so much fucking bullshit
#protection
dapper vapor
Never played DPS warrior in my life, but got Puzzle Box 421 in my vault, feels like the right time to give a go. What spec is easier/more fun to get into of the two slammers?
sick sentinel
runs around in any direction, might cower, might stand in place, might run into wall, might tag, 1 more group, might tag 17 more groups, WHO KNOWS
verbal wren
Fury is easier, but more fun is going to be pretty subjective between the two.
odd tree
arms ST can be a bit more involved when your trying to max ToM, but its still fairly simple
median tulip
Never played DPS warrior in my life, but got Puzzle Box 421 in my vault, feels l...
You'll probably have an easier time of getting into Arms because its gear/stat priority is Crit and Haste, same as Prot, while Fury likes Mastery too much
odd tree
arms aoe feels great in dungeons and you can channel puzzle box while you bladestorm (w/ avatar cast)
sick sentinel
i swear to god groups are going to want us to run group antifear beserker shout i think its called, for brackenhide
craggy pilot
🤔 i have 415 whetstone + big toe already
tropic gorge
Where's the dwarf priest when you need one
sick sentinel
whatever happened to fear ward
odd tree
i swear to god groups are going to want us to run group antifear beserker shout...
i'm running it the first couple weeks
tropic gorge
Lol blazebinder hoof is one of my trinkets
I macrod it into avatar and just send it
median tulip
🤔 i have 415 whetstone + big toe already
Need a socket?
sick sentinel
i mean, fear ward for tanks and healers at least is still a TOTALLY relevant mechanic
craggy pilot
Need a socket?
i have a spot for socket on my helmet left 😄
but then im socketed out lol
sick sentinel
do priests still get fear ward
lavish oracle
🤔 i have 415 whetstone + big toe already
Sim it, probs
sick sentinel
imma go look
craggy pilot
Sim it, probs
i did, its like a 0.5% increase for blazebinder
and socket is also 0.5%
blazebinder just weird to use 🤔
so guess imma go socket
lavish oracle
I'd take socket, yeah
hard dust
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/raixis
Anyone able to give me suggestions on what my highest priority to craft an upgrade would be?
sick sentinel
i dont know if i will go into group anti fear
but i might take the me only anti fear above it
for less points
tropic gorge
Zerker rage being a talent is stupid imo
I think it should be one of the core war abilities. Being fear immune has been a warrior hallmark since this game started. And now it's not
silent anchor
🤔 i have 415 whetstone + big toe already
Thats some nice tokens you got 
granite nest
Any tanks familiar with Diurna Add Tanking? I find around Break 5, when I had Double Dragon, I'm getting WORKED by the bleeds, and other mechanics going out.
I'm horde, so no personal bleed clear, though I do have an evoker on me, who's clear I've been calling for. Other than using Shield Wall, are there any other general survivability tips for this add overlap?
granite nest
Plz help
silent anchor
So evoker uses bleed Cleanse on me when I'm moving to next group
uneven mason
It's a good one for IO
silent anchor
1 dragon already dead
granite nest
Did you find yourself stance dancing, or were you typically in DPS Stance?
I typically end up also burning a healthstone here to try and survive.
noble jetty
Alright prot warrior discord what do I think about the new tier set bonuses
silent anchor
On double dragon. We have rally at the start for raid dmg.
I use sw at start, ls when thr 3rd bleed is applied and stay in dstance till 1 dies
uneven mason
Alright prot warrior discord what do I think about the new tier set bonuses
About as "meh" as the current ones
odd tree
yea, decent, nothing game breaking
uneven mason
Nm yeah 2p is nice
I misread it at first, ss 15% is good
I thought it was only during last stand
odd tree
doubles during LS, right?
uneven mason
But it turns LS into a weak DPS cd
noble jetty
Any tanks familiar with Diurna Add Tanking? I find around Break 5, when I had Do...
I usually spend all my rage on IP during that add pack and use shield wall when I have two bleeds on me. I ask for the evoker bleed clear when I'm on my way to the next pack out of range of the healers
uneven mason
Right but it doesn't motivate us to take bolster
odd tree
agreed, still not worth the point
granite nest
I usually spend all my rage on IP during that add pack and use shield wall when ...
tyvm
noble jetty
I only stance dance in p2 when she's casting mortal stoneslam I'll pop SW, d stance, spell reflect.
The third one you'll have to use spell block because you won't have a shield wall up.
granite nest
Are you using the 2 charge SW talent? Or the rage reduction CD one? I see both being taken on this fight
dusk cloak
I'm very interested in seeing those chunky shield slam crits. When the stars align I've seen some hit 200. I like the idea of this tier bonus than the revenge one
noble jetty
2 charge
granite nest
Damn, okay
noble jetty
If you're having trouble with double dragons you can use both sw at that point they will be up by p2
The rest of the add packs don't need a cd unless someone misses a shock kick while tremors is casting
dusk cloak
Which difficulty?
noble jetty
There is a fun overlap around 8:30 where you have the tank soak on you and wildfires are going out, I seem to always die at that point since I only have 1 or 2 others in the soak with me and you're low hp already because of the mortal strike
uneven mason
Definitely had a few shock kicks missed
Are you running immovable object as well?
jade pulsar
Anyone know if you somehow can find deflected abilities from spell reflect i warcraftlogs? Like 'Static Jolt' on Diurna.
noble jetty
Should be in your damage done look for spell reflect
Then it should break it down further from there
jade pulsar
It only deflects, not reflects though - so it does no dmg
granite nest
Are you running immovable object as well?
I have been running Unstoppable Force
noble jetty
I have been running Unstoppable Force
I too am parse hungry.
uneven mason
I have been running Unstoppable Force
If I'm getting trucked Io is usually the first point I swap to
uneven mason
That little SW it gives you goes a long way
crude tartan
Link the log. That'll tell more.
granite nest
I'll see if I can make some of the adjustments suggested above. If I'm still struggling, I'll try IO.
uneven mason
But I can see 10.1 dropping and literally every war pal monk and dk in the world become dwarves
uneven mason
I'll see if I can make some of the adjustments suggested above. If I'm still str...
