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#protection
summer patrol
what is the general opinion on the next prot warrior tier set?
i know its propably a common question
pallid quiver
No idea
We don't have major solid numbers on the 4P
So it'll either boil to "neat SS damage 🙂 " to "Run bolster you need it"
At any rate, 15% SS damage is neato
the CDR is not very much
If you're running Bolster, which may be a thing depending on tuning, it's like 20-30 CDR on the higher-ish end
median tulip
20s off Bolstered Last Stand, max. 30s off unbolstered
hollow vortex
what should the offset piece be?
pallid quiver
For this tier set, probably chest if you can afford it since it doesn't have haste
So you can get a high haste piece on a big stat budget item
hollow vortex
ty
round pendant
Man's dragging the boss unnecessarily on M Council
and no one was kicking the casters
he "..."'d me when I died cause I had 2 crush stacks and got meleed for 400k (I turned my back prob but still)
pallid quiver
council taunt swap too hard
there's like four bosses and they've only got one taunt, man
mortal brook
pressing the threat button every 30s is a big ask for many ppl
sick sentinel
actually managed to deplete a 16 SBG cuz hunter (i think, i group with many hunters) and he didnt seem to get that the wall is a 100% death after you touch it, i think he thought it was you take big dmg while standing right inside of it
we were doing.... okay.... then wiped 2 times to final boss,
warped scarab
Is there any reason prot warriors use slam or rend? I havent even seen them mentioned in any guides
stable valve
Is there any reason prot warriors use slam or rend? I havent even seen them ment...
I use rend ONLY on 3rd boss SBG if the ranged bait the puddles too far away for TC
warped scarab
thunderclap applies rend? I dont see that in the tooltips..
stable valve
thunderclap applies rend? I dont see that in the tooltips..
Blood and thunder talent
Class tree
slim dove
its nothing, dont use it
there could be an argument for using it on explosive week but thats it
warped scarab
really? haha first time playing a prot warrior
I dont even see it mentioned anywhere in rotation guides
slim dove
yeah cuz its a dead spell
mortal brook
whirlwind and slam arent played tbh
replaced by better stuff like revenge
and such
warped scarab
use ravager though still for AoE?
mortal brook
even low target, not just aoe
pallid quiver
Revenge is Prot's slam
warped scarab
ok so ravager is good to use
pallid quiver
it does more damage in ST even
Ravager you use on ST
er
on CD
It gives a lot of damage and rage in both ST and AOE
warped scarab
ok but for real though most of you dont have slam or whirlwind on your bars?
slim dove
nope
warped scarab
like you never use them? lol seems so strange that these moves exist but not used
never played a class like that
pallid quiver
They're baseline warrior spells
both other specs use them
they just get replaced by whirlwind
lone copper
Revenge is better than both whirlwind and slam
pallid quiver
Think of it like Shadow Bolt turning into Drain Soul, except we still have the ability
warped scarab
oh ok ya that makes sense
pallid quiver
The only time you would ever press either of those buttons ever is in Torghast if you get the whirlwind buff.
considering that's last xpac stuff
warped scarab
ok haha thanks guys
any highly recommended WA?
I have a WA package but wondering if theres specific ones I should be running that help with Prot War
pallid quiver
You need a way to track Violent Outburst, your CDs, your rage, and your SB duration/uptime
If you can do all of those, you're pretty set
warped scarab
ok perfect and I know i need to essentially keep shield block up at all times but how does ignore pain work?
pallid quiver
Ignore Pain, when at max level and all your talents are accounted for, is used to avoid overcapping rage
So you press it so like an outbursted shield slam will actually give you all the rage it's supposed to generate
There's not a choice between Shield Block or IP or anything; they both get used. There isn't a choice between Revenge or IP, either; both get used
Revenge is your go-to rage spender, but you generate more rage than revenge can spend, which is where IP comes in since it's off the GCD
warped scarab
ok so I am not actually looking at the numbers for IP? Just press it if I am going to cap? its not something thats going to save my life?
pallid quiver
It only slows down the damage you take; the only time it is life saving is if you're doing some big boy keys
Like real big boy keys
Shield Block gives you drastically more damage reduction in comparison
It also has a cap of 30% of your HP, but that's just neat to know info. You press IP even if you would overcap IP absorb
Since wasting rage is infinitely worse than "wasting" IP absorb
warped scarab
ok got ya
astral karma
Hello there. I am wondering if someone can help me figure it out something. on AA18 more, on the bird boss i can't stay alive for nothing. I am wondering how to manage my cds. I have 4 piece set, i am stance dancing before the peck so i can build shield with ignore pain then change to defensive and use a CD, the rotation I do is SW> Trinket/shout> last stand> Beg for mercy. I have always SB up . How can I do it to mitigate as much dmg as possible? I have logs on a 20 that was depleted https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Jtbm7TBP8DwLh2YF/#fight=last&type=summary. Could someone help me pls? D:
cinder storm
Your talent choice is dubious, you can check the pins for the rotation but you shouldn't be running itf
astral karma
I have 30% Haste do u think that is enough without ITF?
cinder storm
ITF is raid only talent, you are taking enduring alacrity when you can use shield charge instead
You can take double SW but it's not needed unless you run with a priest healer imo
The information on the pins should be enough for you to rotate CDs properly, you can sit on dstance for the whole fight
The bleed is a huge part of the damage intake
mighty valley
This probably isn't why you're struggling on crawth but you should also ditch barbaric training
And you've also taken neither of the shield wall talents, Impenetrable Wall is generally the play
mighty valley
If there's an evoker in the group you can call for one bleed removal per minute
thin glade
And def stance for all ofc
cinder storm
I mean, with the amount of shitters I've seen today on 21-23s good luck finding one evoker who knows what to do
mighty valley
sure, the uncomplicated version is just one cleanse every minute
better ones can do more
astral karma
so mainly you are telling me that the maain issue with how much dmg im taking is just my talent tree?
mighty valley
you'd get another shield wall if you took a shield wall talent, so another CD
barbaric training is likely running you out of rage
thin glade
Don't shieldwall the first one his dmg ramps up
The early ones are weak by comparison
mighty valley
and with this talent setup it looks like you should struggle to maintain block uptime
cinder storm
You can shield wall first and have it for fourth
mighty valley
yeah you're only blocking 80% of hits overall, you gotta get that higher
but your talents aren't set up to do that rn
your casts per minute are really low too, which might be partially because of barbaric training draining your rage
astral karma
What build would you suggest for physical dmg and what would you suggest for spell block.
pallid quiver
Yeah, I've gotta also double down, look at pins
For talents
And no thinky
A lot of your talent choices showcase a lack of understanding of why talents are good; Thunderlord over either of the wall talents is the biggest offender
mighty valley
Take "General Purpose M+ build" from pins and literally just switch tough as nails to spell block for spell block dungeons
pallid quiver
On top of that
pallid quiver
I have 30% Haste do u think that is enough without ITF?
