protection

[drifting lance]

complete oversight by me

swapped now

i have a question about spell block btw

what exactly does it work on? and in what dungeons would you actually run it

[round pendant]

I just got booted from a mythic eranog because apparently us dying on the chains is my fault

what the fuck is this game lmao

[strong forum]

only works on hits, not on dots

TJS, RLP, AV, SMBG are the best contenders for SpellBlock
some use it in HoV aswell for hyrja

[cinder storm]

Stay in def stance less, AA only has a few scary adds that can be interrupted, elemental one hits hard, dracthyr adds when they do their whirlwind but you don't tank that

[drifting lance]

yeah planning on changing that

[strong forum]

its borderline useless in NO, AA and HoV however

which one did i forget

🤔

CoS

ye dont play it in cos

[ionic fern]

PRetty chill in NO if you pug tbh

[cinder storm]

Hmm, I would say spellblock has equal use in smb than it does in NO

[round pendant]

cotank raging at me on eranog cause I didn't drag eranog out of the center at the start

as if it matters

[strong forum]

SMBG has a dangerous first boss

in NO its used for less than SMBG

cuz everything in NO can be interrupted/outranged which you can use it on

[drifting lance]

does warrior struggle on smbg first?

[strong forum]

"struggle"

[drifting lance]

yea ok

[strong forum]

you can get fucked by RNG just like every other tank

but we can reflect 1 deathspike everytime

[fresh igloo]

i find the shadow melee on that boss likes to come out after every eclipse, so i just plan a spell reflect there

[drifting lance]

it often comes after the add dies

[strong forum]

i just see the buff

and press reflect

no thought

i dont time shit on that boss

[cinder storm]

same

[drifting lance]

ya

dk's do the same except they just ams

[strong forum]

the worst part is

is when you pop SW, and then you just parry all deathspikes

same with voidslash

[drifting lance]

parry gaming

love parry

[strong forum]

parry good

[strong forum]

i guess

[drifting lance]

parry good

[round pendant]

I feel like these pug tanks in raids can't adapt to anything

[round pendant]

The moment one things go bad, they splat

or they start tilting and blame me even tho they literally griefed me

Pugging is depression

[strong forum]

its insane how much you gotta play around inept raid tanks

[round pendant]

Dude said to me "don't get on my nerves with your attitude" cause I said it doesn't matter if the first fucking adds spawn in the middle

[cinder storm]

When you literally have to afk because you grab aggro just by doing your rotation

[round pendant]

Literally do not understand how moving eranog to the side at the start does anything but make it harder for everyone to pump

[drifting lance]

if ur wiping on eranog

its a dps problem

[strong forum]

pug strats are wild

had that too where they just kited it all around the edge instead of just outward from the middle

[round pendant]

Yeah we died on the chains every time cause of a lack of dps and yet I got booted cause the other tank went to a different add on the chain lmao

[strong forum]

idiot proof

[round pendant]

the one that was behind fire

[strong forum]

atleast you didnt lock yourself to idiot ID

your win

[round pendant]

Yeah thank fucking god

[strong forum]

if they fail on eragon theyre not gonna manage council

[round pendant]

Yeah it's a blessing in disguise lmao

[drifting lance]

when do you guys press last stand

i often find myself underusing it

[strong forum]

kinda like on CD

[drifting lance]

mostly as a heal i assume?

[strong forum]

its comparable to a 30% DR

[drifting lance]

after a big hit or something

[strong forum]

so you can just pop it on boss mechanics

[drifting lance]

ah

[strong forum]

when SW is down

or just in large pulls

for the sake of it

[drifting lance]

yea makes sense

[strong forum]

better to use it than not use it

[drifting lance]

havent tanked high enough keys to really feel in danger on this guy yet

so that button has gone underused

[warm plinth]

We were talking about spell block

[strong forum]

its easy to underuse it

cuz it doesnt do much

same as BDKs love to not use IBF

[drifting lance]

and lichborne

and ams

[strong forum]

🙂

[drifting lance]

they sure love rune tap though

that button is great

totall

[strong forum]

and not press that either

[drifting lance]

i've seen near 2CPM rune taps

in logged high keys

literally absurd

[strong forum]

but gotta make sure to not generate RP with heartstrike either

[drifting lance]

that talent they're dropping for rune tap is like 15% of total RP generated across a key

[strong forum]

yeah its wild

from a pwar pov, dropping resource generation is literal blasphemy

worst sin you can commit

[slim dove]

Just press deathstrike 4head

[drifting lance]

i dont even know if there's a comparison for warriors

[slim dove]

Why worry about anything else when you can heal yourself for 500k in one global

[drifting lance]

in how bad of a decision that is

[strong forum]

bloodsurge vs idk

[drifting lance]

there isn't a button like RT for u guys

yeah

but there's no button that's just pure placebo

[strong forum]

thunderlord

[drifting lance]

that actively harms you whenever you press it

[strong forum]

is pretty placebo

[sharp steppe]

Doesnt Thunderlord Even cuck your dps?

[strong forum]

cuz it actively desyncs CDs, thus a detriment to your DPS output

very weak on bosses

[round pendant]

do I HOLD ravager and tr for adds on eranog

[strong forum]

and if you dont use demo on CD, you actively waste CDR from the talent making it worse

[strong forum]

for parsing, yes

and play 1min roar

[slim dove]

I don't, dps merc them instantly anyways.

[strong forum]

lines up with almost all adds

[drifting lance]

for the ppl who dont know what rune tap does to ur resource generation

[round pendant]

naw my groups never kill them fast

[drifting lance]

imagine dropping bloodsurge

for a button that costs 10-15 rage for a 20% dr for 4s

[slim dove]

Then yeah hold and play 1min roar like nom say

[drifting lance]

that's rune tap

[strong forum]

fucking sick button

[round pendant]

Should I replace 2 points in bloodborne for Tough as Nails + Instigate?

Wonder if the 20% extra is less or more overall

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[drifting lance]

what's the point you would drop for intervene in hov

if intervene is even worth running

[strong forum]

pain and gain or intim shout

[drifting lance]

pain and gain can suck it then

😎

[strong forum]

uuuh for parsing bloodborne is better cuz of add pad

but

lemme see what i ran

oh, i ran what you ran

[round pendant]

neat

[strong forum]

and on council you drop punish for bloodsurge and change SD to SoF

altho i think if youre gonna tank 2-3 bosses on council perma, youre better to go 1 BB and tough as nails

that should be more pad

[round pendant]

POGGERS

[tropic gorge]

how do i check my apm in logs?

[round pendant]

Casts

[tropic gorge]

or cpm?

[round pendant]

casts tab

[tropic gorge]

56.9

woah low

holy shit

[round pendant]

looking at logs is a humbling experience

[tropic gorge]

does more haste help have more cpm?

[strong forum]

yes, but 56 is not a haste problem

[tropic gorge]

any suggestions for steps to take to increase?

