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warm plinth
crude notch
He plays minesweeper
crude notch
I found out that it's still the best selling game of all time.
undone sun
tetris 99 was crazy when it was peak
warm plinth
I was watching the 2022 classic Tetris championships the other day
warm plinth
The final dudes both got to like level 60 and 2 million points when 10 years ago there were only like 8 people in the world who could get to a million and getting to level 29 was called the "kill screen"lol
Anyway, I have been looking for an NES now
so I can play the real deal
serene yew
do you guys often overcap on rage?
lusty grotto
i dont plan on opening it up when switch online exists lol
serene yew
sometimes I cant spend my rage fast enough
lusty grotto
use IP
serene yew
just stack if it's already up?
lusty grotto
indeed
mighty valley
yeah you just fill all your GCDs with SS > TC > Revenge
serene yew
I guess it makes I'll spam IP instead
lusty grotto
uhhh dont spam
warm plinth
hmm i still have mine
👀
rose lantern
I have a very tough choice.
This is what I'm currently wearing, no better trinkets. I only do M+ on this toon. https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/dawnbringer/Braxxis
I'm leaning very heavily towards the shield, but would like some other prot warriors opinions too.
mighty valley
Shield
old sinew
horn of valor is dog-shit, big trap. I had it for a while, it does not perform well. take the shield
get yourself a 415 whetstone. easier said than done I know but yeah, horn of valor is not in the same league as big boi trinkets
even at 421
rose lantern
Cool. I didn't think it was that much better, even though it's a great stat stick it feels like for the vers mitigation.
Wanted to make sure I wasn't completely out to lunch and there wasn't something I wasn't considering.
lusty grotto
421 shield is the only thing you should be looking at there
get 421 shield, then swap to fury for vaults like the rest of us
warm plinth
You're not my dad
rose lantern
lol that's a great idea
lusty grotto
my 421 whetstone says otherwise
along with my 421 leech shield
😄
still waiting on 421 weapon though feelsbad
serene yew
is there any way to get those knowldge books to upgrade the primalist gear? or is it only rng drops?
old sinew
421 whetstone and 421 leech weapon reporting in. Lol. No 421 shield tho
lusty grotto
oof
old sinew
I was on the hunt for whetstone too many vaults to fish a shield tbh
Figured whetstone > 3 shield ilvl
lusty grotto
ehh i would go shield over a whetstone tbh
old sinew
I only finally looted whetstone last Tuesday 😱😱😱
old sinew
ehh i would go shield over a whetstone tbh
Maybe if you had the option of 415 whetstone.
lusty grotto
well i got whetstone 2 weeks ago honestly
and maybe a month ago for shield
but still i would go shield over it
mighty valley
if you're not pushing your limits and just want to blast, taking whetstone is fine
lusty grotto
of course
mighty valley
and it is fair that there's only one whetstone and multiple shields
but yeah, living turns out to be the most important thing
lusty grotto
yea i get that like sentenza said
however shield first means no swapping to prot for any vault
rose lantern
Even though the stats on the sheild aren't completely ideal?
lusty grotto
the only thing that matters on shield is the block value
rose lantern
421 = good enough?
old sinew
if you're not pushing your limits and just want to blast, taking whetstone is fi...
I mean, I am pushing my limits, but the faster stuff dies the less I have to try to live.
lusty grotto
i would agree if you were soloing keys
but you arent
that's as much of a responsibility, if not more, of your dps
old sinew
i would agree if you were soloing keys
Sometimes it feels like I am lol
mighty valley
the percentage effect on group damage of you having a whetstone vs. slightly suboptimal trinket just isn't as big a difference as how much you can safely pull
rose lantern
"Not my job to kill things fast, my job to live and hold agro" Kind of my primary focus first.
lusty grotto
its not black and white
and shouldn't be
or at least in this iteration of WoW
there's sound logic in what Sentenza is saying given the availability of the items
rose lantern
Oh totally.
old sinew
In 24s and 25s I’m at the point where other than TJS I mostly live pulls - I just need the pull to go faster to make time. Yes, you can say just get blasters and it’s easy clap but I need to care about dps. There’s no m+ close to as good for doing damage as whetstone. It’s not slightly optimal it farms the other trinkets
How much safer does 3 ilvl on shield make you really? It won’t help me live a not-reflected dark claw
warm plinth
It's your job to live and hold aggro. Living is done by gameplay. Holding aggro is done by doing damage.
3 ilevels on shield comes out to like 1% additional reduction from blocking. Not including the armor gain, which idk the numbers for.
old sinew
Ya I mean you don’t live on the margins you live or you fucked up, mostly. Tyr Crawth is probably the only fight where I would like to passively live more
lusty grotto
right and a shield wont help you there honestly
warm plinth
These are the damage reduction percentages for the top 3 ilevels of shields using the Mythic/M+ K value
harsh light
Anyone help me figure out why fenyry still eats the chasee when they are intervened?
lusty grotto
if they move far from you, it wont intercept the damage
so every single person that gets intervened, and runs like an idiot dies
cause they are stupid
alternatively, if you move far away from them, youre killing them
harsh light
I have had people run for sure, but i was in coms on a dungeon today, a low one and i told them to stay.... they became lunch i intervened right before cast finished
I'll make sure we're on top of eachother next time
harsh light
Oh yeah we were for sure within 10yards
lusty grotto
do you have logs?
harsh light
Wasn't running raiderio for that one
lusty grotto
ok then i guarantee you that you guys weren't within 10 yards
harsh light
Ok, I'll give it a shot tmm in another baby key, make sure im not messing up, or fix my mess up
Appreciate it
indigo gulch
hi all, just to check for season 2 will pwar be still good? or prot pally will be better
crude notch
hi all, just to check for season 2 will pwar be still good? or prot pally will b...
Anyone that answers that question with anything other than "idk" is lying to you. We're on week 3 of the PTR with minimal to no tank changes, give it time.
rustic trench
stoneform will get rid of the bleed from 2nd boss of RLP right?
indigo gulch
Anyone that answers that question with anything other than "idk" is lying to you...
got it. thanks.
rustic trench
sorry if its a dumb question just wanna make sure i know forsure before i faction change dwarf instead of dark iron
lusty grotto
stoneform will get rid of the bleed from 2nd boss of RLP right?
yes
wind hare
Also works on AA bird bleed
rustic trench
in 25 Crawth bleed is nasty af without an evoker
I actually havent been able to get through a 25 tyr Crawth without an evoker without dying once
lusty grotto
yup at that point then yes dwarf is the go to
indigo gulch
for high key like 22 and up, you all is using def stance or battle stance more
indigo gulch
hmm ok, but when do 22 i feel my hp drop faster than normal when using battle stance.
serene yew
which addon/wa do you guys use to show exact mob % for m+ on the mobs tooltip?
patent gorge
lusty grotto
i use both
slow harbor
astral keys does it
serene yew
okay
lusty grotto
so idk which one does it but im pretty sure i had % on tooltips before i ever put warp deplete in
serene yew
is angry keys any good?
indigo gulch
i think i guess i have to get use to the dmg for higer key
serene yew
angry keystones*
serene yew
is it worth using an auto marker for m+ ?
sick sentinel
If you’re communicating with your group then yes. If there’s no communication and random markers are just being thrown up then it doesn’t really do anything.
violet flume
7min30s overtime +20 CoS.. why did i have 2 overtime runs last week omg
i guess fort is easier than tyrannical for that dungeon
lusty karma
How did the tier change pan out today?
Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible: 2-Set Bonus – Shield Slam now reduces the cooldown of Last Stand by 1 second (was 0.5 seconds).
Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible: 4-Set Bonus – The wave of force generated by the 4-set bonus deals 45% of Attack Power.
mighty valley
With that post, you know as much as the rest of us
lusty grotto
im not entirely sure why people are misunderstanding the wording but i supposed blizzard should have made it clearer
reef sable
What are the recommendations for our 424 rings by the way? We running the Prophetic/Desirous/Humming DPS setup or is there a better recommendation for us?
lusty grotto
the wave of force hits for 45% attack power, its not part of the shield slam, it goes off after it
2 pc was buffed, 4pc was just a clarification on how hard this "wave of force" would hit for
there, hopefully that clears things up
lone eagle
Man
Looking at getting out of P2.5 on M Rasz at >71k dps
Ring is absolutely pumping
doing between 10-15% of my damage depending on proc luck during shields
lusty karma
Doing it based off of a % of how hard SS hits is what would make sense, so scaled from the outcome of that hit
lusty karma
so if SS hits harder it hits harder, it hits weaker it hits weaker
since it's the force from the blow
lusty grotto
why would it make sense
lusty karma
the way it's worded implies that, that's the issue
lusty karma
"Shield Slam unleashes a wave of force"
lusty karma
it's a wave of force generated from SS, so it should be related to how hard SS hits from that wording
lusty grotto
no
lusty karma
because the force of the hit can be higher/lower
lusty grotto
i dont agree sorry
lusty karma
that's how the grammar works for that statement
lusty grotto
its just an extra hit after the SS
lusty karma
unleashed from SS as a part of the tier set
if you don't SS that force doesn't happen
right?
lusty grotto
right
lusty karma
that's why it's implied via the wording, not saying it can't be separate, the wording should've been different
that's why people think that
lusty grotto
if you dont attack, most ppm trinkets dont fire either but they arent based on you attacks
lusty karma
this isn't based on aa though it's based on SS
lusty grotto
so i just dont understand why you guys would see it that way
let me ask you something
is seismic wave based on overpower damage?
im talking about the SL talent yes, and also talking about Dreadnaught
its something that happens AFTER you overpower
vale ravine
just got done with a 20 SBG on my 405 warrior I am flipping out my first 20 thanks for all the info in here and on wowhead
lusty grotto
correct
toxic pewter
Is it any good
violet flume
so basically its like casting thunderclap when using shieldslam during last stand
violet flume
doesnt sound giga ultra amazing but it is what it is
mighty valley
only?
sick sentinel
😉
lusty karma
let me give you a spoiler
That isn't the issue, the issue is the wording implies it is off of SS, there's nothing saying it has to be like a different system
lusty grotto
That isn't the issue, the issue is the wording implies it is off of SS, there's ...
read the overpower tooltip again
lusty karma
I understand from their wording today that it's just 45% of AP, I was saying it would be nice if it was based off SS damage
mighty valley
i mean
lusty karma
there's nothing wrong with wanting a different form of scaling, that was implied from the wording
violet flume
btw how does weapon damage factor in abilities, is weapon dps converted to AP?
mighty valley
that could be more interesting
...how is it not exactly the same thing
violet flume
for the longest time i thought weapon dps was only affecting autoattacks but clearly not
lusty karma
because if your SS hits harder from non-stats then that get's tracked
lusty grotto
that could be more interesting
no because then all of us would be min maxing VOs to align with LS so that we could hit 45% of a 200k+ SS
lusty karma
likewise if it hits for less then that is also scaled down
it would scale with SS damage because not all damage is in pure stat form
lusty grotto
it would be ridiculous
lusty karma
makes too much sense i know
warm plinth
people are free to have low standards after all
yeah that's why Nimchip is my friend
lusty grotto
absolutely
warm plinth
jk jk ❤️
serene yew
do we have any useful macros to reduce our buttons? like the stance change macro?
lusty grotto
mighty valley
do we have any useful macros to reduce our buttons? like the stance change macro...
not really outside of that, you want to press everything intentionally
serene yew
ok thanks
lusty tiger
warm plinth
That is certainly tragic
scenic mural
is TJS still bugged?
dense coral
was a reset 2 hours ago
violet flume
i feel you jerree, i overtimed jade temple +20 by 5s and 13sec last week
violet flume
probably easier to on on tyrannical weeks so idk if ill do it this week
prob focus on nokhud and halls +20 since they are cancer on tyrannical
warm plinth
Is grieftorch ok for tank?
Yeah, just have to be smart about using it because you can't block/dodge/parry during the cast
warm plinth
Like player corpse or add corpse counted?
Not sure if it's worth but it would be enemy corpses most likely, whether player or mob.
urban portal
warm plinth
Just pop shockwave and send it or use it on CD on bosses since they generally have slow swing timers anyway, as long as a tankbuster isn't coming up.
shrewd grove
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Dpd62gMWh7R3Qwaq/
Took some of the advice yall gave. Still feel like I waste a bit of rage using shield charge since I use it right after demo shout. I might just practice demo>IP>Shield charge>IP until it gets ingrained. Everything else look better though?
lone eagle
So hypothetically
if we were to swap out the arcane gem for M+
what would be the best AoE gym to proc from the shadow/blood gem interaction
slim dove
probably fire licked.
ionic fern
Potentially.
I'm just going off numbers/theories since i spent my last evening painting my motorcycle radiator and then doing Razs.
No time for ring farm yet.
tall cedar
slim dove
i believe so, yes.
proper roost
yeah, they're only unique equipped
hidden linden
Potentially.
I'm just going off numbers/theories since i spent my last evening p...
