protection

[sick sentinel]

i did tell them that right before disaster happened, and it seemed to cause us to wipe,

[uneven mason]

Is he though

[cinder nova]

Idk barbaric isn't that bad

[hidden linden]

It is tho

[cinder nova]

I don't think I've actually gassed out on even mythic prog

Just don't be a geed and have even an ounce of self-control to float your rage between 50 and cap without overcap

Honestly, I still have plenty of moments where I have to dump NOT to cap

[cunning lodge]

for example about barbaric, i've seen mythic diurna logs and most of the top prot warriors used barbaric

[cinder nova]

Especially with sudden death

Yeah it's not as bad as you think, it's just going to require you not to bust your load like a goober

[cunning lodge]

use it only if you are going to do only aoe

[cinder nova]

Mmmh... pretty sure it still sims higher in ST too.

It's obviously super easy to use in M+ from Bloodsurge

[cunning lodge]

on st its better spam revenge and have more shield slam procs

[cinder nova]

If Barbaric is still simming higher it's not really gonna matter unless you're dying a ton from gassing out.

[sharp forge]

It cost 50% more rage for only 1/4th of the increase damage. . . Not worth

[cinder nova]

The only point where that would matter is when 2p/4p get into the mix - more specifically 2p.

We're not even rage-starved.

[craggy pilot]

its not about rage starved, its about more Revenges = more chances for SS to reset

extra rage doesnt really matter, it still just has 1 chance of resetting SS

so you lose 10 rage for minimal dmg gain on Revenge

[sharp forge]

I feel like it's not needed though for increased damage over just increasing your bleed damage. Instead.

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but more SS doesn't mean much if it's still simming outside the margin of error as better.

[craggy pilot]

more SS is bad?

more at 5

[cinder nova]

Keep reading, I know it's hard.

Go ahead and finish the sentence.

[sharp forge]

Question, is the new ring better over a good stats 415ilvl etc Ring from NO.

[cinder nova]

Probably. The right gems do a ton of damage on their own.

I haven't seen anything beyond a 411 Seal doing more than my 389 Cobalt, and I'm pretty sure this thing eclipses it by a mile.

I think there's some stuff in the pins about simming for it.

[craggy pilot]

sim it

[sharp forge]

Alright, I'll definitely sim it than jw cause atm my stats are ass due to my offset ring is the erranog ring for the vers/belt it provides. . . And typically only doing like 52-57k in 20+ keys

[craggy pilot]

https://old.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/11z1wgc/sim_all_combinations_of_primordial_stones_in_one/

[cinder nova]

Those numbers are acceptable to floundering depending on the key.

[sharp forge]

It was shadowmoon I did those numbers in. But I mean for the combo of gems it's blood,twilight, and Storming since humming got that far nerf yeah?

[cinder nova]

Freezing instead of Storming for ST, but yeah

[sharp forge]

Yeah, was jw for M+ since outside Terros you orbs wouldn't use freezing since this raid is so 2+ targets heavy in the fights

[cunning lodge]

i've a problem with storming, im sure that that gem pull mobs that are not on combat

pull/hit mobs

[limpid anchor]

Yes

It can Ninja

[cunning lodge]

on CoS its a pain on my ass

[sharp forge]

it has like a 20 yard range to pulling something

[sick sentinel]

last night you guys were saying its fine to lust on odyn pull? we had someone do lust on skovald so odyn was able to kill our healer and we died a bunch

i've normally heard lust is saved for odyn angel 90% part

[limpid anchor]

Bcs it’s the highest dps increase

Doesn’t mean you have to use it

You don’t wipe to Odyn just because you don’t have lust

[sick sentinel]

i didn't really catch how, but healer died too early on me first pull and it just went downhill, we still completed over time just yeah

its not impossible to stay alive on 16 with dead healer on grevious, but its not a good time

the moment of his death

i figured it out now......... note the file name if it shows it

he yeeted him self out of the yellow into a blue, and blue up, hmmm thats not first pull ill look again

first pull was warlock and paladin died then healer during p1 brand

im double checking on outplayed, frame by frame if i have to

[old sinew]

Freezing is cute in AV the slow works on bosses so you can get more uptime on the 2nd boss as it takes longer to run mid lol

[sick sentinel]

slows working on boss monsers? that sounds like needs a hotfix or looking at im all for overpowered ring, but that might be too far

[regal yacht]

Is wowhead guide current on bis gems for rings.

[halcyon horizon]

This UI is giving me ptsd

[dusky grotto]

thoughts on getting some of the shield stones in my ring while im a lower ilvl? to be able to tank higher keys

[strong forum]

Define lower ilvl and which level of keys

[sick sentinel]

what parts give you the most trouble

[dusky grotto]

im 380 atm, would like t get +16s going asap

[strong forum]

If anything lower ilvl is more of a reason to get the dmg gems

[sick sentinel]

everything is just a "return to square 1" answer, so you could also circle the parts you done like

[strong forum]

The defensive rings are whack

[sick sentinel]

its 3k dps :S its not that great

[dusky grotto]

ok, just thinking about being able to survive more and let DPS handle hat aspect of it, but just going DPS off the bat makes it easier

[halcyon horizon]

Useless boss bars on the top of the screen
triple details team hp bars on the left that are hard to read
mob/focus ? HP bar not centered with yours, your HP bar not above your spells
the Minimap being on the left side for no reason (but this is personnal I guess)
Bags ??? what use is there to have bags
The tchat is so BIG
Why are stances buttons so BIG ?!?

I guess most of it is personal feelings or smth, but it feels like a mess to me 🥲

[strong forum]

380 is fine for 16s,but getting invited is the hard part

And with the dps gems you're more likely to keep threat

[dusky grotto]

ok will do storm/desirous/prophetic then

[void glacier]

nononono that was the good key with the good healer. like i SAID i dont have the log cause the 21 was abborted.

i know that i fucked up the beam cause i was distracted like an idiot. ^^

[toxic gyro]

You can have full 395 gear with just killing some rares in forbidden reach, and you’ll get keys for vault, so you can get your ring going

[dusky grotto]

ive killed so many rares, still missing shoulders and boots ><

[toxic gyro]

You can specifically buy them from vendor

With overflowing dust or whatever it’s called

[dusky grotto]

really? oh wow. at the town there?

[toxic gyro]

Yea

I think that’s what you buy it with

[dusky grotto]

oh cool ty, how did i not know that haha

[toxic gyro]

Didn’t pay too much attention to it bc I don’t need those, but pretty sure I saw it there

[dusky grotto]

gonna go look rn

ohh its the 359 stuff from the other storms

[toxic gyro]

Well it will help you get your ilvl going, if you don’t have friends to run m+ with, run and build your own key. Otherwise you will get declined a lot to 16+. Most ppl expect 415 and 3k up to carry their keys lol

Also get as many plate wearers as you can to fed you gear 👍

[sick sentinel]

i cant remove the bag bar, but i can get rid of some of the other useless stuff

don't feel like having to install another U I addon main thing

[uneven mason]

Where's your wa yogi

Like literally hide everything else and just plop important information on a wa

Put it across your characters ass

Done

[sick sentinel]

On what scenario are those guys going full defensive primordials ?

[agile elbow]

Maybe if they have bad healers?

