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uneven mason
pallid quiver
You lose on SB uptime with dropping ED iirc
modern brook
you get sb uptime by taking bolster
pallid quiver
But you get gaps is what I mean
modern brook
- higher stat budget -> more haste
pallid quiver
I think it was Nome mentioning it?
pallid quiver
Since Enduring carries SB uptime real hard
But I could be wrong, I don't know how much stat we're getting
uneven mason
But you get gaps is what I mean
Only get gap with flipperhand monkey button slapping
Takes us back to sl SB management
tropic gorge
And now, I'm thinking of batman returns
When penguin bites the nose off the dude in the building for his mayor campaign
urban bane
wait but with HR we just SS twice and that's the value of Enduring met, right? though I guess it is a tighter sb window from the get go.
patent gorge
I planned on testing things with not taking enduring defenses.
I really do love spell block. lol
Would hate to give it up
lavish oracle
I think there are a bunch of keys in the new dungeon pool where spell block gets almost no value
urban bane
I mean I'm even just thinkin about tough as nails
indigo gulch
what the best pot to use in m+ now?
lavish oracle
Like I can't think of a use for it at all for it in Freehold, UR, or Neltharion's
solar sandal
question about p1 rasz mythic. do you guys wait for the breath to start to get back into position after winds in p1? also do you guys also just get melee'd halfway through the breath after your charge/leaps for like 400k? any help with this would be great lol. getting dumpstered
jagged pier
the boss shouldnt be moving
solar sandal
monk
jagged pier
in any winds
solar sandal
the boss isnt moving
jagged pier
and u shouldnt be taking breath
solar sandal
and im not getting hit by breath
we're at the edge like normal, breath starts, we get behind, we get blown, boss breaths after the winds end and we go back to the edge
patent gorge
Are you talking about the hurricane winds?
solar sandal
charging during the winds or leaping during the winds is getting me melee'd half the time for absurd damage even with shield block up
yes
solar sandal
yeah that's what i'm doing
and getting melee'd =/
either at the end of my charge
or mid leap
while winds hurricane winds are still going
jagged pier
well if your getting meleed for 400k that pretty much says u dont have block up when u think u do
i never had a problem ither
unless i didnt have block up
patent gorge
Yeah I would say make sure shield block is up and sit in D Stance if there is an issue. Even when I tank with debuff I dont get hit that hard
Do you have a log we can look at?
jagged pier
i mean as u stop dps in P1 most likely anyway
solar sandal
yeah hold im trying to find the ones
jagged pier
u might as well be in Dstance
cerulean tusk
If you ge autoed that hard, you got the tank debuff on yourself. That or you play guardian outside bearform 
patent gorge
I really only used D stance in P1 for the charges damage with SR to help the healers but with that nerf I just use SR now
solar sandal
i've swapped to d stance in our later pulls and going forward for repositioning
even getting hit with jaws in bstance is like
just not that bad
it's just the transition
sometimes i dont have block up and i get hit hard and i get that obviously
started trying to focus more on that later and was just getting domed anyway
mid winds
in that log there, i THINK block is up looking at the death log
but i got annihilated
jagged pier
yer but your at half hp
solar sandal
yeah we talked to our healers about maybe not letting us be at half all the time 🤣
but the hit was still for ~500k
mid winds i charged and took a hit for ~240k too
which is why i was at half
i guess i was just checking if anyone does anything there besides make sure shield block is up
jagged pier
u arent like leaping behind her front hitbox are u
so u technically get hit in the back?
solar sandal
i am not sure
if you get crit, what does it say on the log?
i had considered that and tried to leap not as far
to avoid that specifically
patent gorge
Remember her Hitbox is HUGE
jagged pier
im almost certain that isnt a thing unless u show your back
solar sandal
often times i just get hit mid air
jagged pier
like behind under her is like actually being behind her
solar sandal
that could be it
jagged pier
u dont need to be behind her legs to be pushed backwards
solar sandal
i couldnt tell if it was crits on details or in the logs
well it's always after push
im not getting hit for my entire health bar pre-push
it's during the leap back or w/e
i've started waiting for her to start the breath cast to move to be safer
as i dont THINK it matters if i wait since she still doesnt move
rose sonnet
What do you drop to take intervene?
jagged pier
u dont?
rose sonnet
Isn't it nice for HoV?
jagged pier
its okay
pugs seems like its required
if u have too u drop like pain and gain or bounding stride or sidearm
slim dove
You drop another QOL talent but it's generally not worth
It has 1 specific use case in HOV
sick sentinel
i don't super miss when not having bounding
but it is really nice effect to have
one thing is its good for zug zug, like say after wise mari, leaper to the hallway, and then double bonus MS to next boss trash, you already get some MS after killing boss
Im not mad if i don't have it though
solar sandal
or you just like...
sick sentinel
intervene kinda
modern brook
Amh
dusky canopy
Can HR+Bolster+SC get us 100% uptime?
I initially thought dropping ED was the play but nom was saying it wasn’t have things changed at all?
dusky canopy
Drop HR and ED!?
urban portal
drop HR turn it into ITF
dusky canopy
Maybe in raid yeah
urban portal
and play ED
urban portal
whats spb
dusky canopy
Man that’s A LOT of ST though?
urban portal
you have to pick and choose
dusky canopy
Right so
dusky canopy
Can HR+Bolster+SC get us 100% uptime?
^
urban portal
that requires some more in depth math
dusky canopy
Maybe stat pool in season 2 will help itf
urban portal
and maybe sims
pallid quiver
Yeah, I'm really not worrying about it until we figure out if Bolster is even worth grabbing
Like, if it turns out tough as nails does nore damage than increase uptime on tier buffs
dusky canopy
That’s true it might not even be worth
That will honestly be pretty sad though
I think I heard in one of the interviews they didn’t want to lock people into talents with the tier set so maybe that’s true
modern brook
Yeah they're uhh not doing that this teir lmao
dusky canopy
modern brook
Like 16 of the sets are just "your under used talents are now big strong :D"
urban bane
yeah i think that was a design intention of the first tier sets IIRC
modern brook
Frost dk got frostwyrm fury support like lmao
You know the secret 3rd brother of frost dk builds
dusky canopy
yeah i think that was a design intention of the *first* tier sets IIRC
You’re probably right on this
dusky canopy
Seems weird that a last stand focused tier set might not use last stand talents though or at least one of them lol
urban portal
there are also like 5 tiers that FORCES you to take a talent
dusky canopy
What flask do I use?
Eye of the storm aoe tepid Vers st
urban portal
enh shaman forces you to take sundering
modern brook
Destro demands channel demon fire
odd tree
arms forces you to put slam back on your bars
dusky canopy
Yeah I don’t like that about arms at all
waxen orbit
Eye of the storm aoe tepid Vers st
That sounds like multiple different flasks
dusky canopy
Me trying to like that spec this season is just failing hard idk
waxen orbit
I'm coming back after a 9 month break
modern brook
That sounds like multiple different flasks
:Peepostudy:
dusky canopy
That sounds like multiple different flasks
“Tepid Vers” “Eye of the Storm”
urban portal
its bis for DPS specs
odd tree
same, got happy not having to press slam
dusky canopy
dusky canopy
At least I main Prot and can still off spec fury
Hoping arms changes some how later this expact
Chances are it won’t though
dusky canopy
same, got happy not having to press slam
I actually liked arms a lot when it was just MS, Slam, Op, Rend for single target
Way more complex now
That’s the zugzug brain in me Lul
dusky canopy
You get onslaught now that’s cool
Just the right amount of rotational buttons imo
4-5
odd tree
sry, RB., rampage, RB, rampage, onslaught, rampage
modern brook
This guy isn't using execute smh
odd tree
nope, never execute
empty crater
Can someone tell me if Battle-Scarred Veteran is still bugged?
cinder storm
Can someone tell me if Battle-Scarred Veteran is still bugged?
