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old sinew
crystal mauve
If you are a causal you are not sweating about rushing it in the first week of it being available I htink
uneven mason
If the bug is any indication the rings ilvl will go to 443 next patch
old sinew
I dunno about that ion said if you never replace it in 10.1 with mythic rings they’ll nerf it at some point
I dunno I would hate it if it was a serious grind but borrowed power you get “for free” in a couple hours is fine. It’s only really bad when it forces us to grind for weeks
Tier sets are borrowed power but we love them because they come from content we actually like to play
toxic palm
Was the ring interaction hotfixed? Sadge
old sinew
Was the ring interaction hotfixed? Sadge
🤔
uneven mason
Tier is something that has always been there and they augment the base class, maybe changing a talent selection. The bp that gets layered is the bad stuff
Like tier ok, but now we're adding rings, this is no longer core gameplay this, creates complexity of balance.
I get that this is dooming a bit, but I never want to see bp system like we had in legion bfa and sl
amber siren
The interaction hasn't changed, some numbers were swapped around
old sinew
That’s mostly a cop-out. The truth is that people don’t hate borrowed power they just think they do because it’s always been associated with grinds they hate. People don’t mald about trinkets even though those are borrowed power. Or weapons with cute but not imba procs. In fact, gavel was borrowed power and people hated gavel existing because it was too strong and forced them to grind jsiler kills. So it really has nothing to do with being open world or for all classes and the truth is people want to play what they want to play and get cool stuff and never feel like the way they play the game is wrong.
Ppl mald about borrowed power for the same reason Raid-loggers whine about M+ gear. It’s the same thing
Ppl want their way of playing to feel optimal
strong forum
the issue with strong borrowed power is, is that alot of your dmg output doesnt come from you playing well, it happens because you have OP gear
and then losing said OP borrowed power and feeling substantially weaker
uneven mason
I hated gavel because it was just another layer that distracted from core gameplay. Same with covenants soul binds artifacts etc. Not each system by itself but each layer was just further down the rabbit hole of ignoring core issues and balancing around bp systems
old sinew
the issue with strong borrowed power is, is that alot of your dmg output doesnt ...
So you agree whetstone is borrowed power? Or your tier set is borrowed power?
strong forum
whetstone isnt overpowered enough, neither is tier
uneven mason
So you agree whetstone is borrowed power? Or your tier set is borrowed power?
A warrior who doesn't have tier or a whetstone is still strong
strong forum
in fact, when you have all icon buffs in your group, icon is even better than whetstone
and trinkets are designated cool shit items
old sinew
What is considered overpowered? Whetstone is certainly superior to other M+ trinkets. How strong does a trinket have to be before it magically becomes borrowed power? OWS?
uneven mason
It's when bp systems become required to function
Because they won't address the issues or they nerf the core system due to introducing bp systems that were not balanced see bfa s2
cyan star
Hey what stones are you running for prot? Thanks.
strong forum
pins
uneven mason
Warrior in s1 sl required a specific legendary to function
You were substantially weaker as prot using venthyr
Etc... That's where bp becomes a problem
old sinew
It's when bp systems become required to function
Define “required to function”. By that definition, tier is more borrowed power as it often has class hooks that make a build work when it normally wouldn’t
sick sentinel
The modern era
uneven mason
Define “required to function”. By that definition, tier is more borrowed power a...
Tier won't make or break being able to do content it's small impact
old sinew
SFO tier is way, way, way borrowed power than some cringe ring
strong forum
the thing with tier is, same as trinkets
you know they will leave, you know they will be replaced by new trinket/new tier
cyan star
The modern era
What stones are you running please?
old sinew
you know they will leave, you know they will be replaced by new trinket/new tier
Literally borrowing power
😆
strong forum
thats not the problematic borrowed power that legion arifacts were
uneven mason
So like I said, it's a bit dooming, because this is a slippery slope, but I guess we'll wait to see if ion nerfs ring in 10.1
uneven mason
thats not the problematic borrowed power that legion arifacts were
Azerite gear
strong forum
60% of your dmg didnt come from you
it came just from gear
just have the gear and the class plays itself
thats dogshit
if its 5%? who cares
good for you
uneven mason
it came just from gear
This is what worries me on these rings
strong forum
10%? still managable
old sinew
30% of bears damage last tier was from their 4 pc.
strong forum
but sfo tiersets TRIPLED BDKS DMG
yes and it was a dogshit tierset sentenza
nobody misses those sets
everybody with more than 2 braincells hated em
pwar set was good because it enhanced your class, it relied on you playing well to perform well and get the full benefit
old sinew
everybody with more than 2 braincells hated em
You’d be surprised. I hated SFO tier but tons of Andies seem to want borrowed power style tier back. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
uneven mason
Which rewards playing well
strong forum
it promotes good gameplay
borrowed power such as corruption, this ring, bear SL tierset, doesnt promote good gameplay
it just happens
old sinew
The point is that you don’t hate borrowed power. You hate feeling less in control of your character.
That’s not the same.
modern brook
Nah I hate borrowed power
old sinew
Pepe hammer
modern brook
Nothing about dom sockets was an issue with control
old sinew
Big Pepe hammer vibes
uneven mason
rppm damage mmm passive shit that looks good even if you spend 60% of your GCD licking windows
strong forum
i dont hate borrowed power in itself, but the execution is often times done extremely poorly and youre left in the dirt afterwards
see: Legion > Bfa
modern brook
i dont hate borrowed power in itself, but the execution is often times done extr...
Borrowed power is fine when it's impactful like out burst or legion artifact trees
strong forum
everybody lost so much power
modern brook
When it's damage procs I can't be asked with it
strong forum
thats how this whole debacle even began
borrowed power is only okay if you leave stronger after the power is gone
thats the big takeaway
old sinew
See here’s the thing nom… you have good, well considered takes. Everyone else just paints in broad strokes and says “tier good borrowed power bad” when some tier was dog-shit and some non-tier borrowed power has been fine
uneven mason
everybody lost so much power
Especially prot warriors because we got nerfed as if we were keeping the artifact tree but got nothing to replace it
uneven mason
vdh suffers to this day
I yam my scars
strong forum
frailty is a beautiful addition
uneven mason
It's not even discussed in other discords
slim dove
i played it in legion then tried picking it back up this go around, feels like absolute dog
sick sentinel
if i didnt play a pwar i'd play a DH most likely
DH tank is insane
literal double and triple size the pulls i can do on dk
cuz i can move arou nd
and i have dps
old sinew
🤔
uneven mason
Huh
modern brook
weird take tbh
heavy temple
what is the current beta scaling? Is it still scaled like s1?
