i just wonder if i should play the ring in 26s :/
#protection
rotund thicket
strong forum
if you regularily pull 60k-70k+ dps in keys that arent AA exclusively, Annulet is not a gain outside of running Storm + combo
if youre not sure, dont play the ring
for top players the ring is hardly useful for paladin and pwars
and brew aswell
rotund thicket
kinda sad, i thought it would be fun to have another passive dps gain but those 1,1-1,3k sec stat loss is just too much
strong forum
yes
its a dps gain to run storm, (in theory)
but again, it can ninjapull
and in the keys that ive run, i didnt reach new dps records
despite the ring with bis combo
proud patrol
the whole ninjapulling just sucks and makes it a bit unusable knowing that i can troll my group
rotund thicket
me neither, tried the strom combo in AA 25 and got 120k overall, was like meh, 5% of my overall
strong forum
ye
the only thing annulet does is look good on details
PSA* for 99% of players its still an upgrade
sick sentinel
Oh, good, the local frost affix has returned in force once again
shell mortar
and in the keys that ive run, i didnt reach new dps records
What's your crit tho?
It's been around 3k DPS upgrade for me on average. Tho I run very high crit
charred ivy
any tip on how to manage the crystal fury in azure? ppl wanna pull 1st room in general but 3 of them kinda hurts
slim dove
any tip on how to manage the crystal fury in azure? ppl wanna pull 1st room in ...
rotate stops
charred ivy
meh playing with pugs tho :x
slim dove
🤷 you can handle 2 aoe stops and 2 single target stops yourself
charred ivy
every1 all at once then immune xD
charred ivy
will try tell ppl to tc xD
shell mortar
Play good is the solution to most problems 👍
slim dove
i dont bother anymore, timer is a joke, bosses are all nerfed to fuck, just do frogs
anything 23+ i assume im on disc able to play their characters for them
charred ivy
would spell block help smt?
shell mortar
Afaik you kinda run spellblock in every key after a certain key level. There's multiple uses for it in every key
sick sentinel
Play good is the solution to most problems 👍
wtb pin on this comment, even though i know we cant
shell mortar
Thanks, buddy. Just made me smile irl
sick sentinel
"oh im bad, i died to the boss, sorry" well, dont be bad and die to the boss then pally from my 16 hov 🙂
lean gale
Is a Ring combo better then a 415 Melandrus?
shell mortar
Sim it
lean gale
What should i sim when i dont even know what combo to sim
verbal wren
Pin
lean gale
Sorry for the question. I just really dont get it
strong forum
What's your crit tho?
28%
shell mortar
Huh, storming defo should be a dam increase. I've got 29% crit and it's quite big for me
strong forum
Like I did 100k in AA
70k in cos 62k in smbg, 70k in AV , none of those are records
That's just normal
lime urchin
Afaik you kinda run spellblock in every key after a certain key level. There's m...
We play it always because we forget to spec out of it 🤡
shell mortar
Need to check my details when I log on, think I finished at 78k in TOTJS yday
Which is well above average for me
dawn lynx
@strong forum thankls for the answers, but maybe I didnt get that completly straight.
So OA is generally better, If Im not any sort of godlike player, right? But if you consider 20% Crit chance stat, does it make even more sense to use OA?
strong forum
Yes
dawn lynx
Okay, thank you. What are the preferable combinations for MT (M+ runs?)
If I may ask ofc 🙂
shell mortar
Are stones affected by def stance/battle stance btw?
strong forum
Should
strong forum
Okay, thank you. What are the preferable combinations for MT (M+ runs?)
Is mentioned in pins
dawn lynx
Pins? Sorry, new to this discord, so what do you mean by that?
slim dove
shell mortar
Pinned Messages, upper right corner on PC, under Member List on phone
strong forum
Top right of your screen there's an icon of a pin needle
dawn lynx
Ohh shit nice, thanks!
strong forum
Most discords pin important information and FAQ stuff in there
lean gale
Is this worth for Mythic raiding and M+20 and beyond? Storm Infused Stone/Desirous Blood Stone/Prophetic Twilight Stone
lean gale
Storm can ninja pull, but yes its the best m+ combo
Thx mate!
stable valve
Storm can ninja pull, but yes its the best m+ combo
Think the difference is enough to forgo using ice for tyr weeks?
strong forum
Freezing is arguably more useful
Cuz prio/boss dmg matters more
But you will do less overall
twin comet
which stones are y'all liking best for M+ right now?
ionic roost
These ones :PantsGrab:
stable valve
Cuz prio/boss dmg matters more
Was my thought, but was sure if the difference was “substantial” enough as prot to just use storm still
Just gonna do the same thing as I’m doing on my monk and switch to frost next week
stable valve
which stones are y'all liking best for M+ right now?
ionic roost
People always obsessed with Overall, they always assume "Bigger overall =Bigger impact/Biggest help on the key"
twin comet
i picked those up. the pin said it may be outdated so i thought i'd ask. i'll stick with what's in the pins. thanks
stable valve
i picked those up. the pin said it may be outdated so i thought i'd ask. i'll ...
More memey from the hotfixes every 5 min last week
You can assume it’s right unless they push another hotfix
twin comet
ah, gotcha. i was out of town last week and feel overwhelmed now.
twin comet
would storm infused be a good one if i'm stacking crit/haste?
oak echo
It's probably ok if it's in the top pin right?
tawny briar
Has anyone tested the shield build with the gems?
charred ivy
so onyx is good for m+?
what haste u land on w/o a statted ring then?
im unbuffed atm without onyx like 28 %
twin bramble
Why does thunderous war not show up anywhere in wowhead guide such as rotation/priority, offensive cooldowns, etc. should I not be using it?
cloud umbra
you use it
oak echo
Lol that is interesting that it's not mentioned but yeah you send demo, rav, SC, and roar on cd basically
amber siren
I'm 99% sure it's in the wowhead guide, you just need to have the option ticked
dusky canopy
oak echo
I just looked and didn't see it as an option even
sick sentinel
tldr did any healers get big nerf button or its soon in 10.1
stable valve
tldr did any healers get big nerf button or its soon in 10.1
Prevoker did
oak echo
Huh?
stable valve
Idk about the others
sick sentinel
damn
stable valve
Naw it’s fine lol
sick sentinel
i liked evoker healer
stable valve
My buddy is still able to heal 23s this week perfectly fine
oak echo
They're still the best healer or even with druid
stable valve
They're still the best healer or even with druid
MW the sleeper
sick sentinel
evoker healers are getting much better at thier job
ill say that
MW is good for a co-ordinated group, ans also, when is the MDI
daring bolt
should i be using vers phial or eye of the storm in m+?
icy bane
sick sentinel
im always excited to watch at least 50% of MDI
oak echo
Eye is better but vers probably still way cheaper
daring bolt
ah nice one been using wrong one for a while then 😄
tropic gorge
ive been running eye of the storm
its more fun than vers
vers is cheap, which is good. and its a safe choice but its kinda boring
for m+
does the "heal" from last stand do anything for the absorb in tjs on boss 3?
for the jade serpent strike
oak echo
Yes
tropic gorge
ty i wasnt sure
oak echo
Always use it after the hit
lunar shoal
what dungeons do i use spellblock
onyx moss
most likely Algeth'ar Academy
twin bramble
Lol that is interesting that it's not mentioned but yeah you send demo, rav, SC,...
