protection

[jagged pier]

the new talent

wog healing

1 min aoe intuprt

avenger shield

rebuke

[slim dove]

Sancitifed plating?

[jagged pier]

stun

[jagged pier]

ye

[slim dove]

4 talent points worth of stats in 1

It's disgusting

[jagged pier]

oh aoe blind

[slim dove]

Stop jakey

I dontnhave time to reroll lmao

[jagged pier]

spellwarding

[crimson furnace]

pls stop

pls

:))))

[jagged pier]

or bop

[crimson furnace]

it hurts

[dusky canopy]

He’s justifying our riot for buffs

[slim dove]

2x rally outside of raid and lust

Give it.

[jagged pier]

btw apart from new talent its had all this from launch

[slim dove]

Also party wide spell reflect

[jagged pier]

but ppl told me i was wrong when i said it was OMEGA slept on at the start

[pallid shale]

Sounds pretty nasty tbh

[barren walrus]

Sounds tasty! How beginner friendly to actually pick up and do well? You mentioned bdk and pal not needing a healer...but I've heard bdk is not as beginner friendly

(obviously they all need practice)

[jagged pier]

paladin is easy

sotr is easy to keep up

and u have to stand in conc

well done

u have mastered the class

[dusky canopy]

Yeah paladin is the easier of the two for sure

[barren walrus]

Appreciate the feedback!

[dusky canopy]

I will say

BDK is probably the easiest it’s ever been

They’re swimming in resources

So you don’t really have to manage like it used to be

[unique nova]

Anyone know of any current information about how weapon dps affects ability damage? I know it got changed a while back to scale mainly on attack power but I'm getting different information about wdps effect

[strong forum]

all thats relevant to know is that weapon is the biggest factor to physical dps classes

with BFA they made it so weapon dps affects all dmg abilities of physical dps

so its not only attack power

[crude elm]

408 icon v 415 blazebinder's hoof mostly for m+. Sims are coming out 1-2% higher for the hoof. Are the intangibles worth it for the icon?

[strong forum]

icon if your group has it

hoof if your group doesnt have it

[crude elm]

cheers

[sick sentinel]

new gpu drivers for rtx ready

[tropic gorge]

Lol paladins don't even need a buff

Imo

[uneven mason]

Wdps is just translated into an AP value

Archimitrios could give you the ELI5 version of how it works

[pallid quiver]

Omega doubt

Shadowlands S3/4 says hi

[uneven mason]

Ok, baseline it's the easiest it's ever been

Like end of expansion in an expansion that had what, 5 borrowed power systems....mudflation at it's best

[elder garden]

3.3.5 says hi

[sick sentinel]

i swear that mage that was raging about not getting his horn, uhh i think right before that it was him and a priest, arguing about m+ or raiding being to only reason to play the game

could have been 2 other guys, but it happened in hov ias all i remember

also, i appear to have 1 single video file containing 3 back to back 16 1 6 17 SBG's

i could look up some of those logs, i know some of them werent good

[lusty tiger]

How exactly does the wave of TJS 3rd boss work?:
Do I have to exit the death circle before I can dodge the fire wave?

I noticed it follows me if I try and run out 45 degrees of the boss (opposed to 0, 90, 180)

[mighty valley]

idk, i just get out of the circle anyway

[strong forum]

100% rng

[mighty valley]

and then i have time to check the wave spawns and avoid on my way back in

[odd tree]

yea, book it out, check for wave once you clear, dodge and charge

[lusty tiger]

4 real?

I no longer have charge

I am rp as a prot warrior of the light

[strong forum]

the waves are 100% rng

the circle you run out of praying you dont stand where a wave spawns

[sick sentinel]

what abilities can you use while channeling the shield in halls of valor?
I always have anxiety of pressing buttons there.

[odd tree]

and they hit 100% of the dps in your run

[strong forum]

all of em

[mighty valley]

everything except other channels

[strong forum]

nothing of our buttons interrupts it

[mighty valley]

i've never had a grieftorch or puzzlebox, dunno if they would

[strong forum]

they will

[sick sentinel]

Inclusive shield charge?
I have PTSD from using fel dev on my DH and get anxiety on the warrior.

[strong forum]

yes

[lusty tiger]

Expel harm on a monk too

[strong forum]

monk is fucked

[mighty valley]

so long as it doesn't displace you or bring up a cast bar you're good

[strong forum]

for them expel harm and sck cancels it iirc

[sick sentinel]

out of curiosity, leap interrupts the channel right?

[strong forum]

lol

yes

[toxic pewter]

[strong forum]

why would you leap after using shield

[sick sentinel]

XD

I have 5 cats. Funny story how i used fel dev on my dh

While channeling

[dusky canopy]

Leap he asks

Imagine if you could actually leap away with the shield

Fuck the whole party lmao

[rain light]

some tank did that and id instantly leave

[lusty tiger]

sometimes skovald charges to a caster moments before the ragnarok phase

that is mega giga crinj

[lime urchin]

You can turn the shield around to make your party scream a lot

[uneven mason]

This

[round pendant]

How much of a dps increase is the draconic augment rune?

it's like 87 strength right? how in the world is that ever worth using for 2k each

[uneven mason]

Idk but I sell a lot of them

[dense solstice]

Hi all... just started the game for the first time. I've created a warrior because i will like to tank, always been tank in other games. The question is: is warrior good/easy to learn as a total newbie? Or there is some more suited class? And, how difficult is tanking in this game?

[round pendant]

yeah I sold a bunch but now satchels are never up

[round pendant]

Warrior is suitable, it's very easy.

[dense solstice]

Thanks 🙂

[uneven mason]

Literally the easiest tank currently

[dusky canopy]

Warrior is very press all buttons as much as possible while maintaining shield block

So definitely beginner friendly

[dense solstice]

Lol, nice... I've choosed it because it was the most appealing, for me

[round pendant]

And if you feel like dpsing, Arms Warrior is also very easy

so I think warrior is a good choice for a first class

[dusky canopy]

Idk man current arms blows

You have to thunderclap and ip inside cs for optimal Tom buff

[dense solstice]

This is nice too... Only role i don't like to play is healer... i'm terrible at this

[uneven mason]

Why I farm heroics on my paladin, because I can queue as the role with the bag and just run as prot because at 411 I do top damage and healing anyway

[round pendant]

So?

[dusky canopy]

Don’t like it at all but to each there own

I like arms when it’s 4 buttons

[uneven mason]

Arms is fun wym

[dusky canopy]

Not 20

[dense solstice]

👍

[round pendant]

There's like.. 8 buttons

off the top of my head

[uneven mason]

It's that minmax shit that new players don't need to worry about

That makes arms not fun in competitive tiers

[dusky canopy]

Idk it just feels weird to me if they didn’t have to use TC or IP offensively I’d be a lot happier

[round pendant]

IP is oGCD so it's irrelevant

[uneven mason]

But if you're not Tom obsessed it's fine

[round pendant]

I like tclap as an ability so

[dusky canopy]

10.0 arms was cooler

Imo

[round pendant]

Legion arms was the best

But Arms right now isn't too bad, just the general warrior tree sucks ass imo

[dusky canopy]

S4 sl arms was pretty neat

[round pendant]

I don't like how it's very much

you either do good single target OR good aoe

and zero utility for arms if you go for the good talents

[dusky canopy]

Honestly the spec is fine I guess biggest issue for me is how I do my keybinds just feels really weird when I have to try to make arms abilities work

Worked great in 10.0

The addition of TC and IP totally fucked my setup lol

[round pendant]

Maybe it's because I started as prot this expansion (and haven't played since legion) so I already have comfy binds for tclap and ip

[dusky canopy]

That’s exactly it

How I use them as Prot makes them be in a very weird spot for arms

Like tc on 2 and ip on 5 as arms would be weird

At least for me anyway

[round pendant]

I have tc on 2 and IP on R

1 mortal strike, 3 OP, 4 Cleave

🤷‍♂️

[dusky canopy]

Hmm I just know I like to keep the buttons I press the most on 1-4

Tc isn’t that often is it?

