protection

[strong forum]

but was like "maybe he doesnt know"

[winter fossil]

XD

[dusky canopy]

Do you understand why puzzlebox sims as an upgrade for me when I run droptimizer?

Is it the large amount of stats?

[strong forum]

whats your trinkets

and how many targets

cuz all-totem sims terrible in ST

[dusky canopy]

I usually swap between hoof, torch, whetstone, all totem, depends on content

Heroic ilvl raid trinkets 415 dungeon trinkets

[loud crow]

So likely to be bug fixed soonish.

[strong forum]

potentially

dont have confirmation on that yet

[jolly harness]

hey, how do u tell if the new ring is worth it, and if so with what gems?

[dusky canopy]

Nom nvm about box it’s because I was simming 421 options instead of 415 so it was saying 421 box is slightly better than my 415 hoof

[round pendant]

wrong as fuck

[loud crow]

Which family does Prophetic belong to?

[strong forum]

necrotic

[dusky canopy]

It makes sense that they’ll be buffing them

Nobody wants to use them outside of tanks

Witch means they’ll be super good for us

Hope they can make it good for mythic plus even without stats

[sick sentinel]

how is it worse lol

new is on the right btw

[restive crown]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uLx59trH6VuCtAjXBgz1Tg

i am running crafted 418 and 421 melandrus ring

how come the 424 annulet is just a side grade on single target? when it is 6% upgrade on the pinned sim

[dusky canopy]

It’s because of your current gear

[uneven mason]

Because math

[dusky canopy]

It’s not the same as what’s in the pinned sim

[round pendant]

It's not any better other than "pixels bad" which is a braindead take

I'd say it's bad because these new icons are the most generic looking icons possible

[restive crown]

oh i js thought the gear in the pinned sim shud b close to mine, but i guess not lol

[dusky canopy]

Yeah the pinned sim uses the best possible combination of gear at 421 or higher item level

You won’t really get the same numbers

Also

[round pendant]

They need to buff the new ring already

[dusky canopy]

Are you using the appropriate ilvl gems in the sim?

You could be simming the non upgraded versions

[restive crown]

hmm there is no ilevel for the gems when i used gear compare?

[dusky canopy]

I haven’t played around with the sim yet so I can’t give you the most accurate information but that’s something to take a look at

Make sure theyre at max ilvl

[strong forum]

did you sim nightly build

cuz weekly build isnt anywhere updated

use nightly

[restive crown]

ahh no wonder

[topaz latch]

hey all, which dps spec is a more convenient/easier offspec for prot warrs? mostly the one with the least amount of gear switching

[dusky canopy]

Arms uses same stats

Fury is easier to pick up

[astral crystal]

what's a good ring combo for st?

[dusky canopy]

Eggnog/melandrus or eggnog/new ring

[velvet current]

Arms only needs one 2h

[topaz latch]

excellent. Im mostly haste/verse/master on prot, good to know arms uses those well

[dusky canopy]

Oh well wait then

If you’re mostly haste/Vers/mastery

Then def play fury

Arms like Crit/haste

[topaz latch]

ive only touched the dps specs like once i think. dont know nothing

[topaz latch]

do a lot of prot warrs do crit/haste?

[dusky canopy]

Only the chads ofc

[topaz latch]

lolol, i just started wow a couple months ago, and chose warrior to main like a few weeks ago so im still trying to learn all the chad moves lol

[dusky canopy]

Pretty much the only Vers you settle with is from the eranog ring

[strong forum]

tank gearing is pretty simple

ilvl >> haste > crit/vers > mastery

[topaz latch]

ill obviously change weapons easily but i wanted to minimize changing armor, and mostly use ring and trinket swaps to alter the stats and stuff to suit dps needs

[strong forum]

if you wanna min-max dmg, you can sim

[topaz latch]

as prot or arms?

[dusky canopy]

Both

Every one thinks you need all kinds of Vers as Prot

But you do not

[topaz latch]

damn. bunch of guides tol me verse. so now i wasted crafted secondaries on verse lol

[dusky canopy]

Don’t worry that much

[topaz latch]

fk

[dusky canopy]

You can still succeed!

[topaz latch]

thats a lot of resources down the drain lolol

[dusky canopy]

Ilvl is king anyway

[topaz latch]

ok thats good lolol

[dusky canopy]

Fortunately for you if you really want to min max you can just get your crafted gear recrafted with a different missive

[topaz latch]

so like my stats go something like this
19 cr
26 ha
27 mast
10 ish verse

and all the guides say im bad

[topaz latch]

oh wait what!!

[dusky canopy]

Nah you’re not bad

[topaz latch]

id love to get rid of verse because it takes SOOO many points to gain a single percent

[dusky canopy]

Exactly

[topaz latch]

mastery is juicy but no one likes it as much as me so ill trust them

seems like a few points into mast and it jumps up several percents

i really liked stacking crit. but after reading the guides, i got rid of them for verse lolol

[topaz latch]

how would you, personally, switch around my secondaries, as a rough guide. after work im going to go change my missives

[dusky canopy]

I personally would do Crit/haste on all my missives

So that’s what I suggest

I also run high Crit low haste gems with the lariat necklace so the proc gives me haste

But that’s because the sim told me it’s good

[lunar gazelle]

Why

[modern brook]

rng crit procs are bad because you either crit or you dont so its 5050

[dusky canopy]

Yeah for sure I assume that’s why the sim has me using lariat proccing haste

Er Crit/haste gems anyway

[modern brook]

iunno i was joking cause work is for losers 😦

[strong forum]

stat spread wont stop you from doing any kind of content

[dusky canopy]

^

[strong forum]

aslong as your ilvl is at an alright level, the only one holding you back is your own ability to play the game and who you play with

[modern brook]

Nom in Avatar; I shield slam ->tclap (no reset) -> revenj (get reset) -> [?]

do i slam or clap after that revnj

idr

in multi target obvs

[strong forum]

depends on how many target and your rage situation

and if theres a prio target or not

and how much rage away you are from outburst

[modern brook]

smh

thanks coach

[dapper shuttle]

what gems should we be running in the ring? sorry if i missed it somewhere prior. i did see the pinned but dont know if its worth incase a hotfix was coming

[strong forum]

if youre 35 rage away from outbust, you press SS->ip->revenge until you can send SS

[strong forum]

whatevers colour you like rn

[modern brook]

ohhh even in avatar?

[strong forum]

just farm fragments

[modern brook]

i guess i knew this tbh

its how im playing

[strong forum]

and the dmg gems

and hold off on upgrading for a bit

[glad sail]

Any ideas on how long to farm out ideal gems and then to upgrade them?

[dry spear]

does raidbot account when i sim as a prot, that i take dmg? or is it just a 5 min dummy test? i ask because of the indomitable earth stone + shining obsidian stone combo

[strong forum]

rng

took me 1hr to get ideal combo (the potentialyl bugged one)

some people took more

[dusky canopy]

It takes a couple hours to open all the vaults right?