Thanks! So what should I try to lump with demo and avatar? Ravager, shield charge, and thunderous roar?
oak echo
Yeah if you use demo and SC on cooldown it'll all line up naturally. Avatar will usually still be going or be about to come off cd at the same time if you're spending rage fast enough
worn radish
How good are the crafted trinkets for prot?
twin bramble
Yeah if you use demo and SC on cooldown it'll all line up naturally. Avatar will...
Appreciate you.
twin bramble
Yeah if you use demo and SC on cooldown it'll all line up naturally. Avatar will...
Sorry. Last question. Rend is the only other thing I don’t see that’s not mentioned elsewhere to use/not use. Should I be using it?
stable valve
Sorry. Last question. Rend is the only other thing I don’t see that’s not mentio...
Never since TC applies it via the blood and thunder talent
twin bramble
Ahhh. Thanks!
stable valve
Only time I press rend is on the third boss of shadowmoon
And even then
It’s only when ranged bait the puddle to far for TC to hit the worm
But that’s like once or twice every third shadowmoon
pallid quiver
that's every shadowmoon for me
I can have an all melee group and we still don't get puddles in melee
dapper vapor
Hate that damn worm boss
It's not like it does anything
But it's just a huge damage sponge
Always takes way too long on tyrannical weeks
And doesn't even have the good manners to let you have good uptime like the 2nd
ocean prairie
Guys what's the easiest route for a +21 Azure Vault to pug this week?
oak echo
I think every pug knows the frog skip route by now
pallid quiver
I still just hold w-ish
Frogs and all
But that assumes I hit AV or any M+ these days at all
dusky canopy
I used to be on the frog skip side of things
ocean prairie
I think every pug knows the frog skip route by now
Im a little scared of the 4 Pink elemental pack
dusky canopy
but theyre honestly really easy you can just pull them in 3 pulls
and as soon as the drake dies you just chain whatever is left into the next room
pallid quiver
And didn't they nerf their HP at some point, too?
pallid quiver
At any rate, it's definitely the easiest route to avoid whelps and hold W
Since you skip the forced scary packs
dusky canopy
import that into MDT
ocean prairie
Ty
dusky canopy
sorry let me dm it so its not spam
pallid quiver
He's trying to infect us with the malwares smh
worn radish
How good are the crafted trinkets for prot?
amber siren
not that great
granite pond
Time to start using sparks for xmog gear!
pure relic
idk man shard packs are pretty free
uncut thunder
I can ask in details but i figure i would start here but where is the option now in details to combine teh stone dps into one line? The autocode options is not working any longer and my details is up to date
NM found it
twin bramble
On opener/pull under demo/avatar, should I prioritize thunder clap (with unstoppable force talent) on cd over offensive cooldowns like thunderous/sc/rav?
uncut thunder
had to look at the full change log
slim dove
idk man shard packs are pretty free
not for pugs that blow every stop on the first cast 🙂
uncut thunder
I can ask in details but i figure i would start here but where is the option now...
Its /details options > Combat Log> Merge Stones
amber siren
Its /details options > Combat Log> Merge Stones
Ty I was just about to look myself
uncut thunder
All good my dude
tropic gorge
with a str pot, i was able to hit 10k str in tjs 18 earlier
strong forum
On opener/pull under demo/avatar, should I prioritize thunder clap (with unstopp...
CDs > rotational buttons
sick sentinel
with a str pot, i was able to hit 10k str in tjs 18 earlier
its not particularlr note worthy, but if your trying to go for max str, that could be something to look into
twin bramble
CDs > rotational buttons
Thanks!
twin bramble
CDs > rotational buttons
Meaning thunder clap > the longer ones like sc/rav
hushed bluff
are these trinkets good for me ?
warm plinth
Top is bis, bottom is shit
strong forum
Meaning thunder clap > the longer ones like sc/rav
no, the other way around
you always use thunderous roar/shield charge/ravager as soon as you can
ideal opener is ravager>charge+avatar>demo shout>thunderour roar>shield charge and then you start pressing thunderclap/shield slam
sick sentinel
do you guys feel like having engi bracers is good for us to have or no for late game
at least then it fills a gap and is a transmog
warm plinth
Fills what gap
pure relic
not for pugs that blow every stop on the first cast 🙂
Just be a prot pally it's cool
🤣
warm plinth
Well, kind of I guess. It's very suboptimal for you to brez. Long cast and you can't block/dodge/parry while doing it so
sick sentinel
i don't WANT it to happen, but it could and if i see a group with only 1 brez instead of 2,
right
frigid spindle
If your wanting to play all 3 specs but mainly prot what stats should go on Lariat?
Haste/Crit?
median tulip
Haste/Crit is the stat array of choice for Prot and Arms
IIRC Fury goes Haste/Mastery, but I don't play Fury
slim dove
yeah fury wants haste/mast, execute 100% chance to crit so crit low value
arms does fine with mastery
pure relic
big bleedz
twin bramble
ideal opener is ravager>charge+avatar>demo shout>thunderour roar>shield charge a...
Perfect. Thanks!
frigid spindle
so ill just go hast/crit
loud wave
Guys is it worth using crit Primordial Stone with 16% crit chance?
jade pulsar
sim it
sick sentinel
are we going to no longer care about crafted gear?
says crafted 411-424 cap heroic cap is 428-441
i think i'd understand more if the whole system starts at 411 and the very top end (what our 418's are now) would be like 441?
warm plinth
says crafted 411-424 cap heroic cap is 428-441
Crafted isn't 411-424 cap
424 is the highest you can make with just a spark
You can go higher with the enchanted shadowflame crest
up to 447
sick sentinel
so, 424 is the starting r5 ?
warm plinth
yes
sick sentinel
gotcha
warm plinth
and then wyrm's shadowflame crest takes it up to 437 and aspect up to 447
sick sentinel
i assume you can use it on a s1 piece of gear to upgrade it one time to base? 411 or whatever?
or, some of them i guess i meawn
fresh igloo
s1 crafted gear should continue to be upgradeable.
warm plinth
You can use it on an already crafted piece by just changing the spark
sick sentinel
i'm just curious how it does or doesn't merge with the craft crap thats already in my bags
warm plinth
Spark will show as an "optional" reagent (even though it's not actually) and you just need to use the new spark to upgrade it further than 418
sick sentinel
seew what happens when i launches i suppose
warm plinth
what do you mean merge?
fresh igloo
i'm just curious how it does or doesn't merge with the craft crap thats already ...
you won't be re-using the current sparks for higher ilvl, or the current primal infusions.
warm plinth
Current sparks and current infusions are for S1 gear ilevels only
fresh igloo
you can still make old s1 gear i suppose
warm plinth
You can turn in your old focus for reputation and I think you can vendor the infusions themselves iirc? But you can't use them to do anything in S2 unless you wanted to make gear with S1 ilevel for some reason.
