#protection
warm plinth
Bad idea
You're not gaining enough damage from ItF to replace Booming Voice, and bolster becomes a crutch talent because you're playing the wrong choice on the ItF/HR node
coarse flower
last stand becomes a 2min cd, and I can just walk into a pull with bolster and just cycle last stand and bolster (falling back to shield wall if needed)
unkempt rover
is the new ring going to be good for prot?
coarse flower
You're not gaining enough damage from ItF to replace Booming Voice, and bolster ...
yea i think overall I lose dmg, but i'm thinking defensively and for consistency
rigid fern
is there any dungeon we're not taking spellblock in? looking at all the linked builds for each dungeon on the wowhead they're all the exact same builds, I thought prot war did a lot more swaps on points like thunderlord HR/ITF ,TAN/SB
warm plinth
HR is very consistent. You end up not even having to think about Shield Block uptime really
warm plinth
is the new ring going to be good for prot?
It is good for exactly 1 spec out of 38, and prot is not the 1 spec.
rigid fern
also funny that every build has Battering ram but the wowhead cites its a dog node lol
warm plinth
is there any dungeon we're not taking spellblock in? looking at all the linked b...
Wowhead guide hasn't been updated since day 1
unkempt rover
which spec lmaoi
rigid fern
oh
warm plinth
Outlaw, and only on ST
rigid fern
yeah that explains it ig
warm plinth
You'd want to look in the pins and use that build
Spell Block is good for like, AV, RLP, TJS
Maybe high tyrannical Hyrja as well
rigid fern
for reference this is what I've been using while I look at pins (just in every dungeon)
warm plinth
rigid fern
I'm sure you have an arguement for why that nodes bad
coarse flower
yea just drop barbaric training and take Honed Reflexes or Intimidating Shout
warm plinth
Don't take honed reflexes. Shit talent
warm plinth
Fear breaks instantly
rigid fern
HF looks worse
rigid fern
ic
warm plinth
Barbaric Training is bad because it's a 50% rage cost increase for a 25% damage increase, and it makes you rage starve a lot, especially in single target.
And it ends up not even being a big damage increase because you cast a lot less revenges due to the increased cost
rigid fern
ig because i've not done any real keys I haven't noticed
warm plinth
Battering Ram is also better than Thunderlord
No TL means your demo shout (bonus 20% damage to mobs affected) lines up with every one of your CDs except Avatar
And Battering Ram gives you more damage on SC and more auto attacks which means more SS resets
cloud umbra
i used to take TL, but that lineup is sick
rigid fern
:noted
Oh
no external emotes
weird
And in which keys would you bother taking disrupting shout?
coarse flower
And in which keys would you bother taking disrupting shout?
tbh in pug keys its probably not needed
rigid fern
I feel like pug keys make it more valueable actually because of dumbs
that's why I felt the need to ask
weary saddle
disrupting shout i find very useful for aoe silence, but it depends on the degree of coord in ur group
coarse flower
i think I've only taken it on AV (and RLP previously) but neither on tyran weeks
warm plinth
Should be noted that it is NOT an aoe silence. It's an aoe interrupt, which means it does not do anything if the mobs aren't casting. I have not found any use for it that is important enough to give up more damage
rigid fern
So the taunt only applies if they actually get interupted?
weary saddle
for me, the qu is whether shockwave can do the same thing, and it does in most cases. yes aoe interrupt
warm plinth
Right
coarse flower
tbh i found it kinda useful as a 'defensive' for pull 7 in this MDT on fort
its kinda nice since everyone is holding their kicks for waking bane, so im getting spam casted on
rigid fern
I assume SB wouldn't be enough to just tank through that?
coarse flower
its also nice for disrupting the lashers at the start if youre pulling big there
warm plinth
I'm never gonna give someone a hard time unless they're using an actual dogshit talent anyway. Whatever works for you is fine in most cases.
The three big ones that I will berate you until you stop using it are honed reflexes, enduring alacrity, and barbaric training
coarse flower
I assume SB wouldn't be enough to just tank through that?
just remember SB is only against physical damage, you'll need to mitigate some of the magic damage youre taking with demoshout/ignorepain/etc...
rigid fern
I do feel slightly bad not taking thunderlords as its such a nice talent but with your explanation I can understand
wait what
coarse flower
wait you mean spell block?
rigid fern
why wouldn't SB make it so your shield value decreases the spell damage on block
is that NOT the whole point
warm plinth
SB = Shield Block, not Spell Block
warm plinth
we don't really have one but yeah SpB works as long as you're in this discord 😂
coarse flower
honestly spell block willprobably do the trick - it was just extra useful last week because it was fort+sanguine to help move mobs in AV
warm plinth
It's already used for Spirit Bomb though so you may still get some funny looks
AV is a good dungeon to run Spell Block in as well so no harm done there
And the dangerous casts in that pack aren't interruptible anyway
warm plinth
Because a.) shield slam resets and basically never actually comes off CD naturally, and b.) if you don't kick absolutely on CD, the pummel CDR is useless.
weary saddle
ic. thanks.
rigid fern
This could also just be a wowhead OOD kinda thing but
when do u ever use battle-scarred vet
just niche raid?
rigid fern
lovely
warm plinth
We don't know for sure, but it procs based on premitigation damage
rigid fern
O.o
warm plinth
So it can proc when you're at 80% HP and not in any danger
rigid fern
That is wack
warm plinth
Yeah, it's pretty bad
rigid fern
Very odd why it isn't just coded like purg
but I'm not a coder so maybe that's dumb
so to go over the lesson;
drop BT for IS
SpB for RLP, AV, TJS
Stop taking thunderlords and spec into BR
warm plinth
Yeah it's not even a cheat death because if you had something hit you for 40% HP and you were at 40% HP, you would still die. It doesn't reduce damage dynamically (like Will of the Necropolis does for DK)
Yep
rigid fern
now to find a space on bar for IS v_v
warm plinth
XD
rigid fern
ig its not that bad
I just move health pot, add a bar for lockrock + pot
that hides other stuff
warm plinth
Are you actually pressing Shift-2 for IP?