You're already eating dirt in parses by using double sw
So take the plunge and finish the fight
sick sentinel
is the fire ball can only be aimed at dps players 2nd boss ruby
uneven mason
Think it can go for anyone but tank
high basalt
Hey guys how do some of you get over 40% haste? Ty
modern brook
Equip more gear with haste
high basalt
I have 30 and have and haste on everything apart from feet though and that’s not gonna give me 10+ %??
sick sentinel
yup, just equip giga cheese haste gear main stat in all slots
sick sentinel
cuz, what i mean main stat, is u can get item A with 200 haste 100 crit, item B 100 haste 200 crit
so, 50, 75, 45 here there everywhere adds up
cloud umbra
Haste weapon rune. Blazebinders hoof. Haste food xd
sick sentinel
haste trinket for potions
sick sentinel
and all of those items would have to be gemmed and enchanted for haste
415 or more
with ITF 40% is easy
sick sentinel
im 410 equipped and im at 31-34% with my normal gear
it will increase by 1-2% with 2400 io
high basalt
Itf? I’m 395 roughly what haste does the hoof trinket give please?
torn gulch
yea i have 410 with 30% base
cloud umbra
Hoof is haste trinket instead of strength
torn gulch
itf is into the fray a talent
sick sentinel
i might make that haste potion trinket some point, not now
cloud umbra
A lot of haste
sick sentinel
im focused on getting lariat greater infusions
torn gulch
i need 29 more 16's+ to finish my spark gear
then i'll do a full absorb build on the 10.0.7 ring for fun
sick sentinel
i mostly want to finish my 2 embellishments and food to 418
i finished 1 at 418 by doing spikes on shield
torn gulch
the good thing is that i'll be able to continue upgrading my spark gear to 447
high basalt
Haste increases 1-2% with 2400 raider io score?
torn gulch
next patch
sick sentinel
so i need 18 16 key
flat jackal
i need 29 more 16's+ to finish my spark gear
then i'll do a full absorb build on...
how are the 10.7 ringsl ooking like?
sick sentinel
cuz i'll be able to bump all slots 411 to 415
torn gulch
how are the 10.7 ringsl ooking like?
i have not seen the full upgraded stones so tbh i don't know
sick sentinel
so that should give me about 1-2%
cloud umbra
What rings?
torn gulch
i have not seen the full upgraded stones so tbh i don't know
depends on what you want
torn gulch
What rings?
there is a special ring with primordial sockets next minipatch
with no stats
torn gulch
Don’t understand what this means sorry mate?
it was my misunderstanding ignore it
i can do a big absorb build on that ring
but it's a fringe build
for fun
people like nome will go triple damage stones if they use that ring
which is probably the play
sick sentinel
ring seems a bit pepega to me
slim dove
how are the 10.7 ringsl ooking like?
Garbage.
sick sentinel
that ring could be ilvl for me tho
torn gulch
ion said that fully upgraded that ring is an upgrade for everyone
it remains to be seen
sick sentinel
cuz, i got a 402 crafted and then i got a 382 haste TJS ring
slim dove
I dont put much weight in anything that goof says
sick sentinel
i want to push that jade ring to 411
torn gulch
then we'll have to see how that ring looks fully upgraded i'll still play it for fun
i can do some whack stuff on it
but i'm a casual
sick sentinel
ion said that fully upgraded that ring is an upgrade for everyone
i wonder what invovles getting it " " "fuilly upgraded" " " as he puts it
sick sentinel
I don’t understand the S2 bonus, they want us to be pressing last stand a bunch?
shaman can't purge enrage right
the affix
No it needs a soothe
tropic gorge
No, it can't be removed to my knowledge
torn gulch
evoker has mass soothe
high basalt
What’s best for m+ hp or itf please? Ty
torn gulch
if i am not mistaken
slim dove
What’s best for m+ hp or itf please? Ty
Generally speaking, HR.
high basalt
Ok Ty mate
sick sentinel
aparently shiv can soothe lol
I feel like it always has been able to but I always forget that it can
Anyway back to s2 set bonus
It’s based around a 3 min cooldown? Am I missing something? Seems significantly weaker than s1
torn gulch
2 min with bolster
bolster will prob be used more next season
if the bonus stays like that
karmic plinth
napkin maths with bolster + 2 set would have last stand closer to 90s in CD
cerulean tusk
Also will be a bit based on the DMG from T4. Yet, with imp bolster, we can play a bit around with more rage and more auto SB uptime. Will prob be fun 
outer solstice
heya guys, our tank for myhtic jumped,... I need to help out for now,... I still run a 415 wep + shields, you recon it's worth it to upgrade both to 418? (i have 2 sparks) alternatively I could craft engi bracers and the frostfire belt
cerulean tusk
Always shield. Then belt, if you got the ring or will get it aoon
high basalt
Hey guys is there a link to our new tier sets for season 2 please? Thanks
outer solstice
Always shield. Then belt, if you got the ring or will get it aoon
so shield and weapon
can't do the shield and the belt, as I need a brace replacement then
cerulean tusk
Shield and whatever grants you the most ilvl and mainstat.
umbral warren
thank you
outer solstice
Shield and whatever grants you the most ilvl and mainstat.
I'm 420 arms ^^
amber siren
can't do the shield and the belt, as I need a brace replacement then
I'm not sure what you mean by brace replacement here? Molten defender (without you putting spikes on it) doesn't take an embesh slot if that's what you're concerned about
outer solstice
I'm not sure what you mean by brace replacement here? Molten defender (without y...
I run allied wristguards, so crafting the frostfire belt would require the bracer replacement
the shield is a no-brainer
outer solstice
Right, if you run the belt and bracers, that's 2 embellishments
rn I run lariat and bracers,...
DPS main
I have 2 sparks left
I have neither a replacement non-embellished necklace or bracers
amber siren
Oh right if you have lariat then yeah
If you have the bracers and lariat unless you're running the rings, you won't need the belt anyway
sick sentinel
Any warriors do blue side on Mythic Raz on prog?
amber siren
Those 2 are fine
sick sentinel
Just interesting in surviving shattering shrouds consistently.
jagged pier
not on that absorb
u have to assign healer cds for them
or #
kill the mob before it casts
vernal vale
not on that absorb
I think he's referencing me getting booted for dying while receiving almost no heals.
sick sentinel
Yeah the absorb there is brutal
jagged pier
yer so there all need ot be healed or its a wipe
or u kill the mob before the cast
there is no inbetween
sick sentinel
Yeah so on 1/3 when the absorb goes out and you have that phat healing absorb on you obviously you iv pop big defensives
jagged pier
i dunno how they do it im right side
sick sentinel
It just seems like a vulnerable moment for war in that moment.
I guess you can last stand one
as well.
hardy snow
How does heal absorb (TJS, Kurog, Diurna, Rasza or any other such mechanic) affects ignore pain? I know its not absorb per se, but ingame mechanic it is treated as absorb, so if I use IP that should give me for example 50k, but I had 100k heal absorb on me - what happens to IP and absorb?
sacred flare
Any initial thoughts on the prot 10.1 tier set?
mortal brook
bonk
jagged pier
could be good depends if the shockwave damage actually does damage
changing talents to make tier set better is sad tho
autumn tulip
Any math wizards math out st increase yet? With last stand talent and shield slam procs
autumn tulip
I just meant with the 2 set, but gotcha
jagged pier
i mean for 2 set as u should have close to 100% uptime anyway just add 15% of your SS damage
brave jungle
When is Icon worth in a m+ grp over eg Whetstone + Decoration of flame?