Basically only during CS

I guess it’s kinda often

I should quit crying about it and play around with the binds some more LUL

[uneven mason]

Probably

[round pendant]

Eh it doesn't really matter to me how often I press buttons

it's more about context for me

and cooldown

like my aoe cooldowns are on shift-keys on all my classes

[dusky canopy]

Context exactly

3 is usually my cleave button

[round pendant]

but tclap is low cd and used in rotation for prot, and I keep it on arms so I don't have to relearn it

so it stays on 2

[dusky canopy]

Word I might try it like that

Maybe I’ll do 1-6
MS TC OP Cleave IP WW

Cleave on my shield block bind might work

[round pendant]

Whirlwind for me is Shift-1

[dusky canopy]

That’s Ava for me on all specs

[round pendant]

lmao avatar is like my weirdest bind

alt+5

[dusky canopy]

I mean hey it works for you

Weird finger flexing going on there LOL

[cloud umbra]

had someone tell me they used control 6 and it blew my mind that ppl stretch their fingers that far

[round pendant]

I try to avoid modifiers+6 as much as possible

[mortal brook]

objectively best keybinds are ofc ~-6 rotation, shift 1-5 defensives , f1-f4 offensives , q-y utility, f-g trinkets. anything else that makes more sense to you as a player is ofc preposterous

[round pendant]

6 is my IV

[cloud umbra]

i use 6 but thats the furthest i use

[dusky canopy]

Shift 6 is rally for me on all specs

[cloud umbra]

no 7

[round pendant]

shift f is rally for me

[cloud umbra]

SG here

[dusky canopy]

IV here

[cloud umbra]

all my heals are modifiers of G haha

[dusky canopy]

1-6 rotational
Shift 1-6 CDs
Rtfgvad + shift rtfgvad utility
Mouse keys movement + misc

[mortal brook]

rtfgv

bless you

[dusky canopy]

G is the weirdest to hit for sure

That’s usually where I put immunities

[chilly brook]

I use all of those

Except for g and t

But I used to use those two

[dusky canopy]

Oh and a d

Forgot that

[chilly brook]

I’ve instead moved to x and c

[dusky canopy]

Hmmm

I like to do the Halo thing though when the homies have floor pov

Xxxxxxx

[chilly brook]

I mean you could just move that to another bind

[dusky canopy]

Fair

[chilly brook]

X is avatar c is charge

Z is also probably primo real estate for a bind

[dusky canopy]

F for fExecute

[lime urchin]

Wait, y’all don’t spellbook cast your spells?

Try hards

[dusky canopy]

P on pull gamer

[rugged pasture]

Hey guys, I'm looking for a little advice, gearing wise. I'm currently ilvl 412.44 and have these choices in my vault.

I'm torn, because on the one hand the legs are an ilvl jump of 19... but the ring is BiS and I'm assuming, once I get my Frostfire belt, probably a bigger deal... That and rings are harder to get in general, i think?

I can also replace these raid legs with mythic legs, then catalyze them and upgrade to 415. I'm very unsure which way to go lol

[tropic gorge]

I know a guy who claims he is a clicker, and clicks most of his abilities. He does 22 keys on 2 toons. I don't believe him

[hybrid gust]

probably socket right?

[chilly brook]

You don’t have to be good to do 22s

Everyone else just has to be

[tropic gorge]

Lmao

If the dude just did a couple and no more, I'd give more credence to his claim. But he tanks with dk and warrior

[modern brook]

[chilly brook]

Oh

So he’s in the role that he can slack off the most

As long as he knows a route and doesn’t die seems about right

[modern brook]

The revised prot war rotation is stay in dstance->charge->ava->shieldblock->alttab to your perdue scholastic business 103 test->work on problem for 12s->alt tab->shieldblock

[tropic gorge]

Maybe it's just me, but man no way. I can't click all the things

[chilly brook]

Kekw

[modern brook]

I got my MBA before i got KSM

[tropic gorge]

I wish more people understood how not difficult it is to get ksm. Not the time all at 20, but the basic one

[modern brook]

are you doing mythic raid?

[tropic gorge]

If you play enough you'll get it. It's almost a pat on the back award or participation trophy

[modern brook]

like an mba :^)

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[urban portal]

what are you doing with your mba

[modern brook]

20s mostly

[sturdy meadow]

Hey quick queston

does spellblock mitigate raszageths special tank laser in phase 3?

[modern brook]

pins has a spreadsheet with that shit

p sure yes

[full wind]

dumb question

but whats the best way to deal with ice cutter in av?

I feel like even tho I outrange it still hits sometimes its crazy

[modern brook]

are you blocking it

[dusky canopy]

So you can only range certain ones

[full wind]

spellblock/reflect?

[modern brook]

^

[full wind]

yeah

[modern brook]

no real block

[dusky canopy]

Two named mobs cast ice cutter

[full wind]

shield block is always up

[dusky canopy]

One doesn’t have a range it’s unlimited Idr

[modern brook]

yeah thats not the qustion tho 😦

if you're trying to out range all of them

its very likely you're giving ass

cause like brew said

one isnt out-range-able

[dusky canopy]

If you’re in combat

Shield block should be active

[full wind]

talking about the vault guards

[dusky canopy]

And you should be facing what you’re in combat with

[mortal brook]

if phys hits are coming in or shield slams are going out, shield block up 👍 uptime on a details doesnt have to be 100% tho cuz travel, downtime or encounterspace stuff happens

[full wind]

im not fully retarded, rio is 3k but its the one ability im not sure how to handle properly

[modern brook]

😦 you got a log fin

im not trying to tell you to keep your sb up

im saying watch how you back up

[narrow hull]

yeah but if you're out of combat with shield sheathed you can block on your back

[dusky canopy]

If you’re talking about the first pull with 4 ice cutters happening right after the rings

Just use shield wall and block

If we’re talking +24s then it might require more

I’ve done a 22

[mortal brook]

cycle cds on the ice cutters. or move out of em since its like 8 yards

not reflectable, can spellblock/physblock

[sick sentinel]

the fire elemental in ruby, when he's raging and he dies, that ring is raging'd too?

[mortal brook]

yes but why would you check that

[sharp steppe]

It doesn’t

[sick sentinel]

well, now i know not to fuck around with it then

[tame jasper]

You never want to stand in the jurnout @sick sentinel

[elder tapir]

Are there any thoughts on the new ring coming out?

[median tulip]

It's not that interesting

[oblique badger]

i currently have the axe from temple. I just got strike twice from nokhud. the stats on the axe are perfect, but multiple resources say strike twice, even with less than ideal stats, outperform the axe dps wise. thoughts?