This comment here is exactly backwards; you use ITF when you have enough haste, not to get enough haste
mighty valley
But I think your fundamentals need work too - shield wall is too far down your prio list right now it looks like when it should be the top
pallid quiver
Otherwise, you use Heavy Repercussions in almost all scenarios. It ends up being a bit less AOE, more ST and a hell of a lot more survival guarantee
astral karma
Honestly i took a general build for prot warrior, I never rly tried to understand talent trees. I am trying to improve as much as I can now cus i want to improve my gameplay too. Its my 1st time playing as a warrior
pallid quiver
Your rotation base also need a very heavy looking at
thin glade
I run itf in m+ and have close to 💯 sb uptime
pallid quiver
That's nice 🙂
Wherever you grabbed that "general build" from I've never seen in my life
astral karma
wowhead
pallid quiver
It was never on wowhead.
astral karma
it was in the beggining of the xpac
mighty valley
honestly the wowhead builds might still be kinda bad
cinder storm
I think it is on wowhead I saw it a long time ago
pallid quiver
I can assure you of that, since I've had questions about some choices, but Llarold has never not had one of the shield wall talents
He did pick up BT and ITF, but never not the Shield Wall talents
mighty valley
yeah that part's wack
pallid quiver
At any rate, your base rotation needs some looking at, as well
Revenge being above SS in casts is a big concern, and your IP casts is at 1.9 CPM
mighty valley
yeah - except for the gigapulls, you should be hitting SS > TC > Revenge
burning rage with IP to prevent overcap
pallid quiver
You only generated 10k rage over 22 minutes
astral karma
damn
pallid quiver
Sense generated just shy of 20k in 26 minutes
So double the rage with only roughly 20% increase in time
cinder storm
And potentially with players killing things faster
pallid quiver
You also missed pressing a few CDs on CD, and you only had 5 Avatar casts
Your CDs generate a lot of rage, so you really don't want to miss any casts of those
My recommendation would be to sit down at a dummy and rebuild muscle memory for playing the class after adjusting your talent build. You'll run into more issues with rage management, since you'll actually be generating rage, so you need to get used to properly generating and spending it before pressuring yourself in a dungeon
Basic idea, like Harrow mentioned, is SS any time it's available, TC if SS isn't available and it is available, then Revenge if neither of those are available
If you get close to capping rage (60-100 rage area), press IP to keep your rage manageable
and just chuck your offensive CDs (and demo shout) on CD
astral karma
my question with that is, with a 4 piece set shouldn't i be proccing as much VD as much as possible? that is the reason why i am using revenge so much.
pallid quiver
no it's just a reward for playing right
It's such a minor increase in survivability and damage that it's not worth fussing over
Fussing over it actually causes a loss in both survival and damage
Even in our optimal opener, we don't get vanguard's rolling before chucking CDs because it's not worth losing time of having the CDs on CD last I remember checking
By overprioritizing Revenge, you're costing yourself somewhere around like 7000 or something wild rage,
Which funds into Anger Management, which is 10 rage per 1 sec CD reduction on Avatar and Shield wall, so you lost about 700 seconds worth of cooldown reduction,
And it also funds into indomitable, which heals you for 1% of your max HP every 10 rage, so you could have healed up 7 entire health bars of yours if you had generated and spent that rage you lost out on
That's the main reason you're dying on bird
astral karma
jeez what a lesson on prot warrior. Thanks for all the tips i'll save what u said here so I can read it and understand it better. I'll get to a dummy tomorrow training the correct rotation
question : On the pins where can I find the optimal talents? I can't seem to find it there
pallid quiver
That post right there, the top general purpose M+ build
My only change to that is to move Thunderlord to Battering Ram
It ends up being more damage and can be not that much weaker defensively
pallid quiver
Yeah, no worries, As long as you're looking for help, you can get it
astral karma
I'll look it up what u said and if I have more questions I'll get back here. Again thanks 🙂
mortal mountain
anyone has any idea how the pseudo cheat-death works? it sometimes just procs from a simple melee attack when im at full life kinda 
slim dove
its bugged, dont use it.
mortal mountain
thought so kinda like it on fortified weeks though
pallid quiver
It works on damage pre-mitigation
so if something would kill you while naked in the forests, prancing about and establishing dominance among the young owlbear populations of the eastern kingdoms,
it'll proc
mortal mountain
that was my initial thought as well but as it turns out it doesnt really work like that
since it sometimes procs on first breath of the storm drake of HoV in the first pull and sometimes it doesnt
pallid quiver
I can only tell you how I've heard it works from Nome and crew
that being said i haven't heard anyone talk about it in-depth in five years
damn you oven going off
silk sandal
Has anyone looked at the 10.0.7 ring yet?
undone verge
Never again I want to bang my head against a wall until I paint it red after reclearing dathea
slim dove
Has anyone looked at the 10.0.7 ring yet?
it's meh. loss of secondaries isn't worth the gem effects rn
untold vessel
Is heavy repercussion better than into the fray ?
cinder storm
yes
untold vessel
How is that so Losing the haste %
pallid quiver
It gives you extra rage
that you put back into ST damage and AOE damage, while making SB uptime not tied to your haste
That being said, if you have like 40% haste from rating, so no buffs or talents, ITF ends up better in pretty much all circumstances
Since ITF is just a flat extra bit or percent that doesn't care about diminishing returns
untold vessel
So impenetrable wall is Better than defenders aegis? If ur saying about providing more rage
pallid quiver
That one entirely yes, because not only more rage, it just gives you more Shield Wall coverage
There's not any real usage case for Defender's Aegis in any dungeon at the moment unless you're not good at the class; the only remote possibility is Temple, but Imp Wall is generally necessary in it for higher keys to get more walls out
untold vessel
But on high key tyrannical week impenetrable wall might not get u back the 2nd sheild wall u need for boss ability
pallid quiver
With Imp Wall, Shield Wall has roughly a 1 min CD when playing well
Meanwhile, the only reason to take Defender's is if you need two Shield Walls back to back
Otherwise, you just straight literally get less Shield Wall
once you blow both shield walls, you are stuck on the CD for just one charge minus the CD reduction Imp Wall gives
you can't reduce the CD of both charges at once or anything; it's just a charge
pallid quiver
A decent way of looking at it is if you manage to press 6 Shield Slams within like a minute and a half, you're getting more benefit from Imp Wall overall
30% of your Max HP, but it's not something you care to keep in mind
IP is just used as an oGCD rage dump, so you'll overcap the absorb from time to time
untold vessel
For example ruby life pool +25 tyrant week 2nd
2nd boss u reackon imp wall is sufficient ?
pallid quiver
More than sufficient, it's required
The tankbusters come too often and can't just be blasted through on higher keys, so you need more Shield Walls through the course of the fight
When playing right, Shield Wall likely should be up for every other searing
wheat cobalt
Leveling a Warrior. I'm in mid 20s right now.
I was reading that I should have like full uptime on Shield Block
but I don't really understand how because charges don't come back fast enough
pallid quiver
There's more than a few talents at the end of the tree that make worlds of difference
tropic tangle
only relevant at max level
pallid quiver
You won't really see high uptime until at least like, I think it's level 45-ish? That you can get Enduring Defenses and Heavy Repercussions
Those two will dramatically help your block uptime
sudden palm
Sometimes I wonder if they tuned warrior’s damage intake based on having 100% SB uptime cuz if there is even one hit going thru without block you’re done for lol
feral basin
i have a 405 shield and 389 waist both crafted , which should i recraft to 418 first?
feral basin
ok ty
still crater
Guys, just broke a 16AA specifically because of crawth. Literally taking like 3-500k from him on every savage peck and his autos make it almost impossible to keep ip up. Blowing through sw/ds/rc/ls as best I can but still getting deleted. Not even really using revenge unless it's free so I can have more ip, but it's making me either run out of rage or after I get through every cd I'm empty for the last hit and get deleted. How do yall get through this?
warm plinth
The defensives need to be up for the first hit because it's a huge hit, about 5 ticks of the bleed's worth of damage. In the end, if you're using defensives on each bleed as best you can, then the rest is up to the healer. The only damage on that fight is the screech, which is every 23 seconds, and the peck which is basically up the entire fight (there's like 6-7 seconds from the end of one bleed to the start of the next). So the healer needs to be pumping you, especially on higher keys.
