protection

[sick sentinel]

have fun

[acoustic stone]

I mean if you want to get your holes pushed in just push higher keys

[uneven mason]

You mean the big silver dudes who have 100% avoidable damage? Or the mini boss that you shouldn't be stacking on during bolstering because we have more than 5 braincells

[heady sapphire]

bump

[karmic plinth]

icon will do better for your group than ruby

[uneven mason]

Ruby has 1ppm ya?

Sorry 1m CD for the dam

So probably icon

[amber siren]

if your group is running icon too then yeah

otherwise it's not that great

[rain light]

idk why pugs always lose their minds in hov

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y9VhmFTzay68xtnJ/#fight=last here's the log on the death i linked earlier

[rain light]

i got one shot by the bulls pull lol

like 800k

[sick sentinel]

i created the log earlier i just didnt link it until now, just the major death

and then, so i went to get the guys on far wall with pat, and then some how the remaning caster and 2 elites pulled

i calle them elites,, everything in m+ is an elite bassicall yes, i mean a brute that can probably solo a group

[quiet monolith]

do you taunt swap eranog just based on the stacks

or do you do it when add spawns on you?

for mythic

[naive panther]

Wait for red circle then taunt

easier that way

[quiet monolith]

so just taunt swap on the add circles dropping?

[ocean yoke]

Yeah it's simplest to do it when the circles go

[gloomy otter]

Speaking of eranog. Just ran it the first time last night. Was a kill but. As you said taunt swap when adds come out. It's that based on time or %

Assuming a static timer

[distant crystal]

i think it's all static timers there

[gloomy otter]

Roger

[strong forum]

eranog you just taunt whenever your tank debuff fades

[gloomy otter]

Yea we did that last night just seemed to get pretty chaotic

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

[naive panther]

you can taunt other times but i like to get the boss out of the fire areas, so if your co tank taunts before red circle, you could taunt it right back when he gets it, but then your stacks go up, if you let him just tank it you're going to have a bigger mess

i keep it moving along inner ring too, so that when add rings spawn you are on the outskirts of any flame crap on ground

well outskirts as in to the side of it, so no conflicts

[dusky canopy]

We just taunt whenever circles for adds go out

Haven’t had any issues

[icy cape]

quick question

How do you guys reset Burrowing Strike on mythic diurna

ads should just nuke them or HL and go away or whatever do we need to reset that ?

[dusty estuary]

when does diminishing returns start on crit?

[sick sentinel]

addon, true stat values

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/1082119935649652867/image.png

gives something the exact same for crit, just whatever the crit number is, i have to log in to see it

if i equip no embellishments, i get 5200 haste currently

[dusty estuary]

ty!

[errant marsh]

hello !
i have some problems of menace generation with my co-tank.
i'm a tank warrior and he is a monk tank.
it is not really possible for me to play at my maximum because i generate a lot more menace than him ...
i'm always in need to stop dps...
is it normal ? did something can help us ?

[sick sentinel]

addon claims 5400 is the tipping point

[light fulcrum]

Hey, does anyone here know how "swift stab" from centaurs in NO works? Cause my dds complained about getting hit, but I never dropped Aggro. Is it random?

[sick sentinel]

Unavoidable random dam

It’s a healer mechanic

Only from the war spear Mobs

would you guys wear 405 lariat or 405 companionship

[shy python]

Which are our most important 2nd stats for M+?

[sick sentinel]

i apparently don't hit my buttons in 16 and die

so i cant atm do 418

my other embellish cant really change cuz its ff belt for fire ring

[stable valve]

Haste is top then crit or vers (whatever sims highest usually crit unless you already have a shit ton of it)

[mighty valley]

If you take aggro first, it shouldn't be a problem since taunt equalizes aggro... if you're having to stop dps completely, your co-tank really needs to work on playing right

[sick sentinel]

i also have a crafted shield, which will be the first 418

[shy python]

And in terms of survivability? I still struggle with Jade boss in temple

[sick sentinel]

i made this today for future 418 one equipped is 411, so this one collects dust for a bit

[errant marsh]

I really have the impression that the war generates much more aggro than the monk ...

