protection

[uncut thunder]

At 415 do you think Strike twice or Spellbane Cutlass https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vAtzN5hvR55oo44eC4CKQR

[jagged pier]

strike twice

[uncut thunder]

Im surprised The strike twice seems like the clear selection

[uneven mason]

Y?

[uncut thunder]

The proc is just that good?

[uneven mason]

Mmhmm

[jagged pier]

its a free embleishment

[thorn spruce]

Good dammies 🎶

I miss my emotes

[uncut thunder]

Just the Mast stat not that great figured the haste would overpower it maybe

[thorn spruce]

Good. Dammies.

[uneven mason]

Mastery is baller for DPS wat

[uncut thunder]

Yeah ur correct i guess verse is kinda lame overall jut better for survive but i have tons i guess already

[uneven mason]

Our stat prio is a guideline, mastery just is "last" like .99 is less than 1.01

[median tulip]

You do need to have some Mastery (& some Versatility), and your DPS will suffer without it.

[uncut thunder]

Now what to craft to get the Potion Absor for Raid

My boots are junk so i could do that

Trying to keep flavor pack niuce QOL but looks like ill need to craft two 418s and swap the belt out in raid or soemthing

alright well thanks folks

[ionic fern]

Primordial Gem Sims for Protection Warriors:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f72W3z9DyDSiViAMwYTK3U

[mortal brook]

56!

[ionic fern]

+56 DPS

Daaaaamn

[thorn spruce]

Genuinely no idea how we do that much now

Im scared

[ionic fern]

@jagged pier

[mortal brook]

Bet you hid that dps increase behind your patreon until i called you out

[ionic fern]

True.

[jagged pier]

huge

[ionic fern]

I'm curious

What is treated as magic damage for us.

That Hummin Arcane Stone is there.

[mortal brook]

Nono dont admit to it, gaslight me instead

[jagged pier]

at least we know 🤷

im suprised 1 gem working in sims now is like 2k dps

but sure

[ionic fern]

Wait, why are you simming 60.9k here but on simulationcraft.org you are simming for 64k?

[mortal brook]

@thorn spruce

[thorn spruce]

GENUINELY no idea

Im at 58.k locally

[ionic fern]

Woli gimping pally DPS so they get buffed.

[thorn spruce]

I dont have that much power

[ionic fern]

Did you do a AoE sim?

For gems?

[thorn spruce]

Havent gotten that far yet

[ionic fern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eu7wZQJfv1NLD1MfZ6THi7
That's 2 targets 120

Kinda..pointless to sim AoE i guess.

[thorn spruce]

Im working on a bunch of dumb variables

[ionic fern]

Secondaries too stronk.

[ionic fern]

Good luck.

[sick sentinel]

How much overall should i be looking at for a +20 SMBG this week

[strong forum]

50-60k

[glass spear]

it's not just power level related, it accounts for design and impact on the feel of the class

and it's a meme video

[spark steeple]

Hey guys. I'm a dps main that was asked to backup tank for first 2 and dathea. Any random tips for dathea?

Sorry M dathea*

[ionic fern]

Eee.

Get knocked

Spam Charge.

Can take infinity stacks.

Get knocked into air?
Spam Heroic Leap on the ground.

[tropic gorge]

I had wondered about that

[ionic fern]

KNocked back?
-Reflect!

[tropic gorge]

I had a feeling we could take endless stacks

[ionic fern]

Je, you can.

[spark steeple]

Infinity stacks you say

[ionic fern]

Jepjep.

I was the first to go up.
So i held the boss up until i had to go up.

And then my co-tank took the boss.

[tropic gorge]

The kicks come so far apart a gap closer should always be up

[ionic fern]

Jeah, with Double Time you have Charge for each of them.

[spark steeple]

Yeah

[ionic fern]

Also, take AoE interrupt.

Unless you got a ton of DK's with Grippy hands.

[spark steeple]

Right the aoe taunt into interrupt talent?

[tropic gorge]

I wish lol

[spark steeple]

I'm replacing a bdk unforch

Thanks ❤️

Trying to dip my toes into tanking raids but people are terrified of dathea and im like eh doesn't look too sketch

[tropic gorge]

I haven't gotten out of heroic, however that mindset is pretty prevailing when trying to get people to tank

Lots of people worry about and over stress it.
You probably know what you're doing, esp if you stepped up. Do what you know needs done. Collect loot. Make prog

[spark steeple]

thanks I needed to hear that, we're kinda struggling on the tank front so shit, time to go for it

[tropic gorge]

We were also. We had a paladin tanking until a few weeks ago that didn't push buttons. It was a very, very bad experience. But now we are making steady prog, I'm trying to catch us up

Well, play my role in catching up

M+ is a good warmup for the role. While m+ and raid don't really share a lot, mostly due to the pace of m+, you can knock the rust off so to speak running some keys

[spark steeple]

Our tanks are old school press less buttons, healers heal me so we suffer in tank deaths and AGGRO

[tropic gorge]

I don't suggest lfr as any type of warmup unless the player is 100 percent new

[cinder jackal]

What are peoples go-to build for m-Raz?

[spark steeple]

Right right I was thinking hitting a heroic or normal run for feeling it out

[cinder jackal]

I'm currently running this, and I think we're good for sparks, but I'm not liking the loss of some of the CC I used on my HC build

BkEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFIEBAAAASSikkgIpkkkWDRgABUSSAISSCNkkAEOQkAAAAAAAARAApoBAC

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[spark steeple]

👍

[mortal brook]

@rough egret

[median tulip]

?

[rough egret]

All good

[sullen trellis]

hey are prot warriors good for PVP ?? ?

[sick sentinel]

How does simming prot war works with def/battle stance?

[uneven mason]

You use bstance

[sick sentinel]

the sims assume you're 100% in Bstance?

[uneven mason]

World PvP kinda, we have so many stops that we can be quite irritating

[uneven mason]

You should be 100% in bstance in gameplay too

[sick sentinel]

this isnt my question and i dont agree at all

[uneven mason]

Excluding like, certain tankbusters

[sick sentinel]

yea

[warm plinth]

You don't agree with what?

[sick sentinel]

being 100% in Bstance

[warm plinth]

Well, fortunately you're allowed to have an opinion.

[sick sentinel]

so do you

[warm plinth]

But playing properly, you do not sit in defensive stance.

[uneven mason]

But yes since you're not simming for defense, you sim in bstance

Since you can't sim for defense

[sick sentinel]

i didnt talk about "sitting"

[uneven mason]

Defensive stance should be treated like any other mitigation CD, and you probably shouldn't be sending your DPS CDs while in defensive

[warm plinth]

🤔

[lusty tiger]

If you’re quick your bstance uptime will round up to 100

[warm plinth]

Then what are you talking about?

You're in battle stance the vast majority of the time, and defensive stance reduces your damage, so why would a damage sim use defensive stance?

