protection

[plush tendon]

double passive ftw

[dire tide]

im going alch stone blazebinder

[potent harbor]

whetstone is too much neat for me to skip, so amny times covers aggro tbh and do insane dmg

[tropic gorge]

I have that scale trinket, I forgot where it dropped. Gives a shield when taking dmg. I kinda like it

The shield is pretty good when it procs. It's like a passive aegis almost

[plush tendon]

true, Icon is for the bois (since we have 5 in the group. Would be troll not to use in that case) and I got a Mythic All-Totem! Imagine not using that

[plush tendon]

naw, drop that shit

its terribad

[tropic gorge]

Sure, when a better one drops. Lmaooooo

[potent harbor]

well ye all totem must be cool

[tropic gorge]

Wow head has it listed as a good m+ trinket.

[plush tendon]

[potent harbor]

wowhead lul, doesnt wowhead propagand stack versa aswell?

like we are in bfa

[tropic gorge]

No clue. I'm under the impression whoever wrote the guide is in here

[uneven mason]

Wowhead also has a "not warrior" write the warrior guide

[potent harbor]

well it was bad even in bfa but ppl didnt know

[tropic gorge]

Wait really?

I thought nom made the talent sections

[uneven mason]

Legit, they couldn't afford nom or mwahi

[tropic gorge]

Lmao fuck me

[uneven mason]

In the pins

[plush tendon]

we go by a different set of rules in these parts

[tropic gorge]

Whew well at least I did that much right

[plush tendon]

1st, crit>vers

2nd, damage trinkets>tank trinkets (all-totem gets a pass)

[uneven mason]

1000% correct this

[potent harbor]

everything better then vers tbh, jsut use tepid flask and thats it

[plush tendon]

I have lots of vers cause my eggnog ring gives like 900

[tropic gorge]

I use the vers flask atm for its cost and, well I don't have a lot of vers on gear

[plush tendon]

and Icon is vers for tanks

which is sus af

if only the stat priority on Eggnog ring could be crit heavy, low vers

[tropic gorge]

I've been stacking haste on my gems and ring enchants, my haste is 24 unbuffed (no ITF)

[plush tendon]

thats fine

[tropic gorge]

I ran crit for a bit but realized quick I needed more haste

[plush tendon]

you get as much haste as you can get without sacrificing I level on prim stat pieces

[tropic gorge]

Yessir. Ilvl being king makes that part easier

[plush tendon]

for rings and necks you can be a bit more picky on the stats

since no prim stat

[tropic gorge]

So, question about gems. I've been using the Stam + stat gem. Is that stupid?

[plush tendon]

yea

haste heavy, crit gems

never use stam gems

ever

[uneven mason]

Don't get me wrong, Arch for arms and fury is solid in their guides, just the prot one rings very "generic tank advice without consideration for the abilities involved"

[tropic gorge]

So stat and stat

[plush tendon]

this aint WoTLK

[plush tendon]

and 1 prim stat haste gem

[tropic gorge]

I'll swap them over tonight when I get home. I'll also go ahead and work order the bop Stat gem for my neck and unfuck myself

[plush tendon]

make sure you also used the settings to get the extra sockets in your neck

[tropic gorge]

Ofc. I did that

[plush tendon]

I had to help my roommate do that

[tropic gorge]

I just don't have the right gems in atm lmao

[plush tendon]

but hes learning

very proud of him

[tropic gorge]

Yeah it's one of those if you know you know type things with the new neck socket items

I'm kinda not happy with my hp amount. The "mt" in my guild is a druid so comparing my hp to his is obviously gonna not be good. But in the m+ spec in the pins I have the Stam talent above raveger, in raid I don't and damn

Thats a chunk of hp

[plush tendon]

its fine to have less HP

[tropic gorge]

With that Stam talent I have more hp than the bear at similar ilvl

[ivory leaf]

How much vers is enough tho? Im running like 13% unbuffed. Or shud ai even worry about it.

[plush tendon]

0% is enough

[ivory leaf]

@plush tendon thank god I hate that stat neways

[plush tendon]

Vers is a pvp stat

[tropic gorge]

So, if I wanted to stop using the vers flask, what would be a good option?

[plush tendon]

glacial fury, eye of the storm are pretty good alternatives

but I use vers flask cause its cheap

[tropic gorge]

I've been told they are all basically the same

[plush tendon]

and the GB is stoked with them

[tropic gorge]

Me too aug

[plush tendon]

so like, ya know, gotta save dat gold

I really need to reload on potions though

ive been pretty bad about using stat pots or shocking disclosures

[vagrant oracle]

I have to move my shocking disclosure pot lol

[tropic gorge]

I macrod the cauldron pots to avatar for raids

[vagrant oracle]

I fat finger the key sometimes when I’m meaning to hit a heal pot or trink 😂

[plush tendon]

I play a DK in raid now

[tropic gorge]

I'm sorry lmao

[plush tendon]

which is basically ez mode for Raz

[tropic gorge]

I really like having a dk in groups

[plush tendon]

I dont move for the first 3 minutes of the fight

[tropic gorge]

They have a lot of handy utility

Esp dudes with the grippy arms

The dk and rogue are usually a go to wheni form keys

Esp a dk that'll grip casters for me

[vagrant oracle]

I’ll never say no to the grippy arms 😏

[tropic gorge]

If you do that , you're a fucking undead king

[vagrant oracle]

I won’t run CoS without a rogue unless it’s a guild run

They’re just too damn useful up to the first boss

[tropic gorge]

Tbh the dk is probably one of my favorites to have for mele. Brez, hard to kill, good dmg when done correctly, tons of utility

[toxic gyro]

For what

[tropic gorge]

The downside is no speed boosts, and wheelchair mode. But the combat utility outweighs thst in my eyes

[vagrant oracle]

Poison the first boss, sap the first guard, speedy stealth to the pillars

[tropic gorge]

Rog is almost required for cos

[vagrant oracle]

You can save a lot time

[plush tendon]

eh, not really

anyone with alchemy can do potion

[tropic gorge]

Some monks are pro at pillars too

[vagrant oracle]

I’ll take a Druid with alchemy as a stand in

[plush tendon]

DH can also sap things with imprison

[vagrant oracle]

True.

[tropic gorge]

Cos mele stack. Dk, dh, rog. Enjoy!

[plush tendon]

or you can mage/hunter skip

[vagrant oracle]

Let me give the rogues a bone man

[plush tendon]

they dont need it

[tropic gorge]

The mage has to know to invis after tho

[plush tendon]

class is busted without the extra stuff

[toxic gyro]

Or have someone with alchemy, and have healer do the pillars

[tropic gorge]

Or the poly break will bring about random challenge mode

[vagrant oracle]

They’re just fury warriors that aren’t strong enough to hold up two 2h weapons and so they gotta sneaky

[tropic gorge]

Hahaha

I've always said that about fury. If I wanna dw weapons I'll roll rogue

(I'm an arms dps guy)

[plush tendon]

the comp we running right now is Prot War, Sub Rogue, Havoc DH, WW/Balance/Feral, PreEvoker/Resto Doo Doo

we learned that the way to time keys.... is to brute force it

XD

[tropic gorge]

Or, "I don't need 2 weapons to hurt you". Something about so many classes dual welding, and a warrior showing up with just one thst is awesome

I've had really good luck with some evoker healers. They are or can be very strong

[vagrant oracle]

Strong. We usually have a prot, DH and resto. The other two dps are interchangeable.