Always been
I've heard you don't execute as arms, I've played it a bit on baby keys, but I just press things
empty crater
oh okay
cinder storm
I like arms a bit more than fury, less zug zug but still zug zug
odd tree
when i dps broodkeeper it's CDs line up really well with add packs
always have something ready
dusky canopy
The homies are always like bro how can you play Prot so well but you can’t handle arms it’s literally less buttons
But it still just feels so ass to me can’t dig it
Fury is the way
It’s actually really cool though that fury excels in some keys but arms excels in others
Definitely good for people who can play both
odd tree
i need to run more keys as fury, people mostly using the onslaught build?
odd tree
guess i could just go to fury channel 
cinder storm
i forgor we have more channels other than prot 💀
lusty tiger
tepid raptor
what do you guys sim for?
jagged pier
well u only sim for damage
tropic gorge
Sims? You guys Sim?
sick sentinel
is the new tier set looking to be good?
mighty valley
it makes us want to press LS on cd, otherwise doesn't change much and tuning is tbd
seems fun enough though, doing blast waves from SS
sick sentinel
i also sim for transmog
sick sentinel
it makes us want to press LS on cd, otherwise doesn't change much and tuning is ...
thank you
wooden widget
Evoker tank spec datamined?
toxic pewter
Going to be a 'support' spec, help other do dam and have enemies take more dam
tropic gorge
Lmao
Evoker should have gotten tank instead of heal imo.
In my view there are less tanks than healers available
mighty valley
What's even been confirmed about the evoker spec
tropic gorge
Some people in lfg have told me they have waited upward of 30m waiting for a tank
mighty valley
In any case, after the initial popularity wave of bad tanks, adding more tank specs won't make tanking more popular
tropic gorge
Nah tanking and healing are the "responsible" rolls
Maybe it's cause I tank, but I think healing is probably the most responsible roll. And most people will naturally avoid it in favor of the ease of dps
mighty valley
People have anxiety about tanking and healing for reasons that are baked into how the game works and the responsibilities you have
It's not anything to do with the playstyles or themes or anything
tropic gorge
If a tank messes up, he and or she can ruin a run. Same for healers
If a dps messes up, oh well
I do too tbh
mighty valley
Right, so how would evokers getting a tank spec change anything
tropic gorge
We seem to have a fairly decent balance between the tanks
Well, my opinion is thst making evoker dps and heal, didn't help the issues with long lfg queues. That's all
I think the mistake was not having an evoker do dps and tank
mighty valley
yeah i'm with mooman that after like, the first week, having evokers tank instead of heal wouldn't change anything in lfg queues
odd tree
agree, most folks dont tank because they dont like the pressure that comes with the role
toxic pewter
im about to tank the first boss for 10.1
mighty valley
A lot of it is just... people don't want to be the person in front, leading the way
cloud umbra
a lot of brutal mechanics for tanks this go around
mighty valley
they wanna hide in the crowd and only be seen if they do good, not bad
dusky canopy
Tbf guys tanks are incredibly strong right now
Healing is currently the hardest role
dusky canopy
Tanks have a lot of responsibility witch makes it intimidating but it’s not exactly “hard”
odd tree
except maybe shammies due to acid rain
and the occasional disc priest that knows what they're doing
dusky canopy
they wanna hide in the crowd and only be seen if they do good, not bad
It’s just in there head, just about any “bad player” in the crowd stands out like a sore thumb doesn’t matter what role
tropic gorge
and the occasional disc priest that knows what they're doing
The most rare of the rare
Disc in general lol
dusky canopy
I get to run with a disc priest he’s usually doing 25-35k depends on key level
Tbf it’s mostly trinkets
cinder storm
Disc is dead next season if they don't change tier
cinder storm
I also run with a disc and even though I respect people who play what they enjoy, it's also a drag on places where evoker presses two skills and is doing insane AOE or healing
dusky canopy
Oh absolutely
He’s sweating bullets in a key where like you said a Evoker or Druid would be singing and dancing lol
cinder storm
Yeah, and unfortunately it also limits what classes you can pug in most weeks
tropic gorge
My disc priest friend doesn't play often and stays in baby keys
dusky canopy
Right Prot/disc leaves fewer options gotta have brez gotta have lust
tropic gorge
Priest War is the og combo and I like running it when possible
dusky canopy
Same same
tropic gorge
Which isn't often. I hardly see priests at all in lfg
worldly parrot
hey
tropic gorge
Well, healers. I've started seeing more sp as I get higher
dusky canopy
Pi can be popular in higher keys
cinder storm
Going with a priest is kinda doing a key in hard mode
static aspen
Why take priest when rdruid/evoker exist
worldly parrot
so im having a hard time getting a 1 handed weapon so i can try prot, i was wondering if a crafted one would be an ok option for now?
cinder storm
They can heal don't get me wrong, but on the utility department...
worldly parrot
if i can find someone with a good blacksmithing
dusky canopy
so im having a hard time getting a 1 handed weapon so i can try prot, i was wond...
Yes
dusky canopy
They’re all the same
tropic gorge
so im having a hard time getting a 1 handed weapon so i can try prot, i was wond...
Yeah the 1h crafted sword is pretty good
dusky canopy
Crit/haste missive
worldly parrot
ok ty
topaz leaf
how do you delay vexamus casts so it desynchs? do I have to let multiple orbs through?
strong forum
after 2nd fissure i believe you gotta let 2 orbs go through
reef holly
Maybe it's cause I tank, but I think healing is probably the most responsible ro...
Tank is the giga chad role
strong forum
I'd say currently healer is the most impactful role in DF dungeons
slim dove
Yeah the diff between a bad healer and good healer makes the key
crimson olive
does being fury starved only a thing while leveling
sick sentinel
and if you don't heal it, you die and you fail
strong forum
does being fury starved only a thing while leveling
Kinda, yes
crimson olive
sweet cuz it hella sucks low leve
strong forum
Once you unlock shield charge + battering ram, ravager, avatar and unstoppable force
The class will play alot faster
crimson olive
nice ty
strong forum
It's among the fastest specs in the game
crimson olive
im comming from prot pally and i was like damn this is a snoozefest haha
crimson olive
ill check ur builds nvm
slim dove
im comming from prot pally and i was like damn this is a snoozefest haha
Idk if you'll find war much better tbh
pallid quiver
ill check ur builds nvm
We use rend, but only through blood and thunder
So once you have the points for it, you can have it entirely off your bars
valid oar
I struggle to survive +20 Jade Liu
Any rota suggestions on cooldowns with a heal pally?
crimson olive
ohhh nice u dont even need to cast rend lol
lime urchin
Any rota suggestions on cooldowns with a heal pally?
Tell your dps to do more dps, shield wall first, last stand / demo 2nd, maybe a lil healer CD on the 3rd, use a healthpot, pump so rage into IP, etc etc. But also, tell your dps, to do more dps.