[sick sentinel]

pugging grevious as a life long noob

[strong forum]

testing out if its trash or not

spoiler

its trash

[sick sentinel]

whats the PPM for indom gem as opposed to gleaming, which i saw at 2.25

[sick sentinel]

rip

[sick sentinel]

Would assume best combination its the first one, right?

i was only able to get 3100 dps out of it, and someone says it should be able to do 3900 dps

like with the shining

[oak heath]

hi, new protection warrior here. i was using the pinned wowhead guide from the faq and i noticed it doesn't have spell block. do you generally advice against using spell block or are there specific dungeons where there is a point to be made for using spell block ?

[pallid quiver]

You swap into Spell Block when you need it

For talent builds, though, we generally recommend what's in our pins here

For example, it's a decent pickup in dungeons like Temple and RLP, where you can get a lot of use out of it on both some trash and specific bosses

[full light]

sometimes its mandatory, like in TJS/RLP
but most of the times its just usefull and can be swaped

[pallid quiver]

AV's another one it gets used in pretty often

[oak heath]

alright thanks!

[sick sentinel]

The risky of damage primordal stones its worth the risk of ninja pulling mobs ? I heard its a known bug.

stick to hits maximum 1 target if ur afraid of this

[sick sentinel]

Im not. Its just pugs now demand you to change your ring if you have the "ninja" pull effect from primordial stones.
But over 11 keys never happened to me yet.

next time fort week is up is when im going to push fort keys for io

grevious is gross with the average joe pug

[plush tendon]

ive done like 10 keys this week with it; it ninja pulled once

but also, if you scared of a ninja pull, just take the ring off; its honestly not that big; it does really well at lower target counts (like >5) but once you get to like 7 or 8 targets, youd rather have stats

[sick sentinel]

main thing i cant stand about ninja pull is once it involves a second player or seperate group of adds, it's then immediately GG

cuz like, the mage got saw, he got healed and then the healers got aggro and we die

Massive dps loss but yea

[round pendant]

Ninja pulled for me twice in 1 key, kinda depends on the key

RLP first room is ninja pull heaven

[sick sentinel]

that to me is instant rage quit for few hours

[round pendant]

CoS is pretty bad too

They need to just fix it :)

[sick sentinel]

Your positioning can affect ninja pull also. Might b why i never had a problem with it also

[round pendant]

I'm so mad at my alt gearing rn, stuck with a 359 helm because nothing will drop

[plush tendon]

yea, the ninja pull we had was pulling the tree pack in AV on the top of the stairs, around the corner while we were clearing the boss area

but its also hard to tell if the ring is actually good; like in details its like 10% of my damage.... but my overall hasnt felt that its changed all that much

[round pendant]

well you lose stats so it's not a flat 10% increase

[plush tendon]

and the loss of haste from my ring feels bad AF

[plush tendon]

yea, thats why its hard to tell if it makes a difference or not

though, the ring feels really good on my DK

actually did 80k overall in a AA on blood: was super stocked

[faint mica]

hi guys, just a little tips, how do we deal with drake 2nd breath in HOV 1st big pull?

[plush tendon]

rotate Ds?

healer external?

[sick sentinel]

spell block 1, wall 2nd

[plush tendon]

well.... you dont need spell block

kind of depends on key level

imo

not much use for spell block the rest of the dungeon unfortutuantly

[sick sentinel]

its not very good for hov no, but it does stop some mgc dmg

[plush tendon]

you could prob get away with Demo+Spell Reflect first

SW second

[faint mica]

I pretty much run spellblock every dungeon tbh by lazyness :x

[plush tendon]

Third Last Stand+Spell Reflect

[faint mica]

I mean there isn't some weird cheese like leap to outrange?

[plush tendon]

and if you get a fourth.... well the pack should be dead by then

[faint mica]

it's just cd

[lime urchin]

Just tell your dps to do more dps

[plush tendon]

tech yes;

[remote venture]

Spell Reflaction should be enough

[plush tendon]

25 yard range, so you could leap away; just make sure not to jump and change the direction onto your dps

[sick sentinel]

TONS of my dps used to randomly flop to that

[faint mica]

just heard someone talking about leap but wasnt sure

[sick sentinel]

not so much right now

[plush tendon]

in that first pull Spell Reflect is enough for the breath alone; but breath+the other mob melees and power strikes is deadly

[sick sentinel]

how the fuck you not know a dragon got breath......

[plush tendon]

so you should try to D up there cause it could be a one shot with all that synced

[sick sentinel]

they teach you this shit at like 1.5 years old

[plush tendon]

and its not like you need Ds for Hymdall

[hard dust]

so have the stones been buffed enough to be usable yet?

[sick sentinel]

is hymdall the golden balls?

[round pendant]

yes

[sick sentinel]

if so, just, don't get hit lol

[plush tendon]

they are good at low target counts

sim yourself to check

[sick sentinel]

the pattern for that is fixed, and i'll never get hit by th gold balls ever again

[plush tendon]

no, Hymdall is dragon fly bys

[sick sentinel]

oh right, yeah, that dragon breath is amazingly powerful

beware indeed

[hard dust]

which ones should we be using? Currently have the blood stone that heals and damages, an ice stone and the procs off of damage to do a healing stone (aka the blood combo one)

[plush tendon]

just swap the frost for the shock stone (storm infused)

for M+

[sick sentinel]

i save my leaper for dragon breath, would be exciting mechanic if it was all boss long, occurs faster

[faint mica]

do you guys know a good wa wich show really well magic dmg vs physical dmg taken? I need to improve my keys tanking alot

I don't use reflect as much as I should (like dragon breath on hov)

for magic dmg mitigation

[plush tendon]

use the spreadsheet in the pigns to figure out whats refelctable, blockable, and spell blockable

and log your key and bring it here

[faint mica]

the whole spreadsheet is alot to absorb as knowledge tbh, I have a wa based on spreadsheet for mains reflects and I would like to see visualy during "low key" like when I do my weeklys what hurts alot as magical

I will post logs if I don't get it when I push keys

ofc

but thats the next step and I want to avoid some depletes 🙂

[pallid quiver]

You should use it to look for abilities of concern and prioritize what you pull from there

[faint mica]

that's true

[pallid quiver]

As well as generalizing "everything this guy does is spell blockable" or along those lines

[plush tendon]

you just need to make sure you are using your CDs well (or just pressing them as much as you can), keep good block uptime, and not wasting rage

[pallid quiver]

You don't need to know if "Piddle Slap", which hits the target for 0.01% of their max HP is reflectable,

You need to know if "Death God Hand, Destroyer of Tank Anuses" which will one shot 5 tanks put together, is reflectable

[faint mica]

I need to improve on my big CD uses as pwar my "basics" are kinda decent I guess

and the magic dr of reflect I legit never use it this way

and it's pretty dumb

is there any high pwar pov keys vod ?

[pallid quiver]

I believe Sense has some on his channel?

[toxic gyro]

Have one window on details show dmg taken by spell

[pallid quiver]

https://www.youtube.com/c/SenseNurfed
Yeah, he's got a few like +26 stuff

[toxic gyro]

If you took a lot of dmg on certain pull you can easily see what caused it

[faint mica]

The kind of problem with this is I have to remember wich pull rekted me to the end of dungeon and if I don't die on it most of the time I'll struggle to remember haha

[modern brook]

plka also likely has some good vods

Nomeratur's also

though idk how high he want this season

[faint mica]

I'll check those vod tho thanks guys

And I'll die in some key aswell its part of the learning anyway

Going from vdh to pwar is really weird about what hit you like a truck

[pallid quiver]

You can also log yourself and check when your HP dropped low

because your HP shouldn't drop low as prot war outside of specific scripted instances

[faint mica]

Thats a great idea aswell

[pallid quiver]

When you do that, you can also zoom in to that general time period and look at your damage taken for that time period

So you don't need to remember what hit you hard through the dungeon; you can just check it at the end

[faint mica]

Thats a good fix to my poor memory !