[plush tendon]

Evokers are my favorite healer now, at least on war

for the sole fact that they can remove bleeds

[timber wasp]

So should I spend all my time farming CoS for whetstone yeah?

[plush tendon]

it can be worth; just dont lose your mind XD

[tropic gorge]

My war is a dwarf. He comes with a bleed removal. Bahaha

[vagrant oracle]

I, in general, like evokers. But some of them really need to pay more attention to their positioning and direction they’re flying lol

[uneven mason]

If you don't have one

[timber wasp]

Yep, don't have one

[plush tendon]

im contemplating Dwarf or NE once cross faction is a thing

but I like the Blood Elf model

Dwarf would work though, since my warrior is named Bjorn

[uneven mason]

One of those...

[tropic gorge]

I like the blood elf girls

The males are meh

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/kinkshame-beej-lrr-gif-14870300

[tropic gorge]

The be racial is pretty strong too as I understand it

Be girls are a head shorter than human girls and half as big

[uneven mason]

Orc ladys where it's at horde

[tropic gorge]

They are super cute in cloth gear

[uneven mason]

So you belong in the paladin discord.....

[tropic gorge]

Sir don't you put that on me

Some dude had an item to race swap for 2 hours, persisted through death.
I ran through it with my mage until she got the blood elf one. And I was sold

[plush tendon]

IDK what one of my guildies does, but he plays as a tuskar model when hes on his evoker

[tropic gorge]

Lots of eokver players don't like the dragon models

[plush tendon]

my issue with Evokers

they dont wear plate

[tropic gorge]

Speaking of dragon plate

Our next tier armor is top. Tier.

I love it.

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/megazord-mighty-morphin-power-rangers-ready-to-rock-lets-do-this-megazord-ready-gif-19518920

^ this is our tier

[mortal brook]

You sure its not Emperor Greymon?

[high basalt]

What’s the best embellishment for shield please m+? Ty

[toxic pewter]

Honestly all the sets sort of giving me teenage mutant ninja turtles vibes

[tropic gorge]

I'm OK with that lol

The turtles are kinda awesome

If we fight some shredder knockoff or foot clan, I'd love it lmao

[shy python]

Question about Jadeboss in TJS: What happens if I Shadowmelt when boss casts Jadestrike?

[uneven mason]

Probably will just eat a DPS

[shy python]

Really?

Nice 😄

Will try this!

Leaping away wont help I guess?

[lofty widget]

she wont recast if you meld

can be used to skip a cast

[cloud umbra]

Meld, feral invis. DH meta .. pally bubble can all cheese one

[amber siren]

Flavour pocket I guess? Armour spikes are around 2% DPS but afaik you need to be getting hit for it to proc which isn’t always happening in raid. If you strictly do M+ less of an issue

[timber wasp]

Man how do you guys deal with pugs

[uneven mason]

Blinders

[timber wasp]

I got a mage in 16 HOV

[sick sentinel]

how do you plan on reflecting deathspike on 1st boss SBG? is it on a timer from the DBM or just random

[timber wasp]

Pulls the sentinel for me at start even though I didnt want to pull
Pulls the next few packs as well whilst we're killing the old ones
Afked and said "we're gonna wipe" when I double pulled the boss adds before 2nd instead of helping (we didn't wipe)
Went back to the left into main room after fenryr instead of helping to kill bears and bison. Called my route shit and just afked whilst we pulled 2 packs
AFKed through the first of the boss adds before 4th chatting shit
And then afterwards pipes up and says that only his route is the good route.

And he still does the same dps as a tank in 410 gear (im 400)

Blamed it on me pulling mobs out of his orb on sanguine week

[slim dove]

Mages are quite simply the most whiny class in existence

I just don't invite them anymore unless they're fire and 2900+

[timber wasp]

He's 2400 with a 2800 alt in a 16 with 410 gear

lol

[slim dove]

Also playing frost on sanguine week is beyond troll

[timber wasp]

Doing bears and bison isnt bad in HOV is it? I do it in my 22 runs on my druid

[slim dove]

Enjoy me moving mobs out of your orb and blizzard all run buddy lmao

[timber wasp]

Yep lol

[slim dove]

Yeah bears are free and bison are free

[timber wasp]

He wanted to kill all the packs in main hall for %

like ?

[slim dove]

Dumb as shit fuck main hall trash, skip all of it

Well as much as possible.

[timber wasp]

exactly

Hes a 2800 tank

I feel sorry for his groups

What an insufferable prick lol

Imagine pulling for the tank in a 16 because you think you're god

[tropic gorge]

Did you time?

With the sandbagging mage?

When I do hov I usually skip that middle pack in the hallway and pull everything else

[timber wasp]

We ++ed lol

Even with mage trolling

Then at the end he called out my druid and said Yw for the carry because she only did 7k dps -_-

[tropic gorge]

Fucking based lol

Meh it's a healing druid. They don't exactly pump dmg

[tropic gorge]

I agree with banning twitch viewers lmao

I saw a dude in here or altered time that said asmongold viewers were higher skilled players than non viewers because they collected mounts.
It was an amazing discussion to watch take place

[sick sentinel]

dont @ me if u aint playin on a 420hz 4k monitor

[tropic gorge]

420hz 69k rez

We aren't meme lords, we are gods

[sick sentinel]

long story short if that pc existed, and it ran wow, ur house would go boom

it would require such an immense amount of power, that it would immediately surge

cuz like, 4k is 1080 in a 2x2 grid, well, 8k is then 3 grid, 16k is 4 grid, im not very good at maths, but thats a whole lota pixels 69k

[tropic gorge]

You wouldn't have to worry about power, nasa would rent server time from you

4k is more than 1080 in a 2x2

[sick sentinel]

that is an absolutely immense amount of pixels

[tropic gorge]

4k is an order of magnitude bigger than 1080p

[sick sentinel]

best esitmate is human eyeball view is around 30-50k "resolution"

[tropic gorge]

So, using camera terms for eyes doesn't work. There's no real way to measure the estimated resolution of a 20/20 vision human

And the age old "what frame rate does our eyes operate at" isn't a question at all

[drifting lance]

in what keys do u run spell block?

[sick sentinel]

they calculated it, and thats the average where its no longer percievable by anyone at all

i think the more accurate one i heard was 32-35k, but 32k rings out to me some reasoon too

[tropic gorge]

Some dude I used to know swore up and down our eyes ran at 60 fps and made up a load of bullshit to support his argument.
It's exhausting to try to tell people our eyes don't have shutters and frame rate doesn't apply

[sick sentinel]

"i don't believe more than 60 fps is real"
"do you have a newer high end cellphone model, like the max or pro model"
"yes" "go down load some game from the app store that plays in 120hz/200hz"
"i don't believe above 60 fps is real" OR "i don't want to try that"

[tropic gorge]

Ah yes. The console peasant argument

"anything over 30fps is a waste. Not because I think so, because my favorite console can't do over that"

[modest bramble]

hows everyone handle piercing shards on high AV keys? assume even in a good grp not all can be stunned, def never happens in pugs... that dot wrecks

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2lZDBxeT0 orgiinal doom, for example in dos, runs at 35 FPS video for reference and it looks passible, for 1994 or whatever

[cloud umbra]

You can get the first like 5 of them if you are quick with it. Then ask for other stuns or cd the rest

[hidden ether]

I ran a 21 NO worst dungeon for sangine, the number of mobs who full healed... I should have made sure there was someone with a pull or blow back in the dungeon. zero wipes and 6 minutes over timer. all 6 of that was one fucking archer or caster healing to full health unable to be moved

[cloud umbra]

The hill is the worst part imo, the 6 second long cast is enough for a full heal. But you are better off moving on to the next pack if it’s just one left

[tropic gorge]

Turreting casters in sanguine, I've learned are almost always my fault for not moving stuff away from them

Without a knock back you gotta be mindful of em. I've killed many rlp keys on the last pull of the dungeon doing that

Double sang = full heal gg no re

[cloud umbra]

NO has 4 stable mob packs at the beginning. Tank can’t always pr cent it

Prevent

[tropic gorge]

Ya

Those asshole turret dudes piss me off

[hidden ether]

I was moving away, sometimes it was unlucky othertimes it was my group. 2 of them were on me though i know that.