[sullen trellis]

thanks guys

[uneven mason]

Iirc in RBG and arena tanks take extra damage compared to OW

[mortal mountain]

honestly up until 23 you can basically be offensive stance 100% i would still swap for big 1 time hits into def stance and bakc

[uneven mason]

There's like 4 or 5 things we toggle stances for, even in higher keys just being properly prepared with the CDs that don't sacrifice DPS should be enough

Like we have sooooo many mitigation and recovery options

But yymv

If you have a sussy healer, slap that stance dance for crawth or hotcow or kungfu panda

[sullen trellis]

might start on changing my warrior over prot from furry for PVP but i enjoy fury also --- thanks guys for your input

[slim dove]

It's OK to be wrong

[sick sentinel]

the 3 of you are complete idiot seriously. I'm asking a question regarding the way sims work the answer i got is : "you play bad/ you are wrong" which has nothing to do with anything i said or asked so don't speak to me and let the ppl who are here to help do it

so when you know how to properly read and communicate with people, i'll gladly resume chatting

[slim dove]

You sim assuming your always in bstance because you are 99% of the time anyways. Also simming for "tank" isn't a thing.

[spring kestrel]

[sick sentinel]

I'm confident no tank ever does sim to see what does damage, that's obvious, i'm sorry

[slim dove]

?

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao

I missed a good time

[sick sentinel]

oh you got the sarcasm

[slim dove]

We sim for damage all the time

[sick sentinel]

good

ah no u didnt lol

[dusky canopy]

Who is this absolute clown?

[spring kestrel]

Its me

[sick sentinel]

i'll ask directly people who can communicate next time, my bad.

[dusky canopy]

Some rando trying to say they know more than the regulars around here

[slim dove]

Lmao

Gl hf

[dusky canopy]

Or the class theory crafter himself

LUL

[sick sentinel]

i didnt say anything mister "brew", i dont know better, i'm trying to understand how the sim works but for some reason the answer is "you suck/you're wrong/you're bad"

which makes complete sense

[lucid pasture]

youre all chatting

[dawn canyon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898695696482305/1087463012690042931/1077940323650641971.gif

[slim dove]

Is this your question?

[spring kestrel]

[slim dove]

The sim doesn't use def stance

Simple

[sick sentinel]

it was an attempt to understand if the sim does assume % uptime on each or full time on each yes

[dawn canyon]

there ought to be a variable to add it

[sick sentinel]

and this would have been the end of the topic ! 🙂 appreciate your answer now

[dawn canyon]

🫠

[dusky canopy]

I’ll have to read the thread to understand the full context of the debate. All I got to see was “all three of your are idiots” regarding knowledgeable people of the spec

[slim dove]

It was answered a while ago

Before you had your tangent

[sick sentinel]

being " knowledgeable" about a spec doesnt mean you can't answer completely aside from a question which was my point.

[dusky canopy]

Sounds like your question was answered originally?

[sick sentinel]

it wasnt (unless i missed a few msg)

[dusky canopy]

“The sim doesn’t use def stance”

Was that not typed to you previously?

[warm plinth]

I...what

[dusky canopy]

Def stance goes burrr

Check the sims

[warm plinth]

???

Your question was answered, and you said "I don't agree"

That's the only reason the conversation continued

[sick sentinel]

mention the way you commented next please

because it's a good way to have a great conversation, with sarcasm and being passive agressive

and expect ppl to be nice in return

[warm plinth]

I wasn't passive aggressive AT ALL

[sick sentinel]

well i may have take it a little bit this way

[dawn canyon]

@lucid pasture did you know discord extensions are technically a breach of TOS and bannable

[pallid quiver]

It sounds like being direct aggressive to me boss

[warm plinth]

I said you were allowed to have an opinion; there was nothing passive aggressive about it

[sick sentinel]

well yea that's your way of communicate and say to ppl "you're wrong, u suck, but you can have an opinion", so yea it's passive agressive

[warm plinth]

That is not what I said at all, what?

[dusky canopy]

You were given accurate information to answer your question and to presumably improve your game play

[pallid quiver]

I'm just gonna block this one and get back to work

[warm plinth]

I was literally just saying you could have an opinion. Why are you reading into what I said

I did say you're wrong, because you are. But I never said you suck or said anything negative about you

[fallow nova]

You don't get to take another person's words that can be summed up as "your opinion is incorrect" and add a bunch of nastiness, then treat them as if they'd thrown said nastiness at you.

[safe thistle]

i think he says the "you use bstance" as use that or you are just terrible kinda off vibe

[slim dove]

Ima need u to fill this out @sick sentinel

[thorn knoll]

[dusky canopy]

[sick sentinel]

🙂

[fallow nova]

@slim dove Oh I'm stealing that

[sick sentinel]

this one, for once, is an amazing troll haha

[slim dove]

[dusky canopy]

This guy ain’t trolling

That’s how you respond when you’ve accepted you’re wrong

Lmao

[uneven mason]

My wife does this all the time.

[fallow nova]

I love it lol

Mine will get a kick out of it

[lucid pasture]

YEA I DO

that isnt a discord extension tho

[warm plinth]

what discord extension 🤔

[dawn canyon]

ah right the new nitro shit

[lucid pasture]

discord nitro (10 usd version) has themes now

[dawn canyon]

yee

i forgor

[dawn canyon]

im just tryna chat to my homie nothing to do with u

[lucid pasture]

some idiot told me its an old feature

when it was introduced

and i didnt call them out on their bullshit

cant remember who

but i hope they burn

[dawn canyon]

i think tmy posted abt it

but not that its old

but that he accidentially used it

[warm plinth]

Wait so...you just randomly pinged the guy in Skyhold to start a conversation that you could be having in DM?

Yeah, what do you think?

Thanks!

[dusky canopy]

Lmao!

Speaks in a public place

[dawn canyon]

yes

[dusky canopy]

“Yo this ain’t yo business”

[dawn canyon]

he plays prot so i talk in prot

[cursive prawn]

[warm plinth]

This channel is fuckin wild today

[dawn canyon]

he can chime in but i am not sub tweeting anyone

[fallow nova]

"This discussion on an open channel is not for open discussion"

Stay classy, internet

[dawn canyon]

i have this SS from somewhere gimme a sec

[safe thistle]

i just wish i could play more d4 but guess the discussion here are nice

[dawn canyon]

its along the lines of "the feedback channel isnt a place for your opinions"

[cursive prawn]

[fallow nova]

This isn't the feedback channel

[dawn canyon]

well we know the current tuning and that we are supposed to sandbag big

[dusky canopy]

Everybody huffin to much ignore pain dust today apparently

[safe thistle]

agree

[fallow nova]

Well you HAVE to, otherwise it hurts

[dawn canyon]

i dont ignore pain i ignore better judgement

[safe thistle]

ignore pain ? you mean Iron Skin ? kek

[pallid quiver]

I'm really just seeing so much shit while walking around at work here

[dusky canopy]

LUL d4

Yo low key the beta was sic

I’m hyped

[slim dove]

paying for d3 in 4k

oof.

[safe thistle]

only regret is i couldnt try the world boss he glitched and bugged and never returned

[slim dove]

yeah thats d3.

why bother when they could literally just remake d3 with better visuals and ship it

[safe thistle]

its a diablo game what do you expect its like a new expansion of wow what do you expect ?