Raiders.io logs keys right?

I will try to upload and check I should already got some

[pallid quiver]

warcraft logs is where ya go

And you need to set up some form of logging, first

Either manually or via an addon

[faint mica]

Yeah but it toggles logs on I think

[old sinew]

Piddle slap does damage on a 26 fort tho

[sand hound]

is kimbul buff worth it as zanadalari? i feel like it does very little damage but not sure how it compares to other buffs

for m+

[topaz field]

no pick the crit buff

its always better

[karmic plinth]

you probably want paku for crit buff

[urban portal]

they all kinda suck

[topaz field]

iirc from bfa its around 20-30 % uptime on 4 % crit

ye its not great

but better than nothing

[karmic plinth]

you can argue bwonsamdi might have more defensive value but its tiny either way

[urban portal]

but yeah paku is what people take

[sand hound]

damn one of the guides said go kimbul for damage. rip 4 days..

[urban portal]

kimbul is bad in sims

paku sims quite well it looks like

[karmic plinth]

on sims its a difference of literally hundreds of dps

[urban portal]

thats 1%

people do much more work for less than 1% of gains

[sand hound]

yeah in my dungeon i just did, it had like 23% uptime and 158 hits

[karmic plinth]

fair point really

[sand hound]

and did like 3 damage

[urban portal]

and this isnt even like "pay 40 dollars for 1% gain"

this is "pay 0 dollars for 1% gain"

[modern brook]

kimbul bleed is st so like

its not gunna do a lot in a dungeon

paku uptime is such that it avgs out to about a 1% gain, which is literally belf racial

[low kindle]

Go Lightforged draenei if you want the big dam

[pallid quiver]

but hear me out

gotta go fast gonk

[strong forum]

gonk is bis cuz best name

[pallid quiver]

this is why nome's got the orange name

he's got the big head

[jade stump]

My guild started his mythic rooster really late, some tip for rasz mythic?

[grand saddle]

how do you upgrade the ring

[modern brook]

GONK GANG

[meager hatch]

Just want to make sure I'm understanding the pins correctly. If I'm doing low M+ (5-15), I want to use Storm Infused Stone/Desirous Blood Stone/Prophetic Twilight Stone?

[drifting socket]

does anyone use a castsequence macro for ravager and TR?

[old sinew]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d7/Gonkpromo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060615062617

[mighty valley]

I don't get what this would be for

[drifting socket]

save a keybind by having both of them bound to a macro

works great actually - #showtooltip
/castsequence [@cursor] Ravager, Thunderous Roar

[mighty valley]

what about when you want to target ravager, you'd still need a bind for that anyway

[tropic gorge]

I'll pass on that

That seems like it would be a bad idea

[drifting socket]

target ravager?

[tropic gorge]

Raveger gas a targeting reticle

[mighty valley]

throw it at a pack you're not currently in

[tropic gorge]

It has to be aimed for its initial thing

[drifting socket]

macro does @cursor still works

[mighty valley]

idk, having to remember which buttons are handling multiple abilities just seems worse than binding all your abilities to me

[tropic gorge]

Until your cursor is pointed at an object on the ceiling, a d your ravager goes there lol

[drifting socket]

don't knock it till ya try it 😉

[tropic gorge]

But if it works for you, it works for you. Don't worry about what people like me say

[drifting socket]

I do suffer from the occasional ceiling ravager

[mighty valley]

i never really have the "oh no i don't have enough binds for everything" feeling

[tropic gorge]

The only macro I run is a potion and trinket wjth avatar, and the pinned macro for ip and ss

[drifting socket]

i need to get me an mmo mouse

[tropic gorge]

Never felt the need to have more atm. Might change later

The ip ss macro is a godsend. Didn't realize I was not grabbing ss reset procs as quickly as I could have been

[mighty valley]

I wish there was some way to log how many resets it sniped haha

[meager hatch]

suggest making sure you get one with the extra button, I know Logitech G600 and I think the Naga have it. Turns the 12 side buttons into 24 very easily. ❤️

[tropic gorge]

Raveger into roar will miss a lot tho. Cause you're supposed to pull with raveger then roar after demo shout and a few ip hits for rage cap

[harsh trellis]

I just macro Ravager to drop at my feet

I noticed it moves with ya

[modern brook]

I'll never get why people will actively make their shit worse

just press the button

you have a whole keyboard

[old sinew]

Because we have a lot of buttons and not everyone has a razer Naga?

🤔

[harsh trellis]

I can't play without a naga

Naga and Tartarus

[drifting socket]

a /castsequence macro won't cast TR immediately after ravager, it still abides the GCD, so you can easily press ravager then demo shout then TR

[slim dove]

whos the dumb that macroing CDs together

[mighty valley]

Why stop at just those abilities if it works for you

[tropic gorge]

So I'm not saying it's dumb etc. I'm spitballing issues I could think of, as to why you shouldn't macro raveger and roar together

But like I said if it works for you, run it

[fair topaz]

this game hates me
i'm still stuck at 385 boots
no boots from vault (ever), one 1/13 boots from a +2 that isn't even bis, and i even almost fully have the primalist catch up gear now - except boots
swear to god my ilevel will jump two levels if i get 405 boots from the vault next week

[drifting socket]

people get so much hate for asking questions

[grim nymph]

Has anybody else been having weird threat issues since the patch, where you'll suddenly drop all threat?

[fair topaz]

i have not

[harsh trellis]

referring to Raid or M+?

[fair topaz]

i haven't had threat issues since WotLK but yeah navox's question is a good one

[grim nymph]

Like I was doing AV+25 yesterday and while pulling the back half of the Azureblade room I suddenly dropped threat on 75% of the mobs.

[modern brook]

shamans?

and/or just spiteful

[grim nymph]

Or rogues pulling aggro and dying through tricks of the trade--while it's still rolling.

[harsh trellis]

Youre doing the skip and running?

[humble island]

Only when the two braincell DPS faceroll before I'm even in the pack

[modern brook]

for whatever reason spiteful shows as threat even though it doesnt have a threat table

[grim nymph]

Spiteful has a threat table

But it's not spitefuls

[humble island]

Spiteful is wicked annoying in AV and NO for mounting/porting of you get threat by hitting them

[fair topaz]

isn't that the one with the ghosts that come when you kill an enemy?

[modern brook]

I will say i have no had that issue

everytime ive lost aggro in a pull its been trees or stone boy

[humble island]

I haven't had random threat drop issues though, unless a shaman throws an earth ele down

[modern brook]

logs would go a long way to identifying what the issue is

[grim nymph]

Not talking about rocky bois

[modern brook]

"no"

[fair topaz]

is spiteful just a meme?
like seriously the ghosts aren't a threat at all

is it more dangerous in higher keys? i'm still down in +12

[slim dove]

play healer

come back and tell us its a meme

[modern brook]

their damage scales with key level, yeah

[grim nymph]

They don't fixate tanks, and don't do relevant damage to tanks either.

But they 1-shot everybody else

[modern brook]

still relatively harmless, but will require cc/ awake dps

[slim dove]

they do physical damage.

plate dps dont care much

leather/cloth? yikes

[fair topaz]

that explains it, i see DPS annihilate them very fast with no issues

[slim dove]

21 cos on my rdru, 80% of my hp on contact

[fair topaz]

jesus CHRIST

[fresh igloo]

spiteful hits don't 1-shot at a 20 level, but they will eat your dps/healer fast if they miss it.

