protection

[warm plinth]

You do not want to jump headfirst into higher keys as a prot warrior or you're just going to piss people off

[frigid zinc]

its my best ,,, but i need more

[buoyant tangle]

dont be me and turn your back to those sbg skeletons when they do void slash in a +20

[frigid zinc]

as new player its not bad yes ? 😄

[buoyant tangle]

it hurts and makes your healer mad

[warm plinth]

Turning your back on void slash doesn't actually change how much damage void slash does lol

[frigid zinc]

as tank i never back i mean never turn back they hurt from back to much

[buoyant tangle]

it felt like it hurt more for sure,

also coz the healer shook his head so hard I could feel it

[warm plinth]

It's definitely just feeling because factually it does not do more damage with your back turned

[frigid zinc]

yes its doesnt chenge ,,, but for atu attacks

i feel it in hals of valor when i turn back for 0,5 s and i died with 400k hp xd

after that i never turn back

mybe with shield wall

[warm plinth]

You might have taken more damage from auto attacks but you didn't take more damage from void slash

[frigid zinc]

😂 yes

[buoyant tangle]

has there been any speculation or discussion what trinkets in season 2 we might want to get?

[frigid zinc]

i have 3 trinket but donno witch one is good cuz all of them good for me

[frigid zinc]

i like this one really

[remote venture]

Immovable Object are a cool talanet bur Unstoppable Force are just better. It would be cool if Immobeable Object and Defenders's Agile talnet to have active avatar longer and have shiled wall up more often

[round pendant]

Use whetstone and horn, replace horn eventually with something better (All-Totem, Blazebinder's Hoof.. etc)

Gift of Radiance doesn't actually seem that bad actually, didn't see the strength

so stat stick + 1min cd damage

damage low af tho

[tame jasper]

That’s a general thing, esp. as a blockbased tank (warrior, pala). Ifrc you can dodge hits from behind, but you cant parry those too (thats why melee dps are behind a mob in general)

[warm plinth]

I know, I was specifically talking about the damage of void slash, which is not a blockable attack.

[frigid zinc]

well thank u guys for tips i did my first 15 key shadowmoon 😄 thank u so much

and i want to know who say its druid balance ?

its UNBALANCe

wtf

[scenic mural]

How is it unbalanced

[ionic fern]

65k is not a lot of dps...

[frigid zinc]

we call it balance in game but dmg is not balance 😂

[ionic fern]

That's actually pretty bad dps.

Your other DPS are even worse.

[frigid zinc]

as new player i see this its not balance i see always my teammates deal 3m 4m or 5 m but 7 m wow 😄

[frigid zinc]

really ? i need see them too later

[shell mortar]

It's a 15 mate give them some slack

[frigid zinc]

sure

[restive crown]

for the AV crystal dudes, is it better to stop the piercing shard or the arcane fury?

[sharp steppe]

You don’t stop the arcane fury, only piercing shards

Atleast not intentionally

[mortal brook]

Arcane fury you just purge

And if you stop the piercing shards then the arcane fury doesn't really matter

[blazing condor]

shards

[restive crown]

ahh alright thank you!

[tame jasper]

It’s spellblockable, right (Im on mobile and cant have a look at the sheet) and ofc SR-reduceable (gets announced by SR-Wesksura)

[warm plinth]

Yes it is

[echo egret]

IF the mob casts it and you run away, do you still get hit ? (like Dark Claw)

[deep spruce]

Depends on the ability, dark claw hits unless you leap

Think it's 20y range or something

[amber siren]

yeah depends on the range of the ability

[amber siren]

peck in TJS you can just walk out of, dark claw/void slash has 8 yard ranges

[south widget]

Just levelled a fresh Prot Warr.. Aside from Weap/Shield/Lariat what's our best crafteds assuming I'll mostly be doing M+ and not raid?

I checked pinneds but there wasn't anything I could see

[echo egret]

Apparently, if you're more than 8 yards away the mob cannot cast it, but once it's cast it lands - and you can't find that info on wowhead

[amber siren]

if you out-range the 8 yards you won't be hit

[round pendant]

I would say 65k overall in a +15 sbg is pretty decent

[south widget]

as a boomie main that's about as good as it gets if you're not running orbital

in 15s things die too quick for you to ramp

[round pendant]

Doesn't really matter much. Belt if you want to go for eranog ring (mythic 2/8 isn't hard in pugs), Wrists have decent stats (or you can get engineering wrists)

belt embellishment is fine on its own too

and just gets better with eggnog ring

so basically just fill low slots with your leftover sparks after lariat/wep/shield

[south widget]

Belt embellish isn't a complete pain in the ass on sanguine?

[round pendant]

hardly notice it plus it's just one week

or 2 weeks I forget

[south widget]

oh no not the souls

[sick sentinel]

i did bracers of companionship and that seemed to be okay

and personally i did food on belt, then second food buff on boots because i got a ring that needed me to craft belt

[ionic fern]

Maybe by your standards.

[round pendant]

bruh the mobs literally do not have enough hp

maybe if your other 2 dps were like doing 20k dps each you could push 90k overall

[south widget]

65k for a boomie is fine

65k for a feral? different story.

[tame jasper]

Aside from those 3 I crafted Engineering bracers and a Ring (now also gloves for embellishments which was on shield)

[round pendant]

It's not like sbg gives you many giant pump opportunities, there's like 2 moderately large packs

it's not AA

[shell mortar]

Nah, 65k is low but you're right, +15 blows for boomy

[strong forum]

It's enough to time the 15 obv cuz dps requirements for those are low

[ionic fern]

Can your Evoker heal a 23 AV @strong forum ?

[strong forum]

Doubt it

Haven't played in 1.5 weeks

[ionic fern]

D4 waiting room?

[strong forum]

Also elden ring, but primarily d4 ye

[tame jasper]

Would tank a AV23 this afternoon, did all 22 at the werkend #wayto3k

[ionic fern]

[sick sentinel]

i got that dk helmet, it finally came for a good price, expensive, ya, but worth it since it fully matches transmog and then i can use it on future paladin

[strong forum]

neat

[mortal brook]

Whys he holdin a tinted window

[sick sentinel]

its my SB tracker

[south widget]

out of curiousity - the vers alch stone isn't worth crafting on us is it?

[strong forum]

its not smth you want to target to have

if you have leftover sparks and nothing better to get, that is 1 of the options

[sick sentinel]

the problem is, is there is better options in that slot which are easier to get

[minor forge]

After a month of praying for all totem(mind you only doinh hc eranog and kurog nowadays) and m plus(again i do like 4 to 10 keys a week), replaced my watcher deck 372 for a 402 decoration
I still hope for totem or whetstone but for some trinket luck can be tough...so that alch stone might actually be good for you

[sick sentinel]

i could MAYBE craft the haste potion trinket later for a degen 40% haste build

[minor forge]

After being spoiled with blood. Spattered scale in sl, i like to always have an on use trinket be it defensive or offensive, feels comfy

[sick sentinel]

would be so happy if i could find my keystone RN .... f5 .... f5 ... f5....... refresh......

[cobalt seal]

Hi, Is pwar good for lvling in exiles reach or I should reroll something else?