dusky canopy
When you have all 3 buffs
slim dove
Even just 1 buff it's gonna surpass deco
toxic pewter
10.1 seems to be another great patch in the making
New raid's theme is badass
class specific trinkets are cool
minor forge
Finally got my ksh after a 18 av with a 6:30 2nd boss fight and I dc-ed during last trash pull which resulted in a wipe
Thank god for the time buff this reset that made it in time
vale ravine
shaman can't purge enrage right
no tranq shot sooth or shiv from a rogue I think thats all off the top of my heads
dapper shuttle
how are we handling the P1 push backs for M raz? charge then leap?
slim dove
Yup
dapper shuttle
are the later pushbacks still requiring 2x charge and leap? just trying to get an understanding before we start prog
dapper shuttle
ok nice what about the 3rd? the spread sheet im referencing was prior to nerfs
hasty wraith
Can anyone look at the Crawth wipe on my log from a survivability point of view? I don't really know, what more I can do. I already sacraficed damage by using TR and Ravager for rage gen -> IP spam. I tried comparing with other logs from better players, but a lot plays with evoker, which obviously changes a lot. Thanks in advance 🙂
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/68XVH73rdPKjtwvB#fight=last&pull=9
hasty wraith
I feel like i almost used on cd. I might have messed up rage usage to reduce it properly tho
hasty wraith
With proper play i assume
strong forum
well ofc
pallid quiver
I feel like 22 revenges ins a bit low for 4.5 mins of combat
strong forum
yeah you went way too ham on ignore pain
pallid quiver
Should be noted Crawth doesn't really hurt outside the bleed
By the time screech starts being concerning to us, the party is dead
strong forum
but also 4.5min crawth is just insanely long
wispy canopy
bro i'm so tired of having trash trinkets T_T My vaults keeps trolling
clever ginkgo
can anyone explain to me why sidearm is such a viable talent? I feel like tossing it out most of the time for an extra end tier talent in the tree
clever ginkgo
hold up let me check, I might be mixing my talents up
pallid quiver
It's a decent amount of damage for the required points to get to the last section of the tree
once you get to the last tier, points are pretty set in stone
strong forum
your only other options next to sidearm are QoL talents, none with throughput or surv gains
so idk what youre playing
but it aint what we recommend
craggy pilot
damn every time Nome is typing, i keep thinking its 2 people cus of the comma 🤣
strong forum
With proper play i assume
i dont imagine i gotta tell you that eating a tornado is not good for your health 😄
clever ginkgo
I'm probably thinking I messed it up my bad geez
hasty wraith
yeah you went way too ham on ignore pain
Like in a lot of wasted absorb? I thought you were supposed to dumb rage into IP for CD reduction
strong forum
yes but youre wasting SS resets
by not casting revenge
youre overusing ignore pain at the cost of revenge casts
lowering your rage income
this is my CPM breakdown on crawth
clever ginkgo
It's a decent amount of damage for the required points to get to the last sectio...
gotcha
ty
hasty wraith
I see. I just feel like i am strugling to survive the whole time
pallid quiver
Especially note the difference in SS CPM
clever ginkgo
ah, so I swapped out sidearm for intimidating shout is what it was
pallid quiver
Pretty much 2 more SS per minute, which is a good bit more rage
strong forum
youre underusing your buttons aswell Isaja
you only cast 5 demo shouts in 5 minutes
i cast 5 in 3minutes
i had 6 avatars in 3 minutes, you only had 7 in 5 minutes
its all a feedback issue
jagged pier
hasty wraith
As I have been struggling on this boss i tried to save for the demo shout for the bleed
strong forum
everything adds up over time
hasty wraith
Which might be the reason my overall usage is lower
jagged pier
u always have the bleed tho pretty much
strong forum
the boss casts peck every ~20 seconds
its hard to not have demo shout up for it
just full send stuff
dont hold buttons
safe shale
Whoa what? Is it just a matter of spending more rage to use those CD's more?
pallid quiver
For Avatar and SW, yes
strong forum
yes
strong forum
its all small things that add up
craggy pilot
ah, so I swapped out sidearm for intimidating shout is what it was
much easier if you just show, since you can get Sidearm + Intim shout at the same time usually
hasty wraith
Yeah I usually do that. But for this boss in particular I hold them for their defensive value, which apparently makes you more squishy 😄
strong forum
yes
dont hold shit
i generated 2400 rage in 3minutes, you only generated 2.9k in 5
pallid quiver
Yeah, the hardest hitting part of peck is the bleed, which lasts after the cast that's every ~20 seconds
strong forum
okay, 4.5min
pallid quiver
So on top of the lack of rage, which means less indom healing and other things, you're also taking damage from the bleed
strong forum
because you send so much rage into IP, youre actually squishier
hasty wraith
Maybe a hard question to answer in short, but how do I know when to IP and when to revenge, as I am clearly using revenge too little and IP too much
strong forum
IP when at 60-80+ rage
pallid quiver
You use IP to make sure you don't overcap
strong forum
treat revenge as your SS reset tool
pallid quiver
Generally that 60-80 range
clever ginkgo
much easier if you just show, since you can get Sidearm + Intim shout at the sam...
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUkQRERpFRRBENVUVEVURFVYRUUDRAA
I had someone recommend this to me for QoL and learning but I just feel like I'm missing out on so much by not using booming voice and battering ram
pallid quiver
There should never be an empty global
pallid quiver
i don't even have to look at it
hasty wraith
I will have to work on that i suppose
craggy pilot
this build 😄
clever ginkgo
thats what I thought lol
pallid quiver
to just say go to pins
craggy pilot
oof
pallid quiver
As soon as I heard not even Booming Voice
hasty wraith
I tend to mess up my rotation, when I struggle to survive
strong forum
you can swap titanic throw to bounding stride or pain and gain
but dont play whatever you got linked
craggy pilot
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUkQRERpFRRBENVUVE...
whats this build for?
m+ or raid?
clever ginkgo
m+
pallid quiver
I tend to mess up my rotation, when I struggle to survive
Your rotation will never change, no matter how much damage you're taking in or struggling or what have you
strong forum
^
pallid quiver
So if you end up panicking, it's worth it to swing by a training dummy to make sure you have the muscle memory down so you can play mechanics well and rotate pure defensives (LS, SW, etc) well
since you won't be thinking about what buttons to press when things go down
hasty wraith
That might be my problem then. To me it makes sense to use your defensive (IP) when you take a lot of damage
strong forum
the thing that kills you on crawth
is lack of SS resets
if you dont get an SS reset during the bleed
youre just gonna die
and revenge grants you more SS resets
IP doesnt
modern brook
Nodderz
clever ginkgo
ok awesome, thanks man. I was definitely feeling like something was wrong after using it for 1 day
craggy pilot
the Spell Block + Defenders Aegis combo might be good for some specific dungeons (like TJS Tyran)
hasty wraith
Yeah. That is properly also the reason I feel a bit low on rage at times, because I don't wait with IP until high rage
noble stratus
hi im gonna try to run this +14 HOV on my 376 ilvl pwarr, is spell block worth it?
clever ginkgo
it it even in the question to use defender's Aegis vs Impenetrable wall during +20s?