Also should mention that if you're not already, you should be using Defensive Stance on that fight
sullen gust
Guys, just broke a 16AA specifically because of crawth. Literally taking like 3-...
It might be a small thing too, but try to make sure you keep up the extra 5% reduction on the tier set. Like don't avoid revenge completely worrying about dumping everything into IP
Plus it means you can keep up the IP easier with your own damage
still crater
Most defnitely am. Honestly was in perma dstance for the whole thing. The other bosses weren't so bad, but I was wary going into this one. Last I tanked was a 15 and it was brutal. I did forget about the set bonus, something I'll keep in mind for the future. The screeches weren't doing much to me at all, but I'm looking at total damage 9mil from the pecks, vs 1.5 on the screech. Think details broke and is merging all three wipes, but ijt's still basically 1mil in damage after reduction per minute
pallid quiver
Guys, just broke a 16AA specifically because of crawth. Literally taking like 3-...
Also, the "not using revenge" part is actually hurting you
IP is not something that's going to save your life and is more rage negative than Revenge because it doesn't reset SS, costing you rage to spend on survival
Consuming rage in general is survival
I mentioned this before to someone else, and it still stands
Also, don't worry about keeping tier set up. It'll be up when playing properly, and it may technically be down for some small bits of time
It's not an amount that will save you, either
still crater
More specifically, the last pull I tried not using revenge. The first two I just used normal rotation, ss/tc for rage, spend on revenge, Ip extra rage during ravager/av. At the end of all the defensives I ended up having too long before I could use anything to generate more rage. Got off an ss, hit the new sb charge, and then had nothing else to spend. Bad rng also didn't give me another ss to spend anything on. I'd always be dead just before ravager came back off cd, maybe 12-20 seconds. I can stick to rotation, but then the only other thing I can think is that I need a higher ilvl. Course, looking back at logs, I am finding that I healed myself far more than the healer healed me.
amber siren
It sounds like you're rage starving yourself tbh
cinder storm
Running barbaric training eh?
You took more damage on crawth than I did on a 22 yesterday between all those pulls
warm plinth
👀
pallid quiver
More specifically, the last pull I tried not using revenge. The first two I just...
Ilvl's pretty much never the answer, especially for a 15
It sounds like you're using Barbaric Training, yeah, which is the start of most of your problems if so
You should never have empty GCDs
Also, you IP extra rage away way more often than just during CD time frame
still crater
It sounds like you're using Barbaric Training, yeah, which is the start of most ...
I am using barbaric training. Didn't realize that was a bad thing. I'll paste build in a sec. Rage starving is probably a lot more of the answer, I'm pretty good about keeping from overcapping, whether I spend on revenge or Ip (which I use just cuz it's off gcd
cinder storm
Delete that build and copy the one numerator added on the pins that says "best build for m+"
You'll be fine until 20s without changing anything except spellblock in some dungeons
still crater
Delete that build and copy the one numerator added on the pins that says "best b...
So similar to what I had, which I think I just pulled from wowhead. Only changes are thunderlord > battering ram and barbaric training > titanic throw. Is battering ram and lower cost revenge really all it takes?
warm plinth
You don't need to take titanic throw either. Bounding Stride is better imo. More quality of life.
Barbaric Training is just a shit talent. It makes revenge cost 50% more for 25% more damage
It's really bad for rage economy
cinder storm
Shield charge is more dps plus free sb, barbaric training drains you from rage, and warrior works as a feedback loop, the more rage you have the more damage and survival you have
warm plinth
Even Nome (the guy who made the build) takes bounding most of the time
pallid quiver
Barbaric Training drastically reduces the amount of revenges you can put out. It's strong in situations where we're absolutely drowning in rage, which is not right now
Battering Ram is also both a lot of damage and rage due to the extra autos
still crater
Fair enough. And yeah, I definitely prefer bounding.
cinder storm
Also, for crawth, third boss jade and ruby is good to have two walls talent
warm plinth
It's really not good to have the two walls talent.
There are no situations in the current patch's dungeons where it's worth taking that
pallid quiver
Imp Wall is flat better in all situations on two of those; the Jade boss is the only potential argument, but even that is still outshone by Imp Wall overall
You need a lot of SW uptime on Birb and Searing Blows, so the lowered SW CD makes a difference
cinder storm
Feels nice and sad to parry those with SW
warm plinth
The only time you would possibly need defender's aegis is if you needed two shield walls in a very short time from one another and then not again for a while. Imp Wall is just better, and gives you more walls overall
cinder storm
Or last pack tsj, you can sit there for a really long time with spellblock and two sw
warm plinth
You can do that without double wall too. It's just not worth it. Shield Wall only has a 1 minute CD with imp wall
warm plinth
They aren't even in the same tree though. YOu're not picking between them.
still crater
I get the argument for tsj, though as long as dps is good I don't really have issues with just one wall, as demo shout/cc breaks are enough after sw to deal with everything there and still have sw back for the boss. If I blew both walls in that situation, I'd be without my biggest safety if anything went wrong on the boss.
warm plinth
Anyway, the important point is that you should notice a big difference without barbaric training
pallid quiver
it's so little tank damage on last boss that i forget about defensives on lower keys because i'm just mad chilling
and then the party dies and i'm suddenly having a bad time
still crater
^it's when healer dies and everyone has that stupid dot that I start stressing. But again, not a common issue.
Thanks for the advice guys, definitely scrapping barbaric training. I'll test it out tomorrow though. Been tanking all day and I think I need a break
tidal bronze
hi guys, taking a look at different tanking video for HoV and even in tyrannical i see them start hyrjal on thunder, why not start on light and maybe skipe a thunder ?
warm plinth
Can you provide an example? A lot of folks are doing the spell swap strat, so she does sanctify on thunder side and storm on holy side
tidal bronze
amber siren
Lust for the first storm usually
tidal bronze
pallid quiver
Skips to Hyrja fight
Interesting strategy of movement for Sanctify there
tidal bronze
Lust for the first storm usually
oh right
pallid quiver
Run to edge of room to make sure you get hit by the furthest possible orb, then almost leap into another
strong forum
It's 2month old and generally the safer play cuz you have all CDs to start on lightning
Not everybody is doing the desync
pallid quiver
I'm gonna come out and say this specific fellow wasn't thinking about it too hard
strong forum
Hardly anyone on lowkeys is
warm plinth
Yeah looks pretty normal. You don't really have to do the swap on a 20 tyrannical
You just do storm side first to have lust and CDs up for the first one
My favorite part of this video is his 0 effort to get damage in during sanctify 😂
and running way the fuck around the boss straight into a sanctify orb
pallid quiver
Yeah, that's what I was sayin'
Interesting strategy there
can't say i ever thought of that one
still crater
Well, since this has come up, how about another question: Why not stay for a second sanctify?
