super fun.
#protection
strong forum
lusty tiger
I just want to go back to WCM
blazing condor
i dont get how the water corridor works
elder garden
bis axe
strong forum
that dungeon doesnt have checkpoints
🙂
so if you wipe past 1st boss, have fun running for 5minutes
pallid quiver
WCM's a bad dungeon because I don't remember it at all since I ran it once in my life and that's it since I skipped almost all of BFA
elder garden
but haste vers ring and axe
toxic pewter
They need to like standardize in dungeon graveyards/checkpoints or something
pallid quiver
i just don't wanna learn an old dungeon like it's new
sacred geyser
theres like the one door in the beginning to the right but i think that only goes to the last boss
toxic pewter
Even Brackenhide graveyard situation is weird you spawn on the opposite side of the dungeon depending on which 2nd boss you kill
sacred geyser
fr it also feels like all the trash packs are pretty separated so hard to double pull but maybe some los spots
sacred geyser
im worried about that last water walkway thing right before the last boss, but i have a feeling people will figure out some way to cheese it like a week into ptr
median tulip
I loathe occulus
elder garden
nexus or oculus 🙏 season 3
strong forum
nexus would be solid, just requires a bit of work, more mechanics added
blazing condor
and also can serve as a redemption for an otherwise very hated dungeon
strong forum
but besides that, nexus would be fine
median tulip
So does Grim Batol
blazing condor
yeah GB could deifnitely work
blazing condor
thematically it works
strong forum
can literally throw it in 1-1
blazing condor
last boss is ass though
strong forum
is it?
elder garden
would also be epic if they remodelled those dungeons too, but thats asking too much
strong forum
cuz like
blazing condor
idk i remember not liking it
median tulip
I'm still surprised Vortex Pinnacle is in Season 2
elder garden
so random
toxic pewter
Yah no one expected VP
elder garden
i love it though, my favorite zone music maybe ever?
blazing condor
i wonder how the dragon RP would work into % for m+ if they put Grim Batol in though
pallid quiver
honestly, if they pulled a cata dungeon, I would've expected VP
i just didn't expect a cata dungeon
median tulip
I expect Season 3 will have the M+ version of the mega dungeon
toxic pewter
Megadungeon going to be Bronze/Infinite. Time traveling
toxic pewter
We goin in that big ass bronze palace
toxic pewter
Lol
elder garden
who the fuck is seriously suggesting the oculus
it is i
toxic pewter
U no like dragon flying
mighty valley
spend half a dungeon not being my own character
toxic pewter
Yeah oculus suks
pallid quiver
Oculus, except you grow wings and fight as yourself
elder garden
im just nostalgic
mighty valley
i'm sure everyone would be better now but it was the worst pug nightmare dungeon of all time
elder garden
oh lol i only ever ran it with my g
toxic pewter
Gonna be racechanging to a Niffen
warm plinth
I would put money on them never making Oculus M+
It's one thing to dragonride in an M+. It's another to have vehicles with wonky ilevel scaling that are either weak af or OP to the point of being irrelevant
mighty valley
yeah how much work would it be to apply m+ scaling an affixes to the oculus
i also don't think they'll ever do an m+ violet hold style dungeon
but is it possible to make one fun? that's the debate
toxic pewter
This me guys
mighty valley
nice mog
toxic pewter
Thx it me
warm plinth
Yeah if they were going to make Violet Hold M+, they would've done it the two times it existed previously
or I guess just the one
But yeah, no one would enjoy VH anyway so
strong forum
it would cause literal riots
mighty valley
they'd have to rethink it from the ground up with like... choices of trash packs to open from jails
sick sentinel
it would cause literal riots
worse than m+ stockades?
strong forum
yeah
sick sentinel
i dunno, mythic + stocks seemes like really cancer
sick sentinel
yeah, sure, but its still just as siht and packed
strong forum
stockades you can atleast choose what to pull
sick sentinel
symetry
blazing condor
gotta have some dude who uses the safety things too
mighty valley
mdi stockades over in 4 minutes
pallid quiver
VH is a dungeon design we won't see for an extremely long time, if ever
warm plinth
Stocks does have mobs you can pull/not pull at least, though I think that would also make for a really lame M+ dungeon outside of an MDI setting
blazing condor
mdi stockades you play 3 tanks who pull one side each
bring to middle
and burst
sick sentinel
mdi stockades over in 4 minutes
re make stockades from the ground up
warm plinth
MDI would be nuts because we'd see shit like the entire trash of the dungeon pulled at once and shit
sick sentinel
ttotal prison theme dungeon, not tol dagro
warm plinth
I don't think you can pull multiple bosses at once though; I think they reset if they leave their respective rooms
elder garden
lol
warm plinth
Yeah, and it'll make body pulling in CoS this season look like child's play
mighty valley
anyway basically nothing from vanilla is worth reworking for m+
would just take too much work
elder garden
except of course
warm plinth
Well, they can. Like I think Deadmines would be doable for M+. Obviously that's a remake but it's proof that it can work
sick sentinel
awt least itd be esy AF to LOs shit in stocks
elder garden
3rd scholo rework
warm plinth
Current Scholo should be doable in M+ I think
Might have to make the trash a bit less sparse in some areas
mighty valley
yeah, if they do full reworks like deadmines or uldaman, it can work, but not like a one-season revival like tjs or whatever
sick sentinel
5old scohol best socholo
mighty valley
even tjs they didn't do enough imo
warm plinth
Er, a bit less cramped I mean
mighty valley
oh the heroic version? would be bizarre
blazing condor
not to mention the dg would be like 50 minutes
pallid quiver
do it blizzard you cowards
warm plinth
Vanessa isn't in the remake, unless they base it on the heroic version
blazing condor
3rd boss would be ass for deadmines with someone having to be in mech
mighty valley
full BRD m+
warm plinth
BRD is doable. They would just have to break into 3 or 4 pieces. Just like WC could work if they cut it in half
pallid quiver
full blackrock mountain M+
no
no pieces
All one sitting
6 hour timer
BRD, BRS,
blazing condor
pallid quiver
take in the cata blackrock ones, too
elder garden
full mara no checkpoints
sick sentinel
OLD temple of whatever the fuck from classic
warm plinth
Maraudon is a garbage dungeon
buoyant tangle
tbc dungeons would be neat
blazing condor
new anzu mount pog
elder garden
Maraudon is a garbage dungeon
preach
mighty valley
pretty much all vanilla dungeons would need complete boss reworks, 90% of them do basically nothing
blazing condor
but everyone told me classic was literally the hardest the games ever been
now i dont know what to think
warm plinth
That's such a meme lol
pallid quiver
dungeons and instanced content in vanilla was probably the easiest it's ever been
warm plinth
I mean don't get me wrong, there are older dungeons that were truly hard for their time, and could probably be pretty awful now
pallid quiver
the only major challenge was levelling
warm plinth
Slave Pens has some pretty bad mechanics in it between mind controls, fears, the crab boss and the last boss could both be quite nasty
mighty valley
the only major challenge was scheduling
warm plinth
Imagine crab boss on grievous, ugh
blazing condor
crab people
pallid quiver
craaaab people
warm plinth
Shattered Halls M+ probably wouldn't even need to be adjusted to be obnoxious. The stuns/saps in the last corridor alone would make it terrible
buoyant tangle
haha
mighty valley
yeah they hadn't stopped doing the "what if a player randomly eats a 5 second stun every so often" thing by tbc
warm plinth
Nope lol
buoyant tangle
arcatraz botanica and mechanar
warm plinth
Especially the tank
buoyant tangle
boy howdy that'd be something
warm plinth
Mechanar would legit be a fun M+. The other two can burn in hell
mighty valley
"this boss's thing is that it drops aggro sometimes" cool
strong forum
Last time I did Ruby I did 72k, was just a 20 tho
hazy sluice
Wtf
strong forum
Or 21, can't remember
blazing condor
how come if you sort top dps logs with all keystone levels they still choose to prioritise the highest keys
on WCL
strong forum
how come if you sort top dps logs with all keystone levels they still choose to ...