[strong forum]

press button in better order

nothing else i can say

its all just press button gud

[round pendant]

only got a 95 parse on eggnog

I did die near the end tho

[strong forum]

SS > TC > Revenge
treat revenge as SS reset tool
press IP to prevent rage capping

press offensive CDs on CD

use outburst on SS

keep up SB

thats the mega ultra crashcourse

[round pendant]

oh I parsed like shit on council cause I forgot to change my talents

nooooo

I wonder if Barbaric Training might be good on adds on brood

I know that's like a sin but yeah

[strong forum]

adds on brood is only about prio dmg

the small adds (atleast on heroic) die instantly

and then youre left with 1 or 2 chunkier mobs

[round pendant]

That's true

There's really not that many mobs

would be a more fun fight if there was

Man, I have to tell cotanks "be careful about me stealing your aggro at the start"

and I feel like I'm coming across as arrogant or something

[drifting lance]

man

dropping BT made a massive difference

cant believe i played with that thing without realizing

[warm plinth]

[drifting lance]

was using it on accident man

[warm plinth]

I blame wowhead

[drifting lance]

and not familiar with pwarr enough to know the difference

it feels so different tanking tjs on a warrior vs a dk

the struggle points are just different

[round pendant]

yep

[drifting lance]

the trash is so much easier on a warrior

but 3rd boss actually gets pretty rough

[strong forum]

thats a general theme on pwar vs bdk

bdk better on boss, pwar better on trash

[cloud umbra]

if you are in discord with the healer and you have enough to cover each hits.. esp this week on fort.. that boss is no problem at all

[round pendant]

yeah it's a non issue on fort weeks if you just do the bare minimum CD rotation

omg

I was literally

29 dps from a 99 parse on brood

lmao

[plush tendon]

My Spell Reflect damage in a NO 23

good button

[tropic gorge]

seeing reflect! is very satisfying

[plush tendon]

doing like 60k on the stormboss feels really good

[cloud umbra]

and even more on the last boss!

conductive strike reflect slaps

[balmy canyon]

I really want to get two warriors in NO and find out how much damage the followup ability does when the boss already has the conductive debuff but I have found anyone willing to try

[drifting lance]

you mean last boss?

[cloud umbra]

ya

[drifting lance]

it's a debuff on the player

so it wouldn't do any more damage than it already does

[cloud umbra]

the boss gets the debuff

[drifting lance]

you would just have reflect on every strike with 2 warriors, rather than only most of them

[cloud umbra]

when you reflect it

[drifting lance]

oh doesi t

did not know

[cloud umbra]

you can get them all if you game it

if you hit reflect 3 seconds before he casts it

on the very first one, then it lines up

[drifting lance]

[rain light]

1st try today

thank fuck

[drifting lance]

huge

hov is now my highest timed key on my warrior

[rain light]

after those 3 failed runs in a row yesterday i really needed that

[cinder storm]

A friend asked me yesterday to tank his cos 23, after a long day on the road and a couple of days not in keys, I depleted the key miserably , I've timed a bunch of 21-23 cos

Sometimes it's us sometimes it's them

But most of the time is them

[wise crystal]

Hi all, is Unstable Frostfire Belt still better for prot even if we dont have the ring from raid (Seal of Filial Duty)?

[warm plinth]

It's basically the same as any other embellishment

[sick sentinel]

no hands

[rain light]

well almost timed a 20 rlp first try if feral didnt get hit by 1st boss breath

[round pendant]

Sanguine rlp is so annoying

People don't kick the casters

They heal to full

[sick sentinel]

i did the key i just showed with all 411's and 4set piece and 405 lariat, companion bracers, i also have dmg fire ring and FF belt

[oak echo]

My personal hell is everything in the AV rings

Every mf has an unkickable cast that I swear they hold until something around it dies

[round pendant]

Sanguine is trash

[sick sentinel]

i stil disagree slightly

sanguie is feels good for good players and feels bad for bad players

[slim dove]

It's sanguine week, invite 1-2 people with knockbacks, affix nullified.

[valid heart]

Hey guys. So 10.0.7 is soon here and i was wondering if there has been any sims/theory crafting for which primordial Stones we should use. Any idea how big dps gain we can expect?

[sick sentinel]

just play well and LOS shit around corners/down stairs

[slim dove]

All of them iirc are actually worse then the secondary stats provided by current rings.

Someone may correct me, but this is what I recall reading on the spriest discord.

[slim dove]

Can't really do that in AV on the rings or nok at all.

[round pendant]

No one ever fucking does it

The amount of times I type in /say to tell people to interrupt something

is a joke

It feels like when I recruit people, ask them if they can do X/Y/Z etc before the dungeon starts

They say "yeah sure np" etc but in reality it's just gone in through one ear and out the other

[sick sentinel]

gunna keep running sbg 16 for greater infusions probably and until my gloves drop at a decent ilvl or i hit 4k valor

whichever comes first, the 4k is 379-411 gloves

[cinder storm]

Yogi first 20 when?

[sick sentinel]

yogi after +20 cuz heart attack

[undone verge]

What coulda been

[round pendant]

where at?

[drifting lance]

spell block in nokhud?

yes no

[undone verge]

M eggnog

was at 80k then I died right b4 the final add pad

[round pendant]

Teach me your ways

I can't parse for shit on that fight, got a 95

I think it's just a gamble on whether or not the group kills the adds too fast 🤔

[sick sentinel]

that's 2 16's ive timed tho today sbg or not, everything lower than a 14 i like insta 3 chest, should really work on push

[undone verge]

you gotta walk into the fire to pad b4 they die

[round pendant]

that fuckin hurts

[undone verge]

high risk high reward

[round pendant]

Yeeeeah I guess

[undone verge]

the boss I cant parse for shit on is terros

nvm

[drifting lance]

https://i.imgur.com/CB93SKi.png

we love SR

[sick sentinel]

i olny did 1.10 m dmg spelel reflect in the 16 i just ran

[drifting lance]

this was a 24 No

[undone verge]

what tank would be best for brood? Pwar or Guardian

like boss tank vs adds

[mortal brook]

put the bear on adds

pwar will handle boss stuff better

but like, whoever is more comfy doing whichever role, tbh

[violet flume]

sigh seems like im trying to surpass dalunk's plight, 4 runs of azure vault barely failed in a row

run seemed perfect too only 2 deaths during first trash pull and we wipe on umbrelskul once and it wipes our key

[mighty valley]

it's not the hardest dungeon but it's the most unforgiving timer

[undone verge]

dathea is ass v2

[undone verge]

holy shit were repping the 1 platform strat on mythic dathea

[shell mortar]

Nah, just gotta have a good route. Timed a decent AV with a full wipe on 2nd boss

Froggos are good count

And circles are bad

[mighty valley]

sure, there are better routes, but compared to most of the other hold W dungeons it's still the tightest dungeon lol

[shell mortar]

AA and TJS a lot tighter on timer, at least on higher keys

The issue with AV is that it's not easy to just chain pull the packs if you're not used to it or have a wonky route. A lot of groups lose a lot of time due to idling about or running around for packs

Once you get used to the dungeon and have a good route, always being in combat becomes a lot easier and saves ridiculous time

[hallow phoenix]

I try to do the crystal fury packs but oh man does it get spicy in pugs

[minor forge]

Me in a cos 19 where I just wanted to go straight without no shenanigans and people trying to coerce me into other type of pulls idling around and typing, result was deplete with 20 secs

[shell mortar]

Yeah, in most scenarios the simpler solution/route is the best one

[minor forge]

As long as you dont wipe or half wipe and drag a group/boss to oblivion, simple solutions should be enough for until 20
Assuming very very little idle/downtime and semiagressive pulls not just one mob at a time

[shell mortar]

Simple solutions are enough for 24s and up as well

Just pull bigger

[tame jasper]

yeah. yesterday 22AV hell of a time waste due simple things like dds/healer were not los when i told/mark them or not able to dont do damage on last 2 dracs to skip them. today easy almost 4mins left when final boss died