[jagged pier]

well it will

its a free embleishment

[oblique badger]

yeah i gathered that, i just wasnt sure if it would actually increase overall damage output

[pallid quiver]

It's only worth the swap at same ilvl, though. It's like 1-2 ilvl difference or something

[jagged pier]

eh?

my 415 strike twice is better than 418 weps

probably equal or just worse than 421 weps that arent strike twice

[oblique badger]

my axe is currently 411, and the strike twice would be 415

[dusky canopy]

Wait really 415 is equal to 421?

[pallid quiver]

I'm probably off by how much, but it's still not a major difference overall; I remember a 415 simming worse than my 421 vault wep

[dusky canopy]

Guess NoK farm here I come

[jagged pier]

0.3% dps increase for a normal 421 wep for me

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, and a 418 Strike Twice is right over the margin of error

[jagged pier]

which is 130 dps

which is literally just outside the margin of error

so 415 strike twice is pretty big

[full wind]

was actually talking about 24 and up, ive finished a 23 but it chunks and I just wanted to properly understand the mechanic

[sharp steppe]

Not rly needed tbh. Atleast form my (pretty small) experience. Shieldblock + IP was usually enough for 3 Guards on 25 this week

[pallid quiver]

If you're counting aoe in, at about 3 ilvl difference probably for Strike Twice, since 5 targets 1:30's simming within margin of error as a decrease, so it's worth-ish on average for like 3 ilvl, more if you're focused on ST

[jagged pier]

his axe is a lower ilvl already

[pallid quiver]

Overall, definitely bis weapon, probably worth like 6 ilvl since ST scawy

[jagged pier]

its literally better to have strike twice

[pallid quiver]

oh if it's (the non-strike twice) lower then yeah

Listen I'm at work, I can't read everything jakey im stupid like that

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-nodding-nodding-cat-gif-21995841

[undone verge]

421 chest off of dathea, boom

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it'll be like having a 417 wep almost

[undone verge]

now my lowest item is 415

[crystal mauve]

Question for the mods, why don't we have reactions emotes available in this discord?

[undone verge]

people probably abused them

[rugged pasture]

@warm plinth No, not yet. Only done 1 heroic Vault. Just doing mythic atm and just hit 20s recently

[sick sentinel]

ruby life pools is a bit tough this week

finbal boss murdered us 3 or 4 times

[warm plinth]

Not sure why I got pinged but the ring is only bis if you have the mythic one because of the ilevel

[odd tree]

always thought the 2nd boss was harder as folks suck at positioning

also she smacks the tank

[uneven mason]

2nd boss is soloable if it wasn't for the bleed

Like just kite, literally have the whole ring

[sick sentinel]

alot went wrong in that key but aslot went right in that no raging morons

and we killed final boss

[warm plinth]

2nd boss of what

[odd tree]

rlp

[dusky canopy]

So basically what we learned today is 415 strike twice is better than 418 crafted weapon not embellished

[sick sentinel]

RLP, i ran it on a 16 just now and we crashed that key hard lol

[warm plinth]

How would it be soloable without the bleed 🤔

[dusky canopy]

[odd tree]

i mean, last boss can really f with groups, but focusing the dragon really helps

[uneven mason]

The damage is controllable without the chonky dot

[sick sentinel]

tried to solo the final boss until it hit me for 371k storm slam

[mighty valley]

so the boss is soloable except for the thing that makes it not soloable

you could say that about much of world of warcraft...

[dusky canopy]

[rugged pasture]

So the 418 version isn't worth taking over 421 legs, then? I'm kinda new. Only been 70 for 3 weeks and Havnt played the game for 12 years prior, sorry for the dumb question

[warm plinth]

I would take the pants

[rugged pasture]

Thanks, I appreciate your advice!

[dusky canopy]

Just remove bleed from all dungeons

And we win

[warm plinth]

Idk I'm pretty sure you'd melt eventually due to inferno

[uneven mason]

I mean just in response to why that boss is a challenge

[odd tree]

roll dwarf in 10.1

[dusky canopy]

That’s the plan can’t wait

[uneven mason]

Rolled dwarf in 8.0

[dusky canopy]

Dwarf owns

[uneven mason]

Dark iron, because the debuff absorb would give str per stack and underrott was a blast...

Oh , charge through 9mushrooms and eat the debuff, don't mind if I do

[odd tree]

i will miss being a gigantic cow, but at least i get to tmog helms again

[uneven mason]

Heritage set is legit vrykul but 1/8th scale

[odd tree]

i just saw that! pumped!

also bull rush can be pretty clutch, but just doesn't stack up to bleed removal

[uneven mason]

DiD heritage is basically mini Minecraft

[odd tree]

with primary stat...

[uneven mason]

Very cubic

[modern brook]

take the legs

content your doing doesnt need a diurna ring

legs are a big mainstat peice, 421 teir isnt getting replaced anytime soon

[odd tree]

and their mount is a corehound

[uneven mason]

More like a core Chihuahua

[hybrid gust]

is SR+SB enough for 3rd bss in TJS?

[uneven mason]

Depends how long she lives

[round pendant]

Yeah for two kicks

[warm plinth]

SB is shield block, not spell block

[modern brook]

Splock

[hybrid gust]

oh my b

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming you mean spell block though

[round pendant]

FFS I'm dumb

[uneven mason]

Can stack a ds and SW, pump IP, LS and IV after to nuke the absorb

[modern brook]

you mean splock.

[uneven mason]

Splock

Lovit

[warm plinth]

I approve of splock

[uneven mason]

There's a reason we let bull stay even though their PFP belongs to the paladin discord

[dusky canopy]

[modern brook]

SMH

i am this discord 😠

without me

we'd only be complaining about pugs

[warm plinth]

@strong forum petition to make bull's suggestion of splock the official skyhold abbreviation for spell block ty

[uneven mason]

Can we get a new icon

[warm plinth]

We need spell block emoji with splock as the code

[uneven mason]

Also while we're putting in requests I'm still waiting on my petition for the :nomgusted: emoji

[warm plinth]

[smoky dock]

Question for fenrye in halls of valor are we able to intervene each scent or is it every other?

[warm plinth]

And we also need literallytrash updated to seed tbh

[uneven mason]

We need more than one this xpac

Like "burningtrash" for scale

[warm plinth]

Lol yeah

[uneven mason]

We could go with a dumpster fire emoji and just call it :tanktrinkets:

[warm plinth]

We could do that too

[round pendant]

Burgeoning Seed isn't trash

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[round pendant]

It's just useless for the people who have to ask if it's good or not

[uneven mason]

You probably enjoyed codex

[round pendant]

I don't even know what that is

[mortal brook]

Grim Codex. it was a skillshot trinket from Theater of Pain

more trouble than it was worth

Riftworld Codex from antorus was solid tho. just had a lot of good competing trinkets

[uneven mason]

Trinkets from legion

Legion was the pinnacle of the trinket goldenage

Although a lot of that had to do with how absolutely shit they had balanced stat budgets

Nothing like using tier gloves/cloak 60 ilvl behind to maintain set bonuses and secondaries

[modern brook]

smh

thats a HOT take

legion trinket gaming was whoever titanforged on jim

+dos/cof

[slim dove]

Lmao arcanocrystal

I got a titanforged one first kill on my rdruid

[minor forge]

I remember using a 875 socketed arcanocrystal that i got early on at start of legion until basically bfa came while being 960 ilvlish

[modern brook]

ur not missing much

incarnate is a simp trinket

and boon keeps your from ading

[uneven mason]

