protection

[sick sentinel]

wow, if you have it, might as well equip Cold Frost Stone

[lone eagle]

Is plague good enough to beat Humming suddenly?

[sick sentinel]

goes brrrrrrrrr

like, if u have nothing else beter to put in

[solar sandal]

@signal shuttle go farm a whetstone out of CoS

[dusky canopy]

Nom will figure it out shit just got hotfixed

[signal shuttle]

and for second?

[dusky canopy]

Give it time

[solar sandal]

you can pretty much use w/e you want i guess

[lone eagle]

Plague got a 72% buff and can crit now

[solar sandal]

idol, blaze, puzzle box

[solar sandal]

kinda depends on what you want it to do

[lone eagle]

Thats massive esp in m+

[uneven mason]

So if you're struggling with snap aggro there are a few things in the IV build that'll trip you up, but it's probably a execution thing

[sick sentinel]

i think we are over looking the blantantly obivous

[dusky canopy]

Yo they buffed storm by 34%

Holy shit

[sick sentinel]

wtf

[lone eagle]

Plague got 72% and can crit

Which is net almost a 100% buff with decent crit

[uneven mason]

Spies

[signal shuttle]

it seems so, I will use berserker stance from now on and use dragon > ravager

[mighty valley]

Discord rogues have nothing to live for but numbers

They were born theorycrafting and they'll die theorycrafting

[signal shuttle]

@uneven mason thank you so much for your insight tho I really appreciate it 🙂 and one last question, what should I craft after lariat?

[mighty valley]

Shield if you don't have a big one yet

[signal shuttle]

kk, will keep that in mind thank y'all guys 🙂

[dusky canopy]

The rogue class developer is actually quite active in the rogue discord I’ve had discussions with him myself and I’m just a rando who lurks in the class discords im not a community figure in any way

So my guess is there were discussions in DMs

[solar sandal]

lol with the buffs to pestilent plague (along with crit modifier) and storm infused, any chance we run some all aoe stones for m+?

[strong forum]

k with this my pin is gone

[dusky canopy]

Before announcement

[strong forum]

cuz the interaction is clearly intended

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I would agree with that

They would have fixed it right then and there

[old sinew]

Thundering buffed 34% widens the gap. Hmm. And now Pestilent is in the mix as well.

[solar sandal]

freezing ice for 3rd stone then?

can that proc on multiple guys at once?

[dusky canopy]

Yeah rogues got it going on for sure

Ravenholdt and skyhold are my favorite class discords by far

Yeah def wait on sims

[old sinew]

Humming is nerfed. Because it didn’t gain damage and ppm of blood is reduced. It may still be Best but I’m not sure. Other gems can prod more frequently for pwar without relying on blood procing them.

Other tanks with more consistent activators of magic damage are likely getting better value than we can, even with all of the activators

[kind estuary]

ima wait for one of you smarty pants to tell me what to do

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[strong forum]

likely storm now for m+ over humming cuz 34% buff is huge

but in ST still humming + combo

[dusky canopy]

I mean shit nom just did 11% in that last SS with humming

That’s huge

Well yeah I think that’s the whole point

[strong forum]

theyre not huge enough

[dusky canopy]

These are suppose to last until mythic 10.1 rings

They need more to do that ofc

But at least there isn’t much debate now

When your only upgrades come from weekly vault items like this are awesome

[kind estuary]

So what are the new ST/Raid gems?

ok so we have a guy on it

Ill wait patiently

[dusky canopy]

If you are dead set on optimizing you wait for the orange man to pin something

[old sinew]

Orange man… good?

[dusky canopy]

We like orange man

[kind estuary]

ORANGE MAN!

[slate pine]

So is the ring werth it bois and if so.. which stones?

8D so much info I’m confused

[undone verge]

Gems or no what’s the verdict

[old sinew]

Assume the ring is worth it. The question is which layout do we use

[slate pine]

Also 415 ilvl warrior here, I know it’s not max.. but I just feel like my damage is absolute shit. My 400 ilvl prot pala does 50k in 15s and I’m struggling to break 43k in a 18

[safe tundra]

Everyone is confused until new sims go up

I came here to peep as well to see if war ones were up

[dusky canopy]

Press more button

It always come down to that

If you have a log

Post it here

Everyone who Hangs around here likes to dissect logs

[safe tundra]

Comparing m+ to m+ is a lil sus unless you play with the same group

And it’s the same dungeon

[lone eagle]

What do you think about Plague?

72% + ability to crit

[slate pine]

Heard that. I do not currently have one to post but I will get one soon for some evaluation. I do know I’m over haste cap which is unfortunate but

[lone eagle]

Is pretty massive

And I know some guides were recommending it before

[dusky canopy]

No you’re not

You want all the haste until like 7000

[slate pine]

I think my haste is sitting at 38%

[dusky canopy]

Perfect

[slate pine]

I read somewhere it was max 30 or something like that

[dusky canopy]

Nah

You want all the haste possible without dropping ilvl

[slate pine]

Gotcha

[strong forum]

BIG NO

caps*

[uneven mason]

Are you using defensive stance?

[strong forum]

but just wait for isms

[fresh igloo]

Humming Arcane Stone - 20 second ICD added.
lol

[dusky canopy]

Pheww

Dodged that bullet

[solar sandal]

Oof

[sleek echo]

so is humming and desirous + prophetic dead?

[solar sandal]

So not quite working as intended lol

[dusky canopy]

Most likely yup

[sick sentinel]

wish was granted, man is prophet see the future

[dusky canopy]

In orange man we trust

[uneven mason]

We won't know until people stop pinging Nom and the man can finish the simc update

[sick sentinel]

i heard he's being arrested in approx 2 more weeks

they just can't nail him down till then

[dusky canopy]

Bruh lmao

Easter jokes

[solar sandal]

Big sad lol

[uneven mason]

Burh

[dusky canopy]

[dusky canopy]

Humming proccing off healing and damage is probably intended. It was just proccing way to often clearly.. by that nerf

[quartz fern]

Well 20s ICD makes that gem useless lmao

[dusky canopy]

Literally

[quartz fern]

Like it may as well have been deleted

[agile elbow]

^

[quartz fern]

Kinda unfair that other gems don't have one but it has a 20s one

[unkempt sparrow]

Pretty confident blizzard has no idea what they’re doing at this point with the ring

[prisma crane]

does rolling periodic mean that it stacks or refreshes?

[quartz fern]

It's like Punish (the talent)

Like it applies different instances of it

afaik

[dusky canopy]

Yeah stacking but new stacks don’t refresh old stacks

[prisma crane]

got it thanks

[uneven mason]

"overlaps" is the term

[solar sandal]

With this many changes and values this high, you gotta wonder if anyone at blizz actually tried any of the stones 😂

[grizzled kite]

they nuked their QA team so prolly not

[uneven mason]

They changed philosophy

[dusky canopy]

What I don’t understand is

Why in the hell

Do they have to buff them twice 1 hr apart?

