protection

[ionic fern]

SBG last boss "mist" the adds put on the ground

OK

OK

I AINT IN IT

BUT I GO TTHE DOT

OK

[pallid quiver]

but that's like

not the point, even for your own argument

[toxic solar]

i mean agreed I think there needs to be more visual clarity

[vale escarp]

True, second HoV Boss is so much easier since the new visuals

[median tulip]

I love how blizz "made that more visible", and it's AFTER it goes off

[pallid quiver]

"Just do the mechanic" isn't accurate. The issue is the mechanic isn't shown to the player, and that's why WAs are considered necessary

[toxic solar]

but that ones pretty unoffending, it's just a "don't stand in front of the mob" mechanic

[warm plinth]

Meanwhile in CoS, we add this awkward looking magic shit to quelling strike that actually makes it HARDER to see, and we add a shockwave animation that only shows as he's casting it so it serves no purpose anyway!

[pallid quiver]

It's the single most offensive ability in current M+ to me

[ionic fern]

Or ANY of the swirly mechanics on the ground...will i get hit by the swirly if i stand near the almost invisible part of it? YOU NEVER KNOW.

[pallid quiver]

If you were to run into that boss for the first time

Unless you happen to know what the fuck Shockwave does as an ability in WoW,

[warm plinth]

Blizz be like

https://tenor.com/bi7NE.gif

[pallid quiver]

you run the risk of getting your cheeks clapped

[ionic fern]

Ya.

Wild.

[toxic solar]

thsi is my least favorite thing about 2nd to last boss in SBG, the fuckin worm body slam aoe is slightly larger than the animation

Same w/ the green stuff in algathar academy

[pallid quiver]

Addons making people do things faster isn't the problem; it's things needing to be shown with addons so that players can deal with them without having to go on a video/wiki binge

[warm plinth]

So, actually, the worm body slam is just a bugged animation. If you look close to the worm, the left side of the animation (as you're looking at the worm) only comes out like 10 yards from the worm and then is invisible from there

But it's technically there

😂

[pallid quiver]

So, like, the issue with Odyn's rune is that there isn't time for human reaction whatsoever before you start getting dot slapped

[warm plinth]

Small indie company

Yeah like 25 tyr I'm pretty sure you just get 2-shot by that shit

[toxic solar]

yeah exactly, why is why everyone uses the WA

[pallid quiver]

Even with a WA

[median tulip]

DPS need to use some kind of defensive for it

[pallid quiver]

There's not enough time to see the text/direction and respond before you get punished with the failure mechanic

[warm plinth]

I use a health potion for it and hope we don't get a 2nd one 😂

[pallid quiver]

but at least a new player knows something's happening i guess

[toxic solar]

oh just to clarify here, his WA wasn't text/direction, it was literally an audio queue that said "Bottom right" "Top Left" etc

[pallid quiver]

yeah that's slower than text

[median tulip]

Personal preference

[pallid quiver]

Audio queues that are not sounds are inherently slower

[toxic solar]

no shot, audio queue will definitely be faster than looking at text

[pallid quiver]

There's no physical way for them to be faster since you have to wait for the audio

[toxic solar]

because your eyes aren't focused on the text

[pallid quiver]

the text is just there

[warm plinth]

RUN AWAY FAST, as thing from beyond is already hitting me

[grizzled kite]

guise guise light faster than sound!! therefore text faster than audio ))))

[toxic solar]

well yes, but just because the text is there doesn't mean you don't have to read it and process it

[pallid quiver]

and same with audio

[toxic solar]

whereas the audio is going to be done while you're focusing on something else

[pallid quiver]

It's the same in fighting games and reaction

People also react to visual stimulus faster than audio stimulus

unless you are legitimately built different

[grizzled kite]

you're a stimulus

[toxic solar]

??? Try reading something while focusing on something else, and then try focusing on something while someone says something to you. You will process the audio easier

you only have 1 set of eyes

[opaque drum]

Hi guys! Coming from 10 years of DPSing , and that’s my first time approaching to prot warr . I’ve got a quick question what shall i upgrade first to 418 Weapon or shield?

[toxic solar]

but you have 1 set of eyes and 1 set of ears

[pallid quiver]

Yo, I do this literally all the time in fighting games

[warm plinth]

Shield>Weapon>Other

[pallid quiver]

Literally all the time

[grizzled kite]

Shield, weapon, lariat

[grizzled kite]

like fr fr literally literally? 🔥

[toxic solar]

i dont know if this is like a me having ADHD thing or something, but it's 100% easier for me to process audio while visually focusing on my rotation and where im moving my character, than to focus on my character and then read text at the same time

[opaque drum]

@grizzled kite @warm plinth thanks guys

[pallid quiver]

Assuming 60 FPS, it is about 16 frames for an average person to react to something in general, with expectation of something to come

that is faster than the amount of time it takes for a voice file to say (First Direction) (Second Direction) just base

You're not expecting the text is literally just it

if you get caught off guard by it, your reaction time goes to pooper level

That's how people get opened up to the slowest shit in the land in fighting games

i am obligated to post this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKZdjQrNmo4

[grizzled kite]

why are you even talking about fighting games? and what the fuck is this even about? you guys started talking about mechanic designs and now devolved into how fast synapses are firing

like take it to #general or something jesus

[pallid quiver]

It's relevant to the Odyn mechanic discussion

And about the necessity of WAs

[toxic solar]

i mean its definitely a siderant thats not really relevant

[pallid quiver]

But it's directly related to you mentioning that you need WAs to handle Odyn's mechanic in that in enables you to do it

[grizzled kite]

you're clogging up the channel with your fanboyism over "muh fighting games"

[toxic solar]

i just really got caught off guard because i must be built differently because reacting to audio queues while focusing on everything else visually is much easier for me

and thought that was normal

[grizzled kite]

whilst dodging the balls, yes audio queues makes it easier

is it faster? maybe

[warm plinth]

This channel sidetracks all the time. As long as no one is being ignored that needs help, who gives a shit

[jagged island]

Still talking about Odyn... A tip, stand in middle of the circle before the runes pop. That way you have the same distance to every rune 😉

[pallid quiver]

It was a discussion about how good the mechanic was rather than how to handle it

[grizzled kite]

the mechanic is absolutely shit and needs to be tuned down at higher keys for sure

[warm plinth]

yeah it is, though I think I would probably just make it so you have an extra second before the damage starts or something like that

rather than tuning the damage down

[olive mulch]

It was also a discussion about how dumb the game is when important information isn't displayed without addons

When I get the debuff, I have to quickly look at the mark over my head and then look at all the different runes through thr bullshit visual clutter and then go. But if you have a WA giving you an audio cue, that's literally the difference between another tick or two

Thats bad game design

[warm plinth]

why are you on a different account now o_O

[olive mulch]

Lmao long story, basically I lost my 2FA on my actual account so when I hop in bed on my phone I have to use a separate account.

[warm plinth]

ahhh

I was like wait a second...