Yeah true cof + arcano

Gambling at the vendor for tf versions

[solar shadow]

i have a giga route for AV, modified from Echo's 18m 23 fort sang MDI route

it just requires an spriest

timed 22 last night with 4 minutes remaining

[warm plinth]

would've been 6 mins remaining if you'd just waited a day smfh

[rain light]

5 and a half

[glossy oak]

hey! have a question of noob war tank, i have a evoker heal on my party that keep takeing aggro when he heals? even after i take good aggro of the pull

[fresh igloo]

then you didn't take good aggro of the pull

[true plover]

Would you add leech or a socket to a 421 helm? Only two options from the vault

[glossy oak]

its strange bc i had a profan dk making 100k

[strong forum]

well you can add socket later

[glossy oak]

and a evoker with 1 hit take the aggro of 1 add

[strong forum]

but you cant add leech manually

[true plover]

fair enough

[mighty valley]

pres evoker opening burst is decent, you probably missed one add with your opener

[strong forum]

usually not

threat directly correlates with dmg done

maybe you didnt hit the mob as much

[glossy oak]

it was the first add that i hit he said

[forest coral]

I got a 421 chain of schorched bones (heavy haaste/vers necklace). For M+, would it ever be worth dropping lariat for the haste legs? I have 421 legs already

[strong forum]

no

the crafted haste legs are bait

[inland mesa]

is there a scenario where you'd wear 421 hunger of the pack over boon/whetstone/icon/all totem in any content?

[forest coral]

i'd have concerns about uptime tbh

[inland mesa]

I have em all, it was 421 hunger the pack or 421 tier helm

my off piece is gloves with flavor pocket atm as I couldn't get gloves to drop in any content

yeah, I got 421 boots week 2 so didn't flip, couldn't get gloves in m+ or raid so made em with last spark

415 from m+

and I had a socket waiting so I flipped helm and put the socket on it

[warm plinth]

Guys should I go to the evoker feedback thread that blizz made and just make a post saying "go try to heal cragmaw, I'll wait"

[tropic gorge]

Finally home. Let's see if the vault is going to disappoint tf out of me, or suprise me

[cloud umbra]

is that due to the range during the aoe phase?

[hard dust]

so whats the thoughts on the new crafted embelished shield? Think its gonna take one of the embelished slots?

[warm plinth]

Yeah @cloud umbra

[cloud umbra]

ya i didnt even think about that.. evoker out of the meta next patch confirmed

[warm plinth]

Even full range healers can have issues on that mechanic

[cloud umbra]

back to resto druid

[warm plinth]

Tbf rdruid was already more repped in high keys than evoker

[cloud umbra]

warrior was meta for this dung for a while. reflect 1 hit killing the ads

on the first boss

[mighty valley]

hard to tell between frostfire belt no longer being necessary for anything and lariat getting some attention what will be considered better

[sick sentinel]

is there a way to get dk/paladin set appearances like how you can with the helmet, if you go into the raid i guess

like as in, not on those classes, i wonder if its just the helms

[tropic gorge]

wow rngesus. thanks

[chilly brook]

Brother

Warrior was meta all of bfa except for season 1

[cloud umbra]

ya thats what i basically said haha

[strong forum]

warrior was meta in UR even in s1

cuz you couldnt kill 1st boss without warrior on ultra keys

[cloud umbra]

and still required insane coordination

the expansion of insane interrupts.. looking at shrine of the storm

looks like monk was top used in season 3 20+ on RIO rankings.. S1 DK S2 Warrior S3 Monk S4 Warrior againn

[tropic gorge]

i can still hear that dude crying at the start of shrine

ugh

[stoic rover]

Some guy pulled all the specs into a Google sheet for past seasons

“Some guy” he says. Didn’t see it was the subcreation guy that did it lol

[cloud umbra]

Nice! Didn’t know it existed

[strong forum]

That's just popularity chart

[pallid quiver]

^^^

It's nice to kinda know what people were playing, but it's not related to actual strength of the class

Biggest example is SL3 for tanks

Where Prot War was actually pretty strong after tier set (blessed be the introduction of Outburst) with Banner synergy

but it just was never played

[strong forum]

Pwar was 2nd best tank in s3 and s4, but cuz nobody that pushed had more than 3 braincells they couldn't perform on it.
Also bdk was literally 1 patch ahead of every other tanks

Disgustingly OP

[sick sentinel]

i think popularity trends with how op that spec is at the time

[pallid quiver]

I didn't want to say it was the 2nd best tank because I've been jumped before so thanks for taking the heat nome

[small dove]

any best way to deal with the crystal shard poison stacks in azure vault?

[strong forum]

#1 popularity, yes but below the absolute best specs, popularity doesnt represent powerlevel anymore

[strong forum]

Kill it before it kills you

Also if you stun them during the cast, they wont recast for a while

[small dove]

thats what i was figuring but just wanted to see if there was any other strategy

[strong forum]

The only strategy is brute force, besides just cycling SW and Spellblock and stunning them

[small dove]

yeah thats what i was doing oh well, i think team was just slow dps

[pallid quiver]

Even for #1 popularity, though I don't think a case like this has existed in WoW's history, it's still only what's popular to play. You can glance at fighting games for an example, where there's characters like Izanami in Blazblue that are disgustingly overpowered, yet they're not popular because they're also hard as shit to play

[strong forum]

First pull (if you mean that one) should die in about 30seconds

If it lasts longer than that, you'll run into issues

[pallid quiver]

What you can pull more from popularity rankings is what people think is strong, which can trend with actual strength, but isn't guaranteed, at least in WoW land

[strong forum]

Best example is the meta shift from prot war to prot pally rn

[small dove]

yeah, group members kept dying, due to their bad positioning, running in front of the aoe and healer was a bit undergeared

[strong forum]

People screamed that pwar was mega OP, when it wasn't. And they were too blind about Prot pally until kiea and Andy unzipped them

[pallid quiver]

I downplayed Pally because I wanted to see less Paladins.

unfortunately, i failed

[strong forum]

I pushed em as much as I could cuz I cba'd people spewing misinformation cuz they can't think for themselves

[median tulip]

I've just always played Prot Warrior, and I have a guild with a lot of good people, so I literally don't have to give any fucks about The Meta

[strong forum]

I literally welcome that pally is better

Cuz being fotm sucks

Being slightly below the top is the sweetspot

[pallid quiver]

I have a childhood bias towards Paladins because I got butthurt about them when starting as a symbol of the Alliance or some shit

I don't really remember, I just feel the urge to continue hating on the pink class.

[median tulip]

I highly recommend not giving any fucks about it; it's very liberating

[pallid quiver]

I like not being fotm, but I hate that Pally gets to be strong

I still have a Pally char. It's level 26

[median tulip]

I've tried playing Paladin several times. I always bounce off it

It's not as bad as DK though. At least DKs can be a proper race (Orcs)

[pallid quiver]

I've been meaning to level my DK to cap for... the entire xpac

same as i've been meaning to actually play my evoker and lock that are at cap

I'm bad at not playing Warrior.

[median tulip]

I levelled a Druid to max and then found that I utterly loathed every spec. Which is quite an achievement when the class has 4 specs,

[pallid quiver]

I remember liking Druid back when I was a wee lad

[south widget]

Glad I tanked a normal raid on the fresh warrior LOL

[fallow beacon]

now we gamin'

(424)

my inner parse whore is happy

[sick sentinel]

"With his trusty shield and sword in hand, Marcus led the charge into the Ruby Life Pools. The team battled fiercely through wave after wave of enemies, expertly navigating the complex maze of tunnels and corridors."

chat gpt is amazing, but it doesn't seem to know what RLP is

[flint valve]

Does my loot preference have to be set to fury or arms in order for whetstone to drop?