Also, see pins, and tell your dps to do more dps
strong forum
I've never died to the dot on that boss, only when I run into the fucking wave cuz I'm braindamaged
olive holly
I'm sure it's been asked, but I cannot find it anywhere. I have a new alt prot warrior and am looking for the best 5 things to spend sparks on
strong forum
Shield. Weapon, lariat, ring + whatever 2nd embellishment you wanna run
Most people run belt cuz of fire rings
uneven mason
Fire rings fun
olive holly
Shield. Weapon, lariat, ring + whatever 2nd embellishment you wanna run
Shield of hearth not worth the 2nd embellishment I'd assume?
strong forum
Nop
It's nothing special
Just a shield with terrible stat combo and a super mediocre proc
olive holly
and we are good with the stat prio of;
haste
versatility
crit/mastery
strong forum
Ilvl >> haste > crit/vers > mastery
No stats are bad, but if you have the choice to not pick a vers/mastery item, you take it
olive holly
word. thank you for your help
sick sentinel
ran HOV 16, only didnt time because "you were in melee of the odyn add and didnt kick it." + close ot many spears, i had told them before the fight started we need to kick that add
i was attempting to get odyn away from the new spears at this point, i bolted him and then the shaman used theiir shear,
deep spruce
You should probably get another couple of details windows
dark lark
Does anybody remember how to get the double reflect on Underrot's 1st boss + add? I forgot the timing of interrupts/stuns to make their casts line up
uneven mason
Are you literally clicking on a hotbar
strong forum
Does anybody remember how to get the double reflect on Underrot's 1st boss + add...
Dotn kick first adds cast
sick sentinel
lets find out
strong forum
Should line naturally for both
sick sentinel
i dunno why i clicked it, but apparently yes i didt, avatar is one i didn't think i did
dark lark
Should line naturally for both
I have to be the closest melee for the add's cast to go on me right? Or else it goes on a random party member?
I guess I could pre-throw a ravager now
Server tick and all that
strong forum
There's a grace period I think
Before it starts casting
Haven't done UR in a few years so I'm a little rusty
dark lark
Yeah we all are 🙂
strong forum
But add doesn't matter much
Just kick add, and prio reflect on boss
Since boss doesn't go out of control with add spawns anymore
Unlike s1
sick sentinel
you guys don't remember the horrors of undersuck
vocal bison
Affix skip was really nice for that one.
sick sentinel
the problem with underrot is every trash pack and boss has a high probability of going south
final boss a ton of people don't understand how it works
uneven mason
Haven't done UR in a few years so I'm a little rusty
Moldy
uneven mason
the problem with underrot is every trash pack and boss has a high probability of...
Ticks during bursting
sick sentinel
you guys will see just how gross undersuck really was
uneven mason
You just expected to have two tpk at minimum in UR
sick sentinel
paladins get to have fun in that dungeon though
chilly pulsar
What contributes to pushing higher IPs?
I tried stacking Mastery but no dice
Raw STR seems to help, but I max at 149k
mighty valley
it's based on attack power and vers
but honestly that value doesn't matter much
certainly not enough to encourage stacking vers
sick sentinel
"Lightforged Draenei, Worgen, and Goblin races have learned how to harness their Chi and can now become Monks."
..... okay....
mighty valley
honestly i'd be fine with them opening up basically all race/class combos
we've got tauren rogues, anything is possible
chilly pulsar
it's based on attack power and vers
Why then the guide encourages Vers as top 2 secondary and why I see some Warriors going up to 23% vers?
mighty valley
wowhead is outdated, vers and crit are roughly equivalent
noble wind
Why then the guide encourages Vers as top 2 secondary and why I see some Warrior...
Im at like 30% haste & 21% vers
chilly pulsar
If Prots are just ilevel over everything I might just focus on gearing Fury since I'm lacking tons of Mastery
sick sentinel
we've got tauren rogues, anything is possible
this is the line of thinking that leads to gnome paladins
mighty valley
and then if you're up at like....+26 you can justify more vers to take the edge off stuff that basically one-shots you but stat spread just doesn't matter that much to us
sick sentinel
and undead palad ins
one annoying AF in PVP, the other an abombination of wow lore
chilly pulsar
Im at like 30% haste & 21% vers
Yeah I'm going for 30% haste for sure, without the talent. But for the rest I pretty much am in doubt. Sims favor Crit for Dungeonslice
mighty valley
you can go really far as a tank gearing for fury tbh, go for it if you play dps a lot
chilly pulsar
Speaking of talent: is there a even score for Heavy Repercussions vs Into the Fray?
sick sentinel
i would play undead paladin though, i even thought about playing undead warrior cuz undead best transmog race
mighty valley
and undead palad ins
we have undead priests, why not undead paladins
noble wind
Yeah I'm going for 30% haste for sure, without the talent. But for the rest I pr...
I don't have a dedicated healer, so i go vers on purpose to kinda offeset the average IQ of pug heals.
It also helps in raid a progression a little IMO
chilly pulsar
and then if you're up at like....+26 you can justify more vers to take the edge ...
Lol I'm not pushing +26. I just wanted my timed 20s but it's hard pugging on my server. People hate Azralon in general
sick sentinel
because, we had this conversation beforre here
and i cant remember the exact reason but i will try
mighty valley
Lol I'm not pushing +26. I just wanted my timed 20s but it's hard pugging on my ...
lol, one fake reason to gear vers is because the ignorant community still thinks high vers is required to survive at +20
sick sentinel
it was some shit about, a priest only uses the light, and the paladin is the light
chilly pulsar
+20 is all about knowing stuff. People are body pulling on +18s
Headbutting meteors on RLP
mighty valley
all lore is made up, people can justify ever race/class combo in their headcanon, it's fine
sick sentinel
and so it would destroy them by virtue that they are paladins and paladins hunt undead
mighty valley
+20 is all about knowing stuff. People are body pulling on +18s
100%
chilly pulsar
That is why I don't get +20 on time
I'm geared as hell
I'll take that advice. If I'm not pushing into stuff that instakillme I'll gear Fury
Which is hardly the case. I accept my Casual status
mighty valley
Hah, I mean, casual is relative
mighty valley
most wow players don't even touch m+
mighty valley
yeah, it's just the answer for "why are these warriors in these high logs going out of their way to stack vers," not that their reasoning is actually correct
chilly pulsar
There's a tank on a guild I was watching a friend that he stacked 23%
They just did CE
mighty valley
The parry from crit is a little less valuable in raid I guess
but overall again, it's just ilvl > *
"vers is the required tank stat" is just a meme that's spread far and wide
simple jewel
Trying to do the prot mage tower. Anyone else have issues of Varis' Mind Rend cast dealing 30-40% of their hp per cast? On guides it seems to hit ~1k maybe, I'm getting trucked for 4k+
tropic gorge
so i set 2 key binds on my mouse for stance dancing. it's been many, many years since ive had to do that
it feels so weird now
warm plinth
You don't need to have 2 keybinds; there's a macro in the pins to toggle between them
tropic gorge
i have plenty of extra buttons
crimson olive
anyone play dh tank yet this xpac? ive leveled all tanks to 60 now besides dh
warm plinth
Trying to do the prot mage tower. Anyone else have issues of Varis' Mind Rend ca...