[tame jasper]

yes, just be aware of sanguine and dracs (in fortified I usally dont pull 2 dracs due to their aoe)

but in general you have one drac and tons of "we dont do anything"-mobs you just cleave

[ripe peak]

does anyone have a log for m razageth that I can use as a orientation to prepare?
I only ever find different things that confuse me.. thanks in advance

[sick sentinel]

does the worm boss do ANYTHIING at all sbg

fought him twice on 16's, both times timed the key and tht boss in particular was just like a total joke

dmg from the eclipse shit that i very clearly failed first boss didnt really hit for that much either it seemed like, matybe 50% hp

[rain light]

No not really

[sick sentinel]

only time i ever died that i can think of was either fort spider breathes and i touched the bone wall once

he needs to have his mechanics or speed or something redone if hes ever going to come back to mythic + the snake/worm

i think the group was even saying to me that when the 2 little adds pop up, im still supposed to just stick on the boss

[rain light]

Yup

[sick sentinel]

thats really, truely, honestly the most underwhelming boss in dungeons in wow i feel

zero threat on TW, zero threat on a 16, assuming not a threat even at 20

probably only even remotely scary at 23/24

[dusky mica]

the worms melee hits have basically no animation, on tyrannical two hits back to back due to wonky spell queuing is dangerous and can't be predicted.

[sick sentinel]

@ripe peak FOLKS!!!

the only rudy i know of haha

[idle quartz]

Hey guys! I had an experience in a mythic+ dungeon where our healer complained I was going ‘too slow’… I normally do single pulls when running pugs just to minimize the chance of accidents. Am I doing something wrong? I’m not looking for validation, I just want to make sure I’m providing my group with the best experience I can. The guy was a jerk, but maybe he has a point. Thanks in advance 😁

I could probably push 2 pulls in most dungeons, but I’m trying to take it easy on my guys.

[sick sentinel]

he means pulling to small when the group has cooldowns ready to kill things

and pulling small on easy groups

[karmic plinth]

i think it depends quite strongly too on if you're having lots of downtime between packs

[idle quartz]

How would I be able to know when the group has CDs? Is there actually something I can do for that? But yes, when pulling easy groups, you may have a point.

[idle quartz]

No downtime, I’m always positioned to pull the next group immediately / right before the old group dies

[karmic plinth]

theres addons that can track cds like omni cd

[sick sentinel]

for example after wise mari in TJS on way to second boss first hallway with adds there is 2 groups of 1 adds, and 1 group of 2 adds, and its almos rude to pull only 3 or only just the first add there

cuz everyone was out of combat for a long time, everything was cooling down

[karmic plinth]

you can always try to group some safer pulls as a chance to improve as a player yourself

[sick sentinel]

i personally use Ability Team Tracker showing my groups CD's i don't really pay attention to that shit and hold W, gets me in tons of trouble with "tank doesn't wait for my mana!"-healer

its only a pain because All The Things, Abillity Team Tracker ATT vs att.... ffs

[karmic plinth]

but dont gimp yourself to appease a pug you'll never play with again

[sick sentinel]

always say hello when invited, but not much else when joning a key, keep real chat/jokes to a minimum, always say GG, thx after a completed key, this is the rules for pugging

[idle quartz]

Of course not. But I do genuinely hate to ruin someone’s experience. I came from classic so I’m still unlearning a lot of that

[sick sentinel]

i don't say good luck any more start of a key

incase the key bricks

[idle quartz]

Thanks for your help guys!

[ripe peak]

👋 jogi

[deep spruce]

Most people skip those first 3 mobs after first boss, as they absolutely truck with the dot they apply, so pulling 4 is pretty brave if you're killing them

[sick sentinel]

just gotta kick the 2 sha's really

[deep spruce]

Well yes, and stun their tank buster, and hope the dots go on good targets

Maybe on a 15/16 it's not an issue

[timber terrace]

The only moment you should pay attention to your team cds is when you can pull something else to make a big pull on the fly like in nokhud 3rd area, for more scripted keys most people use the same route and the dps should play around what's gonna be pulled not the reversal

[tropic gorge]

goddamn it for the last day ive been trying to improve cpm. ive made to to use outburst on ss, using ip to rage dump, keeping block up, and pushing buttons and trying to be smart about cd usage

but i cant get into 60 cpm the last 4 runs ive done

[timber terrace]

Anyways at the key levels you're playing a lot of people just save their 2 minutes cds for 5 minutes and have no idea what a defensive is so even less reason to play around them

[tropic gorge]

i am getting annoyed

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ftpQmYgJVjLC1a7T/#fight=last&type=casts

[timber terrace]

M+ logs count the time you're doing nothing or walking as active

[tropic gorge]

i didnt realize that. but other dudes are getting 70+ and i'm nowhere near that

im thinking i have a fundamental, core problem i'm doing wrong

[pallid quiver]

If you give me like, 10-ish minutes, I can look into it

[tropic gorge]

take yer time i'm gonna do sbg17 ill tab over and look

[pallid quiver]

At a quick glance, your SS casts seem low, and you're not wasting too much rage, so I'm wagering you're missing pressing SS on CD

er, specifically, missing SS resets

[tropic gorge]

i did realize that i used tc during ss reset procs

thats one thing ive been working to do better. be less button mashy to get the resets every time

[pallid quiver]

You're also not pressing your CDs on cooldown; on top of that, you pressed Demo more than Shield Charge. I haven't checked talents yet, but that should only ever happen if you have Thunderlord

[tropic gorge]

i dont

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, they have the same CD, so their uses should generally be the exact same unless you vitally need Demo Shout for something

in which case you would potentially end up with less demo casts than ravager

[tropic gorge]

ill try to use them more

lets see how this goes

thanks for the tips

tbh its kinda embarassing to not be using all cd's

and i didnt even realize it. so thanks again

lets see if i can make some impreovements this run

at least i'm not over capping and wasting rage a lot. so there's that

[pallid quiver]

Well, you're not generating enough to waste

[tropic gorge]

as for talents i'm using the m+ build in the pins

no thunderlord

[pallid quiver]

okay, call's done, so I can hit the rest of more in-depth stuff

Yeah, the pinned M+ build's super solid and carries everything you need

[potent harbor]

guys in academy when u do big pull around tree, is it my fault that ppl overaggro me before all mobs come middle? i can say it before dungeon, let me make big pull mid, yet half lashers are red before they come mid and im jsut leaping/charging around like idiot

if it was in low keys well whatever but 22/23 ppl still dont know or its rly me? im starting be confused

like i stay mid, heroic throwing, it doesnt even come mdidle all and stack, like never, is it because ppl braindeadly dmg it before it stack up?

[bold olive]

I put a marker down on the stairs and stay mounted until I pull the far side packs, then tell the group to meet me about 75% of the way back to the stairs.

[potent harbor]

oh so u aggro it all in mount hmm

do u pull it even with first 3 flies or u do the separately?