modern brook
I'll go ahead and say
sick sentinel
cuz i could kite shit and i had dps
modern brook
you probably shouldnt base your impressions of a class on lfd
sick sentinel
so i never died as much and had a better time
slim dove
what is the current beta scaling? Is it still scaled like s1?
what you mean
new top end is 447 iirc
uneven mason
"I love this tank because I can just runaway and not tank"
slim dove
stats gonna go to the MOON
heavy temple
what you mean
Scaling interms of key lvl difficulty
sick sentinel
it was way better than druid or monk tank
slim dove
Scaling interms of key lvl difficulty
same as s1.
uneven mason
Was
modern brook
Scaling interms of key lvl difficulty
key levels aint changing
10% compounding every level after 10
sick sentinel
oh well, i dunno if i'd do DH for tank but
uneven mason
K values probably adjusted but idk by what
modern brook
magic number will be adjusted yah
heavy temple
key levels aint changing
they will change with s2 or?
slim dove
they haven't said anything about it changing
heavy temple
same as s1.
Kk, anyone knows what the equivalent of a s2 +20 is now?
modern brook
0 things will be different about scaling in keys
slim dove
Kk, anyone knows what the equivalent of a s2 +20 is now?
equivalent to what?
bro im so lost
what are you asking
heavy temple
equivalent to what?
I don't understand the problem. What key level now is equivalent to a key level in s2
Like is a +25 now a +20 in s2
modern brook
Kk, anyone knows what the equivalent of a s2 +20 is now?
THe only difference between S1 +20s and S2 +20s will be the k value will be adjusted
sick sentinel
Kk, anyone knows what the equivalent of a s2 +20 is now?
a +20 is a +20
slim dove
I don't understand the problem. What key level now is equivalent to a key level ...
the scaling is the same my guy
modern brook
and the K value adjustment just moves the goal post to keep tanks from immuning damage passively
heavy temple
the scaling is the same my guy
But the baseline will be differnt
so a +20 in s1 has different hp/dmg numbers from mobs, than a +20 in s2
old sinew
The only thing I don’t like about s2 so far is that you can brick 16s for crafting currency and craft 447. And yet m+ caps at 447. Feels like M+ vsult is nerfed. Valor/crest upgrades are also less valuable when crafted gear is 6 ilvl superior and not 3
amber siren
The numbers go up on the mob, but so do yours
modern brook
But the baseline will be differnt
the baseline will not be different
heavy temple
So you are saying, a +20 will be the exact same as now, i.e., trivial because we have 20 more ilvl?
pastel sleet
I think i can shed some light on the question
old sinew
Crafted right now is 418, in s2 it will be equal to 421 (421+ 26 = 447)
old sinew
So you are saying, a +20 will be the exact same as now, i.e., trivial because w...
No dude
old sinew
So you are saying, a +20 will be the exact same as now, i.e., trivial because w...
We get 32 % stronger so do the mobs
modern brook
no thats waht you're reading
slim dove
lol
heavy temple
I will have the gear I have now
modern brook
THe only difference between S1 +20s and S2 +20s will be the k value will be adju...
^
dusty monolith
k value?
old sinew
On launch day? A 20 will feel like a 23 dies now
pastel sleet
At ilvl 415, greg is barely completing his weekly 20+.
Next season day 1, greg is still ilvl 415, what key level will he be able to barely complete?
heavy temple
At ilvl 415, greg is barely completing his weekly 20+.
Next season day 1, greg ...
Thank you
heavy temple
That is my question
pastel sleet
Boom. Answer!
modern brook
ie: the keys you were able to complete in VOTI normla gear
heavy temple
you should expect a similar gear - key ratio as you experienced in 1
Whiich is not my question
heavy temple
🤷 google it then
Or maybe answer the question i asked
or not answer at all
no point in lecturing me
How useless my question is
old sinew
Both questions were answered at this point let’s move on. 🤷♂️
Although just an fyi Timmy has played s1 dungeons for 6 months so he may not beat a 17 since the dungeon will be new to him
Keep that in mind
heavy temple
Although just an fyi Timmy has played s1 dungeons for 6 months so he may not bea...
True obviously
modern brook
k value?
The dr values for armor are calculated as (A)/(A+K) where a is your armor value and k is a constant for the specific content you're doing. that k value is adjuste dto prevent higher item level equipment form immuning damage. THis is also how block is calculate,d subbing armor value for block value
sick sentinel
PSA, since freehold is coming back, this dawing is in reference to the shells that ludwig von tortollan shoots out
if you place your character as such
you will get chian knocked down
and die
old sinew
Never played freehold skipped BFA hope it lives up to the memes
sick sentinel
so you can get totally fucked over thegre
dusty monolith
The dr values for armor are calculated as (A)/(A+K) where a is your armor value ...
i dont understand and i dont need to understand, thanks for trying to explain though
sick sentinel
if ur not looking
dusty monolith
i am a scrub
modern brook
i dont understand and i dont need to understand, thanks for trying to explain th...
like i said, nerd shit
the big take away is "block and armor value matter"
sick sentinel
i played all of BFA, did keys 8.0 to end of 8.3, badly mind you, but i learned alot about BFA dungeons
strong forum
Like is a +25 now a +20 in s2
pretty much along those lines yea
shell mortar
Any1 has the details script for new ring?
strong forum
should be like ~24.5 ish
old sinew
pretty much along those lines yea
No shot.
strong forum
yes shot
old sinew
🤔
strong forum
baseline m0 usually increases by +30% each season, which translates into m+
old sinew
Scaling changes from 8% per key to 10% per key
strong forum
key scaling is 10% in DF instead of 8%
shell mortar
Any1 has the details script for new ring?