[jagged pier]

go away cro

[blazing condor]

susge

[cobalt seal]

I guess that's a reroll angle then

Sadge

[uneven mason]

Only if you have a good healer

[sick sentinel]

shit, i think i ran all the 16 SBG's in the world last night

so, now there iis none left for me to run

[sick sentinel]

gunna have to run a 17 at this rate

[tropic gorge]

Over the weekend I went from low 50cpm to last night having 2 keys at 60.x

My last run was 60.8. So close to over 1 per second.
I was missing a lot of ss resets. The macro in the pins for ip helped me a whole lot to snipe resets

[sick sentinel]

surely soon i will run those 2 SBG's and ill get my greater infusions + my gloves 398+

[deep spruce]

I don't know hiw you find time to play the game yogi with how much you're in this channel

[tropic gorge]

Yogi is the master of multi tasking

[potent slate]

hey guys, beginner question I didn't find in guides.
How often do you use (if at all) Slam and Whirlwind next to Revenge in your typical tanking situations?

[lime urchin]

Slam and WW don’t exist for prot

Don’t use them

[limpid anchor]

Ww is 360

[deep spruce]

Delete them from your action bars if you have them on there, along with rend

[sick sentinel]

never gl oves

[torn whale]

Question for the group! Do you know why the cloak upgrade seems so small?

Context: I'm using a 402 raid cloak. I'm looking to upgrade one of my M+ cloaks to 411. But the DPS increase on 5 targets seems miniscule: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rdfDXbWDjmq8mbayw79Lc5

[cloud umbra]

cloak has a smaller stat budget. only a 20 stre increase

[clear kestrel]

Can Prot warriors do anything funky with Diurnas Tank buster? specifically the 160k nature damage portion

[jagged pier]

not really no

[uneven mason]

Define "funky"

[jagged pier]

i think he means like ams or CB

[tired pivot]

hey, is there a WA that announces me when I need to taunt swap on council?

[clear kestrel]

Yeah just nice ways to deal with it, deflect/reflect, avoid the mechanics in some way

[jagged pier]

we have none

u can spell block on a long cd

[mortal brook]

dbm should have the option. you're just looking for crush cast on cotank to taunt opalfang. nothign else needs swapped tbh.

or grab https://wago.io/dfcotank1 but youll have to mess with the custom options

[limpid anchor]

Taunt wa

[mortal brook]

no shaming. some people arent built for staying awake when basically all thats required of a tank in raid is pressing taunt every 30s

[sick sentinel]

should i upgrade the 379s or the other ones, slightly more secondary budget between them

[mortal brook]

itll be the same budget at same ilvl champ

[sick sentinel]

i can do 2000 worth of valor right now

ill get a bit more haste if i do the 379's

[mortal brook]

right abouts a third of a percent. its a significant diff to be sure

[sick sentinel]

i would get around 70 more haste

[tired pivot]

thanks

[mortal brook]

my mistake, 2/5th

[tired pivot]

also, at how many eranog stacks do we swap?

on mythic

[mortal brook]

stack dropoff

could be 3-7 depending on spellqueue

[tired pivot]

right, thanks

[cosmic arrow]

Hello, does anyone have a build, decent damage and defense, for Diurna on HC, i am taking Diurna , so single target

[limpid anchor]

Just check the logs from top wars and copy their build

Defense is a healer issue

[cosmic arrow]

Thank you, i have copied that but not sure if they are on adds or boss

[limpid anchor]

But it’s mostly just 1 or 2 points diff if you want more def

I would suggest not using itf but the block talent

And you are fine

[cosmic arrow]

I prefer build more towards offensive

[limpid anchor]

You can also just check terros builds

As it’s pure st

[cosmic arrow]

sounds good, thank you, healers are pretty good

[jagged pier]

but its not healers u literally take less healing most of the time if your boss tank

u need to focus on mitigation

[mortal brook]

sort by 'damage to boss'

[uneven mason]

I mean, top warriors not the best metric, I'd use the builds in the pins here and use some braincells

[sick sentinel]

im hitting recraft on my shield but nothing happens

[mortal brook]

repair it

[sick sentinel]

i think it always was repaired says 120/120

[dusky canopy]

Top 10 log builds are not the best for living

[sick sentinel]

i don't understand, i have all the points in shield craft and items in bags

i dont get an error message or nothin

[dusky canopy]

Keep in mind these people play with very good healers most of the time

Also they kill the boss very fast witch requires less ability to stay alive

It’s fine to copy a top log build but if you’re causing issues with it then you stop playing with that build and focus on living instead

[sick sentinel]

im lost guys

[mortal brook]

screenshot your craft window

[dusky canopy]

Recraft won’t work unless something about your shield is changing

Are you applying the infusion in the optional reagents slot?

[mortal brook]

did you try unequipping it first

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah it should be working then according to that screen

[sick sentinel]

its not equipped in my bags currently

[mortal brook]

/reload

[dusky canopy]

Try re logging or that yeah ^

[sick sentinel]

i tried restarting computer

[mortal brook]

looks like you're sol then

[dusky canopy]

This might be a dumb question but are you near a anvil?

[sick sentinel]

well, wtf lol

[mortal brook]

anvil isnt red on windw

so should be

[dusky canopy]

Oh true true

[sick sentinel]

doesn't work on blacksmith table or anvil, i had to unequip my current shiled or something? im not sure. im trying to recraft to 418 now

[uneven mason]

That's strange indeed

[cosmic arrow]

👍🏻

[sick sentinel]

gross, it doesn't want to 5 star

[uneven mason]

Using 2 star ore

[sick sentinel]

ya

[uneven mason]

Don't be cheap

[sick sentinel]

3 star doesn't bump me up that much i think

[uneven mason]

It will

[sick sentinel]

.....

it did not

[lusty tiger]

So r we getting another tank or what?

[uneven mason]

Wat

[lusty tiger]

3rd evoker spec

[sick sentinel]

i did it

[ember tangle]

If it can proc rank 5 with 2 star ore then using 3 star makes no difference

Gratz

[uneven mason]

Half of them think they're tanks already because they love to pull shit ahead of us

[mortal brook]

prob just scrapped content they got rid of tbh

[lusty tiger]

I thinks it’s funny how devastation is a 99% failed spec creation, so they just decide to make a 3rd- maybe?

[uneven mason]

I could see it "and our first mail class tank" and the old school enhancement shaman be like

[mortal brook]

what's wrong with devoker

[lusty tiger]

Poop and cringe

I had a shaman tank in classic vanilla

I could OT AQ20 in blues

[mortal brook]

its been 17 years, we can move on

rockbiter doesnt even taunt anymore

[uneven mason]

"let's make the same spell produce egregious aggro and be their interrupt"

[lusty tiger]

I think the pinnacle of shaman tank is wotlk

[mortal brook]

id trust a priest tank first

in LK

[lusty tiger]

This was always a PITA playing enhance dps in vanilla

[lusty tiger]

There is a minmax community for shaman that is pretty good

And spriest can tank one boss in icc

“Easily”

I just read the rules and apparently linking shaman tank discord is not breaking them https://discord.gg/tCCuMTFk

[sick sentinel]

enhance was never a tank imo

[uneven mason]

You shut your whore mouth

[strong forum]

He's telling the truth and you know it

[distant crystal]

they had a taunt and a block talent

!

[median tulip]

There was a lot of weirdness in the old days. What's really strange to me though is that there's a lot of chatter about a 3rd Evoker spec as a "buff" spec, and that was originally also one of the points where Enhancement was supposed to be

[fresh igloo]

there's likely a 3rd evoker spec, but the support/buff thing seems pure wild speculation.

