightmare and for good groups it will be a nothing
prisma crane
we can only AA or SS it
warm plinth
The explosive affix is a needed change
dusky canopy
I can agree with that
prisma crane
yea, the change was to join those other 3 and be removed
sick sentinel
roots could be some, you have to, sruggle out, or your friends have to attack the vines
warm plinth
Like making it a group effort is literally thep oint of the change
instead of it being just the healer all the time
dusky canopy
roots could be some, you have to, sruggle out, or your friends have to attack th...
I think if the vine is like a slow that’s one thing but hard rooted for X time is going to be balls
No other way about it imo
prisma crane
incorporeal just sounds like something to put more shit on DR faster w/ aoe CC
sick sentinel
The explosive affix is a needed change
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1090403900424732682/image.png current explosive is fine, what do you mean
mighty valley
incorporeal just sounds like something to put more shit on DR faster w/ aoe CC
why would you aoe cc it
warm plinth
yeah like...I'd be gouging or kidney shotting it, or storm bolt it on warrior
prisma crane
if your ST CC isnt available, depends on spawn rate
and this also relies on dungeons not already having 5x other items that need to be CC'd / interrupted
they said they're working on that not being the case, but we'll see
Afflicted sounds terrible to anyone that doesnt have friendly nameplates on
sick sentinel
im not sure if VP is going to be easy o not
one of the guys literal has greater heal spell
mighty valley
cool we're all gonna do the "this is going to hit live in a worst case scenario design that i made up in my head"
sick sentinel
trash guy a blue horse wing man guy
mighty valley
and yell about it for a few days
pallid quiver
I look back again to see people saying there's no way to outplay emtangling
mighty valley
have fun
prisma crane
i mean it's speculation, if you don't like it you dont have to read it
pallid quiver
Like bro, just pick better in character select and pick druid 🙂
That's all I want to see
It'd be hilarious
mighty valley
if i had as low expectations for this game as many of you seem to, i would have found something else to do with my time years ago
sick sentinel
the wind dragon tryanical is going to be the pug deleter
prisma crane
low expectations =/= not enjoying the parts i enjoy
warm plinth
You're making it out like we're rioting in here when we're literally just speculating like people do with every new thing in the game ever.
pallid quiver
I have lower expectations for a lot of other games, to be fair, but I also don't expect the root to be that bad after they shake it through the system
prisma crane
calling out bad design (opinions) isn't all doom, it's that we've played wow long enough to see potential issues
and im not even CLOSE to as talented as some are at seeing problems early
tropic gorge
woo 418 gloves in my vault
sick sentinel
sometimes we play the game because we want to see everything go wrong
warm plinth
They literally asked for feedback on it. And talking it out and venting the worst case scenarios is healthy for that because you have a clearer headspace when you actually test it
tropic gorge
not a very good bonus roll. but i guess it'll work
prisma crane
also that, if you look at worst case, you can see flaws, if you're trying already to justify it being fine you're not going to tease out issues
mighty valley
sorry i know i have a lower tolerance for dooming than most, i'll chill and bounce for a while
dusky canopy
How dare we come into a public space designed around theorycrafting
And start theorycrafting
prisma crane
its fine, im just saying that negative opinions on something new isnt always just being negative
sick sentinel
doom is life
prisma crane
criticism imo is only bad if purely given without potential solutions
sick sentinel
if not play wow, play some form of doom-ish game
warm plinth
I think we can all agree that no one is going to miss grievous or quaking though.
mighty valley
it just doesn't seem like theorycrafting at all? it's just assuming the worst and describing that. which sure, i should chill out about, everyone can react how they want
prisma crane
like this new explosive, time will tell how many will actually spawn, but if "substantially more health" is truly substantial, they're going to have to allow aoe to hit them again
sick sentinel
right now im playin fear 2,