[south zealot]

warrior always struggles on that boss

[uneven mason]

Ehhhh

Gotta preplan the CDs

Ask for externals

[shy python]

hmm okay

[shy python]

Does 130 rage help? Spamming IP

[stable valve]

“Play better”

3rd boss TJS is just hard for pwar though
Healer “dependent”

Stats won’t magically solve that though

[plush tendon]

no, your co-tank is doing something wrong on his end

ripping aggro off him on pull can happen (warrior CDs are very strong especially if they crit) but that should be the only scenario

Recommend to your co-tank that he needs to do some research, practice their rotation, and send theirs logs to the brewmasters disc or something to see if they can figure out what hes doing wrong

[dusty estuary]

what do you use to sim?

[stable valve]

Simulation craft addon + the raid bots website

[olive dock]

hey, i'm trying to figure out what to do with my last spark/ second embellishment. is it worth crafting a frostfire belt if i dont plan on raiding for the eranog ring?

[plush tendon]

frostfire is good on its own

the vers bracers also good

and good for arms to

[olive dock]

gotcha, thanks :D

[prisma crane]

most of us use lariat

and use the belt for our second embellishment

[plush tendon]

the only neck I would consider over lariat is the Mythic Dathea neck

[plush tendon]

without the raid rings, you dont need the frostfire belt, and if you multi spec the bracers might be better since arms and fury as far as I know dont use the raid rings

[prisma crane]

if we go off the very real likelihood that the embellishments are all minor at best to begin with and the difference between the two embellishments is a minor bit of that minor amount, then might as well pick the item that has potential to utilize the free dmg that comes from the eranog ring

imo

[echo egret]

In AV, is there any trick to not lose gigatons of time in the end rooms with the leaping frogs ?

[fresh igloo]

stun them during the jump cast, and/or bring ranged dps that doesn't need them to stay stacked up.

[sick sentinel]

i got a NO neck, 411 and TJS neck 411 to sit in when not wearing lariat, and then my wrists are from SBG (thats mastery haste, crit haste, haste versa stats on items)

[sick sentinel]

Groups have been forcing me to skip them by pulling whelp packs at the begining and then using the jump skip after boss 2

If you get to boss 2 with like 94% you’re golden

[plush tendon]

uh, are frogs really that slow?

cause I think thats fake news

[urban portal]

he is shit at the game

[tropic gorge]

As someone that deals with a paladin that does less threat than most dps, yeah. Shit at the game

If your even pushing buttons you shouldn't have threat problems in modern wow

But amazingly, some people do.

[urban portal]

tell him to taunt second

and it should be fine

you taunt boss on pull

he taunts off

then all the threat you just built went to him

[undone verge]

yeah cause you have a lot of threat at the start with all your cds, so when he taunts second, unless its super bad, you shouldnt be generating enough threat to pull off of him

[naive panther]

when you triple other tanks dps, or they taunt but don't press their buttons.... and you get it right back after a few seconds

[undone verge]

yes that is how threat works

[tropic gorge]

Low threat tanks hold guilds back from progressing.
Dps has to be lower to avoid pulling, ot spots have to also throttle back and fights are longer than they need to be.
All because some people don't know how to push buttons

[hybrid gust]

everybody want prot pal now 😦

[dusky canopy]

Never hold back for bad off tank

[tropic gorge]

Man I know of one you can have. Keep him away from my guild please. Dudes horrible.
And, to clarify. He's not just bad because he sucks at pushing buttons, he's bad because he ignores advice from other players that have been trying to help him. Myself included (even tho I'm trying to take his tank spot)

[dusky canopy]

It’s their problem if they cant hold threat

[cinder storm]

You can't, he's probably friend with the gm or someone else there

[tropic gorge]

He is. Last night the raid leader did some healing, a d after the mid break that dude was dps role and I stayed tank. I'm hoping he isn't gonna tank anymore

[dusky canopy]

Snatch the tank spot

Now is your chance

[tropic gorge]

Part of me respects honoring a deal to be friends and tank together.
Like, the man in me gets that.
The gamer in me however, can't stand it.