[distant crystal]

they better give them guitars

[median tulip]

Shaman can quite reasonably be aggrieved by how they've been treated thus far in DF

[fresh igloo]

not saying it's wrong but... it doesn't really seem based on anything.

[median tulip]

The thing is, from experience in other games with buff classes (FFXI); you cannot really just have one or two. If they are powerful enough to justify a place in the party then they become effectively mandatory, and having every party requiring an Evoker would be bad

[distant crystal]

i could see an evoker buff spec being deadge in 5mans

only worth playing in raid where they get to buff a lot of dps

[uneven mason]

EverQuest and Enchanters

[median tulip]

It's a really difficult balance to strike, in terms of game design

[uneven mason]

Early game, you either had an enchanter or you just didn't do deep dungeons

[median tulip]

Man, EQ... It's been a very long time

In FFXI you either had a Bard or Red Mage (or later, a Corsair), or you didn't do anything, at all.

[lusty tiger]

i could see a buff spec being best in the tank role for balance reasons

[uneven mason]

Still horrifies me how much /played I had on my original main in eq, true neckbeard days

[median tulip]

The best way to somewhat balance that kind of thing is to make it so their buff power, even in raids, is limited to the party, not the whole raid

[distant crystal]

yeah but everybody hates that

when you have multiple "only buffs their party" things, arranging groups turns into a nightmare

that's why they changed icon imo

[uneven mason]

Like wow isn't balanced around the quadrinity of having a support class added

[distant crystal]

are you just making up words now

[median tulip]

Hahahaha IKR? Same for Ultima Online, Acheron's Call, Anarchy Online... I am an old MMO player

[distant crystal]

gonna make me go look up quadrinity

[sick sentinel]

just runescape really

but i mean.... the shit i seen in that game....

there's something very satisfying about that game because its just like, you log in and you do what you want to do, and if you cant, you have to discover how to grind it, new age RS sucks with gold everywhere

and so, if for 12 hours a day i wanted to do farming seeds, or fishing, i could do that, i dunno how to explain it old launch RS2

[uneven mason]

Didn't spend a lot of time in the others, literally 1200days played between 1999 and 2005

[sick sentinel]

there was one old 3d mmo i tired

around 2000-2007, and it was bad ps 1 ps 2 graphics, and you start on a beach or soemthin, and it goes into a woods, and then there is a cabin with a fenc around it, and deer i think

[lusty tiger]

That’s 6yrs of 10hr/day grinding

[uneven mason]

More or less

I worked seasonal construction so during the winter I'd put in closer to 16 hours

With a few 60 hour marathons

[lusty tiger]

What do you do now that you’re old and more tired

[uneven mason]

Computer stuff

[lusty tiger]

The come up

I have probably gone 3 days no sleep grinding wow

In college

[violet flume]

play with computers as a teen, work with computers as an adult

hopefully play again during retirement heh

[lusty tiger]

I enslave computers

[uneven mason]

Web design was fun before I got paid for it

[median tulip]

Mood

[lusty tiger]

Web design hurts my soul but it is incredibly satisfying

It’s abstract robotics basically

[uneven mason]

Trying to walk clients through why they can't just launch workspaces without doing UI and UX testing.... yeah looks great, functions like cold peanut butter

[lusty tiger]

There’s a reason we naturally go to percussive maintenance

[uneven mason]

Meaning I should just stat hitting them with a hammer

[lusty tiger]

As a user attempting to interact with a broken or incorrectly working page

U wanna slam it to function

[uneven mason]

My favorite one this week is finding that the developers decided it was a great idea to make the default view for incident management to have details hidden, and the toggle to display it placed in a hamburger on the sidebar

I certainly want to hit them with a hammer

[lusty tiger]

Yes and they probably deserve it

[median tulip]

I worked for 20 years in IT support. "Have you tried turning it off and back on again?" is a funny meme because it's true.

[lusty tiger]

Esp with anything Linux

service randomly turns off

[median tulip]

Mostly working with thin clients and visualisation of desktop environments... So many ways for shit to go wrong.

[distant crystal]

VDI is the best tho

[lusty tiger]

Oh and they do

[distant crystal]

problem? destroy desktop

problem solved

[lusty tiger]

They’re always wrong from my experience

Imagine if everyone actually read a guide

Maybe asked a quest or two

[uneven mason]

"anyone"

[lusty tiger]

Feels lack of eyeballs man

Eyelids taped shut

Would you ever want to go back to library books and the encyclopedia?

[dusky canopy]

3rd Evoker spec

[lusty tiger]

Like a game informer magazine on the best m+ builds for prot warrior

[dusky canopy]

[lusty tiger]

Yea it’s a buff tank

[dusky canopy]

[elder juniper]

Is the current pinned bug list still accurate?

[jagged pier]

BSV for sure still is

the other i dont know

but none of them matter anyway

[elder juniper]

Thank you

[jagged pier]

u run BV anyways

and u dont run the other 2 talents

because they bad

[elder juniper]

Thanks!

[median tulip]

What's bugged about Booming Voice?

[dusky canopy]

He was talking about Battle Scared Vet being bugged not BV

[median tulip]

We don't run Battle Scared Veteran...

[azure willow]

I think he was talking about the bug to brutal vitality; it won’t add to IP once you cap until IP completely falls off. You still run it though.

[median tulip]

Oh!

Right that makes sense

FFS I wish Bliz would name talents so there are unique acronyms

[lusty tiger]

blizzard cannot even produce correct or easily readable patch notes

[jovial fractal]

I looked in the pins, do we know which Primordial Gems are slated to be BIS?

[slim dove]

Dps wise they're all pretty shit.

[strong forum]

If you have 415+ rings currently, you can absolutely ignore the special ring

It's not a ring made for people who do "high end" content

[jovial fractal]

The effects seem very mediocre lol

[strong forum]

Yes, it's a ring for casual gamers

Just for fun

[jovial fractal]

Even at 424 though it doesnt seem worth?

[strong forum]

Yes the ring is not worth even at 441

[jovial fractal]

Perfect lol

[lusty tiger]

Which ring?

[strong forum]

You can absolutely ignore it

[jovial fractal]

ive done 0 testing just some reading

[slim dove]

The 3x gem slot ring.

[strong forum]

The 3 gem ring in 10.0.7

[slim dove]

With no secondaries.

[lusty tiger]

Oh wtf

I mean maybe w the Jc trinket for other specs???

[jovial fractal]

yeah losing those secondaries seems rough af

[lusty tiger]

That’s so strange

[strong forum]

Why is it strange

[jovial fractal]

Dont those only interact with stat gems?

[strong forum]

It's a ring for World questers

It's not made for people who do 20s

[lusty tiger]

Only item I’ve seen like that so far is the bfa trinket with the tinker modules thing

[strong forum]

Simple as that

[jovial fractal]

Yeah doesnt really seem like a mythic raiding ring

[strong forum]

And there's nothing wrong with releasing items just for fun

[jovial fractal]

Not at all, I just was trying to get ahead of the game, but I was reading though and thought "man these dont seem too good"

But wanted to seek a second opinion lol

[slim dove]

It's also a catch up mechanic

[jovial fractal]

Appreciate yall, always nice to check what other pwars are thinking

[urban portal]

the patch notes itself are fine

its the wowhead datamines that are a mess

which isnt meant to be read anyways

[lusty tiger]

Dust and dawn

[uneven mason]

Imagine building a game that has stuff for the 80% if players who only do heroic dungeons and LFR is as progressed as they do.