[bold olive]

You can let the first flies pass so that you can stay mounted, pull the other side and run back through

[pallid quiver]

It's hard for me to tell without really digging into the log, but you pretty much always want to send Outburst on SS. The reason I say it this way is that Academy is one of the few dungeons where the target counts in a pull can actually pass the point where it's better damage wise to send Outburst on TC over SS, which is at like 8 or 9 mobs or something silly high, so I'd have to see where you're spending outbursts instead of just what you're sending them on. That's also a major change in your rage economy influx

There's a few other things I noted, but I think those that I've mentioned are the main go to's. Also, while not wasting a ton of rage even now, that number can still drop, so remember to slap IP to avoid overcapping more

[sick sentinel]

i wont say i like it more, but wow up works better than curseforge for me for addons

[hazy sluice]

What is your overall DPS in 22-24 keys like ? I don't know why but i feel like my overall damage gets worse the more I am focusing on surviving

Have keys ranging from 45-60k only

Did that 7 ilvls ago allready

[quiet monolith]

If your pulling 45-60 you are pumping

[strong forum]

60-70k

[opaque oak]

45-60 in AA? Is that pumping?

[strong forum]

Who said anything about AA

He asked in "keys"

[opaque oak]

Ye but i asked if that involves AA

[strong forum]

AA is 85+

[hazy sluice]

No but i am not around 85 in aa

Maybe in a lower key where I sit way more in bstance

Gotta improve somehow I guess

[strong forum]

AA overall gets higher the higher the key is

Cuz of tree boss

[hazy sluice]

Tree boss melts this week for us

[strong forum]

Then key is too low

In ultra keys dps will focus on tree dps, not pad on adds

So your dmg will increase significantly

Cuz of rend and deepwounds

[opaque oak]

Should rend be top dmg in AA?

[strong forum]

No

Rend should never be top dps

[hazy sluice]

Shield slam is mostly my top DPS x)

[strong forum]

It should firmly sit at 3rd place

[hazy sluice]

Yeah big AOE dungeons it is there

[opaque oak]

Ive had rend top dmg in AA

[strong forum]

Then you didn't press enough buttons

[opaque oak]

22 AA did 85k

[strong forum]

If rend is that high, it means you didn't play well

[opaque oak]

Ok 🙂

[strong forum]

Or you're playing 2BB

Which is

[opaque oak]

2BB?

[strong forum]

2 points in Bloodborne

[opaque oak]

Na

[rain light]

should be 0

[timber wasp]

Hey guys is there a list somewhere for all the %s needed in m+?

Like Nokhud 94%

HOV 90% (if taking the last two) 92% (if not)

[vivid mirage]

MDT?

Just write it down in MDT if you can't remember it.

[timber wasp]

Whats MDT?

[vivid mirage]

Mythic Dungeon Tools.

[timber wasp]

Ah thanks

Ill get that

[sick sentinel]

protesting running 4k valor worth of m+

[grim pilot]

is there any SBG timer that shows when will void spawn rotate between left and right? I went left bc it was empty and literally 2sec before engaging it spawned back

[sick sentinel]

4k is total and worst case scenario, have 600 valor on me

could possibly do a ring in bags same idea soon ill be done farming valor for sure

[grave flower]

I can’t be bothered to farm valor. Capped on all pieces I need.

[sick sentinel]

i could do gloves ring, and double 2 hand weapons

but that shit is 1k a tap for 3 ilvl.....

[glacial summit]

Ok so dumb question here I have just started tanking on a warrior in keys been using defensive stance felt sluggish and hard to keep agro in packs with big dps just ran a 14 with battle stance felt a hell of a lot better both offensively and defensively so I though I should ask what stance should I use

[sick sentinel]

don't use defensive stance

[grim pilot]

rotate stances

[sick sentinel]

you will slow your group down if you leave it on

[grim pilot]

if you feel like you can take the damage go battle

if the pack is hard to tank for you, use def

[glacial summit]

I felt less squishy in battle stance

[sick sentinel]

if your new to tanking, you never need to take it out of defensive stance until you run about a 15 16 + probably more like 20 key

[glacial summit]

Coming from a monk tank

[grim pilot]

I'm 90% of the time in battle stance, I only change it for more challenging bosses (crawth) or when I know I'll be taking big damage

[glacial summit]

I tank 20s on my monk but way different to warrior tank

[sick sentinel]

monk is kinda similiar to warrior tank, not really

[glacial summit]

I’m only just hitting 400 ilvl so a ways to go

[sick sentinel]

your doing keys?

[glacial summit]

Yeah

Always

[sick sentinel]

okay, and whats ur ilvl

[glacial summit]

397

[sick sentinel]

you should be able to run a +10 to +15 no problem

[glacial summit]

Yeah

That’s not the issue

It’s when I run with my wife who is a 417 ret pally that just tears agro lol

But was more curious about the stances tbh

[sick sentinel]

that's, ... that's fine, jus have to use taunt and big taunt early on trash pulls

to hold against dps burst while u start rotation

[glacial summit]

Yeah aoe taunt is awesome

[sick sentinel]

417 ret pally will have giga threat spikes vs u

[glacial summit]

Monk handles it better

The threat

But monk is also similar ilvl

[sick sentinel]

threat gets way better once you get a decent weapon and shield and just push buttons

[glacial summit]

Any ty for info battle stance

[sick sentinel]

it becomes non issue with a good weapon/shield (and play)

[glacial summit]

Thanks 392 crafted atm

He only hit 70 last Friday and don’t play a ton

[sick sentinel]

like, you can use defensive stance temporarily for the blast that hyrja smakcs you with between phases

cuz that deals a giant lump sum of dmg

[glacial summit]

Yeah

Did temple 15 earlier

Was so scared of 3rd boss

But just pumped ip

I out healed the healer

For that boss

[lucid pasture]

@strong forum can oyu come heal a +20 sbg with tha skyhold bois

🙏

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-bored-tired-sleepy-nah-gif-18336357

[lucid pasture]

but you are trolling tho

https://tenor.com/view/dog-stare-zoom-gif-23970280

[strong forum]

frfr no cap

[lucid pasture]

say ong 1 time

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-marvel-chris-evans-steve-rogers-old-man-gif-14744550

[lucid pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/perdemo-gif-26062590

[jagged pier]

[weak snow]

is there a working/existing macro for shield charge + charge in one button that doesnt use a stack of charge too when shield charge is up and being used?^^

[strong forum]

not that i know

its not recommended to macro them together

as they 2 serve entirely different purposes

[tropic gorge]

is signet from COS (+auto attack dmg) a trap?

has a grip of haste on it

[jagged pier]

Why would it be a trap its bis ring

[tropic gorge]

tyty

i wasn't sure, thought id ask

damn that ring + hate enchant pushed me to 24%

[weak snow]

why hate enchant? make love enchants!

[dawn canyon]

xD moment

[tropic gorge]

lmao

[minor forge]

Like 24% haste puts sb at 12 s recharge

[drifting lance]

does spell block work on void slash

[deep spruce]

yes

[feral basin]

what crafted piece is best to get to 418 first?

[round pendant]

shield > weapon > lariat > belt > rest

[tardy lily]

good day, quick question for progress raiding: i am thinking of moving 1 point from ravager to battle-scarred veteran? or battering ram? is that valid? or is battle-scarred veteran bugged still? (i think i read it somewhen months ago, early DF)

[round pendant]

Never give up ravager

BSV is bad

Battering Ram is good

[jagged pier]

U should have both rav and battering ram for raid

Otherwise u are giga inting

[tardy lily]

okay, then no BSV

thanks for qthe quick answer :)

[vale ravine]

upgrade crafted weapon or crafted shield first which has better priority

[strong forum]

defensively shield, offensively weapon

[gloomy seal]

BSV is defo big butt ass.

[lime urchin]

God this will make me a boomer, but what do people mean with the word inting as Nome did above?

[stark silo]

Intentionally feeding = dying on purpose

[slim dove]

Playing badly on purpose essentially.

