protection

[jagged pier]

yer i had the WA

but i also did like 50 pulls without it

[dusky canopy]

I agree that these are fairly simple yes

[tropic gorge]

Dbm I think does it just fine spamming an icon in talk chat

[dusky canopy]

So spamming in chat is acceptable

So like for thundering

[tropic gorge]

More acceptable, imo, then for example a wa telling you exactly what to do

[dusky canopy]

I agree addons in general are rediculous just making conversation about it.

[tropic gorge]

Yessir

[amber siren]

Run away little girl too OP for raiding

[dusky canopy]

What about addons like GTFO?

To much? Watch your feet?

[tropic gorge]

I think we as a whole are to reliant on addons overall. I'm not against addons

It's an interesting situation we have found ourselves in

[dusky canopy]

Personally I’m all for blizzard removing raid addons I’d rather them telegraph better

[jagged pier]

imagine playing with sound XD

[cinder storm]

Games should not be reliant on add-ons, if anything, they should be a supplement, but at some point they became a complement to the game, either by design or by player perception

[dusky canopy]

I’m also all for ui customization that’s super cool

But addons that play the game for you should go

[tropic gorge]

I hate to say this guys. But this is one area where square did it better then blizz

[dusky canopy]

Blizzard should design better

[tropic gorge]

I turned off game sound a few weeks or months ago. I'll never turn it back on

[dusky canopy]

As an example like with out my warrior WA sweet in the middle of my screen I would play worse with eyeballs glued to my bars

[tropic gorge]

It's so much better to focus

Buff trackers are qol, imo

And are perfectly fine

[cinder storm]

Yes, the fact FF devs are the real WF raiders and Limit and Echo play to beta test a raid and circle jerk about it is dumb imo, I do enjoy the bantering tho

[tropic gorge]

To my knowledge, and it's been a few years, square banned addons from ff14

[dusky canopy]

They’re soft banned

[tropic gorge]

Ff14 also has a better overall ui experience and functionality we are only just now getting in warcraft

[dusky canopy]

They don’t search for you but you can’t gloat about it either

[tropic gorge]

I'm not saying wow bad ff14 good

[cinder storm]

Yeah, don't talk about it and you are fine

[dusky canopy]

Like if you shit on someone’s damage in a dungeon you can be banned for it

Because you shouldn’t be able to know there damage

For example

[tropic gorge]

Eso did similar

Dps meters in eso still, to my knowledge it's also been a while, don't work for groups only personal

[dusky canopy]

I don’t think a strick no addon policy would ever work for WoW anymore

[tropic gorge]

No it wouldn't

[dusky canopy]

It’s to competitive now

The community is too competitive

[tropic gorge]

It would require a total redesign of the game from the ground up now

[dusky canopy]

Imagine mythic progression without logging

Being able to tell who should use a healing cooldown at a better time

Etc

Absolutely not the direction blizz can go imo

[tropic gorge]

No, not now. That ship sailed around bc, when logging started taking off

[dusky canopy]

Or like imagine pugging mythic dungeons without R.io or blizzs M+ score

Impossible

[tropic gorge]

The sad reality is we do need metrics to gate keep to ensure like minded players get invited

I don't want to try to push a 18 key with a guy who's never done a 15 for example

Nobody does

[cinder storm]

I think, even tho it would be hard to implement, to have m+ implemented like lfr

[dusky canopy]

Definitely a tangent but that’s why I think the whole “solo M+ que” is a horrible suggestion

Imagine queuing into sandbags

[cinder storm]

Haha

[dusky canopy]

That will just fail hard

[cinder storm]

It would, def

[tropic gorge]

Without good options to limit who got auto invited, lfg style m+ group finding would be wild

[cinder storm]

Some dungeons past a certain key level require to have a set comp

[dusky canopy]

People cry because you can’t get invited but at least your not wasting 25 minutes in a dungeon to have someone leave because they realize timers lost

In a random que

[tropic gorge]

The nature of the beast. In all things in this game and real life, the higher you go the more you have to screen who joins you

[dusky canopy]

Yes that happens now but at least you used your best discretion to form a successful team

[slim dove]

I think you just wouldn't pug

[dusky canopy]

True you couldn’t* pug

It would be next to impossible

Without a lottery win

[slim dove]

I play with 2600s now just cuz I have way more fun

[cinder storm]

A few 3.1k people I know who are almost 3.2k say it's almost impossible to do keys at that level without comms or a group

[slim dove]

Pugging at 2900 is awful

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I’m about there myself

[tropic gorge]

Shit I just clicked 2300 and it's kinda similar

[dusky canopy]

Been on the fence about continuing the grind

[slim dove]

Toxic shithead DPS rage at every mistake and inconvience

[tropic gorge]

Groups that don't kick. People thst form groups but leave out a brez and all kinds of stuff

[slim dove]

Meanwhile I have 2x their kicks and similar dps

[dusky canopy]

I’d like to hit 3k but man the completion rate of 21-22 is basically dead in pugs

It’s insane

[tropic gorge]

Had a dps bitch at me last week in sbg because we had a good group but the shit tank caused us to miss 2 star

[cinder storm]

To be fair, this week has reminded that dungeons are fun, but affixes combos have been a nightmare

[tropic gorge]

Cause I "pulled way too much". First time anyone has ever told me that the sbg route was too much lol

[dusky canopy]

It’s bad when the tank does 60-65k and one of your dps also does that damage

It’s like bro how are you even in 22 keys

[tropic gorge]

I've started to out dps people in the 17 and 18 range

[cinder storm]

The good ones are in 23s+ now, sadly if a 23 depletes I have to go back and deal with the 22s players

I'm on the same boat

[tropic gorge]

Not just aa prot war giga pump

[dusky canopy]

I mean AA is definitely fun

[karmic wasp]

I just had trouble on my alt warrior holding threat on the lasher adds on Tree boss in AA. Do they reset aggro when they burst forth?

[dusky canopy]

No

DH and Fury gotta chill

Until you can thunderclap

[sick sentinel]

fury has a right to be MADGE

[dusky canopy]

If they can’t chill 1 global

It’s there problem

[cinder storm]

You can use ravager in one set and dragon roar on another, should be fine but yeah dps needs to chill

[sick sentinel]

1k tap for 3 ilvl x 2 OR, 2 sparks PER weapon

i'd be mad as hell too

[slim dove]

Lightning pot is big too.

Remember the lashers don't have an aggro table when they are in the ground

[dusky canopy]

Monk can rip too if bone dust procs on a dance of chi ji proc

But that doesn’t really happen

[karmic wasp]

ah that was probably my issue

went ham on them when they spawned

[sick sentinel]

i think if 2h weapons cost 1000, 1 tap of a weapon and 1h should also cost 1k, currently it goes 750, 500 for weapon 250 for shield

so i think fury ABSOLTELY gets shafted, in that regard

[dusky canopy]

As long as your getting TC off mostly on cd you’re threat should never struggle

[tropic gorge]

Tc and revenge is usually enough to collect them up.
I use my aoe taunt for the active ones that run around

[cinder storm]

Yesterday I learned if a dps gets hit by storming on the last boss temple right when the boss spawn adds, the adds can hit a dps midflight

[dusky canopy]

Obviously there’s variables but in general

[karmic wasp]

my warrior is pretty undergeared atm, but want to know how to do my best

[dusky canopy]

Press all buttons as much as humanly possible

Ofc there’s a priority

[slim dove]

TC alone won't hold threat on lashers

You need a CD like roar, shout, or ravager + pot

Dps won't chill for a global

[dusky canopy]

He ain’t lying

[slim dove]

[tropic gorge]

Hold threat? No

But give you initial threat? Absolutely

[slim dove]

If you have an arms war, they can chad it up and tank with DBTS

I do it all the time when playing arms in AA

[cinder storm]

Brew, since you run with a disc, do you find yourself playing more defensively than usual?