Like to a lot of people heroic raiding, mythic + dungeons are big scary things

[median tulip]

ISTR that half of the player base never sets foot into a Mythic dungeon

[strong forum]

yes exactly

[sick sentinel]

ISTR? you mean it's?

I wonder what would cause players to go to lvl 70 and then all they do is WQ

[toxic pewter]

you guys think the 3rd evoker spec coming in 10.1 could be a surprise tank spec?

[minor helm]

They said support

[sick sentinel]

tank is support is it not

[toxic pewter]

yeah most likely support

[minor forge]

What does support even mean

[minor helm]

Buff other players

Which I guess a tank could do

[toxic pewter]

just would be crazy if they do a complete surprise while actively saying there wont be a tank

[minor helm]

Seems like the weird spot to fit in

[minor forge]

Well I know that
But where does it fit?
Dps, heal or tank

[toxic pewter]

does blizz actively say one thing and do another these days or no

[minor helm]

Would say dps

[uneven mason]

I will literally go Netese on their headquarters if they put in another tank

[strong forum]

huh

[minor helm]

Since it’s the only with more than 1 in a group

[toxic pewter]

theres a 6th dragonflight, the Violet dragonflight. the new spec is black and purple themed

[left beacon]

for a 21 temple should i rock the 2 charges of shield wall?

[toxic pewter]

Would be wild

[minor forge]

Dps might make sense, with a halff ass low dps but buffing others so his "dps" is competitive
But how would that fair in a mythic plus
It seems op in raids, but underwhelming in party content

[uneven mason]

You mean the twilight dragonflight?

[strong forum]

did blizz say new evoker spec or is that just hoax

[toxic pewter]

There is heavy clues to a new surprise spec coming

but no confirmation

[sick sentinel]

why people gotta speculate so hard lol

[strong forum]

aha

[uneven mason]

I'm guessing it's a hoax

[strong forum]

cuz i didnt hear anything about it

[toxic pewter]

There is a 6th dragonflight though

[sick sentinel]

i just wanna wait till game comes out and find out whats in the game by playing it

[toxic pewter]

Violet which is not infinite

[uneven mason]

Like literally 10.1 is coming out in April?

[sick sentinel]

no

[strong forum]

may/june

[sick sentinel]

10.0.7 is 2 weeks

[uneven mason]

That's better more time to grind up the ksm

[sick sentinel]

ksm is pretty easy at this poiint

you just hold W

[toxic pewter]

not in season 2, gonna be RouteLords left and right

[minor forge]

10.1 is likely late may with raid in june

[uneven mason]

Yes if I could more than a key or two ever week

[left beacon]

double shield walltemple 21?

[dapper vapor]

Fairly sure I read some wowhead interview about it being a bard spec for Evoker? Whatever the hell that would look like in WoW

[uneven mason]

Yeah routlords fucking kills m+

[sick sentinel]

blizzard developers.... NEVER bring back SBG into mythic + please

[toxic pewter]

I suspect season 2 routing will be quite annoying lmao

[minor forge]

Idk about that but definitely spell block

[left beacon]

that goes without saying

[uneven mason]

I legit want the challenge of the dungeon, not the challenge of my healer having a toddler tantrum because I didn't follow his MDI heros copypasta

[toxic pewter]

incoming first ever ranged tank. calling it now mark this post

[sick sentinel]

it is so impossible to die in that duneon besides spider cast, deathblast, double worm slam and skeleton wall

i actually wiped to worm, +17, 2 slams 1 tank

we timed

legit think thats first time i ever wiped to him

[toxic pewter]

like 5/8 dungeons gonna have people being annoying cuz of route

[weak snow]

is there a list for abilitys i can dwarf somewhere? :>

[strong forum]

every debuff

that has dmg components

except last boss SMBG

[minor forge]

All about that last pull
With good dps, double shield wall might enable full tanking and less kite so dps will shred it down, if not, well 1 or 2 charges of sw wont make it or break it
Then again, depends on your party

[strong forum]

and none of the debuffs in raid

[uneven mason]

I'm excited for cross faction guilds

I can play my dark irons and not be doomed to guldlessness

[sick sentinel]

had dragon riders cultivation on for god only knows how long, im a BS and engi

[uneven mason]

[sick sentinel]

i have to check out this pizza tower some day, it looks weird, keep seeing memes of it, i don't get it

[round pendant]

You're gonna die to void slash in your first +19/20 heheh

[slim dove]

Mdps crying I'm not following the latest tettles or dratnos route as I close chat window and hold W.

[round pendant]

also death blast literally tickles

[toxic pewter]

I actually think season 2 is going to be more challenging that season 1

[slim dove]

Oh absolutely it will

I'm excited for it

[toxic pewter]

yah same

[elder garden]

Bracken time

[toxic pewter]

Gonna have a lot of leavers though

[slim dove]

Thats fine I have a team now

[toxic pewter]

nice

[slim dove]

All 200io lower then me but we have fun

So it's fine

[round pendant]

I'd be happy being 500 io lower if it meant having more fun

[elder garden]

Felt that

[toxic pewter]

Are you guys happy theres no seasonal affix

[round pendant]

Nah

[toxic pewter]

I actually always enjoyed them

[round pendant]

I haven't played since Legion and all the people talking about how encrypted was poggers and I'll never get to experience a fun seasonal

[toxic pewter]

But seems like most people dont like them?

[slim dove]

Thundering was meh with how much ground clutter there is rn

[toxic pewter]

Yeah that is true thundering is pretty weak

[slim dove]

Otherwise I liked it "somewhat"

[toxic pewter]

Encrypted was fun but all of them have their issues if the team just sucked

[round pendant]

Almost wiped on third boss on nokhud because rogue teleported away from the clear with shadowstep and we all got stunned in the fear

[mighty valley]

should've predicted that and specced into aoe fear break for the first time in your entire life

[round pendant]

Imo thundering would be ok without the huge ground swirlies as it happens (literally pointless mechanic) and instead of a 5 second stun it could just put a bleed on you or something

[toxic pewter]

I guess I am curious how the +7 affixes may change

[uneven mason]

No

[urban portal]

Thundering is boring

Prideful choked pathing too hard

I really like the legion time walking one

[mighty valley]

thundering is fun with people you know and can be very frustrating with randos

i think it's cool going forward to break the pattern and only do a +10 affix if they have a banger

[toxic pewter]

I guess seasonal affixes are just too punishing for pugs

[round pendant]

Just remove seasonals and put the fun ones in the +7 group

encrypted seems like it was genuinely fun and interesting but I never got to play it

would be nice to see it come back as a normal affix

[mighty valley]

they couldn't do it as a normal affix

[toxic pewter]

yeah they dont work as noirmal affixes

[mighty valley]

it requires a bunch of per-dungeon special work

also just weird if some weeks are like "volcanic!" and others are something wildly more complex

[round pendant]

I guess so, losing the +7 and having encrypted in place might be weird

[pallid quiver]