[strong forum]

also depends how many alts you have

keys are acc bound

so if you have 10 alts

you can instantly open all vaults

[topaz latch]

damn, there goes my gems and lariat missive too lolol. its like i read a guide on how to do prot warr backwards or something. now my lariat procs verse lolol

[topaz latch]

i like the arms trope, theme, a little better than fury. so if i go haste crit master, i can more feasibly offspec arms?

[proud patrol]

do you guys have an addon or weakaura recommendation to track elites on the map? my npc scan addon is not reacting after killing them once

[loud crow]

Can you have two annulets? One for single target, one for AoE?

[topaz latch]

why to which part?

[unreal marlin]

speaking for 24+ keys, having Tiersetgloves wiht avoidance is better then crit/haste gloves, right? so basicly losing ~250 haste but getting avoidance

[atomic nest]

anyone messed around with indormitable earth stone for absorbds from ring?

[sly shale]

21 azure vault, with the new ring, idk if its wort the stat loss

[strong forum]

id say that >7% dmg is pretty good

[unreal marlin]

the bis setup should be even higher ( if not fixed)

[old sinew]

The twilight blood Arcane setup?

[unreal marlin]

ye

[dusky canopy]

Go Crit/haste everything and then it will work great for your goal of wanting to play Prot and arms

7m dps from procs

Is def better than about 1000 stat???

[uneven mason]

Hmm

Yeah that's chonky

[topaz latch]

excellent, but for a full picture, itd be like 90-95% prot, 5-10% DPS; if that changes anything. wat does fury like? now i dont trust the guides lol.

[dusky canopy]

That’s huge

[unreal marlin]

tbh i hate playing 2 rings without haste (eranogg). i would be down to 3400 haste, with howling rune active

[uneven mason]

Haste Master for fury

[dusky canopy]

And that’s not even the supposed bis combination

[old sinew]

You know what I hate? Playing AA and then playing any other key. 5% haste diff 😱

[uneven mason]

Like prot has no fucks to give about 2ndaries really they're all good

[charred gyro]

am I doing this right

[topaz latch]

thank you!

I dont know who the president of protection warriors is, but wowhead seems to put a lil more value on verse

[strong forum]

SS should be way higher

[dusky canopy]

^^

This guy

Knows best

[topaz latch]

ok this is a bit comforting.

[uneven mason]

Looks suss

[old sinew]

Someone pointed out all of those numbers are low. Might have been like a 20 or 30 second pull at most not overall in a key

[quiet monolith]

has someone decided yet what gems i need to do

plz daddy

[dusky canopy]

Yeah it’s pinned

[mystic sleet]

might seems to be a stupid question, but how/were i can sim my char with primordial stones?^^ , dont see any options for^^

[uneven mason]

Looks like they just took a snapshot as soon as they got a proc

[gloomy otter]

What is the ideal gem combo. I've seen a few talked about

[quiet monolith]

Storm Infused Stone/Desirous Blood Stone/Prophetic Twilight Stone

for m+, according to pin

[strong forum]

melee dmg is barely behind SS

[old sinew]

Btw do we know if Blizzard actually intends to nerf that combo? I thought Blizzard wanted us to use this ring

[strong forum]

we strongly suspect it but we havent had word on it yet

[modern brook]

I mean

its not like its hard to fix a bug

and then adjust numbers

[strong forum]

with this wowheadpost just coming out we might get a reaction relatively soon

nvm

[old sinew]

Huh?

[topaz latch]

can we still get this appearance and if so, how?

[modern brook]

balance of power

[tropic tangle]

that's the hidden one, not balance

and yes, you can get it, you just have to show up until it happens

[modern brook]

oh

my b

havent thought about this shit since 2016

[tropic tangle]

lol, I did that one in Slands

it's really annoying unless you get lucky

[modern brook]

BoP is the axe right?

[tropic tangle]

yeah

[modern brook]

Im p sure i just got the Arms one

and used the alternate colors to have it for the other specs

[amber siren]

yeah its still obtainable, just need to wait till the quest comes up

[tropic tangle]

yeah, just have to check every day

after making sure you're flagged for it

[granite pond]

ST sim actually shows that my signet of melandrus @ 415 is better than the annulet

[toxic pewter]

Ngl blizzard really messed up the tuning on the ring lol

[wraith niche]

Shield iLvl over anything right? Got 421 shield in vault but its the verse mastery one. Should still be significant upgrade over any 415 shield right?

[toxic pewter]

Hell yeah you take that shield

[green prawn]

prophetic twighlight stone sims superhigh for me. is my shit just wrong?

[topaz latch]

what would the ideal stats on a 421 shield be?

[icy bane]

Haste Vers one

[hardy snow]

haste

[icy bane]

Think it’s from AV?

[sick sentinel]

What is the gem combination with least know bugs that is decent?
Pined one ?

[icy bane]

Prophetic + Desirous doing the most damage but the interaction is bugged and will probably be fixed

[hard vector]

hey, a bit of help with my vault please if you dont mind 🙂
diurna ring or melandrus

[topaz latch]

crystallized bulwark?

[icy bane]

Ye that one

[green prawn]

https://i.imgur.com/WrKhiFb.png

like

what

[topaz latch]

what would put on a crafted 415 shield?

[icy bane]

Think melandrus because if you just doing two boss mythic have a higher chance of seeing eggnog ring again

[sick sentinel]

wowhead article updated to the buged interactions?

[icy bane]

Haste/Crit

[hard vector]

What about the new ring from 10.0.7?

[topaz latch]

thanks!

[icy bane]

Could do Eggnog/Annulet with fire proc but think 421 melandrus might be better?

Probably should just sim it

[hard vector]

Thats what I thought about doing, but no idea how to sim the amulet

[strong forum]

so far

[hard vector]

Annulet

[icy bane]

Why did blizzard name it so close to amulet

[strong forum]

it looks like only rly the "bugged" combo is worth to run

[hard vector]

Lol

[strong forum]

in m+*

there is another combo thats alright which is flamelicked + pestilence + obscure

[paper valve]

how do u get get to this chest?

[topaz latch]

i dont think they invented the name

[strong forum]

but thats 1k behind the ST ring setup

[strong forum]

and 2.5k behind the aoe bug setup

[unkempt rover]

I should probably go outside

[strong forum]

im in the same boat

i have 6 upgrades ready

just waiting for fix or not

[granite pond]

So assuming the bugged interaction is fixed, it's probably best to just build it for single target and use it only for that

[strong forum]

pmuch

at 424 there are slight dmg increases

thats 5t 1.5min

[icy bane]

Obscure better then freezing ice? Interesting

[strong forum]

no external buffs

[unkempt rover]

at 411, it increased my overall by 4%

[mystic sleet]

were i can sim the stones?

[strong forum]

gear compare

you have to add them manually

and copy it into several gear sets

[grim berry]

I didn't read the info on the patch, is the ring quick to upgrade to 424 ?