[tropic gorge]

Can't out range and force em to move, random targets to pop. Extremely annoying to deal with

[hidden ether]

like watched my group stun the melee mob at 5% HP right net to the turret caster

[tropic gorge]

Lol yessir

"well, that just happened"

Then dps screaming for you to move the mobs out of sang

[hidden ether]

they never raged was a chill group minus the hunter who waited for a res on all 8 of his deaths 😐

[tropic gorge]

For nok I think waiting is okay near the end. But before the storm boss, fly back.

[hidden ether]

only after 3rd boss

IMO

[tropic gorge]

I agree with you also lol

[hidden ether]

but yeah he died 3 times on trash leading up to tempest and just waited

[tropic gorge]

Some wiggle room there, depending on things

[hidden ether]

sometimes someone else woudl die fly back join the fight then get him his res

[tropic gorge]

If the group dps is good, I'd rather a dps wait for a rez if they get themselves killed on a trash pull

Hah that's happened to me as dps. "guess I should have ran back. Shit"

[hidden ether]

gotta know the timing right? we finishing up wait, we have 4 mobs left and you died 15 sec into the pull

[tropic gorge]

Man that dudes problem was way before that. It was when he queued

Shit happens, people make mistakes and will die. That's fine with me. But if you die constantly, I start having an issue

[shy python]

Nice!

Thanks!

[sick sentinel]

people who have problems become your problem if you hang around too long

[acoustic oasis]

Currently my warrior is dwarf, but with the upcoming cross faction guilds I'm considering swapping to either Tauren or High Mountain Tauren, any real preferences?

[vagrant oracle]

Would you like to be a cow or a moose?

[hallow phoenix]

Darkspear is the way my friend

[acoustic oasis]

I have always loved Tauren, but my pals play ally, I like the horns of high mountain, but the OG Tauren are cool 2.

Either particularly better for protection?

[mighty valley]

The difference in racials is truly tiny

Do what makes you happy

[hallow phoenix]

Undead has the best animations imo

[small dove]

on court of stars is clearing the docks typical on a week like fortified sanguine?

[hallow phoenix]

I do

[jagged pier]

Why would u swap from best race for tanking to anything else

[hallow phoenix]

Same strategy I use to clear it normally works well with sanguine. I slowly backpedal around the room

[small dove]

thanks

[toxic pewter]

Don’t race change just wait for Tuskarr coming in 10.1.5

[jagged pier]

True

I will literally insta swap

[blazing condor]

we're gonna get ogres first guys

[jagged pier]

I have 500 blubbery muffins for a reason

[toxic pewter]

Honestly same it’s great that Tuskarr fits warrior image well in my mind too

[tropic gorge]

You spelled dwarf wrong

[amber siren]

dwarf players

[pallid quiver]

L take, dissing one of the two only acceptable Alliance races like that smh

Dwarves and my Space Cow brothers and sisters are the only real choices on Alliance

[uneven mason]

If draeni didn't have stick legs and sound like Arnold passing a kidney stone

They'd still be unplayable

Because fucking space goats

[hallow phoenix]

In HOV on fort sanguine weeks so y'all skip wolves? The post trick doesn't work too great when melee get blocked by sanguine

[uneven mason]

Kill equally, no.sanguine

[hallow phoenix]

Too hard in puglife

[uneven mason]

Ah yes pug life

[hazy sluice]

22 academy haste or vers`?

[hallow phoenix]

Crit

Haste tho

[uneven mason]

Haste

Trim that GCD

But never vers

That stat needs to be taken out back and stabbed with a Denny's spoon

[urban portal]

vers is probably your best damage stat

very likely to be

when stats give a %, vers becomes extremely valuable

only reason we dont gear for vers is because its expensive

[tropic gorge]

The Dennys down the road from my apartment closed thanks to Corona and is being remade into a Mexican restaurant

I don't know if it's texmex, or Mexican Mexican, but I hope it's good

[silent anchor]

who has dark iron dwarf unlocked?

[mighty valley]

i do

but i'm not playing one any time soon

[silent anchor]

maybe u can help me at all?

im doing the ready for war ach to unlock, got too 50, got the HoA but cant get the next quest off halford 😦

[mighty valley]

you've got ready for war and there's nothing at the embassy?

[tropic gorge]

Google the last quest name you had. Wow head should have it and what's next or required to get the next one

[silent anchor]

this is how far i am through it

which is how far u can get before level 50

[silent anchor]

i have, but it says halford or eathen guy should offer me the next quest once hitting 50, neither of them do tho

[sullen gust]

Might be they are in q different location the second time you have to find them

Check the co-ords

[silent anchor]

guides say return too boat 😦

[sand mason]

I think you’ve already done this achievement bro

[mighty valley]

Have you checked here

[sand mason]

It says you got it 2019?

[uneven mason]

I get that it's basically a flat 5% DMG but....

[sand mason]

If you played BFA you probably have it

[silent anchor]

where?

i did play BFA as horde

[sand mason]

The gold emblem on right with a date means you have it on your account

[silent anchor]

i know you can do it as horde too. isnt complete on my dk tho, havent checked my mage

[sand mason]

Just not that character, but you have it

[silent anchor]

shit yeah

so i just need to goto the recruitment quest then?

[sand mason]

You do the next steps now, as alliance

[sand mason]

Yeah

[silent anchor]

ill go check

before i call u a legend

[silent anchor]

you are a legend

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thank-you-alin-gif-24629689

[sand mason]

dont mention it! Good luck getting Dark Iron!

[lunar gazelle]

best flask for prot in m+?

[silent anchor]

eye in the storm

or whatever its called

gives u X STR stat per mob around you

max 5 or smth

[modern brook]

Depends if ur on us thrall or not

[silent anchor]

?

[cinder storm]

In other news, if any of you worked in a company with an account with silicon valley bank, I'm sorry, drinks are on me

[tropic gorge]

Lmao

I'm laughing my ass off and have been all day at that information, bubbles

[cinder storm]

Puts things into perspective, regular people working for a decent wage and then there's people burning billions like it's no ones business

[tropic gorge]

You know it's a serious happening when the treasury sec made an announcement this morning about it

[cinder storm]

Oh yeah, I thought it wasn't that big of a deal at first, then that came out, only like 3% of the capital is insured, big yikes

[tropic gorge]

Here's hoping the (right) people are affected

[cinder storm]

One can only hope

[tropic gorge]

Ikr lol

[low kindle]

Will Battle Scarred Veteran ever be fixed?

[tropic gorge]

Prob not

[modern brook]

????