Like can you do maths?

[uneven mason]

Like literally early interviews said this was going to be a fun item for people who do world content

[undone verge]

they buff it, then decide it wasnt enough, so they buff it again

[uneven mason]

And now it's "this should be near bis until mythic raid gear in 10.1"

[old sinew]

🐌

[sick sentinel]

i think if it stays border line overpowered until next major patch 10.2 thats fine

has its time that everyone goos and gahs at it

[dusky canopy]

[sick sentinel]

then its over

[uneven mason]

I think borrowed power is bad and this is them plowing out another slippery slope.

[dusky canopy]

Imo this ring is just fine

It’s easy to get

The gems are easy to farm

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/8tE9GLh.png

uhm

[dusky canopy]

The upgrades are not time gated

[strong forum]

storm is good guys

play storm

[fossil cosmos]

here we go with the borrowed power, next in 10.1 we will need to get ring + amu and special cape

takes 10 years to get an alt going

[rotund cliff]

how did you make the stones in one bar on details?

[fossil cosmos]

[strong forum]

script

[sick sentinel]

TOTTALLLLLY wont get hot fixed nerfed

[old sinew]

This is easy enough to get and a cool little burst of power. Borrowed power isn’t bad, mandatory multi week grinds are bad

[dusky canopy]

Borrowed power is only ever an issue when it’s hard time gated

[sick sentinel]

completely balanced

[strong forum]

Details.OverridedSpellIds[403225] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[404974] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[405220] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[405221] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[405209] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403391] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[404911] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[404941] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403087] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403273] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403171] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[405235] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403381] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[405118] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403408] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403336] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403392] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403376] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403253] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403257] = 404884

[oak echo]

oh good got here just in time to see some reddit-tier dooming

[strong forum]

this is script to combine ring procs

[gentle sand]

storm with what? the combo?

[strong forum]

desi and proph

[rotund cliff]

thanks

[charred moat]

Only aoe?

[dusky canopy]

No prob all cases now

[old sinew]

I made the right choice to upgrade these 3 gems. We are always winning 😏

[dusky canopy]

Since humming shit the bed

[modern relic]

wouldt fire stone be more dmg st then storm?

[potent gulch]

so they nerfing them in live

😭

[strong forum]

freezing should be more dps than humming in ST now

[dusky canopy]

Yeah just give it another 15 minutes

For the next hotfix

Apparently

[quartz fern]

Freezing with Prophetic/Desirous?

[strong forum]

ye

[errant oriole]

Hey why is prot pally being considered top tank vs warrior now? Sorry just an honest question.

[strong forum]

better group utility

[agile elbow]

Freezing/Proph/Des for ST it seems and Storm/Proph/Des for M+ ?

[dusky canopy]

Ye so far

[strong forum]

thats my initial assessment for now

have to wait for sims for aoe

but im confident in ST

[agile elbow]

Yeah.

[timber wasp]

I'm confused by this sim - why does it say everything is a downgrade?

[uneven mason]

I can imagine, boss man runs downstairs to qa and is like "who the fuck did the math on the......" And the only one in the room is a stray cat eating a leftover pizza from the Q&A session 3 weeks ago

Because expendable

[dusky canopy]

[errant oriole]

Oh ok thanks

[untold adder]

Ofc they buff right after i fully upgraded my ring LOL

[strong forum]

theyre not up to date on raidbots yet

[dusky canopy]

Yeah holding out until the weekend was definitely a good call

[timber wasp]

im about to upgrade.. what should I upgrade?

[strong forum]

wait for sims

will take like a day

[timber wasp]

I got 200 fragments

[untold adder]

New buffs are 1 hour old, give it some time

[strong forum]

oh

storm desirous and prophetic is good

[misty sail]

can you share your details script?

[strong forum]

scroll up

[timber wasp]

Should I 100% do desi and proph?

[misty sail]

idk how to add the list :/

[rose quarry]

which m+ trinket is good along with whetstone? is alchemy trinket an option?

[strong forum]

its what im using

[dusky canopy]

Yes

[timber wasp]

Perf thanks

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/DJkRGoA.png

[mortal brook]

storm desirous and prophetic is the best for all fights and situations straight bussin ong frfr no cap. you heard it first from Nomeratur

[hushed harbor]

If I don't have Diurna's ring, is the embelishment on frostfire belt still worth the 2nd slot or is one of the other embellishments a better choice?

[strong forum]

/roll 10

in that case

all embellishs are 1%

[dusky canopy]

Oh god

A bussin sayer

[strong forum]

ong frfr

[upper tinsel]

So with the 20 sec IDC , what do we use now ? Storm + + ?

[hushed harbor]

ok ty

[dusky canopy]

Excuse me sir you’re to old to say that like the majority of us

[fair grail]

Freezing for ST is likely

[dusky canopy]

[strong forum]

prolly freezing + desi + proph in ST

and storm + combo in m+

[solar sandal]

The buffs to plague not good enough?

[fair grail]

For right now this is a developing story

[strong forum]

plague was only good on 10 targets before

[dusky canopy]

“Breaking news”

[fair grail]

We will check back in soon for an update

[solar sandal]

Damn, was a cool one

[dusky canopy]

Buying hotfixes

10k

[granite pond]

Guys I know we should wait for updated sims but what if we didn't and instead spent the next 24 hours guessing wildly?

[dusky canopy]

Join the club

[fair grail]

Or just send it like me and now you have to wait until Tuesday if they change anything

[dusky canopy]

LUL

[sullen cipher]

guys why the fuck i feel so weak this weak did they change anything

[solar sandal]

How's the random casting one?

[slim dove]

nope

[granite pond]

Instructions unclear, upgrading mana regen stones

[sick sentinel]

greivous

Devs who worked on the tank earth gems seeing them all getting crushed for dps gems. In absolute shambles

[fair grail]

I think stones and grieftorch did 30% of my damage on Terros last night shield slam was 3rd fun stuff

[dusky canopy]

Put a shield on when you swap back to Prot

[sullen cipher]

xD no for real i was doing +20 till last week like chesse cake now my ass is getting wiped from earth xD

[dusky canopy]

B4 buffs

[fair grail]

Yup

[sullen cipher]

maybe healer problem kekw

[sick sentinel]

im just gunna keep using the pepega defensisve stones in my ring for now

If you ever die in raid as a tank just blame it on a missed taunt

They won’t have time to check the logs

at least the frost one, the frost ones not coming off

[fair grail]

Ignore the amount of torch casts but you get the picture

[solar sandal]

How is anything beating shield slam lol

[fair grail]

Why play warrior when you can just be your gear instead

[solar sandal]

Lol

[uneven mason]

Is suss

[uneven mason]

What's affixes

Because my brain doesn't work atm

[warped trellis]

was tyran, is now fort

always an adjustment

also grievous so healers have to play the game

[uneven mason]

Grievous

[sullen cipher]

griev + spit

[uneven mason]

Mmmm direct heals we have not

[frigid coral]

was that log with a humming arcane stone and if so was it before or after the nerf?