Well I have a couple of thoughts. Either it's not actually doing 4k and you're just taking the hit with stacks of the aura, or they scaled it to 4k when they redid it for Dragonflight
crimson olive
warrior took off at level 40ish and its my fav so far but gotta try dh now
tropic gorge
ive been considering lvling up my dk
warm plinth
You can pass right on by DH
tropic gorge
dk tanking is kinda fun, or was when i did it in sl
warm plinth
They are ass. Blizzard's abandoned stepchild
crimson olive
is this a good name for my dh tank then? https://gyazo.com/c8f858616f3da6cc091e8f23ec1365e6
warm plinth
Probably
To be clear, you can tank shit with them. But there's nothing fun about them. They've needed a revamp basically since they were created.
They're low APM, they're clunky, you can accidentally consume your soul fragments because twitching one pixel will pick them up
And they're the only tank that can't have their main mitigation up (which is shit mitigation even with 4 talents modifying it) at all times
crimson olive
i hate that im forced belf
warm plinth
And that is obviously the worst part
crimson olive
ima give them a try cuz its the last one to level up
but i wont have high expectations
spell reflect is my favorite skill out of all the tanks tho
verbal viper
anyone know how to use warcraftlog's website to view which tanks have the highest dps in keys? I saw a graph in a youtube video but can't figure out how to do it
cinder nova
Isn't VDH supposed to play like a weird blend between bear and DK insofar that you have poor mit but it's just enough to keep yourself from getting glocked?
And then you reactively slap stuff to top yourself with fragments
crimson olive
from what i remember in shadowlands was kiting = mitigation haha
cinder nova
Thank god that shit is gone.
verbal viper
truth
warm plinth
And then you reactively slap stuff to top yourself with fragments
They're supposed to rely on having CDs to fill in the gaps between spikes but the problem is that a.) spikes is weak, and b.) one of their main mitigation tools is for some stupid reason applied to an individual target instead of on themselves. Which means that in trash packs they either pick a mob to mitigate from, or they have to wait for it to spread every 2 seconds to the other mobs and hope they don't die in the meantime, and it doesn't mitigate environmental damage at all. Like the spec is really cool in theory but it just executes really really poorly. There's a reason that their best gameplay existed when they just didn't need to use demon spikes a lot of the time (in Legion) because their self healing was actually good enough to sustain them, at least in AoE.
pallid quiver
ghash changed avatars i'm going to riot now
warm plinth
I got it commissioned. Do you like it?
pallid quiver
It's good and funny, but it's new and different and, as a WoW player, I am conditioned and contractually obligated to lash out in fear and anger
warm plinth
That is perfectly understandable
toxic pewter
Wild they gave paladins 2 guaranteed raid spots
cinder nova
Raid spot deez nuts on they chins
dense coral
Do I want a Frost proc on my Lariat or an AIR proc? Vers vs Haste Proc
warm plinth
Doesn't matter really. Haste/crit/vers is all fine. I prefer haste heavy gems to have more static vers and let it proc crit
more static haste rather
hybrid gust
no warrior change in 10.0.7, is that a good or bad thing?
warm plinth
A good thing
jaunty sierra
yes
toxic pewter
no change in 10.1 either
crude notch
2-3 months left of 10.1 ptr, so yeah still plenty of time for changes.
rain light
give leap 2 charges
heavy coral
Aha yes
sick sentinel
give it the torgast AOE effect
mighty valley
not a lot happened to us and we seem to be out of the crosshairs now
can't ask for a better outcome after being SSS tier on every silly tier list
sick sentinel
so, okay
if i run hov again, and then the add spawns deep into the spears...... what do, i j ust run to the open part and let the team range interupt it? maybe i sit it with a storm bolt on first cast?
cuz, i ran into the spears, regardless that they were middle and the team got gibbed by the spear balls and surge cast
viral elk
violet flume
titanforged, sockets are cool and all, but gear full of tiertiary stats is where its at
rain light
if i run hov again, and then the add spawns deep into the spears...... what do, ...
Wait until you get pulled, charge to it, kick, walk out of circle
It will come with you, if it casts again in circle can stun it
languid light
^ this is the way
reef holly
Wait until you get pulled, charge to it, kick, walk out of circle
This is what I do. When the add is spawned I just run away from Odyn, get pulled back, then charge/pummel the add
last mason
rough delta
New to Prot warrior. Is there any way (maybe through talent) to keep shield block up 100% of time?
dusky mica
Take Enduring Defenses, Heavy Repercussions, Shield Charge talents.
spring summit
dusky mica
The actual tip is play your character. Basically you need to generate enough rage to keep up block while using ignore pain to cover the bleed damage.
When things look dicey or you feel you're falling behind, do something about it.
Either use a CD for defense, or use something that boosts rage gen so you can spam more shit.
amber siren
press buttons on keyboard
dusky mica
You need to take the least damage possible over the whole fight. The healer has to deal with whatever is left over.
stray gazelle
Anyone first thought on the tier set bonus for prot war?
I consider it A+ making out most used button a even stronger button
10.1 tier set Bonus I’m asking
dusky mica
The ptr set?
Seems a bit beans in terms of gameplay. ie turning LS into a dps button again. No idea about power level tbh.
oak echo
i like that it should make LS feel like a good button to press again. and probably encourages some change-up in talents without having to make a ton of tree changes
which to me is part of the appeal of tier sets to begin with
digital nebula
anyone got a few minutes to spare?
warm plinth
What do you need?
digital nebula
I'm trying to figure out what trinkets I should be using. I have 10 different ones but haven't gotten the Icon yet so I'm not sure which ones that I do have that I should be using.
warm plinth
For what content?
reef holly
For AV- I've been tanking the purple dragon straight behind him, leaping up on the wall, and staying there the whole time. Is this what everyone does? Just had a huntard question the strat.
digital nebula
mostly mythic+
warm plinth
For AV- I've been tanking the purple dragon straight behind him, leaping up on t...
This is a really bad idea now that the orbs don't move. You should be moving him around the room keeping his side to the wall. Move him after each orb spawn.
warm plinth
mostly mythic+
You shouldn't be concerned about icon if you're mostly doing keys, unless you run with a fixed group who all have it
They do but they just do like, little circles in one spot
They don't follow people anymore
reef holly
oh wow- when did they change that?
warm plinth
Uh...either last reset or the one before?
reef holly
ah going to change my strat then
digital nebula
In the group i normally run with at least one of them have icon
warm plinth
But if you keep him in one spot you're basically making people try to deal with all the orbs while trying to get to the fragments to kill them
idk it's not likely that it's worth running icon unless you have all 3
reef holly
Got it- huntard was right in this case
warm plinth
But in any case, what trinkets do you actually have, and what ilevel
cloud umbra
23 jade temple priest doesnt have mass dispell talented
please kill me
you cant win with pugging
warm plinth
👀
digital nebula
Hoof is at 415, Whetstone is 392decoration of flame is 402, ruby is 402, grifetorch is 398, spiteful storm is 398, enduring scale is 376, dragon games equipment is 376, big toe is 379, gift of radiance is 395. All are upgradeable except for grifetorch, storm, flame, and ruby
warm plinth
Hoof and whetstone
digital nebula
cool, i'll work on upgrading the whetstone then. Thanks!
