protection

[versed cape]

Guys, how do I make a script or whatever in details to unite new ring dps? 🙂

[high basalt]

onlyy sometimes though

@astral atlas thanks for your time mate will pratice on everything you said 🙂

i waste 100000000 in one pack 🙂

[outer solstice]

anyone got a simc input for me with a frostfire belt?

all these crafted gear modifier IDs crack my skull

[floral quarry]

yesus i am trash

[outer solstice]

I am too, so no worries

[floral quarry]

😄

i8 died yestzerday 3 times to the drako before hymdall bcause of frontal

ffs

and i never thought about blocking it

time for scotch

[jade pulsar]

here's a weakaura that reminds you, in the description there's a google sheets guide if u rather want that
https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg/7

[floral quarry]

damn thats hot bro

[sacred lion]

any big brain war that can help me with a macro ?
#showtooltip
/cast [nomod] Ignore Pain;
/cast [mod:ctrl] Last Stand;

would like to IP with no mod and when using ctrl to use last stand

[fresh igloo]

that looks fine, are you having problems with it?

[sacred lion]

yeah, doesnt work

idk why

[fresh igloo]

doesn't work in what way

it just does nothing at all?

or ?

[sacred lion]

ctrl doesnt do last stand, button press doesnt do ip

but it does change the spell icon wiht mod

so i think im close?

[fresh igloo]

what if you take out the nomod part

[jade pulsar]

yeah let the brackets be empty

[fresh igloo]

doesn't even need brackets at that point

[sacred lion]

curious shit

now it works even in its form..

both ways

[sand drum]

simple reload ?

[sacred lion]

but when i was editing it in dgn

it wasnt

[sand drum]

idk why you got "[nomod]" should not be needed

[sacred lion]

idk put it there to be "sure"

[fresh igloo]

if you really want IP to not be cast

then yes you need it

but it's not gonna hurt anything if they both cast normally?

[sacred lion]

i prefer to have them separate

[undone verge]

so stones are a go now?

[fresh igloo]

except on the same button 😛

[sacred lion]

i dont have enough buttons kb 😄

[sick sentinel]

none of the asborbs counts as a heal right

cuz IP, those gems, and others show up as "healing" in details

i just have to double check it

[fresh igloo]

absorbs are effective healing in terms of damage prevented but not for removing a healing absorb

so it depends on what you mean

[sick sentinel]

rip

[sullen cipher]

guys so quick question what ring should we run atm then after all ? defensie offensive both situations i have Cos ring Nukhud RIng + Seal of filial duty and all stones that the guide pinned says

give me abreak down some one xD

[shrewd grove]

Check the piiiiiiiiins

[sullen cipher]

i did

[sacred lion]

so the IP button works, but the LS doesnt, seems like last time i just spammed like a madmad and that was the issue, so if anybody is willing, still need help with this shit:
#showtooltip
/cast [nomod] Ignore Pain;
/cast [mod:ctrl] Last Stand;

tried reload, tried removing nomod, none solve it

[shrewd grove]

And you simmed your char?

[sullen cipher]

didnt undrestadn its better after all cuz u need defensive also its not ll about damage

[fresh igloo]

i just tested it and it worked on my end so something else is conflicting.

[sullen cipher]

the fact i fuckign dont know how to sim for m+ cuz im a noob xD

[shrewd grove]

You really don't need more def tbh. Prot Warrior has plenty of defensive options in its kit

[sullen cipher]

im a m+ player not a raid so

[fresh igloo]

are you putting it on a key bind that requires other mod keys?

[sacred lion]

no

its on a basic E

[sullen cipher]

well can u tell me how to sim for a m+ situation not raid

[fresh igloo]

ok I just put that macro exactly as written on my E key and it works

[sacred lion]

fuck me

[jade pulsar]

think ur control key is broken

works for me as well

[fresh igloo]

or you're accidentally pressing shift with ctrl

[sacred lion]

when i press ctrl, the icon changes to LS

[fresh igloo]

clean your keeb? lol

[sacred lion]

..

[fresh igloo]

if i press shift, or alt, it goes to ?

ctrl shows last stand

ctrl+shift ALSO shows last stand

i'm betting something in your key binds or keeb itself is messed up

[sacred lion]

ok, with alt modifier works

so its probably opie

that has some sort of shortcut allocated to ctrl e

that idk of and that isnt doing anything

[fresh igloo]

unmap it in OPie then

[sacred lion]

yeah

ty guys for the help

[queen tusk]

Hei im new at tanking (wow in general), for AA is better spell block or tough as nails?

[sullen cipher]

spell block is always better i assume since u need more defensive for adds they do spell damg

[warm plinth]

Tough as nails

[sullen cipher]

in high keys

[queen tusk]

its 17

Do skiter attack tank too?

[sullen cipher]

17 tough nails should be fine

[jade pulsar]

they do, but they dont jump tanks

[queen tusk]

Yeah i meant the jump

[jade pulsar]

ok ye no they dont

[queen tusk]

Thats the main source of dmg i guess in the entire dng, and since they dont hit me i guess ill stick with tough as nails

[versed sleet]

ilvl 395 solo'd lava spider rare elite. storm infused stone did some work

[queen tusk]

Btw im 399ilvl and i have trouble tanking all the skitter pack at +17, do you have any tip on how to tank that entire pack?

T_T

[jade pulsar]

do u pull everything around the boss?

[queen tusk]

No

[shrewd grove]

When you say you're having trouble, do you mean you have trouble holding threat or that you are dying?

[queen tusk]

It really gets messy

People die and i also have trouble keeping myself alive

but i kinda manage but it still feels messy not clean at all

[shrewd grove]

Sounds like they are living too long, and getting stacks of Agitation off. Need to either stop the casts or have someone purge the buff/soothe them

Ideally a combo of both

[queen tusk]

I see, so it doesnt depend entirely on me

I know druids have soothe, who else does.. priest?

[marble cipher]

hunter/rogue

evoker

evoker long cd though iirc

[shrewd grove]

No, but there is plenty you can do to help. Shockwave and Int Shout are great for stopping casts

[sacred lion]

evoker has mass soothe

[marble cipher]

also weave in shockwave, stormbolt, int shout

yeah, like ^ he said 😄

[sullen cipher]

chekc dms if possible mate

[queen tusk]

disruptive shout can interrupt those right?

[shrewd grove]

You literally cannot spec into too much CC as a prot warrior

[marble cipher]

intimidating shout

aoe fear

[shrewd grove]

No, they are not interruptable. They are stoppable however

[queen tusk]

yes ok ok gotcha

ye i have specd those

[shrewd grove]

Unfortunately, I'm not your guy on getting sims worked out. Sorry ❤️

[sullen cipher]

anyone can help me with sims ? to tell me how the fuck it works ? xD

[queen tusk]

Well those are plenty of good tips, now i just need the confidence to pull everything

😄

[marble cipher]

challenge yourself, confidence will come

[shrewd grove]

What lvl are you running? There is no shame, especially on Fort weeks, in splitting it into 2 pulls

[queen tusk]

i did 17 slightly over time because of wrong % calculations but this pack was the hardest

in fort ye

and now im about to run 17 again

i will tell you after how it went lol

But still in this pack, people should stay close am i right?

for skitterflies not to jump 20miles away

[shrewd grove]

Yes, ideally your DPS will stack close to the pack

The entire tree section rewards standing near the tank very heavily

That said, don't expect PUGs to know or care about that. Plan on chasing skitters

Because you will be doing that

[queen tusk]

Yeah might be my favorite pack/boss in the entire expansion

Ok guys thanks a lot i will let you know after how it went :DD

Either in 1hr or 10 mins

[young rivet]

is the pin as up to date as it can be for primordial sims?

[undone verge]

as of 2:40 last night/this morning I believe

[hybrid gust]

max stone ilvl is 424?

[undone verge]

yeah

[boreal hamlet]

how do other people deal with the first few packs in sbg the the 1st and 3rd pack seems lethal as a warrior

[astral karma]

the pinned info for AoE Gems is the legit one?