[uneven mason]

Yeah it's grievous

[fair grail]

Yeah this was my raid last night humming proh desi set up

I have 7 bosses

[timber wasp]

Hows this for a ring combo?

[uneven mason]

Always a shock to healers because they go from self sustaining tanks to wtf is that 14bstscks of

[frigid coral]

ah fair shame i did not get to play with that before the nerf seems like it would have been fun

[fair grail]

It did big dam

[sullen cipher]

i use this combo ring btw maybe we have to switch to the new shet

xD

[timber wasp]

Why not?

[fair grail]

I imagine the new combo might be the same or even more tbh

[sullen cipher]

so nothing i can do realy ? xD

[timber wasp]

That would be great if I had it / was doing mythic raiding?

[sullen cipher]

this comp is better than new ring i assume ?

i have the haste vers nokhud ring on 415 also

[solar sandal]

Is obscure good? remember that being higher highs, lower lows, but lookin like not worth it still?

[fair grail]

431 broodkeeper ring with socket out sims 415 JSoM with no socket I found out

[timber wasp]

Great if it would drop lol.

Havent seen it drop once in 6 runs

[uneven mason]

Remind your healer they actually need to cast spells on you this week

[timber wasp]

COS ring or trink not dropped from 35 COS so far

[tidal ocean]

Huge buff to our next tier eeeeh?

[fair grail]

“Huge”

[timber wasp]

Hows this for stat weighting though?

How?

Cool ty

[potent gulch]

it looks like they revered

icd on purple gem

on live

[opaque drum]

yo guys, wanna craft my second embellishment. frostfire belt or frostfire legs? i dont have eranog ring so dont need the belt to proc it. belt give me 2.5% on single target and legs 2.6% on aoe . dont know what to do xD

[solar sandal]

legs is so much mastery =/

[opaque drum]

yeah legs got wayyy to much mastery

[dusty monolith]

just found the primordeal gem balance changes, do we have intel if prophetic humming desirous is still the way to go?

[agile elbow]

Sims are still on-going. Please wait a few hours.

[cunning lodge]

how can i run a script on details guys?

[sick sentinel]

i think he can solo the dungeon hes talking about at 51 right?

[glad herald]

Nah homie it can be tricky if he doesn't know what he's doing

At low lvl

[dusty monolith]

yogi123 please go to off topic

[cinder storm]

You new here?

[sick sentinel]

i thought it was a weird request thats al

[dusky canopy]

This is the off topic

[dusty monolith]

well

[dusky canopy]

[dusty monolith]

😄

[dusky canopy]

Correction

[sick sentinel]

we could argue about what gem is best for rting

[dusky canopy]

WE are the topic

[cinder storm]

This is the meme channel

[dusky canopy]

We have fun here

[cinder storm]

[dusky canopy]

Non fun enjoyers find the door

[cunning lodge]

i found it guys 😄

[cyan escarp]

Anyone here knows how good the ring is for Prot warr ? 🙂

[sick sentinel]

besides work, why would you do something thats not fun

on purpose

[mighty valley]

in this channel we talk about checking the pins and whatever yogi feels like talking about

those are the two on-topics

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao

I remember when yogi first showed up a few years ago

Good times man good times

[glad herald]

Any dog pics in here tho?

[dusky canopy]

Uploading full vods and stuff for review

[cinder storm]

SL yogi was the best yogi

Then goldenthing yogi was a thing for a while

Best anime arc 10/10

[dusky canopy]

Yogi keeps the chat alive

When orange man doesn’t have new things to correct us on

[torpid fiber]

i understand this a prot discord but does anyone have a good rare tracker/timer addon to recommend?

[dusky canopy]

If you google “wow rare tracker”

You’ll get good results

[torpid fiber]

good talk

[cinder storm]

I have yet to do the new campaign, does it takes long?

[warm plinth]

nah

[cyan escarp]

I don't understand the Sims of the new ring in the pinned view does it mean it's Good or not ? 🙂

[dusky canopy]

Tldr “rare scanner”

[warm plinth]

I think it took me like 2 hours to do everything

everything meaning, from the start to having 424

Not like everything everything

[cinder storm]

Good to know

[crystal mauve]

Potentially good in single target depending on the gems setup (tuning dependant), not good for M+. The only way to have an exact answer is to sim yourself

[warm plinth]

We don't know anyway

They just sent out like 4 rounds of buffs to them

[sick sentinel]

time to see what that guy wants to me help him with

[cinder storm]

Don't lose your kidneys

[untold adder]

I just assume humming is gutted now

[dusky canopy]

Yep

Something like 2 or 3 blizz devs did math on stones at same time and then pushed hot fix 15 minutes apart without collaborating first

[sick sentinel]

i should be able to solo mechagon i think rightt, been a long time

[slim dove]

yogi for mod

[jade pulsar]

thanks 👍

[untold adder]

The buff to plague seems bonkers, question is if it's over too long time.

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[mighty valley]

unless there's a mechanic that explicitly ruins things for a solo player, any 5 player content from an expansion or more ago will be easily soloable for a prot warrior

[dusky canopy]

[slim dove]

give him stormforged idc

yogi is good vibes

[dusky canopy]

Word

[slim dove]

watching the man climb from 1400 to 2k was peak skyhold so far.

[quasi mulch]

so when are using the storming stone over the humming?

[tidal ocean]

Anyone else having trouble getting into keys? I'm 2990 and I hope that once I hit 3k more will open up D:

[untold adder]

When Sims are ready

I'm not gonna make top 0.1% anyway so who cares about keys over +20 anyway

[crystal mauve]

Had the same problem getting the last few points for 3k. I had to run my key until I got it (last week). I haven't tried to get into any groups yet but the best is probably to run you key to get past this threshold, keep it up friend! 🙂

[sullen cipher]

quick question so the new finger is better than everything els ?

[nimble scarab]

ppl are just obsessed w/ Prot paladin rn don’t take it personally

[untold adder]

In 3-4 additional hotfixes they are fo'sho'

[crystal mauve]

The previous 7539 message are about this, quick answer, we don't know yet until they are in their final forms (balance wise at least).