[green prawn]

like numbers for me seem wayyy to high, some an idea if some sims are just fucky?

https://i.imgur.com/WrKhiFb.png

[atomic nest]

is desired blood stone from necrotic family btw?

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/forbidden-reach/primordial-stones

you can check families here

if you scroll down

[atomic nest]

yay ty

[strong forum]

[strong forum]

yea

oh wait

my sims arent with melandrus ring

hol up

[granite pond]

for me melandrus at 415 is coming out over all of them lol

[icy bane]

Still gotta get pestilent one, been liking storm infused with brew monk

[strong forum]

ye i forgot to include melandrus

mb

[mystic sleet]

ta m8, but raidbots cant find any gems im tryin to put in

[strong forum]

works on my machine

you can literally see it on stream

yeah so only the "bugged" combo is winning on aoe vs melandrus

[granite pond]

The question becomes is it a bug they're likely to fix lol

[strong forum]

yeah

on ST all of em are slight upgrades over 415 melandrus without a socket

so yeah, only good for ST

[topaz latch]

do you have an updated guide on how to get this? i looked up wowhead and its using terms that arent used anymore, like artifact power etc etc

[strong forum]

go into the cave

[grizzled kite]

are the pinned builds specifically to M+ updated?

[strong forum]

and check if its there

yes

[sleek tendon]

its the Ring worth for Prot?

[grizzled kite]

the first one isnt importing properly

😦

[opaque drum]

mmm bugged combo simming 2k less for me and i've got only 405 crafted ring and 405 melandrus =/

[strong forum]

in which scenario

[sleek tendon]

For raid

[strong forum]

cuz i just simmed all viable m+ scenarios

and raid

[opaque drum]

aoe 5 target 1m 30 sec

[strong forum]

yeah

as i said

on aoe the ring wont be worth outside the "bugged" combo

[sleek tendon]

but on single target ?

[strong forum]

thast 1minute 5t

on ST the bugged combo is worth 4k dps over melandrus

[opaque drum]

okok good to know

[strong forum]

on st multiple combos are better than melandrus

but IF the combo gets fixed, you just ignore annulet for m+

THAT BEING SAID

if you arent as good at pwar so that you can compete with the top 1% in dmg output

the ring is likely to be a bigger upgrade than the sim suggests

atleast % wise

gotta keep in mind that the sim assumes close to perfect play

[amber gate]

so basically i got a 421 melandrus and a 418 crafted is worth swapping one of them

to ammulet ?

[strong forum]

only if youre not good at pressing buttons

for raid, it is worth in all cases

[amber gate]

what's pressing buttons have to do with a ring anyways

[dusky canopy]

Andy’s about to try 26 temple 3rd boss ought to be good

[balmy briar]

shield you get on the top level

[lunar jewel]

Is Big Toe a bad trinket for prot?

[grizzled kite]

Heavy Rep over ItF? Or is ItF a huge deal?

[dusky canopy]

Nvm they going halls lol

[balmy briar]

is the math that everyone doing now with just the 411 versions or capped versions of the ring?

[strong forum]

cuz for melandrus ring to be better, you have to play well to make benefit of the stats of the ring

the annulet doesnt care about how well you press your buttons, the procs will happen if you have 40 cpm or 70 cpm, itll do the same

pretty self explanatory

[astral crystal]

Should i drop eranog ring for annulet? 🤔

[strong forum]

no

[astral crystal]

other slot is crafted 418

[strong forum]

if you can proc eggnog

its better

[astral crystal]

i've got belt

though maybe i take a fire proc on the ring?

aaaaa

[strong forum]

nah doesnt sim better

to drop fire belt

if thats what you mean

[stable raft]

is there any other way to farm the primordial fragments?

[astral crystal]

ye

[strong forum]

spam farming elites and rares

and sending keys over from alts

[stable raft]

in that big cave then is good right?

[strong forum]

ye

[hardy snow]

and how about both, FF belt and fire annulet combined, does this increase amount of procs of eranog ring over just FF belt? 🤔

[strong forum]

by a small amount yes

[tropic tangle]

there are some things you need to do for flagging, like reading something in the warrior area from Legion

[topaz latch]

interesting. the warrior area being skyhold?

[tropic tangle]

yeah

[stable raft]

do you have to do the intro quests on alts
?

[tropic tangle]

basically follow the old legion guide, ignore shit like artifact power

[strong forum]

can skip it

[stable raft]

thank god!

[topaz latch]

ok so use the old '16 guides but skip over obsolete features?

[quiet monolith]

storm/twilight/desirous?

seems to be the play ya? for m+?

[strong forum]

i wrote a pin explaining the situation

[quiet monolith]

cool ty

[split eagle]

anyone knows what is the sequence of defensives for shattering shroud?

how should i plan my cds and potions

[quiet monolith]

i have a socketed 415 melandrus... so i would have to drop my 392 eranog ring... which seems bad?

[strong forum]

392 eragon is not worth it

That's way too low ilvl

Needs to 408 minimum to be useful

[topaz latch]

do you all prefer sophic devotion or the ice enchant for your weapon?

[dusky canopy]

Devotion is bis with high item level

[dark lark]

They're both called devotion

Sophic vs frozen

[strong forum]

Frozen Sims higher for me so I do that

Defensively sophic is better

[topaz latch]

ye sorry thats what i meant

[dusky canopy]

“If you’re not pulling close to 70k overalls”

My man

Set the bar way up there

[strong forum]

[granite pond]

Basically if you're not in the MDI, use the damn ring 🙂

[dusky canopy]

So like besides 40 people the ring is an upgrade

[topaz latch]

which devotion tho

[dusky canopy]

XD

[dark lark]

My DPS players can't even reach that

[strong forum]

I mean, I can lower it to 60k

[dusky canopy]

A hahaha

[strong forum]

Still kinda applies

[dusky canopy]

I’m just memeing man

[granite pond]

Hopefully if they do fix the bug, they at least announce it

[strong forum]

But at that point a person knows if they're good or not

[dusky canopy]

The point is made

[strong forum]

Yeah it's just so people have a general idea

[balmy briar]

if anyone on A52 needs the upgrade stuff, Hazha can make them.

[strong forum]

Sims assume perfect play, if you're not close to that, the ring is likely an upgrade

[wintry flax]

this chat scares me.. too many smart people

[dusky canopy]

People can basically look at their percentile for damage in keys and if you’re not like 99% just use the ring

[old sinew]

Ok so I made the ring and played with it and it seems good but not like bonkers insane. Why do we think an obvious synergy that is moderately strong is going to get nerfed? I thought the whole point of this ring was to run synergy builds not just yolo 3 random gems in it

[dusky canopy]

I think you are getting double ppm

That’s not intended

[strong forum]

cuz it literally outperforms others by over 1k dps in ST

a massive outlier, from a looped interaction of a dmg gem which gets procced of another gem which only procs healing gems from a dmg gem

[dusky canopy]

Maybe they’ll just buff the others by 1k

🧠

[quiet monolith]

oh, really? even with FF belt. damn, im dumb. k, ill just replace it then with the new ring

[strong forum]

desirous does healing (and dmg at the same time), therefor it can be procced by prophetic, which doesnt seem intended

cuz you like triple or quadruple desirous dmg

also humming

which can be procced by desirous, which can proc prophetic

it doesnt create actual loops, but its alot of OP synergy

[modern relic]

do i need to do something specific when simming the rings, i have both combinations and when i sim for single target 1 boss the flame licked stone/ Freezing ice stone / hummin arcane stone ring outperforms the bugged ring (desirious/Preothetic/humming) both are 424.