^
strong forum
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shell mortar
Ty sir
strong forum
usually back in SL, when a new season started, when the swap happened it was around 3 keylevels difference
with 8% scaling
old sinew
key scaling is 10% in DF instead of 8%
Which means that there are less key levels to represent a 30% jump “, not more
strong forum
?
modern brook
key scaling is 10% in DF instead of 8%
its till 8% pre 10
strong forum
ye
strong forum
Which means that there are less key levels to represent a 30% jump “, not more
baseline gets +30
so the jump will be larger because of increased scaling from 10 onwards
stark jewel
if you start with a baseline level of 1, (arbitrary value), scaling it 10% by key level means the overall difficulty scales less rapidly than if you start scaling 1.3 by 10% for every key level
1.3 represents the baseline bump of 30%
If I understand this correctly
strong forum
thats how im thinking ye, so the question in the end is
is the jump larger than 3 keylevels or not
at 20
modern brook
baseline gets +30
is this baseline bump not from the kvalue adjustments?
modern brook
wild
i thought they did that through the k value adjustment didnt realize they also increased the m0 shit
strong forum
they always did
sick sentinel
mythic 0 gear should be able to be valored or equivilannt instantly
strong forum
character creation time
sick sentinel
cuz im not exacfly sure on that 10.1 system
strong forum
seems im wrong in what i said
old sinew
You can see a 20 is just slightly easier than a 23, 21 slightly easier than 24 etc. so keys grew like 2.8 something
old sinew
thats just assuming that its only gonna be 30%
True
old sinew
Yeah we haven’t seen the scaling aura yet
strong forum
usually its 30, in SL i think it was 40% in s3, but could also be wrong
stark jewel
wouldnt the "true" scaling in difficulty be made even worse with no seasonal affix?
old sinew
usually its 30, in SL i think it was 40% in s3, but could also be wrong
Yeah but that was because we got tier from no tier
We have tier and get new tier - im not sure how that pans out
modern brook
wouldnt the "true" scaling in difficulty be made even worse with no seasonal aff...
s2 has no seasonal? or none announced?
old sinew
No seasonal
modern brook
smh
stark jewel
they said there were stoppinmg seasonals altogether
old sinew
We are getting a rotation in level 7 affixes tho
modern brook
they'll liste to no seasonal but not "remove fucking fort/tyr"
old sinew
Whatever that means
strong forum
Yeah but that was because we got tier from no tier
yes
strong forum
by magnitudes
hazy sluice
Can one tell what the DF S1 +20 key equivalent in shadowlands S1 one would be ?
Like i am clearing +23s but couldn't get above +18 in shadowlands s1
Am I just way better or is it more easy ?
old sinew
Running thunderlord at the start of df s1 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
hazy sluice
Guess that's a big part
tame jasper
Running thunderlord at the start of df s1 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
yes
violet flume
is everyone running battering ram instead of that now
tame jasper
and with reprisal we got an legendary "to fix our class" and not to get a bonus
old sinew
and with reprisal we got an legendary "to fix our class" and not to get a bonus
Yup. What a mess
violet flume
i hate when blizz adds tier bonuses to fix a class issue instead of fixing the issue
median tulip
TBH I don't think we're exactly perfect now; in terms of meaningful choices in the talents, I don't actually have any more freedom than I did in the 7*3 system
modern brook
TBH I don't think we're exactly perfect now; in terms of meaningful choices in t...
nah you say that but like
7*3 system sucked
old sinew
Double wall? Spell block? 🤔
modern brook
I get what you're saying
median tulip
Double wall? Spell block? 🤔
Double Wall is bad mmmkay
hazy sluice
Double wall kinda never picked spell block nearly mandatory
slim dove
double wall bad never pick
modern brook
but like prot is just happy to not have all its throughput options competing with one another
slim dove
spell block huge in keys its useful in
modern brook
like imagine having to play devestate again lmao
old sinew
double wall bad never pick
Even against TJS 3rd boss?
urban portal
talents dont need to always be the best
slim dove
Even against TJS 3rd boss?
yes
urban portal
it just need to have a purpose
sick sentinel
when is next MDI
old sinew
Paging @strong forum
sick sentinel
i want to see it
strong forum
in low keys its good, the higher you go, the better wall becomes
median tulip
it just need to have a purpose
Which is exactly the issue; how many genuinely optional talents are there, compared to the mandatory ones and the useless ones?
modern brook
rigid relic
What primordial stones do i put in ring?
old sinew
in low keys its good, the higher you go, the better wall becomes
If I do a 25 Tyr TJS I want double wall, correct?
strong forum
no
old sinew
No?
median tulip
What primordial stones do i put in ring?
urban portal
Which is exactly the issue; how many genuinely optional talents are there, compa...
maybe thats not true for prot but that holds true for a lot of other specs
strong forum
no
slim dove
hAhAA
modern brook
hAhAA
urban portal
not to mention you can go an execute focused build if you really wanted to for raid parsing
there are definitely decent amount of options, just not as much as other tanks
strong forum
yes
median tulip
not to mention you can go an execute focused build if you really wanted to for r...
Actually the way our Execute talents are split up between the 3 columns of the middle section is one of the things that really annoys me
strong forum
you get just as many walls in tyr 25 with imp wall
as with double wall
its just not back to back
chilly brook
you get just as many walls in tyr 25 with imp wall
Wouldn’t it be more?
median tulip
If I really needed more Shield Wall I would prefer to spec Immovable Object
urban portal
Actually the way our Execute talents are split up between the 3 columns of the m...
thats not the greatest but the option is there
it doesnt need to be perfect
chilly brook
Or am I thinking wrong talent
strong forum
Wouldn’t it be more?
no, you are only on p2 for 1-1.5min
old sinew
Wouldn’t it be more?
It’s not likely we get 3 walks with double wall I’m guessing
urban portal
prot war def has the tree solved like week 1 tho
strong forum
if you are any longer in that phase, youll die
chilly brook
no, you are only on p2 for 1-1.5min
Oh I meant overall
Not specifically
That boss
slim dove
prot war def has the tree solved like week 1 tho
helps we have theorycrafters like nom
old sinew
You get less overall eith double wall
strong forum
overall you get more with imp wall yes
slim dove
broken pendant
Have we found out if Storm is BIS for Multi Target on the ring yet?
odd tree
most people lust p2? haven't pushed tjs too much really, but seen it happen when i've dps'd the key
median tulip
The real way to deal with TotJS 3rd boss is for your DPS to not be shit, and burn through that phase so you take less damage
jade pulsar
Have we found out if Storm is BIS for Multi Target on the ring yet?
pins
broken pendant
I did, and then later on he mentioned that the pesilent may be better
chilly brook
Well
old sinew
most people lust p2? haven't pushed tjs too much really, but seen it happen when...
Yes I believe so.
broken pendant
Just gonna go for the storm/del and proph then, and pray pestilent isnt bis
median tulip
most people lust p2? haven't pushed tjs too much really, but seen it happen when...