strong forum
defenders aegis is only good if you suck
or play mdi
outside of that, it has absolutely no application
clever ginkgo
haha ok
craggy pilot
double wall if youre having a hard time rotating defensives for bosses
like 3rd boss TJS
or Bird on AA
but if you play it properly shouldnt be needed
clever ginkgo
yeah 3rd boss TJS 2nd phase is the only thing I was thinking ab
strong forum
only on lower keys
the higher you go, the longer the boss lives, impenetrable wall is just better
impenetrable wall increases SS rage gen by 20% btw
thats the big part about it
pallid quiver
everyone forgets that rage gen
noble stratus
how does spell block work with hyrja's abilities?
pallid quiver
that's even boosted by outburst, too
strong forum
nobody ever respects the rage gen
strong forum
how does spell block work with hyrja's abilities?
you block it 
idk what else to tell you
pallid quiver
If you're asking what it blocks, Sense has a sheet in pins
pallid quiver
tells you whether every ability is reflectable/spell block-able, etc
noble stratus
i know its not as obvious but spellblock is block but for spell
u are giving me so many mandl vibes rn
LMFAO
clever ginkgo
double wall if youre having a hard time rotating defensives for bosses
just for future reference, which of the talents are ones you can even consider swapping? like for HoV I find intervene to be really helpful in pugs for Fenrir but I always struggle with what is "droppable"
pallid quiver
Bounding Stride
strong forum
u are giving me so many mandl vibes rn
pallid quiver
so i personally tell my pugs they're on their own, because they'll demand to be on their own even if i intervene
so i'll be damned if i give up my fun for no reason
clever ginkgo
well that's true and all but it doesn't help me time the key lol
just thinking about the "pug proofing"
but I agree
pallid quiver
If they're gonna throw that key on Fenrir fixate, they're gonna throw it
Since you still have to butt hump the DPS in question or they get mauled
hasty wraith
Thanks for the feedback/advice. I will work on my IP/revenge usage, and hopefully I will succesfully live Crawth the next time i get there 🙂
clever ginkgo
ok gotcha
pallid quiver
don't worry, i never live crawth because the DPS can't avoid dying so the healer tells me i'm on my own 🙂
hasty wraith
That is true
strong forum
and then you just ran out of steam
hasty wraith
But I was struggling a lot. This might help fix the underlying issue
strong forum
cuz 3 dps died
clever ginkgo
thanks for all the advice guys, nicest part is just the reassurance on what I was previously using was correct
hasty wraith
Yeah some more dps wouldn't hurt either
clever ginkgo
BEFORE MY CURRENT BUILD
just to be clear
prior to making that I was running majority of what was pinned
strong forum
yea dont listen to random warriors
ive barely seen a single warrior use a not shit talent build
whenever i saw one
toxic pewter
only thing that can ruin a nice day: random warrior
strong forum
its fascinating
how bad most tanks builds are
regardless of class
and regardless of score
toxic pewter
its wild
clever ginkgo
yeah that's what was really shocking me bc everywhere I looked whether it be subcreation, wowhead, icyveins, and here were ALL using booming voice and battering ram
so I was like, this has gotta be wrong
either way tho, you guys are goated
pallid quiver
i don't understand
there's so many resources with at the very least decent builds
and then people just get the worst shit possible
"Shield Charge? I'm a tank, I TANK, bro, I need BSV"
vale escarp
How bad is using Thunderlord and not Battering Ram?
uneven mason
I was messing with a fresh warrior in low keys and got lectured why I was an idiot for not running bt
slim dove
At first glance to any nub, bsv looks insane.
pallid quiver
How bad is using Thunderlord and not Battering Ram?
Pretty bad, since TL is near useless in ST and doesn't add up to nearly as much damage
uneven mason
How bad is using Thunderlord and not Battering Ram?
It provides zero value because the situations where tl would be needed don't logically exist
strong forum
How bad is using Thunderlord and not Battering Ram?
TL is a dps loss as you desync demo shout from your CDs
its a small surv gain cuz more demo uptime but terrible on bosses
and battering ram is insane on bosses
vale escarp
K thx
uneven mason
Damn, is it a DPS loss even when not compared to Battering Ram?
Yes
slim dove
Until we see how strong the "shockwave" effect is, hard to say.
It's a fine tier set regardless.
strong forum
2pc is good
4pc is major fucking ?????
until we have numbers
but judging from other 4pc bonuses
its gonna be irrelevant
unborn vigil
I am not a fan of the tier set. The fact that we have to wait the 15 seconds for last stand to end before gaining the benefits of the 4 piece puts the use of last stand in a very annoying place. Especially if you're trying to line it up with other offensive cooldowns.
strong forum
most 4pc bonuses across all tiersets suck ass and do nothing
fucking 4pc for prot pally is 500 dps
prevoker 4pc is not even worth equipping
youre better off running 2x 2pc
pallid quiver
Honestly, I do prefer they front-load tier set power into the 2p
strong forum
i want 4pc shockwave to hit for 100k++++
pallid quiver
but at least have 4p half decent
urban portal
wait
strong forum
if it doesnt hit that hard
strong forum
its gonna be awful
pallid quiver
I want it to be able to outburst
pallid quiver
just have code it so it just hits every enemy in the cone with SS
just a full rage bar every SS cast
pallid quiver
I am not a fan of the tier set. The fact that we have to wait the 15 seconds for...