[strong forum]

on early PTR it actually infinitely looped

[dusky canopy]

Oh so they already corrected it once

I bet it’s staying in that case

[strong forum]

u sure youre comparing both rings against each other

[mystic sleet]

is this normal with that gem?^^

[strong forum]

in gear comapre you have to create 2 sets, with a different ring in each set

[old sinew]

We will see. I hope they consider buffing other synergy gems. Like the earth one that deals damage when you gain an absorb. What’s the point of all of these synergies if most are worse than flat stats?

[modern relic]

i actually simmed the ring out of the bag

[strong forum]

did you add 2 different rings

to top gear

or just link the sim

thats alot easier

[strong forum]

yes

[modern relic]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/222GeRVtwoR1fKcXHHixE8
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oou8g1zApQviSW4592aC7u -> bugged one

[strong forum]

youre not on the nightly build

you simmed with weekly build

[surreal lake]

which combo?

[strong forum]

go to nightly

[modern relic]

ahh thanks man!

[strong forum]

explained in pins

[rough abyss]

what's the Nighty build?

[strong forum]

its just the most updated version of sims

[dusky canopy]

Add that to an execute macro

[limpid wave]

prophetic is which element?

[modern relic]

you can choose it in sim parameters i guess it s newer version

[dusky canopy]

/cast execute
/s go to nightly

[strong forum]

you can check on wowhead which gem is which element

ill head out now

[surreal lake]

thanks i'll just wait with upgrading them

[slim dove]

shadow iirc

[limpid wave]

got it, ty!

[sick sentinel]

Someone smart tell me the gems to use

[slim dove]

pins

[hard dust]

how effective is the new ring vs just good secondaries?

oh just realized thats been the topic of today xD just now reading up on messages

[granite pond]

TLDR: unless you're the best warrior around, the (current) ring is good

[mystic sleet]

best stones set up pure def wise?

[granite pond]

def wise? i don't understand the question...

I don't know that anyone has actually tested the various utility/defense ones

but generally you don't go for def procs/trinkets/etc

[fresh igloo]

there's a message in the pins

[tropic gorge]

Ugh. I don't want to use this new ring. But I probably will have to

[strong forum]

You don't have to

But it does help average players out a bit

And it is really easy to acquire at 411

[tropic gorge]

Ah I'm not exactly a "pro" level player and can only recently made improvements to get over 60cpm

As much as I'd like to tell myself "pfff I'm too pro for that", I'm probably not lmao

I'm gonna get it either way, incase it's changed in the future or randomly becomes a hot or bis item

[karmic plinth]

ion said they want it to be an item that gets used all through aberrus progression

so its likely it will see buffs of some kind

[tropic gorge]

I'll believe it when I see it. Ion says a lot of things lol

But that's also why I'm gonna collect it. Just incase he's true to his word

Do I think he will be? No, I don't. But better safe than sorry

[fallow nova]

They've been noticeably more aggressive with tweaking things this expansion, pretty consistently

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah definitely do the content while it’s the only thing left to do besides push io

[tall cedar]

easy socket again...

[old sinew]

IIRC he said it is intended to be bis by every single spec in the game in this patch and not to be replaced by anything until you've got two mythic rings in 10.1. So I don't know why people think it will be nerfed if it is good. If anything they're likely to focus on bringing underperformin gbuilds up

[tropic gorge]

I gained a lot of rep out there doing quests last night when I played

So that was very nice

[old sinew]

In fact Ion said they're more likely to make it too good and then nerf it at some point in 10.1 if you never end up replacing it

[odd tree]

i thought this was temporary borrowed power, like it won't be used in 10.1

is it scaling beyond its current ilvl?

[old sinew]

I'm not arguing how it is or isn't. Ion's intent is that you will be using this thing in 10.1 for quite a while. Not forever if you're a mythic raider or moderately high M+ player, but until you get two mythic ilvl rings

he's done like 3 different interviews at this point where he's confirmed that is their intent

[tropic gorge]

And if both my current rings are 12/13?

[uneven mason]

Then it might be good

[fallow nova]

Would the magma stone trigger off of IP since it's a partial absorb?

[dusky canopy]

Yoo that’d be sweet

[old sinew]

Look, Ion has lied or just been wrong about things before. I'm just saying, it would behoove you to invest the time to do the vault stuff because if the ring is currently still underperforming for a number of specs, its likely to get another round of buffs as their intent that every single player should prefer this as their BIS.

[fallow nova]

I want to try magma/earth/obsidian to see how much dmg it does in a key vs the simmed DPS ones

[old sinew]

people who aren't doing the ring grind because "it isn't good right now" are kidding themselves

that's my only point

[topaz mauve]

I'm not seeing anything in Raidbots to sim the gems for myself, what am i missing?

[uneven mason]

They originally said they didn't want people using these if they were already in mythic gear Because borrowed power is bad

[twin bramble]

Is it too soon to ask if we have a point of view in which 3 stones to put in ring for prot warrior? Note that in new with no m+ or raid gear so I’ll be using it short term even if it’s not bis 😁

[fresh igloo]

pinned message

[old sinew]

I don't know how long ago that was but they've obviously changed their tune.

[twin bramble]

Thanks!

[old sinew]

ion's been consistent across the last ~3 interviews he's done about what he thinks about it

everyone should use it, if you aren't using it now they will buff it until you do use it, you should continue to use it until you have 10.1 mythic ilvl rings, and if you don't replace this ring with 10.1 mythic ilvl rings they will consider nerfing the ring until you do during 10.1

🤷‍♂️

[naive panther]

Basically what I get out of pins is don't bother with ring.

[old sinew]

pepehammer take

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[tropic gorge]

Should probably at least go get it and do associated quests and stuff

That's my plan atm

[dusky canopy]

He even says that right below your previous message

[tropic gorge]

I don't belive for one second it'll be what they say it is. But if I'm wrong, I'll have it anyway

[sick sentinel]

• bonk *

[undone ice]

Hi, did you have try new ring ?

we lose huge Hast when we remove Titan ring

i try new ring i'm 43.3k overall on +17TJS with defensive posture (417 ilvl) its bad no ?