[tropic gorge]

On aa tree for the active adds, I'll throw ravager as they are spawning, then I'll dragon and usually that's that they belong to me and eat a shockwave

[dusky canopy]

No actually he always is bitching at me lmao

Sorry bro my dps matters more than yours

[slim dove]

Bro hasn't rerolled rdruid? Oof

[dusky canopy]

Once a disc always a disc

We’ve been playing like this for years

[cinder storm]

My brain is still at disc SL levels then, like they can heal but my brain is like, do not go under 30%

[dusky canopy]

Disc/war

We’re both damage pad whores too so it gets real spicy from time to time

[cinder storm]

Impending victory made prot/disc playable at least this xpac

[dusky canopy]

Memes aside to answer your question I will usually give him a heads up to when I will be in trouble so he can kinda plan for it but that’s kinda a general thing you do with any healer

He struggles the most in tjs and rlp

[topaz field]

thats warrior struggling not the healer^^

[dusky canopy]

TJS it’s when the mini adds blow up

[cinder storm]

I've played with other healers on the same keys or lower and you can insta feel the difference between having shields and not having shields

[dusky canopy]

Oh absolutely

He’s definitely saved my ass when I miss play

[dusky canopy]

LUL

[cinder storm]

Funny thing is how automatikjak came to the same conclusion as my disc friend regarding jade strike

How the healing absorb is fucked for disc

[dusky canopy]

Low key pally is insane for that

They can bubble taunt the first

Lay on hands the second

[topaz field]

i mean disc has 2 externals

[dusky canopy]

And you’re big chillin

[topaz field]

2 pretty strong externals

[cinder storm]

Or how their pet in AV 2nd boss runs to the boss instead of images and that lowers their healing ramp

[strong forum]

disc still sucks at outhealing the debuff

[cinder storm]

Same as ravager

[strong forum]

its not just the dmg taken

but also just healing through the absorb

[dusky canopy]

Right it’s the heal absorb

[topaz field]

we could argue warrior sucks there too^^

[strong forum]

yes

[tropic gorge]

Does the heal part of rally or ls help remove that absorb in tjs?

[topaz field]

because its a pain for every healer apart from R druid

[strong forum]

warri is LITERALLY the worst tank vs that boss

[topaz field]

to heal that debuff

[dusky canopy]

I usually run aegis when I’m with my disc it just helps out

[topaz field]

enhancer shami is better at outhealing it than most healers are actually

[dusky canopy]

2 walls 2 pain supresses

[sick sentinel]

i do sort of like how that undead model looks

[cinder storm]

I went on a 23 and decided to talent bsv the other tyr week and bsv saved me there I dare say, I did it because I saw quazi running it and I figured he and Jak decided to play it like that

[dusky canopy]

Ye getting AG on that fight is huge!

[cinder storm]

Then I went to ask Jak on his stream and he was like "wtf do I know"

[sick sentinel]

and then i could remove sleeps as well as save a talent point vs fear, get some HP after trash.....

[tropic gorge]

Dwarf > undead yogi

Fite me

[dusky canopy]

Dwarf!

[sick sentinel]

undead best race

[dusky canopy]

[cinder storm]

Well not like that, I asked him if he and quazi planned to use it but he stated he didn't know why quazi brought it for tsj

[sick sentinel]

undead male is giga S tier

[tropic gorge]

Warrior class is Chad. Dwarf warrior is God mode giga Chad

Chad levels we almost never approach

[sick sentinel]

i dunno

[cinder storm]

Nah, one word

Zandalari troll

[sick sentinel]

a fucking dumb ass warrior that literally cannot die

[dusky canopy]

22 TJS in my bags right now

[tropic gorge]

Sorry my beard got in the way, say again?

[sick sentinel]

keeps getting chopped to bits

[dusky canopy]

[tropic gorge]

🙂

[sick sentinel]

but gets up again

goes back, same dumb ass attacks

it all fits together really nice

[tropic gorge]

I've been avoiding tjs for now. I'll probably try a 17 tjs over the weekend as I keep pushing my timed dungeon count up

[topaz field]

i was rather thinking of ~200 k healing surges

[tropic gorge]

I'll have to for raiting, not looking forward to trying to push tjs

[dusky canopy]

I mean yeah that too ofc

[cinder storm]

AG and nature's vigil make tsj chill

[sick sentinel]

thats 2 words

[cinder storm]

My point still stands

[dusky canopy]

I’m swimming in the heals when I’m with the homies the comps disc/enh/feral/myself

[cinder storm]

I found a rogue that's willing to run with us, was lower Io and now it's almost on par with us, a dh that sometimes comes, and usually pugging a druid

I'd drop the dh for a good enh on a heartbeat tho

[topaz field]

good enhancer

kekW

its the fotm class of the moment

[dusky canopy]

Enh is super cool but like

Piano

[cinder storm]

One thing about fotm players is that 80% of them are bad

I've seen druids never dispel a curse in temple

[noble stratus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y1CbZMBrWztdmGNw/#fight=last&type=summary can i get ur guys' input on my log here

[nocturne spindle]

thicc boi kultiran warrior best warrior

[dusky canopy]

Shoot for 100%

Get more like 90-95%

[noble stratus]

yea i been noticing i drop shield block every so often

[cinder storm]

It's a low key so things are dying too fast to tell, you can TC more and try to press your buttons a bit more

[fading shuttle]

How do you all pull the three pack in TJS right before Wise Mari? I've been trying to pull them hard right into the concave alcove, but it always seems scuffed. ~2600 io, trying to get my 20s. Thank you.

[dusky canopy]

You demo shout 32 times but only SC 4 those should be equal

[cinder storm]

People don't like pulling two elementals for safety and DPS uptime, so normally first caster and ele with lust, second elemental, then other add if you don't have a ranged kick, then the three adds before boss

[dusky canopy]

Likes bubbles said low keys are not the best metric to judge off of biggest thing to do is block more and press your cooldowns more

@noble stratus

[fading shuttle]

I mean, where do you like to drag the 3 mobs right before boss? I want to put them in a spot where my team can LOS, but what I'm doing seems scuffed

[cinder storm]

You don't really need spellblock in NO until you really know why you need it

[cinder storm]

You don't need to this week, healers issue

[oak echo]

you kick one and someone else kicks the other. move them while they're silenced from the kick

[cinder storm]

There's a corner right next to the stair if you really want for people to LoS it, when you get to the arena and facing the boss, to the right

There's like half a pillar coming out, some people drag it close to the stair too from where you come to los in that corner

[fading shuttle]

Roger. I probably just need to communicate better with team beforehand about what I'm trying to do. Ty

[noble stratus]

fair enough!!!

[oak echo]

honestly if people aren't kicking the 2 water speakers without communication

idk what to tell those people

[cinder storm]

I'd only try that on fort weeks, mainly fort raging week, healer can use CDs there, the boss has minimal healing req

[sick sentinel]

So subjucated souls after first boss, do they just randomly melee people? sbg*

[noble stratus]

thanks guys for the analysis, i'm a bdk main usually but i've been trying to branch out. my sims tell me i'm supposed to be doing 22k damage in ST, but i only seem to reach 16k over the course of the fight, which prompted me to be like "ok mby i should start LOGGING*" lol

[cinder storm]

Taunt all the channelers

[sick sentinel]

yeah had aggro on all of them, this was like when all mobs were 20-30% hp

[oak echo]

you had the dominator that's far away at the beginning pulled in?

[sick sentinel]

yaa

sec think i clipped it

[oak echo]

i do feel like their threat is weird and drops sometimes but idk what causes it or how much i'm imagining it

but i've had something similar happen like once or twice where the healer will get assassinated like 30 seconds into the pull

[cinder storm]

Log and post it here

[noble stratus]

er

ye thats what i meant lol

i should start logging my pwarr runs

[cinder storm]

If I'm not mistaken they can re dominate one add and they can de aggro for 0.1 s

[cinder storm]

Haha mb, missed that part

[noble stratus]

yeyeye lol

[cinder storm]

But before you do, it all boils down to "press your buttons more"

[tropic gorge]

That cannot be said enough

I thought I was doing well, then my logs and cpm shit on my parade

[cinder storm]

Sometimes I see my logs and I know 55-65cpm is ok but it's not Nome's levels

[arctic charm]

whats. the consensus on tier set? seems p mehish

how much cdr is it actually

[tropic gorge]

I want 60 min. That's my first goal

Once I can get 60cpm in most things I'll go higher

[cinder storm]

I have to be on the mood to hit 65, 55 is usually me chilling or drowsy

[cinder storm]

Current and new tier are both ok, nothing to write home about, nothing to cry about either

[tropic gorge]

My usual is now 55 to 60. 55 seems okay, but I can do better

Last week I was hardly getting 51. I'm doing much better

[last mason]

10.07 and 10.1 are the same thing right

[amber siren]

no

[last mason]

when does 10.07 come out

[amber siren]

this reset

[last mason]

do the ret changes come with that?