[olive mulch]

Basically the moment I get logged out of my discord account on my PC that account is gone for good because I don't remember the password and lost the 2fa

[pallid quiver]

That's an unfortunate set of circumstances

[olive mulch]

Indeed

[pallid quiver]

Can probably swing by Discord support; will be a pain, but can probably do something

technically they can, whether they will for their policy or not's a different question

[olive mulch]

I will try that at some point I'm sure

But for now it's easier to just do this

[warm plinth]

I had to merge my authy account yesterday because of something similar. I had to do a bunch of shit with my twitch which made me have to reset my stream key, which made me have to do forgot password, which then tried to SMS my old phone

It was this whole thing

[olive mulch]

Yup it's fucking awful

[warm plinth]

But got it done thankfully and now I have all shiny new stuff on my twitch

[olive mulch]

Everyone talks about the positives of 2FA, no one talks about the negatives, stupid people like me who forget their passwords and get rid of their phones that have authy on them

[warm plinth]

I actually get emails regularly about people attempting to log in to my discord, despite having 2FA and a generated password

[olive mulch]

Thankfully I dony

Dont*

[crude notch]

No one wants my account, sadge.

[warm plinth]

I do Jordan

[crude notch]

Hru cutie

[warm plinth]

I'm doing pretty good; you?

[crude notch]

Pretty good. Good luck in your interview. I've been lurking.

[warm plinth]

thanks, I really hope I get it 🙏

[crude notch]

🙏

[warm plinth]

Day shift pleeeeease

[hardy snow]

I would advise to change password, of course 2FA brings more security, but its still not good if someone is attempting login regularly, they may be successful once 😉

[warm plinth]

I've changed it every time

[novel glen]

What race is more usefull for M+ Tauren or Orc

[warm plinth]

Neither really

[novel glen]

i got 2 warr alts to so wanna lvl 1 to play with

[hardy snow]

Then generator you use just sucks XD

[warm plinth]

wdym it made my password pomegranate this time

Seems pretty secure

[hardy snow]

Orcs > Taurens, because taurens looks stupid 😐

[novel glen]

agreed but stam buf is somewhat usefull but kinda trivial

we are unlucky not to have Dwarf racial passive on horde rlly

[deep spruce]

Tauren > Orc in m+ because of warstomp imo

[jagged pier]

well vulp is best

for horde

[warm plinth]

nose for trouble

War stomp is meh because it just DRs stuns faster

[strong forum]

Purge isn't half bad this xpac

[grizzled kite]

how can I make life easier for my group as a tank in HoV especially on Hyrja?

feels like pug healers just blow their shit on the first blue dome and then the second one comes and we just die (I'm the last to die obviously)

[blazing condor]

for the dome its just rallying cry for the group

unless you take a lot of damage too then you can pop defensives

not ones you'd use on the beam tho

[mortal mountain]

You can also try to sac and give vigilance to one party member

[strong forum]

uhuh

dont forget to wog and spellward too

[jagged island]

https://youtu.be/XHuYmI1ExmA

[sweet summit]

/w <healer> don't be shit thanks

[languid light]

Inverting her specials makes Hyrja a lot easier

Just don’t be afraid to double-beam her for a while at the start

[jagged island]

would recommend to go in and try the pulls sometimes before you do it in a key

did it yesterday in a 22, healer didnt have any problems at all

especially when they are used to ALOT of more dmg

[languid light]

Yeah, go in alone on M0 and do it a few times, you can reset her by rubbing against the entrance

[mortal mountain]

Doing the safe inversion or missing the "good" one comes with the risk of 1/4 that the guy with expel light gets 1shot from a chain lightning

I guess that's always something that can happen nvm me

[lavish kayak]

which embellishment is the best for the crafted weapon as tank? mainly m+

[jagged pier]

none cause u want strike twice ideally

[jagged island]

Strike twice 415 or crafted 418?

[jagged pier]

strike twice

[lavish kayak]

ok i'll work on upgrading that, i guess lariat and another crafted then?

[languid light]

Many people go with lariat and belt, but they’re all pretty close

[lavish kayak]

thanks

[hardy snow]

didnt they plan to nerf lariat to be more dependant on how many gems character have equipped?

[jagged pier]

thats coming at some point

but if u have all gems

its the same

[vocal nimbus]

Hey guys, what build/trinkets do you recmend for rasza prog

[jagged pier]

whetstone and greiftorch

this is my build

[vocal nimbus]

I dont have torch and im running hooves 421

[jagged pier]

r4 on raz no dumb dps things

[vocal nimbus]

Does the shieldbreaking throw go into the usual rotation or is it only used on shields?

[jagged pier]

u can use it normally

it doesnt do extra damage tho

[vocal nimbus]

And what do you wanna spellblock?

[jagged pier]

the jaws

the beam

the casts on u

[vocal nimbus]

Aight, tyvm

[upbeat pine]

Do you know any WA which shows when to use spell reflect/spell block?

[tropic gorge]

Ehrps is healing taken from not me, correct?

[shell mortar]

It's effective healing required per second to keep you alive

[tropic gorge]

Perfect

I bottomed out last night on a boss kill

Below a bunch of dps lmao

[jagged pier]

thats how it is sometimes

[tropic gorge]

Feels really good

Like I've gotten it right and am doing the damn thing. Also helps that now my guild is making progress and we aren't getting hung up on silly shit now

[lyric cape]

not sure for spell block but spell reflect there is a wa called "Spell reflect essentials"

[solemn island]

hello , it s probably been constant asked but is there any stone for the onyx ammulet we actually NEED/WANT ? seems kinda bad atm 🙂

[jagged pier]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f72W3z9DyDSiViAMwYTK3U

[solemn island]

i have seen that but what i mean is like utility wise

[jagged pier]

i mean those are the only gems that give the same benefit as current ilvl rings u put anything else in there

its pointless to wear

[solemn island]

my uneducated guess would be its a clear no

ah

[jagged pier]

i mean even with those gems i probably wouldnt equip it

they need to buff it by a lot for us

[sick sentinel]

Can you still reflect the tornados from CoS last boss to despawn them one by one or has it been changed and i didnt notice ?

[solemn island]

so my guess is we still go cos + eggnog ?

[jagged pier]

yes

[solemn island]

thanks alot for the fast response 🙂 good day !

[ionic fern]

Remember, that as soon as a 2nd target is involved the gems get trashed even more.

[strong forum]

doesnt work

[jagged pier]

i mean bliz have said they want ppl to have it so they will buff it

[sick sentinel]

i remember it did at some point, its been at least a few week it doesnt anymore, right ?

[jagged pier]

and then nerf it again next teir

which seems pointless

should just be a nice ring for casuals imo

[solemn island]

if they put some secondary on it maybe ?

that could be a quick fix i assume

[tropic gorge]

Gotta be honest I don't even know what item is being talked about for that

[strong forum]

legion

if ever

[solemn island]

onyx amulet , 10.0.7 new zone "reward"

[tropic gorge]

Oh. Meh, probably pass on it unless I make an alt

It'll probably be a good item to take for a short period until content is cleared. Then sit in bags or get vendered

[ionic fern]

I wanna see how they will fix the AoE/ST balancing topic.