[dawn canyon]

except you get far less

[safe thistle]

its not max lvl and not season yet

[dusky canopy]

Maps different, things appear different witch is good enough for me I’m basic

[slim dove]

a year from now we'll get necro as a $40 expansion pack and we'll be on season 50

woooooh.

[dusky canopy]

[safe thistle]

well necro come on release

maybe paladin

[dusky canopy]

I mean you ain’t wrong

[safe thistle]

but whats wrong with repeating the same things 😛

[slim dove]

nothing, it works, it sells

just lame thats what the industry has turned into

[safe thistle]

you wont get anything new or revolutionary until real VR RPG

wish i see that before dying

[dusky canopy]

“Real VR” now that’s a term

[slim dove]

give me full body feedback

stamina and str based on real life values

gymbros rise.

[dusky canopy]

I want my virtual reality to be real ok

This is some shit

[slim dove]

"raid" group with 1k total requirement

[safe thistle]

if you dont bench press 150lbs you dont raid

[dawn canyon]

fake victory rush wtf

[slim dove]

this is like, untrained young male

[safe thistle]

youll be surprised at the amount of ppl that cant lift that in USA

[lucid pasture]

it was someone in tmy discord

not tmy tho

he just showed he accidentally clicked it

[slim dove]

[lucid pasture]

150lbs?

[dawn canyon]

dont post that in a public forum please soda

[lucid pasture]

bro are you trolling

make it 135

even 60kg

1 plate

who the fuck says 150lbs?

[slim dove]

wtf

[lucid pasture]

actually giga weirdge

[slim dove]

make it 225

[uneven mason]

Americans

[safe thistle]

hahaha

[lucid pasture]

holy fuck? and make it only like 10% of people?

you are such a troll actually

make it 1 plate

thats closer to average

[dusky canopy]

Ye 1 plate is very common

[slim dove]

bro

this is like

[lucid pasture]

bro you are actually trolling so fucking hard

holy shit

[slim dove]

bro

ong

[lucid pasture]

okay nvm man make it 315 and call it a day

[balmy pawn]

Is it hard to bench 150? Idk.

Better question: do we care about the onyx annulet thing at all?

[slim dove]

let me be

[lucid pasture]

like not even 1%

[slim dove]

do u even lift smh

[lucid pasture]

bro do you?

who the fuck

in their right mind

says 150lbs

[slim dove]

I DIDNT SAY 150 LB

[lucid pasture]

you must be smoking some fucking 5 pound plates

[slim dove]

I AGREE ITS RETARDED

[safe thistle]

im a mailman at least i know ill be fine at stairmaster

[slim dove]

i just want a VR game with full body feedback, with str/stamina values directly correlated from real life.

[dusky canopy]

So X rated vr?

[balmy pawn]

I just want to know if someone else has done the work to determine if I should care about the ring that comes out tomorrow

[slim dove]

no

its meh

[dusky canopy]

Nope

Garbo

[safe thistle]

welll they that now, where they go with foam sword of whatever outside 😛

[slim dove]

actually pretty fun, i did some larp in college

dudes were hardcore about it

[balmy pawn]

Marvelous. Thank you all for reminding me I should go lift. Carry on.

[safe thistle]

sex industry actually help develop new stuff

[lucid pasture]

pog

i love sex

[balmy pawn]

What is sex

[safe thistle]

you better never taste it so you dont know what you miss.

[dusky canopy]

Lowers gym gains

[lucid pasture]

no it doesnt

[balmy pawn]

Oh, if its bad for gainz I dont want it

Whatever it is

[safe thistle]

pumping iron

[sick sentinel]

team once again giving me trauma, note the team comp 3 warrior 2 evoker

[limpid anchor]

Your ui is giving me a trauma

[sick sentinel]

map on left or giant details windows

[limpid anchor]

Buffs and party frame

[fleet parcel]

What is our go to weapon enchant?

[limpid anchor]

Frozen

[fleet parcel]

thanks

[limpid anchor]

I just don’t think you have all the information you need quickly accessible and in your main viewing area

[lucid pasture]

how did team give you trauma?

ive done plenty of 4 warrior keys

easily timed

[sick sentinel]

i had to solo it

[slow harbor]

well they all died to wise mari so

[lucid pasture]

ask @cursive prawn @mossy spindle and others

[sick sentinel]

this is becoming recurring theme

[lucid pasture]

no

your team is good

wipe go next

or go to +24

[cursive prawn]

can confirm, quad warrior owns

[lucid pasture]

and solo a tyran boss from 20%

instead

yogi i told you yesterday

more damage

less talky

soon +20

[sick sentinel]

we timed that key,

[lucid pasture]

soon +20

[sick sentinel]

it was for some small amount of IO

[lucid pasture]

soon +20

[halcyon horizon]

why the fuck do you need 4 detail breakdown at the same time

[warm plinth]

"some specs"

[high basalt]

Hey guys what’s the tier set bonus for s2 any ideas yet? Ty

[slim dove]

give it fucking secondary stats reee

[frigid sentinel]

I bet they hotfix buff the Annulet because it isn't good enough for a lot of specs using Mythic rings

[warm plinth]

Yeah giving it secondary stats is literally all they'd have to do. Give it a 4th socket or something that we can put a secondary stat gem in like we did for the punchcard

It isn't good for specs even not using mythic rings

[slim dove]

nah nerf the procs a bit and give it same secondary stats

idc dropping 1200 secondaries for some procs youll hardly notice is awful

[scenic mural]

they already nerfed the procs

[high basalt]

@warm plinth Ty mate so roughly what cd is last stand going to be now mate?

[strong forum]

It's not supposed to compete with mythic ilvl gear

It's just a ring for World questers, not for endgamers

A fun item to work towards

[urban portal]

also there to inflate your ilevel

to get into pug normals

[strong forum]

Without the need of spamming high level group content

[warm plinth]

No it's supposed to be good for everyone

[frigid sentinel]

I think they said they dont want it competing with mythic gear in season 2. But maybe they don't want it to compete with Mythic gear in S1 either.

[warm plinth]

This is from an interview TODAY

[frigid sentinel]

because it isn't atm

[strong forum]

I like my reasoning better.

[tropic gorge]

this is true. dvd, blu ray, high speed internet, high rez cameras

[strong forum]

Yeah I'd rather skip out on it tbh

[high basalt]

Hey guys why am I getting moaned at a lot about aggro issues now I’m going up to 16 keys it’s strange as my plates say I have aggro but dps are saying I can’t hold aggro for shit any ideas?

[warm plinth]

No idea without a log or a vod

we weren't there

[strong forum]

Normally you shouldn't have any threat issues whatsoever, means you're not pressing your buttons often enough/correctly

[tropic gorge]

push more buttons faster

[strong forum]

And also with the correct prio

[high basalt]

Never have this issue on my Dudu tank same item level doing 20 keys

[slim dove]

can'

t help without log or vod.