Once you're doing serious keys, yes, Lusting P2 is the way to go
chilly brook
Just gonna go for the storm/del and proph then, and pray pestilent isnt bis
Just level a paladin until you get a solid answer
Pretty sure they’re busted now
broken pendant
Just level a paladin until you get a solid answer
Already got one fully juiced out the wazoo lmao
median tulip
I'm genuinely considering leveling a Ret pally because the new zone has dropped me a nearly-complete set of 385 Plate tokens
old sinew
Pwar also got nerfed in multiple ways
slim dove
pwar nerfs didnt really move us much tbh
topaz field
Once you're doing serious keys, yes, Lusting P2 is the way to go
once ur doing serious keys u stop lusting p2 and have it for last boss
chilly brook
Mostly just leveling it for human heritage armor
slim dove
just prot pal got "discovered" and the offhealing/utility they provide in high keys in invaluable.
chilly brook
But still nice
old sinew
Buffing 1 class and nerfing another tends to shake up the meta
violet flume
apparantly my friend who runs with a prot paladin says his runs have become significantly easier and he is way easier to heal now
slim dove
If you play a healer in the 16-19 key rat bracket though
chilly brook
apparantly my friend who runs with a prot paladin says his runs have become sign...
They got a shit ton of defensives and free healing with the update
slim dove
pwar is noticeably easier to heal in rat keys
violet flume
said his tnak has 640k hp too
slim dove
chilly brook
Way more free WoGs too
violet flume
avengers shield heals group too i hear
chilly brook
Makes being a quazi healer tank actually so much easier
odd tree
ret pals are now super tanky as well, lots of passive self healing
slim dove
ret pal pretty great for keys
its dog in raid though
the nerfs right before 10.0.7 took it down a bunch
chilly brook
I would not be surprised to see runs in some keys without healers with pally now
violet flume
still doesnt stop my groups from getting 1shot by 1shot mechanics tho 😦
chilly brook
some keys
Not all
Ret having flash of light be an instant with a 6 second CD threw me for a loop
Def weird
But nice
odd tree
shammy changes were also nice. chain heal is carrying keys now
violet flume
had my first resto shaman busting out gigachad healer dps in CoS the other day
35k overall lol
odd tree
had my first resto shaman busting out gigachad healer dps in CoS the other day
yep, been noticing the same from my healer buddy
sucks they nerfed acid rain, but he's still pumpin
violet flume
i wondered why i timed CoS+20 with 7:30 to spare when a dps did 50k, shaman made up for it
serene yew
do we use vers or glacial phial for m+?
violet flume
i def need to levle my shaman, i loved resto back in the day
chilly brook
I've had a love for shamans ever since s1 of BFA despite them being considered dogwater
sick sentinel
my main love of shaman is because they have lust baseline
so i never need to worry if they are speced into it
odd tree
they were decent in slands too, kyrian totem was pretty legit
sick sentinel
or "i don't know what that is sory"
amber siren
do we use vers or glacial phial for m+?
eye in the storm
modern brook
do we use vers or glacial phial for m+?
if youre looking for defensive value, verse obviously. if you're looking for damage, just sim. if you just hammer tepid verse you're fine
sick sentinel
well, for a hunter, u have to bring out a pet that is in the correct class
chilly brook
well, for a hunter, u have to bring out a pet that is in the correct class
and if you're a hunter and you don't have one or don't want to bring it out you're a PoS
sick sentinel
and in the past it use to be mage, hunter, shaman only did lust, or u had shitty nerfed drums instead
chilly brook
I can't take MM hunters seriously when they whine " but muh damage"
sick sentinel
i still say give fury warrior ability to do blood lust
it fits the theme of fury warrior so much
chilly brook
- it's not that major of a loss
- the group benefit more than makes up for it
amber siren
i thought eye is a worse glacial?
nope
urban portal
its a loss on their survival
fresh igloo
it fits the theme of fury warrior so much
agreed heh
modern brook
its a loss on their survival
they're a hunter it doesnt matter lmao
chilly brook
its a loss on their survival
hunters have survival?
violet flume
i always felt like war could have lust ya
median tulip
hunters have survival?
Yeah, it's their melee spec /s
chilly brook
Hunters are famous for just dying
violet flume
imagine a berserker shout that boosts the morale of your team o
chilly brook
so i don't think we'll be negatively impacting anything
median tulip
imagine a berserker shout that boosts the morale of your team o
Intimidating Shout should counter/remove Enrage, IMO
violet flume
agreed, give us before brackenhide M+
odd tree
i always thought that would have been a decent talent
median tulip
Brackenhide is gonna be a mess
violet flume
im not excited about s2
giga long timers and painful dungeons it seems
uldaman 40min timer zzzz
slim dove
eh
odd tree
Brackenhide is gonna be a mess
saw a dev post where they acknowledged this at least
median tulip
Neltharus is ok
violet flume
dungeons should be 25-30min timers and take 20-25 to clear
slim dove
ulda is 40 min so is nok
median tulip
Fucking Freehold tho
odd tree
yea, a couple long ones are fine
violet flume
just the length
slim dove
nah people just want 20-25 min blast keys
modern brook
brackenhide will be shit cause the dungeon is shit
slim dove
spoiled by sbg
violet flume
i want 8x maw of souls lmao
slim dove
maw wasn't fast on high keys
odd tree
there's always the gimmie key
modern brook
isnt maw in this season?
odd tree
mists
median tulip
Ulda will be tricky on Tyr weeks
slim dove
Ulda will be tricky on Tyr weeks
last boss on tyr/grevious
kekw
cant wait to heal it as rdruid
violet flume
no maw of souls the legion boat dungeon with helya
violet flume
no its not in this season
violet flume
this season old dungeons are jade temple, halls of valor, court of stars, shadowmoon burial grounds
modern brook
this season old dungeons are jade temple, halls of valor, court of stars, shadow...
right but what about the one that i havent been playing for 6 months
violet flume
not sure i get your questions, those are the 4 old dungeons making a comeback this season, the 4 others are current dragonflight dungeons
modern brook
What are the old dungeons coming in for season 2
which at this point ih ave googled
violet flume
ahh sorry you kept saying this season lol
median tulip
Season 2s repeat dungeons are Freehold, Underrot, Neltharion's Lair and Vortex Pinnacle
modern brook
also isnt vortex pinnacle that toxic dog shit dungeon with the clouds
uncut helm
Yes. Yes it is.