sick sentinel
im still gunna try to get another greater infusion for the lariat or somethin
warm plinth
Yeah we don't really know how the new sparks are obtained yet I don't think? You make them by putting two shards or something together but I don't think we know where those shards come from other than a single quest that gives 2 (which is enough for 1 spark)
sick sentinel
i dunno, im thinking about it, and if the idol of the dreamer buff is infinite duration, why not just put 1 ysemerald gem to your gear for it, 8 minutes of ramping haste, cuz im not convinced the, it gives you 200-300 of each secondary is worth trying to constantly proc
grim pilot
Which one would be better? I plan on keeping 1 + annulet
slim dove
untable cuz fuck dropping that much haste
warm plinth
Sim for DPS. The right answer is probably the star band but I personally would probably keep the haste.
slim dove
idc what anyone says about ilvl or sim dps
warm plinth
That's a lot of haste to lose
charred rose
Is there an aura that tells me when is the best time to use spell reflect?
slim dove
no
grim pilot
yeah I was also lenient towards the loop, haste loss would be too big - wanted to ask though
slim dove
learn what you can/need to reflect and get gud
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily, did you wish Luna happy birthday
cinder storm
Is there an aura that tells me when is the best time to use spell reflect?
There's a few weakauras that tell you when spells are focused on you so you know if you need to SR and there's a few for last boss NO if you think that'd make it easier for you
fresh belfry
feel like my new rings are gonna have a noticable impact on shieldblock uptime
casually dropping >1k haste
dapper vapor
Are you guys using Storm or Freezing for raid rn
dense coral
feel like my new rings are gonna have a noticable impact on shieldblock uptime
Into the FraY Talent?
pure relic
feel like my new rings are gonna have a noticable impact on shieldblock uptime
? Just use HR.
literally
pallid quiver
Can't notice any more than 100% uptime
spice iron
Vengeance to keep up the set bonus is a damage loss during Execute window, right?
fresh belfry
did you guys just simultaniously suggest to take both HR and into the fray at the same time?
kinda cute
sick sentinel
feel like my new rings are gonna have a noticable impact on shieldblock uptime
just play correctly and hit your buttons and none of this weill be issue
slim dove
based yogi telling it like it is.
fresh belfry
minmaxing your rings for dps and then playing heavy repercussions sounds like heavy bait tho
slim dove
you play hr anyways in keys.
warm plinth
Vengeance to keep up the set bonus is a damage loss during Execute window, right...
Yeah, you ignore revenge during execute entirely
On 1-2T
warm plinth
minmaxing your rings for dps and then playing heavy repercussions sounds like he...
Please explain how that's bait? What does DPS have to do with HR?
fresh belfry
HR is a dps loss?
warm plinth
So is dying because you don't have Shield Block up?
slim dove
lavish oracle
feel like my new rings are gonna have a noticable impact on shieldblock uptime
I mean, you can easily reach 100% sb uptime with any level of haste unless you're running ITF instead of HR
pallid quiver
He is running ITF
and is a major simp for it, last I checked
It's a decent talent when hitting haste break points, but it's a minor DPS increase in AOE and a loss in M+ ST
since you can't ensure full stacks
lavish oracle
I dunno, if you're gonna drop below a usable SB uptime, just swap
Seems like an easy fix
limpid pasture
Fellow zugzug, is there a haste soft cap for prot?
warm plinth
Virtually unreachable this patch. Not something you need to be concerned about.
pure relic
did you guys just simultaniously suggest to take both HR and into the fray at th...
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit huh
delicate geyser
do warriors still generate rage when a shield(like disc power word shield or mistweave cocoon) absorbs the damage
amber siren
yeah hasn't been a thing for a very long time
limber flame
having no haste wep and shield dropping me below 30% haste hurts me internally
grizzled kite
does Icy Ground cast target tanks on Mythic Sennarth?
limber flame
just emotionally hurts me
grizzled kite
or can we just rush ahead on the fight
fresh belfry
is it intentional the 5 target sim was done without Seismic Reviberation?
frail fern
Hi new to the sever..what is best stup for the gems on ring please ...thx
frail fern
thx
fresh belfry
not for comparing the stones to each other, but surely when comparing the stones to having secondaries?
but yeah, might've been you had a reason to omit it. ty
warm plinth
It's just using the same talent build for both it looks like. It's the raid build
In the end, those sims are just a quick reference. You should sim against your actual gear anyway to make your decision
plain turret
Fast Question guys... back from a week long vacation... but are we using the new ring or not? 😄
amber siren
yes, pins for details
plain turret
yes, pins for details
i saw the pin for what primordial gems to use 😄 I just wanted to know if we were actually using it 😄
warm plinth
Yes, we're actually using it
Results will probably be better for you than the pinned sims (as far as relative dps) because those assume bis gear
plush tendon
I mean, Im finding the ring to get outpaced once you start getting above 6 targets
at least for my sims
pallid quiver
They're stronger in ST, but start falling off as you get involved in larger and larger aoe iirc
wary spire
im arms 417, how difficult would it be to tank sbg 20 for example in mostly arms bis gear? assuming i know what im doing ofc. cant pug for shit as arms and tired of it
median tulip
Isn't it considered bait because of the duration?
warm plinth
im arms 417, how difficult would it be to tank sbg 20 for example in mostly arms...
Your gear would not be an issue
Yeah it's bait because sim always assumes it lasts the full duration
Which doesn't take into consideration mobs dying before it runs out
pallid quiver
Prot's most important stat is str, so
warm plinth
Doesn't arms stack haste/crit anyway?
median tulip
im arms 417, how difficult would it be to tank sbg 20 for example in mostly arms...
Most of your gear will be Haste/Crit, the same as Protection uses. Asking as you have a decent ilvl shield and one hander you should be fine
wary spire
Ty guys 🙂 ill give it a go I guess
median tulip
Which doesn't take into consideration mobs dying before it runs out
I mean, I get that, but I think on high Fort that that's being overly pessimistic
warm plinth
I mean it doesn't matter what level key you're doing. It's still not anticipating the death of a mob
Mobs die on all key levels
median tulip
Ty guys 🙂 ill give it a go I guess
Oh and for reference, we mostly use damage trinkets in M+ anyway; if you have a Windscar Whetstone you have BiS
wary spire
Good to know, my trinkets worried me the most
median tulip
Mobs die on all key levels
Sure, but the higher the key, the longer they live, so the more DoTs go to full duration
median tulip
Good to know, my trinkets worried me the most
I usually run Icon/Whetstone, or All-Totem/Whetstone
pallid quiver
Good to know, my trinkets worried me the most
Not only do we not need tanky trinkets at the moment, the tank trinkets that exist also suck and don't really help to survive
so it's a double win-win
median tulip
All-Totem is ok
pallid quiver
that's a damage trinket, thank you
median tulip
Doesn't it only priority roll on Main Spec Tank?
pallid quiver
Yeah, but it doesn't like, give an absorb shield or anything last I checked
warm plinth
We generally don't have good defensive trinkets that aren't also good offensive trinkets.
warm plinth
Like the only truly defensive trinkets that've been used historically have been cheat death trinkets, because well, cheat death.