[tropic gorge]

post some logs and the dudes here will tell you in seconds what you're doing wrong

[slim dove]

best we can say is press your buttons better

[strong forum]

The point stands, threat is directly a result of dmg output

Nothing else

And if you can't hold threat, that means you don't do enough dmg

Nothing more nothing less

[tropic gorge]

that's a feat in an of itself

even incorrect button spamming should result in some dps output and no threat problems

[strong forum]

You'd be surprised how low people can go

[tropic gorge]

assuming his stated key level has players youd expect around said level

[warm plinth]

They're out here playing limbo

[strong forum]

I've met tanks doing less dps than in shadowlands

[warm plinth]

How low can you go

[daring marlin]

💀

[tropic gorge]

that is extremley impressive

[strong forum]

Literal 4 digit dps

[tropic gorge]

shockingly amazing

[strong forum]

It's the same as a healer doing 0 dmg, not low, literally 0

[slim dove]

415 tanks sitting in d-stance in a 12 sbg

[nocturne spindle]

it wasnt something dumb like the birds in nokkhud or something right

[slim dove]

prevokers never pressing fire breath or living flame

[nocturne spindle]

that they just arent aware

[tropic gorge]

the healer the stands around, waiting for dmg to happen lol

now those' ive seen a lot of. a whole lot.

[strong forum]

Seen Screenshots of only 4 people showing up on the dmg meter of a dungeon Overall

Wild

[slim dove]

best part of prevoker is doing 30k dps pressing 2 buttons, idk

[strong forum]

I've seen prevokers doing 2k

[slim dove]

how

[strong forum]

I've played with them even

"im a healer im not supposed to do dmg"

[daring marlin]

They let Jesus take the wheel

[slim dove]

compared to my rdruid im playing at 5000 APM to do 20k dps

[tropic gorge]

that angers me

[strong forum]

Meanwhile I was in the same raid with them doing 30k dps and 80k hps on my prevoker, feeling bad that I'm not doing 50k dps on council

[warm plinth]

git gud smh

[slim dove]

ive also had co-tank prot wars running no shield wall talents, sitting in def stance, with stormbolt/shockwave/fear talented on mythic senn

wild world we live in.

[high basalt]

@strong forum Ty mate will try and find a log see what’s happening but averaging around 41k in a 15 tyran in academy is that?

[slim dove]

thats very low.

[nocturne spindle]

gotta get that stormbolt aggro on spider add

[warm plinth]

What ilevel are you?

[strong forum]

Academy is a dungeon where you can push over 100k dps

As tank

[slim dove]

bro pressed wall once and SR 0 times on heroic raz.

healers were bewildered i took 0 damage and he flopped every jaw hit.

[shrewd grove]

What's a good ilvl for doing a 20 on prot warrior

[high basalt]

@warm plinth 399 rubbish trinkets

[strong forum]

400 should be plenty

[daring marlin]

The classic chad no defensives move

[warm plinth]

Are they more rubbish than my trinkets

[shrewd grove]

Okay, just making sure. Got told I was kind of low at 409

[warm plinth]

I'm using seed and dragon games

[shrewd grove]

And blamed for the wipes

[strong forum]

Yeah okay 399, you could maybe squeeze out 60k in AA

maybe

[warm plinth]

I was about to be like damn Nome is shitting all over me rn saying I'm supposed to do 100k at 400 ilevel

[strong forum]

Top level players have done 20s with as low as 340ilvl

409 with a pug should be more than fine, it's higher than what fucking drops in the key lmao

[latent pier]

Is strike twice anything special to pursue, or just grab a 418 crafted weapon until it shows up in my vault

[strong forum]

418 until vault

[latent pier]

thank ya kindly

[shrewd grove]

It got brought up because I felt like healing was a bit low from our priest, and I thought that's why we were dying. Was told it was bc of my ilvl

[strong forum]

I've done a 20 with a 360 disc priest

[shrewd grove]

Meters for reference

[slim dove]

incorrect play, not ilvl.

meters are meh

[strong forum]

It's all just play

And oh god

That comp

Is demon

[warm plinth]

Godlike comp

[shrewd grove]

Tree boss was rough yeah

[strong forum]

4 casters

You don't have poison dispel

That's not on you

[shrewd grove]

Correct

[strong forum]

That's a comp issue

[sick sentinel]

??? has brez and lust\

[slim dove]

akchully

[daring marlin]

🤢

[slim dove]

the devoker can poison dispel once per minute

[sick sentinel]

what wriong asbout comp

[slim dove]

if talented

[warm plinth]

Can you really count evoker as a ranged? My rogue can almost stand that far away 😏

[slim dove]

[daring marlin]

AA without poison dispel

Gross.

[warm plinth]

Devoker can poison dispel anyway

It's literally one of the top talents in their class tree

[sick sentinel]

if my groups don''t have lust and brez i leave before the key starts now

[strong forum]

Oh right

Yeah so it's on the devoker then

[slim dove]

good chance they didnt take it

however

[warm plinth]

I think they have to take it

[shrewd grove]

Like, I said. I'm not trying to throw blame or anything. That was just my first time running with that group and I've timed 19s with no issues, but felt like a paper bag in that group

Got told it was my ilvl and I doubted that was the case

[sick sentinel]

they have to have 2 outta 3 boxes ticked, 1= lust 2= brez 3= counter to affix mechanics

[strong forum]

Hard to tell what went wrong but pugs always blame the tank first

Never themselves

[daring marlin]

Where did you feel squishy?

[shrewd grove]

Was'nt a pug. Was my guild -.-

[strong forum]

Wow

That's just mega then

[daring marlin]

Literally just poison and axe bleed maybe

[shrewd grove]

Felt squishy on Crawth (obviously) and got blown up from poisons, but I can't fix the poison thing

[sick sentinel]

he just needs to bring them to some dungeon that has a pad boss but it enrages after 7 minutes

and then insist on running key until dps improves

[fresh igloo]

shockwave/shout the lashers when they pop up. they should die fast.

[shrewd grove]

Just, in general, felt super fucking low survivability in the 20 compared to any 19s I've done

[mortal mountain]

priest has 387

[daring marlin]

our man was set up

[shrewd grove]

They were living through shockwave/shout/deep breath

[sick sentinel]

they aren't doing something right, that much is for sure

either they are playing bad, or mechanics

or combination

[nocturne spindle]

trying to do AA makes me feel like I should pay to be a dwarf sometimes

[shrewd grove]

Appreciate the confirmation. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy for thinking 409 wasn't too low ilvl for a 20

[safe thistle]

your fault for not been a dwarf kek

[daring marlin]

It's very much not lol

[shrewd grove]

Highmountain Tauren too cool looking. Can't help it

[sick sentinel]

for a 20 pug, probably 405 ilvl u want to get, with trusted friendsu can go as low as like 390 ilvl

[strong forum]

If im seeing this right, the healer has never done a 20, let alone more than 4 keys times over 15

So uh, I'd call it very a inexperienced situation

[safe thistle]

you do 20 yogi ?