warm plinth
Because the holy buff also affects expel light, the circle on people
pallid quiver
^^^
still crater
ofuck
warm plinth
So yeah staying on that side basically results in people getting 1-tapped by the circle
tame jasper
good desync video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHuYmI1ExmA&ab_channel=Naowh
tidal bronze
good desync video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHuYmI1ExmA&ab_channel=Naowh
nice ty
warm plinth
It's kinda funny because that "strategy" is literally what happens anyway when you fuck up the desync
The only way you actually can fuck up the desync is if she casts storm first, which means you went HELLA early to the other side
tame jasper
well when you really fuck it up you die in and double enpowered first storm 😄
still crater
Never saw the inversion thing until now. That's fuckin dope
warm plinth
Should be noted that it's really not necessary to do the desync on a +20. The storm is (obviously, from these videos) still healable at that level
They do it on giga high keys because you literally can't survive the storm when it's doing 100% more damage
still crater
Healers in my 13-15s are garbo then I guess, cuz someone is almost guaranteed to die on the second storm
pallid quiver
Little bit of column A, little bit of "DPS don't know what a defensive is, that's a tank button"
still crater
fair point
jagged pier
I am using barbaric training. Didn't realize that was a bad thing. I'll paste bu...
i dont know if anyone has mentioned this but this doesnt work correctly
cba reading the convo
but details doesnt track that properly
u need logs
warm plinth
Oh is that supposed to be a rage waste tracker?
jagged pier
yes
warm plinth
wdym Jakey I'm obviously perfect, no need to dig deeper
warm plinth
damn I'm not perfect after all
ocean prairie
Guys what phials are you all using in m+ around the 20-22 mark? For damage mainly
ocean prairie
Ok so the one of ice "frozem something" isn't worth it anywhere? Thanks wowhead guide
jagged pier
u can just sim
shell mortar
Ehh, I've tested storm, ice phial and vers phial pretty extensively at this point. I'd say just go vers phial
They're all super close on overall but Vers phial gives a lil bit of DR
Unless you're hitting vers 1st dr breakpoint
median tulip
I like the elements one
warm plinth
You can't sim eye in the storm anyway. It's not even an option in raidbots. Maybe with a custom addition but I don't think it's even set up in the module to be simmed properly
tidal ocean
Thoughts on dropping sidearm for bitter immunity?
amber siren
depends on what else you're using
you should have other things to drop before sidearm
jagged pier
Why would u want bitter immunity?
tidal ocean
Mainly tree boss, there are a couple other cleansables I can't remember
tidal ocean
DRUID CAN 😮
jagged pier
Or be dwarf
tidal ocean
Maybe if we get fully cross faction guilds, unfortunately my community is all horde 😦
strong forum
10.1 has cross faction guilds
pastel atlas
can a dps shaman do it? I thought poison cleanse totem removed 1 stack
strong forum
they fixed cleanse totem
jagged pier
Communities as well are already cross faction its just guilds that arent but thats going away as nome said
tidal ocean
Maybe I'll switch up next season, we'll see how many dungeons could use the dispel, bracken forsure though eh
sick sentinel
see
that involves a faction transfer and faction change purchase
i already sent my toons through that once, no way in fuck its happening again, ceretainly not when i lose all my quest progress that isn't current faction specfic
like say i go to do lore master achievement, and then, i swap, i lose everything
in BFA i lost all my progress on alliance going to horde
and i will never ever send my main character again due to that
tidal bronze
Someone has a good route for AA this who does not require a shroud or something
quiet monolith
Straight to vex, then to knock back burst mob
Skip the roaming dragon frontal pack outside fex
Vex
After platform tornado asshole clear 1 pack at tree
And then go to bird
Just balance around your lust timer
We like lust on vex and bird
restive crown
for crawth and blazehoof, we shield wall after the cast itself?
reef holly
for crawth and blazehoof, we shield wall after the cast itself?
I do it right before it goes off
strong forum
For crawth you want to do it before the hit
On blaze hoof you SW depending on how many bleeds you get, but you use it on 3/4 stacks
restive crown
alright thanks!
reef holly
What’s everyone strat for last boss in RLP? It’s always a shitshow when they guy hops on the dragon. I usually pull the guy and tank him between the two pillars, and then when he hops on the dragon, i am literally running around with my head cut off, dropping flames, leaping over flame puddles etc. depleted an 18 because evoked healer said everyone was too spread out during last phase.
deep spruce
start between pillars, so that dragon gets baited there
then in p2, stand still
dodge fire
and breath
get the WA that tells u where the wind is gonna blow fire too
slim dove
^ knowing where wind will blow makes fight easier.
verbal wren
Is there a predictable time for when Sadana Bloodfury casts deathspike? I know it can reflect, but it's instant cast and there's no timer for it, so wasn't sure if there was a way to reliably catch them.
jagged pier
shes gets stacks
arctic crag
is there a sim for tanks? like the one for healers https://questionablyepic.com/live/?
jagged pier
no because your tankiness comes from play
u have enough stats to live by simming dps
so u should just optimise for damage
arctic crag
ooh i see. so it's just dps then trinkets are situational
jagged pier
yer
uneven mason
ooh i see. so it's just dps then trinkets are situational
Prot is set up that our optimal DPS output will result in optimal defensive play in most situations.
hardy fractal
is brutal vitality still much better than fueled by violence (deep wounds heals talent)
uneven mason
You won't notice it one way or the other
But yeah it's still better
Just because IP stacks over your HP at 100% and fbv heals for nothing if you're full
hardy fractal
thats a great point actually i did not consider that
shell mortar
@strong forum @jagged pier What's the deal with Sidearm in AV?
Not working or?
See a lot of people not running it
sick sentinel
i like that blaze hoof has haste, but i don't like the actual effect itself
im stupid, as we all have seen, and often it just goes off fizzles basically with monster or boss dead, does no dmg
or it hits like, 2 guys , when if i used it later, i could have hit 4 - 6 guys
sick sentinel
you CAN get good dps out of it if u use it in big pulls
cloud umbra
but holding it is bad as well
sick sentinel
but it mean its still only just competitive in those scenarios
cloud umbra
its like, do i equip this trinket that'll be 2% of my dps with no strength on it
graceful thunder
can you spell reflect to block the void slash in SBG first mobs?
spreadsheet says you cant but guildie reckons you can
slim dove
you cant reflect it.
sick sentinel
maybe hes thinking about spell blocking it
slim dove
the magic DR works, thats all.
strong forum
Why are suddenly so many people thinking about class tree of all things
graceful thunder
yeah thats what spreadsheet said. but he said other spreadsheets have lied lol
sick sentinel
he probably wants you to spell block it is what he really meant to say is what that sounds like
graceful thunder
yeha
graceful thunder
i know there are cases you can use spell reflect to block stuff
slim dove
you can spell block it.
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> <@179993058186625025> What's the deal with Sidearm in AV?
That's like the 1 thing you kinda never need to change
slim dove
you can deflect a few things, void slash isn't one of them.
graceful thunder
awesome thanks for the confimation
strong forum
Idk what's the deal with people doing weird shit with that tree
Sidearm is free dps, makes no sense not to pick unless you specifically need that shorter kick CD
tidal ocean
You can use spell reflect to block it as well, arguing the semantics doesn't change the fact that you should use spell reflect before and after spell block
sick sentinel
the only weird thing i do there is i don't normally take int shout because extremely repeated bad experiences with it
and i take leaper
thats it
strong forum
Yeah intimidating shout can be a bit much, and it's limited to 5 targets
graceful thunder
wait... im getting two different opinions now
sick sentinel
its good when its good, but it can be a roll a 1 or it can roll a 100
graceful thunder
can i use spell reflect to block the damage
tidal ocean
Yes
sick sentinel
its a pure gamble spell
graceful thunder
not reflect it back... i suppose deflect is the correct work
strong forum
On what specifically
tidal ocean
It just won't reflect damage
sick sentinel
🙏
slim dove
strong forum
Yes, for the 20% magic reduction...
sick sentinel
only thing u can do about void slap
strong forum
You can't deflect it
sick sentinel
cuz its slaps u
strong forum
Yes, you can't
graceful thunder
shield block completely blocks ?
sick sentinel
thats a joke i know its slash
strong forum
Bro
Void slash is a magical attack, that applies on successful hit. You can parry it
Spellblock works against it, magic dmg reduction works against it
Normal block does nothing against void slash specifically
graceful thunder
sorry i did mean to say spell block
sick sentinel
if you could use spell block to completely negate magic damage, it would be absurdly over powered
strong forum
if you could use spell block to completely negate magic damage, it would be absu...