Cuz dumb, but also you can click on the dps column
Then it orders by actual dps
Out of the top 100 logged keys
deft mortar
strong forum
That's my run from some time ago 69.5k active dps
If you include spell reflect, closer to 72k
blazing condor
Maybe I just suck balls
looking at top RLP logs for a 23 you seem to be okay on dps
top logs are at around 60k on WCL which would be a bit higher in-game
hazy sluice
Since I got the 421 bonemaws i feel my dps is worse
Just feelycraft tho
Alit of kiting shit with sanguine
strong forum
Yeah sanguine tanks dps
warm plinth
Ok I was perma def stance
😦
strong forum
Also, past 1st boss the dungeon barely has tank dmg
hazy sluice
Sry was my first 23 and I was afraid
strong forum
Literally 0 reason to sit in def stance there
The casters rarely cast on tank, inferno is healer mechanic, flame dance you stun
GG
hazy sluice
For the next time I will know that better 😄
cinder storm
Yogi getting that bread
lusty tiger
Yogi on the come up
toxic pewter
Yogi I found this I think u dropped it or something:
👑
mighty valley
apb changed avatar... i can't handle this... change is scary...
toxic pewter
Can’t wait to race change to Niffen
warm plinth
tf is a niffen
toxic pewter
The new race of cavern dwellers in 10.1
warm plinth
ah
toxic pewter
They friends with Drogbar
warm plinth
I like drogbar
toxic pewter
Yah they cool too
pallid quiver
you're a drogbar
elder garden
i think niffen are DUMB
warm plinth
you're a drogbar
D:
elder garden
i wanna see how far an individual could punt a niffen
toxic pewter
elder garden
stupid little hats
toxic pewter
Niffen have extraordinary sense of smell
elder garden
i will like them when we get a mole mount
toxic pewter
🤔
slim dove
Just HD kobolds lmao
toxic pewter
U no take hat
mighty valley
vulpera are just modified goblins but they rule
dense coral
HOV 20 » Brick 3:38 overtime. (9 deaths) Guess DPS wasnt enough for 20 key :<
reef pulsar
HOV 20 » Brick 3:38 overtime. (9 deaths) Guess DPS wasnt enough for 20 key :...
whats ur route tho those numbies are low for key level
warm plinth
That DPS is quite low for a Halls
Halls is generally one of my highest overall dungeons
Like in general, not yours specifically
dense coral
3 groups with LUST, 2 groups upstairs, pull 2 again (left right) tables. Go left pull group in to 2 shields. THen upstairs 5 mobs.
boss. group of 4 before portal. Dragon. BOSS. 5 wolfs. boss. BEARS.
3 mobs + 2 two cracklling guys in to the last boss.
Ill make it on MDT
can i post the string here?
warm plinth
I'm not able to utilize the string right now to see it but if you can post pics of the areas that would work
pretty sure I can visualize what you're doing already but can't hurt to have clarity
warm plinth
Yeah that's pretty close to what we do, except we don't do pull 15, and we do the bulls as well as the bears
we don't kill any sentinels or the 3 pack in 15
slim dove
Just bad/low dps
oak heart
i usually pull the sentinel after 2nd boss with the pack, and not do 14 but do the bulls then run over the water, end up killing all 4 sentinels, can save 3 until after 3rd boss, the speed boost is great on them
but also not doing super high keys
dense coral
Thanks for feedback guys, ill go with the bulls next time
3 should do right? if you kill the 2 sentinels
warm plinth
Yeah, if you're still killing the sentinels you don't need all of them
cloud umbra
we kill all 5 and invis the sentinels.. shroud
warm plinth
But you can always shroud/invis the sentinels if you wanted
or mind soothe if you have a priest
slim dove
Sentinels are giga waste of time.
dense coral
Yeah we should work more with tactics. I basically pugg them until now. Going to find a stable group for the 20 keys (want them portals xD)
warm plinth
Yeah even with the speed buff they're still inefficient
oak heart
usually pug, if you have a group you could skip the big guys and pull more of the others
rancid tiger
whats the best phial for prot warrior on prog ?
round pendant
tepid vers is good
rancid tiger
my rl says - chaos thing
has more dmg reduction
and i was arguint for tepid for survival
warm plinth
Isn't there only like one boss where we use defensive stance? Can't imagine you'd need a DR phial
round pendant
If you need a damage reduction flask you're probably just doing something else very wrong
stack damage 
strong forum
Chaos phial is awful for tanks due to its rng nature and lower stat budget than tepid vers.
Tepid vers is 3.7% dmg increase at all times, hard to beat
strong forum
usually pug, if you have a group you could skip the big guys and pull more of th...
Never pull the Center pack in the hallway
That is literally asking for a wipe and inefficiency
round pendant
people wipe on that pack?
oak heart
never wiped there
round pendant
it's just a thundercaller, marksman and whatever else, right?
That is a weird route tho ngl
strong forum
Super inefficient Pack
oak heart
like I said, i just pug, have to play around 4 zombies
strong forum
Nobody ever pulls that
round pendant
Yeah also 2 unnecessary sentinels (slow)
I think ideally you should invis pot past the 2 other sentinels too
oak heart
the whole dungeon is unnecessarly slow
round pendant
It just has a lot of inefficient pulls, if you don't do them it's a lot faster
I'm not actually sure of the count needed before leaving forest if I skip all sentinels + that middle pack tho
anyone know offhand?
oak heart
if you have a better route, then pls share
round pendant
assuming you don't kill the other side of the hall
and pull bears and bulls maybe?
warm plinth
There's no reason to kill the ohter side of the hall
strong forum
Not 3 seperate
warm plinth
Bears and bulls are both far easier and still efficient
strong forum
You don't pull Center pack
Don't pull sentinels
Instead pull all bears and all yaks
round pendant
6 + 7 + 8 is a wipefest in pugs
strong forum
How, there's 1 kick
And 1 frontal
How is that a wipefest
It's only the tank that takes dmg, aslong as the melee don't stand infront of mobs they won't die
round pendant
Someone won't los the leap, healer can't heal the lightning storm, etc
warm plinth
I think he meant 5/6/7. Pull 8 is the boss it looks like, for some reason
round pendant
oak heart
yeah boss and adds are swapped
warm plinth
Hard to tell with it zoomed out but yeah not the minibosses. The last pack + the trash in 2nd boss room
is what you mean, yes?