[old sinew]

then you're set. If you have it anyway you're good to go. I'm more-so talking about the people who look at this, think they don't need to do anything, then a week or two from now when the ring gets buffed start malding are shooting themselves in the foot. It's not even that big of a time-sink tbh. what else are people doing at this point in the patch anyways

[modern brook]

Defensive posture

[dusky canopy]

It’s good with the right gems

[modern brook]

Sounds like play issue tbh, not the ring

[undone ice]

Yes ty but not help me

[undone ice]

yes because heal do not follow with aggrave affix

[sick sentinel]

i think i will enjoy that ring regardless the gems i get

when i get it

still haven't

bonus side quest weekly event occured, fix neighbours tv, gave rep

[low salmon]

what are the best defensive stones for the annulet?

[dusky canopy]

The damage ones

[low salmon]

[undone ice]

i think with my 24% hast its bad

[modern brook]

A ring with stats

[silver pumice]

Is it even worth to use onyx? losing so much haste

[sick sentinel]

would that ring still be definsevly bad if u filled it up with tank stuff

i only saw some of the effects, but im not sure how i will fill it

[old sinew]

you get healing from the twilight combo anyways

[undone ice]

strop trash talk this ring will be BIS for everyone at s2

[old sinew]

not a ton but like... some. and then you are already getting back like 25% damage dealt as either healing or IP value IIRC. It's fine. You don't need a rnadom absorb

[indigo wharf]

if i have crafted ring and 415 melandrus its worth to use new ring?

[sick sentinel]

this is appreciated, but i have none

not at lvl 70 anyways

its benthiccc gear all overagain

[chilly brook]

No it’s not

[uncut notch]

Anyone got an intervene @ focus macro? this doesnt work for some reason?

[old sinew]

benthic was obnoxious because of the bonus properties. this is just random catch-up gear

[chilly brook]

^

[sick sentinel]

we called it benthic everyone i saw for trhe first 2 months or so

cuz it was apparently thicc ilvl good way to gear ur alts

[chilly brook]

Using a comparison to benthic is bad

Benthic required you to farm it on your main because of the extra properties in the raid

[warm plinth]

Doesn't work in what way? What happens when you press it? What bind is it on?

[sick sentinel]

this new catch up gear might get me playing alts

i doubt it, we will see

[uneven mason]

TFW m+ was the catch up mechanics

[uncut notch]

I think ive fixed it

[uneven mason]

Remove the space and lowercase?

[chilly brook]

TFW this xpac has been very alt friendly to begin with

[cinder nova]

Too many spaces

[dusky canopy]

The free sparks and crafted gear makes it very friendly alone

[blazing glen]

so do we know any1thing about stones?

[peak kiln]

what stones ? 😈

[blazing glen]

for rings

[peak kiln]

please first, read the pins, after that if any questions left just ask here. 🙂

[sick sentinel]

@low salmonalot of these guys are very monkey brain and only think in terms of dps number + living or not = only 2 important things

nothing else at all matter, acocrding to them, seems to be 90% of discord wow users..... yeah... i get it.... lol..

[modern brook]

weird take; nothing else does matter.

Losing offensive options to take RNG defensive upgrades is objectively bad, regardless of the throughput of the ring/stones themselves

IF you want a ring thats strong defensively

take one with a bunch of haste

else just sim the onyx against your current ring for dammy

[sick sentinel]

its not that i don't understand or agree with dps is the only important thing if u survive

[low salmon]

i main fury. so tanking is a thing only when my guild needs an extra tank. im not that amazing as tanking on warrior (most of my xp is on bdk), so i need more survivability options to not burden the healers more. so whilst i understand that damage matters, it doesnt matter that much to me

[sick sentinel]

transcends all video games, even board games and hell even life, don't die, do things to stay alive, no shit lol,

just at a certain point of optimizing, tolls on mental

like after you're commiting to too many things simultanouse

[dusky canopy]

Lul

[modern brook]

this is going to come across way more aggressively than i intend it: you're currently asking for advice on how to play prot badly

[dusky canopy]

Advising people to optimize damage is not being monkey brain

[fringe iron]

is the combo in the pins generally what seems most busted? I'm simming the M+ suggested on from Wowhead and seems like it is ok but is all offensive throughput

[dusky canopy]

We become more tanky optimizing for damage

[low salmon]

i can't take it aggressively, because i am not a seasoned tank player so no worries! 🙂

[dusky canopy]

Use what’s pinned if you have them

[sick sentinel]

i know that it is not monkey brain but i feel like it is

[undone ice]

suggestion on wowhead for Mm+ War Prot is not good !!

[waxen orbit]

WHAT'S GOOD YOU MOTHERFUCKERS

I'M BACK FOR GOOD NOW

[dusky canopy]

Playing better improves your tanky not a little bit of Vers or a tank trinket

[undone ice]

have the impression that a war prot below 30% haste really does no damage

[waxen orbit]

True

[old sinew]

does anything else matter?

[tropic gorge]

Well, 30 percent haste without ITF is very difficult to get

[waxen orbit]

Are 50k overalls at the end of keys at 385 ilvl good?

[sick sentinel]

i have a ton of haste if i go fury, 666 over first barrier 30% no food buffs

[old sinew]

on a lot of tyrannical bosses I've noticed in 24+ keys the easiest way to live the boss better is for the boss to die 20 seconds faster

[waxen orbit]

Figuring they're semi-decent

[dusky canopy]

Yeah that’s good

[undone ice]

100% of 100 best War Prot on RIO m+ havee between 33 - 40% hast

[tropic gorge]

In aa? Kinda. In anything else, you're a king

[dusky canopy]

Top end is around 70k

[modern brook]

[waxen orbit]

YO WHAT'S GOOD BULL

[sick sentinel]

i could hit 40% haste on fury if i did more farming valors

[modern brook]

im going to have an aneurysm if somone asks about this ring again

otherwise pretty ok

[dusky canopy]

In AA top end is over 100k

[waxen orbit]

I'm figuring it's a decent replacement for a 359 ring kekw

[sick sentinel]

is fury haste goof for mythic + or raids, im not a a fury/ arrms main for some time now

[undone ice]

Guys please

we are in #protection here

wed dont care about Fury

[dusky canopy]

So yeah

Fury uses haste everywhere

[shrewd grove]

How about that ring

[dusky canopy]

What ring

[waxen orbit]

[sick sentinel]

diablo haste

[undone ice]

How u have 39% hast without ring titan ?

[dusky canopy]

“Guys why can’t I find the new gems in the auction house?”