Brew I've been trying lol

My guild made prog last week. We are weeks and weeks behind because of the ppal player. We won't probably be able to catch up and clear heroic before seasons end I'm afraid. But hopefully going forward now this doesn't happen again

[lyric laurel]

why isnt there avatar in cooldowns for the wa if i make 1?

[cinder storm]

From my experience, those guilds would rather disband than tell a friend they suck

[dusky canopy]

I always hear my RL chuckling through the mic because I’m always like “hey can you taunt” “can you taunt again” “yo guy re taunt”

[tropic gorge]

I'm in a position where the guild raid times are really good for my irl schedule, and the people themselves are pretty cool, chill people. It's a fairly casual guild

[dusky canopy]

For the most part almost all heroic guilds are this way

[tropic gorge]

And, as you guys probably know getting a tank spot invite to a guild is extremely difficult.

[dusky canopy]

So you either take the plung and grind your way into a mythic guild

[acoustic fjord]

can someone explain what this means? Does that mean it can only reset every 8 seconds?

[dusky canopy]

Or you just deal with back packing some members

[tropic gorge]

Borderline impossible, as most tank slots are promoted from within (for totally understandable reasons)

[dusky canopy]

Yeah you either get super lucky and get recruited from a key or a pug

[strong forum]

its just backend shit

dont worry about it

[acoustic fjord]

okay ty <3

[dusky canopy]

Or otherwise offspec until you can snipe the spot

[strong forum]

has no effect on the game

10.1 Changes
Fueled by Violence buffed by ~40% - with that + current tierset waving goodbye there's a good chance that we stop playing Brutal Vitality

2pc buffed to 2sec LS reduction
4pc buffed to 20sec duration and damage buffed by 300% - gigantic buff and now seriously strong

[jagged pier]

u can literally just go to raider io or wow progress put your self up/ and apply to guys recruiting

ppl just cba to put in the work

[dusky canopy]

Oh you are absolutely correct

[jagged pier]

yes it sucks but if u look daily sooner or later a tank spot will come up

[hazy sluice]

Any1 else experience that after the second fissure the vexamus tank buster hits unusual hard ?

[lyric laurel]

Can someone pls give me an avatar off cooldown wa, this one is just text

[jagged pier]

and also dont half ass the application

[cinder storm]

overlap

[dusky canopy]

I want more damage

BLIZZARD

Bears ahead

Fix

[tropic gorge]

I can out aoe the bear tank in my guild. It's kinda glorious. Requires the CD stack sending, but winning is winning

[dusky canopy]

If ya ain’t first yer last

[strong forum]

just means the bear isnt playing to top level

[tropic gorge]

To quote a great poet of our age "it doesn't matter if you win by and inch or a mile. Winning is winning"

[dusky canopy]

Rip

[tropic gorge]

Haha

[strong forum]

never be satisfied

always

[tropic gorge]

I never am. I'm always trying to improve and be and do better

[dusky canopy]

True

[undone verge]

if you get satisfied you get complacent you get worse you fall behind

you get threat ripped off you

[dusky canopy]

Usually you perform worse on a challenge youve already overcome

Why do you think that is

[tropic gorge]

I have a Bounty running with an evoker guy I raid with. If he can pull agro off any st encounter I'll give him 10k gold and his repair bills for that nights raid

He's taken the challenge somewhat seriously and it's all kinds of fun between us lol

[dusky canopy]

Unless you never stop pushing

[tropic gorge]