[grizzled kite]

stagger defensive cooldowns, use stuns to interrupt void slash and build threat then try and kite them

[sullen cipher]

defensive on fort weeks + u can back step the frontal from skeletons

just check the cast and back step

[grizzled kite]

very unreliable for me

whats the trick?

[sullen cipher]

jsut grab the weak aura name plate cd's and it shows when they cast the slash thing and when its rdy they start cast and just move like 6 7 yard when they starrted cast

[hallow phoenix]

Race change to zandalari (gonk) and stack speed tertiary stat

[cunning knot]

Any way not to bundle up Primordial stones effects in Details?

With the new update

[grizzled kite]

Nom posted bunch of scripts to auto run for that earlier today afaik

[boreal hamlet]

Thanks for the information guys was helpful

[grizzled kite]

#protection message @cunning knot

or maybe this merges them

[cunning knot]

eli5

idk how or wher eto put this

[boreal hamlet]

Anyone have a link to the enemy cooldown tracker ?

[grizzled kite]

"Auto run code"

[hybrid gust]

why is the ring 443 on raiderIO?

[grizzled kite]

Bug

[hybrid gust]

ah

[slim dove]

i run spellblock in sbg.

on fort weeks it makes skeletons a snooze and on tyr weeks makes first boss alot chiller

[cunning knot]

can outrange it

[slim dove]

tough as nails doesnt have giga value in sbg either with smaller pull sizes

[sullen cipher]

guys quick question im realy strugelling with AV skip run

the fury cast piercing shard

realy hurts

[hybrid gust]

u have to stun it

[sullen cipher]

i do cc them with shock wave and fear

but i dont have anymore stuns xD

[full wind]

stun/fear/disorient and spellreflect/block

[hybrid gust]

ur team need to help u

[turbid shuttle]

you can also just not do skip route, but you'll still have to kill some

[hybrid gust]

u can get the 1st 4 with shockwave, storm bolt, fear, shield charge

[slim dove]

dont do skip route with pugs imo

frogs is still ez enough to time and safe

[sullen cipher]

yea but with out skip route ppl still fail to time

[slim dove]

pull bigger to makeup idk

2nd boss room is ez to go big on

ring with constructs is free

frogs is 2 pulls

[turbid shuttle]

timing is super easy with frogs lmao

[slim dove]

i did a 20 av on boomie and tank did frogs, had tons of time left

and im laffin as i get to starfall 5 billion frogs

[sullen cipher]

i do frogs in 2 pull but in fucking pugs they always fail and die like ...

[slim dove]

cursed

if you die to frogs delete char

[sullen cipher]

i dont ppl do

xD

[sick sentinel]

are people running the new ring in like 23s+?

[cinder storm]

People who can consistently time 23s can do so with or without rings

So don't be surprised if you find logs with people testing them there

[sick sentinel]

i mean yeah

[daring marlin]

ring is interesting

took me like 2 hours to get it to 424 I guess

[cunning knot]

just at the buttom of the script? anything else?

[daring marlin]

scuffed prot pally 20AA

[slim dove]

seems gud

[daring marlin]

been lucking out on keys this week it seems

turned into a 21CoS

[sick sentinel]

i hate grevious

cant stand it

[daring marlin]

ez affix

[sick sentinel]

never did like it never will

[slim dove]

ez affix this week

grievous without tyr is np

[turbid shuttle]

it has 0 affect on you?

even for healers, on fort, it's whatever

[short plover]

what addon allows you to track things like arcing strike or severing slash on enemy nameplates? is it plater?

[cloud umbra]

anyone know why searing glare does damage even after its interrupteD?

it puts 2 eyes on the ground and nukes 2 people regardless of interrupt

[cloud umbra]

weakaura spell cd on nameplates

[short plover]

okay so just a weakaura? cool ty

[violet flume]

and wheres that weakaura? or what do i google to find it lol

i definitely want it for dark claw

[cloud umbra]

https://wago.io/CooldownsOnNameplate/

[violet flume]

thanks man

[cloud umbra]

you can go in there and remove certain ones

some mobs have cds on their nameplate that doesnt really matter

[floral quarry]

yo mates i love my warri tank

for me its the one and only tank

[violet flume]

good choice

i dropped warrior tank for bear tank at the end of cata, awful choice

although bearcatting madness of deathwing was ridiculous

[cinder nova]

Should I bother setting a loot spec for opening vaults?

As in, the gem vaults.

[warm plinth]

No

[cinder nova]

So it's a total crapshoot

[warm plinth]

Yessir

[frozen rose]

wondering if theres enough info at this point...new ringy BIS for doing dps?

[violet sparrow]

For that storm stone crit dmg proc: Any thoughts on running shockwave with sonic boom and rumbling earth + the shield charge with battering ram for m+ with the storm stone dmg proc on crit? Was thinking it might be useful for m+ pugs to have that extra cc from shockwave and curious if the prices wouldn’t cause too much dps loss

Talent choices wouldn’t cause**

Might be nice for fort weeks

[daring marlin]

no on shockwave

not worth

[sick sentinel]

@dense coral ty!! I’ll dig it in later!!

[daring marlin]

Really don't wanna get the dumb ring on my DK and Warrior lol

Trying to make it to rares in caves is giga aids.

[turbid shuttle]

get the 2k dust thing to see rares early

much easier

[daring marlin]

That's a thing?

good looking out

[turbid shuttle]

yes. centaur envoy.

24 hour buff

[daring marlin]

👍

[turbid shuttle]

or like, end of day i dunno

[shut ice]

op ring setup 😄

24 cos

[restive fulcrum]

has anyone experienced the stones pulling mobs that are not in combat? have heard from quite a few ppl saying it is (usually they are running Storming or Humming in tandem with Desirous and Prophetic)

[turbid shuttle]

what is that in dps? I got ~7.5k dps out of the pinned setup in a 20sbg

[shut ice]

its on tank

[turbid shuttle]

ah k

mine was 15%. different dungeon and key level though not so comparable, at least in % terms.

it seems very strong

[uncut thunder]

Yeah storming. It’s known. Unsure if it’s a feature or a bug.

[ornate thunder]

So which setup is worth while for m+, that pest parse above is nuts looking

[amber moth]

Is Freezing Ice replacing Prophetic Twilight?

for M+

[shut ice]

I think Prophetic is bad now i try it

but need more test

[wary pasture]

Anyone know if seal of filial duty has an ICD?

[ornate thunder]

Are stone sims updated on phophetic changes?

[hollow carbon]

what prophetic changes?

[mortal brook]

It doesnt. Just rppm stuff

[shrewd grove]

Proph/Desi/Storm doing 15% of my dmg in 18-20s at 411 ilvl

According to sims that's your best option for aoe. Still does nicely for ST as well tbh

[uncut thunder]

IF you had to pick one Storm or Freezing ice for overall ST and Cleve/ multi whci would you go for? Is the ninjaing rough on Storm? I will likly get both but trying to pick which to start with

[uncut thunder]

Nm Nm just breaking down the rocks i dont use and getting both. Will be nice to have two Rings at full 424 in a week or two so you don't have to fly back and swap out rocks for ST Raid or M+ 🙂 Appreciate all the discussion and Pins 🙂

[ornate thunder]

Yeah it just did 13.2% of mine in SMB

[uncut thunder]

What was changed, cannot detect 🙂

ahh got it

[reef holly]

Can any of you pros look at one of runs and give advice on how to improve? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZmdMDbLnc7paC2Kr/#fight=last&type=summary

[uncut thunder]

Shield block seems low. WHats your overall uptime?

[pallid quiver]

Immovable Object is an interesting talent choice

On average, Unstoppable Force gives you more mileage and generally more damage/general use utility defense. On top of that, it synergizes with Impenetrable Wall instead of Defender's Aegis

After that, your casts are looking a little low. It looks like your prioritizing IP too much, costing you Revenge casts throughout the dungeon

You also only have 19 casts of Demo Shout, while you have 29 casts of Shield Charge

so you're just not even pressing those in the right order on CD, since Demo should always be available anytime Shield Charge is

[reef holly]

According to details, I’m around 92-96%

[uncut thunder]

OK that is good, it was missing in what I was looking at in warcraftlogs

[pallid quiver]

We don't actually care about uptime, we care about Blocked Hits, which is only available in logs

That being said, you're probably dropping for split seconds or getting hit in the back, as your blocked hits are pretty decent at 87%, but you can easily be above 90% with minimal effort when fully playing properly

You're also wasting an uncomfortable amount of rage considering how little rage you're generating

[uncut thunder]

Where do you see blocked hits in the logs?