If you critblock a spell, you reduce the dmg by 100% if u have a high ilvl shield
graceful thunder
im a dps main so to be fair im no 100% how block actually works
strong forum
Spells aren't subject to the armor formula
strong forum
Therefor the 85% mitigation cap doesn't exist for it
graceful thunder
so for example i now have 40% block atm. so i take 40% less damage WHEN i block. and when i use spell block it also does the same thing for spells?
lofty widget
im a dps main so to be fair im no 100% how block actually works
blocking an attack just reduces the hit by a % based on your shield ilvl (and you can see the % it reduces by hovering the "block" stat in your char panel)
strong forum
so for example i now have 40% block atm. so i take 40% less damage WHEN i block....
not going too deep into semantics, yes
chimmi explained what block is
sick sentinel
yeah, the attack has to be directly aimed at you and just you and not an aoe, so a fire ball, frost shard is best example of what can be reflected, but is not limited to.
sick sentinel
curses and all kinds of shit can be reflected
strong forum
on some aoe effects spell block works if you face the caster
sick sentinel
i remember cursing the WCM basement witch for -20 dmg intake
graceful thunder
ok so to reiterate the question now i have some form of better understanding. Spell block works to reduce the damage of voidslash , but the spell reflect part of spell reflect doesnt do anything in relation to void slash
only the DR that comes with it
sick sentinel
one weird thing it used to work against, i don't know any more cuz i don't get hit it any more is the orbs on hyrja right
lofty widget
ok so to reiterate the question now i have some form of better understanding. Sp...
yep
oak echo
ok so to reiterate the question now i have some form of better understanding. Sp...
correct
graceful thunder
awesome. thanks. sorry i made that so much more confusing than it neeeded to be. especially when i used the wrong word with shield block haha
topaz tinsel
Quick question, if I'm at 100/115 rage, I have maxed out ignore pain cap ready to use Thunderclap, SL and revenge, what should I prioritize? Just dump rage into the empty ignore pains or try to dump it into revenges before using rage generators?
lofty widget
IP
oak echo
spend on IP before you get to cap regardless of how big your current IP is
lofty widget
you dont care about the size of your IP
oak echo
and it's off gcd so it doesn't compete with any of those other buttons anyways
strong forum
treat IP solely as rage dump
sick sentinel
shield block of course
because is survival and dps thing and rage dump spend, thats the wrong word dump
topaz tinsel
sick sentinel
you dont "dump" rage into SB
tropic gorge
lol
blazing condor
arbiter soulbind pog
sweet summit
spoilers???
sick sentinel
still not looking forwards to undersuck
prepare for a ton of those keys to go horribly wrong before 2nd boss though, espcially pull 1, and 2
and then the pull with the mask, and then bit where team must avoid a patrol just after first boss
shell mortar
That's like the 1 thing you kinda never need to change
Yeah, I was thinking about it, I have no idea why they're taking off sidearm. Was checking logs, seemed to be working fine. Thought maybe it can ninja pull flying drakes or smth. Also no. I have no idea
blazing condor
entire dungeon is ass
2nd boss is part of the dungeon
2nd boss is ass
its simple deduction, watson
sick sentinel
theres not a single easy pull i can think of in there if someone doesn't mechanics
all of the trash and bosses is gross
tame jasper
I'm not a big fan of NO too, but that's more because of the flying parts and that the areas feel unconnected. and a bit that the trash around temptest is pain in pugs cuase of interrupt. And I still don't know how I twochested it with a pug on 22 yesterday 😮
got some score this week, but not as much as I hoped for cause all TJS and HOV got depletes 😦
vale ravine
so I got an extra spark should I make the engineer bracers or the vers bracers
sick sentinel
depends if u need embellishment or not
tame jasper
engineer gives you high haste and a CR - esp the last is why I crafted them
tame jasper
i terms of stats, sure
reef holly
entire dungeon is ass
I’m a huge fan- my easiest key up there next to SMBG
tame jasper
its the same discussion as always about CR
it can be valueless
and it can save your key
sick sentinel
you guys are drunk if you think underrot is easy imo lol
vale ravine
I am excited on underrot
sick sentinel
i can tell you, in my old guild, that we renamed it to undersuck, yeah, we deleted those keystones
and there was about like, 5 for sure, probably 10 total, we were all in agreement that dungeon wasn't fun, TD worst of course
i was the guy that liked TD
clear kestrel
How good is diurna ring 424 for us?
The shield is pretty nice? And I have the belt to proc it
It’s hard to sim cos it’s not just dps obvs
I want the shield it’s like 3k hps but the dps think they should get it for the mastery
jagged pier
Personally for me the only thing good about it, is its ilvl
Highest ring in the game
mighty valley
the shield part is honestly more effective on dps just for rot dmg
jagged pier
But i still wouldnt replace cos ring or eggnog ring dor it
Like dps because of mastery get more calue out of it than us
clear kestrel
The ilvl is nice but I have 421 eranog and 421 cos
warm plinth
I thought diurna ring was 431
mighty valley
make some dps's day
jagged pier
I thought diurna ring was 431
It is
serene yew
hey guys I'm starting a prot warrior to run m+ with some friends. I'm deciding between dwarf and dark iron, they both have the poison/bleed/etc removal so is there any real difference other than appearance?
warm plinth
Ok just making sure I'm not crazy, since he said 424
warm plinth
Just when I thought it was over, one reared its ugly head 😦
jagged pier
hey guys I'm starting a prot warrior to run m+ with some friends. I'm deciding b...
Dwarf is more defesnive as it gives dr
warm plinth
No the frog skip is still shit
jagged pier
Fireblood gices strength choose what u want
serene yew
the damage reduction from stone form?
jagged pier
Its 10% no?
serene yew
so basically do a little bit more damage vs damage reduction right?
jagged pier
Yes
serene yew
hm okay
serene yew
I want to make things as easy as possible for my group
jagged pier
Dwarf tends to be better cause u can hold it for things were as did u kinda want to us it as much as possible to get the strength
serene yew
so I'm thinking dwarf would help healers right?
yeah thats true
I guess dwarf seems the better choice
thanks
clear kestrel
Ah ok thanks for your help guys
clear kestrel
Ok just making sure I'm not crazy, since he said 424
Yeah my bad not used to seeing 431 loot yet haha
warm plinth
I'm gonna make my warrior a dorf too
sick sentinel
Dwarf heritage is better than DID heritage imo
man, so many hot takes today, actually they are both good though
some of the heritage ones leave something to be desired
twin bramble
Hi there! Newb here. Which secondary stats should I put on spark gear?
sick sentinel
gnomes goblins imo
warm plinth
Hi there! Newb here. Which secondary stats should I put on spark gear?