What do you mean a fake piece of gear?
sick sentinel
one i dont yet own
so i cant copy it iinto simc
so i have to make a fake
to be able to sim it
fresh belfry
absorb trinkets have seen a lot of use in shadowlands
median tulip
absorb trinkets have seen a lot of use in shadowlands
Scale was kinda broken. But that was the only decent true defensive trinket
fresh belfry
uhm
sick sentinel
also, i duno wtf a "bonus id" is
median tulip
There's a reason why the Bladedancer's Armour Kit is the icon for the emote 
sick sentinel
id just like to be able to sim it to see
warm plinth
Scale also did good damage though
fresh belfry
scale was more accessible + was almost competetive with a full dps trinket.
warm plinth
can i just find out the ID's and put them in this format?
You could just like...use gear compare 👀
fresh belfry
but Shard of Annhylde's Aegis (thats what its called) was actually insane defensively
median tulip
Aegis was good
warm plinth
There's literally a gear compare option at the top
median tulip
For like... 2 patches out of 4
strong forum
If you think scale was a good trinket idk what to tell you
slim dove
warm plinth
Yeah but again, aegis also did good damage (and frankly was OP defensively)
slim zinc
60-90% hp shield on a 2 min cd
warm plinth
We only like defensive trinkets when they're busted 🙂
slim zinc
Aegis was an 8 second immune in aoe situations
strong forum
Wasn't it 30-50% hp at best?
fresh belfry
but then again you couldve just played a class that never needed a defensive trinket ever in SL
slim zinc
hmm
warm plinth
I mean...a 50% HP shield is pretty strong lol
slim zinc
not really
strong forum
Defensive trinkets have to be borderline broken to be considered good
warm plinth
Blizzard's trinket design team should be fired tbh. How things like lingering sporepods can exist in the same game as RGM, aegis, all-totem
is mind-blowing
slim zinc
50% on VDH lasted less than 1 global on a decently high fort key
Aegis also touches on something people really don't talk about a lot
strong forum
In a world where aegis existed, to then release stamina trinkets again with a tiny absorb on a large CD is a crime
slim zinc
Full massive shields aren't that great most of the time when it will just cause you to overheal
warm plinth
@strong forum have you taken a look at the shitty trinkets we're gonna see again next season 🙂
strong forum
Yeah it's uh
slim zinc
Next season gets the best defensive trinket since at least BFA though
strong forum
We get good ones, but also very bad ones
warm plinth
yeah we get to see shit like Shard of Rokmora and Lingering Sporepods again
fresh belfry
scale was good when the added absorb ontop of AMS allowed you to 100% absorb certain magic tank abilities and just remove that mechanic and debuff out of the game
strong forum
Don't forget the resonator from uldaman
warm plinth
strong forum
Top tier garbage bin trinket
slim zinc
yeah we get to see shit like Shard of Rokmora and Lingering Sporepods again
In the same season as splinter 
strong forum
Splinter will be the saviour of tank trinkets
median tulip
The Mutated Magmammoth Scale might be decent. Depends on the scaling
warm plinth
Man I really really want to see someone panic use splinter and kill themselves with it
strong forum
The shield absorbs part of the self dmg already
slim zinc
magmammoth scale is worse than most similar ilvl trinkets atm
warm plinth
Did they actually fix the initial damage counting as your own damage? lol
strong forum
scale was good when the added absorb ontop of AMS allowed you to 100% absorb cer...
Ams is just a pure cheat in general
fresh belfry
10 minutes of playing warrior on Magmorax on friday made me log on BDK
median tulip
The Inexorable Resonator is one of those trinkets which looks good in theory but only actually works on Death Knights
slim zinc
I'm sorry sir what
that trinket is literally the weakest trinket designed in more than 4 expansions
strong forum
Even modular plating was better
warm plinth
😂
strong forum
And that trinket did nothing
median tulip
That was a joke about falling below 50% health, nvm
strong forum
Trinkets like that are a trigger word
warm plinth
Nome I know we're getting toward having to probably replace it but can we change to burgeoning seed 🙏
slim zinc
Modular plating made you do 6% more damage and take 5% less damage overall in comparison
Burgeoning is goated compared to resonator though
strong forum
You see in a world where people thought codex made you stronger, resonator is literally ptsd
warm plinth
I was arguing with people right up to the end of the expansion about codex
Tilting af
strong forum
That's why the joke didn't land
slim zinc
I've already steeled myself for containing myself to not mock people that use it
warm plinth
The trinket I've argued about the most this expansion though? Granyth's scale
An unbelievable amount of people think that trinket is good
slim zinc
I'm never gonna argue a trinket as much as I did codex
strong forum
Granyth scale isn't hard to argue against
slim zinc
If it were to even begin someone is going to get removed from the server, not sure me or them
uncut thunder
An unbelievable amount of people think that trinket is good
Pretty sure it’s listed as BIS for Mythic Plus in a few guides.
median tulip
"Trinket that gives armour" is basically a red flag
strong forum
Yes
slim zinc
No trinket will ever beat Codex unless they make a worse version of it
median tulip
I don't know why, but Bliz waaaay overcost the value of bonus armor
slim zinc
having to explain to people that they need to think beyond "big bar goes brr"
was impossible
strong forum
It's the ring situation rn
slim zinc
Ring is really good if you're not really good
sick sentinel
running some small simulations see what it brings up for me
strong forum
Exactly
slim zinc
Basically
warm plinth
Yeah the problem with codex was that they were like "oh it's doing 10% of my damage"
slim zinc
it's the perfect tell
warm plinth
🙂
strong forum
Yeah the problem with codex was that they were like "oh it's doing 10% of my dam...
Had alot more issues than that
slim zinc
Yeah the problem with codex was that they were like "oh it's doing 10% of my dam...
Which either meant:
A: You're doing garbage damage
or
B: You're misplaying your defensives something amazing
Which tbf
I saw some 32-33 logs from BDKs using less than 15% of their defensives over a key so I guess misplaying had a very low bar
warm plinth
Well, the effect actually did do decent damage. The issue was that they weren't considering the lack of strength in that, which like Nome said is a similar issue with the ring currently. People see 8% damage or whatever and don't consider the amount of damage they'd get from the secondaries so they just see 8% and think oh it's 8% better
slim zinc
Yeah I know, Nom can testify I was one of the Theorycrafters on the forefront of the Codex War
I still have minor ptsd from 9.2
strong forum
warm plinth
I even have DPS friends who are like oh this sims badly but it shows as 10% of my damage, surely 1200 secondaries can't be 10% of my damage rihgt?
slim zinc
Given how it actually had a point where it became good for VDH I had to tell a lot of people that they weren't remotely as good as they thought they were
Many people didn't take well to that regardless of how nicely I put it
strong forum
I even have DPS friends who are like oh this sims badly but it shows as 10% of m...
Remind them of the fact that secondaries get better the more targets you add, and the more general dmg you deal with your class
warm plinth
But they use it on subcreation!