They have to rework shadow again

Please tune your expectations

[uneven mason]

So twice an expansion three expansions in a row

I swear they're legit just taking the warrior team to each class team and being all like "do what you did there, here"

Would explain holy leap

[low kindle]

[modern brook]

inb4 new shadow crash is just ancient rumbling from torgast

also: unasked but BSV, even fixed, is probably a crutch take

[uneven mason]

Shadow crash, hurl a shadow blade that strikes all enemies in 10 yards for 6 seconds

[modern brook]

its baby mode for a spec with baby mode already duct taped to it

[tropic gorge]

So dark ravager lol

[uneven mason]

Press buttons no need bsv

[uneven mason]

But it's purple

[low kindle]

lmao sure bud, but what's the point of the talent being there if it's not working properly

would be a nice talent point to take for TJS third boss on high tyran

[uneven mason]

Maybe it's working as intended

It'll proc from that for sure

[low kindle]

it definitely is not, proccing from 1 auto is not how it should be

iirc, it's not taking into the mitigation before proccing

[uneven mason]

Right, the point is more or less it's not needed if you have other options

Relying on it would be, a crutch, when we have soooo many tools in this kit

[modern brook]

Cheat deaths, pseudo or otherwise, are weird to evaluate

because like andy said, there is often very good use cases for them, such as 3rd boss TJS

[uneven mason]

Yeah tjs like that boss and the last.pack

[modern brook]

the problem with them is when you dont need them and take them anyways

i think steve had a post on them that went something like

[urban portal]

we had one about cheat trinkets too

[modern brook]

If you're not actively taking the Cheat for a reason you're very likely running into one of these scenarios:

you dont need it and are using it -->in which case you dont actually need it and are just playing bad
or
you dont need it and arent using it --> in which case you dont actually need it

[urban portal]

but cheats are good at an MDI level

it enables otherwise undoable pulls

[modern brook]

yeah

that'd fall under the "you have a reason for taking it"

and are planning your routes pulls and cds around it

and then you get Jerry noobington saying

[uneven mason]

Right but we're talking strange physics at that level

[modern brook]

WELL TANKNERFMAN USED IT IN THE MDI SO I NEED IT FOR MY WEEKLY 13

and its like

bro just press s\heild block

[uneven mason]

This somad

Was doing smbg, and apparently there is a MDI skip?

[modern brook]

ive never been in smbg and thought "man i wish this dungeon would be faster and easier."

[high basalt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RDWhwH186kZMxNCP/#fight=last

[uneven mason]

Ikr

[high basalt]

guys could someone please look over this and see whats going on with my rotion as in details it says i dont have ip up or the 2 set active much? ty guys ❤️

[modern brook]

it been a very long time since ive done prot war log review, but ima go out on a limb and say 41 cpm is absurdly low

press more buttons

yeaaah this is your rage graph

[sick sentinel]

im still making all the same mistkes it seems bull

[modern brook]

thats HP lmao sorry

[sick sentinel]

so, i dunno if there is point to i post a YT, log, yes, but it just says same shit as before

[high basalt]

i thought i played like a champ then looked at details 🙂

[sick sentinel]

not 90% SB/block, over capping rage etc

[daring marlin]

I've been in that dungeon and thought "wow this dungeon is aids why does it exist?"

[modern brook]

smbg has exactly 2 pulls that are of any concern to any non healer

and then an additional one for healers

if people wanna do mdi strats go wild but like to expect a pug to do that is absolutely wild

[sick sentinel]

i have never fought worm boss SBG, and thought OHLY FGUCK I M GUNA DIE AND WERE GUNNA WIPE........ NONOOOOONOOOOOOOOOOOO

[uneven mason]

The voidbois on fort though that's some butt pucker

[sick sentinel]

worm just literal do nothin avoid the suck, attack the adds

[modern brook]

The pulls are the void bros and the skelemen

and then 1st boss for healers

everything else in that dungeon is trivialized by "having kicks"

[high basalt]

@sick sentinel so the outcome mate what are my major mistakes?

[modern brook]

and "opening your eyes"

[uneven mason]

Yeah voidslash sucks

[uneven mason]

And not kicking dominate

[modern brook]

even if u kick dominate

like

just kick it again

[sick sentinel]

wasted 649 rage on SS

thats a huge amount, if you did not waste 650 rage on SS , you could have instead put it into SB or revenge or ip even

[sick sentinel]

says he wasted 649 of 3770 from SS rage

[modern brook]

like i said, very brief review - 41cpm is very low, i double chcked a random nomeratur log and hes sitting just under 70cpm

almost every thing else stems from that

[urban portal]

TECHNICALLY you should normalize for haste

but thats a lot of work

[modern brook]

Yeah, but haste isnt going to be 30 casts

Like we're global locked with stuff off the gcd

60 shouldnt be unexpected in most gear sets

[sick sentinel]

im pretty close to 4500 haste with FF belt and fire ring now

[high basalt]

ty so much for your time guys least i know what to work on now ❤️ 🙂

[modern brook]

yeah

[high basalt]

cheers

[modern brook]

focus on your rage economy & raise that cpm

[high basalt]

yeah defo will do cheers mate

[modern brook]

If you're still finding yourself struggling with fundementals i would start trying to do focused practice.

[tropic gorge]

Remember tho
People like nom are very high skilled players. So don't beat yourself up too much for not being able to do what they are doing

[modern brook]

ie: if your issue isnt blocking everything

maybe spend 5 minutes on a dummy at the start with the goal of maintaining 100% SB

[tropic gorge]

But do try to get close

Kinda wished more people understood that just because every top mdi team does something, doesn't mean it can be done every time

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bIfkuUP0Xw pov nome entered the chat to drop some facts on you

[high basalt]

@sick sentinel hi mate on details what should the 2 set buff uptime show in a dungeon roughly please? Ty

[tropic gorge]

I've been playing tier bonus as passive and trying to ss outburst. Is that wrong

[sick sentinel]

outburst SS is correct play until you have a large number of enemies, i don't wanto to say a specific number but i think 8 targets?

its more dps, more rage

[tropic gorge]

Oh when I do giga pulls, like the opening of aa, I'll dump some rage into revenge, while using ss resets

[modern brook]

Damage wise I think outburst tc there would be fine. But it's still less rage so 🤷

[amber siren]

TC outburst is 8+ Im p sure, bloodsurge will be carrying your rage gen in those situations

[tropic gorge]

I'm gonna look for a wa tonight to show me when I get outburst. Cause I'm probably missing a lot

[viral elk]

I made a simple one I can send you in a little bit

It's a small number on your ui, doesn't show up until I get to 4/7 stacks of seeing red, then shows VO instead of number when it's up. It's helped immensely

[tropic gorge]

Ya feel free man

[sick sentinel]

free hold inc

[fathom sun]

trying to manage my keybinds, was wondering how often does prot use execute? if I leave it in my spell book how big of a dps loss is that?

[modern brook]

Execute should be on your bars

[amber siren]

it's a large loss in ST

[mighty valley]

everything should be on your bars except whirlwind, slam, rend, hamstring

(maybe people use hamstring in pvp? sickos?)