rigid fern
yes
rigid fern
I have a logitech G502
warm plinth
How do you not have carpal tunnel man lol
warm plinth
I mean you do you. I would just have it on a much easier to press keybind is all
warm plinth
I use the g600. Buttons for days 
rigid fern
my background is league of legends, WoW, and POE for the most part. Having extra buttons would be nice and all on my mouse but my G502 has been goin strong for years
and WoW is the only game I'd really benefit from extra buttons
weary saddle
so to go over the lesson;
drop BT for IS
SpB for RLP, AV, TJS
Stop taking thun...
my suggestion is to learn SpellBlock based on which ability it counters, not so much which dungeon to use it.
ie bringing spellblock to a dungeon is useless unless u know precisely when to press it
rigid fern
knowing which dungeons as a preface helps me narrow down ahead of time research
weary saddle
well that is fair enuf
rigid fern
as I'm aware of while in a dungeon what type of damage abilities do, just asking for that information ahead of time helps for planning
I would assume for 2nd boss AV
the Arcane Cleave that's clearly arcane damage
has to be spellblocked
slim dove
it was a fucking resto druid to
grizzled kite
they cant use their travel form in there can they?
slim dove
no i dont think so
warm plinth
No but cat form is 30% movespeed anyway
slim dove
its also a healing class with "1" casted heal
grizzled kite
wasted gcd for such a shitty thing to avoid
warm plinth
I mean their healing is largely passive once they've set up so they can spare a GCD unlike a few other heal specs
And even though they have 1 casted heal, they also have a short CD ability that lets them cast it instantly XD
grizzled kite
ye but that would make sense and we cant have any of that
warm plinth
True
Honestly that dungeon is so free now too
I just saw a 20 get timed after a full wipe on 2nd boss and the tank soloing the last like 10% of first boss
grizzled kite
hardest wall in there for me is the 1st boss
which makes the key disbanders pretty efficient
warm plinth
yeah esp on decently high tyrannical, people fucking up trees results in deaths pretty fast
warm plinth
There's one in the pins
grizzled kite
Alternate Build to HR with ITF+Bolster?
rigid fern
@warm plinth the talents we went over, does this apply to both fort and tyrannical btw?
weary saddle
Does it make sense to drop Thunderous Roar completely in return for a full stack Shockwave? I find i do not use TR in big groups, i rather have the biggest shockwave possible
warm plinth
<@255696891000389633> the talents we went over, does this apply to both fort an...
yerp
rigid fern
ok cool
warm plinth
Does it make sense to drop Thunderous Roar completely in return for a full stack...
No it does not make sense
TR should be used literally on CD
It lines up with Demo Shout
rigid fern
and I assume we 100% take impenetrable wall over defender's aegis then
rigid fern
Okay this results in a lot less swapping around of talents then i thought then
if it's just a single choice node moving
oh right
ITF 100% > HR?
warm plinth
No, the other way around
grizzled kite
like half the builds in the pins are not working for me
warm plinth
You play HR in keys
You can run ItF in raid as long as you're not tanking a boss the entire time
grizzled kite
ill do it manually
weary saddle
but if TR is mostly for big packs right
weary saddle
i guess both TR and Shockwave are for big aoe. just that I find my TR is often on CD when i need it. Maybe Shockwave on a shorter CD with greater uptime gives more mileague
strong forum
Shockwave does not get better mileage, it's a stun that should be used as a stun. Not a pseudo dmg ability
weary saddle
ok
strong forum
You can play it if you want, but know that it's just worse
sick sentinel
Yeah with those numbers they should've just slapped secondaries on them at least
undone verge
diurna wild
not even diurna its the fucking stonebitch fuck boys with their frontal
making me wanna jump off rasz platform in 2 weeks
covert spear
Are there any Prot warriors who have cleared Brood who could tell me how you handle p2 of the fight and what defensives youre using for the tank hits?
compact forum
Does it make sense to drop Thunderous Roar completely in return for a full stack...
I had a lot of fun playing that build. Only problem is that your stun now is part of your dps rotation meaning there's times you may need to interrupt somethign and now cant
balmy canyon
I just did a 20 HoV and got told by the DH that I was trolling not running intervene to use during the fixate on Fenrir. Is that actually something ppl do or was he full of shit?
covert spear
You can intervene each of the fixates and they can stand next to you and you take the hits
warm plinth
I just did a 20 HoV and got told by the DH that I was trolling not running inter...
Trolling is a stretch but it does make it so you can basically ignore the scent of blood mechanic
urban portal
Does it make sense to drop Thunderous Roar completely in return for a full stack...
if you wanna lose a lot of damage yeah
violet flume
man this is barely overtime week so far
20sec overtime CoS, 5sec overtime Jade temple
violet flume
grats, i just got 2600 with my 5sec overtime 😛
cinder nova
Got over the hump with a frog skip 21 AV
I'm pleased because it was my first time doing it
violet flume
is it really that good
never done it, i managed to beat 20 AV with 4min to spare before timer nerf
had some chad dps in my pug for sure though
i feel like frog rooms are easymode if people stay close so they dont jump all over the room
best run i did we were 4 melee and holypal
for those rooms
warm plinth
Frog skip 🤢
cerulean tusk
Frogs is the only fun part of the dungon. Just remember that once the breaker is dead, you pull everything between the next breaker and the following one.Pull A run up to B, once A is dead, pull B and go up to C, once B is dead you pull C and go up to D. Frogs don't matter, and is just a ton of fun 
undone verge
How good is our tier in 10.1? Haven’t looked too hard at it
slim dove
will depend on how much damage 4pce does.
otherwise its ok
nobody really has insane tier sets barring a few outliers like resto druid and potentially arms/fury, but 2pce arms will likely see a nerf same with rdruid.
undone verge
I like it tbh, the cdr on last stand is fun and I’ll enjoy having LS as an offensive cd again
undone verge
15 seconds seems low, like in Terros I’m hitting 19cpm on SS which rounded up to 20 once every 3 seconds which during last stand is 5 times, or 5 seconds off cd, then during the 1:45 without last stand it’s 10 seconds then another 7.5 seconds so it should be at least 22.5 seconds in ST situations, and factor in the increase haste we’ll get
Although I suppose it would be lower since the cd is lower, so maybe more around 20
median tulip
I reckoned it as ~20s off a Bolstered Last Stand cooldown
cinder nova
is it really that good
It is, yeah. The problem is that you're doing a lot of running and killing that takes up time and lowers efficiency, whereas you can make some pretty big pulls that more or less round out your % well before you even Ley.
By the time you hit Azure and finish her the only thing you have left to kill are the last 2 breakers and then you're good.