And it's even funnier because it's supposed to be replaced fairly soon'ish.

[sick sentinel]

well fuck

[tropic gorge]

Damn late start late finish

[jagged pier]

yer just seems a massive waste of resoruces for something they will need to nerf in 3 months

[ember tangle]

Doesnt the timeline even say 10.1 in the spring? Giving it about 2 months duration max?

[jagged pier]

inbetween spring and summer

[limpid anchor]

On d4 release :)

[strong forum]

[minor helm]

The first summer calendar day of the year is 6/21 so until then

[ember tangle]

I thought spring meant march, april or may

[limpid anchor]

March-June usually

[ember tangle]

I guess meteorological and astronomical spring is different

Google told me

[uneven mason]

Yeah they seem to be going back and forth between being on the right track making good content for casual world content types and back to their obsession with overpowered crap for neckbeards

[minor helm]

Spring officially started yesterday

[uneven mason]

Their worry being all information out there tends to be pointed towards the neckbeards

[undone verge]

Spring starts when the snow is gone

[strong forum]

So I skipped Winter neat

[median tulip]

The definition of spring is culturally dependent

[jagged pier]

u skip the sun as well Nome

[strong forum]

Not during the summer

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Gotta get that tan

[jagged pier]

cant wait for D4 and season 2 to realise at the same time in the middle of summer

and i got without sun for another year

[uneven mason]

My life when that happens

[uneven mason]

Floor to ceiling windows in my PC room

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/mrw-reaction-old-gamer-nerd-moms-basement-gif-4994401

me this summer

[uneven mason]

I tan and game in the buff

[sick sentinel]

me right nopw

he's literally me

[median tulip]

That's what vitamin D pills are for

[tropic gorge]

Just work outside

Done and done

Grt sunlight. Get paid for it. Keep gaming

[potent gulch]

lucky man, im in whisper slavery 😭

[uneven mason]

I miss my pool construction job NGL

[tropic gorge]

I drive a fuel truck. Gotta admit I really like it

View always changes. Sucks when it rains, but ya know

Plus, like most here I'm a nerd that spends a lot of his free time inside playing games. So a job that I spend my days outside is good for me

What's hilarious is when dudes wanna talk dude shit like sports. And I'm like "video games and guns?" lmao

[uneven mason]

Suicide Jockey

[tropic gorge]

Bomb truck baby!

[uneven mason]

Right, it was always hilarious when I'd be out with friends and someone would crack a comment about how video games are for nerds and I'd be like

[tropic gorge]

I work for a small family business. Doing what I do, it's still odd for old people and boomers to have a blue collared working man in their area, that's also a huge nerd

After big college games, usually when playing against Alabama the guys always talk about it. I got asked once if I watched some game and my response was "no, I was raiding in warcraft. It's a lot more fun".
The broken looks I got was hilarious

It's a brain breaker for older guys

[fallow nova]

When I got into wow 13 years ago, it was because of a fellow plant operator at a lead smelter I worked at.

Blue collar workers finding fellow gaming/rpg/fantasy nerds amongst the crowd is always a fun event

[tropic gorge]

And upon meeting, it's almost always a "one of us!" situations

[fallow nova]

Absolutely lol

I saw him reading a book on his phone and he kinda mumbled that it was part of the darth bane trilogy, so we proceeded to chat star wars for the next 3 hours of our shift

The funny part is that if you walk into a room full of the crew of 7 guys just cutting up, you'd never know unless someone mentions wow etc, then it's on

[tropic gorge]

Yup! Going from talking about legit dude shit to nerd shit instantly lol

[fallow nova]

And like you said, throws the other older or non-nerd guys for a total loop

[tropic gorge]

The broken brain look of confusion as suddenly, the boomer finds himself way outside of his area of expertise

[fallow nova]

"Wtf is that?"

"It's my blood death knight"

"Wtf is a blood death knight?"

"Do you really wanna know?"

".... fuck no."

[tropic gorge]

It's glorious in a way

[sick sentinel]

i wonder if pwar gunna be C/D tier again

[velvet narwhal]

Yoo guys, Any idea if the annulet is gonna be good for prot raza progress?

[sick sentinel]

after 10.0.7 / .1

[jagged pier]

no

[velvet narwhal]

Thanks for the quick response

[uneven mason]

We're c tier right now

[sick sentinel]

paladin orc i cannot do

[uneven mason]

My tier list is S+ paladin, C warrior DK bear monk dh

[sick sentinel]

and a human also i do not have

gnor gnoblin or gnome

still going after those hertiages

[toxic pewter]

Anyone know if need exalted with orgrimmar to get orc heritage armor

[sick sentinel]

yes

[toxic pewter]

Bleh

[dusky canopy]

If they gave pally that speculated leap or a charge I’d do it

I like movement to much

[sick sentinel]

core races require exalted and a quest line

allied simply requires start from lvl 1 to 50 as that allied race (no race change)

[toxic pewter]

The literal character you get the armor on must be the one exalted right

[sick sentinel]

no

its just as i said

i did all races except about 4

core race, that was already in wow, human or orc or dwarf or tauren, those need exalted and a quest line after exalted

allied simply requires create new of that race, level it to 50, and turn in the quest, they don't have quest or exalted thing to do for those, like vulper and kultiran

[toxic pewter]

Right

[sick sentinel]

if you DO need reputation, go to botanica in burning crusade, run it, takes about 5 minutes, reset outside, run it again

takes about 25 runs, i think, last time i checked

[uneven mason]

TFW you've got exalted with everything possible besides DMF

[sick sentinel]

back to quake 1 i guess while servers is down

i swear i've played all those old boomer shooters a million times by now

[uneven mason]

Blake stone: Aliens of gold

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdHAykD0G1E

its a staff encrusted withh rubies that shoots packs vengeful ghosts that chase, pass though and attack anything in its way

[uneven mason]

Mmhmm still have my original heretic, hexen CDs somewhere

And doom, doom2, final chapter, extra levels and various CDs filled with custom levels, it's great because the WAD files all work in some modern engine that allows for wasd and mouselook aiming

[mortal mountain]

c tier in what

[uneven mason]

Crushing, idk tier lists are bullshit

[tropic gorge]

The best part about the doom reboot, is when Bethesda rolled everything everyone ever did in a doom wad as lore

That was a great move by the doom team

[uneven mason]

I love DOOM , enjoyed doom eternal, won't spend any money with Id until Marty Stratton is gone

[sick sentinel]

who tf is that lol

[undone verge]

Tier list used by pugs in the group finder

[sick sentinel]

also, i liked bs:aog, but rott is also fun too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcboioAXvOA

i try to stay away from the truly awful jank games these days, just the classics really

[uneven mason]

Rott quality, also terminal velocity and descent

[sick sentinel]

descent is really good once you get into and have a control scheme or controller set up to make moving and combat easy

[woven pagoda]

yo boiz someone in my key in jade serpent third boss told me I can use shield block just before the cast goes off in serpent phase and Ill take less damage, is there a hidden thing or mechanic thing going on?