[tropic gorge]

Execute is nice when you get the chance

Don't be like me and execute your rage out and drop sb tho

[sick sentinel]

execute is still a good rage dump + big dam

[round pendant]

Your main issue is wasting 27% of your rage

actually mb, 21%

Press Revenge and Ignore Pain more, you'll naturally get more damage by getting avatar off cooldown and also more Seeing Red/Outbursts

[sick sentinel]

between about 40 60 mana plan to dump/spend rage, above 70 DUMP EET

[round pendant]

well no, only emergency dump if you're about to get a bunch of incoming rage

If you dump rage too hard in a slump you'll just starve yourself

but yeah tbh just making sure you have enough to cast shield block always and spending the rest is good enough ig

[sick sentinel]

yah, below 30 hit SS and TC mostly, but any rage builder that fits scenario

[warm plinth]

Hamstring is useful in pve 😠

[cinder storm]

I always forget to use it in bear packs, my brain goes "wish someone had a slow"

[tropic gorge]

Shit I think "I should take the tc slow talent for this"

[hidden ether]

what classes can decure for Temple? and is it needed

[mortal brook]

shammy mage druid

[hidden ether]

well doesnt matter D cleared up to first boss, zero wipes, 2 deaths both form the DK second time he stands in bad and dies he AFK's

that was weird

[sick sentinel]

big haste stick

[violet flume]

i got 421 version last week 😄

and whetstone dropped for me yesterday

since all i do is M+ i gues i got the trinket godlike duo

How much better is lariat vs other emblishments? I did see a neck is coming next patch which seems to be bis, thinking its wiser to craft something else like vers bracers... am i shooting myself in the foot? Everyone keeps saying embellishments are all 1% boosts

[sick sentinel]

i can get about, uhhh 80 ish more haste if i take all my gear to 415 currently at 5452

[rain light]

pain

[violet flume]

feels bad man

[errant leaf]

gg bro new record

[rain light]

+1 rating :))

[violet flume]

bonus valor nice

[rain light]

idk why its so hard to time this dungeon

from the 0% wipe i had last night

[violet flume]

i find it pretty easy as a tank too but healers fail hyrja nonstop

or they jump in front of frontals

[rain light]

yeah tanking it is pretty easy

that run the pally had over 10 deaths

[violet flume]

no helping bad pugs i guess

failed CoS +20 by 40sec, guy died 3 times by first boss, said hed get his act up, died 6 more times

didnt deliver on his promise sadly

[rain light]

i got 3 20s left to time then im taking a break until s2

[violet flume]

i told group id kick the damage ability from the robots and to cover the healing ability and theyd kick the healing ability 10% of the time too

I was amazed we almost timed it, i guess CoS is that free of a +20 key

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OTZAFkOu6Q next time for sure

[violet flume]

yeah my entire goal is to do all timed on +20 i just want the teleports lmao

[lusty tiger]

The teleports you won’t be using next season

[sick sentinel]

i think it should be once you have the teleport its across account

if you can time a +20, you deserve it

[tropic gorge]

the mounts are from raiting

why wouldnt the timed over 20 be

[daring marlin]

good plan

people are garbage tbh

shit ass prot pally managed to die to crawth in the 20AA

knew I shoulda tanked it myself lul

[tropic gorge]

alriught time to blow some money and buy some haste\crit gems

[thick finch]

can I just use my arms gear (everything is haste/crit @ 415 ilvl) and just tank with 2 crafted 418s w/o issues?

[tropic gorge]

and fix this dumb messup i got goin on

[sick sentinel]

the main reason i would want to do 20s is for the appearance

thunder, thunder clap,

[errant leaf]

I’m tanking 22s with full haste crit gear, not ideal but

[prime sphinx]

haste crit is bis so yeah

[thick finch]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-theres-a-chance-jim-carrey-gif-11098164

[tropic gorge]

hoooooooo

29 crit, 23 haste unbuffed

getting up there

[daring marlin]

your haste is gross

[tropic gorge]

er 21 haste. forgot i had a weapon buff on that just ran out

without itf in m+ spec

[daring marlin]

🤮

[tropic gorge]

lol

we cant all be giga haste gods like you

[slim dove]

Not having 30% haste

Oof

[rain light]

pain

[mighty valley]

ahhhhhhhhh that sucks

[rain light]

3rd times the charm

that one, the mage pulled 2 packs and blamed me

what can you do

[violet flume]

bro lmao youre really unlucky

[rain light]

yea

[urban portal]

Dang my key your carry I guess

[rain light]

lol yeah

and its dead

well thats enough for today

[sick sentinel]

0 valor

jokes aside, i just need 4,400 valor more, 4k for hands, 400 for feet, MAYBE some ring if i get a higher ilvl ring, then done with valor

[rustic trench]

i just wanna shout you guys out i just timed a 24 AA and was doing 70k dps instead of the 45k like i was b4

[errant leaf]

pogU

[sick sentinel]

MDI soon

[warm plinth]

I'll give you a big haste stick

gottem

[sick sentinel]

alredy got my haste sticks

[lyric laurel]

does shield block block taging tempest when enraged? in NO

[violet flume]

Everyone keeps saying embellishments are +1%, how much better is lariat? I believe there's a strong neck coming next patch so it might be better to craft vers bracers?

[chilly brook]

Block/reflect sheet in pins

[warm plinth]

It's not better. It's around 1% stat on average. The item coming next patch is a ring, not a neck.

[chilly brook]

Not worth worrying about tbh

[violet flume]

oops i was sure it was a neck

maybe ill make bracers to save me gold on regemming haha

[chilly brook]

Isn’t that kinda like

Counterintuitive

[lyric laurel]

whats spell block

i dont see that anywhere

[chilly brook]

A talent

In the talent tree

[warm plinth]

It's on the same node as Tough as Nails

[chilly brook]

[lyric laurel]

and tanks run that?

[warm plinth]

In some dungeons, sure

[chilly brook]

Depends on the key

[violet flume]

i mean, if i make lariat, it's crafting the neck + illimited diamond gem, bracers is just craft bracers

[chilly brook]

And your situation

[chilly brook]

You’re spending gold either way

I doubt it’s a huge amount of gold saved

[distant crystal]

why would you not use a diamond without lariat tho

or do you just not have any sockets

[violet flume]

i am? I'm just saying if i make lariat and i have to get another diamond str/haste gem which might be more expensive than just making bracers. Could be wrong tho

[distant crystal]

it prob will be

[violet flume]

hmm seems like lariat would be 5k~ and bracers 8k~ but lariat would be 2x comissions so i guess it probably breaks even, i did have a guy ask me for 50k for diamond gem the other day tho lol

[south zealot]

cna just do public orders for the gems

usually takes a few tries tho

[chilly brook]

Uhhhh

Bruh find someone who will do it for free lol

I’ve had multiple people do it for free

I just tip them well

[ember sinew]

How many stacks of raz debuff do we want to swap off at?
1?

[proven crow]

Yes

Any more is just a ton of extra work for the healers.

[lusty tiger]

I present to you the first 4 person key:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hZVYWygXwdMptrm7/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[dusk wadi]

so is the puzzle box good for mythics or not really?

I have the rumbling ruby as my other trinket and im trying to find a best on use to pair it with

[median tulip]

For M+? Windscar Whetstone.

[dusk wadi]

Copy that, i'll try and get that then. Thanks

[sharp steppe]

How long is SW CD with Defenders Aegis and AM without downtime? Like 2 mins?

[amber siren]

About 1 minute

Oh wait

1:30-2, yeah

[digital wyvern]

What’s an average uptime for shield block?

In a mythic run

[warm plinth]

It should be high but we don't really care about an exact number. You should have at least 90ish% blocked hits (only viewable in logs). That would mean your uptime would have to be quite high though.

[digital wyvern]

I see. Just ran RLP as a healer and the warrior was so squishy. Shield block uptime was 7% per Details

[warm plinth]

That's...a fucking yikes

[remote venture]

He mustn't not use SB at all...