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5AkIfgioA4

tl;dr someones fucking with the 2 boomers by recording and playing them secretly as joke

[strong forum]

Did you break up with your GF

[waxen orbit]

All 5

Yeah

[dusky canopy]

Biggest dps gain

🧠

[waxen orbit]

Been a wild 7 months b

(There was no overlap)

[mighty valley]

Does being back on WoW mean you're more depressed or less depressed

[waxen orbit]

Before it meant more

Now it means less

[mighty valley]

We love to hear it

[waxen orbit]

[dusky canopy]

Ain’t that the truth

[wintry flax]

this has been a read 📚

[waxen orbit]

Doing very well. Had a dip in my mental health, but took an academic withdrawal from school for this semester and am coming back stronger to study law at Georgetown in fall. Until then, I'm reclaiming my throne ✔️

Good to be back

[dusky canopy]

Pop in every couple hours useually the content is great

[waxen orbit]

I look forward to sifting through braindead DPS charts

[mighty valley]

Georgetown law sounds fancy as fuck, sounds good

[wintry flax]

the cycle, of the ring questions is cracking me up.

[strong forum]

Pretty sure I formulated my pin well enough that a simple

Should suffice

Same as mwahi Sims for visual aid

[waxen orbit]

Do people not check pins?

[dusky canopy]

You actually learn a lot simply reading all the shit posting we do

[waxen orbit]

Why am I even asking actually

[wintry flax]

people absolutely do not check pins ha

[waxen orbit]

Goated emote

[mighty valley]

yeah cmon thwump you didn't get brain damage and lose all your discord memories

[waxen orbit]

Fair point

[waxen orbit]

The way I was acting over WoW a year ago you'd assume I had brain damage though

Let me change my icon, I'm no longer the Thwumplander

[dusky canopy]

Thuwmper no thuwmping

[waxen orbit]

Thwumper only thwumping

[mighty valley]

"I'm normal now" - thwump until his second azure vault pug

[upper tinsel]

can someone please explain this ?

How the ffuck is that ring 443

[dusky canopy]

Sipping tea!

The goat

[waxen orbit]

I hope to God I never go back to that rage LMAO

I don't drink anymore so I'll probably be fine

inb4 M+ pushes me to drink

[wintry flax]

^

[dusky canopy]

You stream?

[waxen orbit]

I used to but never really got any traction; I'm down to start streaming again though

Been thinking about it with the new recording mic I got

Still using a $35 Webcam from BestBuy tho

[dusky canopy]

Right on homie get it!

[sick sentinel]

i have 2 webcam a logitech shit something c270 ithink is model and the other is an avermedia 1080p 60fps

[daring marlin]

Need season 4 asap bruv

[sick sentinel]

+semi broken c270, the cable need re-attached

[daring marlin]

prolly not til november

[waxen orbit]

My webcam is 1080p I think 30FPS

Not a bad one

[dusky canopy]

Season 2 lasting until November

[daring marlin]

talking about his pfp

😏

[dusky canopy]

Oh word

[sick sentinel]

this one costed me 35 usd

[waxen orbit]

Huh

Oh it's in reference to S4 last expac

kekw

[topaz latch]

wat is ITF?

[urban portal]

into the fray

and yeah you have to be pretty blessed with gear to hit 30

[daring marlin]

My man you have Butcher as your pfp

[waxen orbit]

OH

I THOUGHT YOU MEANT

MY PROFILE DESCRIP

ON R.IO

MB

[daring marlin]

NAW FAM

[waxen orbit]

DUDE I NEED S4

[daring marlin]

🤣

FOR REAL

[strong forum]

armory bug

[modern brook]

[topaz latch]

does anybody take that?

[urban portal]

If you have 30% haste yeah

[strong forum]

not in push keys

outside of that in meme keys/pad keys, its playable

[lunar gazelle]

bis gems in new ring?

[strong forum]

[topaz latch]

ok, im pretty new, and the other choice seems to good, but i wouldnt be the one to know for sure

[sick sentinel]

i don't see any reputation bar for dark talons

[topaz latch]

check horde under "classic"

[lunar gazelle]

which one is the propetic

like arcane etc

[topaz latch]

Every key is a push key for me

[sick sentinel]

okay i see that now, but i wonder why its not under dragon flight??>???

[strong forum]

just play HR

[sick sentinel]

wait, what is dark talons rep, i don't recall ever seeing that one before

[karmic plinth]

horde dracthyr faction

[strong forum]

idk maybe a new patch happened

[sick sentinel]

o right

[modern brook]

[sick sentinel]

so there is a human version too

[karmic plinth]

its been there since 10.0 but you had no reason to interact with it as a non dracthyr

[sick sentinel]

err not human, u kno what i mean

[topaz latch]

thats what im doing. seems too good to give up.

[strong forum]

yes

[dapper vapor]

Does Llarold still hang out here

Notice he wrote the Wowhead set bonus article

[modern brook]

hes still in the disc

he pops in every now and again

I would imagine going to his discord is probably a better way to get ahold of him ireally thought he advertised his own discord :/

[topaz latch]

like his own personal discord or like another class hall type of discord?

[karmic plinth]

you could probably reach him on twitter too

[strong forum]

you can literally ping him here if you have questions, he usually shows up quite quickly

he just doesnt hang around the discords

[topaz latch]

oh, im not the one looking for him. im just curious how many guide based discords there are

for wow

[old sinew]

People explaining this twilight bug have just made me more confused. What is actually happening? So the intended design is that when I steal life using the blood gem, my other DPS gem should proc automatically. What is actually happening?

[topaz latch]

not for like, the whole universe

[old sinew]

I’m not sure what the bug is since some people on other discords have confused me with bad explanations

The pin wording doesn’t really clarify

[strong forum]

usually 1 per class, some discords have split themselves from the main one. shaman and priest are split up discs between healer and dps specs iirc

[modern brook]

theres usually one "official unofficial" per class

[strong forum]

idk much more about the others

[topaz latch]

got it, but like what discord is llarold running?

i think im in all the tank ones

until i finally moved into here

[strong forum]

idk check his youtube

wowatnight

[modern brook]

I literally fixed my statement before you responded

he isnt :/

i thought he was

[topaz latch]

oh my bad, sorry for the confusion

[strong forum]

not everybody runs private discords

[old sinew]

Does anyone have a screen shot of the combat log of the supposed bug?

[strong forum]

it just does too much dmg

plain and simple

[old sinew]

❓❓❓

[strong forum]

it does twice as much as other combinations in ST

[old sinew]

Blood gem has high ppm compared to other gems or something?

I can’t find ppm data online either

[strong forum]

prophetic has high cpm

which then procs desi

[shell cosmos]

Guys warriors still are the top tiers tank or paladin its better now?

[strong forum]

which then procs humming

paladin has always been better

[tropic gorge]

A well played paladin will always best a week played warrior

If skill was equal the paladin wins

[strong forum]

its moreso

that paladin is better for your group than pwar

thats pretty much it

its better suited for keys because of utility

[lilac pike]

they can tank third boss of temple with no problem, warr needs so much assistance

[tropic gorge]

Immunity is God level strong

[limpid anchor]

no new top logs with the ring equiped, mhm

[strong forum]

dw

ill do first two in 30min

[sick sentinel]

you can still easily do keys with pwar

[topaz latch]

that would be a lot of discords.