mortal brook
round pendant
that's like the opposite of most opinions I've heard
most say 2pc meh 4pc cool
I hope they don't pussy out and actually make the aoe do the full SS damage
split orchid
well, last stand is now a ST cd and I'll use it on pull lol, just pair it with bolster and we g2g
violet flume
wonder if 2p will make it worth to pick the last stand -60s talent
not a huge fan of making defensive CDs an offensive CDs, especially when we already have one but oh well
split orchid
probably, 33% off cd for a 15% buff in our main ST ability paired with some SB uptime is cool
will need to see the sims tho
compact hawk
Im currently using 4 Verse/haste gems. and a thunderous (haste/verse) ring. Would I see much dps increase swapping to all crit/haste gems and a crafted crit/haste ring?
sitting at 21 crit 26 haste 20 verse right now
warm plinth
No idea. Simming would be the way to figure that out.
warm plinth
Yeah if you don't already have all of the items
compact hawk
Yeah don't have them yet. Trying to decide before I have the ring made.
violet flume
You can run droptimizer and run professions and itll give you whats your biggest damage increase
like that
warm plinth
yeah but not really worth doing if he's just wanting to compare a couple of items. Droptimizers take a lot longer
violet flume
fair enough
surprised inscription trinkets are faring slightly better, i have 415 whetstone and 421 hoof
compact hawk
It looks like it would be about a 1600 dps gain. What are the best simulation options to put. Its simming at 107k dps and I dont average half that.
warm plinth
It looks like it would be about a 1600 dps gain. What are the best simulation op...
Link the sim
107k is probably like 5 targets 1 min or something like that
compact hawk
your right. re running with dungeon slice
warm plinth
Don't run with dungeon slice
We do not have a proper APL for dungeon slice. Most specs don't.
warm plinth
1 target 3 min and 5 target 3 min is what I do
and then use your judgment from there
compact hawk
Thanks
cinder storm
I haven't been doing as many keys as of late, but I was pleasantly surprised to find out AV last boss is nerfed to the ground
The balls not moving was a mindblown
tame jasper
did 22 AV yesterday and it was by far the easiest AV I've ever did, almost 6mins left
cinder storm
Was doing a 22 as well, even 2nd boss felt like fort
compact hawk
Thanks for the help. I am going to swap to crit/haste gems and swap my 418 training games equipment to a 411 Hunger of the pack.
tame jasper
Was doing a 22 as well, even 2nd boss felt like fort
You really notice this 10sec difference
smoky needle
what's a good point to drop to pick up disruptive shout for M+?
smoky needle
okay, cool, thanks
tame jasper
you'd be using BR over TL
Battering ram is always set ofc
warm plinth
What are you not using instead to have both BR and Thunderlord 🤔
tame jasper
What are you not using instead to have both BR and Thunderlord 🤔
Depending on dungeons/affixes I switch Disrupting and Thunderlord and spellblock/Spikes. In HoV also sometimes spidearms for intervene
amber siren
No ravager?
tame jasper
nope
amber siren
tame jasper
Ravanger gives me even more rage and I already have a "waste too much rage" problem which I can't really figure out
strong forum
Ravager is just flat out more dmg than sof
Especially if you can't do your rotation well
Even without the rage part
warm plinth
Yeah in general it's a bad idea to give up a 20 point gate talent for a non-20 point gate talent. Your waste too much rage problem is you not pressing IP enough most likely, assuming you're already using Revenge regularly.
tame jasper
yeah:
AV 22 Tyra: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Wb74XQaPGRLVnCpt#fight=3&source=4&type=casts
RLP 22 Fort: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4NW8F6QPndjALa3t#fight=3&type=casts&source=5
SBG 23 Fort: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4NW8F6QPndjALa3t#fight=last&type=casts&source=5
You see too less casts and I don't get it done to push more buttons 😦
warm plinth
tbf I've seen a lot worse wasted rage than that
cinder storm
Ravanger gives me even more rage and I already have a "waste too much rage" prob...
Are you using the macro Nome posted in the pins? I went from too much rage to feeling just right early in the season
tame jasper
Not sure, have to check later when back in gmae
i remember I've tested it at the beginning
but not sure if it made it through all talents changes (and their according new actions bars all the time)
dusk wadi
I have the puzzle box and the rumbling ruby as my trinkets. Are they a good combo?
warm plinth
No, not really
dry spear
i got the ring from CoS yesterday. without a socket. when i run simc and add 1 socket to my items, raidbot suggest to put the socket elsewhere and keep my crafted ring and the seal of diurna. would you go that way and add a socket to a 424 helm or a belt or is the ring too good to not use? or is it "crap"?
amber siren
If the CoS ring is simming lower for you there's no reason to use it
dry spear
its only simming lower because i got no socket in it. it is better with a gem in it. but raidbot tells me to add the socket elsewhere and not in that ring.
amber siren
Is keeping your current rings and putting the socket in your helmet a bigger DPS increase?
dry spear
yes. or a belt
amber siren
Then do that
sick sentinel
Does warrior rage gen things do fractions?
analog radish
How much haste should I shoot for to drop ITF for Heavy Repercussions?
warm plinth
Uhh, you have it backwards sir
You should be using Heavy Repercussions until you have over 35% haste before talents.
analog radish
Does this mean I shouldn't be using Bolster?
warm plinth
That is correct
analog radish
I thought I just copied the wowhead build
warm plinth
No, use the builds in the pins
analog radish
Alright, thanks.
hardy snow
Ravanger gives me even more rage and I already have a "waste too much rage" prob...
more rage is not a problem
ashen harness
What externals do you like the best?
excluding PI for the DPS trolls
blazing condor
blood lust
orchid gulch
WFT
ashen harness
dps brains :madge:
orchid gulch
Sadge that I never get it though
blazing condor
whatever keeps me alive
orchid gulch
More rage means more CDs means more rage means more IP
Feed the anger management engine
Dunno, from a survivability POV I'd say guardian spirit
orchid gulch
That doesn't keep you alive though, it just un-unalives you
hardy fractal
do people generally always use spell block now
orchid gulch
You can use though as nails if you know you won't have any issue with magic damage, but spell block eases some of our issues with incoming magic damage
Should be used most of the time
pallid quiver
I'd argue against most of the time, since we don't have issues with incoming magic damage due to spell reflect. You mostly pick it for dungeons with notable spell damage intake that spell reflect can't fully cover you for, like Temple or RLP are the main two
Some people also like it for Hyrja in HoV on spoopier keys since not getting blasted does tend to make her more likely to go down
It's a super dead point in a lot of other keys if you're playing well, since most things in them that are blockable are either not threatening enough, able to be interrupted, or on time frames where you can just use one of your usual defensives to get over the hump
NO's one of the ones that I've seen people recommend Spell Block for before that fits this category
pallid quiver
do people generally always use spell block now
That being said, I think the average Warrior populace always uses spell block.