[dapper vapor]

Coming reset

[sick sentinel]

https://i.imgur.com/e4b5U1z.mp4 idk really

[amber siren]

Just a guess since I'm only seeing 2 doms in that video and 3 spawn, but if a dom dies while it's CC'ing an add its aggro table can bug

[sick sentinel]

yeee one died pretty early into the clip

[cinder storm]

Yeah that seems to be the cause, as soon as the dom died the soul associated to it tried chasing the DH, even when storming spawns it has aggro still on the DH

[dusky canopy]

[dusky canopy]

What kinda CPM is nom logging?

I’m usually around 70

[cinder storm]

He's around there I believe doing casual keys

[dusky canopy]

That man cranks dude

[cinder storm]

I wanna see his cpm when he's tryharding

[warm plinth]

Not much. 15-20 seconds

[lyric heart]

how mush haste should we have?

[fresh igloo]

as much as you can get ?

ilvl is more important than specific stat weights though.

[dusky canopy]

400%

[tropic gorge]

We will never have too much haste

Now, if you hunt gear with all haste on it, you might. But that's not realistic

[dusky canopy]

You can tell a lot of people playing D4

Discord chat is dead everywhere lol

[tropic gorge]

Gotta be honest it doesn't call to me at all

I'm still a salty bitch over the real money ah, and the "you don't have phones?" comment.

[dusky canopy]

I mean yeah that was shit

[tropic gorge]

I understand the games come a long way and is in a better place

[blazing condor]

as much as possible without dropping main stat

[dusky canopy]

I’m still a fan of the game hopefully this one’s a banger

[strong forum]

so far im exceedingly impressed by the game

[tropic gorge]

But man, after D2 with its xpack, D3 felt meh

[dusky canopy]

[strong forum]

menueing is super fast, attacks feel snappy and not sluggish at all

[tropic gorge]

D3 honestly felt like wow with an isometric pov and that didn't do it for me

[strong forum]

so far it does combat and low level experience way better than d3

[dusky canopy]

Fuck yes dude! Can’t wait to try it tonight

[strong forum]

its much faster already

and item sounds from d2 are being used

very satisfying

[dusky canopy]

Do you keep getting booted from the server?

[strong forum]

nah only once

am just sitting in q for now

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I saw when I was watching earlier

Just was curious

[tropic gorge]

Does everyone get access this weekend?

[strong forum]

next weekend

[dusky canopy]

No it’s pre order weekend

[strong forum]

current weekend is for preorder only

[tropic gorge]

/nod

Maybe next weekend I'll pop in and give it a shot

[dusky canopy]

I mean hey it’s free right

Why not

[tropic gorge]

D2 remaster was really good and a total nostalgia trip

Maybe 4 can bring the magic

[strong forum]

d4 is a mix of poe, lost ark and d2/d3

so yeah

lot of stuff to be seen, and a few endgame systems are not yet in place, will prolly come with season 1

[sick sentinel]

watching bald man play

halls of valor and odyn still hates me

[tropic gorge]

I didn't like how lost arc controlled

I tried it for a few hours and man, that shit felt like a moba

[sick sentinel]

what i didn't like about lost ark was it was "log in every day or else"

[tropic gorge]

Gotta get those daily login numbers up!

[sick sentinel]

nah peice lol

when u also got lottery for ilvl upgrade

peace im out

wow, if i want to, i can log in 40 minutes do my raid or dungeon, log off for the week

[tropic gorge]

Lost arc visually is awesome to look at

Shit yogi you should have seen wow during bc when dailies were first introduced

Holy fucking grind fest

[sick sentinel]

the classes in it are fun

you get one guy that dues a literal mini nuke

[round pendant]

Yeah lost ark is trash

[sick sentinel]

we all played it though

[round pendant]

Time for your weekly upgrade failure

Then you do it again next week

Forever

[sick sentinel]

i played it for about 2.5 months i think

[round pendant]

Same

[sick sentinel]

and then i stopped

i couldnt keep up with the calendar and i lost all my rewards i PAID for and i said fuck it

[urban portal]

lost ark the gameplay is fun

[sick sentinel]

cuz it was like, i had to log in, go to the thing and then recieve it

[urban portal]

the rest of the game sucks

[sick sentinel]

and then combined with the harder bosses i got to around 1100 ilvl there, and some raid boss was too hard, the lottery upgrades and the i paid for the dailies items i wasn't getting

so i quit like, right there because it was a confluence of shitty things all coming together for bad experience

[tropic gorge]

Lol ever play BDO?

BDO has the most punishing and unfair upgrade system ever seen in the modern day

[dusky canopy]

Man I wish we could return to the time of “here’s your game for X currency, go enjoy it we won’t try to milk your wallet”

Good times man good times..

[tropic gorge]

Oddly enough

[urban portal]

i feel like all those games have great gameplay

just that its too p2w

[tropic gorge]

And this feels wrong to type. Ea has done that with the new starwars games

[urban portal]

sure but it feels impossible to start a game, feels like a waste of money to sink 60-70 into a game you may or may not like

even wow

its hard to convince a new player to sink 40 bucks+15 a month

to play one of the more complex games in the market

when theres a pretty, good looking, simple to play lost ark right there and is free

[lusty tiger]

path of exile pogggg

[round pendant]

only for 1400 hours

At least in bdo you can simply grind for silver and buy the items you want on the market with silver

[lusty tiger]

i think i wouldve liked lost ark if i hadnt leveled so many PoE characters already

[round pendant]

it takes longer (on average) but it's guaranteed

I have 900-ish hours in PoE and I'm permanently burnt out

and they add so much SHIT to that game every update that it's just a mess now imo

[lusty tiger]

i usually have my buddy who has a PhD in PoE- explain all the new league mechanics lol

still one of my favorite RPGs conceptually

[round pendant]

It's a fun game

but

it's literally the same thing every league since the league mechanics aren't that impactful (most of the time)

I've played through that campaign so many times I start falling asleep during it and can't continue

[lusty tiger]

yea i have some hope for d4

and actually multiple people to play it with

[cinder storm]

I only played PoE when it first came out and it was called Path of Desync back then

The lag made me not stick around

[uneven mason]

I swore I wouldn't buy d4...

So a buddy bought it for me

[cinder storm]

Seems good, the narrator sounds awesome, some animations in the cutscenes look funky

[lyric heart]

how big dps increase is the 2 and 4 set for prot?

[lusty tiger]

none

2 set is like 3% if you use it correctly

4 set is none

[lusty tiger]

yes

im watching nome play d4 it looks pretty dang fun

[valid oar]

hey, when to pop last stand on 3rd boss TJS - before the serpent strike or right after

[fresh igloo]

right after to help drop the healing absorb is best if i'm not mistaken

in the pins:

-TJS 3rd boss - You can Spell Reflect the fire phase kick. For the Jade phase, use SW/SR/Spell Block/DS + IP to mitigate initial hit, followed by IV/LS/Healthpot to help reduce healing absorb. If you cast Spell Block just before the kick lands, you can cover 2 kicks with it.If possible ask your DPS'ers to keep CD's for the second phase.

[oak echo]

correct

[cloud umbra]

jade not serpent as well

it counts as a heal if you do it after and helps clear the shield

same with rally IV and potting

[ornate thunder]

What's a meme dmg build for m+ look like at higher gear levels?