[sick sentinel]

and who knows what the metas going to be like for s2 anyways

bears could be top tank and monks best healer

[strong forum]

exceedingly unlikely

with current tuning/information

itll remain prot pally

healer is the big question

[sick sentinel]

my main problem remains bear or more speificially, 3, 3 point to complete talent that buffs some ability that seems pretty weak to begin with, and you have to put 3 points into each and no other class has this in main tree?????

its the only class in the game that has 4 specs and some weird ass shit like, 3 x spend 3 talents, in the main tree no less, so its not even limited to just balance say

[outer wave]

How is the new ring for prot?

[sick sentinel]

good if you don't hit lots of buttons, bad if you do

[strong forum]

its so sad

the ring isnt even worth running on council

[sick sentinel]

Is the Prophetic Twilight Stone part of the shadow stone family?

[strong forum]

can check on wowhead

[silk sandal]

So I am seeing that in high keys, people have moved away from whetstone to totem of the all-master

What happened there?

is it just the main stat vs mastery diff?

[strong forum]

people finally realised that its a good trinket

[silk sandal]

ah haha

[strong forum]

despite us saying since beta that its busted

[limpid anchor]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

ty

[silk sandal]

well thats good to hear then, i took it from vault a few weeks ago but didnt really have time to play around with it 😛

i guess ill just slap that on

[lusty tiger]

Totem fucks

[sick sentinel]

Never seen a totem drop in over a month let alone win one :))

[lusty tiger]

Yea it took a while to get mine

The mainstat+PASSIVE proc is tooooo good

[silk sandal]

other trinket im curious about is the dathea one

we're working on ras right now and it seems nice to be able to immune a wind. Not sure if that will be problematic later in the fight though

only got it this week though from vault and our first raid of the week is tonight

[faint mica]

really nothing usefull on the ring for M+ compared to socket 415 ring?

:feelsbadman

[dry spear]

I guess sone ppl will find sone good combos with the ring. Maybe the necro gem. And something that is not on the radar atm

[sick sentinel]

Is the "bugged" interaction between the 3 gems in pins simming correctly for in game purposes or is it lower than it should be in reality

[strong forum]

im sorry

i did poorly on eragon

only r5

not happy

[limpid anchor]

weak

can you link log

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pxRw3hKrTZfy9L7d/#fight=last&view=rankings

[limpid anchor]

ty

[old sinew]

I’m still not sure what the “bug” even is. The best explanation I saw was simply that the blood gen counts as a healing gem and not a dps gem, and so you get x2 worth of procs from your 1 dps gem, and x2 worth of procs from your blood dps gem, and that outperforms 3 random no synergy dps gems.

[strong forum]

prophetic should proc a healing gem if it procs off of a dmg gem

but the blood gem has a healing part based on dmg done

so it just procs that

no matter which proc

you double the dmg procrate of prophetic

[old sinew]

And vice versa

[strong forum]

that is clearly not intended cuz it outperforms other combos by 2k

[strong forum]

if you dont have a healing gem

it doesnt proc healing

onyl dmg

[old sinew]

The intended design of the twilight gem as far as I can tell is that it doubles the proc rate on both gems you have equipped if your gems meet the requirement that one is damage and one is healing

[flint oriole]

1296 critic, 3900 Haste, 5075 versa and 2187 maestry is good for a tank?

[lunar gazelle]

wayyy to much vers

[graceful viper]

what gems do we use

[old sinew]

I’m not sure where the bug is. It’s just a strong synergy.

They might nerf twilight to only proc X% of the time to bring it more in line with that chaos synergy gem but it seems like blizzard intends for synergy gems to better then 3 random gems

It’s like saying bit band procing haste with 100% uptime was a bug

🤷‍♂️

[strong flax]

how can i survive the dmg of diurna soak + the healing debuff

i always die on those

if not on the first then maybe on the second or third

[flint oriole]

and what i do with that

i have only 24,76% vers

idk if that is much

[lunar gazelle]

crit pref

[strong flax]

we 2 tanking this

[modern brook]

Verse is generally a fairly inefficient stat, in the sense that Per point, you get less verse than you would any other stat.

[dry spear]

brood boss tank mythic. looking fine :)

[modern brook]

I mean

[dusky canopy]

Well rip gem combo now that someone had to make a wowhead about it right away

[modern brook]

I dont care

nevermind

gem owns

equip gem

hummer away

[undone ice]

WTF when war deal magic damage?

i don't understand why its recommended stone

[mystic sleet]

The other two gems do

[strong forum]

and frostfire belt, eranog ring, all-totem

[undone ice]

yes i have other two and frostfirebelt

[dense coral]

SBG 20+ didnt feel like a dmg upgrade, over my 415 haste/vers ring.

[undone ice]

Eranog ring are replace by diurna ring for absorb

[strong forum]

thats

bad

dont do that

[strong forum]

11% of your dmg is bad?

[undone ice]

u mean ?

[strong forum]

but yes, the ring isnt worth in m+

[strong forum]

diurna ring is not rly usable unless you have 431 and eranog ring together

[undone ice]

u said new ring isnt worth in mm+ ?

[strong forum]

yes

or well, if youre good at pwar

the ring isnt good for you

if youre average, its good

[undone ice]

we are agree Hast is must in mm+

[strong forum]

its our favourite stat, yes

[undone ice]

so u mean this ring is not good ?

[old sinew]

Single stat gem 🤢

[strong forum]

you want double stat gems

[undone ice]

i didnt have more hast guy

[strong forum]

cuz more stats > better stats

you want smth like this

[undone ice]

if i do taht ive 25% hast

[strong forum]

so?

i have 19

[undone ice]

hmm ok so i take for all my socket HAst crit

[old sinew]

Pepehammer time. Homie thinks haste is worth double crit kekw

[strong forum]

or haste + whatever

[old sinew]

You have to think haste is double crit to use single stat gem, I promise you that it is not

[old sinew]

It’s one gem so it isn’t a big deal, I’m just bringing it up because it shows you misunderstand how stats work

In the future use double stat gems because 33 of anything stat is worth more than 18 haste

[undone ice]

yes

im agree

i will buy 6 hast whatever

[undone ice]

i saw 100 1st warP have 33% hast minimum & sometimes 38/40%...

[strong forum]

ilvl > haste > crit/vers > mastery

[undone ice]

yes

[strong forum]

just follow that rule

and youll be fine

[undone ice]

but re we agree ring of duty is only for defense

[strong forum]

i dont recommend to use it

[undone ice]

ok

ok i change and i resim we will see

i was 57k dungeon slicing 59k with new ring before with ring duty and hast gemme, i try with titan ring replace ring of duty and new gem hast whatever

ok sim 58K always with new stuff

[quiet monolith]

did they nerf the gems?