[grim nymph]

+25 / +26 they 1-tap everyone who isn't a tank.

[fair topaz]

yeah i guess it's just because of the keys i do lol

[grim nymph]

Pretty sure this has some
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jrtAn2mPzZ18wLqy#fight=2&type=deaths

I can probably pull some logs from non-spiteful weeks too

to avoid spiteful melees causing issues

[humble island]

Spiteful reapplies grievous if people don't get away from them, it's kinda a pain in the ass for healers TBH ... but a meme in our mind

[modern brook]

I'll take a look

can i just look for deaths?

for examples of where you lost aggro?

[grim nymph]

yeah, aggro loss is an instant mdps death

Ignore the one breaker death--that's a flubbed skip

[modern brook]

both the DH deaths are to spirefuls

or rather the two of the Dh deaths that are to melees are to spiteful melees

[grim nymph]

Let me pull a non-spiteful week

[modern brook]

seconds before disaster

[wheat thorn]

hey what stones are y'all runnin in dem rings? Smol boi lookn for advice!

[weak kelp]

good % uptime for shieldblock?
in a raid encounter

[grim nymph]

100% while tanking lol

[modern brook]

100% effective uptime (ie while tanking)

[fresh igloo]

Early in the season I was having some issues adjusting to make sure I'd put threat on everything before dps started cleaving like mad. basically found I had things JUST out of range of TC or revenge when I thought I was hitting it. Resolved a lot of that, and then this week it seems to be happening again more. But yeah it's hard to sort through all the aggro bars when spiteful is throwing a whole bunch of noise in the mix.

[weak kelp]

our tank keeps dying in broodkeeper on adds

65% uptime shieldblock

[fresh igloo]

add tanking is the easy part.

if they are taking unblocked hits that's bad.

[odd tree]

was bout to say, adds are easy

[fresh igloo]

if you're looking at just uptime, that might not be useful info, if there's down time between packs.

but look at mitigated hits (or unmitigated in this case)

[modern brook]

logs

there is literally 0 more useful info we can give you without logs :/

"he should be blocking everything"

[grim nymph]

%blocked on melees will give you an estimate of how good the shield block uptime is

Cause downtime when running from spawn to spawn isn't relevant

[old sinew]

Reminds me of that meme about the pwar tanking Mythic Sire with 20% SB uptime. I will never get over how raiding Andies pretend raiding is as hard or harder than M+ 🤣🤣🤣

[grim nymph]

Raid tanking is the easiest role by far

[modern brook]

agrid

[grim nymph]

And the only raid bosses I ever tanked were M Jailer and M Painsmith

[odd tree]

kinda boring, prefer to dps in raid

[modern brook]

raid tanking is frustrating cause you get to watch the same 3 people fuck up mechanics for 8 hours a week and then you miss one taunt swap and your raid lead has to stop everything to pull the tanks aside to find out whats going on

[slim dove]

fr

i tanked our sennarth kill drunk and on mute

[modern brook]

raid tanking on reclear owns imo, very fun

[slim dove]

so i wouldnt call out the 3 dps dying to 3rd floor every pull

or the 2dps i was outdpsing

[strong forum]

Raid dpsing is peak boring

[grim nymph]

@modern brook Found this log on non-spiteful. Ignore the melee death immediately after I got instagibbed by raging arcing strike lol.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bmrGCzfMF2THvVc3#fight=6&type=deaths

[sick sentinel]

im looking for a haste stick for season 2, since i'll be losing 420 blaze it hoof

and im looking for a good reason to be convinced out of this

[jagged pier]

its peak boring if the ppl u raid with are bad because then its like tanking and u have to wait for them learn the bosses

[sick sentinel]

i'd be proccing 2-3 stacks at a time, depnding if i upgrade crafted ring also

[modern brook]

seconds before disaster

[fresh igloo]

lol

[modern brook]

im guessing his torment is bound too close to his strike or something

[fresh igloo]

fat finger

yeah...

[sick sentinel]

imagine having taunt bound as a dps

[modern brook]

nah its good

[odd tree]

i have it bound when i play arms/fury

[modern brook]

on warrior dps it can be used to reflect tank mechanics

[fresh igloo]

some times you need to fill a gap as a dps in an emergency.

[humble island]

Sometimes it's nice to have a DH grab something and run it away, but it sure as shit shouldn't be next to your DPS buttons

[modern brook]

it can be a pseudo-external w/ havoc cause u can just kite everything

[sick sentinel]

suicide button..................

here come kill me......

[odd tree]

saved numerous pulls by taunting and hitting dbts

[modern brook]

maybe dont taunt the raging tempest

but

its worth having

[fresh igloo]

yeah heh

[grim nymph]

lol

[humble island]

"taunt this and take it to Narnia please" type of thing while we recover

[sick sentinel]

im gunna make that dreamer thing pretty soon

probably going to use it unless there's some really busted trinket i'm not thinking about from s2...... like.... sporepods!!!

man, i cant' wait to get me some sporepods

[humble island]

All them spores

[sick sentinel]

for you mastery boys out there......

[grim nymph]

sporepods are actually a decent tank trinket

[sick sentinel]

18 seconds of giga str + passive mastery sounds really good cant lie

[modern brook]

it was good in BFA

though our avatar was way cooler back then so who knows

plus irideus fragment exists

[sick sentinel]

we are going to have ppl asking about this too constantly in s2

[modern brook]

thats fine

its bad

quick and easy answer

:actualgarbage:

[sick sentinel]

can we please update these as the seasons go on

to reflect like, i dunno, 3 of the WORST garbage ones

that or i'll do name change to psa later

[slim dove]

i imagine some items from the cata dungeon will see a tuning pass.

the jewelerly especially.

[modern brook]

yeah

[slim dove]

shoulda done stonecore for BREAK UPON MY BODY but glad we got a much better dungeon list for s2

[sick sentinel]

heart has versa and max hp so its going to attract ALOT of "is this good for us???????????????????""

[slim dove]

when splinter exists i doubt it.

unless it gets giga nerfed.

can't wait to heal prot pals with it, actual livelord gods.

[sick sentinel]

which is splinter?

[slim dove]

from brackenhide. scaled to 447 it is insane

[grim nymph]

🗑️

🚮

[mortal brook]

Sir

[uneven mason]

Not as many here as the guardian discord

[grim nymph]

Something about bears attracts the noobs

[uneven mason]

Not really that

It's more they're desperately trying to find something to "fix" their poorly tuned spec

So you get a lot of goofy vers and mastery questions

[uncut thunder]

Is this week particularly nasty for Temple? Also if anyone can post a guide or a video for the 3rd boss I have a hard time with the tank busters and the waves

[uneven mason]

Grievous in a place with a healing absorb

Maybe

[uneven mason]

📌

[uncut thunder]

I now the pins talk about cycling CDs on the jade phase. That I have read and am doing. I’m more thinking how to understand or predict where the wave might spawn. When to get some distance from the boss. Where to place him etc

[left beacon]

whats a respectable overall damager for a nok 20+

as prot

[uneven mason]

69 dudes

[left beacon]

alright thats around where i'm at

[uneven mason]

JK like legit is a question that depends on how chonky you're pulling

[left beacon]

yea but doing a pretty standard run

[uneven mason]

But yeah 60-70kncan be respectable

[slim dove]

70-80

[fresh igloo]

doesn't really matter where as long as you can keep it in a consistent location. the waves come out in the same 4 directions based on her facing, but alternating back and forth on which 4. so you can like turn her facing 90 degrees alternating back and forth to try and make it more consistent.... but also she moves around annoyingly so that can be a little finicky.