[uneven mason]

Bruh

[dull vine]

Storm Infused Stone/Prophetic Twilight Stone/Flame Licked Stone isnt the recomend for MT at this moment?

[untold adder]

Sim it

[nimble scarab]

rip unstable elementiums

[sullen cipher]

i fucking ussed all my shets on wrong ones then

lol

[nimble scarab]

see u next week kek

[slim dove]

☝️

[dull vine]

Yea

This will be ok to focus in 2 week

[warped trellis]

save all your elementiums and check back 20 minutes before your next raid, if you're not raiding just sit on your hands for a couple of days

[dull vine]

Blizzard and this s***s mechanics

[paper herald]

I'm doing M rasz prog and still not gonna use ring yet. Half my guild is out mats and it's a mess atm.

[sick sentinel]

was only heroic he wanted to do, so it wasn't even a problem

completed it maybe 10 minutes max

[potent gulch]

thats looks like true ;-D

[summer marsh]

can anyone tell me why simming has these 2 trinkets as being best for me? (from m+ , at 415 ilvl). I thought i've read here before that welp shell isnt that great?

and 2nd one is dragon games equipment, which ive tried and also didnt feel that great

[strong forum]

just means your trinkets are ass

[warped trellis]

the #1 thing I want my tank doing in a key is jittering all over the dungeon trying to kick balls into mobs for a 1% damage upgrade

[upper tinsel]

Any way to farm primordial fragments once you opened the whole vault ?

[strong forum]

nop

[dusky canopy]

Bruh

[upper tinsel]

Rip

[dusky canopy]

[novel glade]

actually

[summer marsh]

true but the sim is saying these are the 2 best trinkets out of all m+ trinkets

[novel glade]

thats not true

[slim dove]

you can get them from rares.

and boxes/satchels

[novel glade]

you can kill the primoridal storm boss who drops an item for 1 stone

[summer marsh]

sorry i shouldve clarified, thats the droptimizer sim

[nimble scarab]

get this person a whetstone

[novel glade]

but the spawn rate on that mob is trash

[strong forum]

hoof and whetstone are the best m+ trinkets

raid ones are better than those 2

[summer marsh]

thanks for the info

[summer marsh]

fuck you

[uneven mason]

Bruh

[upper tinsel]

rip 20 fragments

[uneven mason]

Sad trombone sounds

[dusky canopy]

Ques the “WHAT IS YOUR NAME” meme

This guy said fuck you lmao

[uneven mason]

Right

[dusky canopy]

Get outta here rando

[toxic pewter]

Jesus wtf blizzard doing with this ring and stones yikes

[dusky canopy]

Live ptr

[toxic pewter]

Awkward as hell

[quartz fern]

I can't help but feel like this is an overall nerf to the ring which was already in a somewhat questionable state

[strong forum]

for ST dmg in raid yes

for m+ its a buff

[sick sentinel]

they have no idea what they want the ring to be

[sullen cipher]

cant find Obscure Pastel Stone what the fuck is it

[dusky canopy]

All I know is arch takes the cake with his joke in the SS above

Lmao

[toxic pewter]

That’s how it seems but the entire situation is confusing

[dusky canopy]

Haven’t had a good laugh out loud in a while

[quartz fern]

I feel like they should just add the ability to put a missive on it

It'd accomplish what they want

Then nobody would care this much about gem balance

[sick sentinel]

i mean, i dunno, whateveer

somebody will work it out

[quartz fern]

Key term "this much"

Like the usefulness of the ring depends ENTIRELY on gem balance

As it is rn

[sick sentinel]

i have an OKAY gem set up in my rings going on

im not gunna turn into a ragey noooooooooo my nature gem wasn't the right one and now i don't have enough resouces to buy a nothter.... noooooo rreeeeeee

[hybrid gust]

does tank dmg matter that much? there are somegood defensive stones

[nimble scarab]

yes

[outer wave]

where is a good place for information regarding bis gems to put in new ring for prot?

[quartz fern]

It's been proven you don't need the defensive gems as people have done the content without them before so

Just get more damage

It's late patch

[proud patrol]

Pins or nomeratur mentioned that he's running "storm desirous and prophetic" before

[strong forum]

so

[quartz fern]

Yeah it's pretty fuckin dumb that it's changing like every 12 hours

[dusky canopy]

Do you want a tank in your group to do 70k overall or 30k ?

[quartz fern]

Or 2 today

[hybrid gust]

im gonna wait till next week

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/none-of-my-business-tea-kermit-frog-gif-5084362

[slim dove]

30k so i can pad harder as boomkin

duh

[dusky canopy]

Boomie ramping until next week

Remember

[strong forum]

Freezing + Prophetic + Desirous best ST
pestilence plague is sim bait so we dont play that in m+
Storm + Prophetic + Desirous best Aoe but Storm Infused can !Ninjapull!
(for now)

[slim dove]

shut up the class is fun

[dusky canopy]

[sick sentinel]

are the changes live

[slim dove]

yes

[strong forum]

it assumes full uptime and full usage of each dot

[agile elbow]

This constant fluctuating just makes it annoying to try to actually get enough resources to get said gems /and/ upgrade them once you've completed the vault and RNG hasn't been kind.

[sick sentinel]

when did they do that

[strong forum]

when in reality it can bounce to targets that die or are immune

[sick sentinel]

weird

[strong forum]

wasting it

[slim dove]

if fucking moonfire just naturally cleaved like sunfire the spec would be insane for aoe

[dusky canopy]

I keep saying it

Wait until the weekend

[slim dove]

instead it takes 30 seconds to ramp every pull and does DOGshit ST

[upper tinsel]

How long till the next hotfix, make your bets.

[hard dust]

3 mins

[sick sentinel]

2 more weeks

[dusky canopy]

Dude they need to make this a talent option

This would be insanely good

[dusky canopy]

My bet is they announce next reset patch notes Sunday or Monday

[slim dove]

the 2x cleave is already a talent, should be baseline + talent is 12yd cleave

like im coping here but idk why locks get to do giga st AND aoe AND be the tankiest dps spec in the game but chickens are over here with a ramp time longer then our patch cycle with garbage ST and mediocre defensives

[dusky canopy]

Exactly my thoughts on the matter

Chickens cool man

They should buff it up

Make it aoe harder and st harder

Give it burst aoe instead of ramp

Nobody digs ramp

[sick sentinel]

raiders do

tyranical

[slim dove]

the spec does pretty well in high keys, like 22+, but in low keys it feels like such dog

[sick sentinel]

thats about it

big elites like the wind dude in AA

ramp has use, but not often

[dusky canopy]

It’s not really useful

It just the same amount of damage that takes longer to happen

[crystal mauve]

It’s cool to have different ways of playing the game too, if every spec is just a copy paste with different visuals it will get boring real quick. Also we won’t be able to constantly complain 😏

[dusky canopy]

Tru

Complaincraft

[slim dove]

No burst aoe is fine, it doesn't need to be like ret pressing 3 buttons to spike 300k on pulls.