[forest coral]

is it 34% haste to be able to run ITF over HR in M+?

[strong forum]

i mean you can always run ITF

but its more risky to play

for little gain

but around feelycrafted 35% unbuffed haste is when ITF gets really close to full SB uptime

[sick sentinel]

i had 33% haste with or without haste food buff (thats my second/third priority food buff)

tried ITF for a few keys, sometimes im getting the 90%+ block with it, some times not, so, ill still to HR til i have 35% haste

[forest coral]

ok thanks nom and yogi

i'm at 33% and i've been running HR because it makes it easy mode for uptime but I wanted to start squeezing out damage

[high basalt]

Guys what’s itf and hr please? Ty

[viral elk]

How do they skip? Rogue?

[viral elk]

Into the Fray, and Heavy Repercussions

[slim dove]

Invis pot or shroud.

Pandas on high fort weeks is big troll, always skip

[viral elk]

Bet, ty

[slim dove]

It's basically a guaranteed death + they give same % as the double pack north of 3rd boss but have 3x the hp.

[hollow vortex]

thanks for asking so I didn't have to 😉

[sick sentinel]

into fray up to 10% haste based on nearby allies, heavy reprecusion SS extends your active Shield Block by + 1.0 seconds

you can locate those 2 talents here

[minor forge]

Can you spell block death claw in tjs and skely slash in sbg, right?

[slim dove]

Yes

You can also reflect dark claws in TJS. But not void slashes in sbg.

[green prawn]

hey guys quick question, were currently progressing diurna and i tend to die on the 4th or 5th solosoak. i dont know if its me not playing correctly with cds and externals or if i should call for people to help soak. how are u guys doing it?

[minor forge]

Good to know
But if spell block can enable their blocking then it means I can basically facetank them for the duration, i usually just step back like a little girl and scream but it gets punishing for dps

[oak echo]

if your dps know not to do ST stuns at the beginning, you can shockwave the last pack at the beginning to sync up dark claws, reflect all 3, then spell block once any of them start casting again

[strong forum]

iirc pwar cant solo soak all of them, thats just reality

[minor forge]

Very good tip

[bold vigil]

Quick question, can you spell block raszageth's breath in final phase as tank?

[shut summit]

yes

[sick sentinel]

also, im not sure why, but if i select hone reflexes, i only gain 0.7 seconds from 6.1 to 5.4s cd on SS

thats with passive 47% haste from 5 ITF and haste cheese gear

[warm cipher]

prioritise 4set over anything?

[sick sentinel]

i'd say its something at top of shopping list, but not the reason you went to go to the store in first place

its a really good idea pick it up soon as you can, just, don't stress if you cant get it

[warm cipher]

i got 395 head that i can replace for 415 but then i don't get 4set

[limber flame]

trying to pug high AV keys has been the most pain ive ever felt

[rain light]

did almost 100 runs for the shield from there

[sick sentinel]

ya nom, i can't explain it in words, but some how wowup is a bit better than CF

[limber flame]

just trying to get pugs to do a stop rotation has been just pain

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiA1arK9BOc "the world is ending.. and i feel.... nothing." me when wiping to +15 AV or some equally shitty key

[nimble laurel]

Can Dark Claws be outranged?

[median tulip]

Yes. 8yd range

[nimble laurel]

About the same as the bird's peck in TJS?

[sick sentinel]

yes 8 yard on that as well, i looked up the spell on wowhead

[rain light]

bro

[cinder storm]

no, that one is shorter

[worldly parrot]

Which path do you guys tale for the 9th and 10th rows in the warrior side if the tree for a all around build?

I was thinking avatar and somthing else?

[cinder storm]

The players on 23s+ and under 22s+ are light night and day, so you still have +2 key levels of that

[cinder storm]

Take Nome's build, its foolproof

[worldly parrot]

Where can i find that?

[cinder storm]

In the pins

[worldly parrot]

Ok tu

Ty

[heady sapphire]

which stats on crafted items? crit/haste?

[thin silo]

Haste/crit or haste/vers, to taste

[warm cipher]

4 set or 20ilvl increase on headpiece?

head piece has socket 🙂

and will be transformed next week

[strong forum]

youve used up all your catalyst charges?

how

we got like 7 charges already

[warm cipher]

i only have 2

[strong forum]

how

[warm cipher]

one from previous week

[sick sentinel]

ive used alot on my transmog heroic set

[warm cipher]

one from this

[sick sentinel]

i have all heroic set except for cape

[strong forum]

did you only hit 70 on your first character last week?

havent played before that?

[warm cipher]

nah i started again playing last week

[sharp steppe]

They only stack until 6 Nome. They changed it cause they didn’t want us to have 65 charges at some point again

[strong forum]

yes

but most people used atleast 1 charge

minimum

[sharp steppe]

Oh, yeah. That’s what u meant

[warm cipher]

i got 1 and used one previous week

just got new one now

so yea

[strong forum]

then still pick helmet

[sick sentinel]

1 charge every 2 weeks with RNG spark like chance to recieve a catalyst orb i would be fore

after you use ur 6

[strong forum]

you dont skip out on actual upgrades just because of setbonus

[warm cipher]

should i wait for helm and get 4set now or get 4 next week?

[strong forum]

get the +20ilvl helmet +socket now

and 4pc next week

[warm cipher]

idk how big it is for prot

oke

[strong forum]

surely

[sick sentinel]

i feel like 6 is too small of a number if its a hard cap, 12 would be nicer

[strong forum]

you wont do godlevel keys

[warm cipher]

wil transform the head to tier now then

[strong forum]

in the next 2/3 days

[sick sentinel]

allows for mistakes and transmog, or like i said, it rechages

[strong forum]

yes

the fact that its capped to begin with is unnecessary

serves no purpose

[sick sentinel]

yes but no, make it something that makes sense

there is always cost to things, mainly time

[toxic pewter]

Wait does the catalyst not have a catch-up mechanic? Like can you get all 6 in one day if you just came back or somethin

[heady sapphire]

I dont think so

[strong forum]

same way as the upgrade items from m+ dont have catchup

buddy is farming 50 16+ keys this week cuz hes supposed to tank 8/8M tomorrow on fresh toon

[sick sentinel]

the new item upgrade thing is, i'll have to see it first lol

[toxic pewter]

Dang

[strong forum]

in 10.1 the thingy ive been told is basically a combination of 10.0 crafting system and conquest

you still get it passively just by playing

but i didnt waste brainpower on it yet cuz no point

[left turret]

can you link me spell reflect wa?

[strong forum]

i dont use any so no idea what people use besides the one linked in pins

wait thats removed

its in #268491842637660160

[sick sentinel]

i mean, i dunno, but i think you have power to pin that shit

[thick finch]

https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg

this one?

[toxic pewter]

I think the new upgrading system seems cool from what I’ve read so far

[sick sentinel]

sounds confusing, i will wait till it drops

[round pendant]

It's not confusing

[sick sentinel]

confusing as in alot of words

that i probably can not did not read

[toxic pewter]

I will say I think items from end of dungeon before +17 cannot be upgraded to max ilvl as far as I know unless I misread

So like if you get an item from a +13 it can’t be upgraded all the way

[rain light]

yeah im just doing 20s, might push higher than that next season

one left

[languid light]

is there a trick to get the Piercing Shard casts from the Crystal Furies in AV to line up? In the whelp pulls I get destroyed because they are staggered and we were running out of stops or into stun immune way too soon

[sharp steppe]

They will never line up cause they are coded in a way that always only 1 will cast at a time

[slim dove]

Spell block works and worth taking on higher keys (imo)

[languid light]

oh, that's interesting, thanks

any suggestions on how to deal with those packs as a group?