I mean, buffing the SS buff from 15% to 30% is pretty chunky, especially when you outburst, and especially when you outburst crit
uneven mason
I want it to have the graphic of us swinging a giant f**king shield overhead and just flattening mobs like a scene from loonytoons
clever ginkgo
wait so I thought the 4pc that you essentially get the "shield slam unleashing a wave of force in front of you and reduces damage" buff immediately after last stand ends and then you can use that proc for up to 10s after last stand wears off
uneven mason
Yeah
clever ginkgo
ok
clever ginkgo
ahhh ok ok
strong forum
for it to do good dmg, it needs to fucking truck
uneven mason
Adds a skill line because if it just does ss damage in a cone, like up that outburst
strong forum
cuz its 3-4 shield slams every 1.5 to 2.5minutes
pallid quiver
It could be based on SS damage, it could be like 500 damage
strong forum
it has to TRUCK to be good dps
pallid quiver
we know nothing about how it does damage atm
clever ginkgo
yeah my guess is DPS = Trash, and they're banking on the effectiveness of the reduced damage
pallid quiver
we know that it will inflict damage
strong forum
its not even implemented in the spell data on PTR
so we know nothing
it doesnt even exist yet
clever ginkgo
uneven mason
I mean it'll make our already most pressed button even more pressy
Like nothing changes, slap SS because we always slap SS
I like it for that
clever ginkgo
are there any "knowns" we have from this new tier set in terms of Talents? Like which talents are gonna be for sure new "must haves" or have they barely affected them yet
uneven mason
Hasn't been any changes
clever ginkgo
talking more so on the 2pc since 4pc is an idk
pallid quiver
Probably Bolster to get more uptime on 30% SS damage
dusky canopy
Oh yeah no way you don’t take bolster
uneven mason
Uh
dusky canopy
Unless it’s just purely that ass
clever ginkgo
yeah I mean in terms of synergizing with the new tier set, any different complementary talents for them are worth it
ok gotcha
uneven mason
I mean that's debatable
clever ginkgo
yeah exactly, that's why I came here haha
dusky canopy
60 second cd on last stand
clever ginkgo
Just curious to see what the leading theorycrafts are
dusky canopy
I don’t see how you don’t take bolster with new tier set
uneven mason
If the cone trucks sure,
dusky canopy
Right unless it’s just that bad we’re it’s not worth
pallid quiver
It'd be like 1.5 CD LS, so you get the doubled buff every 1.5 mins with Bolster
almost definitely the pick in raid
uneven mason
A bit less
pallid quiver
I don't recall exactly how much TaN does, but it probably don't do that much
in comparison to "ha ha funny slam button"
uneven mason
Idk check nom logs
urban portal
definitely will be 1 min
tbh
actually yeah
1.5
1.5 assumes 60 shield slams in 90 seconds which is already on the high end
dusky canopy
Right
pallid quiver
There's also the time where the CDR is doubled while LS is up
pallid quiver
Iirc spitballs are like 20-30s CDR on Bolstered LS
toxic pewter
kind of think the 2 pc cdr should be 1 second and 2 sec during LS
uneven mason
urban portal
1/2 could be possibly too op
low kindle
kind of think the 2 pc cdr should be 1 second and 2 sec during LS
Makes AM affect LS, that would be pretty dope
dusky canopy
1:15-1:20 LS isn’t that op
urban portal
at 1/2 seconds it could possibly be 1 minut
toxic pewter
as it stands apparently the CDR total will be like 12 - 16 seconds or some crap lmao
urban portal
and in that 1 minute you have shield block up for 15 seconds
so you dont even need stuff like HR
toxic pewter
yea gotta get those numbers up
hasty wraith
Is there any way to see the source of generated IP on logs? Like if it from actually pressing the button, tier set or Brutal Vitality?
urban portal
no not really
strong forum
nah
hasty wraith
Ohh thats too bad
toxic pewter
I want them to make it so our tier lines up with avatar tbh
urban portal
there could be a way to do it if you are really good at WCL SQL
but its not that easy
hasty wraith
there could be a way to do it if you are really good at WCL SQL
Only if combat logging actually registers the actual source of generated IP i assume
If that is not the case there probably isnt a way
urban portal
you can just assume any IP not hard casted is from BV
dusky canopy
It’d be nice if it came on at the start of LS that way we could make sure to have a outburst in the bank
crystal mauve
Nice post Mooman 👍
cloud umbra
resto has to get nerfed 100%
cloud umbra
just make our most powerful heal cd even more powerful XD
sick sentinel
i need to figure out how the hell to get to part where i can farm isolon from legion
drops 2 transmogs i want
tropic gorge
Good post
round pendant
Dorki's group pulls imps + 2x mistress + inquisitor and has np
my group pulls imps = dies
tropic gorge
Some groups seem to panic on imp pulls
slim dove
Pulling imps without assigned stops is fun
tropic gorge
And some dps suck shit at avoiding the dot cast
If there's a warlock in a pug, I'll save my Shockwave until after I see his stun. Usually locks in the pugs I've had open with it
tropic gorge
Yessir
And failing that. I'll send out a fear followed by tc
The tc goal is to interrupt the fear and turn it into an aoe interrupt
round pendant
I tell people to let me reflect the first cast
tropic gorge
The imps aren't fear immune
round pendant
and they come in anyway
tropic gorge
I gave up on that in lfg pugs for the same reason
I'll still send Sr, but it's obviously not nearly as effective
crystal mauve
Pugging my way to 3k atm, two more keys (2991 now) and I'm out. Sometimes the group is great and sometimes it's an absolute shit show. Russian roulette every key lol
round pendant
Failed to time a key because we needed a bit of count so I took 1 dps and healer to kill imps while the other guys did puzzle
and we died on imps cause dps ignored me when I said to let me SR them
so went back and did it again and it was fine the second time
and the dudes still hadn't finished the puzzle
cloud umbra
i got my last pity point because they retroactively credited us for azzure vault runs.. i was 2999 and went to 3000
lol
crystal mauve
Last week we missed NO23 Tyra with +2sec. One of the dps "didn't pay attention" on the last two trash before the last boss and die to a very obvious frontal... Sadge
tropic gorge
Last week was a giga push week for me. Went from 2 timed over 15, to 16+ and just over 2200 io.
After that, group invites come faster now
I'm hoping I can do similar this week and weekend
round pendant
I would push but I don't like playing with all randoms and my friend hates higher keys cause they're stressful for him (even tho he's good enough)
so I'm hard stuck at like 2475 rn
crystal mauve
While I have all 22 and a few 23 I can't get invited into any 23 while it's literally the only that would give me IO 😦
tropic gorge
I pug pretty much everything. Occasionally I'll bring a couple people. But mostly it's just me
round pendant
Push your own key up I guess?
tropic gorge
Oh my God. Speaking of pushing.
crystal mauve
I guess but it's discouraging when you get your 23 all the way back to a 20 and have to bring itback up again lol
tropic gorge
So, my key was a 14. Got a group of all 401 plus 2k io players
They blew it tf up and missed timer. OK, whatever. 13 is even easier. Tried again. High io, good ilvl. Depleted
round pendant
I guess but it's discouraging when you get your 23 all the way back to a 20 and ...
Yeah I can see that, that's why I don't really want to do anything higher than a 20 without a full premade
tropic gorge
I said fuck it. I'll wait for reset and push that key
round pendant
They blew it tf up and missed timer. OK, whatever. 13 is even easier. Tried agai...
literally how, I did a +16 with 400 ilvl players (with me as arms, 415 offspec) and it was so easy it was boring
tbf I was doing fat damage
cloud tide
can u use spell reflect tanking broodkeeper anywhere?
tropic gorge
I don't know but after I was a bit miffed
round pendant
can u use spell reflect tanking broodkeeper anywhere?
It lowers the damage of Mortal Stoneclaws, that's the best place imo
tropic gorge
So now I have a 16 I want to push to 19 over the weekend
cloud tide
It lowers the damage of Mortal Stoneclaws, that's the best place imo
thanks
tropic gorge
Have you guys in av had the last boss cast her dragon shit we reflect when Sr isn't back yet, or you end up spamming it to get it in juuust before the cast?
round pendant
You gotta cast SR before she starts casting dragon strike
pallid quiver
Baseline, you can't cover every Dragon Strike with SR
round pendant
and you can get 2 in a row, but prob not 3
pallid quiver
you'd have to cast it before hand, but you run the risk of it being interrupted
round pendant
I don't think you can get every single one yeah
pallid quiver
She can stop the cast, chuck shards, and restart the cast depending on how her HP's going
tropic gorge
Thanks
chilly pulsar
Is there such a thing as too much Versatility? Maybe putting in some Mastery is a better option?
pallid quiver
Only is as much as in comparison to other stats, and that's solved by sims
tropic gorge
I have ultra low vers. It's hardly on any of my gear atm
round pendant
it's ok vers sucks
pallid quiver
There's no baseline or target point for any stats you need, other than what's optimal for damage/softcaps/etc and all
just chuck yourself to the whims of our robit overlords
tropic gorge
I've even stopped using vers flasks and use eye of the storm in m+, and the phial that gives a random secondary Stat boost in raids
round pendant
I just stack as much haste and crit as possible and don't care about the rest
pallid quiver
i slap whatever gear i have that's at the highest ilvl 🙂
round pendant
I've even stopped using vers flasks and use eye of the storm in m+, and the phia...