But having a ramp time as comically long as it does is stupid.

And pushes away new players to the spec.

[dusky canopy]

They could leave chicken alone except for making all the dots apply to multi targets

And the spec would get better imo

[rapid forum]

Quick question, is it worth taking Strike Twice or just picking a socket? Just doing prot warrior as like an fun alt in 21-23s and don't raid at all on it

[sick sentinel]

me after next spark when i have haste alch thingy

[jagged pier]

as strike twice is bis

its not worth the socket

[sick sentinel]

gunna be swimming in potions

[rapid forum]

Thanks

[outer wave]

is the new ring worth running in high keys?

[sick sentinel]

yeah, it does insane damge right now

id say but get second opinion too

[proud patrol]

anybody with a recommendation for full defense ring for fucking tjs? freezing ice stone i guess?

[sick sentinel]

cold frost stone does the most healing

[proud patrol]

oh yea thats what i meant ^^

[sick sentinel]

does 50% of IP healing on a 0/ +2 overall for dungeon

[proud patrol]

okay ill put that one in

[crystal mauve]

But does it take damage before IP and thus inflating the healing or does it share the damage with IP?

[glad herald]

Filial duty + interrupt gem and absorb shield fire thorns gem?

Must have some decent feedback loop absorbs, particularly when IP also procs fire thorns

[strong forum]

i cant recommend using the healing or absorb gems

[glad herald]

Fire damage procs filial duty, filial duty procs fire thorns which gem, which can proc filial duty

They just no good?

[strong forum]

you can do it for fun, but its not rly good

you have the option between doing 8k dps, or get 2khps shield every now and again

youre better off with a stat ring over the defensive gems

[proud patrol]

what combination are you currently playing? still storm desirous and prophetic?

[strong forum]

yes

is pretty good

[proud patrol]

wtf

my storming defo does a lot of dmg but desirous isnt doing that much for me

[wet fable]

that is some good shit on toast!

[strong forum]

its the combination

that makes it rock

desirous procs prophetic which procs storm or desirous

prophetic + desirous doubles proc rates of the 3rd gem

[proud patrol]

guess i didnt fully understand that

makes sense

[errant leaf]

where do you get prophetic

i mean

i what box

[glad herald]

What crit % do you have for this Nom?

[patent gorge]

Socketed stones don’t need to be in an exact order correct?

[lone eagle]

Currently there's an OP healing gem combo

[strong forum]

28

[lone eagle]

Healers are starting to catch wind of it but it works pretty well on non healers

prob not necessary for us

[strong forum]

healing

when you can get dmg

[lone eagle]

gem combo is doing ~20k hps

[crystal mauve]

But what if…. You don’t need healer anymore??

[lone eagle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/31#metric=hps&search=abilities.405235.403071|items.203460

^ logs with that gem combo

[jagged pier]

who cares about hps

[proud patrol]

why the wind sculpted stone?

[mighty valley]

gonna run speed stones in nothing content, just zoom

no i'm not

i'm gonna do damage

[round pendant]

sacrifice the damage from rings to make up for bad play with hps

🤔

[lone eagle]

It is a "Nature" effect

and it procs hwenever you move

so it spam procs the Wild Spirit Stone

22k hps for moving around occasionally

[proud patrol]

thats wild

[lone eagle]

Notably on M Rasz

[sick sentinel]

i cant wait to see what this shit does to MDI

[lone eagle]

the most healing intensive parts are absorb shields in p1.5 when dodging breaths

and tempest wings in p2

[sick sentinel]

will mdi teams have access to ring for the up coming event

[strong forum]

that combo should already be fixed

[lone eagle]

and to an extent, some healing output while dodging around in p2.5 due to low uptime

[strong forum]

it did 40k hps

if you include overhealing

thats not ok

[lone eagle]

lmao

[strong forum]

yeah thats not gonna survive

[lone eagle]

It probably won't

[strong forum]

thats beyond out of line

[lone eagle]

They'll probably throw an ICD on the heal

[strong forum]

ye

[lone eagle]

question is does it make it through tonight's Thursday M Rasz prog before it gets fixed

I'm banking on no

[strong forum]

im surprised if it still works rn

[serene yew]

In m+ does.it matter when we ravager?

[strong forum]

on cd

[prisma crane]

hey do you have the script thing for details to stack the stone dmg? noticed you did that similar to the totem

[lone eagle]

on CD and a lot of people will use it while they charge

[strong forum]

Details.OverridedSpellIds[404974] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[405220] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[405221] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[405209] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403391] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[404911] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[404941] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403087] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403273] = 404884
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403171] = 404884 
Details.OverridedSpellIds[405235] = 404884 
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403381] = 404884 
Details.OverridedSpellIds[405118] = 404884 
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403408] = 404884 
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403336] = 404884 
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403392] = 404884 
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403376] = 404884 
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403253] = 404884 
Details.OverridedSpellIds[403257] = 404884

[prisma crane]

ty!

[frigid socket]

See people going for Vers, but the #268491842637660160 Say's Haste/Crit prio?

[sick sentinel]

try with plz

oh wait icd

[jade pulsar]

the one u had for thunderous roar was also rly nice, didnt know u could do that

[vagrant ridge]

Hey all, so is the new ring worth? I mostly do M+ (20+ keys), if yes, what gems should I be aiming for?

[median tulip]

Some people haven't updated their expectations of stat priority from what it was in SL yet. You do need some Vers and Mastery though.

[strong forum]

i didnt even notice that that one worked

cuz a few weeks prior it didnt

[sick sentinel]

its currently bugged and broken overpowerd

so used it while you can i guess

[high basalt]

@sick sentinel https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kc3Jtpx8HwA79rCa/#fight=last

[vagrant ridge]

Cool, which gems?

[strong forum]

not even bugged

[sick sentinel]

there we go, he wanted us to look at his logs

[strong forum]

at this point its intended

[frigid socket]

From a base, what would stat weight look like to you?

[sick sentinel]

all of them lol

[strong forum]

since they didnt touch it

[median tulip]

Thank you for this, it worked perfectly

[quartz fern]

What % is Freezing Ice doing for you on ST?

Just curious

[sick sentinel]

they bufed everything by minimum 12% some shit up to 72%

[median tulip]

My secondaries are (roughly) in the ratio 3:2:1:1 H:C:V:M

[strong forum]

didnt use it yet

[dense coral]

whats this?