[sharp steppe]

You can also stop the first 4 Frontals all on your own. SC first, Stormbolt 2nd, Shockwave 3rd, Fear 4th and then other people need to do stops

[hallow phoenix]

Engi belt knock back the 5th 😩

[sick sentinel]

chat gpt is the best thing ever (open in new browser to read probably)

[thick finch]

truly an amazing piece of fiction

[sick sentinel]

"the rogue kept getting hit by traps and taking too much damage."

[toxic pewter]

Can make a move script about prot warr too lol

[sick sentinel]

whats worrrying is i could see someone saying exactly this and iut sounds believable

[toxic pewter]

“But then, things started to go wrong.” LOL

Chatgpt accurate as hell

[uncut thunder]

So I need to spec into DPS to get the Whetstone?

[rough egret]

Yep

[uncut thunder]

Thanks and SOB. Wondering why it didn’t drop.

[cinder storm]

Made me tear up

[sick sentinel]

every part is on point except for "the hunter was running out of arrows"

[fresh igloo]

i like how it makes sure to specify all the classes

except "healer"

[sick sentinel]

potentially a no brez group

i have solved the mystery, our hero, Thorgar, did not invite a class with battle rez, wait no, he joined into a group that was wanting to run it, so someone didnt check for brez

[grim pilot]

What are the thoughts on spiteful storm in m+? Currently i'm running icon/totem or icon/boon, depending on the dungeon.

[minor forge]

If I dont have totem and whetstone, what would be better to open the vault? Arms or prot(have 418 wep/shield)
Totem would be hc level, whetstone 418

[blazing condor]

Probably prot if youre going for totem

Easier to farm whetstone + chance of higher ilvl weps/shield

[minor forge]

I'll bank my chances on prot then
I really want that all totem trinket

[sick sentinel]

gettin there i suppose

too bad have to delete those 405 ones

Anyone progged Raz on Blue Side any tips for I1 on raz?

[rain light]

hit the boss until its hp goes to 0

[sick sentinel]

tell them more specifically where you have problems there

Interested in healing through shrouds 1/3

Last stand one, IV etc

But not sure if there are any other tricks there.

[deep spruce]

It's a healer issue honestly

Pop shield wall

Get heals

I'm progging blue side and never even considered using last stand or hs or pot unless they specifically say to use

[potent harbor]

guys is there something like sated debuff? shaman should use bl on odyn but didnt, but he said he has bl on cd

so how he can have bl on cd but we didnt get bl?

like i want to know so ppl dont gaslight me

[fresh igloo]

ability has a CD like any button that has a CD. this is separate from exhaustion/sated.

[potent harbor]

or he used it too early when we had debuff?

[fresh igloo]

if you were over time and shaman was the only lust option, you all used it, then cleared sated w/ the sandman, and expected to have lust again, that might be the problem.

I'm speculating with a lack of info here.

[potent harbor]

no over time

[fresh igloo]

maybe they used it before sated fell off on accident. i dunno, i'm guessing lol

[coral umbra]

Is there a point where you stop going for crit/haste. Currently 35% crit and haste

[median tulip]

All of the lust effects have a 5m CD on the spell as well as the sated debuff

[median tulip]

You'll start to get into serious diminishing returns at 40% (not including raw % gained from talents)

[potent harbor]

well im writing into my notepad next stupid idiotic thing how ruin key, shaman bl accidentally with sated debuff

[coral umbra]

Ohh sweet I’m not there yet. What’s usually best for AA buff?

[median tulip]

Haste

[coral umbra]

Sweet ty

[fresh igloo]

people make mistakes, shit happens.

[median tulip]

I've done that myself on my Shammie; shit happens

[potent harbor]

@fresh igloo ye bro thats what im hearing each key i go in

[coral umbra]

What’s some good trinkets if I am only doing keys?

[fresh igloo]

windscar whetsone

idol of trampling hooves

[coral umbra]

Tyty

[fresh igloo]

rumbling ruby..?

that might be raid

[coral umbra]

I have blazehoof and some shield thing from NO

[fresh igloo]

big toe isn't bad

blazehoof is also decent

[sick sentinel]

my gloves dropped, but for the paladin who it was ilvl for

[potent harbor]

i see some top wars even with rumbling ruby

[stable valve]

NO shield trinket is bleh

[sick sentinel]

RNG shield trinkets always bleh

how's a dmg shield at randomg helpful on tank lol

[strong forum]

its even worse when its a tiny shield that only procs once per minute

[cosmic basin]

What gems do we wanna use and is there a way to sim/check what you should go for? Im asking since i thought high Versa/low haste is good, so it sometimes procs haste, but then i see quite a few people running the opposite

[hidden ether]

Just had the healer leave on last boss of temple second the timer went over wouldnt spend 2 minutes finishing the damn dungeon

[quiet monolith]

I use decoration of flame for additional AOE aggro on click and then a stat stick / whetstone / torch / icon depending on situation and group

[hidden ether]

Whats your guys lust timing for Temple this week? My group did first pull, big aoe pull before last boss but i feel like that waisted a lust

[cinder storm]

First pack, 2nd boss or trash after second boss, lust last boss unless you are scared of the big pack, but if you mismanage your CDs and wipe there its a wasted lust

It's better to just handle that pack without lust and lust boss after add phase

[last mason]

why tf cant i reset my instance

[sick sentinel]

all players need to be outside

[rain light]

Think ill wait until next week to time this temple, last pack on trash week is horrid

[oak heart]

is the eranog ring worth more than the crafted ring?

[heavy coral]

stats alright?

[sick sentinel]

son of a bitch, no gloves still

[worn basalt]

mastery seems high, crit seems low

[heavy coral]

hmm

what should i be aiming mastery/crit

I am able to tweek stats

gain 17% crit and 20% mast

that is in Battle Stance

[warm plinth]

I'm very late to this but there is a WA you can get that announces when someone uses lust. Might at least give you a heads up that you won't have it in the future if that happens again.

[round pendant]

proud of you

[violet flume]

standaard here seems to be haste > crit

I know wohead guide says haste > vers though, but its definitely less damage

[heavy coral]

i like sitting battle stance so iwas aiming more haste/mastery/vers

[warm plinth]

It doesn't really matter. More stats is what we want, with prioritizing haste as a secondary. Ideally you'd want more crit and less mastery but it absolutely isn't going to hold you back.

[violet flume]

stance doesnt change stat priority tbh

[warm plinth]

ilevel>haste>crit=vers>mastery (this doesn't mean mastery is bad, just that it's the least preferred secondary)

[heavy coral]

more haste better?

40%?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, haste is a good offensive stat and our best defensive secondary

You can't really get 40% realistically. You'd have to run suboptimal trinkets to get it

[cinder nova]

It's just predictive text-vomit.

[warm plinth]

And there isn't like a haste goal per se. Just get haste where you can without sacrificing ilevel

[sick sentinel]

sure, procedural garbage in garbage out

i mean, thats really what it is

[undone verge]

dathea gotta die tonight

we finally locking out

we gonna be cutting rasz close

[sick sentinel]

died to final boss twice

[undone verge]

1 platform dathea is actually insane

I love it

[warm plinth]

I love you

Gottem

[tropic gorge]

mooovin on up

[round pendant]

mayte

this arms warrior did 45k dps in a +19 CoS

and died 10 times

[sick sentinel]

stopped getting invites 16 sbg some reaaon and then got in one with hunter and after 2 minutes he dropped group or kicked me or something

[warm plinth]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

spent like 20 minutes just now looking for one

[warm plinth]

Are you farming SBG or something?