I do have a log of a random 22 NO with that setup, if that can be of any use
slim dove
lone eagle
Yeah that seems pretty impressive for an AoE heavy dungeon where you'd expect the stones to fall behind a bit
What about the plague one?
ebon sun
So between Humming, Flame-licked, Desirous, and Prophetic... which three seem to be working out the best combination-wise for ST?
lone eagle
Any good combo currently is going to involve Desirous and Prophetic
the 3rd gem is the one up in the air
for ST Humming seems to be winning
ebon sun
Right, because of the suspected bug with the self-healing triggering.
lone eagle
but in AoE, thats where the other options come into play
ebon sun
Yes, I'll probably keep Humming in and try out Storming or another one for AOE.
lapis mist
how does the ilvl of the prophetic twilight stone affect dmg scaling?
quartz fern
round pendant
Did they buff the annulet yet
sick sentinel
Ye the pinned gems gave me 10% dps in sims
395 all totem or 415 ganryth's enduring scale
415 granyth's just seems so bad
lunar gazelle
sim it
slim dove
All totem.
sick sentinel
I mean you’re not using granyth’s for the damage it gives , simming it doesn’t really do anything
digital bay
Can anybody tell me why my haste rating isnt matching up with other people. My total rating shows 180 more than someone else but my percentage is multiple percent lower than theirs?
sweet summit
digital bay
yeh i was checking armory
tawdry dirge
dense hound
I think what the discord tells me to think for iam part of the hive 
round pendant
Discord saves me from having to think about it myself :)
jagged pier
i mean its in the name
crude notch
Jake, you better give me my proper pat on my back or else.
I worked hard to give that answer.
jagged pier
limpid wave
Was logs/parse scores disabled for last night? Parse scores not showing for our raid for some reason
could it be because of the buggy ring stones?
limpid wave
I can see the log and it's not private, but there's just no scores / ilvl scores for some reason
jagged pier
guild in shadow mode?
limpid wave
not in stealth nope
blazing condor
Everyone so bad you didnt even get a parse
brittle owl
u don't know that
warm plinth
I can see the log and it's not private, but there's just no scores / ilvl scores...
They reset rankings or something since the patch because of the warlock bug
Twitter
ionic fern
Damn Warlocks.
minor lion
hey, what is a realisticly good shield block uptime?
Right now I'm sitting at around 60% whats def. too low
pallid quiver
100% uptime in combat is doable and expected
If you're not at level cap, don't worry about it
If you are at level cap with only 60% uptime
You need to relook at your base rotation and probably your talents
minor lion
I'm at level cap... Sitting around 25% haste. Runnung around 15-17 M+
100%? Doable and expected... holy. I'm doing a lot wrong then
pallid quiver
Haste has 0 influence
minor lion
Would you mind looking into this?
https://raider.io/characters/eu/blackrock/Kazzok
warm plinth
Tbf, we care more about % of blocked hits (viewable via logs) than actual uptime. But we can virtually guarantee that you're not getting a high % of blocked hits with that uptime.
warm plinth
pallid quiver
Barbaric Training kills your rage economy by making revenge cost more rage, meaning you cast it less, meaning you get less SS resets, meaning less SS for SB extensions
minor lion
so, kill this talent.
pallid quiver
Other than that, your talents are fine enough; I'd swap off Spell Block for dungeons you don't need it, and I'd put the Barbaric Training point into Intimidating Shout for another stop
So it's a rotational issue at that point. I can't give any specific advice without any logs
Alright, if this is you:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TXAdGDhMzft6CVkY#fight=4&type=casts&source=120
I see a few problems
dusty monolith
Just want to throw in I've been learning quite a lot so thanks to all the guys taking the time to analyze logs and helping each other
pallid quiver
Your CPM is extremely low for what it should be, especially in things like Revenge, which should be your main rage spender. You use Ignore Pain to avoid overcapping rage, and pretty much only then. It sounds like you're not using it a lot, then, but when playing properly, you'll be swimming in enough rage that you hammer the hell out of the button
minor lion
seems to be me ^^
pallid quiver
The other notable casts you're missing is that you're not using a lot of your CDs on CD it looks like. You only had 17 casts of Shield Charge through a 30 minute instance. Shield Charge has less than a minute CD and should just be pressed on CD, same as all of our offensive CDs
So at the very least, you missed like 260 rage just from shield charge casts alone
warm plinth
this hurts me
pallid quiver
On top of that, Shield Charge also gives you Shield Block, and is one of the things that keeps your SB uptime, hence why your uptime's likely so low
dusty monolith
shield charge also helps with shield block uptime
lunar gazelle
this hurts me
🙏
hardy snow
seems to be me ^^
dont use slam and spam IP to dump rage to avoid this:
pallid quiver
And like the one fellow mentioned before, Slam should be off your bars. It's a DPS warrior only ability. Prot War's version of the ability is Revenge; it does more damage and has actual passive effects
minor lion
Slam is gone ^^
dusty monolith
is it bad to macro avatar with demo shout when starting out?
pallid quiver
Yeah
warm plinth
You should basically not notice it being gone because without Barbaric Training, Revenge has the same cost.
pallid quiver
They
're on entirely different CD cycles
So it's more likely to just run into issues since we send all CDs on CD
minor lion
revenge presses only on proc?
pallid quiver
Revenge always
It spends rage
It's your button you press if you don't have Shield Slam or Thunder Clap available
Prot's base priority list is CDs > Shield Slam > Thunder Clap > Revenge
for what to press on any given GCD
pallid quiver
If your rage gets to roughly 60-80, press IP to spend some rage
Ignore Pain, over time, costs more rage than Revenge
Revenge can reset Shield Slam's cooldown, which generates rage, offsetting some of the cost of Revenge
dusty monolith
Prot's base priority list is CDs > Shield Slam > Thunder Clap > Revenge
not revenge > tc for setbonus and show of force buffed tc?
minor lion
I dump my Rage in Ignore Pain... So, new run and trying it again
pallid quiver
not revenge > tc for setbonus and show of force buffed tc?
SoF damage bonus is not worth playing around; same with tierset. They're both negligible in comparison to making sure you keep generating rage
The basic flow of the class is the generate and spend rage
dusty monolith
ahh til
minor lion
first feedback after punshing the dummy... revenge is great 😛 way more ss procs. Feeling stupid to played like this. Thanks for the help. Try to log it and post it here again
pallid quiver
Yeah, feel free to swing back; there's always things to work on, so
brittle owl
that man's name
wouldnt you parse with that in raid
pallid quiver
no
It's even worse in ST than AOE
The only time you do iirc is on Council
There's a specific council parsing build that picks it up, iirc
brittle owl
as long as they die when you run out
pallid quiver
So there's less damage per rage
brittle owl
raid parsing is degenerate, gotta degen when you can
hardy snow
But you get less revenge casts out
If you're able to generate enough rage to cover higher expense, you dont get less casts.
If in said period of time you are able to cast 50 revenges for example, but you generate enough rage to have enough for 50 BT revenges, then it doesnt affects your dps output in negative way at all. Only difference is that you will have less rage to dump into IP.