[sick sentinel]

TV is good, but its a bit 2 note is the problem for me

[uneven mason]

Missing my thrust master setup....RIP gaming ports on soundcards

[toxic pewter]

Dragonflight weekly maintenance times are the worst they've been since vanilla... jeeze

[sick sentinel]

fly around and shoot crrap on the ground, go in tunnels, maybe fight a boss GG

[uneven mason]

Spell block?

If you do mean shield block, you should literally always have that up 100%

[uneven mason]

It's a patch day

Also, vanilla didn't have regular maintenance, that wasn't really a set thing until tbc

[median tulip]

It's Spell Block; if you use it just before one of the nasty tankbusters goes off, it'll still be up for the second one.

[broken juniper]

I use the 2-shield wall charge talent + shield block for 3-4 of the Jade Serpent Kick, I also use in-between those Impending Victory + spam ignore pain + pot + spell reflect (hoping it does something but i dont think so)

[uneven mason]

There's a thing in the pins about the slapping bosses

[uneven mason]

Wat

[broken juniper]

i meant spellblock*

shield block is always on

[median tulip]

You really don't need the double Shield Wall charge talent

[uneven mason]

It's just confusingly written is all 😉

[broken juniper]

yeah, sorry for my shit english

[uneven mason]

And yeah for tjs io is a better swap than double wall

[median tulip]

TBH the best thing to do is to ask your DPS to ensure they have CDs for Jade phase; burning through that bit of the fight is the best strategy

[broken juniper]

i was watching nerftank and he did use the double-shield-wall

[broken juniper]

and i also found it easier, since sometimes u can get a healer that doesn't know how bad prot warriors is for that boss

[uneven mason]

Yeah it works, just in general you lose a lot of sw uses going double wall vs minimally through io

[jagged pier]

u dont need double wall u should have enough without as spell block covers 2

[broken juniper]

in tyrannical I don't need sw much except the third boss of TJS and the last pack

[uneven mason]

Double wall carries a massive opportunity cost to rage economy

[toxic pewter]

do european servers have downtime on patch days or whats the situation with their maintenance

[broken juniper]

i see that all ur keys goes well, in mines a dps always dies from a wave, so i have to handle at least 1 or 2 more jade kick

[median tulip]

We're not that bad. Spell Reflect reduces the damage too. Stance Dance to DStance if necessary, use IV on every second one, Last Stand, Healing Potion and Rallying Cry the ones in-between IVs

[jagged pier]

i dont do keys

[slim dove]

we're pretty bad at 3rd boss tjs.

[jagged pier]

and when i did it was only 20s

[broken juniper]

oh thats why u said that then lol

[slim dove]

arguably the worst

[uneven mason]

No u

[jagged pier]

u dont need double wall for 20s

[broken juniper]

i need for +22 +23

like, absolutely need

[jagged pier]

u might

its a very subjective thing

[broken juniper]

not on fortified weeks tho

[uneven mason]

Like I said it works but isn't the best option mathematically

[broken juniper]

dunno where u could possibly use shield wall until the the third boss and the last pack tbh, if u do need shield wall before then ur doing something wrong

[slim dove]

its not about needing wall before.

you just use it to reduce load on healer

🙂

sw has 1min cd with proper play sooo

[broken juniper]

like i said: ur doing something wrong

[jagged pier]

thats not how u use your mitigations tools on a spec based aroun dmitigation

[slim dove]

yeah not really though

your trolling not using it basically off CD unless you know you need it for a mech

[jagged pier]

u should be using SW as much as possible

basically

[broken juniper]

i dont need it unless something goes very wrong, and i'm always at 80%+ hp

[slim dove]

hi

its not about needing it

[jagged pier]

again its not about needing

SW is a 55 second CD with the correct play and talents

[median tulip]

On bosses I generally have a plan for SWall use

[jagged pier]

so u use it most minutres

while planning to have it back for when u need it

[slim dove]

never fails tbh.

[broken juniper]

yes it is about needing it, when you push keys you dont really have a choice to use ur CDs timed perfectly, so yeah i think the word "need" is adequate

[slim dove]

so you just leave SW off CD until 3rd boss and last pack

nice.

gl pushing bro

[broken juniper]

ty ❤️

[median tulip]

Well, on difficult bosses. Crawth and the elemental in AA I have a plan. Tree is just "use it on the adds". Last boss is just use on cooldown, for example

[noble shadow]

Anyone knows has or knows how to make a weakaura that triggers when the Scent of Blood spell is being cast (fenrirs fixate).
I want it to make my teammate party frame glow when the boss is targetting him with the scent blood so it makes it easier for me to intervine fast.

[slim dove]

do you not have target's target frames?

[noble shadow]

that is actually a good point

didnt think of that

[slim dove]

yeah you have the full cast bar of scent to figure out intervene

[median tulip]

'''/use [target=targettarget]Intervene'''

[broken juniper]

usually DBM/bigwigs calls the name of the target, you have like 2-3 seconds to do it i think before the cast goes off

[mortal mountain]

at what key range do you guys play where you never spec into double wall may i ask

[noble shadow]

ye but I usually panic a bit there and cant find my teammate frame

want to make it easier

[broken juniper]

yeah i get that

[median tulip]

Use that macro

[broken juniper]

usually ur teamate should be the one panicking

[noble shadow]

will test it thanks!

[median tulip]

Fenrir targets the victim from the start of the cast, so that will always intervene the victim

[broken juniper]

fenrir also faces the target while casting, if it helps

[fresh igloo]

you spec in to double wall for specific reasons. like jade temple 3rd boss. otherwise you get more shield walls over time from the other talent option.

[median tulip]

You do not need double wall for that boss

[slim dove]

^

[broken juniper]

its only for tjs when im pushing

[mortal mountain]

i asked about key range not for the reasoning of picking that talent over the other 😄

[broken juniper]

i mean, a few high io prot warrior does use the double shield wall talent, i guess u guys are just better than em!

[fresh igloo]

well that's the problem, your question as asked doesn't make sense. it's not about key range.

[mortal mountain]

yes it is

theres a big difference between 23s and 26s

[median tulip]

I've literally never specified double wall

[mortal mountain]

some routes/pulls are just not possible without double wall or heavy kiting

[median tulip]

I'd sooner spec immovable object than double wall

[mortal mountain]

which loses dps

[jagged pier]

the higher u go the worse double wall gets

[mortal mountain]

definetly not true

[slim dove]

not a single route or pull requires double wall

but alright,.

[jagged pier]

double wall only is good if u have to back to back shield wall

so like MDI where the keys are low and u pull everything

[mortal mountain]

its more uptime on adds most of the time which is faster overall

[jagged pier]

so double SW is good

[jagged pier]

no

its less SWs overall

so its not more uptime

[mortal mountain]

its more uptime on adds as in you can stay in the pack longer

not overall shieldwall uptime

[jagged pier]

oh wow I can stay in 1 pack longer

where i can stay in more pakcs for longer

get more

rage

use more cds

and do more damage over an entire run

but for 1 pack

like i said

a niche scenario

[mortal mountain]

1pack?