[pallid quiver]

Damage Taken -> Unit you're checking (so click your name) and go to the "Hits" column for the "Melee" ability

if you over over that with your mouse, it tells you how many were blocked and how many were not

[reef holly]

Thanks for looking it over- yeah for this one I am using my double wall build for the 2nd boss

[pallid quiver]

Don't look at the damage taken bar, as that skews the percentage, since that shows how much damage was taken via blocking/not blocks; make sure you're looking at that hits category

[pallid quiver]

That's actually a self-harming idea, as you get less SWs over the course of the fight with Defender's Aegis

SW is on a roughly 1 min CD when playing very well with Imp Wall, so wager around 1-1.5 mins based on performance

[reef holly]

What’s the order? I usually am just sending spells when I see they are up, unless I’m saving demo shout for a boss ability

[pallid quiver]

It's possible to have it up for every other Searing, iirc, with the spacing

Demo before Shield Charge; Booming Voice makes Demo Shout give you increased damage

So you want to be pressing it on CD as much as possible

[reef holly]

Ah ok got it

[pallid quiver]

Only save it if you just absolutely have to and cannot plan CDs around it

Booming Voice also makes it give 30 rage, so just in terms of how many Shield Charges you got, that's 3 full rage bars you could have pumped into abilities

You want to default to spending rage with Revenge, using Ignore Pain only to avoid overcapping; it sounds like I'm telling you not press it very often, but you end up slamming it a lot, especially when you get the rest of your rage gen abilities rolling

[reef holly]

So double wall is not the play for the searing blows?

[pallid quiver]

Also, more revenges gets your more shield slams, which is more rage to throw around

It's not the play for any dungeon at all atm

The only time it's of possible consideration is Jade 3rd boss because you can try and force it out of that phase via DPS CDs and what not, but on any high level keys that won't particularly work and you'll want the higher uptime on Shield Wall that Imp Wall gives

You also only pressed Spell Block once the entire dungeon; if you're only going to use it literally once, you might as well keep talenting into Tough as Nails. That being said, for RLP, I'd more recommend just pressing it more often

[reef holly]

Yeah good call- I only used it once for the first boss

Thanks for checking it out!

[pallid quiver]

I'm not seeing much else that's of immediate concern, so if you work those out, you'll probably be real good to start rockin'

[reef holly]

[uncut thunder]

Im generally using Spell Reflect on Raz Electrified Jaws but in logs its not really showing as mitigated. Is that normal?

Oh the log reads strange - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/4M7q8VZGAQcRdDF3/self#fight=5,5&source=4,8&type=damage-taken

[tidal ocean]

I'm having trouble picking up aggro on the first pull AA, the trees are so spread, any tips?

[uncut thunder]

IN the tree boss room?

[tidal ocean]

Yesser

[uncut thunder]

I generally charge in and clap and revenge then jump the the next and once they are gathered up shield charge rev and clap again

Then grab another pack with charge and use roar and Rav

[tidal ocean]

So I'm probably trying to do it too fast, not establishing the groups before moving on

[uncut thunder]

Its quick a few casts and move to the next

[tidal ocean]

Gotcha, I'm 2994 trying for 3k, have been the cause of 2 failures today in AA, I'll get it soon

[uncut thunder]

obviously on high fort vs tyran its going to be diff the amount you might pull

Oh bud you doing better them me im at just 2400

[tidal ocean]

Ooo, this is my goal for the season anyway, I'm tunneling cuz I'm so close but it might be easier next week, who knows

[serene yew]

during avatar do you guys get revenge in often on aoe packs?

try to cast thunderclap every other GCD seems like its difficult to get revenges in

[cinder storm]

Yeah, you want to dump rage and reset SS

[hallow phoenix]

Tell dumb dumb dps to wait until things are grouped

[serene yew]

Aoe taunt?

[cinder storm]

No, it's usually one dps going ballistic as soon as they see the tank walking to a mob and popping CDs

[hallow phoenix]

I do one tclap for each pack

If group gets threat on a little guy that's their fault. Exception is heals but my heals tend to stick with me during that pull

[cinder storm]

Usually what I do after I've pulled birds and furthest packs, I throw a ravager behind tree, I stand there for a few secs, and dragon roar once they are close along with regular rotation, whoever rips aggro is on them for not waiting

[hallow phoenix]

Grab left two and if no hunter or rogue for MD then heroic throw last pack and pull to center

[tidal ocean]

Appreciate all the advice

It is done, I hit 3k 😄

[cinder storm]

Big

[sick sentinel]

I let the first skitter fly patrol run past, walk past them and then heroic throw the left pack, taunt the middle pack and then leap into the right pack and the skitterflys should be there. Then i just throw ravager nd shit down and when everything is pretty close aoe taunt

[uncut thunder]

Dang Storm/Desi/Phroph just did 13% of my dam, 10.6 mil in an 18 SBG

[royal rune]

1.3 or 13

[uncut thunder]

opps sorry 13%

Corrected

must be tired. but can confirm it ninja pulls shit pretty far away

[winter pasture]

Fed, did you see the group before 1st boss dot act funny?

[uncut thunder]

Im suprised to see Titanic Throw in the "Imo the best Build for M+" build in the pins

[urban portal]

all preference

[uncut thunder]

I can try it out. WHy do people like it or find it helpful over something like pain and gain?

[urban portal]

its decent aggro

[uncut thunder]

Ok got it.

[uncut thunder]

The pack of void slashers? Trucked me while I was kiting them somehow pulled another pack I think with the storm stone as I was not very close

But how do you mean exactly?

[winter pasture]

in SMB...the pack right before first boss. We wiped 3 times on an 18. dot ticked 3 times and healer was dead. he insta removed and it had ticked twice and he almost died a 4 time.

Never seen it tick that quick i guess. didn't know if there was a bug or something

[round pendant]

ugh can't get any of the gems I want

[mighty valley]

How did it tick multiple times if he insta removed

[uncut thunder]

I mean they did kill me because i didnt kite properly and i ran out of def for the void slashes but not sure if this was the same issue

[median tulip]

I tell the DPS before the run to wait for me to gather; then when we get there I body pull everything while mounted, use Ravager, Windscar Whetstone and Thunderous Roar for AoE threat, and make all the DPS cry as I top the charts

[sick sentinel]

Is there anway to hide action bar 1 with default ui? trying to go barless

[ornate thunder]

Stealth into center and then grab all from there, 10000 times easier

[untold scroll]

Anyone know if they fixed the ninja-pull ring? I just tested on dummies and it doesn't seem to damage randomly 40y targets like yday.. Anyone got info?

[ornate thunder]

Who knows, they've made testing in production their norm at this point.

[boreal zephyr]

Hey Guys. Which is atm the best stone combo?

[warm plinth]

[boreal zephyr]

ahhh ty 🙂

[quick girder]

stupid question, does anyone have a guide on how to merge the stones in details?

i can see the code in the pin just dont know what to do with it

[warm plinth]

1. Open Details! options
2. Click Auto Run Code on the left side
3. Paste the code in the pins at the bottom
4. Click Save

[indigo gulch]

what trinklet is the best for pro war

[untold scroll]

How do I remove nameplates from shades?

[quick girder]

thanks mate! much appreciated

[lean gale]

We now play the new item?

[fallen gorge]

How do you kite heavy hitting packs properly as prot? Are you just faster than the mobs or how do you slow them?

[royal rune]

Good dps increase

[slim elk]

best stone set for the ring?

[lean gale]

i have 421 signet and 415 melandrus atm

[sick sentinel]

LOS abuse or leap to get out of range

you can abuse LOS mechanics at like 5 yards

[fallen gorge]

Ty

[sick sentinel]

do you guys recomend proph + desi + ice or + storm for keyes

as i've heard that because storm can ninja pul

[weary saddle]

freezing ice is better for ST and for MT is so close behind storm that it is simpler just to stick with the former

based on the sims anyway

[sick sentinel]

former?

its 7:42 am sorry

[weary saddle]

stick to freezing ice i mean

[sick sentinel]

and im dumb

ok

[weary saddle]

seems like nobody wants any shield gems?