You shouldn't do what the majority does just because the majority does it, however, or you'll end up using codex and jumping off a bridge
hardy fractal
i havent really used it at all so far tbh but a guildie said i should be
thanks for the input though i would agree with you
dense ledge
it's good
pallid quiver
Use it with a plan is the big one; it's a chunky 1.5 min CD
And if you pick it up, you want to get use out of it, since TaN is actually a decent amount of damage
knee jerk wants to say like 2% but brain sleepy
orchid gulch
As said, if you think you won't have any issue with magic damage, use tough as nails
amber siren
Usually 'my guildie thinks this' and they don't play prot warrior usually means they don't know what they're talking about
orchid gulch
If you think you will have an issue with magic damage, use spell block
Usage of CDs, including spell reflect and spell block, is still up to personal discretion and I cannot wholeheartedly recommend either choice for general usage
dense ledge
I am just too lazy to swap the point around and just have spell block but also am only doing weekly 20/21s
orchid gulch
Then leave it in spell block, it still has its uses in most dungeons, even though TaN Would yield done better results
dense ledge
it's only damage you gain and pugs are turbo shit nowadays and damage is never the issue, surely feels nicer to play the builds with more dmg
just gotten used to having disrupting shout and spell block but also like I said, only casual keys, this week is really nice tho so might give 22+ keys a shot
hardy fractal
just gotten used to having disrupting shout and spell block but also like I said...
what point do you like to free up for disrupting i also prefer to use it
atm taking the point out of punish
pallid quiver
no
Punish is one of your main defensive talents
It's a hard lock in for M+
if you're giving up anything, it's not that
dense ledge
what point do you like to free up for disrupting i also prefer to use it
battling ram
hardy fractal
ill try that instead
pallid quiver
that's also just as bad; battering ram's a lot of damage and extra rage gen from the increased attack speed
hardy fractal
yeah its very hard to give any of the points up for it tbh
dense ledge
don't need ram
pallid quiver
You'd just swap off Show of Force for it, most likely
dense ledge
easy to give up
pallid quiver
like, why give up battering ram, which is more damage and more rage for survival, over show of force,
which is not really that much damage in comparison
orchid gulch
Isn't the shout in the warrior tree and not in the protection tree?
pallid quiver
no you just give up show of force
dense ledge
have not simmed it, how much difference is ram vs show of force
pallid quiver
it's on the same tier
hardy fractal
bloodsurge probably cant go either
pallid quiver
A gooooood chunk
Especially in ST
Battering Ram's one of our better damage talents
Show of Force is kind mid; there's worse, but there's better
orchid gulch
Bloodsurge is some nice rage generation, especially in M+
pallid quiver
On top of that, Battering Ram is also survival, since it gives more rage from more autos
orchid gulch
Show of Force is still gonna cost you quite some damage, less than other choices, but still
dense ledge
probably also depends on how you use shield charge and I mostly use it as an extra stun
pallid quiver
Bloodsurge is a talent that's a no-surrender in any case for any content with decent amount of AOE. It's part of the basic synergy of the spec between its bleeds and its rage gen
pallid quiver
probably also depends on how you use shield charge and I mostly use it as an ext...
Use on CD, no thinky
all of your offensive CDs are on CD
orchid gulch
Runs the same issue as speccing into Bolster for the new tier set
pallid quiver
The rage/SB uptime from Shield Charge makes up for ever holding it
orchid gulch
Pretty much
I just run intimidating g shout rather than the disrupting one for an extra stop and sacrifice sidearm for it
hardy fractal
yeah disrupting is off gcd for oh shit moments though
dense ledge
why do you have to give up sidearm for that? do you run pain and gain + bounding stride?
pallid quiver
I just run intimidating g shout rather than the disrupting one for an extra stop...
What are you grabbing that you have to sacrifice Sidearm? I've got Int Shout and I still have Sidearm and Bounding Stride
orchid gulch
Nah, I like pain and gain
pallid quiver
Pain and Gain's like one of the weakest survival talents that are useful, so I don't even rock it
orchid gulch
I have some trauma with our healers 'forgetting' to heal me at times so I'm drawn to anything that heals
pallid quiver
There's non-zero chances that Pain and Gain's doing literally nothing for you in those scenarios
orchid gulch
I know, I know
hardy fractal
pain and gain is very underwhelming they could buff it up to 10%
orchid gulch
Point is that I usually run with me guild and some of our healers just have questionable priorities over the last few xpacs so at some points my build is just
strong forum
hardy fractal
hes at half hp he'll probably just heal himself, ill keep dpsing until hes at 20%
strong forum
If you play healer, don't do that. A warrior at 50% is as good as dead
hardy fractal
i think some get too used to prot pally that can hit procced word of glory every 5 seconds
orchid gulch
I was honestly excited for Battle-scarred Veteran only for it to be made in a way it triggers way too early
median tulip
Some healers seem to think we can heal like DKs. It's very annoying
hardy fractal
imagine if like every 3 thunderclaps reset the cd on impending victory 
dense ledge
Point is that I usually run with me guild and some of our healers just have ques...
can you link the build? still interested to see what you do in the tree to not afford sidearm
tropic gorge
So it seems blizz can, as of patch, hide mechanics from add-ons. I think that could possibly be a very amazing and good change
strong forum
if they finally stop creating mechanics that require weakauras like bombs on jailer, sure
amber siren
Yep if it means it stops the constant arms race between weakauras and boss mechanics I'm all for it
hardy snow
what if Blizz is doing this not to stop this arms race, but to win it 
strong forum
well thats also a thing
devs have designed some bosses and mechanics to "win"
instead of making them fun
which is inherently fucked up
hardy snow
Halondrus have won against tons of guilds that stopped playing 
strong forum
hardcore raiders actually enjoyed halondrus
hardy snow
of course, its 2nd best boss in SL after Painsmith
hardy snow
I just hope they wont make mechanic like hidden dreadlord on this couple boss in sepulcher
it wasnt cool at all
hardy snow
and dealing with it without help will be even worse
pallid quiver
I didn't do fuck all for raiding in SL, so Painsmith #1 fight because walking up to the man was so cool
tropic gorge
The arms race slowing or stopping I believe would be a win for all of us
pallid quiver
it's like one of the things about SL I can say I actually enjoyed!
of the like
five things
strong forum
i liked sludge the most
dense ledge
banger boss
strong forum
fav boss by a landslide
no rng, no spellqueueing, no nothing
no gimmick afk intermission
tropic gorge
Oh, last night in aa I parried the bird boss tank buster attack twice. Not back2back, but I noticed 2 parries for it. Made me think of your name nom
"I am a parry God!"
strong forum
but you cant parry that anymore
tropic gorge
I totally did last night
strong forum
you got logs?
tropic gorge
He cast it. I parried. No bleed no cd
Lemme see hold on
No I didn't upload them. Damn
So I have no proof. Oh well 😦
Wait lemme search. Maybe someone else did
Nothing. Goddamn it
tropic gorge
Priest was healing
strong forum
hm
pallid quiver
dps evoker actually cheatin' mechanics like a legend
tropic gorge
And it wasn't stone form (best race). There's a chance I didn't see what I thought I did. But I swear to you I didn't get the bleed from 2 tank busters thst fight. I noticed because I planned on using stone form to stop the one I should have gotten
mental scarab
@pallid quiver our is made of paper and dies when mobs fart
tropic gorge
Tonight when I get home Ill upload my logs and double check myself. It'll be too late and this Convo won't be relevant at all, but I'll at least show myself what I saw
orchid gulch
can you link the build? still interested to see what you do in the tree to not a...
Sorry, I'm on my phone and don't have access to it. In general, I simply try and adapt to my regular groups without making too many amends here and there - most of my build is standard, i just have a tendency to sacrifice DPS for survivability if i need to make amends to it.
It's bad. Do not recommend.
Much less 'not being able to afford sidearm, rather a' 'preferring not to afford sidearm in favour of other picks', it's absolutely suboptimal for DPS
tame jasper
Halondrus have won against tons of guilds that stopped playing <:okayge:91764681...
Brutallus also did that but was far more fun
orchid gulch
Wasn't Burtallus essentially a super sized DPS check?