[uneven mason]

Uh meme+

[strong forum]

you just remove shockwave and get uproar

voila

and ITF instead of HR

[uneven mason]

It's our basic build

[strong forum]

thats all you change for dmg build

[ornate thunder]

tough as nails over sb prob too right

[strong forum]

ofc

[ornate thunder]

or would it be more valuable to dump battering and put two into bloodborne, forgo tough

[uneven mason]

Wat

[warm plinth]

Rally actually doesn't count as a heal for the absorb iirc because it doesn't actually heal you; it just adjusts your health % to remain the same. It's a script rather than a heal, similar to VDH meta

[uneven mason]

It boosts iv though

Which I think was the goal

[cloud umbra]

TIL

lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah I suppose that's true, that it would boost IV

Might as well, not like you need it for anything else on that fight

[uneven mason]

Yeah, back in BFA they made ls a actual heal

But rally is still a % boost

[warm plinth]

Yep. The important part is the "temporary" in the tooltip, where LS actually says "and instantly heals you for that amount"

[urban portal]

i dont think your health% remains the same

[uneven mason]

Used to be able to crit the heal.from ls

[urban portal]

but its a "true heal" that goes through absorb

[sick sentinel]

odyn too strong

plz nerf

it doesn't help that ppl don't give a fuck tho and put spears middle room

or cant do runic brand and 3 ppl die to it

[warm plinth]

Yeah you're right, it doesn't keep your health % the same. I just tested it to see what it's doing and it actually does heal you but it heals you for 15% of your original health, not your new maximum. And then you lose the same amount once it expires.

[urban portal]

yea

you "borrow" max hp

[warm plinth]

Thanks for the correction.

https://tenor.com/bWAuG.gif

[sick sentinel]

spears on odyn, where they are placed, i think this is accurate?

[ornate thunder]

Don't bring ranged, problem solved

[sick sentinel]

i tried 16 hov at least 4 times this week, failed every time

almost 90% odyn cause of death

odyn goes to 85%, we go boom, that or wolf kinda rough

[crystal mauve]

I made it work before with spear in the middle but it does get in the way. If people die to brand they just suck

[valid finch]

evening gents/gals. just wondering is there a site for tanks like QE & RB?

[warm plinth]

You can sim for damage. There's no way to simulate tankiness/survival; too many variables.

[valid finch]

ok just wondering thanks

[lusty tiger]

You want the spears and the add on opposite sides of the boss

So you can run to the ad then to the exit without any spears in your way

Aaand so your party doesn’t get pulled in through spears

Spear placement does not matter right before shatter spears->giving marks

[lusty tiger]

Buuuut it is important that you are not all stacked on one of the marked circles when shatter spears-> marks is going out so that somebody doesn’t auto fail the mechanic

[fallow nova]

It really feels like all of the decent/good players are either pushing super high keys or farming low keys, because every time I do a 15+, it's full of people who have no idea what's going on

Like, to the point that I start wondering if they've actually done that dungeon before

[lusty tiger]

Probably not

[fallow nova]

Whereas on low keys, even though everything melts, I see tons of kicks etc going out as well

[lusty tiger]

Depends if you’re in valor farming groups

[fallow nova]

Tree boss on AA, several groups seem completely bewildered at the fact that those seed ads will fuck you up

[lusty tiger]

If you have rio you can usually tell if someone is the alt of a 2.8+ main

[fallow nova]

Or "let's do the frog skip" while being completely unable to handle the whelp pulls

Literally got told earlier that shards doesn't need to be kicked if I'd just pop more cds

I really should just run my own keys lol

[lusty tiger]

It’s kinda funny tbh

As a warrior I’m trying to cc shards in a +18

But on my pala in a +20 I just need to make sure I don’t take 2 at once lol

[fallow nova]

Lol

[lusty tiger]

They may just not be used to it- also yea the middle of the bell curve seems to be 11-16 keys, except all those people want to run +16s

So that is the place you have the greatest chance at playing with complete noobs imo

[lusty tiger]

Do you use rio?

[warm plinth]

Oh now I have an idea for a new name

[fallow nova]

Nah, but I should

[lusty tiger]

U aren’t allowed to complain about doing keys w noobs then

[fallow nova]

Don't have time to raid on a schedule and didn't really get bakc into m+ until this expansion

[lusty tiger]

Please get it

And please pay very close attention to “best for”

Do not join groups where the leader does not have a best for of their current key times within 1 level

[cinder storm]

The best part about running baby keys, is how people act when players complete CoS

[lusty tiger]

And if you’re creating same rule for people you invite

[cinder storm]

All happy and dancing

[lusty tiger]

Cos easiest peaziest

[compact hawk]

second alert group in AV the shards hit me super hard. is there a trick to it beyond use a defensive?

[vocal nimbus]

Rotate ccs on their casts

[mighty valley]

use your own CCs, ask for friendly CC, spell block lasts a really long time

[pallid quiver]

I'm still half asleep, but if you mean the Piercing Shards casts, you can also stun/fear them, as well

[oak echo]

You can also position them on one side of the pillars that stick out from the wall and LOS a cast around that. But you kinda can only do it once without turning frontal towards the group

[pallid quiver]

aim the frontal at the group, do it, they deserve it

[dense ledge]

50k overall in nokhud ain't too good ey

[oak echo]

Depends on your ilvl and how you pull the last area but can def do better

And key level really

[dense ledge]

did pull 17 slower

was a 20

416-417 ilvl

[pallid quiver]

That's higher ilvl than me because I've slacked for like 4 weeks, and when I hit a 20 NO like 3 days ago I pulled like 65k iirc?

So yeah, can probably pull bigger/play around CDs better/slap buttons harder

[dense ledge]

probably too many rotational mistakes

[strong forum]

In nokhud you can pull as much as 80k

[dense ledge]

we had one thundering wipe on storm bossi

not sure how that affects overall but I was expecting something around 60k when I looked at it

[pallid quiver]

my group wiped on storm trash once

[strong forum]

Wipes on bosses lower overall immensely

[pallid quiver]

i can only punch that storm bolt guy so many times in the face, my pugs

[dense ledge]

hard to wipe this week on storm bossi trash

[pallid quiver]

Healer got hit with like 2 storm bolts at once and dropped dead

[dense ledge]

but there are always incidents

[pallid quiver]

then i sat there for a hot minute and no one came back

[dense ledge]

also not sure how to ideally play the storm boss

I taunt - reflect - charge in the opener and then I wait with the reflect after the first big circles

reflect should be top damage there or?

[strong forum]

Depends entirely on keylevel

And kill timer

[pallid quiver]

+2, down real low, +26? gonna be a lot higher up there

[dense ledge]

thx

[sick sentinel]

FU odyn

pos

[strong forum]

Grats

[cinder storm]

[sick sentinel]

i hate him so m uch

[cinder storm]

You got him down after everyone died, good stuff

[sick sentinel]

surge went off and everyone died, i for some reason leaped and died to a spear swirl

right before that

and then i killed it

[misty coyote]

On Broodkeeper Mythic, can we spell reflect the Stone Slam? Or just use it for DR

[lusty tiger]

Did you try my strat?

[ornate thunder]

eye vs glacial in m+? which gets the most dmg

is it dungeon based?

[lusty tiger]

Eye unless your rotation is hella bad

Eye also give some more tankyness

[gilded basalt]

Just DR. I recommend more than just SR for the slams for sure

Only thing you can actually reflect in that encounter are the static jolts from adds

[reef holly]

Is blazebinder hoof better than hunger of the pack?? I’m pretty sure my aoe overall damage was better (in NO) when I was running hunger of the pack.. will have to log next time

[royal rune]

can you catalyze spark items?