[left beacon]

80? i guess if u are just decked out

[uneven mason]

Or doing big pulls

[mighty valley]

the cast sequence is the same in the first two phases every time: casts strike on you, casts circle on the ground, casts waves. so when the strike starts, you do your CDs to live, then get ready to walk out of the circle and watch for wave spawns, step to the side, charge back in as the waves go out

[uneven mason]

It's a variable question for sure like 60k isn't anything to cough at. But when we're exposed to the pumpers that hang out here...

[boreal tiger]

hey, coudnt find anything in the stickys about it. In azur vault how do you survive the tripple /quadrouple crystalized pull?

I can have shield wall up and spam sup pain in defstance and still die in a matter of seconds in a 20 (the only 20 I havent timed yet)

[cinder nova]

CC and LOS

[boreal tiger]

ok so I should not attempt to tank it once im out of fear and aoe stun?

[cinder nova]

Your group needs to help

You should have 4 CC, 2 ST and 2 AOE

Bolt, ShCh
Intim, ShW

That's a lot on your own. Most people can help too.

[boreal tiger]

ok def need to hold on to shch then

usualy I pull with it to hve block up

[sick sentinel]

Legit question, what the best weakaura for Odin runes ? Im lowkey colour blind.

[cinder nova]

You shouldn't be pulling with ShCh

You should be using charge first.

[humble island]

This. I tank on everything, and bear is always the one I'm trying to figure out why the hell it feels so broken compared to literally everything else

[cinder nova]

Rav before that if it's up

[left beacon]

are the alchy stone trinkets any decent? I am rocking a 402 decoration of flame and a 415 whetstone, would it be better than the flame maybe?

[boreal tiger]

Makes sense. Thought its a ez way to get block up and helps me with aggro too since you get the free revenge procc and enough rage to pain sup, but I guess I heavily underrestimated the value of the stun

thanks

[humble island]

I personally feel like flame is underrated and I use is frequently but I'm weird

[left beacon]

flame definitely isn't bad, i just have a low ilvl one

[lethal atlas]

Flame is fire damage, so if you’re running a Seal make sure you have Frostfire Belt or some other way to proc the seals if you drop your Decoration.

[cinder nova]

You rarely use it for CC but if you are dying from a lack of CC the optimal DPS is useless

In an ideal world your DPS and Healer are using CC, but expecting PUGs to do anything intelligent is playing with fire.

[cinder nova]

If you don't have FFB Seal is basically a stat ring

[humble island]

I'm currently using mythic flame, frost belt, mythic erenog ring, and been playing with the primordial one. My other trinket depends on situation, but my m+ team is mythic icon stacked so usually that (if not boring enough)

[cinder nova]

Icon is boring, but strong

[sick sentinel]

i can't think why, but for some reason the healer called for lust on the double blueberry pack at end of sbg

confused hell out of me, but we 3 chested

[cinder nova]

Fort week

[humble island]

I've called for lust there on fort weeks

[cinder nova]

Lot of group damage

[sick sentinel]

those guys are pretty good group deleters, i will say that

[cinder nova]

Last boss is a marathon, not a race

[sick sentinel]

race to get away from the beam

and to kill add

[cinder nova]

Group should be positioned, so not really

Also the add is made of paper

[lethal atlas]

For lust timing on fort weeks there’s no really other good pack there unless you wanted to lust spider/bat pack for some reason

[sick sentinel]

the add can be difficult to kill if people die

[humble island]

Yeah. The first pack and last one before first boss suck, but not lust worthy imo

[cinder nova]

If people die in Nerz, then you got bigger issues

It's such a lazy fight

Only second to Bone

That guy puts me to sleep

[lethal atlas]

Just kite the Bones after the mender dies if you’re scared of them

[sick sentinel]

is SBG just like under rot at the very start with the bonus blue berry boy, seems like 50% he spawns left or right and it doesn't REALLY matter but just serves to make that pull harder and to make you look first before going

[humble island]

Worm might be the most annoying boss fight ever on high Tyr weeks

I'd almost rather watch paint dry

[sick sentinel]

changes each time you run the dungeon

[cinder nova]

It patrols around between nodes

[humble island]

You can go left and hide up in the rocks on the left before the circle and wait for him to disappear

[cinder nova]

Only time Bonemaw becomes relevant is storming

[humble island]

Don't do that on quaking weeks, though...

[cinder nova]

Have to soak the tornadoes early so they don't fuck you on the inhale

[sick sentinel]

underrot has something similiar ish

[humble island]

I hate that place

[sick sentinel]

the last boss is not very intuitive

[calm obsidian]

it's not 50/50. If you go at a normal pace you can know which side it's going to be on

based on the pat timing

usually you go left and he's not there and you just get in fast

if you're slow cause a heal or something you can go right and wait for it to port away

[sick sentinel]

im saying like, there is 2 blue berries total

the grey one that patrols

and then i think the black line ones are a 50/50 shot to appear in either location

[calm obsidian]

no read what i'm saying

it';s one that ports between each location

on a timer

[sick sentinel]

i've seen it appear both left and right , never understood so

he teleports around willy nilly basically?

[calm obsidian]

not willy nilly

it's on a set timer that starts with the dungeon timer

and he won't port on you if you engage the pack

[sick sentinel]

i didn't realize he's a teleporter guy

[calm obsidian]

yea

[frigid socket]

LF Prot Warrior who has completed the Mage Tower Challenge DragonFlight.

[modern brook]

its not random its timing based

it feels random cause you pug with idiots

so your timer on the first pull is variable

[daring marlin]

or dummies that do zero dam

[modern brook]

oh bard said all that

i dont read

[daring marlin]

rogue brain

[modern brook]

ragu

[daring marlin]

classic bull

[modern brook]

arcway and manor are the only m+ dungeons i can think of that had rng in them

and i think manor path was week based

and arcway idr i was a wee baby

[daring marlin]

I miss wcm

Best dungeon

[modern brook]

i liked wcm

[sick sentinel]

i do, but i don't, miss WCM

[modern brook]

BFA mighta sucked but its dungeons were pretty good tbh

[sick sentinel]

we had so many fights about doing that key, it was always run i know that

[modern brook]

tol sucked ass yeah

and kings rest was probably over tuned

but the rest were really good imo

[hardy snow]

How you think, if they would bring back Tol Dagor for S3, would they fix the bugs? XD

[sick sentinel]

i liked tol dagor how it was themed and how it was put together and the mechanics but i didn't like the final boss or basically the jail part and after

thats what really sucked ass

the damge just ramped up so hard at that point

[hardy snow]

I didnt like the part that you couldnt ress and getting hit through wall

all over the dung

[sick sentinel]

you lose a ton of time if people don't kick the -50% dps dealt too

[daring marlin]

KR was one of my favs

but SR in WCM

[sick sentinel]

not hitting that kick was what killed tol dagor runs and ya'll didn't know it

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/raingump-kto-kounotori-kounotoritoken-lbow-gif-26528457

[analog junco]

Do ppl running high key (20+) in COS go regular route at all? I was told most of them take dock and do the skip after 1st boss and kill enforcers by traveling through the boss side rather than the bridge (so skipping roughly 3 packs there). How feasible is this with pugs also?

[sick sentinel]

third boss and beyond of tol dagor was a shit show for pug

had some absolute nightmare scenarios there

[daring marlin]

Only thing I disliked about TD was at the start of BFA when we couldn't block ranged attacks and cannons

Cannon gameplay is aids

[slim dove]

docks is fine, 7 frontals and 1 aoe to kick

works better for lust timing also.