Thats why its used on council fight, as we generate more rage there due to bloodsurge.
strong forum
Last I checked most top raid parses don't use it, so
all top parses with the ring are gone
deleted from leaderboard
or do you mean BT
covert topaz
So is the ring tanked now?
strong forum
cuz yeah, BT is also just not good
îll slam dummy for a bit
but it does sim less now
lucid pasture
Nome maybe you should stop playing evoker
strong forum
bro ive not been playing at all for like 2 weeks
lucid pasture
Nome maybe you should uninstall wow and be free
sick sentinel
how are plp with a 443 ring ?
sick sentinel
Armory bug
alright, ty
ionic fern
.
limpid anchor
Let him get used to Prot before nudging him into Bstance
Weak
limpid anchor
In battle!
orchid gulch
That's taking the training wheels off
limpid wave
They reset rankings or something since the patch because of the warlock bug
ty sir!
pallid quiver
or do you mean BT
Yeah, I was talking about how top raid parses don't use BT outside of Council
pallid quiver
Everyone has to start somewhere, yes?
It feels like telling someone to play without a defensive cooldown is the thing. Or having one on permanently. It's probably fine for pugging, but if you're aiming to get better, it's important to learn where damage actually happens, which satying in D Stance all the time won't really help key you in on, since it's like a permanently active defensive CD
but if they're clearing content and having fun then they do them, i don't actually care that much unless they spread misinfo
limpid anchor
I just think that training wheels hurt the progress
orchid gulch
I'm not saying not to tell them to play without DStance, but let them learn the basics first
pallid quiver
To me, other than your basic rotation, managing your defensive CDs is the basics of tanking, hence why I don't personally recommend it. It's a universal thing for tanking in all MMOs for all classes to make sure you properly mitigate damage using your strong time limited abilities
potent gulch
all top parses with the ring are gone
wait, ring nerfed?
pallid quiver
hence why i don't recommend it since your damage is decently important, though not as important as the DPS' (unless they trash)
potent gulch
or what?
hardy snow
parses are gone due to fixed warlocks bug
pallid quiver
that
potent gulch
ring isnt nerfed, humming was oversimming
the black blood purple?
so ingame iteracton was ok - but in sims it was not?
strong forum
yes
strong forum
its now simming ~800 dps less than before, but still best ST combo
pallid quiver
In all content, yeah
potent gulch
its now simming ~800 dps less than before, but still best ST combo
i see. thank you
pallid quiver
We're never in danger of constantly dying, so we default to Battle
You use Defensive Stance like a Defensive cooldown
strong forum
i see. thank you
assuming you do have frostfire belt + eragon ring, if you dont itll sim worse
cuz it relies on belt and both rings to proc humming
orchid gulch
hence why i don't recommend it since your damage is decently important, though n...
Would argue in content, where you'd usually practise a new class/spec, it hardly matters unless someone is overgeared or one makes gross mistakes. When one advances further, one should optimizer for damage
potent gulch
assuming you do have frostfire belt + eragon ring, if you dont itll sim worse
well, i can just sim my self rest though
pallid quiver
I mean, I tell everyone to practice new classes/spec rotations on a training dummy until it's muscle memory
pallid quiver
if you practice/learn it during stress you build mistakes into your muscle memory
strong forum
thats some dumbass cheesing
potent gulch
with it on BRM
pallid quiver
It's the same exact way I handle every class/spec, and I still swing by the training dummy at least once a week to make sure I'm still consistent with what I want
orchid gulch
Battle Stance as Tank? Do I read right?
Bstance for everything, switch to DStance for high incoming damage, switch back afterwards, usually
orchid gulch
I mean, I tell everyone to practice new classes/spec rotations on a training dum...
Might be a bit harder to practise actual tanking 9n a dummy, does take sine actual practise i think
pallid quiver
The base rotation does not change no matter how much damage you are taking or how much stress you're in
It doesn't matter if it's zero damage, doesn't matter if you're taking 50% of your max HP per second'
orchid gulch
No, but estimating how much damage you'll take and how to react to a situation
The dummy is predictable
pallid quiver
yeah, that's why you get the rotation and then learn how to use your defensives
verbal wren
Battle Stance as Tank? Do I read right?
You can macro it to a single button that swaps back and forth. Swap for tank busters then back out, especially in M+. Your damage matters even more there
strong forum
with it on BRM
its cheese, all the dmg gets attributed to the user despite the dmg being done by 20 people
muted wren
New ring?
orchid gulch
That's exactly my point, if you're still unsure, stick to DStance, and once you got some practise, switch to Bstance
pallid quiver
but like
you're already using the defensive at all times then
You don't become any more defensive when learning or anything
You're just straight not learning to stance swap
Doing it that way is harder because you don't know how much you need to do to live
ya gotta die at some point
potent gulch
its cheese, all the dmg gets attributed to the user despite the dmg being done b...
so it just logs issue or the dmg is actualy that high?
orchid gulch
Yeah, and some people struggle with SB uptime, getting slapped at every corner is still not that fun for most people
At least what I've learnt from throwing my guildies to the wolves when they try to tank 
minor lion
You can macro it to a single button that swaps back and forth. Swap for tank bus...
What is the macro for this?
orchid gulch
Really good macro
strong forum
so it just logs issue or the dmg is actualy that high?
you place down a totem, it buffs your raid, all extra dmg the raid does through the trinkets, gets counted as your dmg
lunar gazelle
best aoe combo?
jagged pier
cos ring
strong forum
technically speaking, until 7 targets storm + desi + prophetic is a dps gain over 415 unsocketed melandrus ring
but thats only the case until/if they nerf prophetic+desi interaction
when they do that, none of the combos are worth
atleast on sims
glad sail
Do we know if the gem combo is getting patched yet?
strong forum
still just an educated guess
usually when wowhead posts stuff like this something happens
when its public enough
glad sail
I saw the downtime today was curious.
strong forum
that wont need downtime
they can apply it literally in the middle of your pull
thats what hotfixes are
question is just if it will be communicated if it happens
high basalt
Is it me or does our tier set sounds shit next season?
median tulip
They could amp up the 2pc significantly and that would also fix it
IMO Blizz should stop being cowards and just rewrite the 2pc to read "Last Stand is now affected by Anger Management"
faint mural
Okay random question, has anyone noticed threat issues with defensive stance since the patch?
strong forum
they buffed 2pc already
sick sentinel
LTT yt channel ahacked and now terminated
That channel, the 15 million subs tech youtuber linus sebastian
jagged pier
dusty monolith
wait so you guys actually tank in bstance? I've pugging up to 21 and went D all the way through. didnt even realize bstance was an option thought you'd take to much damage and it was just for questing and WQ
verbal wren
Almost never in dstance
hardy snow
wait so you guys actually tank in bstance? I've pugging up to 21 and went D all ...