[strong forum]

Or a super rusty alt

[sick sentinel]

no, best i did was i 2 chest a 17 SBG

2127 io atm

it is going up slow

[shrewd grove]

It was definitely inexperience. Which is totally valid, we were teaching them. But, when I brought up that healing numbers were just low in general, which caused people to die, I was told "No, it's just your ilvl being too low to really tank a 20"

[fresh igloo]

i mean, does having some extra armor and stamina help? sure. was that the root cause? questionable.

[daring marlin]

[shrewd grove]

Just felt weird to go from a 19 in battle stance 90% of the dungeon and feeling tanky af, to a 20 in Defensive stance the whole time or I'd disintegrate

[slow harbor]

Lower ilvl on tank would make more heals, it doesnt even stand up lol

[safe thistle]

its hard on healer this xpac dungeon a lot that were doing fine in shadowland, now you see that they were just barely skilled

[shrewd grove]

Not to mention, I fail to see how me having a higher ilvl keeps others alive

[fresh igloo]

it definitely does not.

[sick sentinel]

still in debt another uhh...... 405 rting to 411 and then 402 valor belt to 411, so thats like.... 1900?

[pallid quiver]

Just use your defensives on the DPS, ezpz

[vocal nimbus]

what build/trinkets are you guys using in rasza progress?

[fresh igloo]

poor PLAY on your part might be a problem if the healer is so stressed out trying to keep you alive. but a few ilvl points aren't making that difference.

[sick sentinel]

dont panic, but stay awake, is the number one rule

[fresh igloo]

if you did a 19 just fine and the 20 was a mess, and the primary difference was the rest of your group

well

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

you cant ignore pain that group fear away

[warm plinth]

Devil's advocate here but is it possible you're just getting carried by healers who don't say anything 🤔

[nocturne spindle]

is there like a

[daring marlin]

It was the same group and it was a 19 SBG.

[warm plinth]

And you just found the healer who wasn't good enough

[high basalt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RDWhwH186kZMxNCP#fight=1

[slow harbor]

didnt spec into Group Berserker Rage? oof

[nocturne spindle]

for dummies cheat sheet on who has poison removal decurse etc etc

[sick sentinel]

-2 talents L bozo

thx but no

[high basalt]

its old one on a 12 key guys but rotaional why is my dps so low? ty

[daring marlin]

Same healer in the 19 he was talking about.

[nocturne spindle]

moarrr revenge damage

[slow harbor]

need to cast way more revenge

off the top

[warm plinth]

Poison: Druid, Evoker, Paladin, Monk, Shaman (45 sec CD)
Curse: Druid, Shaman, Mage
Disease: Paladin, Monk, Priest
Magic: All healer specs and priests (via Mass Dispel)
Evoker can dispel everything technically but outside of poison, it's a 1 min CD

[slow harbor]

hell, pin that ^

[high basalt]

but on my most recent mate some revenge has been higher than thunder clap 🙂

[shrewd grove]

I mean. Feel free to look me up, but I'm fairly confident I know what I'm doing

[strong forum]

Shaman can dispel poison too

Their totem works now

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's true I suppose

Fixed

[tropic gorge]

dwarves come in like the kool-aid man

oohhhh yeaaaaaa

[calm plume]

Hey guys i got a question. does spell block work ( have any value ) on diurna ( on boss ) ?

[nocturne spindle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RDWhwH186kZMxNCP#fight=1&type=resources&source=3&spell=101

dump rage more

[strong forum]

Overall casts are just low in general

Use offensive CDs on CD

Follow the prio of SS>tc>revenge

[warm plinth]

Actually have ot adjust it again

[strong forum]

Use IP as rage dump at 60-80 rage

[frigid sentinel]

is there a cheat sheet for which DPS are willing to spend talent points on their dispel?

[warm plinth]

Because shaman poison cleanse is 45 sec CD

[warm plinth]

Any DPS spec can get their cleanse with minimal impact.

Whether they will or not is a different story

[daring marlin]

Don't worry, bro. You got dicked.

[frigid sentinel]

they can, but my experience is that when you ask a moonkin druid to decurse on TJS they just starting swearing at you

[high basalt]

#protection message

[daring marlin]

Your evoker isn't even taking the AoE soothe.

[warm plinth]

Which is weird because they're already taking rejuv and swiftmend so they literally have to move 1 point

[frigid sentinel]

in a +12 I think you just have to hope that people know dungeon mechanics because asking for anything more is just not happening

I think the last SBG I did around that key range, we had 3 people die to the shadow wall on Nerzhul

[daring marlin]

[shrewd grove]

Thank you for the reassurance

[silk sandal]

So the pinned annulet sim is with respect to a 421 autoattack ring and a mythic eranog ring. Is there a way we can translate this to our gear easily?

If i just copied the raw input, changed to my gear, and put on the website will that work? or do i need to download the client

[frigid sentinel]

has raidbots implemented the annulet yet?

[slow harbor]

kinda funny looks, 'pushing' with an alt after farming bonus forever first. KSM in my grasp lol

[mortal brook]

as servers go live tomorrow tbh

[daring marlin]

Literally my paladin

just with 20s in there instead lol

[slow harbor]

even better haha

good thing raiderio shows main rating, only thing got me invited for a while im sure

[tidal ocean]

Is there any point to shield block first boss rlp, as opposed to dumping all into ip?

[warm plinth]

She still melees, and it still increases shield slam damage.

The whelps also melee

[tidal ocean]

Aaah right

I was thinking of only using for whelps, but ss damage is good point

[mighty valley]

it takes so few melees for SB to be worth more damage reduction than IP per point of rage

before you even consider the SS damage

[grizzled kite]

Is the sanguine pools a debuff/buff on the mobs? trying to filter in my platers

[lunar gazelle]

its healing them so id say buff

[grizzled kite]

Buff, yep

[sick sentinel]

Question on the pins

Does the mob attack you in simc?

Because I am not sure how that would impact Raging Magma Stone?

[sick sentinel]

ran into the warrior from the other group

wolrd of warcraft really is a game

[warm plinth]

Yes mobs attack you in simc

[hushed spire]

any word onw how good/bad the new ring is going to be tomorrow?

[slim dove]

its meh.

[scenic mural]

Do our catalyst charges carry over to next season?

[grizzled kite]

hard doubt but possible

[fresh igloo]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-set-acquisition-retrospective-changes-in-101/1549421

[scenic mural]

Yeah just realized that article just dropped

Answer is “no”

[sick sentinel]

i need to find a heroic ilvl throw away cloak for the set

my current would work, but its turning good stats into garbage

[warm plinth]

yeah no shot catalyst charges would've carried over anyway. Not gonna go from waiting 6 weeks or w/e for catalyst to basically being able to get 4pc the first day.

[sick sentinel]

i dunno for sure, but is it that after you catalyst it, and then you valor it, i think it upgrades appearance? so u could get low gear of the set pieces, cata, valor, collect all versions?

doing it on a high ilvl one, you only get 1 appareance

[warm plinth]

Yeah

I believe it's the first thing

[sick sentinel]

not like LFR or normal would be hard to get

now, is 415 mythic appaerance? or is that 418 or 421 out of vault

i know if i hit 2400 i can do 415, but im unsure if thats enough for mythic appearances, i wont be getting mythic apperances for like, 10 years

[slow harbor]

415+ is mythic appearance

[serene yew]

theres no difference in using sword, mace, or axe other tha nappearance right?