[modern brook]

We usually do the docks then watch people fuck up the garden segment anyways

In low 20s I can't imagine routing being the reason the key dies tbh

[wild fractal]

are the alchemy trinkets any good?

[solemn kelp]

anyone else encounter Wise Mari bug with the Wash Away?

[hardy snow]

you mean everyone dies and tank have to solo last 30%? its not a bug, its a feature

[solemn kelp]

haha no

[fresh igloo]

definitely seen the graphic stop moving but the damage keeps moving.

[solemn kelp]

Where Wise Mari "stops" rotating

but the damage ... what @fresh igloo said

[fresh igloo]

yeah. it happened to us this week, I haven't seen that one before.

[modern brook]

I Believe they take an embelishment

So not only are there better trinkets

There are better embelishment they are ugly and bad

So "no" but it's mostly opportunity cost

[frank saddle]

not true

[left basalt]

we had this happen on a few keys last night, this week.

[modern brook]

ur right

fix'd

[scenic mural]

You have a question?

The trinket really takes up an embellishment?

[amber siren]

No

[scenic mural]

Didnt think so, thanks

[mighty valley]

rare bullfango L

[odd tree]

Yea, best bet is to lead it by a shit ton and be on the other side of the wash away before it starts. The visual is a bit behind, maybe 1-2s.

[analog junco]

Fucked up by unintentional aggros I suppose?

[modest solar]

What flask to use? wowhead and icyveins says different

[modern brook]

just big juciy butts pulling stuff we dont need

tepid verse

[sick sentinel]

i swear by vers phials for my keys

[analog junco]

Agreed, a died key usually comes with some other mistakes

[daring marlin]

People pulling extra is my fav

/s

[modern brook]

i mean to be clear in like 24-25 yeah routing def matters but im pretty sure you can w key through 22s. the dungeons in this season dont have a lot of room for creativity in pulls

at least with regards to what you can /cant skip

[daring marlin]

In like 23+, especially in CoS gotta pull big

MUH EFFICIENCY

[analog junco]

I am prob a bad tank. Have issues manage more than 2 frontals and avoid them from group with other affix going on in a tiny room 🙁

[sick sentinel]

if i make idol of the dreamer, calucator math says its about a 2 m 40 s CD for the "get 250 of each stat for X seconds" this is my homework

2.25 procs per minute and then iim converting it to minutes

buff goess off i get X stacks of where X is the number of ysmeralds i have equipped, once it reaches 18, it dumps for 250 of each secondary buff

so thats, 2.6 minutes which i think is 2 m 40 s

[uneven mason]

Approximately

[sick sentinel]

someone was saying on the comments that it might be best to use a smaller amount of gems so you have a stat stick

[modern brook]

what are you trying to calculate?

[sick sentinel]

the buff from the idol stacks to 18, appears to be inifinite for all 4 of them, until you die

if its better to have many gems or just a few for those idols

[uneven mason]

What's the sim say

[modern brook]

probably that its worse than oher embelishments 😦

[sick sentinel]

i have to run more sims, but i did 1 sim with it, it was biased and gave me ~2k dps

i'd have to run less biased sims for better results

[modern brook]

for the record more gems is better

every gem you dont use is 110stats not had

before you even consider the benefits of the stack

[sick sentinel]

if you equiped 1 gem say, it would last 8 minutes as a big ramp up

[modern brook]

if u equip 1 gem

and have the ability to equip 5 more

thats 550 stats

you're not using

to have a longer buff

on less than that stats

[sick sentinel]

well, i have 3 ysmeralds atm

2 in lariat, 1 on crafted ring

[modern brook]

so the real answer here is invest in more sockets

and also probably use a different embelshiment, unfortunately

[dense coral]

When you have a healer in your party that has to drink mana after each pack, in a 20+ key -.-

[sick sentinel]

i want to test out what it says if i put all my current gear as ysmerald socketed fake

[slim dove]

sounds like your dps are getting bopped by spitefuls and nobodies kicking anything

[dense coral]

Yeh prety much =p

[modern brook]

just sounds like an average pug healer to me

[slim dove]

idk after healing for the past week and a bit

pug tanks are worse.

[modern brook]

yeah

true

[slim dove]

bad healers quit pretty quick around the 20 mark

[uneven mason]

Reason I won't do anything but tank

[slim dove]

shit tanks get carried cuz threat is a no brainer

[waxen orbit]

Is an average of 60k overall at 399 good?

[slim dove]

and routes are hold w

[modern brook]

So if we ignore the 2nd stat on a 70/33 gem, each gemitself is worth ~2stacks of the trinket.

[uneven mason]

The amount of variables in this question, but sure

[waxen orbit]

Fair point

[modern brook]

if we compare it to an 88, then its just under 3 stacks

so we split the difference and say each Gem is worth just about 2.5 stacks of haste from the trinket

you'd break even at 1 gem socketed at 15 stacks then

so gaming your gem slots to maximize the stack uptime is not a play we should realistically consider

[modern brook]

you, personally, could do better tbh

[waxen orbit]

Shit, word?

[modern brook]

iunno

i just know u own

[waxen orbit]

Probably a thing of Vanguard and only being 2 pc

[modern brook]

4pc doesnt help dam

no cope

only slam

[waxen orbit]

Sometimes struggle to really grasp whether to TC or revenge in single target/ in AOE to refresh Vanguard stacks when in avatar ig

[modern brook]

my general rule is always generate when u can generate

dump with ip if you have to

but im ass so whatever

vanguard isnt worth playing around imo

its basically 4% verse

[uneven mason]

But a 99.99% correct ass

People would doubt you less if you didn't have a paladin PFP bull

[modern brook]

gotta stay humble

[uneven mason]

If this is what keeps you up at night about pwar... wait till you struggle with "do I cancel aura or not cancel aura at 5 targets" that'll happen next tier

[modern brook]

bro i dont even outburst right

[waxen orbit]

Nah I’m just autistic

Quite literally

[modern brook]

no universe am i giving a shit about a teir set

[waxen orbit]

I mean I did 30k overalls start of S3 with necro prot and outburst so I’ve got that one down to a T

Same with charge weaving obviously

[uneven mason]

I try to but my attention span only lasts one GCD before I just TC out of reflex because it's there

[modern brook]

yeah same

[cloud tide]

spell reflect works for mythic raz jaw ability

?

[waxen orbit]

Flat 4% buff is huge tho

[modern brook]

i recognzie its wrong but the game needs to recognize i dont care

[waxen orbit]

My instinct is to revenge

[uneven mason]

If 4% is huge

[modern brook]

how big is 50% then?

[waxen orbit]

Look back at my old screenshots of my log breakdowns here I used to never hit that shit in SL

[uneven mason]

Whoa now that's past single digits

I can't count that high

[modern brook]

zug zug

[uneven mason]

[waxen orbit]

Also

[modern brook]

theres an xL sheet in the pins that would answer this, idk off hand

[sick sentinel]

so, if i do all gems

i want to upgrade lariat first

bigger sim

i can be a gem nerd or a potion nerd for my haste stick

[slim dove]

it reduces the nature damage portion, it does not reflect/deflect

[modern brook]

looking at your gear i would just get the verse wrists

[plucky sonnet]

Hey new prot warrior here, can someone tell me is it ever really worth using Whirlwind?