You should use tepid vers in raid
tepid vers is even pretty good in dungeons too if you're too lazy to have two different flasks in your inv
but eye in the storm is really good
tropic gorge
I get far better results with eye in m+ than vers
sick sentinel
watch out on SBG first pull if you dont kick the shaman will get 2 shot to the ability that reduces hp by 50%
olive mulch
am i gimping myself by making my lariat haste/mastery since I wanna play fury and prot?
analog junco
What‘s your tanking strategy on the adds during the intermission stage of the last boss in Nok? We were doing +17 and I had some hard time to grab all 4 together. We ended up assign kick for each add and allow me 3 sec to grab hates. I am a prot war.
round pendant
am i gimping myself by making my lariat haste/mastery since I wanna play fury an...
No, it won't make much of a difference at all
sick sentinel
haste/choice really
round pendant
If mastery is good for fury then that's probably the best choice outside of crafting two lariats
olive mulch
If mastery is good for fury then that's probably the best choice outside of craf...
ya fury is haste/mastery
round pendant
What‘s your tanking strategy on the adds during the intermission stage of the la...
Meh if they get interrupted, people can just bring them to the boss
If they're not interrupted, you die and it's not your fault
I wouldn't run around trying to grab threat on them all, lmao
round pendant
^
tropic gorge
If they are specd into grippy arms it's an auto invite
round pendant
Spell Reflect is such a good and fun ability I wish all tanks had it
feels bad not having it
crystal mauve
What‘s your tanking strategy on the adds during the intermission stage of the la...
THis is really comp dependent, if you have range kicks/displacement/CC available... In a perfect world a Dk grip everything close worst case scenario kick (they might auto aggro on the healer if you haven't touched them, the healer should stay near you to make sure you can get them)
round pendant
NO final boss is way overtuned on tyranical imho
crystal mauve
Spell Reflect is such a good and fun ability I wish all tanks had it
I play warrior for spell reflect, Dk for grip, Pally for kickmachine. I haven't found similar niche/fun things with other tanks yet tho
cloud umbra
the 3rd boss is WAY harder
torpid junco
is getting 1 shot by hyrja frontal with spell reflect up normal?
cloud umbra
gale arrow into hits
round pendant
3rd boss is really easy lol
crystal mauve
is getting 1 shot by hyrja frontal with spell reflect up normal?
Yes if that's the only layer you use and the key level is high enough
round pendant
I'd say in difficulty on tyr it's 4>2>3>1
cloud umbra
no way
at all
thats right
2 is nerfed to shit haha
id go 3-4-2-1
as a healer myself lol
crystal mauve
Healer carry hard these fights tho
tropic gorge
For nok, besides being a dk. You have to set a cc and kick rotation
cloud umbra
gale arrow does like 90% of everyones health
tropic gorge
Or the healer is dead
cloud umbra
then immediately casts bow shots
crystal mauve
gale arrow does like 90% of everyones health
If it hit you for 90% either you don't have a defensive or the key level is really high
round pendant
still sounds like people aren't using defensives to me
cloud umbra
just healed a 22 and it was close to that
low shadow
Smart people, do we still BL on 2nd shield on rasza? And what is it that it gives, more time between shields?
My guild wants maths to swap bl timings
round pendant
BL in phase 1 skips like zero mechanics
BL on shield gives way more damage because of the stormsurge buff
it's just better
crystal mauve
With the nerf you don't need BL on shield anymore, we are blasting through it easilly even with a few dead dps
low shadow
Does it give more time between shields to pump boss hp as well?
round pendant
since you're only getting 1 lust anyway so may as well use it when everyone has a big damage buff
uncut thunder
is getting 1 shot by hyrja frontal with spell reflect up normal?
Gotta use some sort of defensive there. Pop to def stance too
cloud umbra
we lust last phase
used to lust shields but now we make that damage check easily without
chilly pulsar
How's the optimal sim to see if I got too much Vers?
Stat Weights?
I have 14% versa 2.8k :LUL:
torpid junco
do we run double wall talent in halls?
strong forum
no
strong forum
How's the optimal sim to see if I got too much Vers?
top gear
round pendant
I only run double wall in TJS
torpid junco
is demo shout and sspell reflect enough then for hyrja? i cant wall them all
round pendant
It's a bit of a crutch for 3rd boss and final pack
cloud umbra
i dont see a need for it in any dungeon tbh.. you get it up fast enough to use it twice on 3rd boss already
uncut thunder
I only run double wall in TJS
Good idea
cloud umbra
is demo shout and sspell reflect enough then for hyrja? i cant wall them all
demo should reflect and d stance should be good for one at a 23 and under level.. otherwise higher id probably run spell block to cover the gaps
uncut thunder
3rd boss and the last adds on fort week. That could help
crystal mauve
is demo shout and sspell reflect enough then for hyrja? i cant wall them all
If you take too much damage your primary job is still to stay alive, stay in Def stance for this boss if you need (ideally you swap in Def stance just before the tank buster). Aim for 40% damage reduction for each tank buster - Reflect+Demo or Shield Wall or Spell block. Make sure to stack double Ignore pain too. If you messed up something, Last stand can help survive the hit. Make sure to be full life when that happens (IVictory)
torpid junco
yea im dying on 23s' to it
cloud umbra
i dont get the 3rd boss argument though. You can wall 1st and 4th jade strike safely without double wall
cloud umbra
no shot
spell block up it almost does no damage
was your actual block up
as well
torpid junco
not sure
cloud umbra
might be the issue if it fell off
You can wall first, spell block 2nd wall 3rd, healer cd forth, and reflect + d stance every one
in higher keys
round pendant
if you died through spell block your shield block prob dropped off
sick sentinel
shaman dying in said SBG
shrewd grove
What are everyone's thoughts on the new set bonuses?
sick sentinel
3 casts and poof
cloud umbra
damn he didnt get dispelled at all haha
round pendant
What are everyone's thoughts on the new set bonuses?