rancid tiger
Isn't there only like one boss where we use defensive stance? Can't imagine you...
i mean in mythic theres sev bosses where dstance is good in raid
warm plinth
Last pack in hall + shield maidens/purifier + aspirant pack
strong forum
Ye
rancid tiger
Kurog at least has a bad overlap
where it wouldnt be top bad
and broodmother if u on boss
slaps when eggs breka no
mighty valley
6+7 is easy if people can do the los, otherwise pug people don't watch the leap frontal and get blasted
oak heart
strong forum
Yes that's a good pull
warm plinth
I mean, even if you don't LoS the leap, like...it's just tank damage + that one mob doing damage to a random person
oak heart
the people ive played with seem to know how to los the leap, but then get hit by the beam on the way back up
warm plinth
It is lol
mighty valley
?? the beam shouldn't even happen if they keep los'ing correctly
oak heart
the beam happens after the first leap, even if they los it
oak heart
i try to tank it right on the edge of the platform facing away from the boss, but somehow melee still stand there with me
can you pull all the bears at the same time?
round pendant
I usually do this for the first area but tbh I might do it differently in future
that 9th pack feels bad
but this route I've found prevents people from buttpulling the sentinel pat
strong forum
Ya that's solid route
round pendant
Nome approved 
warm plinth
can you pull all the bears at the same time?
Yes if you're careful. A slow on them can make it safer but you just basically need to stay far enough a way to not get rending claws, but not too far so you don't get charged
I main rogue so I usually just swap to crippling poison for that pull to make it easy on my tank
round pendant
with bears + bulls I like to kill like half the bears and then pull the last 3 bears and all bulls
it's prob a bit slower
but the bears are scary man
warm plinth
Yeah though I'd avoid the stag if you can. DPS are too oblivious to pay attention to the charge
with the bulls swirlies at the same time
round pendant
also, prefer killing the bulls and bears AFTER Fenryr
warm plinth
Yeah
hardy snow
Have anyone tested infurious helm of vengance in raid? Ive crafted one for pvp purposes, but wanted to give it a try on hc altrun, and it was working fine, but... it wasnt working at all on some bosses. Of course its random proc chance, but according to log it looks like some bosses just dont proc it at all. On screenshot below those are the targets, that received any dmg from it during 7/8 hc run, most interesting is kurog, where boss himself didnt get hit by it even once, but mobs during intermission did.
warm plinth
You do dragon, then 1st phase, then wolves, then fenryr, then bears, then bulls
To clarify on that, you do that so you have the speed buff for the bears
makes it easier to kite them
oak heart
figured
warm plinth
They're pretty free with the speed buff though, and unlike the sentinels you can stun them and shit to stop the stomp
dusky canopy
true maybe i just need to do them more to get a feel for them
rain light
the hardest part is getting lucky that your melee dps doesnt get hit by stomp
cloud umbra
just backpedal out go back in
rotate your 3 stuns and 1 fear if you took it over intervene
true plover
Is there some kind of interaction that would make intervene not work on somebody for the Fenryr chase? I just had a preservation evoker get hit twice while he actively had intervene up from me.
warm plinth
Yeah it only has a 10 yard range, so if they're much further than melee range, they will get hit
true plover
Pretty sure we were right next to each other but I guess it is always possible they moved. Ty
reef holly
What’s everyone’s route in CoS? I have such a bad time in there around the 17 range. Always one dps who is consistently dying on pulls, ninja pulling packs, summoning the mini bosses while already engaged with a mini boss…
cinder storm
Maybe you casted it before scent started?
cinder storm
What’s everyone’s route in CoS? I have such a bad time in there around the 17 ra...
First pull lust, docks, then press W, for the most part that'll help you time any cos under 21
reef holly
What’s all in the first pull?
round pendant
why lust first pull
warm plinth
Yeah I have to agree, why lust first pull 🤔
cloud umbra
if you have a dedicated group, its a big timesave to send your healer to do the skip while you run back and do harbor
pug i just pull harbor 2nd
warm plinth
I activate the skip with my rogue
I make it back about halfway through the dock pull usually
reef holly
What’s the skip?
cloud umbra
we used to do that. Figured having all 3 dps for the harbor was more efficient. we usually kill it a few secs after evoker dies
warm plinth
What’s the skip?
You have one person run through the building after 1st boss while everyone else goes to the dock pull. Once they come out the other side, you die (if you're not a rogue) and then go help finish the pack
cloud umbra
either way.. starting out on that skipped side of the 2nd area is WAY better than not doing the skip
warm plinth
I assume most healers can also do the skip but they will have to die even if they're a druid because druid would have to go around the long way to not die
cloud umbra
well the guy sees stealth so druid cant re-invis unless meld
reef holly
You have one person run through the building after 1st boss while everyone else ...
Got it- that’s to open the double doors at the entrance correct?
warm plinth
Yeah they did it in MDI I think
On rogue it's easy because I just go past construct and vanish when I'm far enough away
bright ice
do you sim to decide between 415 strike twice and 418 primal molten longsword? how do you decide?
cloud umbra
i'll have to test it out on my druid
round pendant
do you sim to decide between 415 strike twice and 418 primal molten longsword? h...
sim yes
bright ice
👍 ty
bright ice
makes sense
sick sentinel
equpped them so i can get a better screenshot only
warm plinth
Why do you have a "haste" set. That implies you have a non-haste set for some reason? 👀
sick sentinel
TL:dr im wondering if i should bother recrafting ring (may not be for a while) or valoring the bag one
reef holly
You have one person run through the building after 1st boss while everyone else ...
How far does the person doing the skip have to go, to open the doors?
warm plinth
through the other side of the building
reef holly
Got it ok
warm plinth
You would generally die to the inquisitor/imp pack right there by the door
Just make sure you cross the threshold
reef holly
I’m wondering if a pug dps would be able to do this..
warm plinth
You'll know if you unllocked it because thalyssra's voice line will play
misty arch
Hello, is it worth using 415 shield versa mastery with leech and losing haste?
sick sentinel
i ran my 5 tw on DK and got warrior helmet appearance, recently bought the dk heroic appearance helm for warrior im warrior that thinks am dk, or vice versa
south widget
First day playing my prot warrior and honestly I have /no/ idea what defensive to press when and how to sort my bars
peak bramble
Shield block. Everything else on cd whenever they come up. Don’t really need to time defensives when first starting, assuming you’re not jumping straight into 25s
sick sentinel
First day playing my prot warrior and honestly I have /no/ idea what defensive t...
shield wall, with anger mastery, spending rage revenge ip sb all reduce cd of sw
median tulip
First day playing my prot warrior and honestly I have /no/ idea what defensive t...