It's not that the frogs are hard, it's that it's time-consuming because of all the transit.
It's still efficient on Tyrannical, but it gets better on Fort weeks.
The downside is that it's not PUG-friendly, so if you lack a team you run with it's dicey.
shell mortar
serene yew
how often should we be using slam?
warm plinth
15 seconds seems low, like in Terros I’m hitting 19cpm on SS which rounded up to...
ST is like, absolute best case scenario. But yes I'm assuming bolster since you'll run that in 10.1
warm plinth
how often should we be using slam?
Like regular Slam or Shield Slam?
warm plinth
Never, take it off your bar
serene yew
ah okay lol
warm plinth
Same with Whirlwind and Rend
serene yew
what else
warm plinth
That's it, just those 3
warm plinth
Both should be on your bar
Execute replaces Revenge on ST when it's usable
and you can't go wrong having a spammable slow available if you need it
warm plinth
cc
serene yew
didnt realize warrior had so many useful buttons lol
warm plinth
Yeah we have quite a few buttons
serene yew
is intimidating shout worth taking for m+? is it bad if we send adds fleeing?
mortal brook
situationally this may cause issues
warm plinth
is intimidating shout worth taking for m+? is it bad if we send adds fleeing?
Yes it's worth taking. It pretty much always breaks instantly due to the low damage threshold.
serene yew
ok
toxic solar
good to know ty
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
Hello Ghash, how are you doing?
Any news on your day application?
warm plinth
thanks ❤️
warm plinth
Take unstoppable force? Why not?
warm plinth
No, UF is the reduction on TC CD and increased damage
Unnerving Focus is the rage gain during LS
urban portal
Already feel I can’t cast tc every other gcd
Probably gonna get worse
But immovable is also pretty bad
So idk
strong forum
UF is not that big of a deal
For your dmg output
All it does is make you use more revenges if you talent out of it
frosty jungle
guys I want to play prot but I feel like I can't take damage even on low keys, I have 402 ilvl but I still feel squishy, any advice?
remote venture
guys I want to play prot but I feel like I can't take damage even on low keys, I...
Do you keep up Shild Block all the item and use Ignore Pain? What keys are you on?
We need logs to be able to give propuer feedback
frosty jungle
Do you keep up Shild Block all the item and use Ignore Pain? What keys are you o...
at the moment I only do low keys because I feel too weak or my rotation is failing, I use shield block on cd and my core rotation in AoE is shield slam and revenge and in single target shield slam and thunder clap.
I will take the logs and come back here so you can help me more precisely, thanks guys.
remote venture
Your AoE should be thunder clap as well
median tulip
at the moment I only do low keys because I feel too weak or my rotation is faili...
You might still want to use Revenge in ST in order to keep the set bonus up, even in Single target. You should also always be using Thunderclap as it's a Rage generator.
pallid quiver
guys I want to play prot but I feel like I can't take damage even on low keys, I...
You become tanky as a result of doing your rotation properly, since it fuels Shield Block, the biggest contribution to your tankiness, IP, which slows your damage intake a bit, and enables your CDs to be used more often
So without any specifics, all I can say is hit a guide and follow the rotation
remote venture
Look in the pins for build M+
heavy temple
I'm supposed to solo also many tank combos in p2 diurna M.
Anyone has a log of a pwarr who did that
jagged pier
no u alternate
it got nerfed ages ago
and u dont solo them
both tanks stand in evry one
jagged pier
and melee should also soak
heavy temple
F... thanks
jagged pier
until like 7 stacks on boss
vale ravine
what rings are you all using on your prot warriors I have 3 different rings and trying to decide I have melandris crafter and the ring from nokhud
amber siren
whichever one is simming highest
ionic fern
Melandris one and Arcane loop.
strong forum
melandrus and eragon
wraith niche
I need to find something better than arcane loop so i can get my otter mount but it keeps simming best
strong forum
sim aoe and it wont
next yacht
any idea if the new ring from 10.0.7 will be good?
thorny stone
atm its not worth anything
Even at 424? Best gems?
next yacht
so is just catch up for alts
thorny stone
jagged pier
apprently some where in an interview someone said they want it to be used by everyone for a long time
so you will have to see huge buffs for that to happen
brother stop trying to whore damage and play a build were u actually live okay to the guy that posted a log and deleted it
warm plinth
honestly all they'd have to do to accomplish that is give us a 4th socket that has secondaries on it like they did on punchcard
little shale
brother stop trying to whore damage and play a build were u actually live okay t...
Is this a whole damage build?
little shale
I was posting to ask advice for p2 diurnal for our warrior tank.
jagged pier
not wall or defender aegis on brood
massive dumb
no spell block or bolster
but 2 points in BB
m,assive dumb
barbartic tuning
massive dumb
bloodsruge massive dumb
as most of the fight is ST
or well
the more important part of the fight is ST
tawdry dirge
heya is that new 1007 ring any good?
little shale
Which are the purely defensive talents he could run to help put?
jagged pier
heya is that new 1007 ring any good?
no
jagged pier
Which are the purely defensive talents he could run to help put?
right so he should have the talent in purple that should just be gone and put somewhere else like biger rally or bounding stride,
he needs the talent circled in red no questions not argueing its needed for P2 (defenders aegis) and help in P1.
he should swap to that talent circled in green, for the one the arrow is pointing from
andblue he has a choice personally i think he should take bolster because hes not playing correctly and not covering his blocked hits, but spell block also helps in the fight so he can choose 1 of the 2 circled in blue
little shale
Amazing work.
jagged pier
not his only issue he needs to press SS more its quite low in his prio
mortal brook
which one is the purple circled one?
mortal brook
alas
jagged pier
makes the class harder to play
sims within the margin or error
but its more damage so ppl take it for some reason
🤷
well on aoe its more
but you find most ppl that take it still do less
because they cant play correctly
mortal brook
love to see competitive talents that increase the skill ceiling and shake up rotation
jagged pier
cause they dont understand it
like this isnt new for brood tanks atm i keep see it they get put on adds
and forget that the fight actually needs u to live
in P2
and its more imprtant to be better in ST than aoe
because the aoe increase isnt worth it
for the adds
and then raid leaders and stuff ask why their tank it dying
because theyve gone hur dur ill do damage
cant play with less rage
and no defensives
and die all the time
jagged pier
u need active mitigation for the dot duration
cause u take no healing during it
🙂
and to mitigate that actual hit
mortal brook
initial hit coverage but use your stuff in a timely manner so it lasts through dot
little shale
The initial hit right to make sure you have as much health as you can for the bit with no heals.