Dstance should be treated as another defensive CD
sick sentinel
that rudy guy i poat from time time time ans hes off topic as well, he too had his yt channel hacked in 2018
ohmwell, hopefully its not the end of ltt is what im getting at, id be sad if it were
grizzled kite
relax, youtube will restore
sick sentinel
hopefully, probably 90% chance they will
livid helm
I think it’s the Tesla channel right now is it not? I don’t think it’s deleted just renamed?
tropic gorge
Big names like that don't permanently die when hacked. And all the large yt channels have a line to yt support. By lunch ltt will be back
livid helm
Al the videos are still up, but it’s renamed Tesla 🤔 sorry, off topic lol
sick sentinel
see, yeah, if it was my rudy guy ans he got banned id not mentioned ir, only bc 15m subs
but, ywah, prot warrior stuff soon and compaining about greivous
versed sleet
Hey, I'm a fairly new prot warrior (currently level 69) as well as an engineer. I was wondering if it was ever viable to use the engineering bracers with a tinker for M+, and if so, which tinker I should use.
unreal sage
is there any command to details which can sum dmg from every rings source?
smth like for all totem
dusty monolith
is there a guide or resource to sim the new ring sockets?
silver pumice
So new ring any good for prot warriors?
tropic gorge
Check the pins
topaz latch
whats the furbolg trinkets name?
strong forum
wait so you guys actually tank in bstance? I've pugging up to 21 and went D all ...
ive never tanked a key in dstance
let alone raid
3-5sec maybe once here and there
cinder pasture
I use defensive stance more often as dps than tank
strong forum
https://www.wowhead.com/item=202268/winterpelt-totem
furbolg totem, not winterpelt totem
sick sentinel
wait so you guys actually tank in bstance? I've pugging up to 21 and went D all ...
more dmg = more threat and monster dies faster cuz u are doing more dmg, meaning it gets to do less attacks cuz it lived 1 minute instead of 1 minute 45s
strong forum
furbolg totem is log padding because it counts other peoples dmg as your own
sick sentinel
so, dealing damage is actually a damage reduction
if im reading that winterpelt one right, its a 99% uptime trinket
topaz latch
furbolg totem, not winterpelt totem
i cant find a furbolg totem, only a winterpelt one, from the new patch. you have a link?
sick sentinel
i cant find a furbolg totem, only a winterpelt one, from the new patch. you have...
scroll up, its just above my image of defender of winterpelt
topaz latch
thanks, too many bear people
jolly cipher
anyone knows if the 6key quest is a weekly one or was just a single campaign quest?
weary saddle
@warm plinth @strong forum i must be a very bad player or with bad rotation, cos with the new 424 ring my dps is much improved. i think u are correct the 424 ring does not require rotational accuracy. i am using the humming+prophetic+desirous combo
strong forum
my parse on eranog was worse with ring 
weary saddle
for context, i swapped Meladrus 415 ring for the 424 ring with bug combo
weary saddle
u mean replace humming with storm for m+?
strong forum
yes
weary saddle
icic i try that
strong forum
on 2-8 targets its better
mystic talon
Hi! i have a doubt, if i equip the new ring i lose 1k Cele , I'm asking... in simulations is better the New ring and eranog... but for survival... imo is better the stats... What u think?
strong forum
stats are better
sick sentinel
i'll try this one as a defensive ring option for now
everytime i absorb with gems, i deal dmg, and then i have an absorb every 20 seconds and chance everytime im hit
simple stream
Can someone clarify how much we value 4-set uptime? does revenge move up in prio if im about to drop or is it really just hard ignore?
strong forum
cant quantify it
but no it doesnt move up in prio
youll have 85% uptime naturally by just playing well
simple stream
okay ty ty
wintry flax
Id just like to thank the great minds in this Discord for all the knowledge and help!
weary saddle
@strong forum ok followed ur advice and changed humming to storm! seemed to me to be more crit reliant. since chance to crit needs another chance to proc.
will bring this to m+ for a whirl
mystic talon
stats are better
thnks!
strong forum
its a start
old sinew
40k is on the lower side though. I did 50k on a 24 and wasn’t t super thrilled (I also didn’t pot and I was still using eye in storm when that is bad in Smbg)
dense coral
Yeah it was a ranged setup. could probably do more with Melee classes.
old sinew
Also what do you d-stance this week? Void slash is not going to not chunk no matter what. You can d stance void spike / ritual and corpse Breath but it’s mostly just a dps loss
dense coral
Ànd missing some sinergy with rings/trinkets. Only have Lariat, Icon, and Frost belt atm
I didnt trust the healer xD
most of 20's i just run Battle STance
old sinew
Also it’s funny Smbg is so easy I only very recently learned corpse breath is a frontal and you can reduce party damage by facing worm to one side and stacking party on the other
Never needed to optimize on that level previously. Less healing = more healer dps tho
dense coral
yeh super easy, im only scared for the 3 bone pack, and the last 2 elementals hurt on the end hall
sick sentinel
i just leap ahead and pull and interupt the spider long before anyone can be close enough to got hit
and then i have better chance to hit the interupt cuz im not fighting for aggro same time
fallow nova
@sick sentinel was planning on trying exactly that today
Couldn't get the ice shield gem yesterday
potent gulch
i'll try this one as a defensive ring option for now
share parces ;>
old sinew
Part of me wants to run that setup in fort TJS. Big big dps loss but I feel like if you live some of these double pulls you’re fine.
potent gulch
and what about dmg?
old sinew
How is the damage?
sick sentinel
no idea, also this was for either or a 0 or new zone dps
says thats the damage for the dmg gem
there thats my last recent "overall" its showing obidian stone
fallow nova
I really didn't expect the frost shield to be worth that much, that's pretty sweet
old sinew
That’s not terrible. Almost 6% of overall? I could take a 3500 dps loss for an extra like 20% leech (as absorb) on fort TJS
fallow nova
A tank setup actually being worth?
dusky canopy
I’d rather blast I think
fallow nova
Idk, this seems like a reasonable balance of both
strong forum
how much dps did it actually do
old sinew
A tank setup actually being worth?
Only on fort tjs. Most other keys I don’t worry about dying
strong forum
cuz 6% dps on yogi might not be 6% dps on your end 🙂
old sinew
cuz 6% dps on yogi might not be 6% dps on your end 🙂
True
fallow nova
Damn, straight for the throat
strong forum
this looks like it was also 1 pull
sick sentinel
yeah, its probably guna be like 2 % on ur end
strong forum
not an entire dungeon
sick sentinel
i didn't hit much buttons it was a 0
unkempt imp
Any1 know why on mythic sennarth the opposite tank sometimes gets random stacks of web blast even though they don't have threat?
strong forum
shouldnt
sick sentinel
0 azure vaults
strong forum
the whole point is to reset stacks, would be impossible if it randomly sent them to refresh debuff
old sinew
Imagine if we didn’t have to upgrade these cringe gems and could just test builds for ourselves
fallow nova
I'm curious to see it in higher keys because things living longer should also proc more obsidian hits
strong forum
imagine if you could swap gems all the time
dusky canopy
this defensive gem combo reminds me of shell in bfa
strong forum
and not at the cringe blacksmith
strong forum
this defensive gem combo reminds me of shell in bfa
except shell wasnt RNG and wasn an 80% absorb which much better than 100%
sick sentinel
and not at the cringe blacksmith
there is a teleport pad if u have enough rep
it unlocked for me as soon as 10.0.7 launched
old sinew
Bruh I don’t get it. We had a tool to remove Dom gems in 9.1. Why have we stepped backwards?