[modern brook]

WW, Slam, and Rend can all be safely removed from bars

you will not use them

[plucky sonnet]

Ohh perfect that gives me some more keybinds back thanks!

[modern brook]

you're welcome :^)

[sick sentinel]

companion?

[modern brook]

i tihnk idr the name

are they the wrists that give verse?

[sick sentinel]

i have those at 402 or 405

[modern brook]

oh

[sick sentinel]

but i have a left over spark

[modern brook]

upgrade them to 418

upgrade that to 418, replace your 402 ring with the annulet

get 2400 so you can valor your shit

[sick sentinel]

i could create that iodl or any number of other gear

no annul on my 16 sbg just now was cuz pepega yogi reasons, we 3 chested that lol

[modern brook]

you dont really need another spark tbh

you just need to bea ble to upgrade the ones you have

what're you like 410 overall?

[sick sentinel]

412 now

[modern brook]

yeah

yourtrinkets are fine lol

run mythic first two if you want upgrades

and if you get eranog ring

replace pants with the fire thing

[sick sentinel]

i still think i want it anyways

[modern brook]

smh

[sick sentinel]

could do at 405

[modern brook]

its bad yogi

i mean

If its gunna make you happy

im not gunna stop you

play how you wanna

[sick sentinel]

its like, that, or its going to transmog

[modern brook]

yeah send it to xmog

[daring marlin]

I gotta time a 20 TJS/RLP tonight and my alt will be 2400+

Next week will be ez score

pump up the 2s and 4s rofl

[modern brook]

or save it for when u get a 421 eranog ring

and now u can make the pants

or belt

idr

whatever does fire damage

[sick sentinel]

u said craft fireball trinket? im on it

[modern brook]

T-T

[daring marlin]

[modern brook]

kek i have a 6 two starred for my nokud tyr

[sick sentinel]

back to simming i guess

[daring marlin]

Not looking forward to the pug life on dk when I start that after pally

[odd tree]

belt does frostfire i think

[sick sentinel]

recipe was like 150k gold last i looked

probably could get it if i ran LFR a bunch

[odd tree]

for the belt?

[modern brook]

fires in there, it counts

[odd tree]

for sure

[odd tree]

i dont have your devotion yogi

[sick sentinel]

i got a ton of points into armor smithing

so, now i am working at maces, trying to get enough points to get to where i can make a 5 star of the epic smith hammer

[odd tree]

nice, my guildy and i split up smithing duties. i've got weps maxed out, he did armor

your on area 52, let me know if you ever need a wep smithed

[sick sentinel]

like, if i got another spark right now

i could do a 2hand weapon

and then i can just go fury and be free

[odd tree]

i feel i've been lucky with sparks

[craggy pilot]

damn Hyrja does not fuck around, thought my Spell Reflect would be enough in Fort week 🤣

[odd tree]

looted 1 every 2 weeks since they stopped the weekly quests

[sick sentinel]

this is my 4th RNG spark

[craggy pilot]

but i was at 80% hp guess thats why

[modern brook]

ip looks low too

[sick sentinel]

yes, you need some form of DR for that

[craggy pilot]

ye my IP was rinced from the Storm

[odd tree]

was going to say, storm is what scares me the most

or rather, my healer

[craggy pilot]

our healer died on the first storm

then Fury Warrior runs over me as im getting the 2nd beam

[sick sentinel]

i just dont want to sit around waiting forever

[craggy pilot]

and dies 😄

so we used 2 CRs alrdy

[sick sentinel]

for a secoond spark to come

[craggy pilot]

and then i died on the 3rd beam with no CR remaining

[slim dove]

where did you wall

storm?

where is demo

[craggy pilot]

first Beam i think

[slim dove]

🤔

[craggy pilot]

wall was ready right after i died

i Demo whenever its rdy, didnt hold for Beam

[slim dove]

L

deserved to die

[craggy pilot]

but usually i Def stance + Spell Reflect and im ok

but didnt think id need Def stance in Fort 😄

[daring marlin]

Not that time

rip bozo! 😏

[craggy pilot]

haha ye big rip moment

[warm plinth]

Morning woyers

[craggy pilot]

you live and you learn

[ionic fern]

Good night woyers.

[daring marlin]

🤝

[craggy pilot]

i do like 1-2 keys a week currently

so kinda rusty on these hard hitting shitters 😄

[modern brook]

[craggy pilot]

last time i was in a high HOV was 14th Feb lol

[gleaming blaze]

I'm just about to build my Frostfire Belt, to get a ilvl 418 one does the Frostfire Alloy have to be tier 3 quality?

[craggy pilot]

no

depends on the quality of the crafter though

its easier for them to make it max with Rank 3

[gleaming blaze]

right

[odd tree]

actually, can anyone recommend a HoV route? got a 23 in my bag, might as well give it a go tonight

[craggy pilot]

but usually if you do Rank 2 it will be cheaper for you

[odd tree]

mostly not sure what folks are pulling in fenryr area

especially if skipping the shield maiden

[warm plinth]

GN cutie pie

[modern brook]

bears mostly i think

[odd tree]

double wolf packs too?

[warm plinth]

we pull basically everything in Fenryr area that isn't a vrykul and skip the north side of the hallway and all 3 sentinels

Think we do like...5 wolves?

[modern brook]

some gimmick it with the fence post and pull more than double

[craggy pilot]

can you skip the sentinels?

or i guess you shroud them?

[modern brook]

yeah shroud

[warm plinth]

shroud, invis, mind soothe

[modern brook]

or invis pot 😄

[warm plinth]

all work

[odd tree]

eh, i've seen the fence post fuck shit up

[craggy pilot]

ah ye ok, thats actually big

[modern brook]

yeah i dont like the fence post gimmmick

[warm plinth]

Fence post should not fuck anything up

[odd tree]

nice, sentinels are ass this week

[warm plinth]

All ranged go stand on it pre-pull, pull wolves, ezpz

[modern brook]

they always evade when we tried it

[grim pilot]

avoidance vs leech?

[modern brook]

wash

doesnt matter

[warm plinth]

We've never had it cause a problem

[modern brook]

avoidance cause its not in the talent tree

[odd tree]

last time we tried it we had thundering right on the post

[warm plinth]

Well yeah

that will happen sometimes lol

[modern brook]

or leech causeits in the talent tree so we can stack it poggy

[odd tree]

everyone freaked, wolves everywhere

[warm plinth]

The individual circles aren't dangerous though

Just eat the 1s stun

There's no other damage on the pull

[odd tree]

thats what i said after the fact, lol

[warm plinth]

Melee might have to go and clear with someone but you can do that safely

[odd tree]

i remember someone mentioning bears. just grab agroe and kite, right?

[warm plinth]

You want to like...mid-way kite as much as possible. Like stay out of melee but not so far that they charge you too often

A charge here and there is fine but multiple charges in a row means you're gonna get nailed by something else

[modern brook]

honestly our Hov route is so unbelievably cooked

[warm plinth]

Just to give you a visual. This is our normal route

[odd tree]

nice

very much appreciated

[modern brook]

i hate those bulls

pulling 5 of them sounds so toxic

[odd tree]

same

double pull with shield lady is interesting, but makes sense with pull 5

honestly she's not that dangerous

[analog junco]

So you shroud to pass mobs at the gate to the odyn hall?

[warm plinth]

yeah

can invis or mind soothe as well if that's your options

[modern brook]

You talking about the trash before 1st boss?