[jagged pier]

pack

singular

[slim dove]

[mortal mountain]

where does the singular come from

[jagged pier]

from what u said

[mortal mountain]

i dont think it does

[quartz fern]

Shield Wall with the other talent basically has a like 1m cd if you're Shield Slamming appropriately

[ionic fern]

I liked double wall in TJS (especially for the last pack) and AV..but now i've done my routes in the way that i benefit more from CDR.

Still miss double wall sometimes in very specific scenarios, but overall CDR will net you better benefits.

[jagged pier]

its more rage as well

[strong forum]

20% rage increase on shieldslam is nothing to scoff at

[jagged pier]

why does everyone ignore that fact

like every time

[quartz fern]

It makes a huge difference on your boss DPS as well

[strong forum]

"cuz I can tank 1 pack longer for 8 seconds"

[novel cloak]

CDR?

[jagged pier]

no its not about a singular pack nome

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

cant u read

he didnt say that

i dont know what he was saying but hey ho

[topaz field]

isnt the alternative the old wall legendary?

[jagged pier]

yer which is better

[novel cloak]

Whats CDR stand for please?

[topaz field]

ye 100 % its better

[jagged pier]

cooldown reduction

[novel cloak]

ah ofc

[topaz field]

i would argue that the 2 SW would be better if they were still like a group external

but they dont give 20% groupwide dr any more do they?

[quartz fern]

You will get many more Walls for a run with the other talent over double Wall

[slim dove]

no.

[topaz field]

ye easy choice^^

[jagged pier]

u should yer

[broken juniper]

these people dont account the route your doing or the affixes (fort./tyran) and dungeon, which makes the double shield wall a better option in some scenarios, take it with a grain of salt

[topaz field]

all i see when watching high rio prot warriors is them sitting on 2 SW stacks for straight up 15 minutes

[strong forum]

nobody runs double wall

[broken juniper]

i beg to differ, especially when you push

[strong forum]

uhuh sure

[broken juniper]

19 of the best 50 prot warrior did used the double shield talent over the last 7-14 days

but yeah, nobody uses it Kappa

[strong forum]

theyre not the best warriors

just high ranked

nothing else

[quartz fern]

You'd have to be doing a pull(s) that are literally route changing to have good reason to spec double Wall imo

[broken juniper]

thats ur opinion

[quartz fern]

It's not a good pick 99.999% of the time

[strong forum]

facts dont care about opinions

[broken juniper]

third boss of TJS and last pack of TJS

[strong forum]

its not an "opinion"

[slim dove]

dont need for either

🙂

[strong forum]

the higher you go, the worse double wall becomes in TJS

[broken juniper]

hahahhaha

[quartz fern]

You don't need double Wall for that boss

[slim dove]

hAhAA

[strong forum]

cuz 3rd boss lasts longer

[quartz fern]

If you need double Wall on that boss you're misplaying your other cd's

[strong forum]

so you need to have more CDs available

but what do i know

i only coach andy

[limpid anchor]

But you also think that you don’t need 40% vers, so your opinion is wrong anyway

[quartz fern]

Double Wall gives you like 1 extra wall as opposed to like 2 and possibly having it up immediately after

[jagged pier]

i dunno man u only talk to andy and do the testing for the spec and write the APL for sims

🤷

[quartz fern]

That CDR is insane

[jagged pier]

seems like to me u know nothing

[wise oar]

What bout the new ring, bis for any spec?

[jagged pier]

garbo

[broken juniper]

thinking that the top 50 prot warrior in M+ rating is not good = best joke i've heard all week

[median tulip]

Not really

[quartz fern]

I have done testing with it and I compared it to Ravager CD and I had Wall up like 30s before Ravager and used them at the same time

[limpid anchor]

I remember all the „top“ pwars running the „best“ builds and then switching to what nome said a month later

[modern brook]

Ur nuts for continuing this discourse nom

Let the guy be wrong

He has no interest in learning

[jagged pier]

months they only recently changed

[median tulip]

It's catch-up gear; good, but not BiS

[limpid anchor]

Did you see naowhs builds? As world first tank? :D

[jagged pier]

i would love a top 50 prot to log their runs

[topaz field]

they are playing horrbile

[jagged pier]

so we could actually see what they do if they are so good

can prove us wrong

[topaz field]

thats why they do 75 % of the potential overall

[jagged pier]

still waiting to be proved wrong about the haste legs

[quartz fern]

Double Wall is a placebo gain

[strong forum]

nervosity, the important part about m+ pushing is not individual class knowledge or being super good at your class

it requires good group coordination

[broken juniper]

u can litteraly see their talents choice on murlok.io, or on raider.io

[jagged pier]

yer who cares about talents

[mortal mountain]

legit the higher you go the more value there is in double wall

[jagged pier]

i want to see blocked hits

mitigated damage

[limpid anchor]

Why

[jagged pier]

damage output

[strong forum]

there are plenty tanks who play their class not as good as youd think

[jagged pier]

resource management

[limpid anchor]

You lose overall wall time

[jagged pier]

CPM

[median tulip]

Nobody plays perfectly. Nobody at all.

[broken juniper]

you guys are delusional thinking that people can get into the top 50 without having good mitigation and "being carried by ur group"

[topaz field]

if u take into account that high keys are usually in a premade enviroment it makes even less sense to play double wall

[jagged pier]

nerf is a good example, in SLs could keep banner up in S3 or S4 and found it hard to keep BDK set up even tho that was giga easy

[broken juniper]

you just cant push if you have 1 deadweight

[quartz fern]

We never said carried by your group?????

[topaz field]

because the only argument for double wall is the lack of communication in difficult packs

[jagged pier]

brah the top warrior most of SLs had 50% blocked hits

for ages

[median tulip]

I miss the banner

[jagged pier]

so we know

its not we think

we know they do

[dusky canopy]

How to tell some nerd arguing to shut his face without saying to shut his face

[lusty tiger]

Tank gets carried

[limpid anchor]

Why do they then change their shit now to what nome said?