Keep Shield Block up as much as possible. Use Ignore Pain as a Rage dump to avoid wasting Rage. Use Shield Wall for major tankbusters/at the start of spicy pulls; Shield Wall has an actual cooldown closer to 1 minute, because of Anger Management; Spell Reflect and Spell block things that they work on (there's a spreadsheet in the pins)
south widget
Nah just running some 2s but trying to figure out my sustain
Been playing bear tank and the lack of self healing is throwing me
median tulip
You don't need self healing if you don't tank any damage xD
peak bramble
Don’t need to heal when you just take no damage instead
south widget
.>
Wait there's tanks that just take no damage? My health bar isn't my only resource?
What is this witchcraft
median tulip
Protection Warrior is the king of the mitigation tanks
sick sentinel
shield wall and demo are your main cd dr's
peak bramble
First thing is to just try to keep shield block up at all times, extend with shield slam, press shield charge on cd, and keep your shield block charges on cooldown
slim dove
Our fairly substantial leech + rage engine is our self healing.
knotty vortex
spell reflect and spell block pretty big in alot of senarios as well
slim dove
10 rage = 1% health iirc? Adds up quick.
median tulip
Oh and Defensive Stance is a defensive ability; you should spend most of your time in battle stance
sick sentinel
thats a aeperate talent from am but we take that too
south widget
I think I'm just trying to reorder my brain from damage buttons to mitigation buttons
I have IP where Ironfur usually is but I might switch that w/ shield block
peak bramble
Yes
knotty vortex
most dungeons has great use for spell block 20 secs blocking spells is pretty broken
peak bramble
Iron fur is more similar to shield block
In terms of just always wanting the uptime
Ignore pain is more a rage management tool than a defensive
south widget
I can use spellblock on TJS to block both casts of serpent right?
peak bramble
Although it does give defensive value
south widget
if I time it just before it lands?
knotty vortex
I can use spellblock on TJS to block both casts of serpent right?
on red phase u can spell reflect
median tulip
@south widget they key thing for Protection Warrior is the Rage Engine; you need to be spending Rage as fast as possible in order to generate more Rage to spend as fast as possible. The Talents Anger Management and Indomitable are the underlying key to how protection functions.
knotty vortex
id save ur spell block for green phase then u can do 2 strikes with spell block up
median tulip
I can use spellblock on TJS to block both casts of serpent right?
Yes, the effect is long enough to block 2 casts in the jade phase
pallid quiver
I have IP where Ironfur usually is but I might switch that w/ shield block
You want IP somewhere where you can hammer the shit out of, since it's your rage dump to prevent overcapping. It sounds like you don't press it a lot, but there's periods during CDs where you're literally pressing it on its CD while still pressing your normal buttons
south widget
gotcha
pallid quiver
And like everyone else is mentioning, Prot Warrior specializes in mitigating as much damage upfront as possible, so our lesser amount of self healing (Via Indomitable, which heals you for rage spent, baseline 10% leech, and Impending Victory) doesn't need to be as big since we take much less damage in the first place
You enable this by first generating rage, then spending it. So SS is your priority, then TC, and then you spend it with Revenge
warm plinth
I feel like Barbaric Training has been all but defeated. Should I change my name now to Stop Looking At The HPS Meter?
pallid quiver
You'll also want some way to track Outburst, since that turns your rage gen to turbo if you properly always send it on SS
median tulip
I feel like Barbaric Training has been all but defeated. Should I change my nam...
No, there are still lots of people playing BT
warm plinth
Or maybe, Stop Crafting Lariat First
sick sentinel
sometimes you can keep hitting ip till ur iv procs or reset to keep yourself a float
pallid quiver
Our closest polar opposite would be Blood DKs, who get slapped and dare the content to global them, but then they just get back up, ready for round 2.
this ignores times when Blood DK can both mitigate damage and heal it off, immortal bastards
median tulip
Or maybe, Stop Crafting Lariat First
How about "Versa isn't that good"?
warm plinth
lol, see that's kinda risky because when you say that type of shit, the WoW community hears "Vers is shit"
pallid quiver
^^^
median tulip
HashtagAllStatsMatter
slim dove
"Lariat was a trap"
sick sentinel
dk i knew ran puegatory
south widget
xD just crafted lariat
sick sentinel
so he nevee really died
pallid quiver
many a fight as started with even just saying all stats matter, let alone "eh, this stat isn't that good that it'll literally clear dungeons for you"
Lariat's not bad or anything
warm plinth
But did you craft it before a weapon and shield
south widget
nah
warm plinth
Then you're fine
pallid quiver
It's just a wep/shield does more for you, and it's just as good as any other embel
south widget
Weap/Shield/Lariat/Boots/Frostfire Belt
median tulip
xD just crafted lariat
The single most important piece of gear you can get is a Shield.
south widget
it's an alt so I had 5 ready to go
sick sentinel
bracer companionshio viable too
pallid quiver
The biggest reason to craft it is to have an embel that ezpz can swap between specs
warm plinth
we love being able to just pump out 5 crafted pieces right away 
pallid quiver
i still haven't gotten a spark drop
south widget
thought about ring but they're only 250val to upgrade so can farm nok at least
knotty vortex
yes there is
sick sentinel
i have 3 normal crafted and 4 embell8shment items now
warm plinth
yogi I can't with you
knotty vortex
crests now
south widget
Feel bad for fury warrs tho ... 2x crafts that need 2 sparks that feels illegal
pallid quiver
don't worry, 10.1 they get compensated
median tulip
@south widget in terms of Stats, Haste > Crit > Vers/Mast, but you do need a reasonable amount of everything. My stats have fallen out as a ratio of roughly 3:2:1:1 H:C:V:M
violet flume
i believe i heard next patch fury wars get an upgrade discount on 2handers
but ya 2sparks for a 2hander sucks
south widget
I'm just gonna focus on ilvl and keep whatever gear drops from my bonus val keys
pallid quiver
Yeah, as soon as they get one, they can craft another to that same level at a discount
violet flume
now if only i could get a damn 2hander to drop from M+ so i can use it for my offspec
median tulip
Did you guys see that there won't be any infusions next patch
How are we getting high ilvl crafts then?
violet flume
only got 385 primal weapons from elemental invasions 😦
warm plinth
The crests you use to upgrade all the other gear can be enchanted by enchanters and you use those instead
violet flume
everything else is 415-421 lmao
knotty vortex
u can get crafted to 447
sick sentinel
i wonder what i said or did this time
warm plinth
There is a new spark, but you can upgrade existing gear too so you won't have to farm a whole new set of sparks
median tulip
I'm just gonna focus on ilvl and keep whatever gear drops from my bonus val keys
Solid plan overall. Items to keep for valor upgrades tho: Windscar Whetstone, Strike Twice, Jeweled Signet
sick sentinel
iget 3choices pf 415 tomorrow
knotty vortex
been waiting for 421 icon to appear in the vault
warm plinth
Oh that's actually a good name but I'd get flamed for it
warm plinth
iget 3choices pf 415 tomorrow
big pog, what's your hope?
violet flume
2 choices 421 one 418 hopefully a friggin weapon somewhere 😮
sick sentinel
but yes 7+ crafted items in bags, at least, i have 402 1h mace 418 shield 405 companion bracer, food belt food boots and ff belt, teleport ring is thelast one
median tulip
I never crafted a weapon with my sparks
I got a Heroic mace from the timewalking in week 1
pallid quiver
I had extremely good luck with weps and shields at the start
I crafted a shield, but immediately got a better drop, and my first 421 from vault was a wep
that being said, it took five ever to get 4p
warm plinth
Noice
pallid quiver
and then i didn't play for like 4 weeks and so now i get declined from 15s and people join my key to tell me to kill myself and leave
can't say i've ever seen the latter before recently, so i guess the game's a changing
shell mortar
That's just what happens when the people who are truly shit at the game get to play +15s after grinding for months
warm plinth
That's certainly a take
median tulip
Not everyone has the time and inclination to play 10 hours a day, every day from the start of the patch
cinder storm
Not everyone has the time and inclination to play 10 hours a day, every day from...