[analog junco]

The last boss where 2 sentinels are

[modern brook]

Ah sorry

Odyn's hall as in the hall with odyn in it

That does make sense

[daring marlin]

I love pulling yaks without stinky melee.

free count

[modern brook]

I am stinky melee tho 😦

[daring marlin]

Don't you have giga range tho

[modern brook]

i lose 60s run for that

so like yes

but UGH

[pastel sleet]

is desirous blood stone shadow or necor ?

[modern brook]

blood is necro

twilight is shadow

[pastel sleet]

ty

[sick sentinel]

all the things can be set up to show sources

and then looking at the item tells you what faction, what zone

[lusty grotto]

ayo

[modern brook]

o/

[lusty grotto]

what is up gang

[modern brook]

counting minutes till i can leave work

oh wait its 5

bye

[lusty grotto]

😄

gogo

[analog junco]

Another question on pulling mini bosses (7&8). Wouldnt you get lighting aoe and orbs at the same time?

[warm plinth]

You pull storm first, then as storm starts you pull the other

so they're not synced

[silent anchor]

4k dps increase on sims with the onyx ring?

[mighty valley]

what's the question

[analog junco]

Makes sense. Thx

[spring trail]

what primordial stones are being used?

[mighty valley]

look at pins

[spring trail]

ty

[silent anchor]

seems alot lol. big tho. good they buffed it

[mighty valley]

they promised everyone they'd be good so they went bananas

[silent anchor]

seems like it lol! seems too be meh for balance dudu, shame aaaaaaaaha

[slim dove]

meh for casters generally.

[modern brook]

It's meh on most specs that like to stack haste from what I understand

[glad sail]

No change today on gems?

[dire matrix]

pog

i wonnered

[warm plinth]

Congratulations my friend

[dire matrix]

[odd tree]

Back to HoV, anyone able to detail how the double mini boss beer tech works? I've seen other tanks do it, have yet to try it myself.

[warm plinth]

Someone throws beer on one, you talk to other (or vice versa). You pull the activated boss to the beered boss, and once the beer runs out, you talk to the beered boss and he activates

[oak echo]

You can do 3 or all 4 if you're really on top of spacing out the beer throws and drag them fast enough but 2 is super simple and safe

[craggy pilot]

anyone else feeling like mobs hitting faster recently?

im doing Charge -> SS -> SB opener on packs, and in AA i was getting REKT before i got my SB up, they would literally all insta hit me after Charge...
feels like it wasnt like this a couple weeks ago, but might just be me? or?

[oak echo]

The axes be like that on fort tbh. I haven't noticed it being different I just got more careful on those pulls

You should really do rav-ava-charge-sb though so block is up before youre even in melee

[craggy pilot]

ye or Charge -> Shield Charge

but ye the packs with Axes are horrible

[oak echo]

Ehh even that you'd rather use demo before any CDs besides tossing out rav

[craggy pilot]

cus the Axe starts Severing insta, and the other ones start casting insta as well

so 2 casts going off + Severing, and im toast 😄

[oak echo]

Yeah also charge in with reflect up right away

[warm plinth]

I don't go into those packs without a CD of some kind. Whether it's spell reflect or shield wall or whatever

Too easy to get comboed on those packs

[craggy pilot]

honestly forgot the Manafiend chain cast surge on only me

thought it would be on party also

[warm plinth]

Stopping the first slash is pretty big too but it's hard to do on warrior since our GCD is barely longer than the cast time

[oak echo]

It is on party but not when you're the only one in combat at start

[warm plinth]

er, barely shorter I mean

Yeah Surge is randomly targeted but since you're going in first it'll go on you

[craggy pilot]

oh it is random? ah ok

thought i saw it chain cast on me

maybe im just drunk

[warm plinth]

RNG be RNGing

[old sinew]

yeah you pull the light guy basically literally right at storm guy starts his channel or maybe like 1 second into the channel

not when he starts casting but when the cast finishes and he starts channeling damage

the light orbs will come out like right as the storm ends

[warm plinth]

Your mom will come out like right as the storm ends

gottem

[old sinew]

😆

[sick sentinel]

it's not much

2400/3k, we see, but, i definitely for sure want to hit 2200 is lowest im settling for, i read something about if you finish the season at 2200, you get some token like dinars that you exchange for any heroic raid im not sure if its a usable item, or if its a transmog only

[median tulip]

Did you wipe on the Sha?

[sick sentinel]

we wiped on first pull after first boses

[warm plinth]

Uh, that's not a thing that I'm aware of 🤔

where did you read that?

[sick sentinel]

i will need to go into my browser history, and outplayed for proofs of both

im positive i saw information about it in one format or another

video or wowhead article

It’s next season that’s a thing

i don't post articles from, wurldofwarcrafft.kom.co.jp

[warm plinth]

wat

[sick sentinel]

It’s something like if u complete curve or 2500 rating next season u get a token to hand in for set piece

Rating this season has nothing to do with it

where do i go to look at information on this

cuz i know i saw , i can't remember what, but it was definitely somethging

[warm plinth]

Yeah pretty sure this is what you're talking about

Which is next season

[sick sentinel]

ohhhhhhh

see i figured that was going into the start of season 2, you get this

cuz, the raids going away, less people doing the old raid, not bodoy, but less

[warm plinth]

You're basically never going to get next season's loot by doing this season's content. Never been a thing and likely never will be.

[median tulip]

TBQH, by the time I clear the raid or get that rating I'll probably already have Heroic-equivalent Tier

[warm plinth]

Perhaps

[median tulip]

Depends how early they make the catalyst available I guess

But iirc they've already acknowledged that the catalyst was a bit late in Season 1

[warm plinth]

I don't think they came right out and said that it will come faster, but they did acknowledge that by the time the 6 weeks passes, a lot of people either already have their 4-set or they are ready to complete it the week the catalyst comes out

[crude notch]

They've already said it'll be week 6 again.

They're doing this to increase your chances at more tier before then. Catalyst wasn't designed to be the sole way of getting tier, it just ended up being that for M+/PvP players and unlucky people.

[median tulip]

Given how important having Tier is to a lot of people's ability to get anything done in the game (c.f. all the groups that say "4pc only"), Tier is a player retention problem for Blizz

Especially because of how LFR access is drip-fed

[mighty valley]

remove gear from the game

players don't deserve it

[crude notch]

Time to depart.

[median tulip]

The fact that if you get unlucky with drops you can get "left behind" for 2-3 weeks is a source of significant frustration

[warm plinth]

I love that it's just going to be get item convert item now though

Great change

[slim dove]

nobodies tier is as OP as say, boomie/arms was this upcoming season

[cinder nova]

I feel like the only specs that experience that are ones where tier is explosively good.

[slim dove]

barring devoker and rdruid

[cinder nova]

S1 Prot could've coasted without tier, but it definitely is nice.

[slim dove]

most are 6-8% compared to 8-15% of this season

[cinder nova]

4p is extra nice for survival.

[median tulip]

I doubt Arms tier will go live as it is

[cinder nova]

Isn't it only 5% now

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[mighty valley]

the only solutions are A) remove something as powerful and defining as set bonuses, or B) basically release gear like that on a schedule which is just less engaging, or C) accept that some players will be Like This

[slim dove]

no point spectulating thouhg

yup, 5%, which is still better then some classes 2+4 set

[cinder nova]

The 50% had to be a typo lol

[sick sentinel]

i did the pull after mari, and puilled both shas in that hallways

i had block up loosk like but hit in back + something foir 224k

[cinder nova]

Gaze isn't blockable.

It's magic.

[warm plinth]

gaze sounds like the 224k

[cinder nova]

Either press a CD or use Spell Block.

Or just CC them.