[sick sentinel]

no i want to say

you wouldn't want to do that anyways because they are boosting the ilvl of them, and they are customizable stats

[mortal mountain]

is there anyway you can always force a snap of the corpse skitterlings? seems kinda random

[mighty valley]

No, no crafted items

[mighty valley]

snap logic is always inconsistent, they will snap down eventually

[balmy canyon]

If you didn't care about survivability what trinkets would you guys run in raid? Mainly thinking about reclears where we know we out gear the bosses enough for silly stuff to be fine

[mighty valley]

Same trinkets I'd choose now tbh, mythic grieftorch and either icon if the other tank isn't running one, whetstone or spiteful storm or some other flat damage thing otherwise

actually spiteful storm falls off real hard if your kill time is fast

storm eater's boon if you want to live a little

[simple osprey]

How is prot warrior looking for season 2? guild wants me to pick a tank for the season and im a bit freightened since alot dmg is shadowflame dmg which is magical last i checked

[amber siren]

The safest way to have them snap is for only one person to be on their aggro table, otherwise there's a chance they won't snap and will just sit at the top of the hole

[odd tree]

Good so far, but there hasn't been any tuning to pwar, and I don't think we're in a bad spot for magic dmg either. Spell block strong 💪

[amber siren]

But unless you're in an organised group it's just safer to take the -5 seconds to kill them and jump down

[mortal mountain]

just did exactly that and it didnt work out

[amber siren]

Without a log I can't say for sure but I'd say there's a good chance someone did an action to get in combat with them, whether it was a heal or a buff

[uncut thunder]

I have not kept track but what is the avg CD Shield Wall has with Impen Wall and Anger Management, just rough estimates

[spring thunder]

Tried to look this up but whats the best lust route for AA this week? Go to Vex (lust) and backtrack to Tree and then Bird (lust)?

[limpid plover]

lust vex,kill bird lust tree boss

[pallid quiver]

I do the Vex-Tree-Birb because birb kill people

[limpid plover]

just did it +20 had 8 minutes left

Bird killing people? this late into exp gees

[shrewd grove]

Prot warrior has pretty strong magic mitigation and it's top 2 tank spec in the game right now. Our set bonus next tier is fantastic. I think we'll be fine XD

[limpid plover]

I am loving prot warrior. Did 74K Overall +20 AA big pulls

i feel invincible at 418 ilvl

[spring thunder]

When you say Vex to Tree.. .I should continue killing the trash to the right of Vex correct? heading to the Guardian Elemental guy that's solo..then move to tree?

[amber siren]

About a minute assuming good play and 100% uptime

[pallid quiver]

No, run back

kill all adds before lasst

[spring thunder]

Ty

[uncut thunder]

thanks

[spring thunder]

Ty

[wary spire]

Where can I find more maps like that?

[uncut thunder]

https://keystone.guru/

[wary spire]

Thanks bud

[uncut thunder]

👍🏻

[dense ledge]

shadowmoon is sooooo hard this week compared to every other dungeon I did lmao

[mighty valley]

sounds like you should be doing bigger keys lmao

[slim dove]

Does baby key

"Omg so ez"

[broken pendant]

Is the Onyx Annulet going to be BIS next week?

[untold scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gangster-monkey-monk-monke-shaptic-gif-21239890

[jade trench]

How much damage are you guys doing on a 20? BC im only doing like 30-40k

[violet flume]

i know im late but i do tree vex bird, ive never wiped on vex, wiped plenty of tree and bird

[pallid quiver]

Vex and Birb are the scarier two for groups pushing higher keys

After the mechanic changes on Tree, it's a relative breather on higher keys

Just make sure adds actually die, poison cleanse if need be, and slap it until it dies

Meanwhile, at iirc the third loop of Vex's mechanics overlap and pretty much one shot most the party if you don't intentionally desync them and Birb just hurty

[violet flume]

idk i run +20s and vex never wiped me, one guy dies at worst

tree i see people struggle to kill adds before next wave comes sometimes like ??

i also often get into groups with no poison dispel lately

[pallid quiver]

+20s are not higher keys

This is for the groups pushing... probably 24s and beyond at this point

[violet flume]

fair enough then, term higher key is subjective 😛

[pallid quiver]

It has a dynamic meaning for what people are pushing

[violet flume]

ya thats what i meant

[pallid quiver]

A lot more people are capable of clearing 20s now, but it's still a high key overall

I think only like, what, 5% or less of the playerbase do keys above even 15s, even after the loot changes

[violet flume]

i talk more about +20s in a pugging setting since thats all i do

[pallid quiver]

yeah pugging is just roulette in general

[violet flume]

definitely, feels like i just gotta crunch in the number of runs to get a good one that times a +20

i just wanna do all +20s timed and call it quits till season 2

gotta collect dem teleports

[pallid quiver]

I myself sit on weekly 20s at the moment since I, like, just don't wanna try pugging above that anymore

[violet flume]

yeah anything above is just asking for pain i feel

[pallid quiver]

They're pretty easy, even though more than a few don't time/fail around me, but like

I can't move Jimbo out of the cyclone guardian aoe, or get billy to hit rebuke on the storm bolting mob trying to zap him for the 4th time in a row

[violet flume]

i mean im sure i could do it but i can only do one, sometimes two runs a night

[tropic gorge]

so i have the crystalized bullwark at ilvl411. should i use a spark to upgrade a crafted 1h weapon, or push my crafted shield

[toxic solar]

fellas

what do against death spike in SBG on high keys

first boss's dagger buff

[violet flume]

i didnt even know it was a thing and never did anything against it lmao

seems like it's rng so you cant do much about it?

[toxic solar]

yeah im at 383 ilvl tryna do a 19

so trying to figure out what i can do LMAO

[violet flume]

well thats your issue lol

wtf you doing in a 19 with that ilevel

[toxic solar]

powergearing an alt

[violet flume]

i think the safer bet would be to spam low level dungeons for valor farm

or get carried as dps

cause i guess youre getting carried by friends

[toxic solar]

gotta do a certain amount for vault 🙂

[pallid quiver]

Generally, save SR for it, since you can Spell Reflect one of the stacks. Other than that, it's probably the largest in take of damage on tanks in that fight, so focus your defensives around that unless you really need it for other mechanics

It's definitely doable at that ilvl, but you're gonna have to put in some elbow grease

[toxic solar]

oh wait I can?

i did not think I could spell reflect it

[pallid quiver]

It only reflects one stack, but

It'll also reduce the damage of the remaining stacks, as well, due to SR's inherent magic damage reduction

[toxic solar]

tysm that would have helped a ton

i genuinely didnt think i could reflect that

[pallid quiver]

It's actually the only thing reflectable at all in that fight

If you have have a question/certainty that something is or isn't reflectable, just check on Sense's sheet in the pins

It covers every single ability and whether it's reflectable, gives a deflect, or is spell blockable

[slim dove]

Can run spell block also as another CD.

Losing TaN in SBG isn't a big deal, and not getting lmao bopped by raging void slashes is nice.

[toxic solar]

Whats TaN?

oh tough as nails

do you guys run that anyway?

[violet flume]

if you dont need spell block then yea

[pallid quiver]

I run it by default unless I'm picking up spell block for a dungeon

I personally don't run it for SBG,

but i'm also not pushing 19/20s at 38x ilvl at the immediate moment, and I can't remember if it helped you not get murdered by first boss enough to be worth taking

Cycling through SR, Shield Wall, my uptime on Demo, LS, with Impending Victory for sketcher moments has kept me alive

[toxic dome]

How much uptime on block in a dungeon do you guys have?

[heady stratus]

70-80% aprox without heavy repercussions

[toxic dome]

Last week I used my boost token to make a warrior. Right now I'm at 45-60%

It's normal for revenge to be my top dmg?

Need to practice a lot more I guess. I see some prot warriors on WCL reports have even 90% uptime on block. Crazy.

I guess I do that charge ability that gives me block. Then use the block ability itself go keep it up?

[torn gulch]

you can pretty reliably do 100% at decent haste

especially if you play HR

[pallid quiver]

Should have 100% with 0% haste at max level

Also, Shield Slam should be your max damage at max level

If it's not, you're not catching SS resets and not spending Outbursts on SS

If you didn't know, you want to spend your Outbursts from Violent Outburst, if you have it, on Shield Slam in pretty much every situation, even AOE

[torn gulch]

until 6+ targets

[pallid quiver]

It gives you a shit ton more rage than sending it on TC and more damage, even in AOE

It's like 8+

[torn gulch]

or 8+

but yeah SS outburst almost 100% of the situations

[minor forge]

At 413 ilvl without external buffs, I can crit up to 140k with shield slam, powerhouse

[pallid quiver]

Also, I just saw this one, letting this ping since it's important. You can stack block, up to 3 times its duration. So you can shield charge and hit SB to get 12/16 seconds of block instead of having to stagger them

Since it sounds like you're trying to manually space your block usage

[sage granite]

Morning, i am back in game after one year, does prot warr ever use revenge, imoemding vicotry, rend, slam?