[floral wadi]

Can anyone rate my logs on a 20 SBG and AA?

We absolutely blasted time I just want to make sure my uptimes on defensives are normal

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QcTYHrbJ38qjRFd1#fight=19&type=summary

[astral crystal]

on a 20 you can pretty much send on CD, not much complexity to it

[shell mortar]

Stones ninja pulling fixed yet?

[chilly flint]

No, just had it happen to me

[shell mortar]

Aite ty

[cloud umbra]

which stones ?

[bitter pecan]

is it possible to make a Macro for shield charge that, when SC is on cooldown it uses regular charge without use of mouseover? I tried but it doesnt work

[still hearth]

Hey guys, so need a little bit of advice. We are 2 prot warriors about to tank brood mythic, it’s doable with just two or take 3 to be safe?

We should be fine I’m sure but wanted to ask anyways

[astral crystal]

ideally you want a bdk on brood

but it should be doable with whatever else

[still hearth]

Aye thought so, nice one 🙂

We have a possible bdk but we will see how it goes just us two as he’s one of our dps lol

[shell mortar]

Non, not possible

[chilly flint]

Were stones buffed again? It feels like they do way more dmg than yesterday for me

[left beacon]

i'm curious about the gleaming iron stone, the 1 that gives absorb shield for standing still for 3 secs and increases auto attack damage

curious what the internal cd is on that shield, i'm assuming its probably 25 secs since thats how long it lasts

[sick sentinel]

30 s

the shiled lasts around 10 seconds

[left beacon]

i see so not really worth it

[sick sentinel]

and the buff lasts for 30 seconds

u don't lose % of the 3 seconds if u move during its charge up

u get an auto attack buff for 30 seconds, i want to say its worth it, but its really not

[fleet parcel]

Is the ruby whelp shell any good for prot guys? I'm currently rolling around with a normal icon and a 382 scale and was wondering if it's worth spendign the valor to upgrade the shell.

[left beacon]

yea maybe not that bad, but not sure if i want to go that route

[sick sentinel]

way im looking at it, is at least this gives me not only a asborb for shining, but dmg buff

as opposed to just an asborb for the same amount roughly (indom)

[left beacon]

for sure

[hallow oyster]

whats the benefit for upgrading Prophetic Twilight Stone, apart from the stamina increase on ring?

[tame jasper]

@strong forum Yesterday you said that the new ring/stones are about 3,2k dps for a prot. Am I playing badly when they are more than 7k and my 3rd most dps skill 😮

[lucid light]

guys how stone needed prot warry for the ring ?

[errant marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[strong forum]

3.2k increase over melandrus ring.

Not 3.2k dps total

[tame jasper]

ah okay, then I misunderstood that

now thinking about putting melandrus off to get the statring with food embellishment back xD

[jade pulsar]

we're tanky enough

[sick sentinel]

do i gotta take out the gems before upgrade, i think so, yup

[harsh light]

if a m+ run doesnt update in game or in raiderio do you just have to do it again? i +2'd a 24 sbg yesterday and its still now showing

apologies this probably isnt the proper place to ask this question

[strong forum]

If you upload the log it should show up

[harsh light]

ok, luckily i had raiderio running yesterday, ill upload it

[left beacon]

anyone try the 2 absorb shield stones and that damaging one when getting an absorb shield?

kinda get that mix bag of survivability and a bit of damage

[sick sentinel]

I am trying it for science

cuz its not like its gunna be hard to get more of those gems

[hallow oyster]

Does anyone know if the Prophetic Twilight Stone, receives any improvement with the level upgrade, apart from increasing the stamina of the ring, as well as reducing the proc or something?

[old sinew]

yes. I've run it for several runs now. its like 4500 dps less than the DPS gem setup. That's a big loss of DPS for a pretty mediocre amount of HPS that has anti-synergy with how Pwars tank. If you're that afraid of dying, just spend more time in d-stance I guess? I dunno. It's just not good at this time

maybe you can run the tanky gems on a rat alt you're just starting to push keys with but I wouldn't play it in higher keys

also the earth gems do damage split, there's no real prio damage so its a lot worse on DPS and the dps is padding

most of the damage it deals is on 5-target trash pulls and it does less damage on bosses which is like, not really ideal at all, we would like more ST damage IMO

maybe we get another round of hotfixes to make the absorb gems better but for now just don't

[sick sentinel]

i have for better or worse decided to run this ring for now

not even end of week and already have 1 ring maxed, not at all concerned about "wasting dormants"

[old sinew]

yeah my bdk has 2 fully maxed rings the "grind" is very easy

[potent gulch]

i'm having fun running healing ring (3 heal stones). Did 5m heal on party members in 21 sbg 😄

[sick sentinel]

i would expect with how easy it is, players will have AT LEAST 3 rings set up at max gems by say, 2 more weeks

even the casual andies will have that by then

paladins for example the combos you can do are basically infinite

[hushed bluff]

hi

anyone know what should i use between these

[old sinew]

top left lower right

[hushed bluff]

and what gem should i put on it

[old sinew]

I believe the urrent thought is ice blood twilight

[hushed bluff]

thx mate

[sick sentinel]

why are we inputting the details overrides

[old sinew]

so it doesn't take so many slots in details

[sick sentinel]

i did it yes, but i do not understand the purpose in the long term

[scenic mural]

Its literally just to group your stone sinto one

[old sinew]

so it doesn't take so many slots in details, its just 1 ring you don't need to know 2-3 damage sources split up

[sick sentinel]

i want to remove it for the healing portion

[scenic mural]

For ST, storm is ahead of ice in aoe, and not far behind ST

[sick sentinel]

so i can check if indom or gleaming is better 2nd place, indoms asborb is rouhly x2 of gleaming

[scenic mural]

The absorb values youre getting are pointless tbh, just like the cobalt ring.

[left beacon]

i have the ice stone, sadly just burned like 50 fragments trying to get a storm with no luck, maybe i just rock the ice stone

[round pendant]

I swear yogi you're the king of bad decisions

Never change

[sick sentinel]

meh, will only cost meh another 3 days and 5k gold max lol

i mean, nobody else is going to test this, i might as well

[tropic gorge]

so many leavers this weekend

oh so many

[minor forge]

People leave at the simplest of whims
Had a dude leave an 18 smbg before first boss cause his thundering wasnt cleared
Like straight up f y'all nubs in the chat
A hunter leave an 18 av before second boss cause he died to trash, mind you it was the only death at the time

[uncut helm]

Had someone leave because they stood in the cone for the first boss of court. We kept going and plus 2 the key, but lmao talk about a salt mine.

[minor forge]

It is hilarious this season, I can.t even get mad anymore

[tropic gorge]

just had 2 groups bail from hov 18 and 19 because nobody cleared on the first big pull, i obv died instantly lol

could have salvaged both easily

well, in theory

[hushed bluff]

what should i use between these

[strong forum]

none

the only pseudo dmg gem in there is echoing

and thats whack to play around

i guess obscure also kinda works

but theyre all pretty whack gems

[hushed bluff]

atleast i have freezing ice stone

[oak echo]

Is there any reason to play any of the defensive gems for doing like 23s to make up for lost stats?

[strong forum]

no

defensively the ring is just not good

offensively its good for 99% of playerbase

with the right gems

[hushed bluff]

anyone have jewlcrafter for unstable ele

[oak echo]

Cool ty

[strong forum]

trade chat

[sick sentinel]

yep 500 g works

[deep spruce]

Trade chat is literally filled with them, and they craft it for any price because there are so many. I paid 1500g for each cos I'm a nice guy

[versed sleet]

How significant is tier set for us? I'm new and have full 395 primal storm gear, but would it be better to try to get tier set that's slightly lower ilvl?

[uneven mason]

Can't you convert the 395 to tier?