jagged pier
like when u have 5 stacks of the armour thing and have no armour
mortal brook
bro that makes me sad cuz then thorns of iron doesnt do anything
vocal nimbus
im on add job and the protodrakes' bleed gives me nightmares
vocal nimbus
no dwarf and only one evoker
gotta pray for the parry
dunno if you can leap away the bite tho
jagged pier
i wouldnt advice moving the mobs
hardy snow
cause u take no healing during it
how does this healing debuff affects ignore pain?
jagged pier
cant remeber havent done brood in like 5 weeks or somthing
and didnt really pay attention anyway
as ageis and WF i had SW every tank hit i took anyway
mortal brook
p sure absorbs dont get the MS effect
from brood
which is what made brms and bdks silly on her
vocal nimbus
dont you get SW faster with the other talent thats not aegis?
mortal brook
ye def not a 90% healing dip here
fallow nova
So I'm reading here that the annulet is worse than the 389 cobalt rings? Yeesh 😬
jagged pier
its garbage yes
hardy snow
its garbage from its offensive or defensive power?
fallow nova
That bums me out.
And given that release is tomorrow, I imagine it's too late for much extra tuning.
hardy snow
And given that release is tomorrow, I imagine it's too late for much extra tunin...
why its too late? Blizz is often tuning after the tests on live servers
in recent years such way of tuning (after testing on live) unfortunately becomes more common
fallow nova
Fair
strong forum
or just leave as is so world questers get a fun looking item
ionic fern
I'm not 100% sure if it's simming correctly atm.
I tested some and it only showed 2 DPS events, so it was missing 1 gem..at least from the damage breakdown.
As a general statement i would say that anything above 400 (possibly even lower), is better than the new ring.
And the difference is even bigger in AoE.
hardy snow
I think they should just give it normal secondaries and cut power of gems in half or even more
jagged pier
bliz makes classes work better from stats
give rings big stat bugets
makes new ring with not stacks and 3 gem sockets that dont do much
"why no one using new ring its supposed to be good"
sick sentinel
blizzard developer skill issue tbh
hardy snow
bliz makes classes work better from stats
give rings big stat bugets
makes new ...
#justblizzardthings 
sick sentinel
did you guys hear..?.. magic the gathering new set
they are going to put a 1 out of 1 print run, the 1 ring in all booster boxes ever created suppossdly
as in only 1 guy or girl in whole world can get it, only 1 in existance, supposed to maybe be worth 100kusd or a million
so that makes me wonder what if some kid gets it at walmart, gives it to his brother, brother puts card in bike wheels so it makes funny noise and attaches it to a bottle rocket, or the other side if someone really famous gets it and then its viewed as some fake publicity thing
i just kinda feel like that is the same level of absurdity about wow ring and this card
wooden moth
Would you guys recommend using a 408 alltotem or 415 whelp shell for m+? The whelp shell sims higher dps for me but I'm wondering if i should factor in defensive value from the totem procs
jagged pier
totem
wooden moth
Thanks! Took me ages to farm that so I'm glad to hear it 😅
sick sentinel
yeh
totem is best in slot in mythic + dungeons
probably for DK and possibly some other tanks im not thinking about, i know dk has DRW
dapper vapor
they are going to put a 1 out of 1 print run, the 1 ring in all booster boxes ev...
Worst part about this is the one ring has the wrong inscription on it
They used standard elvish rather than the black language
Not to mention it's only on the outside and in standard gold like the sol ring prongs rather than a glowing tone
Like how does that pass design QC
sick sentinel
somehow.... rudy has moved past magic 30, and his new timmy reee obession pick on it target for now is this the 1 ring
cinder storm
Have you guys ever thought about just playing wow casually, collect mounts, achievements and things like that? I've thought about dropping m+ but I can't seem to enjoy wow casually
I never ever got hooked with wow until I found out about m+
wraith niche
I do both
m+ when people are online, collecting swag when they arent
Mindlessly going through old raids and world bosses while listening to an audio book is chill
cinder storm
I could try using an audio book or some lofi playlist
wraith niche
casual netflix show on second screen is also nice. Thats how i watched brooklyn 99 and archer
jagged island
What is the haste cap for prot?
strong forum
~7000
sick sentinel
5100 and like 7190 or some shit i can log in and look
5100 = 30% and you lose 10% after that from 1 haste
its called True Stat Values, because i know someone will ask
the other 10% lost rating thresh hold numbers are: mastery and crit= 5400, versa= 6150
jagged island
at 4947 at the moment, need to get abit more than
untold adder
hey guys. We are currently progging Kurog Mythic. We are 59 pulls in, and best pull is 1.1% - so i expect we get it next raid night (to morrow)
My question is; any small tips to optimize? we do the cheese stuff, and i am very good at holding the boss between phases to offset casts and all that; im just wondering, small extra 1% tips for prot warriors or general shit, i might have missed?
We mostly die due to people fucking up personal responsibility in earth phase.
uneven mason
Does it have logs precious?
Like, I guess everyone in the raid "do that" but 1.1% harder
ionic fern
Press buttons more for DPS.
untold adder
yea im sure we can get the last 1.1% our dps are more than fine, and we dont die to anything tank related; like we move the adds in time and all that. Was just windering if anyone had a "hey, small prot warrior tip; in the phase, when you do THAT, this is a great idea" or what ever
ionic fern
Nope.
uneven mason
Mwahi was spot on
hardy snow
yea im sure we can get the last 1.1% our dps are more than fine, and we dont die...
its hard to say what you can optimize, if we don't know what were you doing, what build using etc.
ionic fern
Check the add death.
Maybe people are focusing the add too quickly.