violet flume
it has the antimagic lightning pyramids
odd tree
yarp
violet flume
im not sure ive ever had a proper pull of those antimagic zone pulls
modern brook
insane that they thought anyone would want to play that again, let alone as a major form of content for the next year
median tulip
Vortex Pinnacle won't be too bad. Freehold though, is the most unutterably dogshit dungeon ever devised
violet flume
ill just make 3x melee groups lmao
topaz field
freehold is hella garbage
modern brook
zets living in opposite world
violet flume
a lot of people are hyped for freehold, personally idk i havent played BFA M+
topaz field
ppl seem to have forgotten that first boss is only playable with cheese on higher key levels for any melee character
odd tree
yea, i keep hearing the opposite. wasn't playing during that time, so no opinion myself
violet flume
i ran that placel ike twice on heroic
median tulip
I fucking loathed Freehold back in BfA, and that is unlikely to change
topaz field
they also seem to have forgotten that routing requires a rogue if u dont have the pillar from seasonal affix
violet flume
people are annoyed at underrot
sick sentinel
people are annoyed at underrot
under suck
narrow hull
tyrannical underrot will push your shit in
still hearth
anyone else had a bug in vault where there is no arcane ward to open the chests
violet flume
personally i still hve PTSD from rock throwers in neltharion but otherwise its an easy dungeon
still hearth
i've opened every room x)
sick sentinel
tyrannical underrot will push your shit in
FORT undersuck will push your shit in too
tons of ASS mobs to fight on fort
topaz field
imagine disliking UR as prot warrior
violet flume
well they did say theyd revisit older dungeons tuning/spells so theres hope
modern brook
ur is mid
sick sentinel
its not that i don't like it, i very much like the dungeon
narrow hull
idk what you can even skip in the beginning anymore, been so long.
sick sentinel
it just sucks ass to run
modern brook
nelths is high
median tulip
Underrot will be a pug killer, same as it always was. Party aggros 2 worms at the same time = wipe
sick sentinel
Underrot will be a pug killer, same as it always was. Party aggros 2 worms at th...
the mask pull right before first boss
and having to know which left or right side ramp there is best cuz there is extra add 50% left or right
odd tree
im not sure ive ever had a proper pull of those antimagic zone pulls
forgot how they work. can the mobs also not cast in them? cause i thought there was a dispell or an aoe that had to be stopped or you'd wipe
violet flume
spells sent in mobs/players standing in the antimagic zone gets nullified
sick sentinel
some bolt and a live longer spell
violet flume
pulls inside antimagic zone are like giga caster heavy so you need like 2-3 interrupts to drag them out
sick sentinel
the devil girl casts it
she casts 2 things a heal and a you cant die thing on friendly
odd tree
pulls inside antimagic zone are like giga caster heavy so you need like 2-3 inte...
so grabby hands might fizzle
violet flume
hmm i dont know about that, maybe? i know fireballs and co will do 0 damage anyways
sick sentinel
yeah, ya'll clearly don't remember underrott like i do
sick sentinel
no, im more scared of tyranical shrooms
median tulip
The last boss in Underrot will confused the fuck out of your average pugger
sick sentinel
EVERY SINGLE TIME with my guild, the hpal and the dk
we died at the shrooms
cuz they went boom and someone rages and thats all she wrote, guy left
median tulip
Actually all the bosses will be murder until people learn howtheir bullshit works
sick sentinel
says we are dog shit and to go an hero
i had a paladin and dk working with me all the time and we still managed to constantly fuck up that boss
he's harder than he looks
median tulip
The mushroom boss is just exactly the same thing as the 1st boss in azure vault, really
topaz field
the mushroom boss is just 10 times better
sick sentinel
yes but no
topaz field
couz u can worst case soak shrooms and dispel or press immunity
and the frontal is an actual frontal
sick sentinel
u just send ur paladin or dk in with AMZ and their biggest MS shit
topaz field
and not that cringe frontal from 1st boss AV
that is anything but a reliable frontal
violet flume
median tulip
Like how Hymdall is just General Kaal is just Vexiona. Blizz likes to repeat boss mechanics.
sick sentinel
have them do 3/4 and u do ur side with the 2 whatever cleave pizzas he does to remove it
violet flume
447 ilevel damn
median tulip
26 ilvl increase on last season is exactly what I expected TBH
violet flume
ilevle bloat always amazes me
hmm i guess yea
i remember a new tier meant only +13 ilevel lmao
so +4s give 421 gear, im guessing they wont be as hard as +20 right now though
with my 417 ilevel i wonder what difficulty id be able to start at
median tulip
If we get to 4 seasons in this expansion you'll be pushing over ilvl 500 overall
median tulip
with my 417 ilevel i wonder what difficulty id be able to start at
15-16, probably
violet flume
15-16, really, thatll make the climb to +20 much faster
i spent so many weeks sub +15, can only do one run a day or soemtimes two
violet flume
lol really, that seems really low ilevel
violet flume
yeah but i wouldve expected +20s to take more than 410 ilevel when +7s give 411
not counting vault
anyways time to go back to work
slim dove
thats fair
modern brook
didnt we just havea whole conversation about how the season 2 scaling hasnt been implemetned yet?
modern brook
rat druid is my favorite spec
serene yew
why does the method guide suggest using speed instead of avoidance for cloaks?
or even leech
uneven mason
why does the method guide suggest using speed instead of avoidance for cloaks?
Literally can't even split that hair
uneven mason
But it's probably because unavoidable AE isn't going to kill you, not is the healing from the miniscule amount of leech going to save you, but moving faster is handy
fresh igloo
but muh HPS parse lol
w/ heroic leap and charge, esp with an evoker buff, I don't generally find i have mobility struggles.
uneven mason
It's not the passive ae that kills in df, it's the swirly
uneven mason
I mean legit tertiary will never make an actual difference
odd tree
i also have 6 or 7 pieces with avoidance, so i just stacked it with the enchants for the luls
should probably switch those up, dr hits tertiaries hard
uneven mason
Eh, save the time
odd tree
true, not sweating over it
frigid socket
Fellow Tanks, revamping my Ui, What is a Good Add Maker Addon for Mythic + ?
serene yew
andwhat about armor vs stam for leggings armor kit?
uncut thunder
Fellow Tanks, revamping my Ui, What is a Good Add Maker Addon for Mythic + ?
Auto marker WA?
uncut helm
I live and die by fierce being the better kit.
frigid socket
Auto marker WA?
Addon , WeakAura. W/e. Just looking for something Viable.
sick sentinel
due to price to performance
serene yew
ok
uncut thunder
Addon , WeakAura. W/e. Just looking for something Viable.