It has to be good if it's the top trinket on subcreation right?
strong forum
slim zinc
It made Naowh do -4% damage in his +24 ramp key in TGP but surely it's bis because he used it 🙃
It definitely wasn't that he didn't bother switching trinkets in between dungeons because they are gonna three chest it pretty much regardless
sick sentinel
Should i toss more in crit/vers after 5000haste rating? @strong forum
remember you said it's the first DR at 5k right?
warm plinth
It's a virtually irrelevant DR
slim zinc
you lose 10% of the value post 5100 haste
left beacon
with 1 handed weapon specialization talent, that 5% 1 handed weapon damage, is that just melee damage or how is that 5% added i guess kinda confused
warm plinth
with 1 handed weapon specialization talent, that 5% 1 handed weapon damage, is t...
It just means you do 5% more damage if you have a 1-hand weapon equipped
willow hearth
Hey guys ! Are you playing the 3 stones for aoe atm, which are pinned ? or are you playing the 2 stones with absorb shield and the other one with dmg when gaining absorb?
for mplus
median tulip
You shouldn't really need additional defensive power in M+
willow hearth
because 2 guys of the top 10 warriors are playing with 2 absorb and the other one
warm plinth
So that means 80% of them aren't
In any case, there's likely a lot of testing going on right now so I'd be surprised if you didn't find people doing "weird" gem combos
sick sentinel
i'm continuing to use the shining + gealming + frost gem combo
charred ivy
Desirous Blood Stone is shadow family?
sick sentinel
provides small defensive this week when its already rough for tanks and healers
fresh belfry
because 2 guys of the top 10 warriors are playing with 2 absorb and the other on...
which absorb gems exactly? because the sims in the pins dont contain any of them and therefore also the "deals dmg when you get absorb" gem also never procs
willow hearth
which absorb gems exactly? because the sims in the pins dont contain any of them...
2 tanks in top 10 mplus are playing 2 absorb gems and 1 dealing dmg when u get a shield ( 8 warriors arent playing the ring )
strong forum
Should i toss more in crit/vers after 5000haste rating? <@192743144276623360>
first dr is around there yeah, you can just sim, but you can freely stack until 7k
strong forum
idk theyre all trash
willow hearth
wait
they are playing - Cold Frost Stone, Shining Obsidian Stone, Indomitable Earth Stone
like tattman playing
sick sentinel
scenic mural
he alos played codex all of SL
scenic mural
@sick sentinel the priest in ur 14s etc opinion isnt really a credible source
this is a nonaffix week for tanks, especially sabg
scenic mural
makes no difference
warm plinth
Desirous Blood Stone is shadow family?
Necromantic
sick sentinel
yeah, cuz even if its only SBG and HOV, im only doing 16's or 17's
did at least 3 17 sbg
mighty grail
How are warriors looking for s2? Still top?
sick sentinel
onlyt under 16 to do a parse/log
warm plinth
We're not even top now
We're still good though. We haven't received any changes either way
mighty grail
Cool TY
sick sentinel
DW i've since experience better groups where we didn't have any issues.
fresh belfry
they are playing - Cold Frost Stone, Shining Obsidian Stone, Indomitable Earth S...
for me the absorb combination only sims 1.5k worse than the bloodstone/storm combination on aoe while providing you with like 4.5k hps worth of absorbs. (thats like 1x your lifepool every 2 minutes). i think its worth playing around with but where you go from there is up to you
errant oriole
oh really?
fresh belfry
well. actually only two of them of which one was very undertuned (but still noticable) while the other one was awful to tank as a warrior (magmorax). the other two bosses were the first boss which isnt a boss and Neltharion which couldnt be phased but was fine in p1 and p2
errant oriole
oh boy that sounds interesting then notjd
sick sentinel
in a 17 sbg i timed, the ring i made did 3,036 dps (8.3%) and 2.67m heal (cold frost stone, 10.5%) and gleaming was for just 982k (3.9%), gleaming Auto Attack damage buff is up 66.0% of the time, the absorb is up 10.9%
weary saddle
in a 17 sbg i timed, the ring i made did 3,036 dps (8.3%) and 2.67m heal (cold f...
that sounds really good
undone verge
well. actually only two of them of which one was very undertuned (but still noti...
yeah I felt this too, the first boss was kinda a joke, especially to tank, but the second boss was terrible to tank as a pwarrior
espeically the void one which gave you a stacking magic dot, and reduced your health every stack too
stable valve
that sounds really good
It sounds really bad lol
About half as much dps as storm/blood/twilight did for me in a 20 SBG and the absorb is deffo not needed even at that key level
scenic mural
and roughly 80% of that absorb was prolly wasted/procced at pointless time
chrome falcon
floral sphinx
is anyone else humming arcane stone doing like 2% dmg or is it just me?
warm plinth
Just you because I think you're the only one still using that stone :p
floral sphinx
rofl i just took it off but i ran a few dungs and i was like no way this stone was any good
crisp slate
are the ST sims pinned still best for stone combo?
warm plinth
yes
warm plinth
rofl i just took it off but i ran a few dungs and i was like no way this stone w...
Yeah the ICD hurt it pretty considerably
covert spear
I am just starting Razageth tonight is there a good place to find a recommended talent build for the fight?
I generally look at subcreation or just logs but sometimes those usually are maximizing dps on reclears
jagged pier
this was mine
covert spear
ty
covert spear
You were ok with SB uptime in this guild?
jagged pier
yes i was fine
patent gorge
Anyone have the spell id to combine All totem of the master in details?
pallid quiver
matta changed his avatar i'm scared
sick sentinel
oh god no nnononononononon i just had a horrible flash back future time vision
astral crystal
I generally look at subcreation or just logs but sometimes those usually are max...
you can safely go big dam on rasz
sick sentinel
under rot means spore pods drops
astral crystal
she's very soft on tanks
sick sentinel
this means someone will inevitably get them, and we weill have to explain it 100 times over 😦
yellow names we have to bring back the emote for s2
patent gorge
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1070134839958...
Thank you very much
hybrid gust
any of you use brez bracers in M+? i feel like its hard to brez as tank
warm plinth
No, engi rez as a tank is sketchy at best
sick sentinel
No, engi rez as a tank is sketchy at best
explain how
i think i know most ways but i want to hear why, also key
velvet lichen
No, engi rez as a tank is sketchy at best
I agree worst role to have engi ress on
warm plinth
Have to move into melee range, can't block/dodge/parry during the cast are already good enough reasons
It's a long ass cast time too
3 seconds iirc
worthy forge
hey guys which spec are you using for prot warrior for m+ specially on +20 runs
pallid quiver
worthy forge
well i cant find anything about build
pallid quiver
Have you tried looking a bit harder?