[cinder storm]

Rend gets applied through TC via talent, and yeah you always revenge to reset SS, you use shield slam and impending as needed

[sage granite]

Okay

Hamstring isnt used at all?

And what storm bolt and whirlwind? Can i also remove them from bar?

[remote venture]

Storm Bolt are good for stun

whirlwind are never used

revenge should be use instead

[sage granite]

Thank you, can i also remove rend from bar?

[remote venture]

Yes, you can remove rend from the bar

[sage granite]

How does this looks like?

Minus rend ofc

[median tulip]

I bind to Q, E, R, T, F, G, H, Z, X, C, V as well

[cinder storm]

You can half the buttons by using Ctrl but if you are ok and used to moving your fingers so far then yeah, but macro your trinket to avatar

[remote venture]

Yes, 9 and 0 are so far away

[sage granite]

I have razer naga

So its not problem

I was just asking if everything that matters is on the bar

Thank you guys

[stiff gate]

probably want a spell block bind, you use it in a number of dungeons

[remote venture]

If you use the talnet for Spell Block.

[agile tiger]

is the HASTE alchemy trinket good for prot warrior?

[shy python]

You could also use F1-F4/F5. Easy to press.

The other F Keys you can bind on these.

[median tulip]

It lags behind the best trinkets, but it's not as bad as the worst ones. It gains some additional value if you have the potion absorption inhibitor embellishment, but obviously that requires putting that embellishment onto your gear.

Also you have to be using potions on cooldown to get the most from it

[warm plinth]

Not particularly

[pallid quiver]

ghash hates frogs confirmed

plans on exterminating the frog species

[lime urchin]

First pull Nokud, when doing juicy double pull, any minor tricks to keep mobs together without moving around too much? (In a coordinated setting, no pugsies)

[warm plinth]

I actually already forgot that my name was different and I was like what is Luerce even talking about

[pallid quiver]

that's the problem with changing your identity so frequent

Soon enough, you even forget who you are...

[warm plinth]

😱

[shell mortar]

DK or just pull solo 👍

[lime urchin]

Maybe some tricks with dps friends baiting closer or smt?

[shell mortar]

No, I mean, the rangers and hornsounders don't move so

Either you blow 4-5 different displacement abilities in a perfect way or just pull solo which because of the mob spread is better

[lime urchin]

I see

[sick sentinel]

stare into the abyss long enough and it stares back into you on the polar opposite end

best players over time seem to be those that can learn more than one character or spec, not always

[toxic dome]

Oh thank you, i used to do the regular charge 😂 oops

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, you sometimes want to avoid hitting shield block, like if there's gonna be downtime after a pack and you have enough duration to last you through, but it's generally pretty fine to send as long as it doesn't cap you out.

Specifically, the cap-cap duration on SB is 18 seconds if not talented into Enduring Defenses, 24 if it's talented

[misty arch]

https://twitch.tv/acidk multiclass tank PoV or hunter or shaman community keys with you come to do dungeons together. Birthday stream in 2 days ^^.

[toxic dome]

I add sound alert when timer is 4 or less, still barely 50%+ uptime, might switch to a visual bar timer type

Seems like im numb to sound 😄 except "BAM"

[fiery pendant]

is there a general consensus on what gems we want get for the annulet? or whether or not we will use it? not seen much around

[strong forum]

#promotion

[sick sentinel]

thats somewhat impressive if you can play mulitple tanks and time like i duno what content it is you do, guessing keys, guessing 16's to 20's or a heroic raiding

i can do most of the tanks too, but warrior has charge button, what else i need to say

[sick sentinel]

how to double your casts per minute

thats what the graph is below, it shows "actions per minute"

[frank dust]

what trinkets should i try on pte

ptr

[ionic roost]

The bomb one is good but idk if it's Str

[deep spruce]

Nah its agi

And it will get nerfed by about 60%

It's ridiculous atm

It does double the damage of grieftorch atm, at lower ilvl 😂

[frank dust]

wtf

the splinter seems strong

[fallow nova]

Ok so... I just got DC'd on my warrior while flying to the auction house as if I'd clipped into something, but I'm literally just mid air

And now I cannot log into that toon without immediately getting dc'd

Well it stopped kicking me out after logging into it for the 8th time

[frank dust]

the dragonfire bomb feels like ass in st

[clever token]

any idea why i have different action bars when i go into a dungeon?

[hardy snow]

are you using any ui addon?

[amber siren]

Maybe if you're swapping into your dungeon spec and you have 'shared action bars' unticked?

Or otherwise an addon thing

[hard dust]

what 4 pieces of set piece do we want?

[sick sentinel]

head chest legs shoulders for me

i skipped on hands

[amber siren]

Hands and chest don't have haste, so pick whichever one of the two slots is simming higher

Assuming equal ilvl

[lusty tiger]

Use the browser character unstuck on battle.net

[modest solar]

Struggling to tank crystal fury on azure vault, any tips?

just feels like they deal so much damage

[fresh igloo]

what's the problem? the piercing shards frontal?

[modest solar]

yeah pretty much

[fresh igloo]

storm bolt

shield charge

shockwave

intimidating shout

we have a lot of tools to stop those

[modest solar]

so basicly just cc them more

when they are casting

[fresh igloo]

stop the cast, yes.

if you are out of stops, shield wall?

[modest solar]

i just tanked all of them just now, using defensives like shield wall but that didnt feel sufficient

stunning them makes sense

[spare heron]

cc them you can do about 3

asking the group before hand to use some sort of cc

will help

[ocean prairie]

Guys should we make vexamus soak 1 orb? In what phase?

[slim dove]

After 2nd fissure iirc.

[dark lark]

Spell Block makes you feel immune to the piecing shards frontal

[modest solar]

should i take that one instead of tough as nails?

[dark lark]

I dunno what key level you're doing, but I usually take spell block in AV

[modest solar]

16 at 391ilvl so bit under geared to

[dark lark]

Nah thats doable

[modest solar]

yeah definietly doable

[dark lark]

Spell block really does feel way safer than having an extra 3% damage to your overall

[calm obsidian]

spell block gets huge use in AV

[hazy sluice]

I felt like spellblock was nearly never used before 20s ( except for temple and av) and now I always use it except for CoS

[dark lark]

I use it on ruby against the first boss in tyrannical too

[hazy sluice]

Yeah true

But before 20s u out geared alot

[dark lark]

I can get away without using spell block in academy too

[amber siren]

Spellblock will help with the initial casts but it won't save you if you're getting sloppy with stops and the DoT starts stacking, just keep that in mind

[hazy sluice]

Only thing missing is a bleed block, when Blizzard :^)

Yikes even on tyr week I got Kind of trucked by Just 2 stacks in av on a +23

Can live that No doubt, was Just surprised

[dark lark]

But halls, temple, ruby, azure all get value from spell block

You could kinda make an argument for NO and SBG but the things you would use spell block for are avoidable in other ways

[hazy sluice]

First Boss empowered Auto Hits

[dark lark]

I've been okay with just spell reflecting the first stack and then using my other CDs

And void slash I just kite or cc

[hazy sluice]

What Key lvl ?

[dark lark]

22-23s

[hazy sluice]

Hmm

[dark lark]

I got surprised by it the first time I attempted a 22 and just got globaled, never let it happen again

[hazy sluice]

I did a 24 and didnt want to know how IT Hurts without a def cd

[dark lark]

Yeah I always had demo or last stand or wall ready for it, especially since it's so infrequent because of spell queue

[hazy sluice]

I use Last stand only as a heal Kind of x)

Yeah its great If u SR and she does other shit before hitting u suddenly

[dark lark]

More often than not she gets one hit off then does her eclipse or summons the add

She very rarely gets all 3 hits off in a row lol

[leaden imp]

how is the annulet looking for Prot War? worth it ?