Just prot wars? I like em
chilly pulsar
is demo shout and sspell reflect enough then for hyrja? i cant wall them all
Use Spell Block
shrewd grove
Yeah just prot warr. I'm honestly kind of excited for Bolster to be a big time focus
cloud umbra
out of all the tank bonuses i really like BDK bonuses the most
sick sentinel
are we supposed to use the inner rings as melee to soak boss so we can also attack boss
or, i don't really understand the cloud mechanic, go sit a rune, its dumb
sometimes during it take a bunch of dmg, other times nothin
cloud umbra
first boss?
chilly pulsar
Shadowmoon Bone. Seems to be trash
hard dust
for AA, do we take haste or vers?
sick sentinel
yeah first boss
crystal mauve
sometimes during it take a bunch of dmg, other times nothin
If you take damage you might be in a dagger AOE on the ground (you can't see them when it goes dark)
sick sentinel
i know you can sit on the outside runes but not sure about inside ones, apparently its some 80% DR
crystal mauve
for AA, do we take haste or vers?
I do haste for Fortified and Vers for Tyranical (to help with the bird bleed)
sick sentinel
it could be she is supposed to have some tripple melee magic crap
tropic gorge
for AA, do we take haste or vers?
I like haste. Some dudes take crit
crystal mauve
i know you can sit on the outside runes but not sure about inside ones, apparent...
Yes you MUST stant on the white inner ring (or outside runes)
tropic gorge
And iirc the aa vers buff is raiting not percent so it's affected by dr
sick sentinel
im supposed to go to an inner one so i can continue attacking it right, i feel like ive got punished when trying inner ones before
crystal mauve
And iirc the aa vers buff is raiting not percent so it's affected by dr
I though it was the opposite and was not affected?
tropic gorge
I though it was the opposite and was not affected?
Its possible I'm wrong and mistaken. I cannot test it atm
tropic gorge
im supposed to go to an inner one so i can continue attacking it right, i feel l...
Just take a rune on the ring and wait it out
crystal mauve
im supposed to go to an inner one so i can continue attacking it right, i feel l...
You can't reach the boss while you are on the white inner ring. Keep an eye on you debuff, you should have something telling you 80% less damage taken from whatever
cloud umbra
im supposed to go to an inner one so i can continue attacking it right, i feel l...
i dont know what inner one you mean, i only think there is one ring and thats one you cant attack the boss
crystal mauve
i dont know what inner one you mean, i only think there is one ring and thats on...
You can stand on the white runes on the edges as well, I believe this is the outer ring (so I assument the white most inner ring is the ring everyone stand on)
coarse flower
is there a reason why tanks arent using grieftorch in high keys? i think everyone is running icon+alltotem right now
cloud umbra
you cant block while channeling it right?
coarse flower
yea
sick sentinel
coarse flower
but realistically youre never pressing it in danger anyway
sick sentinel
there is an outer ring or runes, and an inner ring of moon icons
tropic gorge
Yogi stand on the white circle thing, and wait out the shadow wave then carry on
Ezpz
coarse flower
idk
tank icon seems kinda lame for the group in M+
the good ones are the healer and dps icon
crystal mauve
tank icon seems kinda lame for the group in M+
You do it for your group, they get more stats overall, and you do too. More stat the more better which is goodest
coarse flower
if I were to hypothetically drop a trinket for torch
would I drop icon or alltotem?
for tyran keys*
crystal mauve
I guess All totem as you have less value in single target and bosses is where you loose time in Tyra?
coarse flower
idk how I'd check the numbers, but surely icon for my group would be less group damage gain, compared to me sending a torch
tropic gorge
Wouldn't icon work best with at least 2 in the group? Or am I thinking of a different trinket
Also, /me touches grass
😉
coarse flower
crystal mauve
idk how I'd check the numbers, but surely icon for my group would be less group ...
If your dps and healer have it Icon is better because the total stat is higher than the damage output from Torch. Also it might be hard to cast Troch on CD and have 100 possible cast. While you will get 100% value of Icon
coarse flower
ya everyone but my spriest has icon
crystal mauve
Then Icon is most likely better
round pendant
then don't grief the others by using grief hehe
coarse flower
the alternative is dropping all-totem which everyone is running
practically every tank, but the dmg is very average
in the past running a trinket for 'defensive' value especially which relies on random procs has generally never been good
scenic mural
All totem doubles as dmg and defensive, ususlly adds up to ~5% of my dmg
coarse flower
yea but thinking of the trinket's defensive component sounds kinda cap
idk anyone that sees the all-totem proc and goes ' ok im safe now and will use less defensives '
distant crystal
are the offspec icon procs independent
like if you add the tank proc do you keep getting the same # of healer procs?
and just also get tank procs in addition?
crystal mauve
I blieve it's the same proc but you get more stats of you have the other present
coarse flower
yea
crystal mauve
(But each proc is per player/item, you can't proc 3 times and you mate none)
toxic pewter
You guys think the drake of the north wind will drop in vortex pinnacle m+
crystal mauve
You guys think the drake of the north wind will drop in vortex pinnacle m+
They will probably leave it on the loot table yeah, no reason why they would remove it
toxic pewter
Yah I agree
coarse flower
no
does impenetrable wall provides a shorter wall cd compared to defenders aegis (double wall talent)?
modern brook
does impenetrable wall provides a shorter wall cd compared to defenders aegis (d...
Charges don't reduce cds
coarse flower
nah but its got a 30sec reduced cd
toxic pewter
Freehold drops mount too. Actually multiple mounts dropping in season 2 dungeons. Doesn’t underrot also have a mount
crystal mauve
nah but its got a 30sec reduced cd
Yes, you reduce by more than 30sec with Imp Wall
coarse flower
is that shorter compared to pressing SS on as much as possible with the other talent
icic
is it significantly different or basically the same cd with both talents? (and the benefit of impenetrable wall just the extra rage)
crystal mauve
More overall uptime with Imp Wall but more uptime in a shorter window with Aegis
coarse flower
"Do I press shield slam more than 6 times in 3 minutes"
yea i guess that makes sense
crystal mauve
The question is, do I need SW more than once every 60s? If yes, you might consider Aegis (TJS 3rd boss for example) but otherwise it doesn't seems necessay
strong forum
With imp wall you have SW ready every 60 seconds
Every 2nd combo on rlp 2nd boss for example
modern brook
Yeah 2 charges is specifically to beat certain tank busters that are more than 60s apart
Which is like tjs?
strong forum
Exclusively tjs
crystal mauve
Yeah 2 charges is specifically to beat certain tank busters that are more than 6...
You mean less than 60s appart I blieve*
coarse flower
Every 2nd combo on rlp 2nd boss for example
my worry is first boss honestly on RLP, idk what Id do to survive the first boss without double wall talent
strong forum
First boss?
coarse flower
ill see if I can find a log
yea, the constant tank busters> chillstorm can kill me if nothing is up
cloud umbra
double wall makes first boss worse in RLP
coarse flower
and theres downtime during the 2 phases
cloud umbra
you can get almost 4 walls up in a higher key
strong forum
^
modern brook
and theres downtime during the 2 phases
In rlp?
strong forum
Make sure to use SR just as chill storm happens
oak echo
Between reflect, spell block, IV and demo you don't need double wall as long as you're not using CDs during the suck when you're taking no bolts to the face
strong forum
What kills isn't chillstorm, its the overlap of tank buster + chillstorm popping
cloud umbra
i dont see one case in the current dungeons where double wall is better
crystal mauve
my worry is first boss honestly on RLP, idk what Id do to survive the first boss...