Haste crit or haste vers
twin bramble
Haste crit or haste vers
Thanks!
twin bramble
Haste crit or haste vers
Can I go straight haste/vers on all 5 pieces as a newb tank and not regret ignoring crit? ><
warm plinth
I prefer crit tbh, especially if you do keys as it's our strongest defensive stat in keys
sly widget
Hi I posted something on general ( I’ve might of put it in the wrong channel) can players give me feed back cheers Horse 😄
warm plinth
we have a general channel?
sly widget
General discussion further down the list
slim dove
yeah avoid it.
serene yew
whats a good weakaura suite for prot?
warm plinth
The usual ones. Luxthor, Afenar
I prefer Afenar as it's easier to configure; he has everything nice and separated
sick sentinel
still not good at second boss
serene yew
does afenar update his often?
i used it for my other classe but noticed its never updated
warm plinth
I mean he updates it when it's needed. 🤷
All of his WAs are updated for Dragonflight as far as I know
I use them on most of my toons
serene yew
its definitely not up to date for some classes
like my lock
it was missing the most important buff tracker on destro lol
thats why im kind of hesitant to use afenar again for prot
high basalt
Hey guys what’s the best trinkets to use for m+ please I don’t raid so can’t get any from raid so can’t get all totem? Ty guys
warm plinth
Whetstone, and then either hoof or idol are good options
high basalt
2 on use ones mate?
jagged pier
Unfortunatly yes
high basalt
Ok Ty mate
slim dove
hunger of the pack is fine too.
shell mortar
Too add to dwarf vs DID, Dwarf is more overall damage as well
Coz 1% crit dam
or however much it was
2%
wraith niche
whats a good weakaura suite for prot?
I like Hijack
but its harder to customize (imo) because it uses dynamic groups and i havent learned to handle that yet
serene yew
okay i'll check it out
wraith niche
No the frog skip is still shit
Why you hating on frog skip? Legit question, AV is one of the few 20s i havent timed yet
warm plinth
Because you're skipping literally the freest trash of any dungeon this expansion when you could be skipping ring trash instead
wraith niche
Its easier to kill sure, but its still a timesave no?
warm plinth
Over not doing a skip at all, sure. But not over ring skip
wraith niche
Ill have to check it out
I honestly tried not using barbaric training because of your name so figured now that youre hating on something new its worth asking
warm plinth
Lol. I'm reaching people!
slim dove
cinder storm
Last boss is free now, doing frogs before or after last boss works either way
You can pull almost two rooms of frogs and lust there for last lust
sonic saddle
how much is a socket worth in dragonflight for tanks ilvl wise
sick sentinel
so like are you guys struggling to stay alive on 3rd boss tjs? 22s and above
cinder storm
Not really no, you still have to do your rotation and hope the healer can top you off
lime urchin
Whetstone, and then either hoof or idol are good options
My 421 puzzle box sims higher than my 415 hoof 🥸
But I kinda don’t wanna play puzzle box!
warm plinth
But I kinda don’t wanna play puzzle box!
Don't blame you
I'm stuck with seed and dge right now 🙃 trinkets don't exist
sick sentinel
on this exact frame, the game decides i have a debuff, which also shows im in the air mid leap, and ground effects still hit me. doesn't count as a levitate or similiar
warm plinth
A very large number of ground effects are not avoidable via z axis
sick sentinel
rogue got mad at me on the first wipe final boss
cunning knot
cinder storm
on this exact frame, the game decides i have a debuff, which also shows im in th...
Only way to imprint that in your brain is by trying it and failing miserably
warm plinth
Heroic leap charging?
sick sentinel
A very large number of ground effects are not avoidable via z axis
perhaps it is like doom where monsters (or in this case many types fire circles) are "infinitely tall" and check for collision at a high Z axis, most notable example is if you attempt to run over an elevator with monsters below it you cant run over them
warm plinth
Probably. Not all are like that but a lot are. Never safe to assume you can leap over a mechanic in general
sick sentinel
i don't have a PHD in doom, but i graduated highschool of doom
simple rocket jumps in quake is best i can do
pulsar trellis
I was doing a 18 temple of the jade sepent and kept dieing to the 3rd boss
can someone tell me how live
verbal wren
Pin
lime urchin
Pay taxes, go to the gym frequently, be nice to other people, drink 2L of water a day, try to stay out of debt
sick sentinel
Any thought on focused vigor vs battering ram for high m+ content?
lime urchin
What keys are you doing?
I don't fully understand why you are choosing between battering ram and focussed vigor
jagged pier
BSV will more than likely not even be up for the boss and have procced on the pack before hand
Even then
lime urchin
I don't think you should play BSV
sick sentinel
true
but it just procs from 100% on some abilities regardless
like azure vault arcane cleave 2nd boss
or other stuff
oak heart
any tips for last pack in jade serpent?
oak heart
so I should run spell block?
limpid anchor
They should be lined up if you start with a stun
oak heart
sr only reflects 1 of the claws
limpid anchor
No
oak heart
other 2 just insta gib me
limpid anchor
It reflect every cast in the same frame
That’s why you line them up with shock wave
jagged pier
What tanks are the best for brood boss tank?
bdk monk VDH paladin
probably druid as well as they can max armor
limpid anchor
So I should avoid it as pwar?
sick sentinel
these are all my crafted gears
which should go to ilvl 415/418
i have the second greater infusion
oak heart
you can use raidbots to find out which one
hardy snow
if you have eranog/diurna ring, then go with frostfire belt, as it is the item that you wont replace if you get something higher ilvl from vault
sick sentinel
my current embellishments are spikes on shield and lariat
echo egret
Would a 418 alchemist stone compete with 402 decoration of flame and 408 all-totem ?
serene yew
do we ever use whirlwind ?
oak heart
no
serene yew
and how often do we stance dance in m+?
grizzled kite
very rarely
serene yew
so dont ever use wihrlwind and always stay in defensive stance?
grizzled kite
we're so chuddy we can sit in battle stance for almost all the things
grizzled kite
treat defensive stance more like a cooldown you can use to mitigate
grizzled kite
are you playing m+ or raiding?
serene yew
m+
grizzled kite
battle stance
you want to be as offensive as possible and the dmg reduction is really hampering
serene yew
what about heavy aoe damage like hyrja's lightning in hov?
serene yew
ok
grizzled kite
you reduce magical damage by 20% when you use SR for like 4 seconds
rain light
not sure if im timing a 20 jade lol
limpid anchor
I'm just trying to unbind the useless skills/spells
Def stance is not useless
You will definitely use it in higher keys
idle inlet
not sure if im timing a 20 jade lol
Keep at it, you could be suprised.
I thought HoV and TJS/AZ would be hard..
But both HoV and TJS were timed first try
rain light
its the last one i have
healers trying to heal me on the 3rd boss challenge (impossible)
idle inlet
Go into defensive stance for that phase, use BL
And plan your CDs, dont overuse them
you can run double shield wall on that dungeon aswell, if you want two for that boss
rain light
yeah i do that
idle inlet
dont forget to pot
rain light
yeh
idle inlet
you could also make sure you invite a warlock for the run, if you really want more control about your own healing (healthstone)
idle inlet
Other than that, there cant really be more problems.