There are people that play a ton and are still bad
Like me
shell mortar
You can do a key a day and be fully decked out rn if you aren't turbo trash <:wa...
Exactly
Some people just can't do good even if they want to and have low capability to control their emotions
hybrid gust
does the mortal hew frontal in HOV hit the closest target if tank is not in range? I see melee get hit even if the are behind the mobs
warm plinth
does the mortal hew frontal in HOV hit the closest target if tank is not in rang...
No, but they have weird interaction with z-axis that will cause them to hit not the tank if you have them on stairs and are out of range
shell mortar
No, but they have weird interaction with z-axis that will cause them to hit not ...
This + I'd like to add that if you go out of 8 yard range just as they start casting might bug it too, like with certain other tank busters
hybrid gust
humm k, thanks
craggy pilot
anyone know if theres a spot i can see the avg amount of wipes on a boss before kill?
blazing condor
poor guild with 800 raz pulls
jagged pier
monka
im close to 500 but we've had issues with ppl leaving mid progress which is fun
ionic fern
poor guild with 800 raz pulls
jagged pier
ionic fern
im close to 500 but we've had issues with ppl leaving mid progress which is fun
That's a big yikes.
ionic fern
The leaving part, not the pull count.
blazing condor
pog
jagged pier
ah yes the true raz prog
sick sentinel
do you guys do the purple storm wq and all the pbsidian citadel quests each week
thats abput only thing i have remaining atm
ionic fern
I do nothing from WQ's.
sick sentinel
i mean i log in for keys, not even 20s but thats main thing i log in for
transmog too
jagged pier
😮
uneven mason
+2cos best key possible
tame jasper
Thats s key my pala could tank
tame jasper
+2cos best key possible
My pala went from cos2 into sbg5 😂
uneven mason
Legit+3000 rogues begging for a spot
uneven mason
My pala went from cos2 into sbg5 😂
Mine too!!
ionic fern
I'm surprised you guys are seeing rogues.
uneven mason
Like the freecarry lotto
ionic fern
So few of them are queueing up for keys.
uneven mason
I'm surprised you guys are seeing rogues.
I didn't say I saw them
ionic fern
"Legit+3000 rogues begging for a spot"
uneven mason
Just that they wanted a spot
tame jasper
do you guys do the purple storm wq and all the pbsidian citadel quests each week
Since i have max renown and paragon chests contain nothing special this exp I only did storm WQ for achievements and mount. Since then rarely do them (but should for 10k WQ acm)
uneven mason
ionic fern
Looks like me.
sick sentinel
paragon chests no mounts ???
dapper vapor
There's a green insect thing mount from Dragonscale
But you have to be 25 rep and get it from an expedition satchel
Paragon rep super fucking blows
Basically some pet battle crap and 2k
sick sentinel
But you have to be 25 rep and get it from an expedition satchel
way ahead of u in regards to farming reps, working on 3rd VA box
tropic gorge
I need to stop going into keys for a few days and do quests and catch up
My warrior is rep level 5 or something lol
sick sentinel
I need to stop going into keys for a few days and do quests and catch up
buy the 7 day reputation contract from AH for a few hundred gold or less
tropic gorge
That's what happens when an alt swap occurs tho
west arch
Hi guys, first of all thanks a lot for this chan, this is really helpful! Kind of a newbie question... Did anyone already experienced aggro issues on Kurog? I keep taking aggro from my DK cotank even if I do not press any button and only "use" auto attacks... He is roughly 10ilvl below me but this is the only boss on which we have such issue. Thanks a lot in advance for your help! Cheers
sick sentinel
and then slam the fuck out of random WQ
dapper vapor
way ahead of u in regards to farming reps, working on 3rd VA box
Bold of you to assume you're ahead
sick sentinel
like rafting and racing especially
sick sentinel
u do all the WQ on map with ur buff u get an extra like 500 rep
dapper vapor
Yeah dragonmon snap is good
tropic gorge
Haha
sick sentinel
besides artistans which i don't give a shit to complete and exact same for cobalt
even been spending all the resources on rep vendor stuff
tropic gorge
Cobalt was good for a ring or neck iirc during the first few weeks before the raid was opened and cleared
sick sentinel
i just cant be arsed sitting in basically 1 location
its more like, 4 locations in a small ish location
tropic gorge
Tbh most quest and overworld stuff bores me
sick sentinel
killing mobs over and over
tropic gorge
M+ is a constant go go, which I seem to prefer
It's very difficult for me to quest for some reason
sick sentinel
gotta get that 80% players or whatever it is to take first succesfull step into keys or pvp or raids, something where they can see what they are thinking about trying isn't really so scary
tropic gorge
That being said. Questing to catch up should go rather quick
sick sentinel
questing should always end with quests or goals for vault say, taht you have to "go do the content and we will reward you for your efforts"
you've done everything else already, time for X Y Z
undone verge
People scare themselves with keys and raid. Especially tanking
tropic gorge
I'm the opposite. I'd rather tank raids and keys
sick sentinel
bring back a more publicly veiwable "trainining grounds" middle of org or storm wind like dead center where all the people are
tropic gorge
I tank keys because of bad or poor or low quality tanks I kept running into during bfa
sick sentinel
and thats your training dummies, you can do all 3 roles dps tank healer, and everyone can view you
so then they see if your shit or not or sumthin
jagged pier
ppl couldnt do training grounds so that would be pointless
tropic gorge
Not saying or claiming that I am a God of tanking. But I do believe I'm better than the average player
I liked the training grounds. I thought it was fun, fairly easy and the "reward" showed when you used lfd
hardy snow
Hi guys, first of all thanks a lot for this chan, this is really helpful! Kind o...
if there is not huge difference in your dps, you can check if hunters/rogues arent giving tricks/misdirect on you, and if its mythic - remind him that he needs to punch target to keep agro, even if he holds add and the tactic is to focus boss, he still needs to pump some into add to keep agro on him, especially when you cleave/aoe with TC, ravager etc.
sick sentinel
it could be something that if you want to keep displaying that gold level, you would have to go earn the buff once a month
keeps players coming back to training dummies for clout
tropic gorge
Maybe once per season instead of per month
west arch
if there is not huge difference in your dps, you can check if hunters/rogues are...