Been a while since I did it as current content
tame jasper
Yeah but with huge tankhits too, so similar to Sludge. Halondrus was even more dps race. If you had enough to skip complete mechanics…
orchid gulch
Yeah, halondrus was a nice fight for me, I like it when bosses give me lasers through the arena
Give it a few years and I'll have all of my DPSbrains trained to keep an eye on where the tanks are and where the bad AOE is coming in
junior hemlock
I have to give a shout out for flame leviathan as a fun boss, esp on hard mode with all 4 towers, that was crazy at the time, lol
But I'm biased, Ulduar was my favorite raid in general.
deep spruce
I have to give a shout out for flame leviathan as a fun boss, esp on hard mode w...
Maybe the first time you did it, after that it was fucking awful, and definitely not even in a top 100 of best bosses in this game
ps. ulduar was also one of my favourite raids
orchid gulch
Karazhan was a fun raid to tank with the old rage generation mechanic
Equip a shield and in 30 seconds you had enough rage for a shield slam once you got some decent gear
torn whale
I'm still trying to farm a Puzzle Box.
In the mean time do you think it's worth raising Ruby Whelp Shell, or is it simbait?
orchid gulch
Puzzle box for prot?
lavish oracle
I think both those trinkets are sim bait, tbh
orchid gulch
Puzzle box at least runs into the issue of having a cast time
lyric heart
hey all im new to tanking on a warrior is there a start talent set for M+?
orchid gulch
Yes
Check the pins
Would recommend you run with the general purpose build from Nome for the time being
lavish oracle
Puzzle box at least runs into the issue of having a cast time
A cast time that prevents you from blocking while channeling
So you have to either cast it during downtime or risk getting clapped during it
orchid gulch
Yeah, quite risky as a tank, would run something like whetstone instead
Or something passive like hunger of the pack, no clue how it performs currently though
torn whale
But for M+ DPS in general - my survival at 16-17s is pretty solid - would you use a Whelp trinket?
My luck with trinkets hasn't been great 🙂 It's that or Dragon Games at this point.
lavish oracle
If you're just looking for pure ST damage, I think you're better off with trampling hooves or Dragon Balls
orchid gulch
Trampling hooves is great in ST
Whelp might perform okay, try to get one of the better trinkets though
orchid gulch
Most trinkets are more or less viable unless they disable your mitigation, like puzzle box does
Gotta work with what you got after all
torn whale
I guess it'd be nice to have one competitive as Fury or Arms while waiting for a better drop.
orchid gulch
When in doubt, whetstone puts out some chonky AOE DPS and idol is good in ST
Hunger is also good for Arms, due to crit
lavish oracle
Big Toe performs pretty well in AoE too afaik
Kinda beans in ST based on my sims, though
uncut dome
How is the tier looking for next ?
Seems kinda fun to use it as an offensive cd thouhg
tropic gorge
Nobody will know until it's out and people get their hands on it for metrics
Atm it's all theory and hoping. Quite a few of us here are hoping the ss Shockwave is good and satisfying to use
Losing the current bonus of ss adding to ip will hurt and require some readjustment probably
sweet summit
an attempt at making last stand a real cooldown very sad
how about just fixing the fucking ability at it's core
tropic gorge
Ls has very real usage imo. And as it stands without the block talent is just "OK". Using ls more frequently is gonna be very odd at the start until people figure out a proper max usage ofc
sweet summit
nah but LS is the worst cooldown in the game
tropic gorge
I think it would be nice if ls had the block function built in, and talents under it boosted it's up time, hp gained or something
I don't think it is. Ls can really help you out in some situations. Yeah it's delaying the inevitable most of the time, but it can save you or at least help the healer get back on track
Plus it's fun to dick flex with ls and rally for giga hp numbers. Not together in combat unless absolutely needed, but to flex on friends In valdraxen lol
sweet summit
stamina is virtually useless unless you're severely undergeared and/or one shots through mitigation is a real concern
i actually hate last stand it's the worst button ever. only saving grace is bolser, which isn't even that great (right now anyway) and unnerving focus (which is an amazing concept but still overshadowed by other talents rn)
tropic gorge
I've used the ls and victory rush or whatever it's name changes to, combo to great effect
sweet summit
exactly. last stand is impending victory on a 3(?) minute cooldown instead of 25 seconds
tropic gorge
Ya but ip spam skews that heavily lol
fast wyvern
Have a discussion with the preservation healer I am playing with, both relatively new to tanking and healing he is saying I should not need much healing bar a few globals here and there is this correct should I be mostly self sufficient
tropic gorge
Sam it's true for the most part in almost all situations
lavish oracle
Have a discussion with the preservation healer I am playing with, both relativel...
You should be mostly self sufficient, that's correct
tropic gorge
We have a good bit of leech and outright dmg avoidance or absorbtion. You'll have streaks of little to no dmg being taken
Regardless of pull size
grave prairie
also, how does BSV and IP work with the healing reduce?
lavish oracle
That said, some fights by design might require more tank healing than others
tropic gorge
Yup, some bosses slap tf out of the tank
plush tendon
there are times where you do need attention from your healer; like Searing Blows dude, Jade boss, and Crawth
tropic gorge
Tjs comes to mind
plush tendon
otherwise, you chillin
tropic gorge
Crawth for sure. That bleed smacks hard
plush tendon
but Evoker is broken for that fight anyways
since they just remove bleeds
outright
tropic gorge
Searing blows is outta rlp right? Blaze hoof or whoever?
plush tendon
yea
lavish oracle
Yeah
plush tendon
2nd boss RLp
tropic gorge
When he does that, it can really hurt me
limpid anchor
First boss hurts as well in rlp
tropic gorge
That shit fucking slaps
dense ledge
probably need a bit of context why the healer said that
plush tendon
first boss aint nearly as bad
grim pilot
which classes are able to dispell lasher toxins?
plush tendon
with rotating Reflect, Spell Block, SW etc.
tropic gorge
First boss can be painful when she doubles up a cast + the group damage
I don't currently run spell block in rlp. If I push 19 and higher I will, but atm I do not think I really need it. I'm in the 17 and 18 range atm
hardy snow
on first boss in rlp dont forget to shockwave adds when you're going to SR her frigid shit, just to ensure adds cast wont take away SR
plush tendon
and not worry about all those ice ball casts
sick sentinel
lavish oracle
I use spell block in like 6/8 of the dungeons
sick sentinel
i look too weird as an undead
grim pilot
I don't currently run spell block in rlp. If I push 19 and higher I will, but at...
spell block is overall incredible spell I run in every dungeon bc of its utility
hardy snow
dafuq is this XD
sick sentinel
i dunno if its gunna happen
tropic gorge
Undead girls can be cute but overall I think undead are hideous
sick sentinel
cuz thats my transmog on cow-man, and i hate the transmog options on taurens
tropic gorge
Blood elf girls are the best girls atm
sick sentinel
i get a full helmet and boots
however, if im undead, i turn into asmongold
skinny legs and arms
wooden widget
Ight I have one more spark. Last piece at 415 is cloak so I’m gonna craft. I play all 3 specs. Crit / haste??