[fallow beacon]

yes

its not on tank loot table

[flint valve]

Does fury or arms prio have a better drop chance? Or is that irrelevant

[pallid quiver]

Fury adds a potential one-hander to the mix, so I'd wager Arms is slightly more likely by kicking that to the curb

but i don't know what magic they power their drop system with

[deep spruce]

If u target trinkets, open as arms

If u don't need a shield, but need weapon and trinkets, open as fury

If you don't have a shield, open as prot

[elfin atlas]

What trinkets would you guys say are the best to have for raiding?

[mighty valley]

icon if a lot of people on the team have one

[mortal brook]

grieftorch icon

[mighty valley]

otherwise just the best dps ones

[elfin atlas]

I am currently using Icon and Granyth's Scale

[mortal brook]

whetstone grieftorch

scale cuz nothing else has dropped for you?

[mighty valley]

oh yeah the secret answer is always "the ones you actually have"

[cinder storm]

I'm the kind of -one on use trinket- enjoyer myself

[elfin atlas]

Figured whetstone would be best for M+, haven't thought about using it for raids

[warm plinth]

Whetstone is quite strong on ST as well. It doesn't scale super well in aoe so it's basically just as good

[elfin atlas]

ok. def. making that change. putting 411 whetstone back in the lineup. Thanks

[tropic gorge]

why do so many dps kill themselves on the first boss in cos

my pug win rate against that is under 50%. groups either sail by it like a speed bump, or it totally wrecks dps

[lone eagle]

Whetstone is basically so bonkers

that even though it's a ST focused trinket

it's still good in key damage profiles

[tropic gorge]

i'm trying to get it but foolish dps is making it hard

well, i've been trying*

[cinder storm]

Do you keep the boss always facing the same way? it reduces chances of people dying that way

[tropic gorge]

yeah

i usually face him to the cneter, my back to the middle of the room

[lone eagle]

Keep in mind you probably lose like 1-2% overall damage on other abilities because of lack of mainstat, but the trinket damage is so high budgeted that it more than makes up for it

[tropic gorge]

sometimes when he lines under me i'll have to move but i return him to that

[cinder storm]

I think thats the reason

[lone eagle]

Face him sideways, ranged just vibe towards bridge

they can technically outrange it

but most ranged are braindead hunters

[tropic gorge]

ill give that a shot on my next run

[lone eagle]

or braindead boomkins

[tropic gorge]

at this point i'll sacrifice a virgin to the rng gods to make that easier

[cinder storm]

also, people panic because if you tank it that way, and they move too much, they could pull adds

[tropic gorge]

a lot of dps players eye hump the meter then get rekt to floor stuff

[cinder storm]

no one really tanks it the way you do so it also throws them off

[tropic gorge]

i pull the adds next to the path

[lone eagle]

Ye, you just hug boss and face it sideways

angling it also okay

I really try and avoid facing it at/away from the bridge though

[tropic gorge]

ive had way too many dps pull those mid fight on me

/nod
i'll try sideways

i dont pull the pat, but i will pull those 3 dudes next to the main path to avoid accidental challenge mode during the fight

[lone eagle]

I used to do at/away from the bridge as well but then I did CoS 400+ times in Legion probably

[tropic gorge]

its like those dudes in the room next to the 2nd bell in there. someone always pulls them without fail

[lone eagle]

and I developed enough of a statistical reference to realize that dps are braindead

[tropic gorge]

as a player that's been a braindead dps sometimes, i dont disagree lol

[cinder storm]

If bridge was another color that would be a better place to tank the boss imo

[toxic pewter]

10.1 SET BONUSES OUT

[sick sentinel]

oh, so that means 30%dmg on ss during LS and -1.0s on LS

[chilly brook]

very simple

shield slam does 15% more damage and reduces the CD of last stand by half a second

[toxic pewter]

Actually pretty cool they’re utilizing last stand

[chilly brook]

when you're in last stand it does 30% and reduces the CD by 1s

[sick sentinel]

says effects, so im going to gamble that it means 1 and more effects

[torn gulch]

looks pretty good?

[karmic plinth]

wonder if that means we'd see unnerving focus / bolster more often

[toxic pewter]

I wonder how short last stands cd may become

Def gonna use bolster that’s for sure

[chilly brook]

eh

I'd wait and see

[toxic pewter]

Yah unnerving focus sounds good too

[chilly brook]

maths

[warm plinth]

I don't think we're gonna use unnerving focus. MAYBE bolster + ItF though?

[toxic pewter]

Def bolster lol 1 min off last stand cd will be huge for these effects

[sick sentinel]

hopefully we will be able to use these talents due to LS

[torn gulch]

yea LS+bolster becomes huge

[warm plinth]

We won't use overwhelming rage any more than we do now.

And I would be shocked if we ran unnerving focus because where are you going to get the point from?

[sick sentinel]

you wouldnt want UFocus due to set?

[warm plinth]

It's not that it doesn't have synergy; it's whether it actually results in more damage than what you are giving up for it

[karmic plinth]

wonder if it might be better than bloodsurge / instigate for rage gen depending on up time

[toxic pewter]

I mean these set bonuses def makes unnerving focus more attractive that’s for sure

[karmic plinth]

probably not

[warm plinth]

Yeah maybe Illyanaeth

[somber sky]

4p sounds weird asf tho

[lavish oracle]

bolster/ITF lookin kinda hot

[sick sentinel]

bolster reduces LS by 1 whole minute

so, you could have tons of LS's going off

[somber sky]

Plus this tier set... Would it be used offensively in raids?

[lavish oracle]

I mean

15% SS damage

[sick sentinel]

it sounds clunky and bad yeah

[lavish oracle]

is huge

[torn gulch]

tbh tier set looks decent

if it stays like this

[cinder storm]

Tier sounds fun, there's that at least

[sick sentinel]

a bad average yogi player will get 2 -3 casts out of it at best

[lavish oracle]

the 4 set sounds a little wack

but the 2 set sounds great

[sick sentinel]

maybe 1-2 probably

[somber sky]

But what about the 30%? It's not like you're getting the uptime you would get in m+

And same with 4p

[lavish oracle]

30%?

[somber sky]

(doubled effects in LS)

[toxic pewter]

30% more dam on ss is pretty strong

[warm plinth]

30% more damage on SS is insane.

Both in raid and M+

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, even in M+ a lot of our damage is SS

[sick sentinel]

30% is a big number

[warm plinth]

We're gonna be hitting like 250k+ SS with outburst+avatar+demo+set bonus lol

[sick sentinel]

probably needs to be a smaller number, i dunno

[somber sky]

My point being. Will you be using LS as a defensive or an offensive CD with the tier piece in raid or high tyrannical boss?

[lavish oracle]

You'll be using it on CD

[warm plinth]

It depends on if you need it as a defensive

[toxic pewter]

It’s gonna be a offensive cd in my opinion

[warm plinth]

You'll likely just use it on CD though

[plush tendon]

we cast like 16-18 SS per min, so roughly it would be like 8-12 seconds of CD reduction per min

[warm plinth]

Well it's like demo shout right

[lavish oracle]

I assume we're dropping HR so we'll be using it to fill in gaps in SB

[warm plinth]

You do save demo shout sometimes for tankbusters

[somber sky]

Something like jade serpent 3rd boss comes to mind

[warm plinth]

yeah

exactly

[plush tendon]

still, the tier makes you feel like you want to take Bolster... but like, what point to you move?