Thanks a lot for for your reply
sick sentinel
my fear with once per season its like KSM, you get carried or follow some guide or cheese it and then you have it forever
so it means nothing
tropic gorge
In mmo games, there will always be people carried. Nothing can be done about that, it's the nature of group games
topaz leaf
how does intervene work for fenryr fixate? they both last 6 seconds so I'd have to be very precise with timing?
sick sentinel
dads 1981 college footballl trophy and ring from when they won state championship and greg broke his thubm that game
amber siren
how does intervene work for fenryr fixate? they both last 6 seconds so I'd have ...
you can't exactly pre-cast it since you don't know who's targeted by the fixate until he does it, a mouse-over macro and casting on the party frame when the alert comes up is the easiest way to do it
topaz leaf
you can't exactly pre-cast it since you don't know who's targeted by the fixate ...
pretty sure littlewigs puts a skull on the person he fixates on, even before he starts running
but won't they get smacked if I do it too early or too late?
amber siren
it's a 3 second cast i think? so just at the end of the cast you intercept
worst happens they get hit once, it won't kill them
topaz leaf
alright thanks. do we just drop rallying cry for intervene or intimidating shout?
amber siren
neither, you should be able to drop pain and gain or bounding stride
topaz leaf
pain and gain it is then. thanks.
sick sentinel
it's not even 9 am and im learning about some shitty computer game from 30 years ago called "gender wars" game itself looks normal enough, but i mean, i already had enough internet for today and day hasnt even started
i couldn't even believe it was real until i looked it up on youtube after seeing the advertisement fhing for it
lime urchin
In mmo games, there will always be people carried. Nothing can be done about tha...
It’s the nature of life
twin comet
I've started checking people that are 2500+ for no untimed keys. I had two people leave a 19 yesterday because they thought we wouldn't time the key and they "only time keys".
Both were from the same server too.
shell mortar
Honestly, I've found that Rio is only a measure of how well a guy knows the dungeon itself. I've still had people doing 120k overall in a 25 academy with more Rio than myself
Rio still helps obviously as a very approximate measure but it's inaccurate
tropic gorge
I'm not into the 20s, I just got into the 16,17 18 range. There are brain dead players in all brackets
The most basic of shit, is interrupting. And it seems that people just don't do it
shell mortar
It gets better
cerulean tusk
Fun thing tho, if you do 20s don't bring 3k score players. Bring 2.7-2.9. 3k ppl don't do stops at all. They only DPS and die 
crystal mauve
I'm not into the 20s, I just got into the 16,17 18 range. There are brain dead p...
In my 16 AV yesterday I had 9 cast from fury go off back to back. I was doing 250k hps on my BdK 😂 this was zug zug as hell
cerulean tusk
If you are BDK, those casts only go through if you want em to 
crystal mauve
I use everything I had on the first 4 (grip/grip/stun/blind) but the rest is out of my hands lol
It was the pack with 4 fury after 1st boss
left beacon
so how does spell block work, does it help against piercing shards in azure vaults? like does it reduce the dot damage?
tropic gorge
That's really the only boss in rlp it's good for, iirc. I'm not sure it's worth running just for that
sand mason
so how does spell block work, does it help against piercing shards in azure vaul...
Can’t block dots, but can block initial hit
tropic gorge
With victory rush, spell reflect and cds you should be able to soak those
sand mason
Dot fucks, buts manageable around 4 stacks
sand mason
You can sheildnwall the stacks
left beacon
u should never have that many stacks i think
sand mason
I did 24 tyra last week and took 4. Did get a chance to do 24 fort so maybe 4 stacks woulda turbo chunked me but with a healer external or shield wall I imagine it would’ve been chill
left beacon
maybe i'm mistaken
sand mason
Yah you don’t actually reflect
Like they don’t get the dot back on them. That would be op
left beacon
well yea a massive difference between a fort and tryan, 4 would be too much imo
hardy snow
It was the pack with 4 fury after 1st boss
I prefer to skip this pack and do frog room after jumping down, right before 3rd boss, way easier then those 4 rocks
sand mason
I prefer to skip this pack and do frog room after jumping down, right before 3rd...
Nah 4 rock is free if your team just plays well
Just coordinate stops, spell reflect/spell block. Much easier than jumping frogs
left beacon
i mean that type of coordination doesn't happen in 99% of pugs
hardy snow
Nah 4 rock is free if your team just plays well
every pack is free if your team plays well, the matter is which pack is easier to play it well
tropic gorge
Like they don’t get the dot back on them. That would be op
More like awesome
I wish a good item came out of aa and that was the dungeon I need to farm. I enjoy aa a lot
It isn't hard, even tho the bird tends to crush pugs
tame jasper
I love AA
sick sentinel
"What item do i take from vult??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????" inc
all 3 my choices will be a 415
modern brook
Just coordinate stops, spell reflect/spell block. Much easier than jumping frogs
Honestly this the rock pulls are only hard cause people haven't been doing them for 9 months and don't know when to send stops
The skip route is like 9000x less headachey when played right
tropic gorge
I tried to do a skip route and pull the first dragon pack in av. And bull is right, people don't know how to handle it and people just die
Had some evoker cry about me wanting to pull it and do the 2nd boss skip. Cried in /p about "see I told you the skip is stupid can we just do it normally"
Made me sad
hard dust
is there a good place to find trinket priority list for both defense and offense? I can only find the offensive lists
uneven mason
Honestly this the rock pulls are only hard cause people haven't been doing them ...
I mean counter point frogs do no damage, people just need to not stand in bumble fuck nowhereland
orchid gulch
Would point towards sims and bloodmallet, but offensively in m+, it should be windscar whetstone and the idol of trampling hooves
If I recall correctly, that is
The all-totem should also be a decent choice, but I don't have any actual numbers at hand
uneven mason
The all-totem should also be a decent choice, but I don't have any actual number...
Alltoten bis
hard dust
Yea I have several sites that help with the offensive trinkets, just wasnt sure on defensive ones
jagged pier
there isnt any defesnive trinkets
modern brook
u can stick them on a pillar
There are pillars to stick them on?
orchid gulch
Alltoten bis
Ah, I wasn't sure about the order. Thank you for clarifying
tropic gorge
It gets tight but it's doable
orchid gulch
Yea I have several sites that help with the offensive trinkets, just wasnt sure ...
Technically there are defensive trinkets, like the decoration of flame and some such, but they don't really add much. Decent as a statstick at best; don't use 'em if you have other choices and grab something offensive
tropic gorge
I've had a trinket drought this season. I have a shard trinket that procs a shield and some on use dmg trinket
It's saddening
orchid gulch
Could be worse, at least they don't negate your mitigation and add something still
hard dust
Yea my trinkets suck lol. Ruby whelp shell and spiteful storm. Have had aweful luck
orchid gulch
I'd recommend the whetstone, it's fairly easy to farm with it dropping from COS
quiet monolith
what do you guys do in pugs to assign kicks at higher keys? i use automarker, but havent really found the way to go from using automarker into actually assigning kicks productively
are there automarker settings
or other addons, anyone would suggest?
dusky canopy
Is there a way to see the population size for Heroic raid? Like how many players have completed the heroic raid
Just small talk in my guild discord
I can’t figure it out on WCL
dusky canopy
what do you guys do in pugs to assign kicks at higher keys? i use automarker, bu...