[high basalt]

@sick sentinel yes please mate see why my dmg so low i did my best then in acadmy 42k in 13 still low though

[strong forum]

this scrip combines all gem dmg effects into 1 graph on details

[dense coral]

ohh nice

[quartz fern]

Is Storm doing a decent amount on ST then?

[sick sentinel]

887 wasted SS rage of 5616

[quartz fern]

Or is it just cleave damage

[strong forum]

storm is only good on 2+ targets

[quartz fern]

That's what I thought

[strong forum]

but on st its fineish

its 1k dps less than freezing

[sick sentinel]

u wasted nearly 1000 rage from just that attack, u could have done IP revenge or SB to fuel AM

[serene yew]

Do we ever use the violent outburst proc with thunder clap?

[strong forum]

if you have high target count and high rage currently and no prio dmg target

on 5+

[sick sentinel]

casts per minute is hard for me to gauge though, i always struggle with that part of reading logs

[strong forum]

otherwise, aim to use it on SS

[serene yew]

Okay

[quartz fern]

It's better to wait a couple seconds to use it on SS afaik

[strong forum]

1-2gcds

if you have to wait

but if you can fish for SS reset with revenge, do so

[lone eagle]

did ~2.5k hps in the hpal log

in comparison the other one did 19k

so decent and more balanced/reasonable

[round pendant]

So they fixed the weird interaction with those gems proccing eachother right?

[lone eagle]

but your third gem is small potatoes compared to the primary two

[lone eagle]

Not really, they just nerfed the humming one iirc

[round pendant]

I really wish Blizzard would just make this shit work on release so I didn't have to follow 50 different hotfixes and bugs

[lone eagle]

In single target we're looking at what would replace humming which preliminary sims seem to say freezing so far in single target

[high basalt]

@sick sentinel so mainly im wasting rage then? whaat is my cast per min mate? thanks for this

[vale ravine]

I had my humming stone doing almost 22% of my damage earlier

[frigid socket]

Anyone else having issues with healers this week in Mythic+ ?

[strong forum]

its been barely tested

[hybrid gust]

wouldnt flame-licked be good for ring proc?

[strong forum]

flame slightly worse

its alright, but freezing performs better

[warm plinth]

We already have belt for ring proc

[sick sentinel]

CPM casts per minute is how many times you hit SS or revenge for examples, per minute

[warm plinth]

no need to complicate it

[hybrid gust]

but more fire more proc

[warm plinth]

No

[strong forum]

you saturate eranog ring already by 80%

[high basalt]

yeah how many is mine mate?

[strong forum]

getting max 200 more dps from eranog ring

over using the better gem

[hybrid gust]

i dont have eranog ring

[strong forum]

doesnt perform that well

yeah then why care

over fire procs

[sick sentinel]

did anybody with fire gear test out an all fire build, or somewhat fire build, like one had it turns to chaos dmg

[sullen cipher]

@strong forum for siming for m+ we should choose 3 trget 1 min or 5 target 1.30 min

[sick sentinel]

i have it in my bags maybe, didnt use it

[sullen cipher]

sry about tht random question i was just woundering

[strong forum]

min 5 target

a 3 target sim is whack

but make sure to disable bloodlust

you wont use bloodlust on a 5 target pull

[warm plinth]

WHAT

You don't lust 5 targets?

Underachiever smfh

[potent gulch]

the new frost one give me +300 dps comparred to pre-nerf arcane. what the fuck they are doing?

[sullen cipher]

yea so 5 target 1.3 min

[high basalt]

@sick sentinel how many casts per min was i on my log mate?

[strong forum]

smth along those lines

[sick sentinel]

it says casts top of the log at the right

on the grey bar

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kc3Jtpx8HwA79rCa/#fight=last&type=casts&source=5

im not sure what those casts per minute SHOULD be, but yellows will say higher than what is displayed

thats part of what i've learned

[warm plinth]

lots of wasted rage too

[strong forum]

70+

[sick sentinel]

i pointed out the SS wasted (5616 v 887)

because thats first thing i thought to look at was rage

[hollow oxide]

which stones i use for tthe ring

ty

[main wasp]

[shrewd grove]

Where do I put this?

[shrewd grove]

Nom, I just want you to know how much you are appreciated in this community. You are wildly helpful

Thank you

[strong forum]

[warm plinth]

Question: is there any concern about the defensive value lost from the lack of secondaries when using the annulet? I'm not sure how much that really affects us from a defensive stance since that's kind of hard to say.

[strong forum]

no

[warm plinth]

I didn't think so but wanted to be sure

[uncut thunder]

Would you mind posting your Details Run code text for both the ring and All-Totem?

[unkempt rover]

So flame licked, frozen, and pestilent gem at 424 added 7.5% to overall dps in a 20

[strong forum]

all totem is in pins

[unkempt rover]

Pre nerf*

[strong forum]

the other one you can jsut find by scrolling up

[unkempt rover]

Pre buff* lmao

[strong forum]

cba polluting

the buffs already happened

[unkempt rover]

Excited to see how much they do post buff

[strong forum]

theyre active

for like 3hrs

[unkempt rover]

I mean I did the 20yesterdsy

[strong forum]

how much dps did you do

[unkempt rover]

Pre buff it was a 7.5% increase

[strong forum]

cuz 7.5% of 40k isnt much

[unkempt rover]

Would have to check

[uncut thunder]

thanks

[strong forum]

7.5% of 100k, is alright

[unkempt rover]

It was 57k in 20 temple

[strong forum]

meh

[knotty vortex]

is swapping out humming for storming still the besst as in the pins now

[strong forum]

thats liike 4k dps

not really relevating

[unkempt rover]

Again, pre buff so who knows

[strong forum]

pestilence also oversims

[knotty vortex]

i was looking at a ss where there was a combo of a pally mitigating 99.% dmg

[strong forum]

but you can check the combos for yourself in pins

[unkempt rover]

Pest was lower than the other two

[uncut thunder]

What would the Header be like? "-- combine Onyx Annulet" ??

[strong forum]

yeah pest does fuckall

[unkempt rover]

Seems under whelming

[strong forum]

thats irrelevant

thats only for you

doesnt do anything for the details name

[uncut thunder]

ah gotcha thanks

[unkempt rover]

Which gem we running now?