[lavish oracle]

Luckily, Jade serpent won't be in the pool next season

[grave flower]

something LIKE jade serpent 3rd boss

Like

similar

akin

[lavish oracle]

There's nothing like that next tier

so we're good

[somber sky]

What I find super weird is that 4p works after LS ends... I'd assume the shockwaves will do damage as well and not just dr

[royal cobalt]

10.1 war set bonus leaked yet?

[warm plinth]

None leaked, blizz posted them

It's on wowhead

[lavish oracle]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-class-sets-in-embers-of-neltharion/1545299

[royal cobalt]

Awesome. Ty!

[warm plinth]

He was responding to this

[grave flower]

^

I was on your side

[somber sky]

Like... I'd want to use avatar with LS but the 4p shockwaves are after LS ends so out of the 20 seconds of avatar, I only have 8 seconds of shockwaves. 2 seconds doesn't sound huge but it's 20% of the duration that's unbuffed (approx 1-2 GCDs)

[warm plinth]

You're not going to line them up anyway

[lavish oracle]

it's going to be awkward to line up with avatar, I think

[warm plinth]

Avatar is still going to have a shorter CD than last stand

[hardy snow]

I really like how this set bonuses sounds for prot warior

[somber sky]

Would you not take the rage generation talent that comes with LS?

[hardy snow]

I hope they wont nerf it in terms of mechanics, only numbers

[lavish oracle]

maybe they end up on 45s and 1m 30s CDs but that'd be best case scenario

[hardy snow]

it will be very good talent now

[lavish oracle]

I can't think of a point to drop for it

but maybe

[somber sky]

That's my point

In Avatar rage gen is definitely giga

[warm plinth]

Like even at a high point, which is around 17 SS per minute. That's 8.5 seconds of CDR per minute which means your LS is gonna be something like 1:20-1:30ish with bolster+the doubled CDR during LS depending on how many SS end up in that window

[somber sky]

I'm not delivering my concerns appropriately I think. I'm sorry. ><

[warm plinth]

You will not likely take Unnerving Focus in my opinion. I don't think it results in more damage than what you'd have to give up for it

I might be wrong though; we'll have to see

[chrome falcon]

rotation on big aoe is going to be weird now

i wonder if you just send rev/TC on aoe

until the SS shockwaves

(during avatar)

[warm plinth]

Honestly you should really hope we don't use unnerving focus because we're gonna end up jumping like 10 APM

[chrome falcon]

good

fun

[warm plinth]

We're already like the 2nd highest APM spec in the game or some shit

[hardy snow]

And I guess HR wont be needed for SB uptime with so much LS if bolstered

[somber sky]

Basically every second pull will be the monster pull. If it lines with ravager then using it with avatar and ravager with the increased rage gen talent will definitely be the play. My only concern is that 1-2 shockwaves of the 4p will happen outside of the avatar window when most of the trash would be dead anyway. That's what I feel will make 4p weaker in practice vs on paper.

[somber sky]

Aren't we already here?

[warm plinth]

You aren't going to hold it to line up with anything though. You'll just send it

[hardy snow]

I wouldnt care about these shockwaves for now, I dont think they will have big dmg

[warm plinth]

You can't reduce the CD of AVatar if you don't use Avatar. We don't hold Avatar for anything

The shockwaves are not going to be relevant enough to save CDs for

[warm plinth]

Already where

[prisma crane]

except when it gets rolled into the next pack

[knotty vortex]

what would we drop for unerving focus

[somber sky]

A good chunk of the pull will die anyway to make the 5% Dr feel less valuable than I can see on paper. Unless I'm grossly overestimating end game dps.

[knotty vortex]

seems like a no brainer to take that talent

[somber sky]

I misread. I meant, were closer if not crossed the necrolord prot apm

[prisma crane]

i'm curious if we can manually trigger it by removing LS buff

[warm plinth]

Maybe but you won't

[safe thistle]

2pc solid, 4pc doesnt seems that good to be honest

[warm plinth]

You'd be giving up LS CDR and shield slam damage if you cancel it early

[prisma crane]

yea true

[hardy snow]

4p is fine for bosses, but not for trash pull in M+

[prisma crane]

just thinking if you'll want the DR more for that moment, but at only 5% its hardly worth playing around

[warm plinth]

4pc is just going to be some free aoe damage really

The 5% DR is kinda whatever

[safe thistle]

you wont feel the 5%

[prisma crane]

yea

its a worse version of our current one, unless those shockwaves from SS are big

[warm plinth]

Waiting for Nome to come in here and call us all idiots

[safe thistle]

its all about extra aoe dmg and thats if your in a pull or not for m+ and in raid well its just added dmg

[prisma crane]

that said it makes me wish i could pair it with antorus set bonus for no SS CD

[toxic pewter]

The ss shockwaves may end up owning I’m excited for it seems fun

[warm plinth]

I misss that set bonus

[prisma crane]

imo 4p is meh unless it actually does meaningful dmg

[lavish oracle]

yeah, the 4 piece seems a little too clunky to be practical

[prisma crane]

or perhaps uncapped or something

[pallid quiver]

I'm really curious how deep playing into the tier set is worth it
Bolster most likely at the minimum

[warm plinth]

4pc will just be ignored. It'll just happen

Free DR, free damage passively

[pallid quiver]

but hear me out, ghash

[lavish oracle]

it'd be nice if 4pc just worked during last stand instead of after

[pallid quiver]

what if it turns outburst SS's into AOEs?

[safe thistle]

no way i track 4 pc with weakaura thats for sure

[prisma crane]

yea give me the DR after LS and the shockwaves during and im for it

[warm plinth]

It doesn't say that the shockwave damage is based on the damage of the SS; my guess is that the shockwaves will have their own damage calculation

[pallid quiver]

that's what i'm wagering

[prisma crane]

also, will the shockwaves be affected by outburst buff

[pallid quiver]

makes the most sense

but hear me out

it'd be hilarious tho

[safe thistle]

most likely based off the SS dmg it all need to be tested

[warm plinth]

Nah there's no shot it's based off the SS damage lol

[pallid quiver]

Almost definitely has its own scaling I would wager based off other things they do

[warm plinth]

It would be way too strong as much damage as we do with SS

[safe thistle]

it would be stupiud to hit for the same amount with like 60+ ilvl difference though

[pallid quiver]

but it'd be really funny if it just turned SS into a cone aoe

[warm plinth]

It wouldn't

[prisma crane]

w/ outburst it makes it more engaging if it was

[warm plinth]

But it will have its own AP coefficient and be affected by vers

[prisma crane]

based on SS dmg =/= same as SS dmg

[safe thistle]

demo shout dmg increase gonna work on it too

[warm plinth]

It will go up with gear; it just won't be related to SS damage

[prisma crane]

the way it's worded i'd argue it'd def not based on it

[warm plinth]

I agree

[prisma crane]

lmao watch it get buffed off of sonic boom

then 2 days into pvp it's nerfed instantly

[safe thistle]

it might hit just as our shockwave ability (copy paste, done)

[warm plinth]

That would be hilarious. Just instantly DR all stuns

[prisma crane]

well, i'd love it if it was a knockdown

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[prisma crane]

actually fucking amazing bonus

[warm plinth]

That would be amazing

[safe thistle]

with how tey copied many ability before wouldnt be surprised

[prisma crane]

if it was a knockdown, it'd be the ultimate raging counter

end of pull just knock em on their asses for 10 sec straight

[warm plinth]

Yeah though the timing would be weird since they happen after LS

[prisma crane]

yea but still not bad, because you'll have LS often

[warm plinth]

Kinda gives uh

C&S major vibes though huh?