Yeah Auto Marker WA is what I use and most people tend to.
serene yew
ok
median tulip
The Stamina isn't really all that impactful either TBQH
sick sentinel
yeah, 120 armor is more or less 0.5 % melee DR
daring marlin
100%
serene yew
yeah it feels like the method guide is focusing more on damage and the other guides more on def/survivability
slim dove
12 str 
median tulip
You're getting like... 6 strength
serene yew
I also noticed the method guide doesn't recommend the vers phial at all
daring marlin
point being stam gives nothing
sick sentinel
fierce armor kit vs frosted armor kit comes down to personal preference basically
daring marlin
the armor>stam
daring marlin
It's both is my point
daring marlin
zug zug brother
median tulip
Stamina gives an incredibly tiny bit of extra healing from anything that works on %MaxHP
sick sentinel
tank more health better tank
daring marlin
incorrect
median tulip
I repeat: neither is particularly impactful
sick sentinel
hes main tank, hes got more hp than u
cinder storm
New rings are great because they give stamina just like codex 
slim dove
true, i swapped tauren just to have more hp and flex on my co-tank
reef holly
Anyone else here enjoy the pug life, as opposed to being in a guild and having to talk to other people? 
daring marlin
true, i swapped tauren just to have more hp and flex on my co-tank
you lie
mighty valley
i play with my friends 🙂
daring marlin
you wanted the crit damage
daring marlin
sumbitch
slim dove
cuz bleeds are cringe
slim dove
shoulda gone regular dwarf tho for mogs + more damage overall
but i do get to do silly AA pulls with the str amp
daring marlin
I've considered going dorf on a character
I like the new human heritage tho for my pally
slim dove
its pretty cool.
hope we get troll heritage soon
kinda sick of mop challenge mode mog
peak flint
Anyone using the new ring? And is it worth it
pliant geode
good to boost dps a bit
peak flint
Thanks!
slim dove
sick sentinel
Is there an update to the bis stones so far? After the buffs or are the pinned ones updated?
wait wtf was this about a pouch to hold my gems
or just some fever dream
strong forum
pins are up to date
sick sentinel
you know
zoomes might not know what a pin is, cuz paper less common way of doing things now, still heavily used, but not as much due to pc
mighty valley
the save icon is still a floppy disc and the zoomers seem to get along ok
sick sentinel
push pin might become thing of the past if we ever move past paper
yeah, 1.44 mb floppy with the protecor on it and windo on the protecter is the best respesentation of "save", that or a 5 and 1/4 inch floppy disk icon
sudden tangle
whats the latest recommended build for prot for m+?
mighty valley
check the pins
sudden tangle
i cant seem to find
sick sentinel
pins are up to date
Personal question.
On subcreation, do you know if this date its legit updated or still too early?
jade pulsar
i cant seem to find
strong forum
ignore subcreation
sick sentinel
ignore subcreation
ty
untold scroll
Uhm - my onyx seems to target mobs everywhere.... did anyone run a M+ with this setup? Seems like a massive ninja pull ring...
cinder storm
It's known
cinder storm
Like codex of the first technique did originally
untold scroll
So it's worthless in it's current state for M+ 😛
old sinew
Uhm - my onyx seems to target mobs everywhere.... did anyone run a M+ with this ...
Yup. It killed a 24 RLP I ran 😡
cinder storm
Works as a secondary taunt
mystic sleet
Btw, is there any Option to See what pulls, beside logs?
untold scroll
It'll come to you i guess
Open your eyes and see if it starts running your way :)))
proud patrol
oh shit was about to upgrade, good to know, might wait a bit then
sick sentinel
just 3 more vault keys and done for week
sudden tangle
so wait this ring is pulling mobs
dusty monolith
Uhm - my onyx seems to target mobs everywhere.... did anyone run a M+ with this ...
just did a 20 rlp and the ring pulled twice
untold scroll
ninja pulling mobs so far away
sudden tangle
ive had some weird things happen these last two days
dude i was flaming people omg
untold scroll
kekw
uncut helm
Toxic.
sudden tangle
apologies sir
cinder storm
You should. flaming don't lead to anything good
untold scroll
apologies sir
I forgive u
dusty monolith
might actually run freezing ice instead of storming for now
sudden tangle
why does bubbles hate me
untold scroll
why does bubbles hate me
He's a hunter undercover
sick sentinel
i got 5 items equipped that do fire dmg now
cinder storm
Actually, I don't have any dps classes in my char selection
I'd lose brain cells just by looking at something other than tank
reef holly
Uhm - my onyx seems to target mobs everywhere.... did anyone run a M+ with this ...
Yes but how much dps did you do?
vale ravine
is there a way to farm the fragments or stones after you have opened up all your doors in the vault for the week
slim dove
event every 2 hours
vale ravine
? what event
uneven mason
Whatever one pops up
mighty valley
The chest event seems broken whenever it's been up for me
vale ravine
Ok
Yeah thats the only event I know of is the chest and it's been bugged for days now
forest dagger
guildie said earlier the primalist future event thing drops frags, haven't confirmed though
cinder storm
How do you open the door for the vault? Do you need to farm a key or something? Haven't played much this week
old sinew
Yes keys drop from rares and can also be acquired by trading overflow for sack of oddities
forest dagger
going into the vault is a quest, opening doors inside take keys, you'll need 28 total to open em all
old sinew
The overflow from dailies can be used for sacks so it can be worth running dailies
forest dagger
but but I need the 100k for a buffalon...
vale ravine
Ok so there is a primal storm event just dont know how frequently it spawns
slim dove
next is in 20 mins
sick sentinel
Where is the sack of oddities vendor? I legit thought overflow was useless, sitting on like 20k @old sinew
forest dagger
dragonscale envoy next to the inn in morqut
sick sentinel
ty
warm plinth
The chest event seems broken whenever it's been up for me
If it's the one where you charge the rods or whatever, you just need to wait a while and they'll be active (they look different when they're active). I just sat there for like 10 mins killing shit and they started working
mighty valley
i swear i was there for 20 mins and no one knew what was going on
muted wren
That the weekly one?
little bough
i feel alot more weak on my protwarrior other than my protpally, is this usual?
same ilvl
mighty valley
you might be playing warrior wrong
lime glen
nah prot pala feels way stronger same ilvl
mighty valley
paladin is good too but you shouldn't be falling over on warrior
old sinew
Warrior feels slightly more sluggish with this new ring instead of having haste 😱😱😱😱😱
Also I love the screaming emoji, whoever decided it should look like “The Scream”,
mighty valley
after i've messed around and generated big numbers i'll probably stick to normal rings for m+
jade pulsar
My stats after a messy 20 halls, running storm/des/prop - sure I felt the haste reduction but that dmg 👌
lofty vine
i have a question about the ring is it worth to have rn ? and wich stones are the best for prot raid/m+
jade pulsar
i have a question about the ring is it worth to have rn ? and wich stones are th...
pins
old sinew
after i've messed around and generated big numbers i'll probably stick to normal...
… why
Exploit early exploit often
mighty valley
i mean, sims are still ongoing, but it seems very possible that they're still worse than secondaries in aoe
old sinew
i mean, sims are still ongoing, but it seems very possible that they're still wo...