Keys mostly

[strong forum]

mentioned in pins

[low kindle]

Pre buff the Twilight + Desirous + Storm infused was doing like 8k for me in a NO

[strong forum]

but its storm + prophetic + desirous

[prisma crane]

side note to all this gem talk, they needed to just give the item a unique "pouch" to hold the gems so we can just swap as we want without 20 extra bag items

[warm plinth]

Return of the keyring

[strong forum]

storm can however ninjapull

so beware of that

if you want to avoid that, run freezing instead of storm

[unkempt rover]

Nice

[strong forum]

but aoe combos without storm arent worth over a normal ring

[unkempt rover]

Waste all my upgrades on current gems

Only to have to wear new gems now

[low kindle]

yeah it was bouncing to pack from so far away lmfao

[strong forum]

small caveat

storm combo is only 1.8% increase over melandrus in m+

*assuming you play pwar almost to perfection

[plain vapor]

why is pestilent sim bait

[warm plinth]

Because the dot isn't always going to tick the full duration

But the sim assumes it will

[strong forum]

cuz it bounces from target to target, in sims it assumes full tick duration on every target

but if it bounces to a smallie that dies

dot gone

0 dmg done

[plain vapor]

interesting thanks

[sick sentinel]

ill try this

the details thing

[plain turtle]

god this is mandatory at this point

[dapper vapor]

Anyone else having issues with the chain room in the vault

I pulled a couple of them down and they just faded out of existence

[sick sentinel]

my quick sim only says 35k dps

im confused

[loud crow]

Is there a different combination of gems for single target now that the humming stone was nerfed]

[sick sentinel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xoXss2swWvAwq7T5D9Wy6u

seems really low

ring sucks, but i can get better gems

[loud crow]

Freezing single target, storm infused aoe then?

[sick sentinel]

what do i change then

simulation option?

[strong forum]

You need to sim nightly build

Not weekly

You simmed gems from pre-buff and pre-full implementation

[sick sentinel]

and then what for timer

[strong forum]

For St 5min 1target

All buffs

[sick sentinel]

need to look up how to get more keys tbh

it says i did 11 doors so far

[warm plinth]

Do you have any of the currency @sick sentinel

the overflux or w/e the hell it's called

[loud crow]

You can spend elemental overflow

[jade pulsar]

im sorry if this has been answered already but is it possible to raidbots with the hotfixes yet in nightly?

[sick sentinel]

19k

[warm plinth]

Go to the renown vendors in the village

And the left-most one sells sack of oddities

It can have keys in it

[loud crow]

Roughly a 40% chance at a key

[inland hornet]

oh shit

[glad herald]

Dope

Ty

[warm plinth]

They also usually have a bunch of overflow too so you can usually buy more if you already have a bit

[loud crow]

Yeah you can get anywhere from 2-3500 overflow back per sack

[warm plinth]

I got 2 once and nothing else and was like

[loud crow]

Last one I opened had 2

[warm plinth]

But at least it has only happened once so far XD

[loud crow]

Mmhmm. Got 34xx on one.

[warm plinth]

I had one that had a key +3k which was pretty nice

free bag

[loud crow]

Mmhmm, bag and a half.

[warm plinth]

yeah took me like 2 hours or something

To get 424 ring

Honestly the rares made me annoyed a lot at first

[shrewd grove]

This whole expansion just feels like Blizz taking feedback to heart finally

[warm plinth]

Because the cave entrances are not always very intuitively located

[loud crow]

Ran an alt train that I had no intention of putting a ring on, opened every zskera vault in 40 minutes.

xD

[warm plinth]

Especially the warden cave

Because you have to go through all those elites

[shrewd grove]

Yeah... idk who told the Blizz devs that was a good idea. "We'll put the rare marker right on top of them, but the entrance will be behind a bunch of elites under an overhang that you can't see from above, and it's located 600 yards from the rare on a different side of the mountain"

[warm plinth]

Sadly after gathering for a while earlier in the expansion, we're probably a ways off of that.

Even the gathering nodes on the minimap would show that they were above ground until you got closer to them

And then turn gray

It's probably mrzeon99's fault

[vocal flame]

so using the new ring with all those stones overcome the loss of all the secondary stats on the rings we have?

[warm plinth]

I'm just kidding mrzeon. I just saw you typing and decided to pick on you

[cunning knot]

I bought 10 and only got 1 key rip

[copper galleon]

Hey guys, im not really great with macros, any idea how to setup a macro to use my wrecking throw on the Flamesworn Herald on Mythic Raszageth intermission 1?

D:

[sick sentinel]

for science

not so many keys

thats that results of 10 boxes

[warm plinth]

Uh,

#showtooltip
/cast [target=Flamesworn Herald]Wrecking Throw

Probably?

[warm plinth]

keys for days

[sick sentinel]

okay, thats another 6 bags and 3 keys

[copper galleon]

🙏 ty

[wheat bronze]

That won't work

[sick sentinel]

20 sacks contained 6 keys

and i got 12k back by opening 10 for 20k

[wheat bronze]

You would need to do

#showtooltip Wrecking Throw
/tar Flamesworn Herald
/cast Wrecking Throw

[warm plinth]

fair enough

@copper galleon ^

[uncut thunder]

For us smooth brains is there any good articles or YT that shows the mini puzzles of the new vault?

[unborn vigil]

Weekly

[shrewd grove]

If you really want to make it slick you could add a new line with /targetlasttarget after the wrecking throw

[wheat bronze]

You really probably don't want to since the tank is usually assigned to also kicking the cast

[shrewd grove]

This is why I use focus macros. Just easier

[copper galleon]

gotcha, thanks

[sick sentinel]

@shrewd grove i full cleared vault and only got 40

also didnt even get the desirious or prophetic

which is very irritatin

[warm plinth]

You can just shatter the gems you don't need and buy more chances

[sick sentinel]

true but

i dont wanan do that until i haeve 60 set aside

so when i get them i can uopgrade

ya i just shatteredmy doubles

and realized you get 6

which i didnt know

[vale ravine]

same

can we get the stone family tokens from key farming ?

[serene yew]

Do I drop my cos ring or eranog ring for the annulet? Both same ilvl and I mostly do m+

[kind estuary]

any updates since the pin?

Freezing proph desi?

[dapper vapor]

Why'd they just drop a nerf for the healing stones...?

Were those secretly good

[vale ravine]

I dont have Eranog so I dropped the Nokhud ring

[slim dove]

yes

15%ish for my 401 rdruid

with wild/exuding/deluge

[kind estuary]

why is freezing better than flame licked?