Using the catalyst

[versed sleet]

Can you? I thought primal storm gear couldn't be converted

[uneven mason]

It's not super crucial to have anyway but is a nice icing on the cake

[slim dove]

waste of catalyst

[uneven mason]

Idk I had 400+ tier from vault starting week 1

So I guess the advice would be don't sweat it for now and go slam keys

[versed sleet]

I guess I'll just focus on getting keys done and see what I get first

Thanks

[sand drum]

dumb Q and probly not first one but how do I merge the stones in details ? :>

@strong forum

[fiery pendant]

Mine did that automatically

[latent crane]

Question about gems - stam + mastery is what askmrrobot says. Vers is what I have read about and icyveins puts haste, crit and vers above mastery. How do I decide?

[sand drum]

found it some posts up :>

[oak echo]

Askmrrobot has been worthless since bfa. Go haste + vers or Crit

Maybe even before bfa

[latent crane]

@oak echo Thanks much

[scenic mural]

if u gemmed stam ud prolly get booted from groups lmao

[solemn current]

I booted the last guy I saw gemming stam so yea

[frigid socket]

What that guy said.

Yo.

So question, I see a good bit of people using the Frozen enchant on their primary, would the haste enchant not = more opportunities at shield slam which would be a lot more then the 15k dps that the Frozen puts out?

[sick sentinel]

failed my sbg 16 the other day cuz healer let the hunter stay at 4 stacks greivious so he died

im watching the record, and hunters always at 3/4 stacks final boss

[ashen saddle]

i see no one take the aoe kick shout, 'im the only one who think its really busted ?

[sick sentinel]

it's parsing vs beaing the content

and since it parses low it's "garbage"

[frigid socket]

I rock the Disrupting Shout, depending on the Dungeon.

[ashen saddle]

i always have it, i cant play without in m+ now

[slim dove]

its a cover for bad groups, you shouldnt need it anywhere

[sick sentinel]

what are you droping to take it though then

[frigid socket]

A good put together group shouldn't "Require" it.

[ashen saddle]

u gonna hate me but i dont play with shield bash ? the new charge

but my build is weird

[frigid socket]

Give this guy the boot.

[slim dove]

you mean bad

[ashen saddle]

i do a lot of pug

[frigid socket]

Take your shield off, go to the Dps Section.

[icy bane]

Shield charge is amazing buddy, just play it

[ashen saddle]

so i take a lot of "my group suck' button

i know it is

[sick sentinel]

i think he might be used the old from a month ago asmongold build >.< the one with shockwave crap and ravager crap and BT

[icy bane]

No amount of talents gonna unsuck your group, just mark kick targets and tell them what to prio damage on or prio kick on

[ashen saddle]

asmon who ?

telling pugs to kick 😂

[icy bane]

Most pugs just need guidance lol

[sick sentinel]

some guy with no hair and a bunch of mounts

[frigid socket]

Catax, what realm are you on?

[ashen saddle]

why does it matter ?

[frigid socket]

Wanted to look at your Raider.iO

[ashen saddle]

oh

'im a bad player

tbf

hyjal

and warrior is Roork

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/hyjal/Roork

got him

[ashen saddle]

its an alt m+

[sick sentinel]

i went casual again

[ashen saddle]

talent are worng

on raider io weirdly

[hallow oyster]

Does anyone know if the Prophetic Twilight Stone, receives any improvement with the level upgrade, apart from increasing the stamina of the ring, as well as reducing the proc or something?

[slim dove]

its probably safe to assume it increases ppm, but i dont think anyone cared enough to test

[torn gulch]

I see all of you play ultraoffensive on rings while I take the piss and play ultra deffensive on one of my builds even if it is the worst build possible

[frigid socket]

Once you pass the survivability threshold, Go all dmg.

[torn gulch]

That s why I said one of my builds

I have 2 fully upgraded rings

One with max damage and one that I mess on with with an absorb build

[icy bane]

I hope they buff the obsidian one, like the aspect of obsidian, frost shield on brew

[torn gulch]

The absorb build does 8% of my damage and around 20% of my healing

[slim dove]

absorb is a meme

its triggered before IP shield

same as cobalt ring

looks good on meters

[torn gulch]

That is why I like it

[slim dove]

actually garbage

[torn gulch]

One man garbage is another man treasure

Kekeke

Of course the damage build is the optimal one

It always was

I m looking forward to play with the brackenhide trinket next season

[sick sentinel]

okay im gunna go test the all defense ring on low key

[torn gulch]

Which stone was the one ninjapulling?

[slim dove]

all been fixed.

was blood apparently

[sick sentinel]

anything that can hit more tha n1

[strong forum]

that one will be turbo broken if they dont nerf it

[sick sentinel]

storming is one that does

[torn gulch]

Almost 400k absorb shield at 421

[sick sentinel]

i have no idea the rest

[torn gulch]

Kekeke

[strong forum]

waaaaaaay more

effectively itll be like 800k

on monk itll be 1.3mil

[torn gulch]

I am talking about the shield alone but yes

[strong forum]

its already 300k at 382

[torn gulch]

It will be nerfed

Hopefully not to the ground

[uncut thunder]

Blood not storm? and no more ninja pulls?

[slim dove]

according to rdruid discord, yes.

and i trust niko/torty so 🤷

[torn gulch]

Was the hotfix today?

[uncut thunder]

ok well that is surprising but but good to hear if it is fixed i can switch back to Storm in M+

[slim dove]

recently, idk when exactly

ive had 0 ninja pulls today on druid

compared to 1 every other dungeon yesterday

[torn gulch]

Because I still had ninjapulls yesterday

Right that is good

[cerulean tusk]

There won't be any ninja pulls if you yourself pull

[torn gulch]

I love waking up with extra trash on me

It s the best

I had a bl pull at the start of ruby transform into nightmare because of it so many ice bolts and ice shields

[cerulean tusk]

Didn't bring a purger? Rookie mistake

[torn gulch]

Welcome to pugs

[tidal bronze]

Hi guys, any good route for AA this week ?

[sick sentinel]

this is maximum defensives ring the absorbs one

healing portion

[night tusk]

has our Bis ring for M+ been stated yet?

[eager geode]

So what stones we play as protection ?

[fresh igloo]

check pins

[sick sentinel]

i had the wrong thing in picture, shing + frost + gleaming

[shrewd grove]

Confirming I have run 10 M+ today, no ninja pulls

[cerulean tusk]

I just want to go max shields with shield explosions. Why? Just sounds like silly fun

[dapper vapor]

Hm, 3k DPS is quite a lot less than we're getting out of the damage combos

I really like the idea of exploding shields in concept but it probably isn't worth it for 3k hps - it feels like these days in M+ we're the least likely person to die in any given scenario

[wraith niche]

Is TJS third boss still bugged? I heard something a few days ago that you couldn't kill her

[fresh igloo]

they hotfixed that

[wraith niche]

Perfect, thanks!

[fresh igloo]

that part was fine.

the rest was kind of a mess though lol

if mari casts water bneam and stops moving

keep moving

[cerulean tusk]

Oh ye, that bug is new and quite annoying.

[wraith niche]

[cerulean tusk]

The beam is going around you just can't see it. Note what way the beam goes initially, cause even if he starts spinning the other way visually - he is still going the old way around and it will kill you.

[fresh igloo]

yeah

[cerulean tusk]

Nightmare fuel

Do I run through the beam or away? Will beam be my salvation or end?

[uncut thunder]

Nice. Thanks.

[sick sentinel]

oh yah i got a nother spark

i dunno wtf i want to use it on...... but i got it

i have both belts, normal boots, shield weapon companion bracers, and lariat made

[kindred snow]

New to Warrior and figuring thing out: is there no way to macro Shield Charge and Shield Slam in like a cast sequence...never seems to work for me...more of a macro

[fresh igloo]

i'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish by macroing those together

i wouldn't do that

[shrewd grove]

Why would you need to? What are you trying to accomplish?

[fresh igloo]

macroing shield slam in to shield block or IP could be reasonable

since they both spend rage and are off the GCD

while shield slam generates rage and is on the GCD

[kindred snow]

one less button...I am a bit overwhelmed with all the buttons...and it seemed like you would use shield charge on cool down and also Shield slam on cooldown

[fresh igloo]

you use shield charge on CD but it's a completely different CD from shield slam which resets constantly

they aren't related in any way that I would consider macroing them together to make sense

[shrewd grove]

I would highly recommend that not being the thing you macro together

[kindred snow]

gotcha...thank you for the help!