It’s hard to optimize kicks without voice but with auto marker you can just assign a mark to each player at the start of the dungeon
quiet monolith
is there no way to know for instance, a melee person should be kicking X mob
dusky canopy
That doesn’t always work though because a spriest for example could get assigned to a mob that needs to be kicked a lot
quiet monolith
and trying to make it more efficient?
empty inlet
dont pull things that you can't stop yourself in pugs.
quiet monolith
yea, exactly
i mean, i cant kick/stop two mystics and a thundercaller solo
and thats a pretty standard pull
dusky canopy
Auto marker helps highlight important mobs that’s about it
quiet monolith
as well as many others
dusky canopy
The group still needs to collectively keep mobs ccd
When you’re pugging without voice it’s really like playing the lottery
Some groups everyone’s cc works out great
And some you all overlap constantly
orchid gulch
Need to coordinate via voice. Everything else is quite prone to error, I think
dusky canopy
Best thing you can do is plan to stop the more dangerous things at the start of the dungeon and then pay attention to what your pugs like to stop and adapt
If you notice a dps who likes to stop all the heal casts for example, then you swap to say the single target casts that nuke people
Lots of scenarios obviously
But hopefully that explains the thought process
hard dust
I'd recommend the whetstone, it's fairly easy to farm with it dropping from COS
you would THINK it is...
pallid quiver
And some you all overlap constantly
and some you're the only stopping force in the party, DPS talenting into disorients/stuns/etc be damned
viral elk
not sure how to feel about this one
jagged pier
dont its bad
viral elk
everything else was worse
strong forum
Doubt it
jagged pier
so u take socket
strong forum
^
viral elk
socket for sure
jagged pier
there is no case where that trinket is ever used
viral elk
Right on, thanks all
solemn current
421 with worst stats on shield is still a far better upgrade over 418 with best stats no?
unborn sable
is frostfire belt worth if I don't have eranog rings?
jagged pier
421 with worst stats on shield is still a far better upgrade over 418 with best ...
yes
jagged pier
is frostfire belt worth if I don't have eranog rings?
yes
solemn current
dookie stat shield it is then, thanks
unborn sable
dunno what is better upgrade, 415 shield to 418 shield or frostfire belt :p
echo egret
Out of curiosity, would Shattering Throw work on the Blaze of glory cast in RLP Flamedancers when they're about to die ?
strong forum
Sure
But wrecking throw would be better
Shattering throw only breaks immunities such as bubble and iceblock
Wrecking throw does the same dmg, on 45sec CD but doesn't break immunities
echo egret
Yeah the goal is to kill the mob asap before his party-wide damage is too much.
distant crystal
there's probably one somewhere in some low lvl dungeon or smth
tulip oar
Decided to open my vault as Prot for a change. Which is better to pick at 421? Shield or weapon?
mortal brook
Whatshisface in ashran
The iceblocky dude you get an achieve for breakin his immune
blazing summit
Might be a stupid question but does Spell block or spell reflect work on the mythic diurna soak in P2? Similar to how AMS and spellwarding work for DK and pala
hallow phoenix
Decided to open my vault as Prot for a change. Which is better to pick at 421? S...
Shield but if my weapon was e.g. 415 I'd be tempted for a 421 weapon. Assuming you're using 418 shield
jagged pier
no
mortal brook
It wont prevent application no
jagged pier
just blocks the inital hit
blazing summit
just blocks the inital hit
Aight but I guess the DR from spell reflect still should be useful
hallow phoenix
Shield if your current weapon and shield are same ilvl
jagged pier
Aight but I guess the DR from spell reflect still should be useful
i mean thats when u should be using SR in p2
along with SW
tulip oar
Current weapon and shield are the raid drops from Mythic
jagged pier
u should have them for every hit
glacial kindle
I need your help guys D:
blazing summit
u should have them for every hit
I'm guessing you need the double SW charge talent for that
jagged pier
ye
tender quartz
46 attempts at halls 22 this week
literally get shittalked every run by DPS beign too fuckign dumdum and not seeing their mistakes
16 of those failed on fucking ODYN although my route usually starts with him at 32/33 min
just timed it in 33.xx . with 2.6 / 2.7 people cause they don't fuckign care about overall.
this key was fucking prison. I will never ever listen to dps routes again or doubt myself because i did that after a couple of tries
Peeps if you got your routes that you believe in and you can control the packs, just fucking do it. 3k done ( well, tomorrow one tiny 22 )
im out goodluck on y'alls journey
See you on pally discord steve there's 100 points for him to go 😂
Thanks to all peeps with your advice, taking your time for DM's, etc. @strong forum @mortal brook @jagged pier ( also Haste Mastery Protwarri is fun but that was an accident I don't wanna start anything, forgot to re-craft ) ❤️
tulip oar
BiS weapon seems fine to me. Tanking is my off spec
Actually, I prolly need the extra defense.
jagged pier
may never see a 421 sheild ither
solemn current
True, but more options than just 1 sword
jagged pier
true
strong forum
46 attempts at halls 22 this week
literally get shittalked every run by DPS beig...
46keys is uh... More than I've done in the last 2 months combined
mortal brook
46 attempts at halls 22 this week
literally get shittalked every run by DPS beig...
Hell yeah brother, thats some determination stacks
sick sentinel
all haste items, all 3 are ilvl
i have a 12/13 hoof there is no sockets or terts on these, the hands is mastery > haste cloack is crit > haste
hushed cobalt
how is seal of filial for the absorb for m+? already have a 415 jeweled and 421 diurna
sick sentinel
dmg is good, absorb is MEH
cunning canyon
Between trinket and hand. Hunger has leech on it + 6ilvl upgrade. Hands would be 6 ilvl upgrade for tier. I am already using a hunger at the moment. What does the crowd think?
sick sentinel
cuz its randomly generated limited bubble
so it may not go off right time
Anyone have a WA pack that shows whenever I have my healers external active on me? Would like to be able to see when I'm time dilated
slender terrace
red otter
Anyone have a WA pack that shows whenever I have my healers external active on m...
Like that?
slender terrace
Do I take ring even though I have to recraft embellishments and take 3-6 ilvl loss?
tropic gorge
Dps crying about routing is annoying
tropic gorge
Just shut up and enjoy the ride ffs. Might learn something
slender terrace
(Also have dps offspec, primarily for M+)
uneven mason
Do I take ring even though I have to recraft embellishments and take 3-6 ilvl lo...
What trinkets
toxic pewter
Season 2 gonna have mega routelords. get ready for it
slender terrace
415 flame 408 totem 418 pack
small dove
The gods hate me.. i've gotten nothing but cloaks and necklaces for the past 3 weeks...
I have 415 blazebinders hoof, 415 ruby whelp shell currently, is this an upgrade to me? (horn of valor). I already have 421 shoulders and 418 lariat
uneven mason
Since a 421 hoof isn't a bad choice
uneven mason
The gods hate me.. i've gotten nothing but cloaks and necklaces for the past 3 w...