[ionic fern]

I dont think it's worth for any class.

[leaden imp]

I saw some buzz on the rogue discord(outlaw)

[violet flume]

i thougth annulet was supposed to be bis for everyone until 10.1

[leaden imp]

but reckon at least with current values the procs aren't better than secondaries

[oak echo]

They want it to be but it's pretty undertuned atm

[ionic fern]

In AoE it's definitely not worth for us.

If you have a ring that's..415..that would be better,.

[violet flume]

hmm was thinking of holding back from crafting 418 ring since annulet is coming

[ionic fern]

Well, there's always a chance that they will stealth buff the gems.

Or the procs

Etc.

[sullen gust]

In the spirit of the discussion, as someone kinda new to WoW in general I don't necessarily know how to eyeball if something would be any good. What would you say about the new crafted shield?

[ionic fern]

Which one?

[sullen gust]

The hellsteel impact buckler

I think its new for 10.0.7

[ionic fern]

Isn't that 10.1?

Maybe i'm wrong.

🤔

[timber wasp]

Hey guys if you could have one trink from m+ what would it be

[sullen gust]

Oh I might be wrong

[timber wasp]

Whetstone?

[sullen gust]

I guess I meant 10.1 then sorry boss 😅

[ionic fern]

Ya, whetstone is solid.

[ionic fern]

Just wait a bit to see if there's any tuning for the gems.

[timber wasp]

I've been farming CoS so much Im so done with it

no ring or trnk

[ionic fern]

Regardless..looks fine. Not sure what the PPM is.

[timber wasp]

I got puzzle box drop and was wondering how good it is

[fresh igloo]

as prot? not super great.

[timber wasp]

Thats a shame

[fresh igloo]

pretty BiS for fury

due to the way it lines up with cooldowns

but it doesn't really line up as well for prot and using it mid pull means you're channeling instead of blocking/parrying/dodging

[ionic fern]

Jeh, if you can channel it pre-pull it's fine.

But there are better trinkets out there.

[timber wasp]

Alright, I wont upgrade it then

Thats what I got rn

Trying to get ring/trink

[ocean prairie]

Decoration of flame / grieftorch can be nice alternatives to that 398 one while you wait for whetstone

[toxic solar]

fellas quick question

if I go into a raid with prot as my loot spec, but I'm fury, will the system let me need on prot gear or will it say it's offspec?

I find raid tanking to be the most boring thing imaginable but I want the totem from kurog

[mighty valley]

It only cares about your loot spec afaik

[toxic solar]

fuck

[mortal brook]

wait read wrong

[toxic solar]

oh

[mortal brook]

if you have prot loot spec, youll get prio on prot loot items

[toxic solar]

perfect ty

[sick sentinel]

worst key this week for 16 to 20?

i did SBG and HOV 16 this week, this is what i got now,

[limpid anchor]

This week every key is easy. Hardes prob av like every week

[sick sentinel]

https://tankingfornoobs.com/ lol

im just learning of this site now

[limpid anchor]

The gear list is even wrong

The stat prio doesn’t explain shit, kinda scuffed

[sick sentinel]

im thinking about trying COS again but i hate that dungeon

[mighty valley]

talent builds have barb training, throw the whole site away

[sick sentinel]

wheres taht stoip using BT guy

[mighty valley]

looks like he's moved onto The Frog Skip Is Stupid

[sick sentinel]

@warm plinth your old name services are needed once again to tell people to stop using BT, they haven't got the memo and there is some horrendously bad website a few pages up here.

[sterile bough]

av is the 3rd easiest key since first neft on boss hp

[mighty valley]

av routing requires some knowledge, you can't just hold W

therefore it's not in the easiest dungeons

although they just nerfed the timer so

maybe it really is free now

[sterile bough]

u acutaly can

[mighty valley]

the most straightforward routes are far from the most efficient

[strong forum]

but easier to execute

therefor less prone to failure

and almost ALL keys are timed if your DPS isnt whack and its a clean run

there are no mindbending routes required to time keys

almost all keys are just press W

[mighty valley]

i still think AV pre-nerf had a tighter timer than any other key with a straightforward route

haven't played it this week to feel the difference

[strong forum]

AV and TJS

[mighty valley]

yeah, and TJS doesn't really have tricks to speed it up

[toxic dome]

How long can you guys last on the tank dummy in valdrakken?

[real thunder]

Is there any resource that tells me if a boss ability is considered AoE so that i know avoidance is relevant? So for example in AV Azureblade's ArcaneCleave if avoidance will help with that.

[ocean prairie]

Whats the easiest route for AV around 20-21? I tried the frog skip and it isnt too bad (jump from the door on the 2 guys before 3rd boss) but is there am even easier one?

[junior mountain]

Hey ya'll i've never really tanked before, was wondering if there was ever a reason to use Whirlwind as Prot? Feel like revenge does basically the same thing but for slightly less damage and has a chance to be free

[ocean prairie]

You can remove whirlwind from the bars, its never used

[tidal quarry]

I’d say your current route is probably the easiest, especially if you’re pugging.

[junior mountain]

Nice ty

[ocean prairie]

Ok nice yeah im pugging mainly

[junior mountain]

How about execute? I feel like most of my rage should be going to ignore pain or other things right?

[tidal quarry]

I’m the same and at a similar level and always found this way to be fine.

[tidal quarry]

Execute can be nice, esp on tyran and in raids

[junior mountain]

But if i'm just tanking heroics to figure stuff out its not really needed?

[cloud umbra]

Extra rage should go to IP, otherwise revenge. Execute is good though

[tidal quarry]

Just gotta make sure not to rage starve yourself. And try weave some revenge in ti keep your prot 4pc up.

[tidal quarry]

You’ll be passing heroics by within no time at all :).

[misty coyote]

Yo does the HoV dog strat still work? with ranged on the stripper pole?

[mighty valley]

Keep execute on your bars, it is a button we press

[shell mortar]

Ranged stand on the pole, rest of the group close to them, meanwhile you go and pull all the dogs and tank them near the pole so ranged DPS can do dam and ranged healers can heal you

Just keep in mind both when the dogs are grouping up and after your CDs are over, just leap out and run, don't even touch them

Specially this week with raging

[coarse flower]

actually, is it realistically 60 seconds?

im looking at the timings on second boss RLP and I think I need double wall

[pallid quiver]

If you're playing well, yeah

It's like 60-70 seconds if in constant combat

[sharp steppe]

You don’t

[pallid quiver]

In fact, against RLP second boss, it's better to not take double wall as you'll have more wall coverage

[coarse flower]

did I just not SS enough? i technically need it up 2nd and 4th tank busters

but in my run it wasnt up for the 4th when i used on 2nd

[sick sentinel]

hunter dies to everything, evoker asks him to soothe it

hunter immediately drops on pace key

[sharp steppe]

Didnt u Time 26 Tyra?

[sick sentinel]

with only dying really him

[coarse flower]

i need to do 27 tyran and I need to take less dmg so my healer can do more dmg

[sharp steppe]

Idk I’m kinda „new“ to warrior but I oneshot 25 Tyra while having Wall every other tank mechanic

Never tested 26 but it shouldn’t change timings

[coarse flower]

ya the fight looks almost scripted, just like 1-2 seconds variance on every tank buster

[sick sentinel]

like legit there was no death in group at all hunter dies early, and then from there we kill first boss and its a shit show from there for him

[sharp steppe]

U have log for it? Maybe I can compare yours and mine

[sick sentinel]

heale mad at him whole time

[sharp steppe]

I mean I’m really not good at warrior, played it like 2-3 weeks, but I can try to compare it

[coarse flower]

they didnt log the 27, i can find the vod of the 27 we did (it bricked but I think with the route I fixed we can go faster and I can work on my dmg)

[sharp steppe]

U probably playing evoker or?

Prevoker*

[coarse flower]

resto druid

[sharp steppe]

Oh

That should be chill no?