[slow harbor]

right

[twin bramble]

New to the game and feel like everyone knows an ideal path for each dungeon. Is there an add on that works for dungeon pathing (basic difficulties, not m+) so I don’t look like an idiot tank? 😝

[slim dove]

hold w

[pallid quiver]

The ideal path is hold W

[trim marten]

Can I tank a 20 with 2 pc at 375 item level with a scuffed pog?

[pallid quiver]

There's no notable skips other than NO

[trim marten]

*PUG

[pallid quiver]

And that's just "Kill mobs until oercent the fly around the last boss mobs"

[slow harbor]

Mythic Dungeon Tools (MDT) addon and https://keystone.guru/routes/dragonflight to search common routes. For site just use default or basic, like they say, just hold W and you're fine

[pallid quiver]

probably can't take a 15 with a scuffed pug

[trim marten]

I just did a 15 halls was close lol

was carrying

[twin bramble]

Thanks! Does this work for normal dungeons?

[slow harbor]

The website won't since it's focused on hitting the M+ keystone completion metric, but the addon will show you the mobs in an interactable map

[subtle peak]

Hey fellas whats the avg overall dps a prot warrior should have

In keys

[slow harbor]

holding W will never steer you wrong though

[twin bramble]

lol

Thank you

[serene yew]

is trade chat faction only?

[warm plinth]

yes

[serene yew]

so I wouldnt be able to send a crafting order to opposite faction?

[warm plinth]

Only your faction and only your server/server group

[slow harbor]

depends on key depends on level. 30k is a good entry level i think, or if raid i got no idea

[mortal brook]

you can place work orders to anyone on server

[warm plinth]

You can, but you'd have to ask in trade with a toon of the opposite faction

[serene yew]

ah okay thank goodness lol

[subtle peak]

Cool ty, testing out prot on a 20 cos, did 36k wanted to see if that was bad or not lol

[slim dove]

60k outside of AA/nok

[slow harbor]

something to aim for haha

[slim dove]

maybe lower in sbg

[solar sandal]

does grieftorch scale with vers or something?

idk why mine does like way less than my co-tank's lol

[warm plinth]

It does but it wouldn't cause a way less situation. He's probably just using it on CD better.

[solar sandal]

it's literally same number of casts

lol

but i do 1/3 to 1/2 of his

[warm plinth]

Is it in pure single target?

He could just be getting lucky on the splashes

[nocturne spindle]

sounds like better timing with other CDs then?

[velvet current]

Is he doing it during Avatar/Demo Shout/his classes’ buffs and you’re not?

[nocturne spindle]

or does he have the mythic one and you have heroic or something lol

one of those two

[solar sandal]

i guess that's waht i was wondering

[pallid quiver]

Trinkets don't scale with CDs unless funny jank is happening

[solar sandal]

does it stack with our buffs?

i didnt think that was how that worked lmao

nah we're both heroic

the damage diff is like so insanely large for equal number of casts

and i'm tilting off the fucking planet

lol

across all our wipes tonight he has 40 casts and i have 37

and he's got me by 4m damage

like...

[warm plinth]

Our buffs only work on our skills

They're whitelisted like virtually every other CD in the game

[slim dove]

except wings 🙂

[solar sandal]

yeah like

idk what the deal is lol

[warm plinth]

Wings is whitelisted

[solar sandal]

im getting fuckin robbed

[velvet current]

Gotcha. My bad

Was just a theory.

[warm plinth]

Do you have a log by chance @solar sandal

[slim dove]

on ptr its not iirc.

[solar sandal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PDW7v6dhNV9wqj2J#fight=1&type=damage-done

we're mid raid lol

but this is tonight's shit

if anyone sees me being bad at anything else, always open to advice ❤️

[trim marten]

feel like I'm getting arthritis mashing my keys during a key

[pallid quiver]

"feels like"

cpm's rookie numbers, gotta step it up

[warm plinth]

You cancelled the second cast early

[solar sandal]

which wipe was this?

i have been trying to stand still and im watching for flames to end to move now

but if that's all it is i guess i'll just try harder lmao

[warm plinth]

it was the fight you linked

[solar sandal]

oh yeah that one was short b/c i died at 1:38 lmao

so i guess it makes sense

[cinder nova]

Any good timewalking trinkets?

Especially for this massive event soon.

[warm plinth]

Can't upgrade any of it so

[stable valve]

It’s all normal ilvl max yeah?

[cinder nova]

Heroic.

[stable valve]

Oh yeah mean from the chest lol

[warm plinth]

From the box yes, not from the dungeons

[cinder nova]

That's what I mean? I know the trinket from Vault of the Wardens is probably gonna be up there.

[stable valve]

Kurog trinket is solid depending on what ilvl your current trinkets are

Grieftorch and icon are big

[cinder nova]

Kurog isn't... timewalking.

My man.

[warm plinth]

The box gives you heroic Vault loot though, not timewalking dungeon loot

[stable valve]

^

[cinder nova]

I'm talking about the Timewalking raids, I was under the impression it was 411 drops.

[stable valve]

No, timewalking raids are normal ilvl drops

[cinder nova]

So there's absolutely no trinkets that could be strong enough to keep an eye on at 402?

I feel like there could be.

[stable valve]

402 is heroic ilvl

[cinder nova]

I thought 411 is heroic

[stable valve]

Yes

Theirs tiers to the bosses now for the ilvl they drop

[cinder nova]

So, what? 389?

[stable valve]

First 4 are 402
Dath/kurog are 408
Last 2 are 411

[cinder nova]

I dunno, I don't do normal

[warm plinth]

Aren't there only 2 timewalking raids right now anyway? Just Ulduar and BT

[stable valve]

Firelands

[cinder nova]

I recall there being some banging FL trinkets, but I played paladin then, so /shrug

Vessel of Accerlation, maybe, but I doubt the scaling is worth it.

[warm plinth]

Yeah probably nothing exciting that'll compete with modern loot sadly

[cinder nova]

If the tentacle scaling on that one pet trinket in Ulduar is decent maybe but yeah

just looking it's all secondary w/primary stat proc or primary w/secondary proc

And grif/whet are huge

[warm plinth]

yeah trinkets back then were pretty basic

[grizzled kite]

how important is parsing % for prot warriors?

[serene yew]

do we hold ravager and roar for avatar if its coming up soon?

[warm plinth]

No you send all CDs on CD

[trim marten]

Any tips for keeping my group alive in M+ besides Rally?

and keeping aggro

[urban portal]

Do damage

[ionic fern]

That's a very vague question.
What dungeon?
What group?

Unfortunately you can't assist your group when they are bad and standing in things.

Rally/Intervene/Interrupts (Pummel,Storm Bolt, Shout)..

Or re-roll pally.