[fresh igloo]

i can give you an example of what my buttons look like if it helps

[kindred snow]

oh it woould for sure lol

[shrewd grove]

Make an Ignore Pain macro that has Shield Slam after the IP. Use it if you're going to overcap on rage with the next shield slam.

Shield Block can be macrod to Shield slam as well

That way you don't miss Shield slam procs

[fresh igloo]

shield slam as much as you possibly can should be your goal, yeah

[shrewd grove]

^

[fresh igloo]

so you can see like my top row where it has SB and IP, those both are casting shield slam as well

[kindred snow]

ok that makes sense to me

[fresh igloo]

I have demo and avatar on the same button just because you slam both on CD (but keep in mind the CD probably isn't staying lined up)

if demo and shield charge weren't both on the GCD THAT would be a good macro combo

but alas

[slim dove]

i wouldnt get into the habit of slamming demo off CD

there are a few bosses where holding it is important.

[kindred snow]

I am, ok with never being perfect with all the buttons (have some hand isssues that will prevent that anyway regardless)

[sick sentinel]

the main 2 crafts i could and want to do are idol of the dreamer for haste, and engineer bracers for battle rez

[shrewd grove]

I mean, unless you need to hold it for something bc you're out of defensives, I don't think it's really worth holding for more than 10s or so

[kindred snow]

but by the same token, dont want to just be bad 🙂

[shrewd grove]

Otherwise you have a ton of defensive CDs you can use instead

[slim dove]

hyrja, 3rd tjs, 2nd rlp, big bird

yes you generally use it off CD, my point being is that there are bosses where you will need it

[shrewd grove]

Hyrja you have enough to cycle CDs without Demo if you go spell block.

I get what you're saying but I'm the opposite. I'd get in the habit of smashing it on CD, as you normally will want to do that. But know when you'll need to save it

[slim dove]

pull sizes in hOV are generally huge and dropping tough as nails for 1 boss is yikes

just hold demo for shield of light.

[fresh igloo]

i think, for a new player, the tendency will be to not use it enough, so getting in the habit of using it is good.

[slim dove]

a new player shouldn't develop bad habits.

[shrewd grove]

Not using your CDs is a bad habit

[slim dove]

christ

nevermind

[gray tulip]

in p2 on diurna can a war solo the Stoneslam Detonation?

[sick sentinel]

this is my 8 or 9th spark, is why im looking at a weird item, wowhead comments are not promising, its an infiniite duration buff, and when it goes off the number of gems it mentions you have equipped, thats how many stacks you get, then you wait, and it goes off and you get more, at 18 they drop and you get 225 of each secondary.

[noble jetty]

The acrance stone isnt good anymore right?

arcane

[topaz mauve]

check the pins

[lime urchin]

Excuse me, it’s panne(n)koeken and not pannekoeken!

[feral stirrup]

+1

[topaz mauve]

lol

[sick sentinel]

that cold frost stone gem is really putting in the work

[fair onyx]

for pure survivability is haste better than vers?

[undone verge]

yes

[heavy temple]

I dont understand the design behind prim stones. They actively remove stats, which usually make your char play smoother, for rnd procs you dont notice until you check details/logs. Especially, looking at the tuning. Did you guys sim vs high ilvl rings. I need roughly a 550 Arcane loop with socket to reach similar dps as my current prim stone ring, wtf 😄

I really hope something changes, because I dont like the prospect of not having a 2nd ring with stats during most of s2 gear progression, and play with a 10% haste pwarr

[old sinew]

I mean I guess one upside is that you're less likely to experience stat DR while using this ring? I do agree though, I wish this ring had more playstyle enhancing stuff rather than just flat procs.

on the flipside if this ring had like, CDR or something like that people would mald when they had to give up the ring

[urban portal]

thats a huge upside yeah

most dps specs are close to soft capping these days on their main stat

[urban portal]

tbf the only stat that makes your char feel smoother to play is haste

you dont feel vers and mastery

[heavy temple]

Yes

If you have a bunch of gear to swap around, this is true. But especially when progressing gear, you dont have this luxury

And rings are excellent to fix your stats somewhat. just bcs you can trade them so easily in m+

I just never understood, why blizzard likes random procs so much

[serene yew]

Easier for them to deal with lol

If they start modifying our skills/spells it would be worse than it is now

[heavy temple]

Yeah, but what is the point then

[serene yew]

They have to put something out

There needs to be something for people to work on or be excited for I guess

Otherwise people will complain the patch is trash and content less lol

I think the ring was a good idea and it ties into the story fine, they just did an awful job balancing it out

[scenic mural]

If not having haste in your ring makes you a “10% haste warrior” your defenitely lacking elsewhere

[slim elk]

what's the best set of stones for the annulet?

[stoic reef]

check pins

[noble jetty]

look at pinned message

[slim elk]

thanks!

[echo egret]

When doing the frog skip in AV, you need to pull the whole 1st corridor, how do you NOT pull the two shriekers (and their mobs) together ?

[stable valve]

You mean the rock guys with the plants?

You pull the plants first

[echo egret]

When I pull one of the shriekers, it pulls the second one and the whole corridor

[stable valve]

Heroic through the far plants (without a shrieker right on top of them when you do. Idk if that matters but always works when I do) then los around the corner

They’ll come w/o pulling the shriekers/rock guys

[echo egret]

Yes but I would like to pull the shirekers

Just one by one

[velvet current]

I thought frogs were efficient, no?

[strong forum]

They are

[warm plinth]

Frog skip big dumb

[cloud umbra]

I still do it and it times just fine haha

[sand hound]

what fire damage can i do to use filial duty

[shrewd grove]

Frostfire belt

[sullen valve]

Do trinkets play into brutal vitality? I assume no

[sand hound]

is that the only one?

[sullen valve]

Well... non player based damaged sources i should ask (ie damage not from the players direct kit)

[warm plinth]

Frostfire belt is by far the most consistent proc method for the rings

[sand hound]

okty

[warm plinth]

No, they don't

[modest solar]

why does my shieldslam sometimes deal like 100k damage?

[fossil cloud]

According to your experience these days with the stones of the ring, which are the best combinations for defense and which are for dps

[foggy ruin]

this is why

[chilly flint]

I have shit gear and 20% of my dps comes from stones. Im happy lol

[fossil cloud]

What combination are you using?

[chilly flint]

The multi target one from pins

[sullen valve]

Do external damage amps/reductions factor in?

[warm plinth]

meaning like, the souls teal on 2nd boss of SBG?

[sullen valve]

iirc Correct

[warm plinth]

I would say so but I do not know for sure. It should since it's still damage coming from you

[sullen valve]

So no

It doesn't

I'll just assume it works like all healers damage -> healing

Where is @ionic fern when you need him
All that man does is slack off

[modest solar]

Which family is the blood stone?

[warm plinth]

necromantic

[humble fiber]

is the onyx annulet worth getting if im just going to be doing m+?

[shrewd grove]

Yes

Details from a +18 HoV

[modest solar]

thanks

[reef holly]

Forgot to log this- but for ilevel 416 in an 18 AA, what range overall dps should a gigachad prot warrior have?

[slim dove]

70-80

will depend a bit on your dps

of the party

[reef holly]

Ok- I’m assuming battle stance 100%?

[sick sentinel]

most of the time

u use it for a big lump sum dmg

[modest solar]

am i not supposed to have defensive stance?