General Purpose is probably fine for your use case, though the "IMO best build" is probably the best overall
Swap Tough as Nails into Spell Block as necessary
uncut thunder
Swap Tough as Nails into Spell Block as necessary
I can think of a few but is there any guide or reference that says what dungeons benefit from Spell Block? Thanks
pallid quiver
Usually Temple, RLP are the main two
Anything you want to block a some hefty spell damage in pretty frequently
warm plinth
AV is a good one as well
pallid quiver
Some people like to take it for SBG, but I prefer to just walk away from the skellies/stun them, since after them and first boss, there's minimal use for it
uncut thunder
Oh that’s right you can use it in void slash
pallid quiver
If you get really spooked by Hyrja shield or are doing some big boy keys, can help make you feel better about not getting murdered there
uncut thunder
Yeah that’s another good one too.
warm plinth
Just gotta pick up your man parts and rotate them CDs correctly; you'll feel better about yourself
pallid quiver
That's my recommendation on that one
there's very little else worth using spell block on in that dungeon
warm plinth
I'm just waiting for the day where I remember to spec into Intervene for that dungeon tbh
wise lark
should we use the new ring?
warm plinth
Probably
wise lark
is it better?
warm plinth
For damage, yes
hushed swift
is there a resource yet for what stones are better for tanking?
verbal wren
I'm just waiting for the day where I remember to spec into Intervene for that du...
I gave up and made a giant glowing intervene icon appear in the middle of my screen if I zone in to HOV and don't have the talent. Kept forgetting
uneven mason
is there a resource yet for what stones are better for tanking?
whatever does the most damage
warm plinth
That's a good idea haha
verbal wren
It's literally big enough that there's no way I could ignore it and play haha
worthy forge
which gems are you guys using for ring?
uneven mason
It's literally big enough that there's no way I could ignore it and play haha
Doing better than 90% of DPS out there, somehow miss EletricBoogalootwo (There's lightning under your fucking feet)
warm plinth
which gems are you guys using for ring?
check pins
warm plinth
It's literally big enough that there's no way I could ignore it and play haha
Yeah that's what I did on my frost mage for Ring of Power and Icy Veins to make sure I press them on CD lol. Just make them huge and bouncy
graceful osprey
seeing most argue storm over freezing atm, a bit curious about the reasoning? Storm doesn't seem that much better in aoe, and liable to ninjapull, while freezing has a significant leg up for st
uneven mason
iirc it's a breakdown between what the math shows and actual execution
sick sentinel
miscommunication HOV, someone lusted on skovald and then group couldnt kill odyn, when we over timed, they lusted on the pull of odyn so wiped again
warm plinth
what's wrong with lusting on the pull of odyn
graceful osprey
lusting on pull makes perfect sense if you're in a grp liable to wiping/dying on odyn
lines up with cds and ensures that you get it on 5 players, over 2-3 if people fuck up the marks.
warm plinth
Yeah, well I meant more that yogi does keys in the range of like 15-17 and it's fortified week, so lusting on pull on Odyn is actually fine
Like on a high key, especially on tyr, I'd probably wait for rune brand phase
graceful osprey
I mean, if you know your grp is sound you lust on brand
but I got the feeling that yogis wasn't
and in that case I prefer lusting on pull
so roughly agreeing with ya:P
round pendant
Can I change gems in my annulet on the fly?
or do I have to go to the place and pluck one out?
uncut thunder
or do I have to go to the place and pluck one out?
Yup. Gotta go back to the place.
round pendant
lame
uncut thunder
There is not a huge diff is seems on AE and ST so you should not really have to switch unless you are going for a non DPS build with shields or healing
fresh igloo
you can also have multiple rings
hard dust
slow spire
I suppose it depends on ilvl but battle stance for heroic raid
reef holly
For CoS, do you still have to run through the house after first boss to open the double doors at the beginning?
warm plinth
Yes, someone does at least.
median tulip
Second easiest dungeon this season IMO
ornate thunder
Did details start splitting up the dmg of the gems again?
how can I just have it conjoined
distant crystal
details always has
theres some custom code you can paste in there to make it combine them
lol i was checking a bunch of class discords to find the code but it's this one, check pins
ornate thunder
I didn't have the custom stuff yesterday and it was showing as one
distant crystal
i suspect you're mistaken 🤷
maybe you were looking at warcraft logs? they're combined there
distant crystal
certainly does but it shows up separate in mine
ornate thunder
Ty!
sick sentinel
options on details and 2 steps
distant crystal
oh they built it in now neat
sick sentinel
yup
as of few days ago
25 or 24?
cuz, its good for me, cuz im testing out absorb ring
so, this way, i can be non-biased when talking about it
undone verge
brood down and we up
fast knot
undone verge
SL season 4 we were the second best tank
you're thinking of every other patch of shadowlands
warm plinth
a.) what kind of water are you giving your dog that it's bad? and b.) prot warrior has literally never been bad outside of SL season 1 which let's be honest, was a shit season for tanks in general
primal rain
If the Onyx Annulet were to get nerfed in 10.1, would it affect who it scales in mage tower?
warm plinth
lol it works in the mage tower?
primal rain
yes
warm plinth
The answer is yes, if it gets nerfed, then that means when it's scaled down, it will also be nerfed for that content.
primal rain
🤫
I better hurry then
Would upgraded stones be stronger than non-upgraded stones when scaled down?
or are they the same
gloomy ferry
yo how important is vers for us as prot warriors compared to other tanks
like if im full arms stats Crit-haste will it perform fine
gloomy ferry
Also is a 421 leech horn good for prot
mighty valley
horn's not one of our best trinkets, it's ok
leech is a nice little bonus but no tertiary rolls ever matter enough when comparing gear
gloomy ferry
So whats our bis m+ only trinkets
urban portal
Would upgraded stones be stronger than non-upgraded stones when scaled down?
likely still stronger
gloomy ferry
yea
urban portal
and gets outpaced in uncapped AOE by stats
mighty valley
whetstone for sure, then... idk. blazebinder is ok?
primal rain
are the survival stones any good?
warm plinth
Move Thunderlord to Battering Ram
Other than that, looks good. I prefer bounding stride over pain and gain but it's personal preference
warm plinth
More damage, more SS resets, and smoother gameplay due to Demo lining up with every CD (other than Avatar)
gloomy ferry
more damage? doesnt demo shout give dmg/walls
warm plinth
It gives damage via booming voice, yes. But you're guaranteeing that that damage is during CDs rather than at random times
Battering Ram is a lot of damage as well
gloomy ferry
I see alright
sick sentinel
He’s right go battering ram bro , the only time you will need to switch out anything is for high key on day maybe HoV and pick up the two shield wall talent
balmy pawn
Diiiiid they change something to make /cast ignore pain /cast shield slam not work anymore?
gloomy ferry
Would you take double shield wall on HoV
warm plinth
Diiiiid they change something to make /cast ignore pain /cast shield slam not wo...
No
I wouldn't take double shield wall anywhere in the current season.
balmy pawn
I had to pull the macro off my bar during a tjs because it wasn't casting ignore pain and idk why
warm plinth
The niche that it's good for doesn't exist right now
mighty valley
especially at really high keys where things last longer - impenetrable wall is more walls total over a long time
on top of rage gen
warm plinth
I had to pull the macro off my bar during a tjs because it wasn't casting ignore...
Not sure. I'm assuming since you say it wasn't casting IP that it was casting the slam?
balmy pawn
Not sure. I'm assuming since you say it wasn't casting IP that it was casting t...