No hov is pretty bad
strong forum
The gods hate me.. i've gotten nothing but cloaks and necklaces for the past 3 w...
Socket or transmog
Your choice
odd tree
DoS still takes the cake, every fucking run dps would complain about routes, especially during the relic season
sick sentinel
i went with the gloves
topaz leaf
I swear CoS is the most cancerous dungeon you can go with pugs. The amount of ass pulls is unreal.
sick sentinel
cuz then i have another type of gloves
and i can just 1 tap my current haste > crit gloves into 415 whenever i hit 2400
if
woven trellis
3 ilvl on shoulders or a socket
uneven mason
DoS still takes the cake, every fucking run dps would complain about routes, esp...
"wtf don't pull that way, we're doing the cranes all at once HERE LET ME PULL
odd tree
Yup
uneven mason
/use hearthstone
odd tree
"We're doing the wo skip, right"?
sick sentinel
it would be fine if you got release point after whichever boss you killed
uneven mason
"We're doing the wo skip, right"?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
odd tree
You mean the one that everyone fails on? Sure
sick sentinel
that would solve all of DOS time issues
you don't have them and its tied to rder you kill them, but you get the rez spot after
uneven mason
No people not expecting pugs to do MDI shenanigans would have solved dos problem
urban portal
the best way to beat void slash is by backstepping it?
uneven mason
Not being hit by it correct
sick sentinel
THERE BE NO ESCAPING DEATH
odd tree
I swear CoS is the most cancerous dungeon you can go with pugs. The amount of as...
DF s2 would like to have a word
stuck sequoia
any word yet on when s1 ends?
odd tree
Brackenhide will be awesome
uneven mason
I swear CoS is the most cancerous dungeon you can go with pugs. The amount of as...
Brackenhide just said "hold my beer"
small dove
No hov is pretty bad
Thank you
lusty tiger
i liked wo skipping
odd tree
I bet we get a month of 10.0.7
small dove
Socket or transmog
Thank you
odd tree
The relics were pretty cool, tbh
sick sentinel
DF s2 would like to have a word
does he know about how bad altairus is?????
lusty tiger
best seasonal affix ever
topaz leaf
DF s2 would like to have a word
odd tree
That boss was kinda a bitch in cata, can't imagine it in m+
sick sentinel
nah its the last boss thats the true cock there in VP
he's really mean, he binds you to the ground and someone healer has to dispell you so you can move in safe spot triangle
odd tree
Also true, wonder if they'll add much to those fights
sick sentinel
you'd be surprised
the triangle will be more tthan enough
cuz, thats shit is basically the same thing as left side hyrja
you don't get in, get fucked
but its all boss long mechanic
odd tree
Aren't there sparks that spawn and do dmg?
sick sentinel
yogi is a prophet and has seen long into the future
odd tree
In timewalking they don't do much
sick sentinel
and he say that many groups wiil come here to bitch about triangle lightning man
odd tree
Sounds good yogdormu
sick sentinel
they will come here and say "the healer didn't dispell me in time"
18 seconds immobilized, best believe they will complain
sick sentinel
i think it really screws with hard casters the most, mage priest types
median tulip
I swear CoS is the most cancerous dungeon you can go with pugs. The amount of as...
Hahahaha Season 2 will have Brackenhide and Freehold
minor forge
Freehold was such a mess at times, asspulling like mad
astral harbor
Whats the best ?
median tulip
Freehold was such a mess at times, asspulling like mad
I once had mobs randomly aggro in Freehold from 100 yards away when we were stood right on the spawn in point. There is something deeply deeply broken about pathing and line of sight in that dungeon.
median tulip
Whats the best ?
What trinkets do you already have?
heady stratus
Hi Guys, which is better? I already have the same items in 415.
astral harbor
What trinkets do you already have?
median tulip
Hmmm. I'd probably take the hoof to replace the DoF, but tbh even hoog isn't that great. How much of an upgrade is the belt?
median tulip
I would take the hoof, but tbh the vault really screwed you this week
jaunty reef
Where can i find Prot warriors talents for MDI?
strong forum
theyre playing the itf+bolster build
and instead of impenetrable wall, defenders aegis (which is only good in mdi)
astral harbor
I would take the hoof, but tbh the vault really screwed you this week
yes
sad
gonna grab the Hoof and test on battlefield
strong forum
Why isnt defenders aegis better outside mdi?
cuz you dont need SW often twice back to back
slim dove
- The Wall is more SWs over time.
strong forum
and if you dont need sw back to back, impenetrable wall is infinitely better
plain comet
not sure if this has been explained already but why does spiteful storm raz trink all the sudden sim so high for us
strong forum
it always simmed high
plain comet
dont think i noticed it being top of the charts even as a 411 trink
strong forum
maybe they hiddne buffed it last hotfix
pallid shale
Is there any news on what tanks might look like for 10.1? Will warriors get nerfed into the ground
pallid shale
Hahah love it. I honestly pref to stay warrior but if warrior ends up like Druid is now, I’ll be rerolling
jagged pier
why would we get nerfed we havent been the best tank for a while
pallid shale
Idk maybe I’m a noob then just seemed like warrior feels invincible in comparison. I haven’t played monk/pala this expac tho
jagged pier
bdk mon and paladin are all equal if not better
well paladin defiantly is
and will only get better with the ret buffs
yes the ret buffs are buffing prot paladin
fresh igloo
i think a lot of the "prot war OP" comes from the early gear curve. now that everyone is a bit more geared up there's more balance.
dusky canopy
Paladin is going to slam next season
fresh igloo
this is why early impressions can be a problem
dusky canopy
Right warrior was hyped up by content creators
jagged pier
just ppl saw block time being easy
pallid shale
Ah I could see that
jagged pier
bdk and monk have been better for raid pretty much espeically after the monk changes
for the bosses that actually matter i.e the last 2
slim dove
Prot war is just 5iq to play well also
dusky canopy
pallid shale
For me I played vengeance and prot warrior mostly. Like first pull in AA my dh would struggle and my undergeared warrior could pull it all. I also haven’t played it in higher keys so maybe is scales better now
Thanks for the input though seems like warrior should be a safe bet still
slim dove
War is fine and will continue to be fine.
dusky canopy
I mean guy respectfully if you’re end goal is +16s
dusky canopy
Do not worry about what’s meta
slim dove
Paladin is on another level imo
pallid shale
Nah I’m currently pushing 20+ but started later in the season so I’m just starting to dabble those keys
Why is pala so strong?
barren walrus
What about ease of timing 20's for a first time tank that will likely pug nearly 100%? Is there one that is just better at holding it all together when the team falls apart?
jagged pier
paladin
slim dove
Why is pala so strong?
Utility out the ass. Peek through their spellbook and talents and it's easy to figure it out
You can hand hold 3 retard dps through most mistakes as paladin
jagged pier
80% chances to block all spells all the time
dusky canopy
Blood DK and paladin don’t need a healer
jagged pier
DR in conc
dusky canopy
So there’s that