[crimson mountain]

What are the prot warrior scientists thoughts on the double damage potential using the Prophetic Twilight Stone and Desirous Blood Stone

[strong forum]

[stuck sequoia]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-primordial-stone-combination-found-deal-30-more-damage-with-the-onyx-annulet-332060

thoughts? 👀

[strong forum]

[stuck sequoia]

yee assumed so

[dark lark]

Upgrade at your own risk

[dusky canopy]

Don’t worry they’ll nerf it way faster now that theres a post about it

Or who knows maybe they’ll buff the rest

Since they want the ring to be bis

[stuck sequoia]

[crimson mountain]

Flip a coin i guess they did say they wanted it to be an upgrade for most ppl

[old sinew]

Too late. Upgraded my stones, now I get to get mad at Ion if he nerfs. 😆

[frail blade]

Storm Infused Stone/Desirous Blood Stone/Prophetic Twilight Stone it's a good gems for m+ or others?

[strong forum]

its the best m+ option yes

but only until 4 targets assuming proper play

on any larger pull counts it just falls off more and more

the ring caps out at 3 targets in dmg output

[ornate wagon]

is storm infused in uh, nature?

[frail blade]

and if I wanna take more than 4 targets I should replace these gems and put others, but which gems are preferable for it?

[icy bane]

Yes

[ornate wagon]

beautiful

[undone ice]

so there are 2 Option

u play RNG or NOT RNG

[strong forum]

no, you replace the ring

assuming you can play pwar to a very high level of dps output********

if youre not that great, the ring will be good dmg for you

[frail blade]

it's all up to me then))

[strong forum]

pmuch

[marble cipher]

new stigma soon, join a group, they go like "hm, he has the ring equiped, he must be bad" 😄

[strong forum]

nah

the majority of players wont know

[modern brook]

i played with a prot war

15 AA randy garbo pug key for guildies

[topaz mauve]

As a tank that does a few 20s a week, I think this ring will be good for me. Hope they buff the gems a bit more

[modern brook]

my guy has 45 seconds of shield block for the dungeon

3 casts of boslter last stand

he didnt have the ring equipped

so no stigma needed

[frail blade]

I thought gems with shield have a great boost for high m+ I mean for survivability

[modern brook]

prot wars are all dog shit until proven otherwise, they're basically the tank equivlent of mages

[stuck sequoia]

tell me how you really feel

[strong forum]

all tanks*

all players*

[opaque drum]

hi guys quick question. got 411 shield and 402 gloves, got 2 sparks and can craft something on 418. should i craft 418 shield or gloves? =/

[modern brook]

shield for sure

[old sinew]

Mages? Don’t you mean warlocks and DHs?

[ornate wagon]

shield

[modern brook]

nah mages

[old sinew]

Why mage?

[modern brook]

Good mages dont pug

[ornate wagon]

mages have such a huge range of skill

[modern brook]

dont ask me why

its just a fact

[ornate wagon]

S tier mages, bonkers

F tier mages, absolute poo

[old sinew]

DH casts the hunt on pull and dies before tank gets there

[modern brook]

if you're a mage and you're goated, you have a group you're running with or more likely you're just raid logging

[ornate wagon]

I remember Max once said that recruiting world class mages is the hardest class to fill

[old sinew]

My last 3 IO gains had mages iirc (24s) they’re good. Locks are the class that are sus

[strong forum]

range players are always a super big gamble

either theyre dogshit or world class

there is no inbetween

[ornate wagon]

yeah but the diff between shitlock and godlock isnt that big skill wise

[modern brook]

ITs about expectation

You dont take a dh and expect him to do well

he's playing dh

but mage?

[topaz latch]

why do the guides and the warr tanks on raider io have so much verse, and comparatively little crit?

[old sinew]

It is. Dog ass locks are usually Pepega. Mages don’t get to 3.2k IO if they suck

Locks can

[modern brook]

Llarold has a different philosophy with secondary stats than Nom does

[ornate wagon]

Verse helps us overcome spell damage

[mighty valley]

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please like my poem

[ornate wagon]

Crit is only good for damage and parry, and attacks that can be parried are already being blocked

[topaz latch]

whos nom, and what is the discrepancy or reasoning for their philosophies

[modern brook]

@strong forum is nom

[strong forum]

im not having this discussion again

[modern brook]

And hes not having this duscussion again

[atomic onyx]

Entropic Fel Stone does this one go with diurna ring?

[strong forum]

defensive and healing procs of the ring are 100% ignored

[mighty valley]

cool take in a world where ~40% reduction and 100% reduction are the same

[atomic onyx]

im going with this combination

[strong forum]

you only go for dmg

[atomic onyx]

fel fire dmg is nice

[ornate wagon]

im not saying parry is useless, its very good

[modern brook]

I can give the quick and dirty tho:

Haste is most imprtant cause it compresses the rotation => more buttons press=>more SS usage=>more rage=>more rage spend=>more cds=>etc etc

crit and verse do roughly the same thing. Crit is offensively more efficient because verse requires more points per % than crit does, and verse has the benefit of reducing things like bleeds that are generally hard to reduce

mastery is considered the worst but is still fine

[topaz latch]

im aware mostly of those defensive interactions, but a lot of people here are haste/crit gang and then there are some haste/verse gang. mostly trying to learn the nuances of each philosophies

[topaz latch]

yeah i have been and am continueing to stack haste. but after hearing from people here, it looks like i need to lower my verse and add more crit

[ornate wagon]

yeah, super high keys you usually need to live 1 shot mechanics, those mechanics are usually spell damage, check the dps players, they are also running more vers and avoidance

[strong forum]

tldr, crit is better than people think, the majority of dmg taken in keys is physical, you cant reach meaningful levels of vers to make a difference in surviving oneshots

[modern brook]

^

[strong forum]

vers is only good if you can get extreme amounts of it

[mighty valley]

you can read what the two stats do, you can sim their damage, everything else is feelycraft. tldr take ilvl

[topaz latch]

h*ck ye tho, i love crit

[strong forum]

20% vers only makes a diff of 1 keylevel

if you go 1 key higher, you die again

[ornate wagon]

Also, Nerftank, last I checked was super crit

[modern brook]

1% crit is roughly 1% damage increase.

and thats before you consider all the crit synergies you have in the talent tree

[topaz latch]

yeah i have read the stats, and simmed the items, but its also the non damage aspect of the stats that i want to look at

[topaz latch]

could you point me to a sample of crit synergy in the talent tree? im still learning the tree.

[mighty valley]

That's the part I'm calling feelycraft - how often are you really saying "damn I played perfect and died anyway, if I'd have 1% more vers I would've lived"

[modern brook]

hang on

[ornate wagon]

you have to play crazy high vers for it to matter anyway

[topaz latch]

he was the one i actually looked at, we have the same crit. 20%

[topaz latch]

problem is i only started wow a few weeks ago so there has been no point where ive told myself im playing perfectly

[topaz latch]

thank you

[mighty valley]

Helpful feature not a lot of people use enough - the talent search function is really good

[ornate wagon]

this was the last time i checked the top warriors. Secondary Distributions by stat, (not actually percentages on the character sheet)

[topaz latch]

ah yeah thats good, thanks mate