I, once again, come out to say that we should shoot all affixes except for like those interesting seasonal onces

or make the dungeon scale harder base or something

they just feel like chores to deal with most of the time than anything engaging

[round pendant]

I don't even find that the affixes make the dungeons much harder

[pallid quiver]

same

[round pendant]

except the grievous + bursting one

that's "hard" in the sense that it ruins the entire flow and fun

[lusty tiger]

wb greycasting mobs on sanguine week

wb the charging wyrmfuck in AA

[pallid quiver]

man, sanguine's such a damn drag with pugs when something starts casting something uninterruptible

[lusty tiger]

its like getting soap in your peehole

[slim dove]

Just accept he has 2x hp this week

Or tell your ranged to fuck off out of melee

[sick sentinel]

some mage was going mental cuz he wanted the horn from +2 hov and i showed my 411 avoidance one

[lusty tiger]

LMAO good

[lusty tiger]

accepting that is like getting soap in my peehole

[mighty valley]

i don't like government censorship or the prison system but you saying that phrase twice means you should be jailed for life

[lusty tiger]

probably

i cannot think of a better fitting sensation

at least not one appropriate for discord ^^

[toxic pewter]

I wonder how season 3 will be, will it be 8 dungeons from any xpac

[mighty valley]

i'd guess still four from DF but a mix we haven't had yet

[toxic pewter]

ah yeah that makes sense

[lusty tiger]

halls of infusion cant wait to hate that place even more

[prisma crane]

dont forget there will also be the new super dungeon, so that's typically 2 when set to M+

[lusty tiger]

oh truuuu

thats actualy exciting

they have done an amazing job with the last 2(4?) superdungeons

[prisma crane]

exciting until it's a really long RLP+HoI

with some Bracken action

[toxic pewter]

oh ya good point

[prisma crane]

but agree, generally i like the larger dungeons

[mighty valley]

return to kara was great as a mini-raid on launch, a bit sketchier as two dungeons

[prisma crane]

Kara, Mechagon, Tasz

[mighty valley]

but yeah, mechagon and tazavesh both overall bangers

[toxic pewter]

I have a feeling the super dungeon will be Bronze dragon themed, going into that big temple, into the past/future again

[sick sentinel]

8 more dungeons and im 411 equipped

[lusty tiger]

kara was ):- but thematically sick

[prisma crane]

well as a warrior i just hated how much more fun Upper Kara was in Legion than during SL

[sick sentinel]

i still have nightmares about karazhan keystones

[toxic pewter]

yeah the sl kara was pretty rough O_O

[lusty tiger]

disband on horses

[prisma crane]

upper medivh was like a prot warr wet dream back in Legion

[lusty tiger]

kick my reflect cast

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[left beacon]

i love playing with disrupting shout

[mighty valley]

most of the problems with upper kara were forgiven for the enormous spell reflects on final boss

[lusty tiger]

medivh giving me some crusade torture methods on pwar

[sick sentinel]

AGAIN, karazhan mythic + good for good players, bad for bad players

its literalt that simple

[echo egret]

The wolves in HoV , they can easily 1-shot people, is there still a sweet spot trick ?

[prisma crane]

again, you're missing the point im making

[sick sentinel]

and i wouldnt mind a baby mode mechanics vs bullshit mechanics

[prisma crane]

back in Legion*, you could reflect the entirety of his arcane missiles

and then do it 3x in a row

which would stack the debuff on him

so you'd do like 40% of his HP back to him real easily

[sick sentinel]

like, if u turn it on, u get the old bfa bolstering

but u get more reward

[prisma crane]

and that buff would also buff DH and Moonkin and Arcane mage dmg

[lusty tiger]

they just dont want us to have fun

[prisma crane]

yep, reflective plating or w/e it was called was amazing

full reflects for duration, i loved it

[sick sentinel]

i think if they are involving murazond into DF they have to have end time as one of the dungeons

[mighty valley]

i can still enjoy christmas even if it's not what it was when i was 10 years old

[prisma crane]

only took them 5 years to fix SR to still keep DR for full duration after a reflect too...

[sick sentinel]

that was at the end patch of cata anyways and all about dragon

[lusty tiger]

because youre old enough to drink now ^^

and can reach the infinite amount of cookie jars around during christmas time

[mighty valley]

i was about to say that's true about wow, but. i've been old enough to drink for the whole duration of wow

[lusty tiger]

ancient

[distant crystal]

i pirated wc1 on floppy

[uneven mason]

My first MMO warriors 24th birthday is in 19 days

[sick sentinel]

you didnt support them?

for shame

[distant crystal]

i was in 8th grade and broke hell naw

[lusty tiger]

he will be the same age as me

[mighty valley]

baby

[lusty tiger]

^^

[sick sentinel]

Get Ye Flask

[lusty tiger]

being young nowadays is a blessing and a curse

[crimson bay]

do u ppl tank in

def stance or battle stance

[lusty tiger]

battle

[crimson bay]

personally ive been running def stance all the time but as we take literally no dmg im thinking can it be worth go battle stance?

[fresh igloo]

yes

go battle stance unless you're 100% sure you need the extra mitigation.

[azure spruce]

Depends on what you are running … mythic jaws i swap defensive

[hallow phoenix]

I only swap to dstance for big hits if I don't have a CD already going, and then swap back

[dusky canopy]

B stance owns

[fresh igloo]

spoiler: ya pretty much don't need dstance for keys under +20.

[dusky canopy]

You swap D stance for tank busters otherwise you really don’t need it

Mileage may very once you go higher than +22 I’ve only done up to that level

[lusty tiger]

if you are max geared sure

[fresh igloo]

or if you are geared appropriately for the key level you're doing, and still working your way up.

I'm no star player or anything and it's fine.

[tropic gorge]

I'm ilvl 404 running in the 16 and 17 range now. I use d stance for the big painful tank busters like tjs, and hov first boss (going left)

[lusty tiger]

some before others- i would reccoment tank buster stance dancing for hyrja before like AV 1st boss

[stuck basin]

you can deflect the av first boss tankbuster every time - no deff stance needed

[sharp steppe]

AV First Boss doesn’t have a tankbuster for pwars

[lusty tiger]

o tru i was thinking of my pally

arcane cleave? then

the 2nd boss cleave thingy

[dusky canopy]

RLP first boss

You could use dstance if everything else is in cd

[lusty tiger]

i hate that boss so much on pwar

[dusky canopy]

The casts hit hard mostly just requires A lot of healing

[slim dove]

First boss is meh just rotate defensives and use spell block

Joke boss compared to 2nd/3rd

[chilly brook]

Don’t need to be max geared for this to apply

[dusky canopy]

True that just spitting out examples to add too dstance usages

[lusty tiger]

but like why not dstance swap on some just because you dont have to, but will need to eventually

[dusky canopy]

Basically you only use dstance if you would otherwise die

So sit bstance

Swap when required

[lusty tiger]

either youre greedily pumping bcuz it is content on farm for you or you aren't

[chilly brook]

I mean sure you can establish good habits

But if you don’t need it you don’t need it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[astral hare]

What, isn’t extra threat connected to dstance anymore?

[fresh igloo]

it is not.

[mighty valley]

nope

[chilly brook]

No….

[dusky canopy]

I’m fairly comfortable stance dancing so I will usually swap with a defensive if the key level is high enough

[fresh igloo]

the average prot warrior is used to sitting in defensive stance, so the message here is ensuring people understand they don't need it unless they need the mitigation.