If they are that good

I don’t get why people think that high Rio = good player

[median tulip]

If the DPS are really really good, tanking becomes a fuck of a lot easier

[lusty tiger]

Yeah

[strong forum]

cuz people think score comes only from being the best at your class

[lusty tiger]

I wish

I want cpm parses

[jagged pier]

i would be top 10 if that were true

[lusty tiger]

[strong forum]

arent you #4

[jagged pier]

on raz

[quartz fern]

Good score is more on anyone but the tank at this point honestly

[strong forum]

i thought overall

[jagged pier]

well im 10 now

cause i ahvent killed the other bosses in months

i would have probably been like 2 or somthing if i had killed it 2 weeks ago

[slim dove]

healer expac tbh

[jagged pier]

mwahi going straight to R1 when he kills i think

[quartz fern]

Yeah as it sits now high keys and rating is nostly on your healer

[dusky canopy]

Ohhhh wait so you are too 50

[quartz fern]

Depending on the dungeon

[dusky canopy]

[jagged pier]

well not on io

[dusky canopy]

Dudes coming in here trying to argue with you guys are absolutely hilarious to me

[lusty tiger]

Well- and your ragnaros dps not going offline

[broken juniper]

hahaha

[dusky canopy]

This guy does 23s guys he knows better

Oh wait wait

He “pushes” 23s

[lusty tiger]

[dusky canopy]

Clown energy

[jagged pier]

i know i could do higher but i dont enjoy m+ just to keep doing it give no enjoyment to me

[strong forum]

does this suffice @broken juniper

[jagged pier]

sorry i musten know my class at all

because i dont do IO

[dusky canopy]

🧠

[median tulip]

TBH, not really. I don't need much healing, and my DPS are good enough not to get hit be avoidable damage. It's the DPS ability to force through phases that really helps me not take damage.

[jagged pier]

lets no forget i did all 20s months ago or somthing

[strong forum]

the literal r1 tank

[dusky canopy]

Nom slayin em per usual

[jagged pier]

and literally stopped

[dusky canopy]

[jagged pier]

KEKW

[quartz fern]

Yeah it's just like the unavoidable damage getting too high on Tyran or something

[topaz field]

so far this expac i have only witnessed one single good prot war tank in lfg his name was jakeyplops

[lusty tiger]

Lol

[topaz field]

the rest is getting beaten by my R druid on st

despite i have to actually heal

[median tulip]

Even then your DPS should have personals

[jagged pier]

[quartz fern]

Not every DPS has enough

[cloud umbra]

I don't understand any argument for double wall at all

[quartz fern]

cough Hunters

[broken juniper]

does this suffice?

the actual best prot warrior

[strong forum]

[median tulip]

DPS who don't know how and when to use personal defensives are the leading cause of bricked keys

[quartz fern]

Wow look one run with double Wall it must be a good talent

[strong forum]

the dude who needed to be taught by his own group what taunt does

[lusty tiger]

It’s a handy crutch

[strong forum]

👏

[cloud umbra]

You can get wall up twice during the 3rd boss with both talents

[jagged pier]

KEKW

[strong forum]

^

[quartz fern]

Knowing how and when to use pots too imo

[broken juniper]

i like how y'all are ignoring the fact that i said "depending on the scenario you might want to use it", y'all are living ur bubble

[quartz fern]

Health pots are really good on those Tyran keys

[median tulip]

They have a talent that brings they defensive back pretty quickly

[jagged pier]

one of them is more rage to help with the rest of the boss as well :kapp:

[strong forum]

the scenario is low TJS keys

yes

because on low TJS keys you wont get 2 walls with imp

absolutely agree

[median tulip]

Yeah, and Warlock cookies

[broken juniper]

i've litteraly sent, a +26 TJS, highest made yet

[limpid anchor]

@broken juniper what’s your Rio

[strong forum]

yeah and im trying to explain to you

[cloud umbra]

but low tjs are you gunna die? haha

[strong forum]

that you still get 2 walls with Imp wall

[broken juniper]

hahaha

[strong forum]

on that level of key

[quartz fern]

If not 3

[cloud umbra]

theres zero argument for double wall

[strong forum]

ultimately rendering defenders aegis to be wasted

[quartz fern]

Depending on the boss length

[strong forum]

nah 3 is too much

[topaz field]

i think on 25 tyra this week 2nd intermission is like 1.30 minutes

[strong forum]

you wont sit on p2 for 2 minutes

[topaz field]

maybe 2

[slim dove]

if you have to live 3 minutes for p2

oof

[dusky canopy]

Shit could even use 3 walls during the whole fight if you wanted on high enough tyrannical

With 1 min cd

[topaz field]

depending if u bl it

which is int

[strong forum]

TJS 3rd p2 has to be over in ~1min, 1.5min if you can stretch it

[quartz fern]

Well on that boss it should come up during the last phase do that's true but you'll have it immediately afterwards

[strong forum]

sure

but that doesnt matter

only p2 matters

70-30%

[cloud umbra]

ya I believe you get it for 1st and 4th jade strike

[strong forum]

and that phase will last up to 1 minute if not longer

[cloud umbra]

may be 5th i cant remmebr my weak aura text notes

[dusky canopy]

Ye bigwade

Use it for first

[strong forum]

in that SPECIFIC SCENARIO impenetrable wall outright wins

[dusky canopy]

Use spell block for 2/3

[cloud umbra]

wall 4th yep

[dusky canopy]

Use wall 4th again

[strong forum]

if you cant accept that fact

idk what to you tell you

sure, defenders aegis is playable and you can play worse to have both walls up on that boss

[limpid anchor]

Why do you even argue with someone who joined yesterday

[strong forum]

but that doesnt mean ill lable it as good

[cloud umbra]

You can take double wall there, just have way less walls throughout the dungeon haha and its a fat cuck

[dusky canopy]

This guys thinks having less overall shield wall uses in a key and less rage gen in a key is better so that he can use wall on 1st and 2nd kick in a row

[fresh igloo]

i appreciate the effort.

[dusky canopy]

Let him be wrong Lmao

[slim dove]

spreading misinfo bad.

correction needed

[broken juniper]

And 19 other best top 50 warrior*

[slim dove]

[strong forum]

ya im out

[dusky canopy]

Yes.

[strong forum]

GGs

[limpid anchor]

So not even 50%?

[dusky canopy]

Send them all here and they’ll also be told they’re wrong

[cloud umbra]

he linked what andybrew said to you though..

[quartz fern]

Like I said earlier if you need double Wall for that boss you're probably misplaying

[modern brook]

That's literally a minority of top warriors

[topaz field]

rank 1 prot warrior was benched btw

xD

[limpid anchor]

That are those that have 20h a day to queue

[strong forum]

yeah i think teazir got replaced

could be wrong tho

[topaz field]

ye i dont want to spread misinfo

[broken juniper]

well the top 1 does uses it if u guys want to use that card

[fresh igloo]

i learned from the conversation at least, so i appreciate the time you spent heh

[topaz field]

no i said he got benched by his team

[cloud umbra]

A month ago 20 of the top 50 warriors were taking BSV even though the talent is bugged and isnt working

[topaz field]

the reason for that is on u to find out

[strong forum]

yeah he doesnt do push keys anymore it seems

until a month ago

90% of prot warriors still played ITF

and only started playing HR when they saw andy play it 🙂

and now everybody plays HR

curious how that works out

[jagged pier]

i wonder what Nome has been saying since launch what to run

[dusky canopy]

I’ve been on the nom build

[sick sentinel]

WTF is HR?