Pepehammer. You can literally play with these gems right now and see for yourself how they do and compare against your own runs
What a strange take. I dunno
mighty valley
not exactly the scientific process but sure
old sinew
Field testing has lined up with napkin math within an acceptable margin. Sims are okay but not really a good snapshot of M+ performance
mighty valley
good to hear! i have thusfar looted two vault keys so
i'm not really going to have the time to do wide testing on these things lmao
old sinew
Also sims aren’t really still ongoing hasn’t t nom already simmed these and put out best sets? And he’s tested them in keys too?
indigo wharf
can anyone share sting for stone simming?
mighty valley
Also sims aren’t really still ongoing hasn’t t nom already simmed these and put ...
you seem kind of upset that i haven't read every single message about these stones over the past two days? geeze, i'm just going off pins and the gut feelings i've managed to catch
old sinew
🤷♂️
jade pulsar
think proff wants to sim themselves, here mate:
mighty valley
also heeding the wise name of "wait for simc on stone hotfix"
unless we should no longer be waiting
in which case, add "don't" to your name
rose flicker
do we always want more damage on the rings
amber siren
there probably won't be any changes over the weekend but i wouldn't be surprised if the numbers keep changing next week
jade pulsar
on my sim it replaced the second ring though, unless it's programmatical indexing where 1==2
old sinew
🤔😆
rose flicker
cause ive been using cold frost stone/shining obsidian stone and its been pretty much giving me a shield thats on my 3rd highest heals and 9% damage total in a +21
jade pulsar
hmm ok then i dunno why it replaced the second ring for me which is the weaker one
sick sentinel
is there a new gem pouch?
old sinew
cause ive been using cold frost stone/shining obsidian stone and its been pretty...
I mean, no offense but your damage is probably ass if that combo did 9% since it caps out at around 3200 dps
sick sentinel
oh, i thought i heard there was
rose flicker
I mean, no offense but your damage is probably ass if that combo did 9% since it...
thats with another shield gem forgot to mention
old sinew
thats with another shield gem forgot to mention
Yes with cold frost shining obsidian and Indom earth I was getting around 3200 dps
warm plinth
Well I assume even your sims are done with the t29 build right @astral atlas
So it's assuming bis rings
So yeah if you don't have bis rings, it'll be better (relatively). And if you're not a good player damage-wise, it'll be better.
Again, relatively
jade pulsar
sadly haven't had eranog ring drop enough that loot council would give to a tank 😢
warm plinth
have you tried bribes?
old sinew
I did 2 keys a 23 HoV and a 23 AV 3200 and 3000 dps with absorb setup. Thats horrid damage. The absorbs are okay but like… they don’t help you live anything you wouldn’t already live. Other tanks may like the absorb gems but I feel they are anti-synergistic with how our mitigation works anyways
old sinew
Gleaming iron is even worse then indomitable earth :/
I’d love to see how that fire ring works in rlp tho
sick sentinel
are you sure about that? at least its a dmg buff for autos
jade pulsar
have you tried bribes?
they only take sims sadly 😦 no bribing other than cold hard statistics
old sinew
The auto attack buff is such a small dps gain. 100% uptime on the buff but it’s just not a lot of damage. The absorb value is literally half the frost gem and procs shining 33% less. Meanwhile indom has roughly same absorb amount and 2.5 ppm which is better than 2 ppm so more shining damage
warm plinth
they only take sims sadly 😦 no bribing other than cold hard statistics
don't you just have people who aren't corrupt smh
sick sentinel
ye, but i was trying to maximize the shining or whatever its called
warm plinth
hate*
shrewd grove
A fairly painful +18 HoV where people crashed out twice, and no one seemed to understand rune phase on Odyn, but the ring is doing work lol
old sinew
ye, but i was trying to maximize the shining or whatever its called
Indom earth procs the shining obsidian more. The upside of gleaming is that you can control the absorb, the downside is the absorb is horrible so who cares. Controlling dog-butt doesn’t matter, plus it’s a dps loss if you don’t proc gleaming on cooldown
rose flicker
A fairly painful +18 HoV where people crashed out twice, and no one seemed to un...
what rings were you using?
sick sentinel
thats why to have the frost gem
uneven mason
A fairly painful +18 HoV where people crashed out twice, and no one seemed to un...
Bruh much sympathy
sick sentinel
cuz it just keeps applying the buff
shrewd grove
sick sentinel
i guess it could go off at wrong times but hmmm
plush tendon
ive been hearing that Storm Infused is pulling extra stuff
old sinew
I understand the frost gem is good. But you have the choice of 3rd gem and it’s between gleaming iron or Indom earth
shrewd grove
Storm has definitely ninja pulled a few times, but it seems to only target mobs in front of you, so I have been facing away from anything I don't want to ninja pull, and it has worked well
old sinew
Just try out Indom earth instead of gleaming, you’ll see it perform better, higher proc rate and higher absorb.
warm plinth
A fairly painful +18 HoV where people crashed out twice, and no one seemed to un...
ngl I didn't realize you had the script and got like halfway down the list going "where are the stones???"
shrewd grove
Lmao! "This guy's an idiot, he is bragging about the ring but he's not even wearing it"
sick sentinel
i got a ring in there last night
old sinew
ive been hearing that Storm Infused is pulling extra stuff
Yup. Killed a 24 rlp 😡
old sinew
Storm has definitely ninja pulled a few times, but it seems to only target mobs ...
Guess that’s the tech then, still cringe tho. Blizzard plz fix
plush tendon
seems to be preforming the best (and I just upgrade the setup thats reco in the pins to try out this weekend)
and im interested about the shield aoe damage setup though
with Earth, Obsidian and Frost Stone
shrewd grove
Guess that’s the tech then, still cringe tho. Blizzard plz fix
Definitely doesn't feel "great" to be having to play around an obvious bug, but the damage is worth it
cursive root
Hey people after a lot of tunning in the new ring gems, what are the best one to use ?
Pins are up to date with tunning ?
shrewd grove
Yes
cursive root
Ok thanks
grave prairie
how come the sims are using melandrus and diurna as rings?
old sinew
and im interested about the shield aoe damage setup though
It’s okay. 🤷♂️ I mean if you are doing lower keys and don’t care about damage as much I guess it’s fine. I wouldn’t play it in actual keys though you give up way too much damage for not that much pay-off imo
warm plinth
how come the sims are using melandrus and diurna as rings?
Because they're our BiS rings. You can do your own sims to see the comparison with what you actually have.
jade pulsar
nothing gets passed you
old sinew
nothing gets passed you
😆
warm plinth
Yes, so if you sim, then it's going to tell you which of them to replace.