[coarse flower]

1.12sec bark i think

[pallid quiver]

Logs are gonna be real important for this, so we can actually see how many casts we have coming out of what abilities

without having to like, manually count that shit

[coarse flower]

ill just timeline from the VOD everything that was used and type it out here

[pallid quiver]

If you have any other logs, those would still be even better than the VOD for this specific purpose

Since the main way SW comes up so often is from your rotation being done as optimally as possible

[sick sentinel]

i don't understand why people lose thier minds in a farm key lol

[coarse flower]

i might be 'afking' too much on the boss fight, the way we kill the adds the boss is kinda afk as it walks in

[sharp steppe]

My guess is that you’re just not SSing enough. That’s what would make the biggest difference for having wall back. It was kinda „close“
For me on 1 or 2 tank mechanics of Kokia but it was fine

[coarse flower]

pull(0.23) nothing
0.58 wall
1.28 dwarf
2.00 flourish; cheat
2.34 wall+last stand
3.08 nothing? almost died (spell block)
3.42 wall
4.15 bark
4.50 wall (LATE almost died)+spell block

so I definitely can't use nothing; im actually getting carried by my healer at that point

[sharp steppe]

The question is kinda how you behave during running out of circle and getting back to boss, do you always get the charge value for extra rage (= SW CDR due to AM) etc?

[coarse flower]

im charging the add that spawns, nothing else i think (ill backpedal and force the charge to work)

[sharp steppe]

Does it help you if I post my log?

[coarse flower]

yea

[sharp steppe]

Kk sure one sec

[pallid quiver]

I'm still glancing through; are those spell blocks for searing?

[coarse flower]

yeah, but thats 100% troll cause it does like nothing

[pallid quiver]

if so, searing's physical damage

spell block does nothing

[coarse flower]

yea

[pallid quiver]

yeah, at least ya know

[coarse flower]

my plan going into the boss was to wall every second, but i was thrown off and tried to save everything whereever possible when I couldnt use the wall on every second

[sharp steppe]

@coarse flower https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XADpYwLCHxJfWzB4#fight=4&type=casts&pull=12&source=2

1.0 casts/min

[sick sentinel]

are you guys team hate hunter or team love hunter

i more tend to like them and defend them rather than somebody else

[warm plinth]

I'm team indifferent to hunter

[sharp steppe]

Spell block helps you against the aoe but that’s it kinda, yeah

[sick sentinel]

i feel like they get way too much flak

[sharp steppe]

You should 100% be able to get Wall every other, might be a bit sketch sometimes. But I think I got it on that log

[torpid junco]

Is there any online guide that gives an m plus walk through of how to handle each dungeon ?

[dapper venture]

Naowh has some, Lepan has posted some too

[coarse flower]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XADpYwLCHxJfWzB4#fight=4&type=casts&pull=12&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%24256801161.0.0.Warrior%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24871^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24casts%241%240.0.0.Any%24189232.0.0.Boss%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24372858&source=2

yeah you did

man I really wish I had my own pov or log for this key, im not sure why my wall CD is so scuffed

[sharp steppe]

Hmmm yeah that’s weird, like I’m far away from optimising my stuff (I’m VDH main since idk how many years of suffering). And it was usually fine. I struggled mostly with First Boss until I noticed i need to hold SR for Chillstorms

[dapper venture]

Are u noticing capping rage? That’ll do it.. other than that its just getting all shield slams

[sharp steppe]

But maybe u need to use cooldowns/rage generator cooldowns after you press your first wall?

Not sure tho

[coarse flower]

actually could be that

im kinda 'building' up rage to send on IP's for each searing blow

[pallid quiver]

yeah no

literally not that

anything but that

IP is your oGCD rage dump, only to be used to enable yourself to not cap on rage and to prepare for tankbusters you would not live without; Searing Blows is a bleed, so you can build the IP as it gets taken down during the entire bleed

So you pay no attention to it and instead just play as usual

Using IP this way is both a damage and survival increase, since your rage economy is better, leading to more shield walls, and you press Revenge a bit more, leading to more SS resets and making you, overall, more rage positive

If you ever hit cap rage for any reason, that's a huge play mistake

[dapper venture]

I thought u disagreed with me for a second i was like 🤨 But yea 100% capping rage is detrimental

[pallid quiver]

You can actually see this a lot better in logs in general, which is why it would've been nice if we could have some logs for this purpose

Yeah, I was disagreeing with the pooling of rage for IP

Yeah, you seem to be pressing too much IP if this character is you:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Dt8GjrhyAkd6JfqY#fight=16&type=casts&source=122

[coarse flower]

too much?

[sharp steppe]

@coarse flower I compared Range overcap from your 26 and my 25 (exact same killtime) and you overcapped „slightly“ more rage (irrelevant angle) (you 105, me 65). You even SS more than me. It doesn’t have to mean that you did exactly the same in 27 ofc but that means that It should be fine in theory

The only difference I see is (atleast in 26) you charged twice

[pallid quiver]

Compare this to Sense's CPM breakdown in a 25
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QXWL3wYnzkBtH2gj#fight=13&type=casts&source=173

[sharp steppe]

What is a huge rage gain difference to me charging 10x

[pallid quiver]

first off, he's got the ultimate CPM pad in Squeak, which is like a 500% performance booster

But secondly, he's got like twice as many casts of Revenge per minute

[coarse flower]

yea hes got double my revenge cast

yea

[pallid quiver]

And only like 2 less casts per minute of IP

He's also got almost a whole extra cast of SS per minute, too

I don't know if you did this in the 27, but you're probably hard locked into going Def Stance for every Searing Blows bleed at that point, so you'll want to make sure you're doing that

[coarse flower]

Ya I didn’t bother stance swapping; just sat dstance

[pallid quiver]

Also, you can parry stacks of the bleed, so keep an eye if you do that. If you get lucky enough to parry 2 or even, heavens bless you, all three, you don't need any CDs for that

Other things based on this log I found, not sure how old it is, but you can probably get some more use out of your CDs overall in the dungeon. Last stand was only used 6 times overall, Rally 5 times,

So can probably coordinate a few of those and maybe able to use Rally selfishly a bit more

It would depend on your route and group's pacing, though, so you'll need to look

[coarse flower]

yea good idea, ill talk to my healer when hes back - i think apart from using rally on thunder dragon, destroyer (overlap with someone getting cast on) or channeler at end of key they dont really need

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it's not really that amazing for personal use, but it's something at least

You're at least not wasting much rage at all, but you're not generating as much as you could be, likely from the low Revenge casts

Another thing to remember is that Imp Wall increases the rage gen of SS, as well,

so your general survivability and damage go up

I think the best thing to do for next time around is to rebuild some muscle memory at the dummies to reorient yourself to use Revenge more and to catch those SS resets, while remembering to send Outbursts on SS, and get used to getting Shield Wall back as fast as possible so you can reliably have it for every other searing cast

Having a reliable CD rotation will probably get you through the fight, since you can make sure to spread LS and IV around when you need it and make your damage intake a lot more predictable and easy to set up healing for

[dense ledge]

has anyone here had a cos run this week, with no incidents and butt pulls?

[pallid quiver]

I never have a run without butt pulls

[dense ledge]

wanted to try this route and did a 20 and 21 and not once was I able to do it as planned

[pallid quiver]

The real question is if I have a run without someone deciding for fighting two of the minibosses at once before second boss

pug life is interesting

[dense ledge]

that's always turbo spicy

cos always delivers

[ocean prairie]

guys what phial are you all using for m+?

[dense ledge]

vers

[pallid quiver]

Eye of the Storm's probably best overall

glacial fury's decent for damage if you're low geared from what I remember early on, but might as well grab eye in most cases still

[ocean prairie]

mm nice i am using the ice one

glacial fury

[pallid quiver]

i'm using whatever i have mats for at the immediate time since i'm alch and i can't be arsed to go too hard at this point

[dense ledge]

I just put points in the alch tree and phials last forever now

which is nice since vers and eye of the storm are both air phials

[coarse flower]

does sense have vods I can watch?

[pallid quiver]

I believe he has a Youtube channel he uploads to

https://www.youtube.com/c/SenseNurfed

Not the most commonly updated at this immediate timeframe, but

[pallid quiver]

damn

apparently going to waterspeaker mari ain't the play in levelling temple

gets people fucking pissed