[median tulip]

Depending upon talent selection, you can have effectively 100% SB uptime as long as you are in combat and generating Rage. 7% uptime is definitely a yikes. I had 86% overall uptime in a Nokhud I just did, and that includes the flying around time

[urban portal]

That’s called not having it bound

I have a feeling 7% all came from bolster

[stuck basin]

from shildcharge

[strong forum]

mad lad

[quiet monolith]

Weird question that probably is hard to answer... But what would you consider an acceptable hps on your healer in a fortified av 20? I had a really painful run yesterday just getting melted to the ice thrower dudes and other mobs

Even with shield wall going, and my healer at end of instance has about 27k hps overall

[warm plinth]

Not really answerable. Enough to keep you alive while you're playing properly.

[quiet monolith]

Yea I guess I just don't know / see what I apparently could have been doing wrong

Those dudes aren't reflect able and most routes have you taking multiple ones in

On

[warm plinth]

Well if yo'ure looking at overall for the dungeon, that's not just you

That's everyone

[quiet monolith]

Right I know

Seemed very low

My personal healing was about 20k overall

His overall to whole group was 27

[warm plinth]

I did a 20 AV the other day and my healer did about 26k HPS

[quiet monolith]

Hm. maybe we didn't have good stops on the ice chuckers

I don't know how to post mortem figure out why I was dying

[warm plinth]

Do you have logs?

[quiet monolith]

Let me check if my buddy was logging

Looks like a no

There isn't so e trick to surviving those ice chuckers other than spell reflect for the reduction and IP stack/shield wall right ?

Other than the party trying to stagger their casts and stop them from shotgunning me three at a time ?

[amber siren]

The crystal furys? Spell block is an option

[warm plinth]

No he's talking about the vault guards that do ice cutter

[quiet monolith]

No ice cutter is fine

I'm talking about the furies

Those are spell block able ?

[warm plinth]

I see...I thought you were talking about the ice cutter this entire time because the furies spell is called piercing shards...

You need to stop those.

[quiet monolith]

I assumed since it didn't reflect, spell block wouldn't help

[warm plinth]

Spell Block and Spell Reflection aren't remotely the same thing

The only thing they have in common is that they both reduce damage. Other than that, they function in two separate ways.

You should take a look at the reflect sheet in the pins

[sterile bough]

it does help

also shards themselves dont deal that much dmg

dot is bigger issue

[warm plinth]

Yeah your goal is to prevent them from stacking, and spell block won't help with the DoT

[quiet monolith]

I guess I incorrectly thought that spell block only applied to spells that were also reflect able

[warm plinth]

Nope, there is overlap sometimes, but there's a lot more that can be blocked than can be reflected.

[sick sentinel]

that's my biggest weakness probably besides caster mobs

don't reflect enough stuff properly

[dusky canopy]

SR still reduces the damage by 20% for 5 sec

Spell block lets you block them

[quiet monolith]

Correct, I just was confused about what was labeled as a spell

And thought hey, if I can't reflect this "spell"

[dusky canopy]

Cheers

😄

[quiet monolith]

Then "spell block"

Wouldn't work either

Which I now know is wrong

[sleek echo]

ive just been looking through rotation guides for prot, there is not really much mention as to when ss takes precedence over thunder clap? is it below 3 targets? and does outburst procs change anything? i dont want to be pressing ss if its better on that number of targets to use tc

[shy python]

There also is a WA which lights up when a reflectable spell is cast on you.

[round pendant]

With avatar or outburst, it's 5 targets to start using thunder clap over ss

[sleek echo]

oh wow. a lot more then i though then. ty

[round pendant]

SS gives a lot of rage and rage is more valuable damage-wise

[quiet monolith]

And to feed ip

[indigo gulch]

i thinking of gearing a off dps spec for my warior is arms or fury better?

[quiet monolith]

Do you have a link to the WA? I've downloaded several, and the pinned out, and it never does anything. I've loaded it multiple times and it just doesn't make any visible icon or sound

[dusky canopy]

Fury is considered easier of the two

[cinder storm]

I enjoy arms more

[dusky canopy]

but arms uses prot stats

[indigo gulch]

hmmm ok

[dusky canopy]

you can play your preference theyre both pretty even

[indigo gulch]

i have yet to dps in this patch

thinking of playing a little dps for a change once in a while.

[quiet monolith]

Arms much more difficult but find it way more.enjoyable

[dusky canopy]

woo guys did lfg get an update?

i can see class roles now?

[cinder storm]

No, still the same for me, maybe you updated an addon/wa?

[dusky canopy]

oh it must be premade group filters then

[shy python]

You can use a Weakaura for that

[digital jetty]

Frog skip 🅰️ or no frog skip 🅱️ ? Which is faster this week?
Vote below please 😄

[dusky canopy]

ive actually grown very fond of frogs now that they have less health

i was previously on the opposite side of that argument

😄

[cinder storm]

It really depends if you have a group or no, dps timing

[dusky canopy]

you can do frogs in 3 pulls

[digital jetty]

I hate frogs, always try to do the skip, but it seems slow now

[cinder storm]

My usual route is, kill last boss, backtrack, mindsoothe dragon, pull room all the way to bottom of stair, blast

[dusky canopy]

ring trash feels like a slog

[quiet monolith]

I pull all of third boss room, and then do as little frogs as possible

Skip as much of second ring as I can

The exception is if we have gnarly DPS and good stops

[cinder storm]

I'd skip most of first ring if I could

[quiet monolith]

Then I'll do the whole first and second ring

[cinder storm]

those big adds are annoying

[shy python]

There you go 🙂

[dusky canopy]

thats all you need from ring

if youre doing frogs

you also have to pull everything before 1st boss

[cinder storm]

I only do one frog room, so I take everything there

might consider changing it tho for some weeks

[dusky canopy]

nothing wrong with that either

routes in AV very alot

even in the mdi

xD

[cinder storm]

yeah, rock guys aren't hard, as long as people are willing to help

but....dps brain

[sick sentinel]

well that sucks

[dusky canopy]

the 4 pack of shards is scary in pugs

you never know what youre going to get

[sick sentinel]

i went to make an obsidian key

bags are full

materials delete

key doesn't appear, key doesnt mail to me lol

only have to kill like maybe 20 mobs, but, damnit

proof i got scammed

[eager phoenix]

Frogs are by far the most efficient trash in the dungeon in terms of count/hp and have literally 0 mechanics. With priest in group it’s no brainer as you can soothe 1st breaker and last 2. Only week I’d consider skip is bolstering.

[loud shoal]

do prot warrior abilities scale with weapon dmg or nah

[sick sentinel]

you want the highest ilvl weapon equipped possible regardless of anything else, exact same logic goes for shield

unless its a best in slot item, strike twice 421 or if some 424 weapon exists

if i swap between a 411 ilvl valor sword and 402 crafted mace, my SS goes dmg 200 dmg and my TC 150

[restive crown]

i am planning to boost either a blood dk or a prot pld.. been playing prot war only since wotlk..

any one has any insight which would b easier for me to pick up?

[sullen gust]

I've been levelling both and I'd say probably paladin, it feels quite similar, where Dk is very much its own style

[mortal brook]

yes ofc. weapon damage gets an attack power conversion and our abilities are AP based

[high basalt]

@sick sentinel hey mate yesterday when you looked at my logs I was over capping on rage a lot so should when I have a flood of rage come in pump it into ip and spam revenge keeping tc on cd yeah? Cheers mate

And not ss obviously because that’s generating more rage.

[mortal brook]

SS stays prio

[uncut helm]

You need to spend it, so throw it at IP and shield slam again. Using shield slam as much as possible is ideal. Since it's about the only real damage you get.

Shield slam is damage, resource gen, mitigation, and allows resets to have value.