[trim marten]

yeah probably reroll pally cause my group falls over dead and I'm last man standing

[slim dove]

even pally can't do a whole lot past 20s

[trim marten]

happens on my BDK too

[slim dove]

mess up mech = death insta at a point

[ionic fern]

Sounds like you're running with horrible people.

[trim marten]

or usually my PUG healer can't keep up and dps try to sabotage the group with RLP first boss debuff

[urban portal]

What kind of key level is this lol

This isn’t your job

[trim marten]

it's a rat key

20 lol

[slim dove]

not much you can do

dont over think it

[ionic fern]

Cursed key level.

[slim dove]

ive had tanks just leave at the end of HOV cuz of 1 wipe

7 mins left on odyn

easily timable

[ionic fern]

Same.
Insta leave.

Cba.

Noob grp.

[slim dove]

like, alright bro

[ionic fern]

Git gud.

[slim dove]

we spent 33 minutes in here for you to just dip

guess il go play roblox or summ

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily. 12.5 hours until interview 😱

[ionic fern]

So..straight after night shift?

Or before?

[warm plinth]

I'll have to go in a few hours early but I can go home and nap after

[ionic fern]

That's good.

[warm plinth]

🙏

[shell mortar]

Mathematically, assuming no extra adds spawn, etc. is it worth holding avatar 5-10s and ravager/thunderous roar 10-15s for thundering?

Does it just depend if I lose a use of ravager/TD if I do it one too many times?

[warm plinth]

It'd probably be hard to know for sure if it'd result in a lost cast since you don't necessarily know how long the dungeon will be. Holding ravager and roar would desync it from demo too unless you also held that

[shell mortar]

I'd probably hold demo too

So if I lose a cast, I'd probably need 3-4 thundering buffed casts to make up for it or?

[warm plinth]

Yeah idk. Probably not worth the risk because even one lost cast more than cancels the one boosted one from thundering

Yeah

[shell mortar]

Mhm

[urban portal]

Also someone is just gonna eat your thundering half the time

[shell mortar]

Guess I'll do some napkin math while at work, judging on my previous runs

[shell mortar]

Not really an issue in my keys

[lucid pasture]

I don't really see a reason to hold for thundering

[shell mortar]

It's 30% dam brother

[lucid pasture]

Kinda seems like youre just going to lose a few casts over the course of the key

[weary saddle]

hmm...Blizz seems to be making easier to obtain 10.1 tier loot from non-raid sources. And making it progressively harder to obtain 10.1 tier loot from raid sources.

my guild is already short on raiders. this gunna make it harder to form a raid

[shell mortar]

I'm not holding for a minute, it's why I specified about the time frame and discussed about losing casts

[lucid pasture]

If you hold like that more than once or twice in a key

You are just going to be losing an entire cast of those cds

[urban portal]

Raiding is still providing highest ilevel gear in mythic

No one cares about heroic anyways

Just pug it and call it a day

[shell mortar]

Again, already discussed it, no offense, if you can't read past the first sentence of the topic, just don't try

[lucid pasture]

Holy shit sorry for reaffirming what was already said and making it clear its not really worth it

[shell mortar]

And I'm asking whether it can be worth it. So kindly take a hint

[toxic solar]

cat fight

[lucid pasture]

[toxic dome]

Anyone tried ptr m+

[warm plinth]

They're not making it harder to obtain tier from raid sources. They said they're reducing the chance for tier to drop late in the season because there's no point in tier dropping a ton when people all already have 4pc

In fact it's easier to get tier from raid sources because you get a guaranteed omnitoken for killing the final boss

[cerulean tusk]

The one token, to break all the guilds with the drama it will cause

[ionic fern]

Idk, sounds easier to just AFK a week and then get the free catalyst charge for m+ gear, ngl.

[grizzled kite]

Is catalyst still gonna be a thing?

[vale escarp]

Just get 2200 m+ Rating for a free token

[vale escarp]

Yes but no more Quest requested

[warm plinth]

yeah but it's going back to how it was in SL, except without the currency

[vale escarp]

You just get one charge per week

[grizzled kite]

only played SL S1 sadly and cant recall a similiar thing there

but yeah okay, makes sense 🙂

[vale escarp]

But it will be unlocked 6 weeks after Season start

[strong forum]

We love timegating

By the time catalyst releases I'll be neck deep in d4

[grizzled kite]

D4 stream

[vale escarp]

You can get 2 from 4 setpieces via m+ and rated pvp

[strong forum]

You can get full set from vault

Just have to be lucky

[vale escarp]

But no need to be lucky. M+ 2200 = one token
PvP 1800 another token

[strong forum]

Huh

[cerulean tusk]

They are combined as one: season mastery

[strong forum]

That's new

[vale escarp]

F, thought you could get 2

[cerulean tusk]

[warm plinth]

Note the bold "or" :p

[vale escarp]

There should be an and

[echo egret]

Anyone happens to know a very simple addon/weakaura that monitors the BattleRes timer/count for M+ and raids ?

[ember tangle]

Method raid tools

[echo egret]

Yeah I know of that one. Keyword was "very simple" 🙂

[limpid anchor]

Is it too complicated to check „enable“ and drag the icon somewhere you want to?

[toxic solar]

fellas

for vault do you open as prot or as another spec

[echo egret]

No ofc it's not. It just loads a full-fledged addon with tons of bells and whistles, when I only need one component.

[toxic solar]

just rerolled to warrior so tryna figure out what to do

[ionic fern]

If you need a shield then as Prot.

If you don't need a shield, but need a 1h then Fury.

[toxic solar]

I crafted shield

[ionic fern]

If you don't need a shield or a 1h then Arms.

[toxic solar]

gucci ty

going into 10.1 we probably use the mace from nelth right?

[ionic fern]

What ever is the highest ilvl.

[high basalt]

Guys why are they doing away with weak auras in 10:1?

[ionic fern]

?

[toxic solar]

I think hes talking about the blue post where they said they're looking into limiting what weakauras can do

[ionic fern]

LIMITING.

[toxic solar]

it very much reminds me of AMR or whatever it was in Wrath

[ionic fern]

People are doing some wild and i'd say, "not intended" things with WA's tbh

[median tulip]

They are making it so that Weak Auras can't automatically solve boss mechanics for you

[toxic solar]

where mods got way too strong

AVR?

yeah AVR

[warm plinth]

They aren't even limiting WAs; that's the entire point of the change. They're just making it so they can create private auras that WAs can't track.

[high basalt]

I see so weak aura packs will still be in the game then yeah?

[toxic solar]

yes

[warm plinth]

That way they can prevent us from cheesing a mechanic with a WA without actually having to restrict addons from doing something

e.g. when they had to restrict addons from drawing lines because of Archimonde or w/e

[toxic solar]

it's definitely a double edged sword tho

[ionic fern]

Oh no

I will suck at raiding once again.