Even if you die there should be a CR for you, so with that many tools
im Pugging aswell, but most healers arent THAT bad on that boss
serene yew
does shield charge and charge have the same cd?
oak heart
impending victory 1st one, potion 2nd one, impending victory 3rd one
oak heart
does shield charge and charge have the same cd?
no
undone verge
anyone here tanked mythic brood boss b4?
signal plover
Is it worth getting the Onyx Annulet? No stats doesn't seem worth it.
signal plover
Yeah that was my first impression
uncut thunder
Looking for some advise on what to craft / upgrade to 418. I have the Bracers currently but just got those as i had 398s and wanted flavor pack - open to changes and advise - https://raider.io/characters/us/hyjal/Fedaaykin
grizzled kite
do you have access to Icon trinket? Deco isn't that good, and I'd make the same case for Totem trinket as well tho not 100% on that
better boots drop in HoV for you as well
uncut thunder
Once dro[[ed two times in raid and did not go my way
Yeah never seen the boots drop
grizzled kite
are you running m+ mostly?
uncut thunder
No we raid as well. Slow going but we hop to have Raz this week
grizzled kite
kk
uncut thunder
We are 2/8M 7/8H
grizzled kite
there's a better weapon for you as well crafted and/or drop from AA
less vers on the crafted one but more haste
uncut thunder
there's a better weapon for you as well crafted and/or drop from AA
I have the wep from AA trying to get to 2400 (3 away) to get it to 415
grizzled kite
I mean you can also craft the boots
gets you the stats you'd like
crit/haste/vers whatever
or look for kurogg boots
uncut thunder
crit/haste/vers whatever
Yeah I was thinking of doing that and putting on the injector thing for pots. And swapping that belt out for raids.
clever heart
hey prot gods. Do we know yet if the new ring Oynx Amulet thing will be good for us?
ive heard some classes actually wont use it because the gems are sub par + the lack of secondary stats.
clever heart
lol well that was easy.
so what item lvlish ring is better than it ? like do we just need any ring over 415 is better ?
slim dove
spriest sims have 398 rings beating it.
clever heart
OMG ! lol freak i didnt realize it was that bad !
uncut thunder
People are suspecting they are buffing it
Or so the Titanforge podcast seems to think so
clever heart
kk ty ❤️
sick sentinel
would you guys advise removing the armor spikes i have on shield to get lariat + something else?
and then it will stay at 418
uncut thunder
and then it will stay at 418
Remove it and craft 418 Belt if you can and do M+
sick sentinel
is there some kind of new item that does the same thing as eranog ring
like i know there is a fire dmg weapon
vocal nimbus
dyurna's mm p2 what should i be mitigating about the tank buster?
uncut thunder
do you have access to Icon trinket? Deco isn't that good, and I'd make the same ...
I like Deco for the added mitigation and DPS but im with you its not top tier
Totem appears to be decent for M+ but still not great
Just what I has dropped for me
I think i could switch it out with 415 Blazebinder's Hoof for just a raw DPS gain
slim dove
totem is bis for m+
grizzled kite
sick sentinel
im looking at the gems for the rings and some of them sound really juicy for me
Gleaming Iron Stone - Standing still for 3 seconds in combat steels yourself, absorbing 16,253 damage and increasing auto-attack damage by 305 for 25 sec.
slim dove
losing 600 haste/crit is negative juice.
sick sentinel
IP is absorbing damge right
grizzled kite
its halving damage taken yes
sick sentinel
i can see 3 fire gems i'd use, i don't think the chaos one would be worth it
grizzled kite
up to 50k
warm plinth
im looking at the gems for the rings and some of them sound really juicy for me
The new ring unfortunately sucks for 37 of 38 specs, and is only good in ST for the 38th spec.
uncut thunder
Seems like they need to buff it a bit to be in anyway helpful or is it really only gonna be good at a higher ilvl?
sick sentinel
i keep hearing mixed things about its supposed to be used at max ilvl and then its not
or im not sure
oak heart
anyone else soak tornadoes? got a lot of praise from pug melee 😛
grizzled kite
there's tornadoes?
oak heart
storming
deep spruce
anyone else soak tornadoes? got a lot of praise from pug melee 😛
Yeah ofc
grizzled kite
havent noticed tornadoes in my keys!
oak heart
have you noticed flying melee
sick sentinel
those tornadoes are a pain in my ass when leap or charge
they don't hurt, they just are very annoying
toxic pewter
I keep reading apparently the new ring won’t be that good after all?
warm plinth
Nope it's shit
toxic pewter
Damn
sick sentinel
no idea,
toxic pewter
Was actually excited to play around with it
warm plinth
They nerfed all the effects by like 35% a bit ago and even if they reverted that, it would barely be worth using on more specs. Even the spec that likes it for ST (outlaw), it gets to be awful really fast with more targets.
sick sentinel
i swear wow needs a "city" and "world boss" setting for graphics
or raid graphics covers those areas
toxic pewter
They nerfed all the effects by like 35% a bit ago and even if they reverted that...
Damn that’s disappointing.. is there any point to even do the vaults or whatever
warm plinth
They should never have made it a no secondaries ring. That was a big mistake.
I'm sure there's other cosmetic shit and the like, idk.
grizzled kite
its always worth to have Icon equipped even if its just tank + dps right?
warm plinth
Like one tank and one dps? Probably not
warm plinth
Well, the more people that have it, the more people that can get your proc
Like if it's you + 1 dps, then it's you getting his proc and him getting yours. If it's you and like 5 dps, then it's you getting dps proc and all 5 of them getting your proc, which means there's more benefit to you wearing it
uncut thunder
Should you change spec to improve icon drop in vault? I don’t think so busy just asking to ask
warm plinth
All specs can drop it so unless there's shit you already have that would enable you to switch loot spec anyway, I wouldn't change spec to get it.
jagged island
Go Fury, who needs tank trinkets anyways. You can loot 1h and dps trinkets
grizzled kite
fuckin' A
warm plinth
And 2h weapons, and not shields 🤷
It's not like there are no downsides to looting as dps
jagged island
Good dps trinket > Shield
round pendant
No
jagged island
You can just craft a shield, you cant craft a trinket
warm plinth
Yeah absolutely not the case. You can't craft a 421 shield
mighty valley
the 10.0.7 ring isn't really meant to be desirable for anyone who does upper end content
jagged island
Would still say a 421 whetstone before 421 compared to a crafted 418 shield
mighty valley
421 shield is going to open up higher key levels to you than a 421 whetstone
warm plinth
the 10.0.7 ring isn't really meant to be desirable for anyone who does upper end...