old sinew
🐸🔨
dusky canopy
except shell wasnt RNG and wasn an 80% absorb which much better than 100%
Absolutely it’s just a similar sacrifice of damage for some defensive value
heavy temple
Nice, opened every chest in the vault, havent gotten the 3 stones i wanted
strong forum
you only lost the random haste proc
agile elbow
Just buy them Nite.
strong forum
not 1300 stats period
high basalt
Guys anydea why my logs aren’t recording keeps saying unknown zone when I click view report? Ty
agile elbow
You have a better shot at buying them from the vendor than getting them in the actual vault.
dusky canopy
Bruh I don’t get it. We had a tool to remove Dom gems in 9.1. Why have we steppe...
Stop making sense
strong forum
did you enable advanced combat logging
heavy temple
Just buy them Nite.
what, were?
agile elbow
dragon npc by the blacksmith guy that shatters them
sick sentinel
trinkets in bfa were just stat sticks
butcher block + eye or rezan, i can clearly remember using these at the end of BFA all the time
agile elbow
you buy the "type" of gem and use it
heavy temple
you buy the "type" of gem and use it
ahh thanks
old sinew
Depends on the sacrifice vs damage. BSS was insane defense and also good value. Aegis made you literally unkillable. The defensive value needs to be very high to sac damage - we need to be able to pull more or kite less
sick sentinel
only thing i ever changed was howler trinket some times for versa, or dmg (red button), raid trinkets
heavy temple
Do we take humming or storm?
vast forge
ring kinda bussin...
agile elbow
what stones @vast forge
sick sentinel
vast forge
the popular st combo
sick sentinel
this is the one i really want for that ring
Standing still for 3 seconds in combat steels yourself, absorbing 16254 damage and increasing autoattack damage by 305 for 25 sec.
jagged pier
thats for ST :/
vast forge
but its a court, will try the lightning one in bigger pull keys
old sinew
this is the one i really want for that ring
Standing still for 3 seconds in comb...
What is the icd for that though?
sick sentinel
well, actually, that could suck maybe its on a 2 minut icd or somethin
fallow nova
Does that actually refresh every 3 seconds in combat, or does the 25 seconds have to wear off first?
Because I definitely have that one
sick sentinel
i betcha its 2m
high basalt
@strong forum hi mate ye box is ticked it’s just stopped for some reason?
strong forum
did you log out
or had any kind of interruption
did you leave the key and come back
sick sentinel
"The auto attack damage and the shield are separate buff effects, but the effect cannot be re-triggered while the auto-attack buff is active. However, you don't have to stand still for three whole seconds in order to trigger the buff. Standing still while in combat seems to start a 3s timer after which the effect activates, but it is not broken by movement. If you enter combat and continuously move, this effect will not trigger. But if you enter combat while moving, stop for half a second and keep moving, the buff will trigger 3s after you stopped moving. Seems broken, but no guides are recommending this stone at the moment anyway."
yes yes, wall of text, im aware
thats the comment i fou nd
high basalt
No it’s been happening for over a week now I’m trying to get you guys a log to look at my dps but can’t get it to record never had a problem before it’s very strange
old sinew
"The auto attack damage and the shield are separate buff effects, but the effect...
The true question then is whether you can aura cancel the auto attack buff to gain the absorb again 😏
fallow nova
Damn, so minimum of every 25 seconds then
sick sentinel
do u have the advanced logging enabled under network?
strong forum
maybe your PC cant keep up boylang
rough solar
Are the Onyx Annulet sims accurate? Gives me a 4.7k dps gain over 418 crafted ring
fallow nova
Would be nice to see what the ppm of the earth stone is, then
strong forum
Are the Onyx Annulet sims accurate? Gives me a 4.7k dps gain over 418 crafted ri...
fairly
sick sentinel
and use an addon to create logs, or manuall activate turning on logs once the setting is active?
old sinew
Are the Onyx Annulet sims accurate? Gives me a 4.7k dps gain over 418 crafted ri...
Yes. The ring is good for us
rough solar
Thank you!
tropic gorge
I got 2 of the 3 gems on my first round of door opens
I was floored. Rng is never that good to me
sick sentinel
so, say if you ran a keystone +16 hov and then you ran + 17 av, it would take those 2 runs and seperate them
so that you have 2 seperate logs for 1 session
completely automated
high basalt
@sick sentinel hi mate I installed loggerhead do I need to do anything in settings etc?
sick sentinel
make sure advanced combat logging is enabled under game network settings
and when you zone into a dungeon, it will ask you, "do you want to log this dungeon"
so, you then hit yes
tropic gorge
I use the warcraft logs upload program
sick sentinel
you cannot make a log without that network setting for some stupid reason
tropic gorge
Advanced combat logging can cause performance issues, be aware of that
sick sentinel
yes, after you sign out of the game, it will have a log file that is WCLU compatible
tropic gorge
After you enable it, if you end up having weird performance problems turn it back off. Advanced logging can be cpu intensive
high basalt
@sick sentinel thanks mate 👍
sick sentinel
After you enable it, if you end up having weird performance problems turn it bac...
i got a 5600x which while it isn't the greatest cpu ever, its pretty damn good
fallow nova
So I wonder what would be more worthwhile, the frost shield that refreshes every 20 seconds but very possibly pops your obsidian stone in-between pulls, or the iron stone that basically guarantees you getting that initial proc off, and possibly more when things live long enough?
sick sentinel
and so i can afford to have all these addons and shit running
same speeds as my 3700x, but less cores and a lower tempurature
high basalt
@sick sentinel obviously gonna get you a log later but 30k in a 14 av 402 item level is still very low isn’t it mate?
sick sentinel
run my cpu at 40 c or 65 c, boy i sure wonder which cpu to use lol
high basalt
Not massive pulls though as group was bad
old sinew
So I wonder what would be more worthwhile, the frost shield that refreshes every...
There’s 3 absorb shields. The frost shield is not the worst so you’ll use that, and then it is a toss up between the other 2. If the ppm shield procs fast enough you go with that.
fallow nova
There’s 3 absorb shields. The frost shield is not the worst so you’ll use that, ...