Last night he peaked at 185k one of those dragon trash mobs before the 2nd boss

He never even came close to threat warnings, let alone pulling

[tropic gorge]

Some people get that mindset of "I've done this before it's easy so I'll chill"

Then suddenly, bam. Reality check coming in hot

[dusky canopy]

Exactly what I was getting at yup

[trim breach]

Wish I actually knew about this discord sooner lol

Was wanting to talk about using some macros

[strong forum]

then youre gonna be disappointed

[dusky canopy]

[trim breach]

lmfao

[dusky canopy]

Beat me to it nom

Lmao

“Should I macr…”

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

[tropic gorge]

Potions into avatar, ss into ip. Ezpz. Well, some pots. My avatar potion macro is for the cauldron potions. I'll manually use paid for pots

[high basalt]

Hey guys anyone got a buff list of uptimes of a dungeon please just so I can roughly see if I’m keeping ip and sb and the 2 set up enough please. Ty guys

[strong forum]

SB as close to 100% as possible

IP is situational

but also usually >80++% with optimal play

[trim breach]

Oh its not a complicated question. I was just wondering if there is a set of wording to prioritize 1 ability first and use the other when that one is on CD.

Using shield charge and charge together.

Im able to tie them together but I lose one regular charge.

[strong forum]

nah dont combine buttons

[high basalt]

@strong forum on details mate I have sb 89% ip 79% and the 2 set 58% that’s quite bad isn’t it?

[strong forum]

except the 1 macro i explained in pins if you scroll down

[tropic gorge]

Charge and shield charge would easily over cap rage in situations

[strong forum]

hard to say anthing about that, 2pc should be 80%+

logs provide alot more info

[high basalt]

@strong forum I have 22% haste is this enough to be able to keep the buffs up mate?

[strong forum]

if you play HR, yes

[dusky canopy]

Charge>avatar/potion/trinket/SS>DS>SC>TC and a bunch of iP

Could it be better?

[high basalt]

Hr?

[strong forum]

heavy repercussions

[strong forum]

whats thats supposed to be

[trim breach]

I see the macro ure talking about. Your a all out button man then

[dusky canopy]

Like general use opener

[strong forum]

nah

[dusky canopy]

Oh and pre ravages before charge

[tropic gorge]

Ravager is absolutely glorious

[strong forum]

ravager->charge+avatar->demo shout+SB->roar->sc+IP->SS+IP->TC

for max dmg

[dusky canopy]

Oh LOL

Roar

[tropic gorge]

You'll probably have to use ip between demo and roar

[strong forum]

for boss opener you obv send SS first before demo shout

[dusky canopy]

Duh

[strong forum]

obv use IP as needed

[tropic gorge]

And after that 2nd ss

[strong forum]

youll need to use IP after demo shout

already

and again after shield charge

altho, no

u have SB after demo shout

[dusky canopy]

Yeah basically on it’s own gcd you press it in the opener

[strong forum]

so you then IP after SC

[dusky canopy]

IP

[tropic gorge]

That's usually called "off the global"

Sb, ip, shield wall etc that don't get triggered by the global cd

[dusky canopy]

I’ve been roaring way to late

Thanks for the fix

What’s the highest SS cpm log you’ve seen?

[tropic gorge]

Roar is extremely powerful and oh so good

[dusky canopy]

My highest SS cpm achieved is 21.8 Idr witch boss I know that’s sorta high I’m just curious what’s the highest you’ve seen

[tropic gorge]

What's cpm

[strong forum]

casts per minute

[tropic gorge]

Oops

I'm in work mode my brain kept thinking cents per minute lol

[patent osprey]

Im booning

[strong forum]

all kicks have been nerfed by 1 second

all melee kicks lockout for 3 seconds now, even rogue

[dusky canopy]

[strong forum]

all ranged kicks are 5second lockout instead of 6

mostly only relevant for pvp

pve wont change as the mobs spells have inherent CDs

[patent osprey]

I cannot stop playign boon since I got a mythic one kek

[strong forum]

record to beat in AA is 116k by shuh 😄

[patent osprey]

at what lvl?