[safe thistle]

if you pop LS at start off a pull check how much health the mobs have left afterward

[warm plinth]

Except knockdowns instead of roots lol

[prisma crane]

C&S?

[warm plinth]

conflict & strife

the azerite essence that gave you the TC root pvp talent in BFA

[safe thistle]

or it might just be the same shockwave from the mechagon bracer hahaha

[prisma crane]

oh

well root is w/e compared to knockdown imo

knockdown stops casts and isnt subject to DR

anyways, it'll never be that

it'll be some amount of dmg that's nice but nothing OP

[warm plinth]

Yeah we just dreaming now

[wet nexus]

Hi, i've a questio about ignor pain, we need to use it all time for have 150/200k shield ?

[warm plinth]

No, ignore pain is a rage dump unless you know a big tankbuster is coming

[cinder storm]

I never had fun in pvp until I used that

[warm plinth]

Then you can stack it a bit

[prisma crane]

ultimately unless redesigned atm i dont see 4p being anything hard sought after

unless the dmg is high

[warm plinth]

dude I did some 2s and I remember this one match against a resto druid and it was one of those times you just KNOW the other person is LIVID. Because I kept TC rooting him mid-wild charge

[toxic pewter]

I’m excited for 4pc gonna do big shockwaves

Slamwaves

[unkempt imp]

will we go to fueled by violence instead of brutal vitality if we lose our current tier?

[prisma crane]

since P warr have no niche outside of blocking big stuffs

[toxic pewter]

Sounds fun

[prisma crane]

giving us top dmg is fine by me

[old flame]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/garrosh/ilyamurometz

Thoughts? i'm leaning neck

[prisma crane]

buff up tankiness of other boys and give us big dam and im happy

[prisma crane]

unless you have lariat, yes

[old flame]

Haven't bothered making a lariat, so yeah good going neck

[wet nexus]

HI, Can you tell me how use correctly ignore pain ? always spam max shield or other ?

[warm plinth]

I just told you

[safe thistle]

you have a lot fo spark left

[warm plinth]

^

You use it when Revenge isn't enough to prevent rage overcapping

[thin silo]

RIP Brutal Vitality

[lavish oracle]

Oh, we can drop spellblock in a lot of the S2 dungeons, right?

[cinder storm]

It wasn't even that mandatory in most dungeons

[mighty valley]

am i reading the feedback on the 4pc correctly - "it'll be bad unless it's good"?

[left beacon]

The tornado affix on wise mari is kinda dumb

[oak echo]

every wow player about everything ever until the end of time

[warm plinth]

It's going to be a decent set bonus

We were just having fun speculating if blizz made it stupid

[cloud umbra]

blood dk set is good

[lavish oracle]

@left beacon yeah, you kinda have to clear them so people don't run into them by accident during wash away or geyser

[oak echo]

yeah the blood set looks real nice

[sullen gust]

Wait sorry to be slow, but is there info on what the next tier is gonna do? Or are we just talking looks?

[left beacon]

not thundering but the storming tornados

[mighty valley]

effectively 15s of 5% DR every LS with a tiny cooldown is more than I think people are giving credit for

[left beacon]

literally just circling around that thin little circle around mari launching u back into the water

[mighty valley]

plus shield slam doing an aoe blast just sounds sick

[lavish oracle]

@sullen gust they've told us what they're all gonna do

[mighty valley]

check news tab

[sullen gust]

Oooh shit okok

[mighty valley]

this would be insanely busted

dammit the person with the busted suggestion deleted

[lavish oracle]

yeah, I literally run into them as they spawn to keep the platform clear for other mechanics

[left beacon]

i don't see anything in the news tab

[mighty valley]

fine, i'll be helpful https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-revealed-every-tier-set-bonus-in-patch-10-1-331881?webhook

[olive mulch]

realized i needed to change my discord name x d

Make shield slam AoE 🙂

[left beacon]

i was talking about wise mari and storming not the tiersets

but i will check this out 😛

[round pendant]

actually got into a +20 sbg with 2474 rating lmao

[ornate thunder]

what does "a wave of force dealing damage" mean

Who writes this crap

[mighty valley]

oops sorry i clicked reply on absolutely the wrong person

it means it sends out a wave of force, which deals some damage

[warm plinth]

wdym what does it mean

[mighty valley]

hope this helps

[warm plinth]

it means it sends out a wave that deals damage?

[gritty forge]

Pretty clear it means a cone

[warm plinth]

not sure what's hard to understand about that lol

[ornate thunder]

be nice if it said how much dmg no?

is it 1 dmg

maybe 10

perhaps 500

see the issue now?

[mighty valley]

it'll be an attack power formula

[gritty forge]

i mean set bonuses have never included the math involved in working out how much dmg a bnonus does

[warm plinth]

Almost like it is a brand new thing that can change

[ornate thunder]

be nice if it did explain in a tool tip

[mighty valley]

we will know that once it's implemented, it's not useful info to us right now

[warm plinth]

Blizzard and tooltips do not get along so it's not exactly anything new.

[pallid quiver]

never trust tool tips

[cinder storm]

No real point when things are bound to change "maybe"

[round pendant]

This discord is better than the paladin discord so I'll ask here, y'all know what flask prot paladins use?

[rain light]

🛌

[cinder storm]

This discord is better than all other tank discords

[warm plinth]

Elemental Chaos I believe

[round pendant]

Yeah I've had more useful information about specific classes from this discord than their actual dedicated discords

lmao

[rain light]

mm hunter 4 piece lmao

bm too

so bad

[slim dove]

Every set bonus is zzzz

Big lame

Can't wait to press last stand more

[rain light]

prot pally 2 pc is real good

[slim dove]

It's just boring af

[rain light]

4 set too

[cinder storm]

So, our current tier will become unusable?

[cloud umbra]

how can they make the tier not boring though?

[rain light]

put aoe shield wall on 4pc

[warm plinth]

It's possible. They've done both in the past (disabled them and not disabled them)

[pallid quiver]

I wager they'll keep the current tier set active, but it's gonna be outdone

[warm plinth]

But to be fair, even if they don't disable it, our tier set currently is not anything we'd probably hang on to

[rain light]

bruh

why did they make prot wars tier on last stand and not shield wall

💀

[slim dove]

Cuz we already have 1 min cd on wall.

[hardy snow]

ilvl increase will be much better than current set bonuses

[mighty valley]

even more cdr on shield wall would be fucking absurd

[cinder storm]

Worst tier set by a far and humongous margin is disc priest, meanwhile preevoker and rdruid are going to be omega good

[slim dove]

Got too many reducers and interactions with wall already

[pallid quiver]

I'd prefer it to be on LS, because it encourages us to mash it on CD

also shield wall would be up like perma probably if it was SW

[slim dove]

Remember this is 2-3 months away and subject to change.