[cinder storm]

Using your skills and rage works like a feedback loop, the more you use the more you press and the more avatars you get

[sick sentinel]

SS outbursts are important because it puts gas in the tank so to say it

[cinder storm]

someone pin this

[timber wasp]

Anyone else every wish pugs just were better at the game

[mortal brook]

ive had a wild amount of zdps healers this week

[timber wasp]

Healer isnt the issue, wtf is a 404 feral doing on 27k, and a 403 hunter doing on 33k

That bottom hunter is 376 ilv

[acoustic fjord]

would being an engineer give me some sort of edge?

[high basalt]

@uncut helm hey mate what if ip if full still pump rage into ignore pain?

[dusky canopy]

to prevent capping rage yes

otherwise pres revenge

[hallow phoenix]

I will never not have my combat rez. Has saved so many keys where shit hits the fan

[acoustic fjord]

is the rez still 50% chance of being effective?

[hallow phoenix]

I've never failed it but I have specialization in inventions/tinkers

Have used it maybe 8 times in keys past two weeks

[indigo wharf]

Full point in gadgets thread will prevent fail if i remember right

[daring marlin]

Weird considering it's a zzz week for them!

mfs on autopilot

[high basalt]

@dusky canopy silly question but if ip is at full surely it’s waste to pump rage into it? Revenge would be better option always yeah?

[acoustic fjord]

sweet. thank you

[acoustic fjord]

thank you

[stable valve]

Revenge is on the GCD and IP isn’t.
You press revenge if SS and TC are on CD and you press IP to prevent overcapping rage when SS and TC are available (since it’s off GCD)

You don’t care if IP shield is max. Not wasting rage is more important

[high basalt]

@stable valve thanks mate perfect I totally understand that 👍😎👍

[dusky canopy]

spending rage gives you CDR

thats why you do it

[round pendant]

I really want them to buff bitter immunity

and maybe put it in a better spot in the tree

[high basalt]

@dusky canopy thanks mate all making sense now at last 🤣👍😎

[tropic gorge]

tjs16

every time i think i'm doing well, my logs kick me square in the dick

back at it i go

details shows 85% jesus

that's quite a large discrepancy

[toxic pewter]

You running itf

[jagged pier]

Well number 1 logs take in travel time details doesnt
Number 2 we dont care about uptime blocked hits only

[paper fjord]

Is prot nowhere as strong as it was at the beginning of expansion? Took a big break and now coming back

[jagged pier]

No its the same

Most of the other tanks are also the same

Just ppl arent ignore them now

[modern brook]

Baby mode got nerfed by 5%

🤷

[paper fjord]

Oh maybe i should ask is it still good and fun, unlike shadowlands when i got sometimes declined because people didnt want a warrior

[toxic pewter]

I never got declined in shadowlands

I’ve never had issues with declines I only pug too

[paper fjord]

See its funny i didnt have problems joining 15+ etc but get declined on 5+ and whispers no warrior xdd

[jagged pier]

Yer because thats how it works the lower u go the more they follow the meta cause lower keys are harder than higher meys

Literally because players are worse and think meta means something

[paper fjord]

Yeah sadly, oh from what i see most of the thanks are really good rn, amazing^^

[jagged pier]

The counter to all that tho is make tour group and so your key 🤷

[violet flume]

declined on +5 because geared tanks are running low keys for bonus valor imo

[toxic pewter]

The key to becoming the tank you envision within your mind, just like life, is to pick a class you enjoy and have fun playing. Then continue on your path forward, all external community perception/declines are irrelevant. Cease exporting your choices to the external. Continue on your path and all will become clear.

Only compare yourself to the person you were yesterday

[green kayak]

fortune cookie wisdom hell yeh

[toxic pewter]

They’re in the cookie for a reason

Anyone that brings up tier lists or meta i immediately have a visceral reaction. I think “my god this individual is very insecure.” Look within. The meta is a facade.

[tropic gorge]

thanks to you guys and lurking in here i'm a lot better now than i've ever been while playing this game

and bam, 2200 io

[clever heart]

hey prot gods.
two questions:
1- why dont more prot warriors from raider io that i check take the Bloodborne talent ? they often take Punish, but mathematically it seems 10% of each dot would do alot more than 10% shield slam. Is the 3-9% addtional dr on ONE target really worth that much?
2- im noticing alot of prot warriors moving a lot of their crit into their verse. like haste= 5k verse= 3k crit= 1.3k and mastery =1.8k. is this better stat prio than having more crit less haste now ? IK it all is dependent on sims + key lvl + personal preference. Just curious different people's opinions. I have 3800 crit lol.

[fresh igloo]

crit is more offensive than vers. if you're pushing super high tyrannical keys maybe you need that extra tiny bit of survival. for the average person haste/crit will take you where you need to go.

iirc the buff to bleed talent is more common in raid builds than M+, where you have a single target up for a long time

[tropic gorge]

i like the DR punish gives

[slim dove]

Punish is giga you'd be trolling not taking it.

Only thing that remotely threatens us in dungeons are bosses, unless your doing mdi style pulls.

[tropic gorge]

im gonna try elemental chaos flasks instead of vers

i thought about charged isolation but that would be 100% comp dependant, and a mele meta makes it kinda a bad idea i think

maybe next season charged will be a bit better than it is now

[slim dove]

Imo the eye of the storm flask is BIS for keys

[tropic gorge]

ill try that after this rlp run

[high basalt]

On details what should vanguards determination be roughly for m+? Ty guys

Uptime I mean 👍

[slim dove]

80%+

[minor forge]

Can you use both a rune and a whetstone at the same time?

[distant crystal]

no

[shut needle]

Guys I have a warrior and a pally tank 70, considering the current changes in the classes and the nexts to come, which one should I play if I want to play the meta tank

[lime urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[minor forge]

Using whetstone atm
Could rune be better?

[slim dove]

Play what your better at.

[slim dove]

Rune? Refresh my memory.

[drifting lance]

what's the difference between heavy repercussions and into the fray?

seen people running both, so i'm wondering if there's a clear choice between them

[cloud umbra]

Into the fray without a ton of haste you can’t have 100% shield block uptime. Heavy repercussions is a fail safe for that

[drifting lance]

i've been playing into the fray mostly

and i do see shield block dropping sometimes for 1-2 globals, though infrequently

[cloud umbra]

Yea it’s gunna have gaps. And could land during bad times

Do you log your m+ runs?

[drifting lance]

i don't have alot of logged warrior runs

most of my logged runs are on my dk

[slim dove]

Generally speaking, HR for m+, ITF in raid. You can't afford downtime on shield block in m+.

1-2 globals can be enough for you to get dunked.

[drifting lance]

what are you interested in looking for?

[cloud umbra]

To show the blocked %. Ppl I’ve seen running ITF only block like 60%-70% of hits and not realize it

[drifting lance]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cYNHDXqpF8vGWThV#fight=2&type=damage-done

[high basalt]

@slim dove no matter how I play I can never seem to get above 60-65 on details? 91 on sb and 88 on ip?

[drifting lance]

this was one of my very first prot warr keys

so it's going to look worse than what i do now

[cloud umbra]

85% isnt bad

but drops in block when you are in a 6-7 pack of mobs

is fatal

[slim dove]

Look at % blocked hits.

[distant crystal]

i would guess haste runes are best but not sure

you can sim to compare

[drifting lance]

yea its a shield wall or backpedal before it happens angle

from what i've been able to tell

[crisp surge]

so need help on 20key temple 3rd boss

[tropic gorge]

ok yeah, eye of the storm flask is prob >>>>>>>> elemental chaos

[high basalt]

@slim dove where can I find that mate and what’s that going to tell me? Thanks 🙏

[cloud umbra]

Look in the pins and come up with a cd plan to cover 5-6 jade hits.