[dusky canopy]

Word

[chilly brook]

The average prot warrior still thinks IP>shield block

Because they just rerolled to it this xpac

[fresh igloo]

best we can do is educate lol

[astral hare]

I’ve learned a new thing. Thanks guys

[tardy lily]

i just tuned in here to ask a question and learned the most groundbreaking thing 😰

[chilly brook]

[lusty tiger]

Holy fucks guys

Read all your spells

[slim dove]

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, baseline, tanks don't tank enough damage outside of key, telegraphed scenarios

[lusty tiger]

Your homework tonight

[pallid quiver]

So you just treat Def Stance as a Defensive CD

[tardy lily]

my mind is still def stance = more threat

[pallid quiver]

Threat hasn't been tied to a stance for a long hot minute

[sharp steppe]

How do people choose there. SB is 100% uptime anyway no?

[pallid quiver]

you have to choose if you're stupid

[lusty tiger]

Anyway meaning?

[mighty valley]

they burn all their rage maintaining IP uptime, which is possible because they're not pressing shield block

[chilly brook]

Technically wrong

[pallid quiver]

SB, when playing right, has a 100% uptime in combat

[chilly brook]

Defensive Stance is negative threat

[sharp steppe]

That I’m not sure how people choose between IP and SB because you press SB once on pull and you have it for the entire pull pretty much

[lusty tiger]

Just trying to make sure they guy doesn’t think you automagically have 100% block as a warrior

[pallid quiver]

you sorta do but

[chilly brook]

Since threat is tied to damage dealt essentially, taking on a damage penalty is losing you threat

[tardy lily]

anyhow, i wanted to know how you guys handle Terros Mythic. I feel he hits like a tremendous truck. I am atm trying to have SB up all the time, weave in IP and alternate SW and LS for tankhits if possible. I am thinking of taking double SW talent so I have more mitigation available because as the fight progresses I feel I run out of defensives.

[lusty tiger]

[pallid quiver]

My smooth brain defaults that to tied to damage still instead of stance

[lusty tiger]

You should have 2x SW iirc

[dusky canopy]

“Ignore Paine uptime”

[chilly brook]

I’m just being pedantic tbh

[lusty tiger]

Check out jakeyplops logs

[dusky canopy]

[pallid quiver]

Double SW is less SWs overall

You grab it for if there's a specific point where you need 2 SWs very close together, either back-to-back or close to it

[lusty tiger]

That’s kinda how Terros is

[dusky canopy]

Add in stance swap every tank buster too

[tardy lily]

for now I am constantly in def stance anyways since it's progression for us

[pallid quiver]

The problem is, though I haven't raided mythic, there's not enough time to get both those charges back

[tardy lily]

(as I learned today I dont need to)

[chilly brook]

But why

[lusty tiger]

You’ll leech more in b stance while taking regular melees

[chilly brook]

^

[tardy lily]

makes sense

[pallid quiver]

so it's like having a shittier cd on Shield Wall and you just get less usage of them

[chilly brook]

Tank damage matters

[dusky canopy]

If you are dying to to health rot while using dstance all the time it might be a healer prob

[pallid quiver]

not enough if your DPS decide to throw their bodies at the boss

[dusky canopy]

If you’re standing in bad ground or getting double hit by pillars spawning that’s on you

[pallid quiver]

when's tank dps buffs blizz

[tardy lily]

we did utilise for the upcoming wee k a external rotation for both tanks afaik

[pallid quiver]

i need vengeance back kthx

[tardy lily]

we have a space issue wit hthe good, people dropping shit too close to tanks, so sometimes we tanks need to move into shit, but that's a people problem, that i know

but my feeling, overall, is that I am getting smacked way too hard by him

[mighty valley]

prot warrs do actually need some attention from healers when you get into mythic, some of it might just be the shock from reaching content that actually hurts

[tardy lily]

i did not feel anything from bosses up until terros

[pallid quiver]

shout outs to that guy who just had his healers slap a few hots on him and then call him good

that was one of the funnier logs to see come through here

[tardy lily]

same for keys, the few keys i did as prot (i mainly dps keys) i barely feel like things do dmg until i hit a 20

[lusty tiger]

in slands i was the least healed every pull by A LOT

[dusky canopy]

+18 Health bar always full

[mighty valley]

it's also like, where are the healer st externals going? you can also call for those to cover some hits you don't have CDs up for

[dusky canopy]

+20 not so much

[lusty tiger]

this is a question i would always like to know the answer to

[tardy lily]

thanks for confirming that :D so I am not completely shitting myself

[slim dove]

When his raid leader came in here to start shit

[pallid quiver]

Wait, did he?

[lusty tiger]

cannot be fully decided without logs

[pallid quiver]

I completely missed that if so

[slim dove]

Yup

[dusky canopy]

Best thing your group could do to help you out is not have the soak circle be on the boss

There’s no reason not to back it up

[pallid quiver]

damn, i missed the good part

[dusky canopy]

Melee hit box is big

[chilly brook]

Honestly I just track healer CDs with an addon

[mighty valley]

yeah, he had to come to this discord to defend the honor of his guild

[slim dove]

Giga cringe and wouldn't listen to a word from me, nom, or jake

[chilly brook]

And then call for them if I need them

[tardy lily]

oh 100%, i will bring a log after next raid most likely, will need to adjust my terrible gameplay first 🙈 as I learned something crucial today

[autumn minnow]

can anyone send ss of dmg breakdown for prot war plz 🙂

[pallid quiver]

just glance at some logs tbh

[uneven mason]

This carries a lot of variables

[pallid quiver]

Like look up Nome's logs for whatever dungeon you're looking at

or sense

[prisma crane]

SS and Tclap and Rev are going to be high up

[pallid quiver]

I'm not sure if Jakey's char is easily searchable, but another good one if so

[prisma crane]

use your stuff

[chilly brook]

Jakeyplops

[dusky canopy]

TC on top in AA

[chilly brook]

He’s the OG other Pandaren prot warrior

[pallid quiver]

I'm not surprised, but the fact someone felt the need to come over here and defend themselves after saying to that warrior that our opinions don't matter and that we don't know the class as good as his ass, I really hope that guy gquit that guild

man's a desperate, egotistical loony

I won't say we're always right, but I will say that guy's always wrong

just based on his lack of understanding I saw demonstrated in the log

[dusky canopy]

Oh no

We’re always right

[pallid quiver]

thinking that's how we get a bubble going

[minor forge]

Dps acting like retards in forti week
I dread what will happen next week on tyrannical

[dusky canopy]

That’s only a problem for those outside the bubble

[uneven mason]

God's in the numbers

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

So off topic nom said above the new ring is dog water?

That’s a bummer

[uneven mason]

Doesn't do anything for people who are doing end content already

[dusky canopy]

It is just passive damage after all no real loss

[toxic pewter]

are people even excited for 10.0.7? Feel like I would of rather them put in a lot more work into 10.1 and just wait a bit longer for 10.1 shrug

[slim dove]

He got gkicked I think

[fresh igloo]

it's a minor patch. nbd.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm sure ret pallies are excited heh

lot of class tuning and new world zone. it's just not a big deal if you're focused on raiding or pushing keys.