[sick sentinel]

hyraj balst

that kind of thing

[mighty valley]

Just turn it on for big damage moments then switch back to battle stance

[sick sentinel]

u can also use it to reduce dots, but u can also dmg reduce those by play well

[reef holly]

Details has me 64k, but was in def stance for 4 and a half minutes, in total, throughout

[sick sentinel]

you are shooting your self in the foot if you turn in it on all the time

[modest solar]

im doing 17 at 400 ilvl so all damage reduction is pretty hot

[sick sentinel]

you may not believe me, but others will say it too, including yellow names and blue

[reef holly]

I HAD to use def stance in this AA, as I was getting chunked- not getting heals. Look at healing meter, I beat the healer by 7.5k

[sick sentinel]

consider it this way, you are basically a dps with alot of hp, so your contribution to how fast the dungeon goes is reduced to 90% effectiveness

look, if you want my honest opinion, like, even from a RP casual andy, i would still only using it as "phase 3 survival on that 1 scary boss"

[modest solar]

ill give it a try then at least

[sick sentinel]

you got nothing to lose, however if you like staying in defensive, and you are doing the content you want succesfully, go for it, nothing wrong in that scenario

[brave thorn]

Is there a list of the stones that we want? Would it be worth to put a fire damage stone on for brood keeper ring proc if I already have the waist?

[sullen gust]

There's a pin, if you have any content in mind it'll be there hombre

[brave thorn]

Ah OK sweet as sorry haven't really been on this disco long

[gray warren]

Damn I know this ring is really good but losing 4% haste and 2% crit hurts

[sullen gust]

Smarter people than me have worked out what's good haha

[nimble scarab]

If I won’t get storming until next week is flame licked worth buffing over using freezing for m+

[reef holly]

How does one input the script to combine stone damage in details?

[warm plinth]

#protection message

[reef holly]

got it thank you sir

[undone verge]

If im doing adds on mythic brood, would you guys run the freezing ice stone or the storm infused stone?

[distant crystal]

storm

[errant oriole]

what would you guys rate prot warriors season 2 tier set bonuses?

[grizzled kite]

Interesting

[solid granite]

+15% SS damage looks cute - boring but cute

[errant oriole]

😛

[wispy canopy]

+30 when in LS

[solid granite]

Yeah, but that's just so Blizzard can shoehorn in 'us' using LS more, or it having a use other than LS being dog

[hallow phoenix]

I miss when LS was giga rage

[sick sentinel]

one plus side of the new island is this vendor in val draken

all the rares drop 1 k of that stuff per, so it would be very easy to get a bunch of mog off them

[solid granite]

The entirety of the new T-set feels like a 'shoehorn in unused skills'-Set

[warm plinth]

That vendor has always been there though 👀

[solid granite]

ye, but the currency was a pain in the bum to far

farm*

[sick sentinel]

what im getting at is you could get giga free transmog from them after just an hour or 2 work

[coarse flower]

i think the new details update does that for you

[sick sentinel]

minutes even

im already back up to nearly 7 k

[cloud umbra]

RIP resto druid passed my warrior// no longer tank main xD

[sick sentinel]

im still here 🙂

hard to get rid of me

[cloud umbra]

haha

druid is way easier to pug casually with insetad of tanking

[scenic mural]

healer is the least played class rn, pretty much all healers get invited at this point lmao

[leaden creek]

hated healing resto druid switched to prot warrior 😄

they really do

[twin comet]

For m+ we should be going aoe ring?

[cloud umbra]

uh it takes me a while to get invited to 23-24s as resto... everyone wants a damn evoker

[scenic mural]

most prevokers ive had lately have been garbage. wheelchair spec

[cloud umbra]

now that BM is busted they can get lust from DPS at least

[scenic mural]

thye always had lust from shamans

[cloud umbra]

ya i feel like a lack of shaman dps for some reason

maybe its me

[sick sentinel]

invite is basically nothing as tank

so that enough for me

[old sinew]

I wouldn't recommend using them for defense on a pwar. I actually do like them on bear but I can't mentally justify them on pwar. Anywho, for defense gems, cold frost shining obsidian indom earth IMO. indom earth > gleaming iron imo

[sick sentinel]

shining + frost + gleaming on a 16 hov on time

revenge dmg way too low

[twin comet]

That looks broken

[sick sentinel]

it should be alot less like 4%

[old sinew]

the defense gem combo has capped out in my best run at 3900 dps (I guess I was consistently getting 5 target or critting a lot?). Usually its DPS in a run is closer to 3200-3400. We're talking a 4500+ DPS loss to run the defense gems, for around 4500-5000 HPS. Not a great trade in most keys.

[deep spruce]

why that combination and not the recommended?

[sick sentinel]

max melee crit of 25,460 in that dungeon, probably odny i guess

[old sinew]

I don't know why he's obssessed with gleaming iron tbh

[sick sentinel]

wanted to see and that shit is easy to get anyways

[old sinew]

I mean specifically why you are obsessed with gleaming iron instead of running indom earth if you want to run defensive gems

[sick sentinel]

it provides a dmg buff also

shining only cares that you "activate an asborb through gems"

so, unless indom has a higher ppm....

[old sinew]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=204006/indomitable-earth-stone this is an absorb activated through gems

[sick sentinel]

its about double the bubble size too, few seconds longer than gleaming

[green apex]

i was thinking of dropping the frostfire belt and doing a fire ring combo with the gems

[violet flume]

so annulet is bis now huh, idk what to craft now with my latest concentrated primal

Any recommendations? https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/mugthol/drayenn

Thinking i should maybe hold until i get a new shield or another concentrated primal and craft frostfire belt..

otheriwse i guess chest and make gloves tier

[twin comet]

Should we stick with this then?

[old sinew]

indom ppm is 2.5 while you're being attacked. during spiteful week the actual in-combat ppm is lower because you're often stuck in combat and not being attacked, but that's realistically a statistical anomaly moreso than knock on its performance. higher proc rate than gleaming means more shining obsidian damage procs, and the absorb amount is just WAY more than gleaming. auto-attack damage from gleaming is pretty minor all things considered

[queen quiver]

I tried the double absorb gem + absorb damage in a 24 SBG and it seems pretty good

6% damage + a shit load of healing

[old sinew]

what was your DPS like 53-54k?

like, 6% of what

[queen quiver]

ye 54k dps

[old sinew]

so it was doing the amount of damage you expect, about 3200-3400 dps

which is fine

but that's way less than the DPS gems

[queen quiver]

ye but DPS gems dont give that much healing

so if your concern is living in high keys, i would say its pretty good no?

[old sinew]

I mean yeah. but I just don't think in SMBG we care about having 4500-5000 HPS lol. you don't really die in that key

most keys you don't die fi you play well

maybe RLP you play it, maybe TJS

I actually found the defense gem setup to be clutch against melidrussa no cap, but I wouldn't play it in most keys

[queen quiver]

ye i mean i just tried it out in an SBG pugs i wanted to pug a key and see what it does

but ye i think if you are pushing keys and are scared of staying alive its definitely worth considering that setup

[atomic sky]

whats the defense rock setup?

[queen quiver]

im gunna try it out in 25-26's with my group tomorrow and see how it feels/performs

[violet flume]

so defensive stones dps is 3200-3400, what is it for dps stones?

[undone verge]

5-7k I think

[violet flume]

good chunk more then

[undone verge]

I think for keys its like 15-17%

[violet flume]

i always like hybrid options over full dps but if its 4k more idk

[shrewd grove]

I think the big thing about the absorb set ups is that there is rarely a situation where the Prot Warrior tanking the key is bricking it due to their survivability. It feels like you're solving a problem that doesn't really exist. There are definitely bosses that really hurt, but an extra 5k HPS isn't going to be the difference between you living or dying. Whereas an extra 15-18% dps coming from your tank can, and will, make the difference between timing a key or not

[undone verge]

thats just the same argument for bstance over dstance, there really isnt a situation where you need Dstance if you play perfectly

[violet flume]

i think i agree with you yeah, although in the pug world you never know how much you can rely on your healer haha

most stuff that kills me in m+ is like bs oneshot stuff like not handling darkclaw on last jade temple pull properly

[shrewd grove]

I mean, the stance argument is that it's better to learn to use dstance as a defensive CD than to stay in it the whole key. I don't think I've ever heard someone say don't use it at all

[violet flume]

so defensive stones wouldnt help

[neon belfry]

Does anyone have a quick and dirty WA that simply plays a sound when ignore pain (and shield block) fade?