Yeah, I was kinda defaulting to assuming earth got used, but I'm unsure what the ppm on that even is
It's a bigger shield, but I'd need to run it a few times and go back to check
The other two are guaranteed in a way that you can actually predict
sick sentinel
There’s 3 absorb shields. The frost shield is not the worst so you’ll use that, ...
apparently gleaming iron stone might be really good
high basalt
@strong forum I know I just can’t see what I’m doing wrong I’m using every on cd like ss and tc? It’s driving me mad 😩
strong forum
it has alot of nuance, but if you mega TLDR it its just send cds on cd and dont overcap rage
sick sentinel
apparently, it doesn't lose the 3s worth of stacks once you start moving and carries them over as you do move, but then the AP increase isn't as big as ppl were thinking
strong forum
my bet is just you arent used to pressing buttons fast enough
sick sentinel
the guy in his comments said the AP gian was about 50% of stated
fallow nova
Wonder if they're going to mess with the stones with this downtime, or would that be a client-side patch?
strong forum
they dont need to shut down servers
to tune the stones
they can do it with a flip of a switch
sick sentinel
give the ring the 1 large amount of random secondary stat
strong forum
between pulls in raid
sick sentinel
like on its either neck or engi head/bracer
thats like that
you don't get to choose the stat you get , but you do get stat, thats my 2 cents
high basalt
@strong forum what’s tldr please mate? Yeah I think it has to be not pushing buttons enough will hopefully get a log for you to look at mate see what’s happening 😩
sick sentinel
Too Long; Didn't Read
sick sentinel
aka shut the fuck up lol
strong forum
tldr = too long didnt read
sick sentinel
thats basically what it boils down to when someone says it
old sinew
Someone said the defensive gem setup is around 2000 dps which is pretty terrible. That checks out that it is 6% of your overall if you are asleep at the wheel and did 34k dps in a M0
sick sentinel
plz
weary saddle
is there another gem combo bug?
sick sentinel
lets not go off yogi 24k dps 0 azure vaults as scripture
weary saddle
why are ppl discussing 3 x shield combo
agile elbow
but you're yogi
sick sentinel
for the sake of all of pwar skyhold
weary saddle
actually its quite fun if different gem combos give different results
old sinew
why are ppl discussing 3 x shield combo
Deciding if there is any merit to defense stones if you are afraid of dying in fort TJS for instance. Better to just run stats if you want to live most likely
weary saddle
this desirous prophetic bug actually makes the 424 ring fun
sick sentinel
im probably going to use those rings for a very long time
strong forum
i want them to kill the "bug"
weary saddle
Deciding if there is any merit to defense stones if you are afraid of dying in f...
ic. thanks for backgrd
old sinew
i want them to kill the "bug"
🤷♂️
weary saddle
but the bug makes it fun
strong forum
ring is giving me headaches in whats usuable
cuz without the combo, the ring is worthless
straight up
sick sentinel
it needs stat on it or something
or, oh well, maybe its only fun for 3 months, okay then
old sinew
Bit band was useless unless you ran haste and 3 abilities combo. I’m not sure what the problem is
sick sentinel
^^^^ what he said
strong forum
they had 100% uptime and was just free 6 sockets and bis everywhere
this ring comes at a severe cost
sick sentinel
bit band has stats, so, i dunno if comparable
old sinew
Bit band was good with a specific combo. Same here. It’s crazy to me people are malding that synergy item is good if you play the synergy and not if not
dusky canopy
They should throw Vers on it like the engi bracers
strong forum
the issue is, is that the combo is a massive outlier in performance over other combos by a huge margin
dusky canopy
Then everyone will use it no debate
strong forum
why introduce a ring with 955 combos
when 1 combo is better by 30% than the 2nd best
strong forum
in pretty much every scenario
old sinew
Why introduce bit band when haste was the only good pay-off?
dusky canopy
I agree that they should tone down the outlier so we can actually play around with combos
But they should also put a stat on it
sick sentinel
is the humming+prophetic+delirious
dusky canopy
It feels so weird to not want to use the latest and greatest item
sick sentinel
that much better?
strong forum
yes
narrow hull
I haven't even gotten my ring yet and i'm already sick of it.
topaz latch
yeah
so if you were to add the frost shielding stone, which of the recommended stones would you remove? im guessing humming?
agile elbow
They're easy to get.
sick sentinel
in a high m+ that shield is nothing
old sinew
You can run twilight blood and any good third dps gem anyways. There’s not just one combo. You can play humming, thunder, or if you’re having bad RNG run flame licked or whatever
sick sentinel
the one i want to remove i think its idominitable
strong forum
You can run twilight blood and any good third dps gem anyways. There’s not just ...
that remains to be seen
weary saddle
i see the problem is there is only dps as a measure.
having alternative combos with other non-dps utility would make sense. i was thinking for example of a "kiting" combo, ie a ring which slows/freezes mobs and increases ur speed to run away
weary saddle
i also imagined a ring that would cc mobs that hit u
old sinew
that remains to be seen
What do you mean? Ppl are running humming for ST and thunder for AE.
sick sentinel
20k shield every 20 seconds is almost never gonna be there when you really need it
strong forum
What do you mean? Ppl are running humming for ST and thunder for AE.
gimme a log then
sick sentinel
and uits like one hit
i haven't yet tried the stand still one yet but it seems hopeful judging on comments
old sinew
Log of what?
strong forum
cuz even in m+ humming will bring the vast benefit of doing alot more dps on bosses
if humming does 6k
and storm doesnt do 8k++ overall
humming is better
consistently
weary saddle
humming for tyrannical, storm for fort
old sinew
cuz even in m+ humming will bring the vast benefit of doing *alot* more dps on b...
Ok so your argument isn’t that thunder can’t do more dps but that humming is better because it helps you more where it matters. I can agree with that take
strong forum
yes
but i want a log
of storm infused
to see if its any good
friend of mine is my stone test slave so thats nice, but gotta wait for his logs
weary saddle
i'm on storm+desi+prophet!
weary saddle
the storm needs to crit to even stand a chance to proc. looks abit iffy to me
weary saddle
i'm a haste/vers whore so my crit is low
dusky canopy
My disc buddy got 16% of his damage from the humming combo in a key as healer
Let me ask for his break down
old sinew
Don’t have logs, just my experience and looking at details at end of run. 24 rlp, 24 rlp, 24 Smbg, 24 AB. Ring did 7000 on low end 7200 on high end. 🤷♂️ I’m sure logs will show up as people start using the ring
strong forum
with storm?
old sinew
Yes
dusky canopy
Somewhere around 45k overall was his best so far
Ring literally bumps healers an insane amount
velvet current
Better to do more ST, you reckon, Nomer?
shrewd venture
Hey all, so what primals really work? or better stay with 418/421 rings and forget about it?