While that is true right now, it's not what Ion had said when it was announced. He said it was supposed to be our BiS until next raid
mighty valley
either ion was wrong or they changed their mind
either way, would be weird if our best ring for a couple of months came from world content
warm plinth
Sure, those are both possible, but we can only use information that we're told. The information originally said one thing, and now we're seeing another thing. It's natural to be confused.
mighty valley
Yeah it's fair, I'm just not that disappointed either way
warm plinth
I'm definitely not sad that I don't have to do the content now 😂
mighty valley
I'll check it out on an alt or whatever
undone verge
crisis averted we get to do adds on brood
jaunty orbit
Is battle Scared vet still bugged and if so what is the bug haha
undone verge
procs too early
warm plinth
It's either bugged or working as intended; we honestly don't know. But it procs based off pre-mitigation damage, so it basically procs on CD.
hallow phoenix
ie procs when not needed whatsoever?
warm plinth
Yeah, like it'll proc when you're 80% health and weren't even in danger
hallow phoenix
😦
undone verge
im guessing the issue is that because it can proc on damage that would bring you below 30% health it calculates that the dmg you took would have brought you below 30% health before you blocked it, Ip, SW, SR, etc
warm plinth
Yeah, basically
uneven mason
It predicts based on raw damage rather than post mitigation
warm plinth
Which is obviously the opposite of when you would want it to proc
We would want it to proc if we didn't have those things (whether on purpose or by accident)
undone verge
anyone here know the best timings for whetstone on M brood?
warm plinth
Even then, it would have to basically be something that would hit hard but not kill you without something up, because it's not dynamic (i.e. if you took a hit from 31% to 0, you're still dead. It won't mitigate that
twin bramble
Brand new warrior and returning playing. Went through all of the wowhead guide and there are a few abilities on the "abilities & talent" page not on the "rotation page. They are Devastate, Heroic Throw, Slam, Whirlwind, Battle Shout, Pummel, and Hamstring. I'm guessing you always use battle shout, but does this mean I can completely ignore the others and take them off keybinds?
grizzled kite
Heroic Throw is amazing for generating threat on pull and for grabbing shit that isn't aggroed
((generates a high amount of threat))
Pummel is a must to interrupt spell casting
Talented Devastator in the spec tree replaces Devastate to auto attacks so dont have to worry about that one
Slam/Whirlwind is not in our rotation, feel free to remove them
Same with hamstring
Shout is always on since it's a group/raid wide buff
twin bramble
Thanks so much!!
grizzled kite
The only shout you can keybind is rallying cry (talent in the class tree)
odd tree
I bind hamstring, but I use it in 1 key
grizzled kite
Good to use before AoE damage
odd tree
Nokud
grizzled kite
for what?
odd tree
The dude on the first boss
grizzled kite
Ah
warm plinth
Hamstring should absolutely be on your bar.
grizzled kite
warm plinth
Just because something is situational doesn't mean it shouldn't be on your bar.
grizzled kite
we're like 3 months into the expansion and I've never used hamstring
thats a dps job to slow shit
odd tree
I've used it as arms when the tank kites a dangerous add, but that's also rare
warm plinth
Well I don't know what to tell you there. I use hamstring fairly regularly. Adds on NO first boss, add on SBG first boss, spiteful shades as I run past, etc
twin bramble
I should keep ravager and shield charge as well?
grizzled kite
I should keep ravager and shield charge as well?
yes
warm plinth
The only abilities on that list that shouldn't be on your bar are slam and whirlwind. Devastate is irrelevant because we run devastator anyway
odd tree
Those are big boi cds
warm plinth
The other is Rend, which I don't see on there
Also do not use the wowhead talent build @twin bramble use the ones in the pins.
twin bramble
Thanks!
grizzled kite
Also do not use the wowhead talent build <@346963831718805505> use the ones in t...
why not? seems kind of dumb not to have the guide updated then
sick sentinel
what about, should i use my greater infusion on weapon?
modern brook
Llarold hasn't updated it
warm plinth
Because the wowhead guide uses barbaric training.
It hasn't been updated since launch
modern brook
He also generally heavily favors a waaaay more defensive playstyle than is generally needed
warm plinth
Which kind of makes it even weirder that he uses BT
cinder storm
and i could make a 415/418
What a out your shield?
modern brook
Yeah I disagree with a lot of his conclusions personally
sick sentinel
my shield is completed but it still has the embellishment on it
i can EASILY get it to recraft
i have to decide between using this greater infusion for 415/418 lariat, weapon, or belt,
cinder storm
Go weap then
grizzled kite
there's only one build that picks BT and it's raid AoE
twin bramble
Also do not use the wowhead talent build <@346963831718805505> use the ones in t...
These two safe for most of M+ and raid bosses?
cloud umbra
I’d say pug your own key. Once you get past the 22 gate. Lots of good candidates q for 23s
cinder storm
forever not 3k
Same, the struggle is real with disc duo, but pugs make things insufferable, hunter bm 418 bis gear, cos 23, I thought why not, will probably have the best ST here, not only he baited every copy of the last boss wrong but he was third
On dps
warm plinth
These two safe for most of M+ and raid bosses?
yeah that's the one
twin bramble
yeah that's the one
Thanks!
warm plinth
You can move titanic throw to bounding stride in the class tree but other than that, exactly that
warm plinth
2900, not on my bar
This is why you aren't higher score sadge
Oh someone said it already LMFAO
cloud umbra
I don’t have much leg to stand on since I’m only 3003. Haha but if I’m picky about applicants who have a lot of xp.. add people who are good so you aren’t stuck solo q Ing
cinder storm
Druid feral on 22, also lowest on dps, healer dies due to bad positioning, 3 breezes available and after we wiped he said, I asked of I needed to brezz
tidal ocean
Thoughts on taking aoe int on NO for balakar?
cinder storm
Thoughts on taking aoe int on NO for balakar?
It's good
tidal ocean
Can you hit 3 of them? Or only 2
cinder storm
I usually call kicks, when they group I stun first cast, int next, fear if they are still alive
tidal ocean
I see you wait for them to group, not use it to group
cinder storm
Right, in theory if you mark them and everyone understand who is kicking what grouping them is not hard
I usually stand between two and TC to aggro then kick and those two move with me
tidal ocean
Yeah, was prob my bad for yoloing it and not marking
warm plinth
cinder storm
Typing for 30s can save a lot of time
sick sentinel
new to the game found this discord wondering what are good professions and will make me some gold ? thanks for the help in advance
cinder storm
I've been here for a while and I'm poor as hell, if you find something lmk
warm plinth
Any crafting profession is probably alright other than Engineering
As far as making money
balmy canyon
If you're gonna do crafting profs you should get some now and be sure to do the weekly things since that gets you about 10 knowledge a week so you should be able to get a decent amount going before 10.1 drops
sick sentinel
Cheers im a tauren so i might go herbing and alch haha thanks again 🙂
serene yew
Can anyone link me a YouTuber that shows mythic plus routes?
And explains things like doing the door skip in cos vs normal route or frog skip vs not
warm plinth
Frog skip bad 
rigid fern
Can anyone link me a YouTuber that shows mythic plus routes?
fancy seeing you here
serene yew
?
sick sentinel
what do you give for a 415/18 craft gold wise
south zealot
like 3-5k is what i usually do
anyone that expects 20k for the click of a button is insane
warm plinth
Most people don't ask for anything tbh. That's just what I give
Most people are the "whatever you think is fair" type
sick sentinel
do you set a minimum quality too or
warm plinth
Usually they like you to set min quality 4 if you're getting r5 made
sick sentinel
i try to interact with this system as little as i can
and i have to leave on griftah's after i have removed embellishment?
its on now, but, i can't get rid of sparkle?
warm plinth
🤷
Never removed an embellishment so idk
I don't think it'll let you remove it but you can try
sick sentinel
its more that there is like a billion profession points that are time gated
cloud umbra
the last person i asked the price, he said "you can tip anything between 15k-50k"
rigid fern
I use fangs on my rogue's weapon
as a rogue main I did this as well, then the flaring ring tech became more widely known. It was a good waste of 100k
warm plinth
Yeah that's when you find someone else 😂
warm plinth
Yeah (un)fortunately for me, I don't raid so I don't need flaring
cloud umbra
im sure that was fine for him. He better be happy to get that much haha
weary saddle
Question: is it clear yet which gems (and gems combo) inserted in the ONYX AMulet is best for protwar
coarse flower
ok my bros, thoughts on these talents