[toxic solar]

if they are doing this, they need to also make it so that certain mechanics are more telegraphed

[warm plinth]

I mean, people act like they're gonna make every raid mechanic like this; that's not the purpose

Like think back to w/e the fuck his name was where you had to find the player that was a demon or w/e

[median tulip]

They won't restrict Weakauras that simply enhance visibility of things you can already see, like block uptime trackers or cooldown auras

[toxic solar]

i mean tbh I think they should. I think it's dumb to have to rely on addons

[warm plinth]

And people were cheesing it with WAs

[toxic solar]

remember star signs on star augur?

try doing that without addons

but you should be able to

personally I'm of the stance that every raid boss should be able to be done without any addons

[warm plinth]

That would make for an incredibly boring raid

[toxic solar]

i dont agree

I don't raid really anymore, but FFXIV manages to not use addons and from what my friend who is US100 in WoW and raids in FFXIV, the fights are well designed and fun there too

[warm plinth]

FFXIV is also EXTREMELY telegraphed. Like every fight is scripted from start to finish. You do the EXACT same fight every time.

[ionic fern]

Sounds like WoW.

[warm plinth]

Except WoW has some variation to it. FFXIV doesn't

[ionic fern]

It does? o.o

[median tulip]

FFXIV raid fights are usually highly scripted dances; it's much less about individual performance, and much more about having memorized the exact pattern of the fight

[warm plinth]

Yeah? Some things happen based on health, some happen based on time

FFXIV is literally the exact same from start to finish every single time, regardless of what you do. It's like playing simon says but the pattern never changes

[pallid quiver]

There's also minimal utility in FF14, as well. You have an interrupt.

I can't think of any raid off the top of my head you would ever use it.

In fact, I can't think of any dungeons where interrupts do jack shit

There's no fears, knockbacks,

[median tulip]

There's a few exceptions; the calculator boss in the lost city springs to mind. But mostly it's all heavily scripted

[echo egret]

Would a 418 alchemist stone compete with 402 decoration of flame and 408 all-totem ?

[pallid quiver]

On top of that, last I had checked in, they were mega streamlining every class' damage profile to be around 2 min burst or something

so most classes effectively play the same, too

[warm plinth]

It'd be better than the deco probably but I still don't know that I'd spend a spark on it

[median tulip]

Which of the 2 alchemist stones?

[toxic solar]

ok i feel like this got a little off topic here, my point is shit like WA's and stuff kinda became required for raiding, but that shit should just be built into the game as opposed to being an addon you need to dl

[echo egret]

I can craft both.

[pallid quiver]

There's been groups clearing current content without any addons

[warm plinth]

Needing addons for raiding has a positive effect too, one that they're trying to reign in a bit with the change coming

In that you can create more complex mechanics

[toxic solar]

I was watching my friend do a 25 HoV and when the signs came out on Odyn, he had a WA that fucking told him where to run. That shit's insane to me because I've been sitting here doing keys and dying sometimes because I didn't get to my thing in time

[median tulip]

The one that reduces your combat potion cooldown is ok, and if combined with the potion absorption inhibitor is actually pretty decent.

[warm plinth]

It's just that we've gotten to the point where they have had to design around the existence of addons. Now they'll be able to design with addons in mind but if they want us to have to pay attention and not just trust an addon to do it, they can.

[pallid quiver]

I think Odyn's rune is a bad mechanic, anyway

[toxic solar]

i dont disagree, but it's only a bad mechanic because the dungeon is tuned around the existence of weak auras and shit

[warm plinth]

It's not though. You can do the mechanic without it if you're paying attention

[median tulip]

I've never used WAs on Odyn

[toxic solar]

you're saying this as a tank lmao

[pallid quiver]

it's "find direction and run to it before you fucking die" which is slightly boring

[warm plinth]

?

[echo egret]

My other options would be to valor-boost a Puzzle Box, Ruby Whelp Shell, Hoof, or Burgeoning Seed...

[warm plinth]

What does that have to do with anything? And I don't main a tank btw.

[toxic solar]

doing it as a dps on a 25 and shit you will die very quickly

[warm plinth]

Prot war is an alt for me

[toxic solar]

if you don't have a WA

[warm plinth]

I main a rogue

[pallid quiver]

ghash mains dps

[toxic solar]

it like 2 ticks u

[pallid quiver]

ye that

[ionic fern]

You get wrecked as a non tank on higher keys.

[toxic solar]

ok so OP class

[warm plinth]

lol

[pallid quiver]

Called it

[warm plinth]

How many 25s don't have OP classes in them again?

Oh right, basically none

[ionic fern]

Doesn't even have to be 25

.You also get wrecked by it on a 22.

Tyrannical.

[median tulip]

None of them are terribly compelling TBH. If you know a good JC and have lots of sockets consider an Idol; they are actually pretty good

[toxic solar]

i mean yes, but while it was tongue in cheek, you can't deny that rogue has some of the best survivability of any dps

[pallid quiver]

yeah but that's not relevant

[warm plinth]

What do you think I can use against that rune Yuski?

Hate to tell you but cloak doesn't work on it

[toxic solar]

it's absolutely relevant when we're talking about the time to death from the pulsing aoe magic damage during rune

[ionic fern]

Doesn't matter.
Fact is DPS get rekt by it.
Tanks get more time to move to their marks.

[pallid quiver]

we're talking about the design of the thing in general

If we're to do that, every mechanic you can bubble is fine 🙂

[warm plinth]

The design is honestly fine; it just does way too much damage on high keys frankly.

[pallid quiver]

I think the damage kicks in too fast

[toxic solar]

Right, which as I said, the design of it entirely revolves around the damage because it's a very binary mechanic

[echo egret]

Which one of these idol ? The haste one I'd guess ?

[pallid quiver]

yeah but you don't need a WA for it in any base concept

[ionic fern]

Tbh that's a fault of m+.
Infinite scaling.
Will that WA help you push +1 key? 🤷

[vale escarp]

Feint?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, doubtful

[pallid quiver]

It is "Find rune go to it"

[toxic solar]

you don't need a WA in base concept sure, but with the crazy amount of damage at high keys the WA provides a noticable benefit

[median tulip]

Odyn is a pain on high The, TBF. I've had to use Rallying Cry to get the party through that bit before

[toxic solar]

which shouldn't exist

[pallid quiver]

even with a WA I still just swing my camera around and go

[warm plinth]

Feint doesn't work on that either because it's not AoE damage. It's a DoT on each player.

[pallid quiver]

and i still take ticks

[ionic fern]

Best part about Odyn is the thundering WA. Everyone gets the Odyn mark + thundering WA mark at the same time.

Try to see what Odyn mark you got on your head then.

[warm plinth]

😂

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

Yeah that makes it interesting for sure

[pallid quiver]

yeah the visual clutter is somethin'

[median tulip]

Oh need to use the one that corresponds to the gems you have socketed.

[pallid quiver]

That's the biggest issue WoW has is visually showing mechanics sometimes

[vale escarp]

Than it has to be Cheat Death

[pallid quiver]

like the sub-boss in CoS who shockwaves

he like

doesn't showcase where the shockwave is hitting

just know, idiot 🙂

[ionic fern]

Just put outlines to abilities, kkthx.

[toxic solar]

i mean just dont stand in front of him lol