[strong forum]

26

[patent osprey]

shiet

[strong forum]

yeah

the man went HAM

[patent osprey]

Well mine was in a pug

so Thats like minus 20k

[strong forum]

yeah ok that changes it alot

[median tulip]

and they don't school-lock even if the mob has two spells of the same school

[patent osprey]

😛

[dusky canopy]

He says “sheit”

No kidding

[strong forum]

my record is 107k, but was only 16

in 21 i only did 87k 😦

couldnt slam on lashers, hunter stole all the pad

and tree died before 2nd adds

[dusky canopy]

Wait wouldn’t boon get you stunned on lashers?

[strong forum]

if you time it well

and pull all 3 at the same time

[patent osprey]

the trick is to pull all 3 lasher packs at a simliar time

[strong forum]

you have an 11sec window or smth

to boon

[patent osprey]

Then u have enough time to BOON

🙂

[sick sentinel]

when is 10.1

[strong forum]

may/june

[dusky canopy]

Always tomorrow

[sick sentinel]

ahh not for a while

[dusky canopy]

We just haven’t landed the right one yet

I gave my co tank boon and kept Greif torch

I’m regretting

[strong forum]

idk i stopped playing boon after like 1 week

[dusky canopy]

They dropped and I won both in the same night

[strong forum]

its so hard to make it worth

[sick sentinel]

did these for dungeons this week, really wanted to try to beat 16 hov, it wasn't working

[dusky canopy]

Yeah that’s why I gave mine away

[patent osprey]

Just pull for your boon 🙂 its what ive been doing kek

[prisma crane]

you can do it man, just gotta believe, and wait for good candidates to sign up

[strong forum]

3min CD icky

😦

prefer all-totem, thats more fun

[dusky canopy]

Is the play with grieftorch to use it before charge so you’re at range?

[strong forum]

you can also just pair it with shieldwall

its only 2second channel

[dusky canopy]

It’s been in my bags for a few weeks

I’m stuck on the whetstone/hoof combo

[strong forum]

doesnt hurt to just try it

[sick sentinel]

i prefer 0 second channel spells

[strong forum]

youll find windows once you need to think about it

[sick sentinel]

0.0 to be specific

[strong forum]

i got 421 icon last week

but my overalls sucked when i used it over whetstone

not a fan

whetstone+all-totem

same since week1

heroic

i dont raid

is boring

im like 419 anyway, good enough

almost at simcap

id use grief+totem

more damgur cuz str

408

better than any other trinket, only beaten by 421 totem

except for pure pad ofc, then boon is king ofc

[queen canopy]

HI Y'all, in AOE situations when Avatar is active, should I be prioritizing revenge or shield slam in between Thunder claps? If I'm not low on rage

probably revenge?

[strong forum]

usually in a pull theres a prio target that has to die

so you as a tank speed up the pull by going abit more single target

but yes, if theres no prio target, and rage is not an issue whatsoever, you spam revenge and TC

[dusty estuary]

what is the max % or amount of parry you can have?

[prisma crane]

no max

not a relevant thing to track

[dusty estuary]

ty

[prisma crane]

imo at least

we just get a bunch via crit

[strong forum]

Parry DRs just like other stats

[dusty estuary]

when does DR start with parry?

[strong forum]

I can only say earlier than other stats and it DRs harder but I don't have a number at hand

I just know I myself like to hover around 30%

[prisma crane]

please dont take this the wrong way, because other than being curious, why does it matter where the DR is?