Nothing Prot warrior specific.
untold adder
alright; just wanted to check 🙂 We only cleave add, never focus it. And our dps when we transition is hitting way and beyond the breakpoint. We have several issues going in to p3 with 3-4 dps missing because they fuck up on their own, so thats our place to optimize
Giga fun fight to tank though, especially after doing fucking shit tier sennarth
jagged pier
theres a fun fight?
jagged pier
all i know is bird is trash
untold adder
I really like tanking kurog, honestly. Very specific timings to hit, lots of responsibility on the tanks, good coordinated tauntswaps and waht not.
jagged pier
there is?
modern brook
jakeys dooming again 😦
jagged pier
its taunt at 1
untold adder
taunt at one; swap taunt on add; move boss at 96 energy, hold boss in ring for right time to off set casts, move add in p2 to offset bedrock, move add in p3 to offset orbs
its more fun than "lol scate up this shit ramp and wipe as your DPS doesnt kill add fast enough"
hardy snow
taunt at one; swap taunt on add; move boss at 96 energy, hold boss in ring for r...
isnt it easier to stack add in p2 instead of moving it away?
jagged pier
aapart from the first move thats normal tanking stuff
and u dont need to move the add in P2 at all
u just hold them with cleave space in between them
and the gaps there anyway
🤷
ionic fern
Our RL said to move the add. 😦
untold adder
we just move the add slighty to add the gap before they both cast bedrock at (almost) same time, makes taunt swaps slighty easier
boss starts bedrock, move add 10 feet, add casts bedrock.
jagged pier
but they can be that distance already
cleave abilities have range
so your not loosing anything
just having them split to begin with
sick sentinel
Press buttons more for DPS.
ionic fern
We moved them further split than your average melee DPS cleave abilities.
untold adder
cleave from add would easier hit both tanks and give absorbs
when we tank swap, we would need to reposition the add every time?
or no?
jagged pier
not really
can stand inbetween both
so nither move
and just point away
when needed
ionic fern
We just stood next to eachother with my co-tank and taunted the add/boss..no one moved.
Co-tank moved the add slightly during 2nd phase.
ANd that was it.
untold adder
thats what we do right now. that part feels ok tbh. Issue is dps tunnel visions too hard during earth phase and dies with defensives and healingpots off cd. Thats kinda annoying after this many pulls
ionic fern
Sick paint:
Red = boss/add, green = tanks.
untold adder
we tank them like this right now;
green line tanks; just standing in each direction so we dont get hit by each others targets cones.
and during 2. bedrock, i move add slighty away
sick sentinel
the main reason MS paint is sick is becuase it takes about 4 seconds to make one and they look like primitive caveman drawings compared to PS
which is poetic
untold adder
feels like it too lol
hardy snow
we tank them like this right now;
green line tanks; just standing in each direct...
in my guild we are just holding them like that also during double bedrock and its fine
untold adder
we move them to give melee a few sec more uptime on kurog
uneven mason
the main reason MS paint is sick is becuase it takes about 4 seconds to make one...
I upgraded to paint 3d for when I was building my daddy D strategy breakdowns
errant oriole
what do you guys think of the season 2 set bonuses?
weary saddle
its unclear to me
errant oriole
oh
hardy snow
what do you guys think of the season 2 set bonuses?
sounds cool for me, I hope tuning will be fine for 4p and maybe they will increase 2p cdr to 1s
dusky canopy
I think it’ll be cool it they make it more like BFA where we’re in last stand all the time
If it’s not like that then meh
errant oriole
wander if bolster would be included in a build?
dusky canopy
Will depend how much damage the bonus does
orchid gulch
It will be included if the set bonus is any good
Not that you could pick up Unnerving Focus to go with it without major losses, mind you
dusky canopy
Yeah not worth at all
uneven mason
I think it’ll be cool it they make it more like BFA where we’re in last stand al...
I don't think the CDR will be anywhere close to the 40s cd we saw with am ls
dusky canopy
Unfortunately
uneven mason
Like ls should be a 1m base CD, it's just not a button
Bolster was only exciting because our sb uptime in SL and bfa was atrocious
Ls by itself - not good, bolster with having good sb uptime - useless
Amazingly, if they changed bolster to boost IP absorb per hit by 30% it'd be a lot nicer choice
errant oriole
it does say during last stand the effects are doubled so does that mean 1 sec cd instead of .5?
hardy snow
it gives lots of possibilites for some changes in LS/bolster to make it really fun
hardy snow
it does say during last stand the effects are doubled so does that mean 1 sec cd...
yes, and dmg boost to SS is 30% i/o 15%
errant oriole
sounds fancy
hardy snow
this tierset changes LS from boring/crappy defensive CD to nice to have offensive CD
orchid gulch
Though should you have need of LS, it will also tank your damage by a chunk
It's never all sunshine and rainbows
hardy snow
Though should you have need of LS, it will also tank your damage by a chunk
its offensive gains are too good to hold it unused, so you may not have available at the moment when you would need it for its defensive purposes
dusky canopy
This our tier set bonus right now..
“Woohoo SS does 15% more damage, sometimes 30%” the rest is meh
hardy snow
This our tier set bonus right now..
“Woohoo SS does 15% more damage, sometimes 3...
and "woohooo SS does aoe slam" 😄
undone verge
this tierset changes LS from boring/crappy defensive CD to nice to have offensiv...
Just like the good ol days
undone verge
It mostly just passive dmg and dmg mitigation like our tier now
Something you don’t pay attention to, but is there none the less
orchid gulch
its offensive gains are too good to hold it unused, so you may not have availabl...
If you'd need it for its defensive value and don't use it, you may squander a BR instead of some DPS, e.g. To bridge a gap on some bosses
undone verge
Seems to me like all this will change is you press LS on cd. And depending on how much dmg the shockwave does could also change aoe prio during that window
uneven mason
Seems to me like all this will change is you press LS on cd. And depending on ho...
Literally add it to the trinket avatar button and walk away
uneven mason
This our tier set bonus right now..
“Woohoo SS does 15% more damage, sometimes 3...
Sometimes it's an AE
Like, our 4p is going to involve math to be like at x targets cancelaura on ls becomes a DPS gain due to the shockwave
Which is just bad design
undone verge
Like, our 4p is going to involve math to be like at x targets cancelaura on ls b...
Yeah definitely, needs to be on the application of LS and not whenever it ends. Otherwise we get stuck in the same gameplay issue that turned me away from resto shaman where I’m trying to time my cloudburst perfect to snipe healing, which just isn’t fun imo
knotty vortex
Is the onyx ring gonna be worth for prot
slim dove
no
untold vessel
felt without into the fray im doing less thunder claps and SS
somehow people are saying heavy repercussion is better
hardy snow
somehow people are saying heavy repercussion is better
check your SB uptime on these two talents 😉
uneven mason
Yeah definitely, needs to be on the application of LS and not whenever it ends....