[sick sentinel]

its got greater infusions and my hands, so, yep

free greater infusions that is

cuz none of the bosses or trash do a single thing if you do kicks and mechanic

i have 8 greater fragments right now, thats 2 runs and i can recraft 405 shield into hopefuly at least 4 star 415 i think it is

[warm plinth]

yuge

No reason you shouldn't be able to find a person to make 418 for cheap at this point, especially if you have mettle to use for recrafts

[robust cipher]

hi team
qq
how does "spell block" work exactly?
the tooltip says "You are able to block spells for 20 sec."
Does it mean that when I use this CD I block all incoming spells for the next 20 seconds (that are blockable)?

[sick sentinel]

i got full points into shield crafter

[round pendant]

No. Normally you can't block spells, this ability let's you do that

[sick sentinel]

it makesfire balls blockable equal to current block chance

[round pendant]

Shield block will give you 100% block chance with it

[warm plinth]

Step 1. Use Shield Block (all through the duration of Spell Block; this should be easy since you should be doing it anyway)
Step 2. Use Spell Block
Step 3. Block blockable magic attacks for 20 seconds.
Step 4. ???
Step 5. Profit

[robust cipher]

can I block the stoneslam detonation on mythic diurna for reduced dmg?

[robust cipher]

whatever dude

[warm plinth]

What does that mean lol. I was explaining how it worked

[robust cipher]

tyvm, all clear

[sick sentinel]

no reason not recraft my own shield, it has my name on it after all

thats just most recent knowledge pic i have, i got at least 7-9 in belts now

[plucky mango]

What’s the best race for prot warrior for alliance and why? I’ve done independent research but wanna know peoples opinions.

[warm plinth]

Dwarf/DID for debuff/bleed removals since those are generally the most dangerous things we experience as prot warriors.

[gray warren]

Do people usually equip both blazehoof and whetstone together? Im dumb and farmed for both only to realize you can't use them at the same time

[warm plinth]

Not ideally, no

[hardy snow]

most of on-use trinkets cant be used at once

[warm plinth]

That being said, I use two on-use trinkets on my rogue; it's not that bad

[gray warren]

Yeah its been a while since Ive had two on use trinkets lol

What should I aim for for my two slots together then? ideally

[warm plinth]

Whetstone and something passive. If you don't raid, idol of trampling hooves is probably your best option for the other slot

Ruby whelp shell isn't a bad option either once it's trained for ST

[gray warren]

Cool, I do also have a rws trained. Thanks

[astral crystal]

on mythic?

[undone verge]

Yes

Actually starting to piss me off tho, like 5% wipe

[plucky mango]

Very much appreciated. Thank you for your assistance.

[warm plinth]

Any time my friend

[lament dragon]

Man warrior has a ton of abilities I'm out of room for keybinds

Anyone have a list of useful shift modifier macros you may use

[lament dragon]

Ty

[slender terrace]

415 flame, 418 pack, 408 totem

pick 2?

[warm plinth]

pack and totem

[round pendant]

My keybinds are weird

1+6, ctrl1-6, shift1-6, alt1-6

And qerf with those modifiers too

It's really shit for some things, like how my avatar is on alt+5 and charge is on ctrl+3 and taunt is shift+5 so the finger gymnastics I have to do for my opener is ridiculous

[lament dragon]

so i just have for keybinds 4 on mouse (plus mouse wheel up and down)

then i have Q E R T Y F G Z X C V

might rebind b to like I and lfg to L

since quest log is now basically m anyways

[mortal brook]

HOW SIT THO

[lament dragon]

using /sit

[warm plinth]

That is sacrilege

[pallid quiver]

The bear person asking how to sit is a shock to my entire world and how I perceive things

[lament dragon]

man i dont have enough keybinds

[pallid quiver]

there's just like, an ingrained part of me that has understood that everyone who plays bear has a sit/stand macro for the sheer purpose of teabagging people who died

[lament dragon]

this blows

ima have to shift modify a ton of stuff

or replace my trusty logitech hero g502

[pallid quiver]

i don't care how much of meme or in response to other people it is

[warm plinth]

g502 is so overrated 💤

[pallid quiver]

the words combined is just wrong

[warm plinth]

spaceship ass looking mouse

G600 is the best 😠

[lament dragon]

if your calling the g502 a spaceship looking mouse

[south zealot]

charge is definitely q

[lament dragon]

i have charge and shield charge to G

for gotta go fast

it was between g and R for ricky bobby

[slim dove]

Charge is C smh

[warm plinth]

yes, I'm calling the g502 a spaceship looking mouse

[lament dragon]

well here is what the G600 is then

ima have to work on these keybinds tomorrow

or figure out what i really need

warrior has like a million and 1 defensives

[violet flume]

got nowhere else to brag but i thought id do AV +20 as my last timed key but here i am, timing it as my 2nd dungeon in a vault completion group lmao

really need to do court of stars, overtimed my last +20 by 1min and we had like 17 deaths (one death at the start of each boss with no brez) and 10% interrupt rate on charging station casts. Seems too free of a key if nobody dies

[hallow phoenix]

Charge is mousewheel up and intervene is mousewheel down when talented

[lament dragon]

I put revenge on down and slam on up since I spam them

[lament dragon]

What do you have slam and revenge bound to and thunderclap and ignore pain I'm curious

[ionic fern]

I hope you mean Shield Slam,not just Slam

[warm plinth]

The g600 is not even big 🤔

[ionic fern]

SS,1
Revenge,3
TC,2
IP,ctrl+f

[lament dragon]

Yes

[hallow phoenix]

I use ESDF to move.
1 Taunt (commanding)
2 SS. (Avatar)
3 Revenge. (Demo shout)
4 IP. (Last stand)
5 dragon roar (shield wall)
A reflect
Z spell block
Q TC (intim shout)
W SB. (Shield charge)
R pummel
T heroic throw
G shockwave. (Storm bolt)
V Victory Rush (ravager)
Mouse wheel up charge (heroic leap)

Shift modifier in ()

[warm plinth]

People who bind their mousewheel can't be trusted

[hallow phoenix]

[lament dragon]

I use Ctrl plus mouse to cycle through pressed positions

Ctrl mouse wheel up is close mwd is far and click is in between

[warm plinth]

pressed positions?

[lament dragon]

Presaved

Autocorrect

[warm plinth]

Like camera positions?

[lament dragon]

In-game you can now save camera positions

[warm plinth]

That's actually pretty cool

[hallow phoenix]

I also use control mouse wheel to zoom. No presets

[warm plinth]

I use just regular mousewheel to zoom

[hallow phoenix]

Shift mouse down is intervene target of target

[lament dragon]

Idk when they added it but I noticed it in keybinds some time after df

[hallow phoenix]

Toxic

[warm plinth]

If I bound something to mousewheel it would probably get spammed

I change camera a lot

[lament dragon]

So I temporarily set Ctrl and f1 f2 and f3 to save defines positions and call them with the mouse wheel

Defined

[hallow phoenix]

Oh I got two side buttons on my mouse too. One is PTT the other is for my trinkets. And belt knockback (engi) is shift + ` (aka ~)

Potions and health stones on C. Stance swap on x

Execute is 6

[lament dragon]

Idk how you guys can use 1-6

My hands and maybe cause I'm older and was hard on them when I was younger with mechanics and stuff can't stretch up there anymore without taking my hand off home row anymore

[warm plinth]

6 is heroic throw so it's not like I'm spamming it

[open forum]

does intervene help reduce damage from Hyrja's Eye of the Storm?