[sick sentinel]

just got desirious and prophetic from breaking the extras down and buying necromantic/shadow

@vale ravine

also have tons of upgrade mats now definitely is the play

[dusky canopy]

Cuz math

[dapper vapor]

Better to be cool than hot

[vale ravine]

nice

[kind estuary]

fair enough

[shrewd grove]

Storm > Both

[sick sentinel]

ya i would say if your missing those gems to do that for sure

[kind estuary]

Not according to sims @shrewd grove for ST

[shrewd grove]

I know, but in my heart

I gotta get another ring so I can get my raid ring set up for next week

[jade pulsar]

atm desirous and prophetic overlap in both ST and MT though, so if ur running a second ring you're gonna have to double up x)

[shrewd grove]

I actually got doubles of both, thankfully

[jade pulsar]

i hope they add some sort of item where u can change wherever, or at least in valdrakken

annoying af going back and forth

[cinder storm]

How did blizz managed to create 3 awesome designs -the primordial aspects- and yet we had the jailer, goes to show that when they want to they deliver

[dapper vapor]

Are they that awesome

I'm looking forward to the old god stuff and the infinite dragons

They're better now they've got biped forms, Raszageth really felt like a 2nd to last boss since she was a big lightning monster with ridic voice lines

[kind estuary]

@cinder storm its actually 2 diff development teams. So the team that brought you shadowlands also brought you Legion, the team that brought you BFA is the team that brought you dragonflight. Each team develops on a 4 year development cycle

at least thats how it was explained to me by someone who works at blizz

[shrewd grove]

Give engineering a mechanism that they can sell. 5 charges and it lets you swap gems in your ring

[cinder storm]

BfA was my fav xpac so no wonder then

[shrewd grove]

Would give the poor Engis something to craft finally, instead of JCs getting everything this xpac

[dapper vapor]

They do really love JCs

[shrewd grove]

And they hate engineers

[dense coral]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/primordial-stone-tuning-for-march-23rd-blizzard-blue-post-332087

🤣

[chilly brook]

You poor poor soul

BfA was pretty booty outside of raids, SL was just sad

Legion was pog

[coarse star]

Just give my Nitroboost not inclusive with Potions CDs and I will be happy with Engineering not making any money.

[cinder storm]

Never been much of a raider myself, I've played every xpac since wrath for a bit but bfa was the first to actually hook me up

[turbid shuttle]

is there any reason to upgrade your prophetic stone?

[dusk wadi]

Anyone got any tips on Piercing shards in AV? Been melting me all week

[quartz fern]

Other than the Stam no

Not as far as I can tell

[mighty valley]

work with the team to stun as many as you can, otherwise, CDs including spell block

[marble cipher]

spell reflect and spell block are your friends, after stuns have been used (or before, whatever floats your boat)

[rotund junco]

any CC not just stuns 🙂 Intim Shout is pretty strong to take in AV

[lone eagle]

Storm doing pretty good in keys right now

[marble cipher]

yeah, true, shoulda said cc in stead 😄

[lone eagle]

Trying to decide if I should run Frozen or Storm for M Rasz tonight

[dapper vapor]

Anyone given the defensive combos a try? Gleaming+Shining+Cold eg

[warped trellis]

why would we?

[dapper vapor]

Someone on the Paladin discord was talking about it, but I hadn't even considered them

Wanted to see if anyone's tried

[marble cipher]

I'm already giving up secondaries, no way am I giving up dps for absorbs that are smaller than an Ignore Pain 😄

or, were, they got buffed too I guess?

[turbid shuttle]

i tried briefly on my dh

[dapper vapor]

Well it's a combo of two absorbs + an AoE cleave that procs on those absorbs

[turbid shuttle]

the frost one gives a pretty reasonable amount of absorb

and the absorb explosion one gives a pretty decent amount of dam (like 5% of my overall)

[brisk vector]

do we go for the rings?

[uneven mason]

If it's less than a capped ip should probably redefine reasonable

[coarse flower]

ok my bros

Indomitable Earth Stone + Shining Obsidian Stone + Cold Frost Stone

🧢 or not 🧢

[old sinew]

can't find many keys on na to test it, just trying out a 23 CoS with the defense gems to see how it goes.

[uneven mason]

I think I might quit over this, too many combinations for my smooth brain

[coarse flower]

ya im curious if the absorbs are valuable enough to drop secondary stats over

for m+ scenarios; i guess it brings consistency but I'm losing damage for it

[turbid shuttle]

you get it for free every 20 seconds lmao

[marble cipher]

you're also losing defensives for it, and absorb value from Ignore Pain

[turbid shuttle]

not saying it's good, but if you run a key with it and look at how much it did, it's not too shabby

[marble cipher]

so, in general, I don't think the absorb stuff are a good choice, but by all means, test it out

[turbid shuttle]

I doubt it's worth overall

[old sinew]

raid night so no actual real 25s in queue, so why not do some science shit?

🤷‍♂️

[coarse flower]

we're capped on fragments weekly i guess, so if you upgrade the wrong stones this week you gotta wait till next reset to 'fix' your stone combination

[turbid shuttle]

can farm rares

I mean I guess that's a soft cap

but I haven't invested too much time and have 4 or 5 fully upgraded stones

[old sinew]

I have the good setup at 424 but I also happened to RNG into the defense gems and I have a second copy of the anulet to test meme shit with

[turbid shuttle]

getting a 2nd ring makes a lot of sense I didn't think about that

[coarse flower]

how much does a second ring cost?

[marble cipher]

10 iirc of those primordial ash thingies

[dusky canopy]

Oh snap you can have more than one at a time

def gotta do that

so i can keep one with bis gems and play with the other

[craggy pilot]

so what do i do after i used all 6 keys? 🤔

do i just do random content in the isles?

[dusky canopy]

go on 4 more alts and do it again

[slim dove]

go get more keys

[dusky canopy]

so you can mail them to main

[slim dove]

or alts to mail keys

[craggy pilot]

what if i want the ring / gems on all alts 😄

[dusky canopy]

delete the alt

[craggy pilot]

how do i get more keys without mailing?

[dusky canopy]

so you can focus warrior

[turbid shuttle]

kill rares for keys

[craggy pilot]

my warr is 416 so feels like the ring is not even worth it 🤔

[turbid shuttle]

also sometimes drop gems which you can smash for more upgrade mats

[dusky canopy]

weve been debating this the last two days around these parts ahaha

[warm plinth]

Kil rares, loot forbidden hoards (rare chest that spawns), buy sacks of oddities

[dusky canopy]

its 1-2% better than melandrus with bis gems currently

but thats preliminary thoughts

nothing pinned yet

[craggy pilot]

421 melandrus?

i have 408 eranog ring, and 415 melandrus

[rose quarry]

farm in the cave where the world quest is ... u get a lot of keys/elemental shit

[dusky canopy]

ye its better than 415 melandrus

[warm plinth]

Yeah the mobs in the cave give a lot of overflow

[dusky canopy]

in your case it might be better than egg nog but i dont know that youd have to sim

the eggnog also procs the gems

so its probably a hard lock

[sick sentinel]

ohhh i got the heroic shield from the 4 mythics quest today

[dusky canopy]

gz!

[sick sentinel]

just need the weapon 🙂