Nope, it was doing absolutely nothing
warm plinth
What binding is it on?
balmy pawn
Shift 2
warm plinth
Is that a new binding/have you messed with any bindings lately?
gloomy ferry
is vers bracers or haste pants better embellishment
warm plinth
If you have to pick between the two, the bracers
mighty valley
all embellishments are roughly equal
balmy pawn
Nope, same binding forever. Shift 1 worked, and that's also a macro (demo shout/avatar)
warm plinth
Any new addons?
The reason I ask is that the most likely culprit is that something has taken that binding and so there's a conflict
mighty valley
ss > tc > revenge with your gcds, unless target count is massive
keep sb up, use IP to prevent overcapping rage
the end
oh wait. use your offensive cds on cd
warm plinth
All CDs on CD, SS>TC>Revenge, dump rage with Ignore Pain if Revenge isn't keeping it from capping. We don't care about overcapping Ignore Pain.
mighty valley
the end (really)
warm plinth
And keep SB up 
warm plinth
zugalugalug
slim dove
healed a 21 cos at 395 on rdruid
warm plinth
pog
slim dove
true challenge
warm plinth
I need to try some harder shit on mine. I'm right around 398 or 399
slim dove
searing glares? never kicked
warm plinth
16s are 💤
warm plinth
That ability actually shocked me when I healed it the first time. I never realized it did so much damage lol
Made me more aware of it when I play my main
warm plinth
Yessir
mighty valley
use dstance as a cd
warm plinth
Certain boss fights you want to dance and/or stay in def the whole time
mighty valley
for big scary stuff
warm plinth
e.g. 1st/2nd boss of RLP, crawth, hyrja tankbuster
violet flume
How do you guys do the pulling on the tree boss room in AA? Do you pull the entire room? I've been holding back since skitterfly buff seems scary for the group's health
ive been missing timer like 3x in a row with minimal deaths so just wondering what i can do better pull wise :/
errant oriole
if it helps I pull skitter flies seperate and then after all 6 are dead I pull rest
vale escarp
I'll pull the hole room If using BL, If not i'll pull the 6 flies first
warm plinth
If people are regularly dying to the full room then just leave 1 pack of skitters out, or 2 half and half (half lashers + 1 skitters, other half lashers + other skitters)
or do half and half*
violet flume
hmm alright ill try that next time
ionic fern
Pull everything and flame the DPS'ers.
queen canopy
in ST, when avatar is active, when should I be shield slam vs revenge?
if every other GCD is thunder clap, and I can use either shield slam or revenge, which do I choose? shield slam?
grave flower
Shield slam when able, revenge otherwise.
grave flower
IP
queen canopy
yeah thats what I thought I just wasn't sure
even with show of force its not worth working revenge in right?
unless shield slam is down?
ionic fern
Yes.
You still keep the priority of SS->TC->Revenge.
If SS is up and you're about to overcap with the next cast you IP since it's off the GCD and then SS.
queen canopy
perfect yeah thats what i';ve been doing, just making sure. thx :)
ionic fern
grave flower
And always make sure to use shield slam with your violent outburst procs and not TC unless you have like 8+ mobs around you
orchid frigate
ugh i feel so stupid. didnt think the hyrja beam would one shout you on a +20 fort without any defensives up
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
warm plinth
Exhausted. I am sorely tempted to destroy two $40,000 printers
ionic fern
Oh printer issues.
Always fun.
Luckily for me it's just a phonecall to the maintenance company.
So i couldn't care less.
warm plinth
Especially when you've already had the technician out for it twice and he keeps trying to blame the stickers that aren't involved in the jams.
So I've decided I am just going to keep opening service tickets until they're fixed.
orchid frigate
also on god king skovald i dropped the shield while using greiftorch 
warm plinth
Unfortunately I have to care because they're the only printers we have that can print the paperwork for the customers, and I have to have them printed in time to make the trucks
warm plinth
lol
ionic fern
I'm pretty sure i dropped it once as a DH when i used Fel Devastation.
orchid frigate
a friend said i couldnt do any abilities at all when using the shield
ionic fern
Naa, you can.
warm plinth
Just nothing with a cast time
orchid frigate
but i think i normally do my rotation during that phase
ionic fern
It's probably channels that mess it up.
orchid frigate
aah
warm plinth
Or expel harm if you're a brewmaster (for some reason)
orchid frigate
lmao
warm plinth
Even though it has no cast time
orchid frigate
it has happened that i picked up the shield once or twice before and it was dropped before the encounter for no (known) reason
warm plinth
I just had that happen and a friend told me why that happens and I have already forgotten
I assume it's something to do with spiteful maybe?
orchid frigate
🤷♂️
warm plinth
Oh, yeah
It's because you drop the shield when you leave combat
So shade puts you in combat, you pick shield up, shade dies, you drop shield
orchid frigate
btw about the grieftorch, you dont parry/dodge while channeling?
ionic fern
No.
warm plinth
or block
weary saddle
recently,
I keep seeing some streamers with a 'brown force field'. do u know what that is?
warm plinth
Probably a stone if I had to guess
sick sentinel
is sidearm or barbaric training more dmg in m+?
warm plinth
no idea, but you don't run barbaric training anyway
sick sentinel
why not? and what do you pick instead?
warm plinth
Because it makes revenge a piece of shit spender. It's a 25% increase in damage but a whopping 50% increase in rage cost.
You would run something like intimidating shout, storm bolt, bounding stride, pain and gain. Any of those that you don't already have talented
sick sentinel
been playing barbaric training for a few days and havent really had rage issue with it so far
warm plinth
well I'm not gonna hold a gun to your head. you can play what you want 👍
sick sentinel
do you feel like it has a very negative impact on your rage overall?
warm plinth
Yes. And if you're not having rage issues because of it then it's likely you're doing something else wrong. Not pressing buttons enough for starters.
heavy temple
Yes. And if you're not having rage issues because of it then it's likely you're...
That is something I struggle with alot.
Anyone would be willing to review my diurna first kill log?
limpid anchor
That is something I struggle with alot.
Struggle with what exactly?
heavy temple
Struggle with what exactly?
Pressing enough buttons
heavy temple
(:
Maybe I'm too slow in the head I dunno
Although making a IP + SS and Revenge + IP macro helped alot
limpid anchor
At least not the second one
ionic fern
IP+SS, yes...IP+revenge NO.
heavy temple
IP+SS, yes...IP+revenge NO.
I do not use IP+Revenge as a main button. It is something I press to not overcap
heavy temple
ionic fern
Are you on adds?
heavy temple
on boss
heavy temple
xD
limpid anchor
Well
heavy temple
I have not killed terros in like 7 weeks
limpid anchor
The stones shouldn’t be top dmg
Problem with being boss tank is that your dmg is just gonna suffer
As you might need to play more defensive, depending on your group
heavy temple
I am not comparing myself to tanks on adds
limpid anchor
So i would say it’s not a good boss to check your damage
As it also depends on your route etc
warm plinth
I will say that you spent half your outbursts on TC instead of SS
limpid anchor
But your dmg is low anyway
warm plinth
And IP was your most cast ability
limpid anchor
Yea, you don’t spam ip
So you have more rage for rev, so more damage :>
Besides that, press buttons faster
But might be hard to if you do the eggs or not
heavy temple
Yeah, I have some downtime due to that
limpid anchor
If you do eggs dmg is even worse
heavy temple
I was breaking eggs, yes
limpid anchor
And the nature of parses is just that you want 100% uptime to even compete
If you can’t, you can’t parse
warm plinth
You were also in defensive stance like 3/4 of the fight which is obviously going to hurt your damage (I am not familiar with the raid though so this might be necessary on that fight)
sick sentinel
415 puzzle or 415 whetstone?
warm plinth
Whetstone by a mile
heavy temple
You were also in defensive stance like 3/4 of the fight which is obviously going...