Hated that "potentially top healer, have to pull shenanigans and pray that the mw doesn't uplift and snipe your cloudburst"
untold vessel
SB uptime difference is about 11%?
uneven mason
So that's 11% less buff for SS
urban portal
That’s 11% more melees you just took
untold vessel
That’s 11% more melees you just took
is it worth to take 11% more melee but doing more thunder claps
urban portal
That’s up to you
jagged pier
the difference in your TC and SS should not be that noticale with ITF
the amount of damage u reduce through the extra blocked hits it far more improtant in m+
uneven mason
is it worth to take 11% more melee but doing more thunder claps
No
Buffing ss more important
jagged pier
is it more TCs well kinda be its not gunna reduce the cd by enough that youll notice
less SS procs sure
uneven mason
Taking unblocked hits is also just flat bad
jagged pier
but again u really shouldnt notice it
also ITF does nothing on boss in m+ most of the time
but HR is always up and always gives value
untold vessel
also ITF does nothing on boss in m+ most of the time
thats true
what about defender's aegis and IP wall
uneven mason
Itf requires high uptime on stacks and a base haste near 40%ish
untold vessel
my base haste is at 29%
jagged pier
i mean i was at like that for a very long time
uneven mason
You're probably at a DPS loss using utf
jagged pier
there was no issue
untold vessel
ic
strong forum
Defenders Aegis gets better the worse you are at the game
uneven mason
i mean i was at like that for a very long time
Yeah but you're you and the rest of us are apes
strong forum
Impenetrable wall buffs SS rage gen by 20% and allows you to get SW every minute if you play well
lime urchin
Oh I better start picking defenders aegis then
jagged pier
im just as much an ape
strong forum
People really love to ignore the rage gen on imp wall
jagged pier
^
uneven mason
It's astounding how little gets paid attention to the rage economy being strong as a point in why warriors are doing well this xpac
It was such a pain point in the past
hardy snow
ignore SW uptime, take Wall just for more rage to smash 
strong forum
ignore SW uptime, take Wall just for more rage to smash <:wicked:937093876857045...
That's 90%of the time the case, yes
Some people only use SW as often as like 5 times per key, me included cuz I only do weeklies
So imp wall atleast gives you more rage lol
uneven mason
SW works as a load balancer for me, if has sw - bigger pull if you can
Although on fort weeks that tends to kill the dps
Because only tanks are responsible for interrupting
stable raft
are the new rings that are coming out tomorrow with them gem stones worth it do you think for geared people?
modern brook
are the new rings that are coming out tomorrow with them gem stones worth it do ...
currently i think most classes dont care too much
dusky canopy
modern brook
id expect buffs to it, ion wanted them to be bis
dusky canopy
A fun little bis ring for 2 months sounds like something to do hopefully they buff them
modern brook
smh
strong forum
but its not something that will make you stronger
modern brook
as soon as they're bis people will be bitching about borrowed power again
dusky canopy
Yeah like why do the new content if your goal in game is player power
You wouldn’t
Should definitely buff the rings imo
modern brook
agrid
strong forum
god forbid they bring out fun content that isnt tied to player power...
wow SERIOUSLY lacks FUN content
dusky canopy
No I agree with that too
modern brook
god forbid they bring out fun content that isnt tied to player power...
its about enabling shitters to get achievements
dusky canopy
They should do fun things in game that aren’t tied to player power
modern brook
like if you're Casual Cassidy
the ring is the difference between ending season 1 w/ KSM and not
dusky canopy
But a item reward that’s not powerful?
Maybe fun content for cosmetics
Or simply no reward at all
The goal of it is to just be fun
strong forum
it has fun little procs i assume
slim dove
remember 90% of wows playerbase does open world content and thats it.
modern brook
it has fun little procs i assume
arent they all just "damage"
strong forum
nah
there are only a few dmg ones
some are conditional ones
some defensive ones
modern brook
do the conditional ones do damage?
modern brook
let me rephrase sorry
modern brook
"why would i ever choose an option that doesnt do damage"
modern brook
sure sure
jagged pier
it doesnt
slim dove
dusky canopy
That is true new tank’s definitely are baited by anything and everything that says “make more tanky”
violet flume
the number of healers that make me feel like i need to dstance in pugs will shock you too tbh
i personally sit a lot in dstance unless its baby damage intake pulls
if i had healers i trusted id go battle stance more
but hey i only do +20s, you pretty much time them guaranteed if you dont wipe
stable raft
if i had healers i trusted id go battle stance more
but don't you think thats kinda your lack of limit testing in battle stance though, keeping up mitigation, DEF CDs and stuff like that which is giving you that mentality not the healers ?
uneven mason
This is truth
strong forum
ive not used d-stance more than a handful times in keys
even with a 360 disc priest
you can almost entirely self sustain yourself in regular keys
uneven mason
Tankbusters are like when it gets used
violet flume
i mean i wont lie im sure i overuse it
i do try to track how strong my healer feels
and i adjust accordingly
stable raft
i mean i wont lie im sure i overuse it
i didn't want to come acorss like im having a dig just trying to understand your pov
violet flume
like if i dip low oftne in bstance f taht
stable raft
i love stance dancing
violet flume
its true that i dont feel like i need to pop defensive cds that often though
tropic gorge
At least we don't lose our rage when changing stances now
modern brook
d stance more like dork stance smh
uneven mason
At least we don't lose our rage when changing stances now
This is true, I gain rage irl when I see a warrior staying in defensive longer than the swap CD
tropic gorge
Lmao
I often forget I changed stances
I usually sit in battle until a tank buster is coming, then I'll swap
uneven mason
I have a wa that blinks red telling me I'm in dufus mode
violet flume
maybe i should give battle more of a chance and swap to D if i feel like healer is weak
odd tree
mine does that in arms/fury, need to enable it for prot too
uneven mason
Just swap to defensive when you need to "catch up" really you're just training the healers to continue to be lazy
true stump
hi guys my guild is progging on m brood and it literally feels like our prot warrior is fighting for his life the entire time. he's doing eggs. i really dont know anything about prot but is that how it's supposed to be during this fight
odd tree
did a tjs the other day, 3rd boss came around and healer wasn't sure why i was dieing so fast. yea, i actually needs heals for this boss
jagged pier
hi guys my guild is progging on m brood and it literally feels like our prot war...
whats your other tank?
and link logs
lime urchin
hi guys my guild is progging on m brood and it literally feels like our prot war...