[undone verge]

well learning is a whole different argument, im just saying in a general sense

[undone verge]

don't worry about when IP fades, its a passive buff

only buff you need to worry about keeping up is SB

[neon belfry]

Ok; same question but just SB then

[fresh igloo]

your job as a tank is to survive, hold threat, and deal damage (in that order). Our class kit already is sufficient for the first part, so most of gearing is focused on the second two things.

[violet flume]

only argument id see in favor or defensive stones is if theyre so good that you literally dont worry about surviving content or it lets your healer do even more dps than dps stones would give you

[violet flume]

Run heavy repercussions and have 100% shieldblock uptime

no need to track

[fresh igloo]

any tracker aura with an action added on hide to make a noise should do it.

in here

[shrewd grove]

I think the issue there is that the tank is often pretty self sufficient already. Healers keep the DPS alive first and foremost. The amount of times I've finished the last 10% of a boss solo on my Warrior/DK/Pally tank, with absolutely no heals is pretty high. The tanks damage intake is not the limiting factor for healers to DPS given how much dmg DPS take throughout a fight. Obviously, bosses like Crawth and RLP 2nd boss notwithstanding.

[violet flume]

yeah thats true, i remember healer dying 30sec into hymdall +19 tyrannical.. and i just handled myself lmao

[shrewd grove]

Lmfao. The amount of SBG final bosses I've solod on my BDK has become a meme in my group.

Did it one time and the rdruid just typed "I think I heal BDKs too much..."

[violet flume]

hahaha

BDK is prob real hard to predict how much you hve to heal them

i find it funny when the healer dies and we kill a boss without any deaths even though we spend 1-2mins on the boss after the healer dies

makes you realize some bossfights have no damage going out

[shrewd grove]

Tbh BDK is in its own world. On my disc priest they get whatever residual heals they luck into, and I pain suppress them regularly. That's about it. Healing BDK is really just watching their rune power and giving them externals. No direct healing needed

Can't remember the last time I saw a BDK die without it being a stun lock or them just getting globaled

[charred rose]

Hello, could you tell me it would be the best option for damage gems with the new ring. I'm reading all the discord since I'm new, I'm learning a lot just by reading them. I'm barely 18-19 on the stones

[neon belfry]

ty!

[fresh igloo]

check pinned messages here

[charred rose]

ohh nice

ty ty

[velvet lichen]

would advise you to make the sound happen 2-3 seconds before its gone, since its too late when its already faded.

[charred rose]

[neon belfry]

Yeah. On fade wouldn't work then right?

[velvet lichen]

no, could die in a global if its gone

depending on key ofc

[neon belfry]

yeah

[velvet lichen]

you need a weakaura for that?

i can make you one quickly if you want

[neon belfry]

i threw one together that loads a completly transparent icon @ 3 seconds remaining and plays a sound, I think im good

[undone verge]

having to kick static jolt on mythic brood sucks lmao

[velvet lichen]

ok

[neon belfry]

Thanks though! Triggering on load or hide makes sense

[reef holly]

Hey all- is the gleaming incarnate thunderstone an item?

ah nvm- looks like it was sent to my mailbox for some reason

[mossy tulip]

Storm Infused Stone + Desirous Blood Stone + Prophetic Twilight Stone for M+ and Desirous Blood Stone + Prophetic Twilight Stone + Freezing Ice Stone for ST, thats it?

[shrewd grove]

Thats it

[rigid rune]

storm, desir, proph dmg is insane, in m+ its often 5 mil dmg overall for me

[reef holly]

yeah the ring is indeed insane

[alpine quiver]

Is it just the new ring we use? lariat beats amulet?

[shrewd grove]

What amulet

[thin glade]

Onyx amulet is a ring

[shrewd grove]

It's annulet

[alpine quiver]

Oh I thought there was a neck too, ignore me.

[royal rune]

i did 55k overall in nok 21

is that half decent/

i'm pretty proud

[thin glade]

Nok gives tons of reflect dmg and has big pulls

[sullen valve]

Does brutal vitaility on work on effective damage or all damage?
IE do absorbed hits actually work?

[violet flume]

55k overall sounds really good.. i never get that high, idk if im missing something

just did +20 and did 42k, maybe i just needed to do bigger pulls

when you guys use avatar do you just do revenge + thunderclap spam when theres 3mob+?

or shieldslam for more rage gen and lower avatar CD

[dusky canopy]

yo boys did they change the details string for some reason mine are not combining.. worked great last couple days

[frigid sentinel]

I just got a Ruby Whelp Shell to replace my LFR Rumbling... how should I train it?

[sand drum]

depends what content you do imo @frigid sentinel

[frigid sentinel]

mainly Mythic+

sounds like I should train it for single target? or is AOE or haste better if I'm just playing M+?

[lunar shoal]

do we ever play new rign with the earth shield?

[mighty valley]

ST I think

[sand drum]

depends how muc hhaste you have

[frigid sentinel]

around 4100

[slim dove]

tank stones trash dont use them.

[shell mortar]

ST pretty much always

[urban portal]

just play stats

[frigid sentinel]

I just looted a heroic Decoration from the weekly quest so I might not even end up fully training this Whelp

my third trinket is a 398 Sands of Temporal Perfection though, which requires me to stand in a pool to get a haste buff, so maybe even an untrained Whelp beats out that garbage

[shell mortar]

Sim wise most DPS in all scenarios is ST trained whelp, at least for my close to bis guy

[undone verge]

brood dies tmr -_-

[urban portal]

well yes, ST whelp is the best in ST

but stats provide good damage and surival

[uncut thunder]

For some reason the Details code for -- Combine Primordial Stone stoped working

huh

What should the event drop down be set to "On Initialization" ?

[shell mortar]

No, I said all scenarios

[urban portal]

its not the best in all scenarios

[warm plinth]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO @raven ore

[shell mortar]

If you know better then why ask? I'm telling you what my sims show comparing st/aoe/haste/crit trained ruby whelp shell on 1/3/5 targets 3 min

Or rather showed. I finally got a better trinket myself

[urban portal]

I didn’t ask

Someone else did

[shell mortar]

My b

[urban portal]

And keys isn’t just about damage when stats give you survival

Haste gives more shield walls and more avatars

[shell mortar]

If the difference in Sims is very tiny between haste and ST whelp, then sure, take haste, it's the same reason people go sophic devotion instead of frozen. If not, go ST whelp

[urban portal]

Sure why not

[shell mortar]

More damage is more damage and warriors don't realistically struggle surviving

[urban portal]

St vs haste should be your only choice

[shell mortar]

As well as a pure damage proc/on use effect will generally be better for the average player as they, well, play worse and you can't fuck up a damage proc

[strange atlas]

Hey! Can anyone tell me what stones to use in the new ring for prot if at all?

[warm plinth]

[weary saddle]

freezing ice. desirous blood. prophetic twlight.

[strange atlas]

Ty

[deep spruce]

They added the option themselves, you must've updated your details.

[dawn lynx]

Have anyone tried to sim/replaced the Onyx Annulet instead of Singed of Melandrus(The bonus AA ring)?
I'm curioius, if it is worth replacing.
Order words: is OA 424 with good stones better than 415 Melandrus ring?

[strong forum]

literally every single sim was done against melandrus ring

to answer your question, if youre not a top 1% parsing pwar, the OA ring is likely an upgrade in m+ for you

for ST, freezing + desirous + prophetic is good for everyone

[north dew]

what do you guys suggest for m+ ? prot warrior

[strong forum]

storm + combo is the biggest dps combo, but storm can ninjapull

[north dew]

is that ST or MT?

[strong forum]

if you dont run storm, there is no other combination of gems that outperforms melandrus if youre top 1% parser

[strong forum]

mt, but its also a dps gain ST over melandrus

[proud patrol]

I saw the top warriors running cold frost + indomitable earth stone + shining obisidian stone, probably overkill for most m+ levels besides theirs i guess?

[strong forum]

dogshit combo

even on their level

[north dew]

alright thank you nomeratur

[strong forum]

anybody using defensive gems is trolling themselves

[rotund thicket]

wdym with "1% parser" ? you mean wcl 99% parses or 3k+ io players?

[strong forum]

99% parses

3k io players arent top 1% parser if they cant do more than 50k dps

(and alot of them cant do that)