[fair grail]

I feel like 4 set happening after LS falls is cringe

[sick sentinel]

not really, ummm im doing npakin math a bit atm on it

18 SS a minute is 3.3s or 4 at 15 cpm

so we can work from there

[pallid quiver]

At any rate I'mma wait until we know more about how it works, only opinion is it's more interesting than current tier set

[lime patrol]

wish we would get aoe shield slam during last stand instead of after

just nerf the damage

[warm plinth]

what are you referring to here?

[cinder storm]

Throughout these designs, we intend for players to feel able to play the overall build or strategy they prefer meta build they always play

[warm plinth]

It's not aoe shield slam. It's just an aoe damage proc off of shield slam. There's no indication that the wave damage will have anything to do with SS damage.

[lime patrol]

its a proc?

[sick sentinel]

im not sure, but i want to say if its its every 3.3 seconds ss, you'd gain 36 seconds on LS so it would be like, 1m24s cd

[warm plinth]

I mean, in the sense that you press SS and it procs the damage, yes.

[lime patrol]

ah i get it

[sick sentinel]

someone, i think you, said you were doing between 15-18 ss cpm

so, i was going on that

[cinder storm]

We really don't know the target cap, might as well be another revenge while you SS

[lime patrol]

i guess actually doing shield slam damage in aoe would be too good

[dapper vapor]

Yeah agree, love these bonuses mostly but the limited window on the shockwave makes it really weird to use intentionally at all

[warm plinth]

The 17 SS I said was from Nome's kill of like a 21 tyrannical first boss of CoS since it's ST and 100% uptime

[slim dove]

You can boot up ptr client and test.

[warm plinth]

So that's like best case scenario really

[pallid quiver]

Prot War set isn't in yet last I checked

Prot Pal is tho

[cinder storm]

It isnt in the ptr

[stable valve]

That’s not counting the time during last stand where SS reduces cd by 1s

[sick sentinel]

theres also ITF and honed can make your SS cd pretty small

[violet flume]

guy in jade temple +20 told me yesterday "stop running around and tank all the small adds youre the tankiest tank in the game no need to kite"

😦

im sure i can tank 3x darkcalw with no cds left

[slim dove]

They should be dead before you run out of CDs

[violet flume]

they werent

[slim dove]

Tell your dps to not be bots lmao

[violet flume]

i mean, i have what, 28 seconds of shieldwall + spellblock?

[slim dove]

Reflect deals with a batch.

[violet flume]

darkclaw hits for 300kish

[slim dove]

Stuns

Fear

[violet flume]

i guess

[sick sentinel]

with honed and 5 itf i can get my SS cd to 5.5s

[violet flume]

cast is semi fast i dont feel 100% confident to interrupt it if i used every gcd on attacks

[sick sentinel]

5189 haste

[warm plinth]

But to expand on this, at 17 SS per minute, that's approximately a cast every 3 1/2 seconds. So you're looking at about 4 casts (give or take depending on AoE vs ST) during LS which is 4 seconds, and then half a second every 3.5 seconds outside of LS. So you're looking at like...15 seconds off the CD or something?

[violet flume]

id prob need an addon that tracks darkclaw cooldown i guess

[sick sentinel]

also, i assume that VO wont affectthis set bonus, obviously

would be nice, like for the rage part, probably does the bonus dmg part

[mighty valley]

why wouldn't it affect the shield slam damage

[warm plinth]

Well yeah it's not going to affect the rage gain but you already get what, 40 rage or some shit from a VO SS?

[prisma crane]

it says "these" which is plural

[dapper vapor]

Looking forward to the 300k shield slams

[prisma crane]

so itll effect both the 15% and the .5 sec

[sick sentinel]

err i mean like the CD sorry

for LS gets reduced

and then its double on LS

[warm plinth]

yes, I calculated that in my estimate

[stable valve]

It does if you now take unnerving focus

[warm plinth]

If you're doing a shield slam every 3 1/2 seconds, that's about 4 seconds of CDR during the Last Stand buff, and then another 15 seconds (actually less but too lazy to do more specific math) outside of LS. (105 seconds remaining / 3.5 x .5 = 15 + 4 = 19) and then I guessed a few under that because you obviously aren't going to have another 105 seconds if you're continuously lowering the CD

[warm plinth]

Shield Slam is 15 base, and you get +2 from HR and +3 from Impenetrable Wall = 20 and then VO doubles it

[mighty valley]

Unnerving Focus competes with a lot of good shit right now, don't really think this'll push it over the edge

[sick sentinel]

no way im hell im joining that group

that would be cursed key, 2 pala 3 warrior, not happening

[warm plinth]

why is it cursed?

[tropic gorge]

do it anyway and see what happens

[sick sentinel]

all melee comps is cursed imo

something always goes wrong

[heady gyro]

Melee is good for RLP and it’s only a 16 lol

[sick sentinel]

turned into 3 pala 2 warrior, i wish them luck

[knotty vortex]

so im guessing we are taking bolster and unnerving focus next season?

[stable valve]

just drop indomitable ez

[warm plinth]

Bolster, probably. Unnerving Focus, not likely

[stable valve]

then take barbaric training

also

[warm plinth]

Nome can say for sure though once he does all the math and sims. I am not sure Unnerving Focus will result in enough of a damage increase over what you would have to get rid of.

I will fight you

[stable valve]

you're taking bolster, so no need to take enduring defense

so there's your point at least in AoE

[warm plinth]

You still need to take enduring defense

[stable valve]

why

[warm plinth]

ED+ItF+Bolster is needed for shield block uptime

[stable valve]

you have HR

[warm plinth]

You would take ItF if you ran bolster

[stable valve]

ah, you're taking itf

[warm plinth]

Especially with reduced CD on Last Stand

even if it's not a huge amount

[stable valve]

?

[tropic gorge]

i googled for the upcoming tier bonuses and didn't find anything for current retail. can someone link something for me

[stable valve]

same reason you don't always take honed reflexes

[warm plinth]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-revealed-every-tier-set-bonus-in-patch-10-1-331881

You never take Honed Reflexes, wdym

[stable valve]

big part of SS reduced cd is it resetting

[tropic gorge]

ty sir

[warm plinth]

I'm not sure what honed reflexes has to do with last stand. I think I might be missing your point

[stable valve]

can if it's pure ST as bad luck protection

[round pendant]

Bro the new tier set bonus looks pog tbh

[knotty vortex]

ti reduces shield slam by 1 sec

[stable valve]

it reduces SS cd by 1s

[warm plinth]

Ok?

[stable valve]

so same argument as you saying take ITF

[warm plinth]

What does that have to do with Last Stand though

[stable valve]

is it not?

[warm plinth]

You take ItF because you don't need HR with bolster

[stable valve]

or you take HR and drop enduring defense

[warm plinth]

Yeah I suppose that's also a possibility.

But I still don't know what honed reflexes has to do witha ny of this lol

[stable valve]

I thought your argument for ITF was the reduced SS cd

[warm plinth]

Ohhh

[stable valve]

yeah

so miscommunication is all

I get what you're saying now

[spring summit]

what we feel about the announced tier?

[warm plinth]

Okay we are on the same page now

[stable valve]

cuz you were talking about ITF for the reduction in SB cd right?

[tropic gorge]

well, the prot 4pc looks cool. and yea, gonna be weird to spam ls lol

[stable valve]

how?

[warm plinth]

Well, moreso because you don't need the extension from HR if you're running Bolster, so you would take ItF for more damage