[fresh igloo]

heavy repercussions

[strong forum]

heavy repercussions

[sick sentinel]

nice

[toxic pewter]

Human Resources

[dusky canopy]

Imaging coming to the best source of information available and then proceed to tell everyone the information is wrong LUL

[strong forum]

nothing new

lots and lots of people think that because a high score player does it its means its the truth and best play

[dense atlas]

Huge ravager ?

Big number

[dusky canopy]

Oh I know I’ve been a hang around for years it’s just so comical to me every time it happens and I happen to catch the convo

[strong forum]

meanwhile 90% of BDKs play the entirely wrong talent build

[toxic pewter]

Is the shift toward Paladin a similar situation

[strong forum]

yes

theyre shifting to pally cuz andy is playing pally

[cloud umbra]

Im probably one of those 90%

[toxic pewter]

Dude its true

[dusky canopy]

Weird

[topaz field]

i rlly dont understand the pala hype

[strong forum]

despite me saying since DF launch that pally will be the best push tank

[lusty tiger]

Pally is pog

[topaz field]

yes

[dense atlas]

Pally is really good in a few dungeons

Like AV

[slim dove]

pally is insane.

[cloud umbra]

Is prot getting a buff with 10.0.7?

[slim dove]

yes

[topaz field]

but there should be a decent amount of intelligent ppl knowing that prot warrior is also absolutely insane

[dusky canopy]

Pally has insane survivability and off healing

[lusty tiger]

Spell block gamble is 11/10

[toxic pewter]

Yah I also called Prot Pally my pick for being good

[dusky canopy]

And a brez now

[strong forum]

prot pally gets buffed yes

[lime urchin]

Tank choice don’t matter for 97% of the population

[strong forum]

yes

[lusty tiger]

Sac every 1 minute

[strong forum]

also correct

[cloud umbra]

fak that means ima never get an invite to 23+ now

[strong forum]

thats already happening for alot of people

[lusty tiger]

Infinite kicks

[dense ledge]

more like everywhere and war is good in no

[lusty tiger]

Ppal can carry noobs so far

[toxic pewter]

Pally getting even stronger today with the patch right

[cloud umbra]

war is better in nok

[median tulip]

I honestly couldn't tell you what the right BDK build was. I've bounced off the class every time I've tried it.

[cloud umbra]

reflect game

[strong forum]

the build that doesnt play UE

[topaz field]

its already happening on R druid 😦 i dont know wtf non druid/dragon healers do in queue

they must be waiting 15 hours for 1 key

[lusty tiger]

Dragon??

[dusky canopy]

Same same it’s just not for me I try every expansion to like it’s just meh to me

[cloud umbra]

hey druids getting a nice change today

[lusty tiger]

That’s all people want

[strong forum]

evoker is in a tight spot with 10.0.7

[topaz field]

druids change is irrelevant

same as before

[toxic pewter]

Is R sham gonna be popular or was all that just overblown

[cloud umbra]

no way. Druids are going to actually do some damage now

[strong forum]

the nerfs are huge, more in raid, but we might see a shift in healer meta

*might

[lusty tiger]

R sham is already very good- they have no soothe though

[topaz field]

oh poor shamans

[toxic pewter]

yeah true but they have the 12 sec int

[topaz field]

missing a soothe

[toxic pewter]

dont people value that

[strong forum]

i only trust zaelia and thaner to play rsham in ultra keys

ngl

[dusky canopy]

Evoker will still be good for us because bleed removals

[strong forum]

wouldnt trust anybody else

[fresh igloo]

big nerfs to preevoker?

[toxic pewter]

isnt r sham's int valued tho

[strong forum]

rsham doesnt bring any externals or raid CDs

[cloud umbra]

I'm excited to push on resto druid today. I'm wondering what the new damage talent is gunna do for us

[lusty tiger]

My rsham always complaining about healer discrimination (“healer with lust”) *remakes the group (“evoker”) after he queues

[strong forum]

spirit link can kill your tank*

[toxic pewter]

earth shield gives 6% dr now tho

[strong forum]

still

[toxic pewter]

fair enough

[dense atlas]

I mean rally and shout are still pretty good

[topaz field]

10 % dr on slt kekw?

[strong forum]

rsham needs to be played around

[lusty tiger]

Very important

[strong forum]

you cant just yolo rsham in high keys

[toxic pewter]

thats true I cant deny that, their lack of external has always sucked ass

[quartz fern]

SLT when it's good is insane

But it requires a Shaman with a brain

[strong forum]

SLT is bad on Hyrja if its still up for shield blast

[lusty tiger]

My rsham bud just tried to go all melee groups as a pseudo solution for pugs playing around his rsham

[strong forum]

[toxic pewter]

if r sham good with their cooldowns they can own i think

[median tulip]

Earth Elemental is an external on Fort weeks

[strong forum]

isnt that a personal

not an external

[cloud umbra]

doesnt earth ele bug now?

[strong forum]

no clue

[cloud umbra]

where it drops aggro to random people

i've seen it happen more than once

[quartz fern]

Earth Ele is just budget Trees

[topaz field]

ye earth ele on dark claws

is very funny

best defensive for your tank whos kiting 😄

[cloud umbra]

shamans i play with don't even use them anymore

[lusty tiger]

My buddy wiped his av with earth ele

[topaz field]

but might kill 1 - 2 dps

[lusty tiger]

Can you guess how

[cloud umbra]

piercing shards

on the whole group

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[median tulip]

The EE is unironically the best way to deal with the tree in AA on very high keys. The Ele soaks all the poison stacks

[median tulip]

Jumped over the edge and the Ele went the long way around and pulled everything?

[toxic pewter]

apparently in 10.1 with the new class based trinkets earth ele is a summon so it will tie into that trinket more perhaps

if you pick it up at all

[lusty tiger]

It taunted a 3x piercing shard to the party

[cloud umbra]

1x is a wipe in a high enough key haha

[lusty tiger]

Yea I watched it happen on his discord stream

[median tulip]

F

[cloud umbra]

its always 1x though, they cant cast at the same time

really should stop all of those anyways

[lusty tiger]

He didn’t know at first XXD

[lusty tiger]

You can sync them

[cloud umbra]

I think its coded to where it cant do more than 1 cast at a time

[dusky canopy]

Huh?

[lusty tiger]

Idk

[quartz fern]

I've seen them synced

[dusky canopy]

You are thinking of dark claw

[lusty tiger]

Can’t you also sync dark claws

[dusky canopy]

You can sync piercing shards

[lusty tiger]

I’m thinking void slash

Nvm

[fresh igloo]

i think by default the shard casts are not synched

[cloud umbra]

I don't believe piercing shards

[lunar gazelle]

will new ring be bis for prot?

[cloud umbra]

you CAN synch dark claw lol

[strong forum]

no

[fresh igloo]

what do you need to do to synch them up?

[quartz fern]

Until they giga buff it HELL no

[median tulip]

If you pull 2 packs they can sync because only the ones in the same group are disallowed from synchronization

[dusky canopy]

Stun them at the right time and then they sync

[quartz fern]

That ring is turbo shit

[cloud umbra]

ya dark claw

[lusty tiger]

How do I acquire the ring

My holy warrior needs 1

[median tulip]

No. It's catch-up gear. Decent, but not BiS.