Yes, I just go to def stance after the 6th or 7th set of eggs
sick sentinel
Whetstone by a mile
puzzle + whet over whet + Hunger of the pack?
heavy temple
This is not about doing a high parse. Breaking eggs and being on boss, makes it kina wonky, it is about playing better
limpid anchor
Puzzle sucks
heavy temple
Also, I felt like being in danger alot, and our healers were struggling, so I pressed IP alot, but maybe thats flawed logic.
limpid anchor
Also, I felt like being in danger alot, and our healers were struggling, so I pr...
That’s what I meant
Brood dmg heavly relies on your team
heavy temple
Ye
warm plinth
puzzle + whet over whet + Hunger of the pack?
Not if they're the same ilevel, no. Whet+HotP for sure.
ionic fern
Also, I felt like being in danger alot, and our healers were struggling, so I pr...
Prots are horrific on Brood.
That's why most of Prot Warriors are on adds.
Proper CD management/asking for externals/ pooling for IP before a hit.
That's about all you can do.
After that you gotta pray that you don't die before the healing reduction ends.
merry trout
hey, for M+ tank sim, what do we usually choose for raidbots? dungeon slice?
or is tank sim even an option?
blazing condor
you cant sim for survival just dps
mortal brook
Raidbots is kept up to date for the spec yep
merry trout
okey, ty
warm plinth
And no, you don't use dungeon slice
blazing condor
but if you do high dps that correlates to playing your spec properly = you're having good survivability
brave jungle
What is our feeling about s2 m+? I am thinking in comparison to Prot Palas and our pretty solid s1 m+ 😇
strange lintel
prot warriors will be okay from now on unless they literally butcher ip scaling or sb timers
median tulip
Yeah, our base kit is fine. The only issue will be from other tanks getting buffed past us
ionic fern
Won't affect 99% of players.
So it's w/e.
Although 99% of players think it will affect them.
Go figure.
jolly granite
This!
tawny thicket
What's the best search term for any good discussion on here about the new ring
Wondering how much dps it will give me once I have the best stones
Is it an obscene amount?
tawny thicket
I've plateaued at around 40k AVG, but missing out on timing 20s by one or two minutes consistently. Just wondered if it could be the boost just to push me over the edge
strong forum
yeah if you do 40k in av its definitely a huge dps upgrade for you
tawny thicket
Great news. Thanks
full light
Wondering how much dps it will give me once I have the best stones
what are you considering as the best stones?
i'm not sure if "Storm Infused Stone/Desirous Blood Stone/Prophetic Twilight Stone" combo is still viable or not :D
solemn onyx
Hey, is the new ring any good after the buffs? i have seen other classes to start using it but im not sure if its worth it for warrior prot
limpid anchor
void glacier
I am still feeling a bit scared to tank in Battle Stance, Yesterday wanted to try HoV 21 but the Heal didnt do anything and i died 2 times. after that new grp and 20 with another heal and you could see he had no problem with grp heal and all but i was still not sure about going Battle Stance. Only have one log from SBG 21 yesterday and wanted to ask if anything is improvable if that is alright to ask. 
blazing condor
post log
void glacier
blazing condor
you need to improve your blocked hits%
you had 65% which isnt good at all
also wasted quite a bit of rage by not dumping enough and therefore overcapping
both those things will make it so you take less damage in general meaning its easier to sit in battle stance
also you run Bolster and Defenders Aegis yet you dont really use shield wall and last stand that much
so theyre kinda wasted
void glacier
ahhh alright alright should i dump it more in IP or more in Revenge?
blazing condor
both is good to dump into cus IP is off gcd soy you can fit it in between other abilities
IP is more survivability but more revenge = more shield slam = more defensives as well
so ideally you use both
void glacier
ok thank you very much will look into it more 
blazing condor
if you dont already have one you should get a WA/whatever that shows your Shield Block
so you can tell when its about to run out so you can plan ahead
void glacier
i use Afenar Warrior WA so i can see it just have to better manage it
full light
well, i'm agreeing on everything Dog said.
overall good mitigation, should be not less than 80%
lacking shield block, should be around 90%
very conservative about shield wall, use it more
HoV is not very hard in terms of tank damage, there is no reason to afraid using combat stance there, except maybe for a 7bears pull
so i would say your deaths weren't on you, but you need to use SW more proactively tho
void glacier
yeah saw that in the log now. didnt realise it until you guys said it, was so schocked to seed Shield block at only 42% used, i got the feeling that i would have used it more but it shows i can do way more. thanks you all guys 😉
verbal wren
You're aware you can use it while there is still time left and it just adds to the timer right? You don't lose the remaining time
full light
yes
void glacier
yeah
verbal wren
you don't need to try to be perfect with casting it right at the end, but you absolutely need to make sure it's not dropping in combat
tawny thicket
What's the highest you can have SB up?
craggy pilot
@void glacier should probably swap Bolster for HR
tawny thicket
How many seconds can I overlap?
craggy pilot
and you will have infinitely easier SB time
craggy pilot
How many seconds can I overlap?
3x duration if i remember correctly
tawny thicket
Til
craggy pilot
I am still feeling a bit scared to tank in Battle Stance, Yesterday wanted to tr...
which spots did you die though? 🤔 something like fx the dragon breath is definately a time to use Shield Wall
topaz field
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pPRJbr2HtadcNXkm#fight=8&type=damage-done&s...
you only died to mechanical missplay from your side and blame the healer quite delusional
full light
but he was talking about deaths in HoV
verbal wren
He took unblocked melee from the boss in the HOV
topaz field
ye so am i
1st death he stands in poopo
2nd death there is no shot he has SB up and eats 120 k something physical hit in 21 key
blast of light
frontal
3rd death
drifting socket
is barbaric training bait for prot warrior?
lunar gazelle
yes
craggy pilot
is barbaric training bait for prot warrior?
100% yes
full light
i was looking only at the SB log
craggy pilot
is this because it costs 30% more rage but only does 25% more damage
its because it rage starves you, and makes it harder to apply the 2piece
drifting socket
aight
uneven mason
is this because it costs 30% more rage but only does 25% more damage
Is it 30% more, that math sounds suss
weary saddle
Question: do you know whether in Season 2 dungeons there is any boss like Liu Flameheart, Crawth, or Korkia Bladehoof (which requires Protwar to use CD rotations)?
uneven mason
Not yet
drifting socket
Is it 30% more, that math sounds suss
yes it is sus, it's 50% more rage
uneven mason
yes it is sus, it's 50% more rage
There ya go
sick sentinel
im no longer going to tell my groups odyn is tough