[slim dove]

Yeah I like it. Content is always good plus I have lots of giga casual friends coming back for it

[uneven mason]

People who live in outdoor content are very excited

[toxic pewter]

I see

[pallid quiver]

Just as well in the end, I suppose, considering how toxic that guild had to have been, but the catharsis from gquitting would've been nice for the guy

[uneven mason]

Like literally the majority of the people who play wow will get gear upgrades from the reach

[hazy sluice]

its not the frontal that trucks in azure vault , its the stacking bleed ._.

nature bleed

yikes

[slim dove]

Ye alot of us here forget that even doing 20s is beyond the reach of 99% of wow players

[hazy sluice]

what can i do against it

[slim dove]

Stop them ofc.

3x stuns, 1 fear

[uneven mason]

It's a bit more accessable now but yeah the vast majority don't do m+ or even normal raids

[hazy sluice]

yeah silly question i guess

[uneven mason]

You could try that thing we have that removes poisoned

Idk

[gritty bone]

you guys put slame or rend on your bars or nah?

[elder garden]

lmao

[toxic pewter]

na

[uneven mason]

Remove slam whirlwind and rend

[sick sentinel]

there is no scenario in which you could hit WW where it would be better than hitting revenge, slam with shield slam, and rend cuz u apply it with TC that you do in normal rotation anyway

[gritty bone]

nice ty, i picked up prot to do dungeons and was like "damn where to i even put this shit"

[sick sentinel]

hamstring is a bit like that, very often no good reason to hit it

if you NEED a good long slowing effect, maybe tap it once, like to kite

[cloud umbra]

i hate healing warriors haha. Doing 22-23 level keys and 50% shield block uptime.

[toxic pewter]

I have hamstring bound, I think it is def worth binding

[pallid quiver]

You're not healing a warrior at that point

[dusky canopy]

1 key slam
2 key ww
3 key rend

[pallid quiver]

You're healing a mouth breather

[cloud umbra]

like i dont understand how

[dusky canopy]

🧠

[cloud umbra]

they made it this far

[dusky canopy]

You basically have to have block up at the start of some pulls or you drop dead lmao

[median tulip]

The only times I ever use Hamstring are for the add on the first boss in NO, and the add on the second boss in SBG

[dusky canopy]

At that key level anyway

[cloud umbra]

i was spamming him solo

during everything

[dusky canopy]

Yeah with our talents there zero excuses

Press more buttons

[sick sentinel]

i think a normal 410 pwar could get 50% blocks through mastery, and SC

[cloud umbra]

he was ITF

just casually healed him through that

on a fort ruby

[sick sentinel]

does he have shield block on his bars?

[cloud umbra]

haha

dude on the 2nd boss i swear he didnt press it once until after the first burnout

he was getting chunked

this was a 21 not a 22. Forgot i depleted the 22 haha

but still

[urban portal]

can you show the # blocked

this is normal

thats not 50% shield block uptime

thats more like 75-80

[toxic pewter]

possible season 2 M+ Timers:

Dungeon Timer
Uldaman: Legacy of Tyr 40:00
Neltharus 35:00
Brackenhide Hollow 36:00
Halls of infusion 38:00
Vortex Pinnacle 30:00
Freehold 33:00
Underrot 33:00
Neltharion's Lair 33:00

GONNA BE A LONG SEASON BOYS

[cloud umbra]

wut?

[urban portal]

can you show the logs

[lusty tiger]

THE WORST

[cloud umbra]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vfC3RXtcFmVzApnJ/#type=damage-taken&fight=last&source=147

[urban portal]

think of it like this: you have 2 hits that does 100 damage, and your block mitigates 50%

so you block 1 of those hits

it would say:blocked hits 50, unblocked 150

[cloud umbra]

when i hover over the same thing on my warrior

[urban portal]

but you still mitigated 50% of the hits

[cloud umbra]

its always >90%

blocked

[urban portal]

this is the number that you want

not the other one

[cloud umbra]

oh how do you get there?

[urban portal]

hover over hits

instead of damage

so he blocked 70% of the hits

[cloud umbra]

ok

[urban portal]

but the 30% that leaked through does a ton of damage

[cloud umbra]

thats new to me

[urban portal]

which is reasonable

[cloud umbra]

ive always checked myself on hovering over the amount

[urban portal]

im not saying 70% blocked hits is good in anyway

im just saying that you are reading the data wrong

[cloud umbra]

i gotcha

[urban portal]

he should definitely play HR tho

[cloud umbra]

appreciate it

[urban portal]

he has a "50% uptime" on shield block but that also includes walking around

@cloud umbra #1 key logged for RLP here:

theres still a decently big difference

[lusty tiger]

the guys also probably taking back hits while doing giant pulls- esp if scortchlings count lol

[sick sentinel]

6 more runs till valor freedom

[dusky canopy]

93% is the best?

Oh

That’s just the rank 1 log

So someone could have 100%

[odd tree]

piercing shards in AV can be side stepped, right?

[sharp steppe]

Where do I find that? Hovering over Melee Damage taken?

[urban portal]

the top one is damage taken

the bottom one is hits

you want to look at hits

[sharp steppe]

found it. Thanks 🙂

[urban portal]

damage taken is NOT a good metric

[dusky canopy]

Why is my count like almost half of his?

[urban portal]

theres nothing you can do to reduce the damage taken after block

[dusky canopy]

You said RLP right?

[urban portal]

yeah

27 rlp

or osmething

his mobs just takes longer to die

[dusky canopy]

Oh word

Duh

[oak echo]

no - only if you want to get your melee hit in addition to yourself

[sharp steppe]

Why does it look so different for me eventhough we have same SB uptime

[urban portal]

do NOT look at blocked damage

look at blocked hits

hover over hits

not damage

[sharp steppe]

Oh. Makes sense I guess. 1167 to 124

[odd tree]

gotcha, mobs need to be stunned then?

[sharp steppe]

So a bit worse

[oak echo]

TIL i'm an ape and have been reading my own logs wrong the whole time

[urban portal]

damage is a bad metric because its not up to you on how much damage a hit does

[oak echo]

yeah, stunned, feared, blind, etc.

[urban portal]

you can only make sure you block as many as possible

[oak echo]

yeah makes perfect sense. i think i didn't realize i had been looking at damage? i just saw "85%!" and was like "damn i suck"

[urban portal]

im gonna do this example again

lets say theres 2 hits

each does 100 damage

50% mitigation on block

you mitgiate 1 of those hits

youll have 25% damage blocked but 50% hits blocked

[mighty valley]

yeah it can sort of show you the impact of the hits you're not blocking but the thing in your control is just total number of blocked hits

[urban portal]

that requires much more digging yeah

[solemn current]

I already have a whetstone and storm eaters that I swap around depending on the week, but would ya'll think a 421 Icon would be better than a 415 Ruby for keys? Especially if no other person in the group has an icon?

[warm plinth]

Hovering over the bar instead of the hits column includes dodges/misses/parries into the percentage. Hovering over hits only factors in the hits you didn't avoid, so it's more accurate for determining your effective shield block.

[lusty tiger]

ye cant block a swing that never hit you

[lime urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/really-deep-thats-deep-nick-jonas-jumanji-jumanji-movie-gif-11210072

[mighty valley]

if you're good at using storm eater's it's possible that that + whetstone is just always the best play? can otherwise just sim it, although people say ruby oversims for some reason

[sick sentinel]

4 more runs to go to valor freedom, more if i want to do ring to 411, but we will see 402 crafted isn't too bad atm

[warm plinth]

It oversims because the sim assumes it always hits all targets, but in reality the effect is very narrow so you may not hit everything fairly regularly.