Just make sure to have Spell block/wall for each group damage so it doesn't overlap with a cast and one shot you. You should be good otherwise
strong forum
You can SW - spell block - SW - Spellblock - SW - spell block
With imp wall
Not exactly after one another
coarse flower
What kills isn't chillstorm, its the overlap of tank buster + chillstorm popping
i didnt know I could
crystal mauve
i dont see one case in the current dungeons where double wall is better
TJS 3rd boss in high tyranical is the only one
strong forum
i didnt know I could
It's to remove the tank buster
So don't have that burst of 2 spells hitting at the same time
cloud umbra
without gimping yourself the rest of the dungeon
oak echo
i didnt know I could
Reflect right before the chillstorm push back happens and you'll get the DR + free reflect on first bolt
strong forum
look at your poor SW usage on that boss
you didnt use SW for 1.5min straight
on a 26
now tell me you need double wall there 😄
cloud umbra
is that temple 3rd boss?
strong forum
no its RLP first boss
2.5min between spell block usages
like
surely you can play that better @coarse flower
cloud umbra
yep double wall is an extremely fake "failsafe" thats actually gimping you
coarse flower
2.5min between spell block usages
yea youre not wrong I can definitely line up my cds better
on pull I spell block on second tank buster
then I try to use nothing until the first 75% push phase
so theres a huge gap there
coarse flower
honestly i watched a random lepan video and he was like "you want to put spell block on CD on pull"
i never questioned it
strong forum
just use SW + spellblock before 75%
then by the time that phase ends
youll have SW back up again
mighty valley
SW is only 8 seconds and you have a CDR talent, you want to get value out of that
strong forum
and until its scary again, you have spell block again
after that until its scary again you have SW again
atleast in theory
that boss is insanely scripted
rarely ever will you be hit by more than 3 shards
and since you have SR, you only need to life 2
cloud umbra
add phase sucks for the healer but its a fat breather for you as the tank haha
lets all your stuff come off Cd
then back to sw SB reflect IV a few sw
strong forum
here you got clapped because of the overlap
you got hit by chillstorm and frigid shard
thats why you dropped low
if you time your SR there, youre bing chilling
and after that she didnt cast anything for a whole 8 seconds
coarse flower
so is the idea to have spell reflect ready for every single chillstorm>shard overlap
strong forum
yes
chillstorm dot does nothing
explosion alone does nothing
combine the tank buster + explosion, thats scary
cloud umbra
for us its the healer getting chillstorm too when i need to press something more
strong forum
and if you have a big CD rolling, obv its not scary
coarse flower
ok so i kinda understand why lepan sends his spell block very early which I tried to copy without thinking much
i can technically spell block first 4 tank busters and also the first chillstorm; and it puts it on cd straight away
strong forum
okay that reasoning makes sense
but hes not SRing the overlap on chillstorm either
and again, the dot of chillstorm does nothing
coarse flower
yea thats something I'll do now
coarse flower
lepan is actually running imp wall in this key
strong forum
yes cuz double wall is troll
hes not even using SR often enough
he literally sat on it for a good 30 seconds
tropic gorge
I spam Sr on rlp first boss. She can be mean
strong forum
his spellblock there on the 2nd chillstorm
did absolutely 0
cuz he reflected frigid shard, which is the scary part
he couldve held onto it even slightly longer
and the fact that its up for that chillstorm there is due to phasing times, like yeah the first spellblock use is good
see the next chillstorm
he had 0 cds up
only reflected the shard
and was bing chilling
didnt even lose hp
he said he was playing greedy but all he did was SR at the right time
coarse flower
only reflected the shard
yea thats insane, didnt think it was that strong when timed properly
i guess he had demo shout running but its still very strong
strong forum
all that you need to do on chillstorm
is obv be healthy when it pops, but just use SR to not get hit by the wombo of melee+friigid shard+chillstorm explosion
obv you wanna commit CDs if you have them ready, but its not like you can RNG flop there if you time your SR
and on the very last chillstorm, he used SR too late, so he wasted several uses actually in this fight
he couldve had it for it up aswell
coarse flower
it looks like theres periods in the fight where she'll cast 4 frigid shards back to back
strong forum
yes
coarse flower
im just checking if I can line up my wall for those everytime (timings will obviously change depending on how quick my group can push the boss % to whelp phases but I want to plan something anyway instead of randomly sending cds)
cause the 8sec wall would fit perfectly
also whats your thoughts on heavy rep vs into the fray+bolster build?
noble wyvern
Has anyone seen predictions for 10.1? The new setbonus seems ok, but so does it for more classes..
strong forum
you sacrifice too many talents just to get 100% block uptime with itf+bolster
feral basin
You guys use tepid versa flask on tyra weeks or eye in the storm?
strong forum
always eye
if you wanna mega minmax, swap to tepid for boss, then back to eye for trash
but in general, default to eye in keys
feral basin
ok
coarse flower
if you wanna mega minmax, swap to tepid for boss, then back to eye for trash
speaking of that minmax, does anyone have a weakaura for this? ive seen some EU tank have a weakaura that pops up before bosses in M+ to swap phials but i can't find on wago
coarse flower
i can ask him
yea let me know if you end up finding it, tyty for looking over my log
strong forum
if its not in simc, its not on raidbots
all you really need to know is, that if you have 2 stacks, its pretty much equal to tepid vers
on 3+ it obv shoots massively ahead
good question
craggy pilot
@mighty valley finally its dead ❤️
mighty valley
razzy down?!
craggy pilot
razzy down?!
yep
strong forum
looks like 30sec
craggy pilot
but man the nerfs today did a lot
craggy pilot
somewhat messy raid, but we still got it down 😄
tropic gorge
Eye is awesome on m+
strong forum
id assume so
doesnt say refresh
as you can see
only lost the buffs once the pull ended
actually i think it might have to do with the mob being alive or not
so it doesnt have a direct duration of buff but how long the enemy lives
and reapplies instantly with the next mob
woven palm
Does Spell Reflect take priority over spell block if overlaped?
strong forum
yes
keen tendon
Hey guys, when simming should i use what it says or should i take stats into consideration as prot?
strong forum
simming is just fine
coarse flower
in Nokhud you can outrange the 'Arcing Strike' during the cast to take 0 damage, is there any other tankbusters from trash or bosses that I can outplay the mechanic the same way?
warm plinth
in Nokhud you can outrange the 'Arcing Strike' during the cast to take 0 damage,...
Pretty much every frontal/tank hit except void slash and dark claw
I'll list some though
nocturne spindle
am i crazy i thought you could outrange void slash
odd tree
piercing shards
warm plinth
You can, but not by backstepping