[warm plinth]

No

But it's good for HoV for Fenryr

[open forum]

I knew that. Shame it doesn't help on Hyrja. I run with a MM hunter a lot. They get kinda squishy at higher keys. Just trying to find ways to help them survive

[warm plinth]

RIP Safeguard

[hybrid gust]

Just do reverse strat

[warm plinth]

She still hurts on high keys

Regardless of strat

[hybrid gust]

Well yeah

[warm plinth]

Tell him to start getting avoidance gear

[tame jasper]

They have turtle, self heal and the self-mini-rally (dont know the exact mini talent), health por. And then there is you with a rally (In general I pop this in 2nd storm as healer hast BL for first in general) and a healer. That should be enough as a 4th storm means that you have far too less dps anyway

[undone verge]

Another day, another 40 wipes on Dathea

[lean gale]

We are in the same boat mate

[undone verge]

I cry

The most annoying thing is we’re 6/8 but we just can’t rekill it

[tame jasper]

Heads up, youll do it. We wiped on Painsmith 300 times before kill as we had 3 players who were always desd before 1st intermission.

Somehow glad that I dont raid anymore. Having more time to wipe in m+ keys with pugs…but finally did all fortified 22 and sbg/cos 23 at the werkend. So now 23ff and 22tyra next on list

[undone verge]

I don’t mind wiping so much as I’m worried if we’re wiping this bad on Dathea we’re gonna really struggle on rasz. Now we were missing like 4 core members this week, but it’s still frustrating

[ionic fern]

You'll really struggle on Diurna*

And only then Rasz.

[undone verge]

From everything I’ve heard diurna is easier than Dathea

[ionic fern]

Can't wait for reality to kick you in the butt.

[undone verge]

I mean we have the dps for diurna it’s just gonna be up to personal responsibility 🤷‍♂️

[ionic fern]

It's always personal responsibility tho.

But hey, maybe your guild is not as backwards as mine and Diurna is actually easier for you.

Who knows.

[undone verge]

Idk, hopefully. Honestly CE probably gonna be more up to us killing diurna in a timely manner. Hopefully it’s 2-1/2 weeks max and we can grind rasz out

[warm plinth]

I know a guild who is selling 6/8 but they sell Diurna instead of Dathea

[undone verge]

Wait what are they selling? Dathea+rasz lockout?

[warm plinth]

No like, 6/8 bosses

But it's all but Dathea and Rasz instead of all but diurna and rasz

They full clear the raid; they just don't sell dathea or rasz

[undone verge]

Oh, weird

Who would buy that?

Is the skip open?

[warm plinth]

idk. You can buy individual bosses too. It's not like you have to buy all 6

I was just mentioning it because Mwahi implied Diurna was harder than Dathea, but this guild doesn't sell Dathea because she's a pain in the ass

[ember tangle]

there might not be enough profit in it to make it worth it

diurna has better loot

[warm plinth]

yeah

Early boss generally means cheaper, so they probably just don't make enough money on her to be worth it, like you say

[visual moat]

does anyone know if there is a way to get alerts in bigwigs for breach armour and power attack in hov?

[warm plinth]

Does it not have them in the options?

[visual moat]

it's not showing up in the list of abilities in little wigs under trash in the dungeon

shieldmaidens i know do breach armour as well as mortal hew

[ionic fern]

Those have a cast timer?

👀

[ember tangle]

it behaves like mortal hew, just faster

but it also doesn't really matter

it is really hard to avoid

[warm plinth]

breach isn't faster than mortal hew

They have the same cast time

[ember tangle]

you sure?

[warm plinth]

yes

[ionic fern]

They are both just "Let me step 2 steps back".

🤔

[warm plinth]

Yeah breach is just as avoidable as mortal hew

[left vigil]

hey guys, my guild tank have that shield block up time in a mythic +20, he is complaint about healing. Is that really bad?

[ionic fern]

That means nothing. Give us logs.

He is in dstance and running ITF which is a big yikes on a +20.

But. 🤷

[tame jasper]

Blocked hits is the number to have a look at

[dry spear]

For ras mythic: i looked up subcreation and some loadouts got the interrupting shout. For what part of the fight i need it? We only are on p1 progress. Do i ae taunt when the sparks spawns and i already have aggro on ras or is it for the intermission?

[frigid zinc]

hi guys wassup

i,m new in wow 11rd day to playing ,,,

i reech m+15 shadow moon burial and that skeletons in erly one shot me with void slash from front of my hero

and befor i die i was activated shild block and ignore pain and avatar

what should i do there ?

i watched youtube how tank protection played in they dangen m+

i tryed to ply like him and do the spells one by one and i died

[blazing condor]

they're worth to use defensives on if you wanna face-tank them (shield wall / last stand)

otherwise you can step away from the void slash and it wont hit you

just back off cus it has a short range

they're easy to kite

[stuck basin]

you can also use spellblock for those mobs to heavyly reduce the voidslash dmg for 20 seconds
and you should start kiting when your out of cds - those mobs hurt specially on fortified weeks 😉

[ionic fern]

Intermission and the Sparks.

[dire tide]

BIg toe vs blaze vs Horn of valor, which 1 would you use?

[frigid zinc]

hmm make sens

cuz i,m new ,, i thinked TANKS is one man army can hold anything anywhere ,,,

but in m+13 more up ,,, only Tactic matter

[frigid zinc]

u mean this can save me ?

[blazing condor]

yeah spell block is very good for certain packs

and dungeons

[frigid zinc]

i will try it soo

[blazing condor]

it works like shield block but for magic damage

[frigid zinc]

interesting

also spell reflection give me 20% magic rressist for 5 s

i didnt know that ,,,

this one ?

or this ?

[warm plinth]

Started writing this earlier and got distracted but, void slash can't be backpedaled. The mob keeps moving while casting it, so without a significant slow on the mob, you have to full on kite the ability to get out of range in time

[ionic fern]

What are you looking for?

Spell Block is on Prot tree.

[frigid zinc]

i know i chos that ,,

i ask about avatar talents

[ionic fern]

Don't swap UF to IO.

[frigid zinc]

cd tunder clap is better ?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[frigid zinc]

ok

also i have revenge tlnt for tunder clap

when i use revenge give me 1 s cd or tunder thats cool

i think i need more haste

cuz my tunder clap cd is 4.2 s in avatar

😄

i mean i need use it fast but i need use my defensive too or shield slam for rage

[warm plinth]

Thunder Clap is every other GCD in Avatar. Your haste doesn't matter.

[ionic fern]

Then you're not using UF atm.

[frigid zinc]

oww intersting

my item lvl enough for m+15 ? or need higher ?

[ionic fern]

No.

You can do 20's with that ilvl if you know the dungeons/class.

[warm plinth]

I tanked a +16 this week on my prot paladin at 367 and I tank 16ish keys every week on my warrior at like 397?

Think you'll be fine

[frigid zinc]

i need more knowledge

i need ruine more keys 😂

[warm plinth]

Just do low-ish keys to start, figure out where you're messing up (logs help immensely for this), and then once you iron out the fundamentals, work your way up