[mighty valley]

ah hah

never had to use one meself

[urban portal]

that+the pain of it

[warm plinth]

It is accurate for ST though since obviously it's easy to hit 1 mob with iit

[solemn current]

Honestly would rather not be bothered by double on use and was just hoping maybe someone has played with both the ruby and icon to have an actual opinion since I just looted it. Not sure if the crit and slight str increase is worth the AP gain and 2-3% damage.

I'd probably deal with it if I had a 421 boon but since it's 408 I just figure it's worth using over a whetstone when I can actually take advantage of it.

[warm plinth]

Icon is better when people DO have it, not when people don't

Without other people having it, it's literally just a vers stat stick

[sick sentinel]

is it possbile to create a macro for Master's Hammer

keep clicking it and it ties over and over to repair different slots

[strong forum]

boon is only pad, whetstone is more prio dmg

and whetstone cant kill you

[sick sentinel]

specced into bracers boots and shield, working on belts, 10/30

[strong forum]

boon does only 1k dps on bosses, but whetstone does 3-4k

[solemn current]

Yea but I look good doing it

[strong forum]

i guess

[sick sentinel]

where does crit haste (any priority) wrists come from

guess raid

[strong forum]

crafted

[solemn current]

Honestly I usually use storm eaters on fort week when trash matters more at any time where I'm not in any particular risk. Usually stick with whetstone on tyran regardless since since many bosses don't allow for standing still. I don't really feel like fort week trash damage is considered pad

[warm plinth]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XrGqU6hioDTzNohrmSQ0CsxV7ElWZ1aE/edit#gid=546435737&fvid=1248110152

[sick sentinel]

damn, that sucks lol, well, guess im the guy to make them then

[strong forum]

i did same

the only haste bracers from m+ are from shadowmoon with haste vers

and the raid ones i think dont have haste either

[solemn current]

Can always craft full haste eng bracers and call it done

[round pendant]

imo it doesn't actually matter if you block 85% vs 95% in a dungeon

as long as you're blocking the important shit

for example, skitterlings tank my blocked hits in sbg

and other mobs that don't really matter

[lusty tiger]

Kinda weird take but I guess

[solemn current]

If I'm not blocking hits that means either my back is turned or I'm doing 30% less damage on my best ability though

[lusty tiger]

How else are you gonna flex 95% blocked hits though

[sick sentinel]

i saw them drop with a socket at lvl 2 ilvl 376 ust now, i said fuck that though just for socket farm more valor

already might need to do ringht after this,

[strong forum]

415 with socket are better than 418 without socket ye

bracers specifically* doesnt apply to all slots

[lusty tiger]

Are bracers the lowest main stat having slot per ilvl?

[sick sentinel]

and cloak

[lusty tiger]

Cloak is good I think

I thought cloak > boots actually

[sick sentinel]

my 411 cloak only has 124 crit

[strong forum]

cloak and bracers are the lowest stat budget slots

[round pendant]

God I fucking hate sanguine

especially in cramped areas

[onyx needle]

like AV or SBG

[toxic pewter]

Think Vortex Pinnacle is going to be a hit, people will enjoy it. Gonna show Cata dungeons are ripe for m+ updates

[sick sentinel]

i cant stand AV personally as a key

cos i hate even worse

tyranical air dragon boss is going to FUCKING DLEETED your party

[toxic pewter]

Yah the one with the haste winds

The bosses in there are actually legit fun though

Final boss with the lightning triangle lmao

Gonna fry so many dudes

[blazing condor]

i have ptsd from vortex pinnacle

back in the day where you needed 2 ccs on the healers in the packs before last boss

idk i was a noob in cata but those HC dungs fucked

[toxic pewter]

Ya those packs dont mess around especially they’re in that invulnerability zone lol

[blazing condor]

yep

also i cant wait to wipe on last boss cus someone couldnt find the triangle

[toxic pewter]

Ya the triangle is gonna own so many people lmao

[blazing condor]

or have dps face the wrong way for the wind on 2nd boss

and lose hella dps

[toxic pewter]

The place is gonna be challenging

There are actual mechanics in there lmao

[strong forum]

1st boss is gonna be fun

[elder garden]

a cata dungeon tuned to M+ is scary

[blazing condor]

cata hcs were monka

cus besides raid that was the endgame

[strong forum]

theyre gonna have to rework so much

the stormcloud mobs

the assassins

first boss

[blazing condor]

idk which dungeon wouldve been better though

[sacred geyser]

kind of a niche question about mob behavior, but i can't find an answer anywhere. when you stun an uninterruptable ability like minion of doubt (dark claw) or spellbound battleaxe (severing slash) during the cast it resets the cooldown fully. does anyone know what stunning them when they are not casting does to the cooldown.

Example: TJS last pack if you were to instantly stun one of the minions of doubt for 1 second, would it cast dark claw 1 second later than the others or at the same time?

[elder garden]

well they did say 30 min timer so maybe itll be super ez

[strong forum]

Grim Batol

[toxic pewter]

I think vortex pinnacle sort of came from nowhere. Not many expected it imo

[strong forum]

Grim Batol is LITERALLY what current M+ dungeons are like

[blazing condor]

im just glad we dont get temple of tol'vir

or whatever it was called

[elder garden]

🙏

[blazing condor]

that last boss would fuck

[strong forum]

it was so hard back in the day cuz you needed CC

[toxic pewter]

Grim batol would of made more sense with the neltharian theme tbh

[strong forum]

and people werent used to using their full toolkits

[elder garden]

i was also hoping for KR instead of UR

[blazing condor]

[toxic pewter]

tol dagor anyone

[strong forum]

UR and FH are amazing picks

[blazing condor]

if you only stun one mob it should desync it

but idrk

[strong forum]

the only better dungeon woulda been WCM

[elder garden]

gotta be joking

[toxic pewter]

Waycrest is a great dungeon

[strong forum]

if you dont think WCM was a good dungeon you have a very twisted sense of enjoyment

[elder garden]

i love it

but trio boss scarred me

[blazing condor]

they shouldve done end time m+ that shit would have a 15 min timer

[strong forum]

trio boss needs to be bug fixed

but besides that was fine

[elder garden]

oh yeah big time

love the rest

[strong forum]

and now that we have spellblock, we can deal with left wing alot better

dont have to skip literally everything on that side

[sacred geyser]

alright ty. will try.

[blazing condor]

throne of the tides would be interesting as well

[elder garden]

oculus would go hard

[strong forum]

no

oculus, sure

but throne?

[blazing condor]

i liked throne

[strong forum]

that dungeon is beyond sleeper

[blazing condor]

first and 2nd boss are interesting

[toxic pewter]

Underrot actually is scary dungeon for me

[blazing condor]

all the bosses are interesting

except 3rd

nah fuck it all bosses are interesting in their mechanics

imo

[strong forum]

love the 5minutes of RP in that dung

[blazing condor]

kinda unique fight

[strong forum]

very fun

dungeon has 3 trash pulls

[blazing condor]

when all the murlocs swarm the corridor

[strong forum]

and like 5 bosses each with infinite RP