tropic gorge
Lol
wooden widget
Mostly mythic plus
sick sentinel
aslo, the transmog is, hes a warrior who thinks hes a dk
plush tendon
crit haste sounds good for Prot and Arms
sick sentinel
and i have a dk who is starting to think that he's a warrior
tropic gorge
Crit haste should do you fine. Obv a mastery lack will impact fury the most but 2/3 gain ain't bad
wooden widget
Yeah shoot
tropic gorge
If it's a bad enough drop for mastery, imo. Embrace the blue button of pain
plush tendon
I would just sim all the variations
tropic gorge
Reject the dual weild people and realize your true arms potential: you don't need 2 weapons to significantly hurt people
🙂
plush tendon
mastery/haste, crit/haste and see what gives the highest gain and lowest loss between all specs
sick sentinel
i dont have the correct cloak from catalysts
plush tendon
mastery aint bad for arms either
sick sentinel
is why i'm using the kyrian cloak
i figured that undead is closest thing to human, and then make the armor for human first, then adjust
tropic gorge
It ain't bad no
I'm considering crafting a 2h weapon for my arms usage. I've had 0 luck getting one out of m+ the last 2 weeks. Saw an axe iirc from rlp but lost the roll on it
wooden widget
Yeah I’m worried least about prot but the reason I’m asking here is because the other channels will just trash each other and say sim haha
Hoping for a 421 cloak soon anyways so no matter what I do I’m prolly safe
dusky canopy
So it seems blizz can, as of patch, hide mechanics from add-ons. I think that co...
Is this actually a thing? Like they don’t have to individually break WAs people make? They can just break all of them?
tropic gorge
Lemme get the link, one sec
Basically the answer is yes
I highly doubt the majority of wa will break from that. It'll probably, at least at the start, only be used for boss fights and m+ encounters. But as always, they could always go really hard at it
ember tangle
Im all for it, third party shit shouldnt matter to the point that it does
sick sentinel
https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-reportedly-restricting-certain-mechanics-f...
yah, asmongold youtube will have a video about it today
he interviewed the DBM guy, they just uploaded the video from last nights stream about d4, so wont be long
tropic gorge
I'll never, ever forget the dude that was in here last year that claimed asmon viewers were higher skilled than most because they collected mounts
tropic gorge
Im all for it, third party shit shouldnt matter to the point that it does
I agree
I believe as a whole, the wow player community is too reliant on add-ons overall
sick sentinel
i want wow to be that i have like, 5 fuckin addons, maybe 10, at the most
tropic gorge
Timers like dbm are OK in my eyes. Qol wa are perfectly fine also
I'm not sure where a line would drawn at
sick sentinel
sweaty boys can still download 15 25 or something, but i would hope that becomes 0.1% of palyers
that they have 30 addons and its "nessecary" and "easy"
tropic gorge
I'm also curious, should this go through, and to make an assumption let's assume some boss mechanics and puzzles are cut off on day one.
How many high end guilds are going to die from this?
How many players, not just top end but the whole range, are carried by addon usage
We have all probably experienced game updates that break add-ons, and players in our guilds or groups that can't play until addons are fixed.
Now, assuming it's not just a custom ui mod or mods, some people cannot play without hand holding type mods.
I also feel that "just go get a wa" is somewhat problematic.
So many responses to questions are "don't think just use this wa"
sick sentinel
here's the fuckin problme with addons, bills addon was fucking up last fight and something wasn't working, so he wasn't able to perform correctly, and he had low dps, again, (another addon thing) so we have to replace bill because he talked to thge addon developer adn the developer is on vacation for 7 weeks
so, bills getting benched, in a numerically valid way of displaying the screw up
tropic gorge
We said the same thing in different ways lol. Too much addon dependance
orchid gulch
Too much addon dependance for things that can be easily handled without one
tropic gorge
Next season is gonna be interesting
sick sentinel
or even a blizzard publsihed DBM that you can opt into
tropic gorge
Ofc the high end dudes will clear mythic in a couple weeks. But I'm really curious as to what's gonna happen with this change. It's really, really huge
The way in which dbm presents information to the player should be base line.
orchid gulch
Some people will get shafted hard
sick sentinel
Some people will get shafted hard
thats life, you are doing the fucking or you are the one getting fucked
mental scarab
No timers on bosses Will be fun
orchid gulch
thats life, you are doing the fucking or you are the one getting fucked
Not me, I do both - i shaft myself by playing with 2 addons and half a WA already
sick sentinel
legit talk, i think the scope of what weakauras are able to do needs to be axed by minimum 50%
they do, too much
in every regard
orchid gulch
Some stuff is really excessive
sick sentinel
but at the same time, when a monster ise casting a 4 second fireball at us i feel we need to see the animation of the fireball growing in guys hands and hes very clearly casting it, moving hands hands lighting up
and same for a cleave, needs to look like a cleave attack
shrewd grove
I mean, you can literally get your addons set up to the point where you computer will pop up the icon of the ability you should be using right now, tell you over voice where and when to move to avoid mechanics, and call out adds spawning, etc. If you want, you don't even need to learn to play the game
sick sentinel
a cleave or tank buster that looks like a normal attack, or there is not some visual or audio indicator
shrewd grove
I have a guildie who does just that. Without addons he literally doesn't know his rotation
Parses 70s and higher
sick sentinel
thats, where its too confusing
orchid gulch
"Which class do you play?" "Weakaura. "
shrewd grove
Basically
That's his excuse though "I like playing alts, but I don't want to learn 10 rotations"
Like... why play a new class then
orchid gulch
Dunno, if like a class I learn it by leveling and if I want to keep playing it I just refine that base
tropic gorge
And that's why I don't play monk
sick sentinel
i feel like if you have to be told the solution to each mechanic before it goes out, thats in the wrong basically
tropic gorge
It never clicked with me
sick sentinel
its like, your not even playing the fuckin game at that point, just listening to a gps on way to work
orchid gulch
At the next cleave turn left
cursive jacinth
Hi All, Very new to Prot Warrior. If I can only upgrade one item to 405 what is best option. Weapon, Shield or Lariat?
tropic gorge
Shield then lariat depending on Ilvl of each
cursive jacinth
392 currently all 3
tropic gorge
Prob shield would be recommended. It's out biggest defensive item
sick sentinel
shield weapon slot is based on highest item level you can equip to them, peroid. lariat is good, bracers of companionship is good, fire belt good if u have fire ring
sheild weapon literal nothing else matter beside ilv doesnt matter stats appearance, only item lvl
hazy sluice
My timed 23 azure vault doesn't count for RIO because there is still the old timer :x
sick sentinel
yep, cuz u get weapon dmg and shield block rating, which can be increased directly in basically no other way
you get some small amount of AP through str mastery whatever else, but its nothing compared to weapon, same logic for shield with blocking shit
tropic gorge
I would suggest shield then lariat
While you do other content like m+ to pickup a weapon
Wow head does have a good list of items to hunt from raids and m+, be a good place to look where you can farm a weapon
cursive jacinth
I already have clutlass at the same ilvl (392) in my bags
dusky canopy
I second that suggestion, Shield > Lariat
You can farm strike twice from NoK witch is better than 418 crafted wep
Strike twice at 415 ilvl anyway
sick sentinel
bald man streaming "diablo 4" supposedly already, imma watch till it starts
dusky canopy
Back on the WA discussion, So in your guys opinion a WA like for rasz that gives the 3 static charge players a direction to go so they don’t accidentally go the same way is to much you’d rather players give it thought?
tropic gorge
Yes.
dusky canopy
What about displaying your polarity during storm surge? Should players have to search for the little icon by the mini map?