[fresh igloo]

what is the right time? normally i just stun the shards cast as it comes up.

[mortal brook]

it just got giga buffed. enjoy

[dusky canopy]

Trying to find it

Hope so!

[lunar gazelle]

rlly?

link

[quartz fern]

Yeah where did you find this?

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-leek-cat-yes-thats-it-gif-12409068

Steve

[lusty tiger]

LMFAO

[mortal brook]

https://tenor.com/view/7dwarves-snow-white-mining-gems-gif-17210933

[mortal mountain]

holy moly you guys just hate double wall

[dusky canopy]

I can’t accurately answer you, I just know ive been hit back to back to back so they can be stunned to sync if you watch the cd of the cast

[lusty tiger]

We just like rage

[mortal brook]

i have no strong feelings about double wall. i do have feelings about more rage on ss tho

[dusky canopy]

Damn bro you got me

I instant opened google to start searching lmao

[mortal mountain]

what if there are times where you dont have enough uptime on adds to get good cdr so you walk into the next big pull without a wall?

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/josua-joshua-fire-air-heat-gif-23444339

[quartz fern]

I can Wall more and I get free Rage? 😮

[mortal brook]

25% buff on gem dammies tho, enjoy

[quartz fern]

aintnoway

[dusky canopy]

No guys wall 10 times a key is better than 30

[strong forum]

if you need to invent scenarios to prove your point, its not really a good argument

[dusky canopy]

Duhhh

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/flood-pipe-gif-20209978

?

[lusty tiger]

Getting the ring looks like ass

[mortal brook]

https://tenor.com/view/leek-gif-5912956

[toxic pewter]

im gonna get the ring

[quartz fern]

It's like trying to make a case for Spear

Sure there are times where it'd be cool but like why tho

[dusky canopy]

Ring enjoyer

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-funny-gaming-fifa-funny-jokes-gif-24986858

[toxic pewter]

I like the ring and I welcome its presense

[mortal mountain]

i dont need to invent scenarios they are very real

[quartz fern]

I don't think 25% is enough ngl

[toxic pewter]

I am like frodo

[lusty tiger]

From quickly reading over the warcrafttavern article it looks like a pita to get the ring

[strong forum]

its a grind

for an item that will be nerfed again in 10.1

[quartz fern]

I'm not bothering with it at all until I know it's worth my time

[dusky canopy]

Solo vault runs ya?

[quartz fern]

Cause as it sits

[dusky canopy]

Time gated

[quartz fern]

It's not

[strong forum]

if vault is fun ill play it

otherwise

big nah

[dusky canopy]

I got one word for the crowd

Torghast

[jagged pier]

u playing D4 anyway so u dont care about next season

[dusky canopy]

[lusty tiger]

Nooooooo

[strong forum]

i liked 9.1 torghast

sue me

[tropic gorge]

I liked torgh

[lusty tiger]

My lawyer is already calling u

[tropic gorge]

I thought it was cool

[dusky canopy]

I did too nom such a missed opportunity tbh

[topaz field]

torghast was rlly cool but the fact that u were force into it makes it bad by default

[jagged pier]

boss rush was fun tbf

[dusky canopy]

^^

[lusty tiger]

I liked boss rushing on stealth classes

[tropic gorge]

It could have been done better, but I'm a fan of rng levels in games

[quartz fern]

I didn't play SL ez

[topaz field]

i also liked visions

[quartz fern]

Dodged that bullet

[strong forum]

in 9.1 is did torghast for fun to farm the tmogs

[topaz field]

and particularly the fact that u got gear

[lusty tiger]

Noooooooooo

[strong forum]

also felt good getting flawless runs

[topaz field]

ye

i mean that is content

[lusty tiger]

U guys are ruining this game with your opinions

[topaz field]

and why not

[tropic gorge]

Yes getting to the bonus level was awesome

[topaz field]

but if its necessary for optimizing gear its just bad

[lusty tiger]

Yea

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-what-i-think-respect-it-listen-to-me-gif-5133088

[dusky canopy]

It was fun until you ran out of cosmetics then it felt extremely tedious

[topaz field]

especially on a weekly basis

[strong forum]

i just stopped doing it

[dusky canopy]

The only reason you went in was to get currency to try a new Lego

[strong forum]

cuz you only needed very few clears to upgrade leggo

[lusty tiger]

I think all that content is great if it has no tie to player power

[sweet summit]

visions were fun when they were not turbo stomps

[strong forum]

yeah

around cloak level 6-7

it was fun

[dusky canopy]

Also a fan of visions!

Solo content can be good

[strong forum]

before that it was ass, after that it was a pushover

but some of the affixes were giga cringe

and medivh

[topaz field]

still better than having to cook for some strange icemans

[lusty tiger]

My ui in nyalotha was so bad the way I explained it to the priest discord they were begging me for a screenshot

[strong forum]

i legit never do the weeklies anymore

dont care bout rep

i got my dragon armor, thats all i wanted

[dusky canopy]

Same I think I’m only over 10 in one of them

[lusty tiger]

Coolest set

[strong forum]

no i mean

for my dragon*

[lusty tiger]

Oooh

[mortal mountain]

Any chance ill get your armory link?

[lusty tiger]

Furry apologist

[quartz fern]

yuh; I fucking HATE rep farming

Worst thing ever put in the game

[dusky canopy]

Well

[lusty tiger]

You don’t like farming EARTHSTRIKE?!?

[dusky canopy]

It serves its purpose

I think reps should be there

[sweet summit]

I LOVE DIRT

[quartz fern]

ohgod

I say this but I farmed for 5 Scarab Lords in Classic

[median tulip]

I do every world quest that pays cash; my rep is pretty high as a result

[quartz fern]

So call me a hypocrite

[topaz field]

rep farming is also fine but it should be doable in a healthy amount of time

[quartz fern]

But I fucking hate Rep farms

[lusty tiger]

U need some sleep
And some grass

[topaz field]

not like it was in korthia

when u had to click 1000000 secret boxes

that was killing me

[rain light]

wait is it 10.0.7 today?

[strong forum]

for NA

[quartz fern]

I don't need grass I'm an indoors girl

[tropic gorge]

I hate it too

[rain light]

oh cool

[quartz fern]

Like an indoor dog you know

[uneven mason]

Holy shit I go on lunch and "but nerf does it" dudebro doubles down on badmath

[tropic gorge]

So much I've skipped almost all rep. And now I'm far behind

[lusty tiger]

Indoor dogs still go outside to poop

[uneven mason]

Argues with Jakey and Nom

[tropic gorge]

So this week and weekend, it's arms spec and I'm gonna knock some of it out

[dusky canopy]

[uneven mason]

And I miss it

[quartz fern]

That's more often than I go outside then

[lusty tiger]

Google Andrew huberman sunlight

[mortal brook]

vault is 'click door, kill 1 mob or do 1 puzzle, get loot' x29