[tropic gorge]

nm

found it

[high basalt]

That on details mate?

[slate idol]

hi guys hows it going

fairly new to prot, 400 ilvl 4/8 heroic, any good tips going forward?

[mortal brook]

give logs for targeted feedback!

[slim dove]

Pins

^^

[jagged pier]

damage taken > melee row > hits column

hover over it

[high basalt]

@jagged pier that on details mate?

[jagged pier]

no

logs only

[high basalt]

Ok no Ty mate will look now. How is blocked hits gonna tell me why my vanguards determination is only around 65% mate?

[round pendant]

low Vanguard's Determination just means you're not pressing Revenge enough

[high basalt]

@round pendant yeah i know no matter how I play can’t get it above 65% I have sb 91% and ip 88%

[round pendant]

just track it with a WA

[pallid quiver]

You're going into it with the wrong idea; we don't care about IP uptime. It'll be up when it's up. What's likely gappening is that you're overprioritizing IP, meaning you generate less rage due to pressing revenge less, which can proc Shield Slam

[jagged pier]

meh came mid way through the convo

dont know why u would care about tier set

[pallid quiver]

(i did too but)

On top of that, that

I don't even track either of those because they're not relevant to anything

Vanguard or IP

They're just rotational buffs

[round pendant]

ye, low determination just means you're prob pressing IP too much

[high basalt]

Thanks guys appreciate your time 👍👍

[light fulcrum]

do we flask eye of the storm or galcial Fury?

[jagged pier]

i just vers flask tbh its cheap and better than galcial in m+ and behind eye but best in raid

cba minmaxing something thats like 3 dps

[drifting lance]

spell block works on dark claw right

[round pendant]

yessir

[drifting lance]

does it work on 3rd boss too?

[round pendant]

yes

it lasts for two kicks if you do it near the end of the first cast

:)

[drifting lance]

2both phases?

[mortal brook]

yes

[sand drum]

@strong forum just wondering about opener with Torch ? do we do same opener as you said last:
"ravager->charge+avatar->demo shout+SB->roar->sc+IP->SS+IP->TC"
or did I misunderstand :> ?

cus rn I do Avatar into Torch on pull and then charge in :p

[slate idol]

curious why u cast ravager before charge+avatar

[round pendant]

The damage ticks still get buffed by avatar/etc

so it saves a gcd

pretty sure that's the logic

[ember tangle]

I dont think torch is buffed by avatar though

[round pendant]

It's not

Talking about ravager

[strong forum]

dont do torch after avatar

[ember tangle]

Yes, he said he used avatar into torch

[strong forum]

you just send torch before everything

[round pendant]

Yeah I wasn't answering that guy tho

[ember tangle]

I was

[sand drum]

so it does not get buffed by avatar ? or whats the thought process ?

I know its just math and numbers but :p sry to interrupt stream :p

[round pendant]

It's not buffed by avatar

[cinder storm]

it's buffed by the death of your teammates

[sand drum]

why I always put aoe on teammates ;>

[mighty valley]

trinkets are basically never affected by personal buffs

[last mason]

sanguine is realy awful

[sick sentinel]

depends on context, but geeneraly it does suck ya

[last mason]

theres no room to kite anything in most of the dungeons

and there are way too many things to kick to not be melee range of mobs

and in shit like cos and AV u can only kite in 1 direction bc of the frontals

[amber siren]

sanguine definitely sucks a lot less with specific comps w/ knockbacks

just interrupts doesn't cut it anymore

[last mason]

its another affix that is outdated with how complex these dungeons already are

[amber siren]

i think the affix is fine in the dungeons and the complexity, just specific mobs are extremely hard to outplay and obviously weren't designed with the affix in mind

which sums up every affix pretty much

[last mason]

bro watching a crystal fury sit in sanguine while it free casts piercing shards is going to make me blow a blood vessel

[pallid quiver]

I'd still prefer affixes go to hell and they just scale the dungeon harder or something

Or have an interesting seasonal affix or something

[drifting lance]

where do i see this in logs

nvm i am blind i just found it

[sick sentinel]

i wonder if those SBG gloves are a low drop rate

[round pendant]

is there a crit/haste chestpiece

or would I have to get one crafted

[sick sentinel]

you have the other 4 set peices?

[round pendant]

ye

[sick sentinel]

says one of those crit haste chest is in COS

[round pendant]

oh yeah inferno breastplate

I want it

[sick sentinel]

one in TJS too, same crit haste, cos if you want haste more, tjs for more crit

[hazy sluice]

what pot for m+ do u use in the 22-23range?

[minor forge]

Do I gamble vault on prot for one hc slot in hope of all totem trinket
Or just go arms (3 vault slots of 418 there) for whetstone
I have one hand and shield at 418

[sick sentinel]

damn, i have to run those 5 tw still

[drifting lance]

https://i.imgur.com/KKp33qo.png

is this normal

[amber siren]

can be, depends on what the hits were

[drifting lance]

can i just drop the log

[amber siren]

yeah that's np

[drifting lance]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NcZMrTv1GxBRQXqV/#fight=last&type=summary&source=5

[jagged pier]

stop playing barbaric training

[slim dove]

Fr are people complaining about sanguine in here

[drifting lance]

forgot i even had that talented tbf

[strong forum]

the worse part is

youre not playing seismic, but barbaric

[jagged pier]

^

[drifting lance]

forgive me overlords

for i have sinned

[jagged pier]

the wasted rage can be worked on and you breakdown is wack

[strong forum]

first person ive seen to not run seismic

[drifting lance]

i frequently find myself rage capped with a full IP

[slim dove]

So press IP more.

[strong forum]

thats when you press more IP

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-frustrating-stitch-disney-lilo-and-stitch-gif-4412782

[drifting lance]

that's what im doing

[slim dove]

more

[drifting lance]

should be pressing it more i assume

ya

[strong forum]

yes

you wasted 6% of rage

[fresh igloo]

IP is your rage relief valve. doesn't matter how full the absorb is.

[strong forum]

goal should be <1%

and on bosses youre frequently rage starved

because of BT

[drifting lance]

ya

repercussions feels like it helps in ST

battering ram aswell

[strong forum]

yes

thats the main reason why theyre picked

because theyre super good on bosses

[drifting lance]

ya

pretty nice on trash too, no longer get that 1-2 globals of no block sometimes

[strong forum]

yes

im glad it took the community only 3 months to catch onto that!

[drifting lance]

i've been playing prot for like

idk a dozen or so keys only

so new to most concepts

[strong forum]

im not saying you, but like

until a few weeks ago, most people even on high keys still feely crafted to play ITF

[jagged pier]

everyone who comes in here then tells us we are wrong because x io player is playing somthing else

[slim dove]

But nommmm if Andy did it why shouldn't i

[jagged pier]

and we know nothing cause our io is low

[drifting lance]

coming from bdk

ik exactly what u mean

[jagged pier]

andy uses Nomes builds

[strong forum]

[cinder storm]

So blame Nome?

[drifting lance]

is there anything else i could be improving in particular

juding by that log

[strong forum]

most issues come from BT

[drifting lance]

what is BT again?

[strong forum]

barbaric training

[drifting lance]

ah

yeah

[strong forum]

its the reason why you underuse IP

[drifting lance]

yeah i just didn't even think of that talent being in there