But probably melandrus would get replaced
old sinew
I’m just glad humming won’t end up being meta so I don’t have to mald out about not having enough magic damage triggers
topaz latch
do you guys prefer the inferno breast plate or the tier breastplate?
old sinew
Inferno breastplate? ❓
warm plinth
The haste/crit one from CoS
warm plinth
There's another haste/crit one but idr where it's from
old sinew
Apparently I’m using tier in chest because it had speed on it. Gotta go fast I guess lol
uneven mason
Speed bis, just ask method
sick sentinel
4 hov
sick sentinel
no idea if the fire dmg off ring proced raid ring fire
jade pulsar
is there a guide/write up for the pulls/mobs to use spell reflect on?
i dunno about guide but i use this WA to remind me
https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg/7
sick sentinel
i dunno about guide but i use this WA to remind me
https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg/7
Same
jade pulsar
nice, i just copied the link from the WA in-game
elfin plover
what are the requisites for getting the hidden prot appearance..?
i see people are doing it on class trials
uneven mason
i see people are doing it on class trials
Sounds sussy
strong forum
nah thats legit
gets you 4 extra chances per day
got hmt class trial and check cave
uneven mason
Some of us did it the hard way
You know flying there and pressing that macro
And then waiting till tomorrow
Actually I think I camped my human warrior there and just used him to check
elfin plover
You know flying there and pressing that macro
wait whats the macro
dont u just check gold pile
elfin plover
gets you 4 extra chances per day
so u dont need class hall unlockoed ot get it?
bc fresh class trial wont have class hall
uneven mason
wait whats the macro
It basically checks if you're eligible at the entrance
Uh let me see if I still have it saved
It checks for a hidden quest that triggers when you enter the cave
charred ivy
the piercing shards from AV frontals. leave some dot. is it dispellable somehow?
mighty valley
i don't recall, the initial hit is all i've ever worried about
charred ivy
i think it leave something tha stack up
mighty valley
should be trying to stun as many as you can anyway
charred ivy
for sure. i was just wondering if someone can remove. if so who
tepid otter
Its a dot that deals dmg for 10 secs or something
dark lark
the piercing shards from AV frontals. leave some dot. is it dispellable somehow?
not dispellable no
charred ivy
i see 🙂
dense coral
Which combination are you using?? Spill the beans 🫘 <:SweatPopcorn:997088541903...
Storm Infused Stone/Desirous Blood Stone/Prophetic Twilight Stone
serene yew
I think the plants mystic vapors leave a dot right?
That you can dispel with dwarf racial?
elfin plover
It basically checks if you're eligible at the entrance
WAIT
CAN YOU CLASS TRIAL TAESCHELACH FARM?
LFR QUEUE IN DAL PUTS YOU RIGHT AT AGGRAMAR
elfin plover
naw
well
does it let you solo queue for things?
as a class trial
if so im fucking teshwack farming
elfin plover
why?
warm plinth
You can't farm anything in a raid
with a class trial
They can't enter raid content
And can only enter dungeons that are appropriate for their level
The guy earlier was talking about the hidden appearance being farmable with class trials, which is true because you don't actually go into an instance for it
elfin plover
And can only enter dungeons that are appropriate for their level
antorus lfr queue is a gropu finder queue tho
slim dove
why?
ez push week and im tilted my healers ring just ninjapulled a pack on a for-sure key
elfin plover
u dont zone itno the raid
slim dove
if i log back in ill get invited to the 23 it depleted to
warm plinth
You can't enter raid content. It doesn't matter how you enter it.
elfin plover
You can't enter raid content. It doesn't matter how you enter it.
ah shucks
do the best i can do is just do lfr aggramar on every char once a week
?
so*
slim dove
yup
elfin plover
nuuuu
slim dove
on chars the sword can drop for
slim dove
even as prot it could drop.
lusty tiger
ez push week and im tilted my healers ring just ninjapulled a pack on a for-sure...
have log?- my healer is running the storm stone
we got a ninja pull but it ended up being the pug boomkin
it would be tragic tho to wipe to that stupid storm stone ninja pulling
astral crystal
what's the script for combining all ring dmg on plater?
warm plinth
On plater?
astral crystal
details, derp
warm plinth
-- Combine Primordial Stone Details.OverridedSpellIds[403225] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[404974] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[405220] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[405221] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[405209] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[403391] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[404911] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[404941] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[403087] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[403273] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[403171] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[405235] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[403381] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[405118] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[403408] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[403336] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[403392] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[403376] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[403253] = 404884 Details.OverridedSpellIds[403257] = 404884
astral crystal
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slim dove
have log?- my healer is running the storm stone
no log, trust me theres tons of evidence out there of the stones pulling mobs out of combat.
it might be an interaction with spiteful idk
lusty tiger
no log, trust me theres tons of evidence out there of the stones pulling mobs ou...
how could you tell? i wanna know what too look for incase he doesnt want to drop the storm stone lol
oak echo
your ranged dps don't like warn you it's gonna happen
a mob will come running at you that you didn't pull
lusty tiger
oh fuck
when i checked logs thinking it was him- i could only see the boomkin getting body aggro in the replay
but at the moment i said "who has the storm stone" and my healer said he was running it
slim dove
if you spend any time in other healer discords, you'll hear about it ninjapulling plenty
tropic gorge
I gotta say it. Random challenge mode!
"this gem will randomly activate hard mode for any encounter you're in. Good luck!"
waxen obsidian
hey guys, can anyone drop the script for details for the rings?
jade pulsar
scroll up
cloud timber
is it worth using the new ring or is it out classed by other rings
high basalt
@sick sentinel would you mind looking at my log i just posted quick please mate see if its any better than the other night? thanks 🙂
topaz latch
should we be switching out a storm onyx ring with the freezing one before fighting dungeon bosses?
ok so keep storm ring on for m+, cuz u cant take it off, and ice ring on for raid
fresh igloo
gear and talents are locked inside of M+ dungeon
cloud timber
should we be switching out a storm onyx ring with the freezing one before fighti...
wait im mistaken i have seal of filial duty
sick sentinel
your CPM for SS is 1.5 lower
all of your casts per minute in the previous key were higher
high basalt
am i wasting as much rage?
sick sentinel
some still, but you improved that alot so far
it was like, 800 of 5616, now it was 300 for 5100
check pins will be very honest and insightful
floral quarry
hey mates 🙂 i saw a list of spell-reflectables somewhere but i couldnt find it anymore could someone maybe help me out?
sick sentinel
if you want log reviews
he canges his name to whatever the new meme is
all of the yellow names you should take note of what they say
sweet summit
high basalt
thanks mate for doing this will have a good read up 🙂 for some reason i get over powered with rage i dont know what to do with it all so i i find my self spending moe time ip than ss and tc sometimes?