Why are you asking questions here and not your warrior friend
jagged pier
because most of them dont come here
lime urchin
But it’s such a welcoming, warm place here
jagged pier
ive spoken to more RLs than the tanks themselves
jagged pier
well firstly
lime urchin
Hope you didn’t speak to mine 
jagged pier
monk is a far better boss tank
true stump
yeah
i am not part of leadership
just someone frustrated we have not killed it yet : )
we are at like 100+ wipes and doing 12 staff
strong forum
his talent build is SUPER weird
true stump
i think they'd be hesitant to switch tanks bc we have so many pulls at this point
jagged pier
well apart from BS and TLS thats what i would expect
from a boss tank build
if they scared
strong forum
hes add tank
true stump
he's boss tank
jagged pier
tbf i dont think your warrior is the issue
hes playing very well
expect a few odd talents
like his not even highest EHRPS
like hes blocking his hits
sure he should have SW up and in the attempt u linked he didnt have it for the tank mechanics
and looks like he was a tad slow on spell block
true stump
yeah i wasn't sure if like someone should just focus him for healing so he doesn't have to worry so much about staying alive on his own?
strong forum
pwar cant stay alive on his own
jagged pier
no one helped him soak the mechanic?
strong forum
theyre soaking
jagged pier
i mean im just looking at the attempt is opened on
strong forum
strong forum
on that specific wipe youre just bleeding players early on
jagged pier
like he went from 80%-20% u cant heal out of that
strong forum
you had like 8 dead people before the war died, 2 of them healers
jagged pier
as i said mitiation was slow
true stump
yeah
idk our healers are strange
we have both druids on adds
which i don't 100% understand
strong forum
id send prevoker + 1 druid there i think
your hpal is always far behind your other healers in healing
every single pull
true stump
yeah he is ret main
strong forum
ah
true stump
and they had him go holy for eggs
true stump
lol
strong forum
but he doesnt do that either
your pwar isnt playing his rotation that well too
hes underusing SS and Revenge, and overusing ignore pain
man should NOT have more TC casts than SS
topaz field
also no externals ever used on him
i see 2 barks on the warrior
in 20 wipes
with 2 druids
healing
true stump
well
jagged pier
again the druids are on the adds
true stump
he doesn't call for them :c
covert spear
Hey I'm the warrior in the logs, and yeah to answer why she's asking and not me, I asked a question last night that got no response lol
true stump
also he's typing and sees this
topaz field
ye obviously
jagged pier
like i called for an external on raz at the end cause i made a mistake
topaz field
but this group has different problems than u have jakey 🙂
covert spear
If there are better talents to run I'm in on it. I have issues where when I ask for externals from the healers on me I don't get them so I have to get them pre determined on two of the egg sets
modern brook
@strong forum i know a couple of days ago you were doing like Phial of eye in the storm testing - what came of that?
covert spear
So I'm definitely overusing up but ive founf if I don't mitigate damage hard by the time I take an ms I don't get healed.
modern brook
🙂
modern brook
heard ty
i coulda sworn you were doing something with the stacks
like how they fell off or sometihng
strong forum
So I'm definitely overusing up but ive founf if I don't mitigate damage hard by ...
issue with that is
revenge is your SS reset tools, which gives you then more rage overall, which means more CDs and outbursts which is again more rage and defensive gains
prio SS over everything (besides CDs ofc) at all costs
jagged pier
yes
covert spear
Bolster is overkill.
strong forum
yeah so get rid of that too and get battering ram
covert spear
I started with a more well rounded build and just moved to more defensive as we wiped more
jagged pier
i think seiesmic and enduraing is a waste in general as well
covert spear
I have ram?
strong forum
not in the log i got sent
covert spear
I'll take all of those changes. I appreciate the feedback
strong forum
im also REALLY not sure about defenders aegis
jagged pier
jagged pier
im also REALLY not sure about defenders aegis
u run it for P2, im not sure on the timings
so wall might work
but i was running aegis
but then again sometimes monk died and u need to take 2 in a row
covert spear
I was running defenders aegis mostly for eggs 10 through 12 into p2
strong forum
sure ive not done the fight, so idk if there are tight moments like this
jagged pier
imma try wall on reclear
covert spear
I prefer wall but I found I needed cds
jagged pier
but again im also add tank
covert spear
There are not many prot warriors on boss I'm noticing
Jake did you find you had a gap in your defensives for p2
jagged pier
because its like the worst boss tank
grave prairie
do you guys know if there is an aura for asking for externals? just like the innervate one
strong forum
most guilds have a BDK
jagged pier
god knows why your monk is doing adds
strong forum
and most other tanks are better than pwar on boss
covert spear
One of the times I died where I fell over I just had nothing
Called for bark and GS, didn't get them
true stump
bro i was dead
covert spear
Is there a best defensive to call for
true stump
i couldn't bark you
drifting needle
Ended up doing boss myself, went with the wall but had plenty of externals to cover any gaps
true stump
im the best tank healer tho
astral crystal
brood rough if you're doing boss
drifting needle
TD. Certified banger once you don’t get slept on
covert spear
Our monk is getting TD on all of his and I'm trying to live with the rest
strong forum
CB 
covert spear
Lmao we figured out last night Cb shield is preeeeettty good
jagged pier
how?
strong forum
thats like brews big thing, next to 60% dodge and stagger
CB allows you to immune so many busters
covert spear
I mean he knows it's good but I guess it interacts very well with the tank hit
strong forum
you can pre-CB alot of them, if not all of them
coupled with 60%+ dodge
brew is easily the 2nd bess boss tank on diurna
with BDK being the cheat spec like always
covert spear
I wish my bdk was full functional
strong forum
a well played 400ilvl bdk is prolly better than a 420 pwar on that boss
hardy snow
regarding diurna, how big diff is in boss tanking between pwar and vdh?