dusky canopy
In most cases ST is more value yes
strong forum
and storm is pad
dusky canopy
Aoe is just everyone padding
strong forum
playing ring on my resto druid, it pulls random shit alot
yeah ive noticed that
slim dove
bricked my 20, big sad
strong forum
on dummies, the storm proc would sometimes hit the pvp dummy 40yd away
dusky canopy
In most cases bosses are what kills you not trash mobs even on fort weeks
tropic gorge
Random challenge mode
weary saddle
on dummies, the storm proc would sometimes hit the pvp dummy 40yd away
WHAT
strong forum
sick sentinel
a +20 is just too much stress for me to do i think
tropic gorge
The ring thinks it's too easy, so it helps out by pulling more
strong forum
im 40yd away from the dummy
old sinew
on dummies, the storm proc would sometimes hit the pvp dummy 40yd away
Yup. And it can hit mobs you are not in combat with. I blew up one of the 24 rlp by pulling mini boss at the end with pric 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
dusky canopy
Oh no…
reef holly
on dummies, the storm proc would sometimes hit the pvp dummy 40yd away
I'm pretty sure this happened in one of my keys earlier
sick sentinel
i see someone in that list by name of angry hunter, and it seems to me that the angriest of all players are DH and mages
DH prented to be angry
nocturne spindle
Shiettt time to get rid of my storm one then
sick sentinel
mages really are angry
this kinda sucks i was unlucky and only got one of the 3 stones
i wannahave fun and try this shit out
slim dove
even humming/blood/prohpetic pulled shit for me
sick sentinel
hunters tend to be chill from my experiences
slim dove
the blood stone is wonky as fuck
sick sentinel
some druids are angry
slim dove
orange class cant be angry this expac tbh
3/4 specs are insane
boomie just needs until next expac to setup dps
dusky canopy
boomie just needs until next expac to setup dps <:keks:936231610850897992>
“Until next expansion”
sick sentinel
but of all the people that i have seen go completel monkey brain rage spasm and it wasn't me, is usually a mage
reef holly
I've only had one angry person in one of my pugs: a fellow warrior... 
sick sentinel
i remember in i think upper karazhan that happened once and happened at least once in DF keys
some mage angry af
how has that only happened twice
ohh one was the horn of valor,
this mage wanted horn of valor, talking about it all dungeon said he rand it like, 70 times or 17 times, and i showed him my 411 one with avoidance and end and he lost his mind
tropic gorge
Druids can stay angry
I'm of the opinion that druid has been way over powered for quite some time. Not dk level of op, but up there
dusky canopy
When you go into pugs and out dps them as they tank they tend to keep there opinions to themselves
tropic gorge
Started In wrath, and didn't end until recently. Druids have consistently been a top tier class xpack after xpack
dusky canopy
nocturne spindle
Finally got a whetstone and it has speed 
dusky canopy
Finally got a whetstone and it has speed <:wicked:937093876857045012>
Zoomin
tropic gorge
It's similar to how fire mages went full revolt at the start of df. They finally weren't the top mage spec and bam, the class emptied out
dusky canopy
I thinks it’s because frost and arcane are on the extreme ends of one being incredibly boring pressing 2 buttons and the other has no damage at all if you can’t setup your cds properly
Fire is in between
old sinew
Finally got a whetstone and it has speed <:wicked:937093876857045012>
You can’t stop what you can’t see 
nocturne spindle
Gotta throw on that hov trinket with speed and just kite the whole dungeon
hardy snow
Fire is in between
so it has no dmg if cant setup cds and is inredibly boring? 🤔
versed sleet
If I am using a crafted weapon, is there a significant difference between the Primal Molten Longsword and the Primal Molten Mace? I see that both have the same attack speed and dps, just that the mace has a higher min/lower max damage. Wouldn't the overall damage average out since the weapon dps is the same?
dusky canopy
so it has no dmg if cant setup cds and is inredibly boring? 🤔
No fire has more buttons than frost but less punishing than arcane if you don’t fully optimize combust
tropic gorge
Speed is a great 3rd stat
dusky canopy
Is what I was getting at
strong forum
If I am using a crafted weapon, is there a significant difference between the Pr...
no difference
old sinew
If I am using a crafted weapon, is there a significant difference between the Pr...
The difference is one is cheaper
cursive jacinth
Hey guys quick question, I dont understand how this is good for us: Seal of Diurna's Chosen
strong forum
meh
sick sentinel
procs of the belt
cursive jacinth
Do we do any fire damage?
dusky canopy
If I am using a crafted weapon, is there a significant difference between the Pr...
Mace is cooler ofc that’s the difference
tropic gorge
The sword looks cooler imo
strong forum
wait is that eranog ring
sick sentinel
@cursive jacinth procs off belt
tropic gorge
Lol brew
strong forum
or broodkeeper
versed sleet
Mace is cooler ofc that’s the difference
Plus my dk has maces maxed
strong forum
the names of both rings are fucked
strong forum
is it the dmg or the shield ring
dusky canopy
Lariat/ffb gamer here
strong forum
dmg one is bis at 421
dusky canopy
I like that the ffb also procs new gems
hardy snow
diurna chosen makes pewpew, broodkeper keeps you safe 🙂
versed sleet
Any thoughts on using engineering bracers with a tinker?
dusky canopy
You could it doesn’t use a embellishment
cursive jacinth
<@360827043673407490> procs off belt
I dont have the belt yet. Will still be good just from stats perspective?
dusky canopy
Slap some haste on it and go to town
old sinew
Any thoughts on using engineering bracers with a tinker?
Saved at least one key for me. I consider that worth 🤷♂️
versed sleet
there is no good tinker besides brez basically
That's what I plan to use
dusky canopy
That’s my next craft if I can ever get a spark
sick sentinel
my next craft from spark is to be a haste potion trinket
versed sleet
speaking of sparks, do you have to be 70 to get extras to drop on alts or is it pure rng?
old sinew
my next craft from spark is to be a haste potion trinket
Is this actually better than blazebinder for us?
sick sentinel
i have everytyhing i wanted, but i need to greater infusions
im thinking cuz blaze hoof and totem my 2 currents wont be in season 2
tropic gorge
I need to upgrade my 1h sword with my next spark
sick sentinel
so i'll want new ones, and i wouldn't mind a stat stick for haste
tropic gorge
Or my shield, depending on what m+ gives me
sick sentinel
thats how im arriving at this desicion
hardy snow
Im not sure if we will be able to recraft old items to new ilvls in S2
old sinew
You will need Shadowflame sparks but you will be able to recraft
jagged pier
no
old sinew
just imagine it
I wish. I actually don’t know shit about s2 trinkets other than splinterbark being insane defensively and irideus fragment good for dps
jagged pier
they dont want u to wear it next season
hardy snow
You will need Shadowflame sparks but you will be able to recraft
so I have to use item restoration for my 418 shield that i vendored after getting 421, just in case
old sinew
so I have to use item restoration for my 418 shield that i vendored after gettin...
Yes.
sick sentinel
yeah, i think they are auto-updating all 418 items to be 421 or 421 possible
crafted that is
old sinew
Doubt
hardy snow
they dont want u to wear it next season
they dont want us to wear it at endgame of season, but it will be strong as hc raid lvls
at least, they want it to be at this level of strength