covert spear
I think I'm on the boss cause I didn't from heroic and we changed our other tank halfway through prog
My bdk is 398 👀
Was my usual main
true stump
i don't really know. at this point i don't know if they'll switch it. with like 100+ wipes. we also do 12 staff and have trouble during that 5 min mark and they won't change to 11 staff
strong forum
emphasis on well played
jagged pier
nowahs was less when they killed it the first time i believe
covert spear
They won't. They're dead set on this
strong forum
13ish ilvl
covert spear
nowahs was less when they killed it the first time i believe
I'll let you know when I'm as good as naowh lmao
sick sentinel
damn, okay, cuz i still got that 402 crafted ring, but i also have TJS ring 402 now
and it will be 411 by, i dunno but soon
covert spear
I appreciate the help folks thank you for your time
If Jake is still around I'd love to know if you ran into the same pain points Duong p2
jagged pier
pain points?
sick sentinel
would be good to have epic gems once again if thats not alread in the works
feels good to put epic quality gems in sockets
hardy snow
pain points? just **ignore **them
jagged pier
i mean for me at least P2 is easy i dont even run spell block never have
covert spear
Aka I'm good when I have wall up or even spell block
But I feel there is one I don't have buttons is that just ask for an external and pray?
sick sentinel
my tomorrow
i did 2 16 RLP's and i think some other 16, but apparently they were so bad that game didnt count them
sick sentinel
oh my lord
everytthing below RLP, i haven't ran in 2 months apparently
thats what the IO site tells me
deep spruce
i did 2 16 RLP's and i think some other 16, but apparently they were so bad that...
That's always been the case, it doesn't show any more after the 8 to get the vault slot. If you done 400 dungeons it would be kinda dumb if it listed them all. You must've done those 5 sbg and then hovs before u done the rlp's
sick sentinel
ruby was the first but it was over time, lots of keys i run end up over time due to deaths to nothing
or, annoying tornadoes
those get on my nerves now
toxic solar
fellas, how come our stat priority recommends haste above mastery? Is that purely for DPS? Wouldn't mastery be better for making us tankier?
mortal brook
feedback loop. more haste is more resets/builders is more rage is more avatar and such coverage
our cds being strong force multipliers greater than a linear mastery stat
upper tinsel
Has someone did the sims with the new ring ?
grim pilot
whetstone vs hoof for m+?
slim dove
whetstone
mental ermine
Has someone did the sims with the new ring ?
i see a lot of people saying "this ring is a trash"
upper tinsel
i see a lot of people saying "this ring is a trash"
Yea , thats what im reading too , kinda meh to have something new and it is just useless from the start.. haha
mental ermine
need a hard buff
mighty valley
they seem to be really good for some specs? but not us
slim dove
bad for boomie, sp, feral, all healer specs, and all war specs
not sure about the rest
crystal mauve
That's always been the case, it doesn't show any more after the 8 to get the vau...
It shows the best one you did, no the order you did them in, thus the order on the picture
broken juniper
yo, anybody did the math for the new ring at 10.0.7? is it worth it or na?
lime urchin
whetstone vs hoof for m+?
Use both
tidal bronze
Hi guys, going to dathea MM progress tonight, how to deal with the platform ?
I think i will take disrupting shout for the first kick
jagged pier
no u take the shout to silence alot of the smallies and the big add so u can bring them ontop of the small adds u dont hit
u cant hit everything with shout
u need to view the pattern and choose how to/where to stand to silence the most
sick sentinel
dammit, i don't have a human or an orc at lvl 50
tidal bronze
no u take the shout to silence alot of the smallies and the big add so u can bri...
ok
hardy snow
ok
to add what Jakey said - its best to position between big add and bigger pack of small ones, position of small one isnt symmetrical and isnt always the same, its best to watch it when positioning for knockback, so you land there, below is one of examples, after shout you bring mobs to the ones on left that were out of range for shout
jagged pier
yes
tidal bronze
to add what Jakey said - its best to position between big add and bigger pack of...
ty for the pic 😉
broken juniper
Does it beat a 421 ring, or the titanic ring 418?
grim pilot
Use both
got icon (hc but w/e), I use both if there isnt a single icon user in a group - otherwise I use icon
lime urchin
The painting skills on this channel are stunning!
sick sentinel
mortal brook
That was the best combo?
jagged pier
youll have to ask mohawk man it was his maths
mortal brook
jagged pier
again youll have to ask mwahi how he did it
or they changed the numbers very very recently
sick sentinel
thats fine, they stil blow up faster than us
strong forum
They don't
scenic mural
Definitely dont
sick sentinel
im not sure about that lol
strong forum
Yeah, but I am
sick sentinel
hmm well, first i heard about paladin completely over took warrior but okay
strong forum
That's been the case literally since df launch
scenic mural
Pally is S tier as it gets atm
strong forum
With 10.0.7 pally gets even crazier
scenic mural
I levelled a pally and was tanking 18s at like 350 ive never played the class
sick sentinel
i might create some yeeted and deleted after lvl 50 hunter for the heritage
scenic mural
Whats the point its tied to the race cant use it on others
sick sentinel
then i have it if i want to race change i don't have many transmog for mail and cloth, slightly better on weapons and leather due to rogue
scenic mural
Youll just get it if you choose to race change
sick sentinel
i like my transmogs
scenic mural
sick sentinel
still have to reputation human/orc rep, but thats like, a few runs in botanica
if you are doing low dps (as a dps spec, or dps only class [masge hunter lock ETC]), and you are dying, and you have a bad transmog, you get kicked from the LFR, because you are clearly bad,
mortal brook
Since when does pally sim 8k dps more than pwar in St
Wings got unwhitelisted so trinket dam up
slim dove
mortal brook
Idk for the rest, im not a math bear
mortal brook
Since when does pally sim 8k dps more than pwar in St
@thorn spruce
jagged pier
Wings got unwhitelisted so trinket dam up
u really needed more buffs
mortal brook
P sure its incidental
But yes tankadin st should still be behind still cuz patch is a st loss
With the dnd change
glass spear
how much of a loss is the change to DnD?
glass spear
not that bad tbh, the change makes it way less awkward (for me, at least)
mortal brook
If you had good uptimes with old dnd
If you didnt, neutral to buffs cuz its braindead now
Not even gonna track it
thorn spruce
Since when does pally sim 8k dps more than pwar in St
GENUINELY no idea
I havent changed anything that should affect it
Only things i can think of is a minor fix in terms of rotation, taking rp into consideration results in ~5% uptime of wings
as well as the buff we got:
thorn spruce
Buffing paladins ST yeah
glass spear
is the % heal on blessed hammer and sotr significant at all for prot?
thorn spruce
Not really
glass spear
figured as much, it's super low for a tank huh
thorn spruce
Ret is 5%