[dusty estuary]

just so im not doing myself a disservice trying to stack a stat after DR

[prisma crane]

but like

[strong forum]

You're exceedingly likely

To not have hit DR yet

[prisma crane]

we dont have unlimited gear choices

or unlimited stats

[strong forum]

It's 5.1k haste or crit

Before you hit first DR

Or 6k vers

And we don't care about the first DR threshold, we care about the 2nd

Which arent reachable unless you forego tierset and fire rings

[dusty estuary]

heres my stats

[prisma crane]

well my thought is also that, similar to vers for DR, unless you're hitting 100% DR or 100% parry, more is better but the exact number and a minor DR to gain doesnt matter

you cant count on parry unless its 100%

[strong forum]

Again

Hover over the stats to see how much haste/crit value you have

The first threshold is 5100 for haste and crit, and we only stop getting more of those if they're at ~7100

[dusty estuary]

im still stacking haste and crit on my stats

[prisma crane]

[sick sentinel]

is it normal that im constantly in danger of overcapping rage?

[pallid quiver]

Hit IP more

But yeah, you should be getting a good margin of rage, more than you can spend with just Revenge alone

Hence why whenever someone comes in here asking whether to prio Revenge or IP, we just say both

[rain light]

never going to time this key

[fresh igloo]

at 80%? ouch.

[sick sentinel]

mage popped lust for some reason right before odyn, valor farm key baby one tho

[clever heart]

can someone explain why Barbaric training is bad?
i understand the idea that mathematically you are increasing the cost by 50% to increase the damage by 25%. but i thought / feel that because we are limited how many GCD's we can do in a span of seconds it could still be good. but i dont see high prots taking it.

especially with seismic reverb.

[sick sentinel]

some dude put in trade chat he can do the lariat and i sent it to him i think he feel asleep

[karmic plinth]

makes keeping up tier bonus harder

[median tulip]

Interesting:

[urban portal]

because we are not limited by GCDs currently

its not shadowlands

[sick sentinel]

w

im in business now

[slim dove]

Am I blind or do we have no changes at all slated for 10.1?

[lavish oracle]

none that have been announced, afaik

I'm sure a lot more classes will get changes as the PTR cycle goes on

but also, we're in a good spot for the most part so we're probably pretty far down on the priority list

[sick sentinel]

I wanted to do a gem, and some guy got upset something about i set to rank 3 so he has to garuntee it to be that ?? i don't understand and also that "100gold is way too low and i must be new to crafting"

for a gem that i'll probably socket and forget about forerver

[median tulip]

What gem were you asking for?

[sick sentinel]

he wants me to do 1000g per tap of a rng chance at 3 star lol

im going for

[median tulip]

Right

To get that as a Rank 3 you need to either proc inspiration, or use an Illustrious Insight

So the first is RNG, and the second uses BoP mats that are in VERY limited supply per week

[sick sentinel]

those are 50 mettles for BS per

[median tulip]

Yeah, and you only get like 130 per week

[sick sentinel]

i had a bunch like around 10, used them, i can get morei guess i see what hes saying

[median tulip]

I have my own JC; it was quite expensive to level up, but so worth it

[sick sentinel]

smithing and engineer is plenty expensive as it is

[median tulip]

I also have smithing

and I have an inscriber, an alchemist, a tailor and all 3 gathering profs

oh and a LW

[sick sentinel]

well, my dk is a mining guy at the very least

is it important that the gem i get for lariat (primary stat) is rank 3?

Would you guys recommend the Allied Wristguard of companship or the Difficult Wrist protectors?

[median tulip]

The Allied Wristguards are pretty decent. IDK about the other ones. Ultimately all embellishments are about the same, really (roughly 1%)

[sick sentinel]

The other ones are the Brez wrists

If the stat boost from the allied wristguards isnt super noticable I would prefer the brez but did not know if the stat boost was very important or not

[surreal thunder]

when putting a stat on a crafted helm, i go for haste over vers right?

[mighty valley]

unless your rage income is super high (from CDs or a bunch of targets giving bloodsurge procs) you'll find yourself draining yourself of rage pretty bad if you run the talent, and draining that bad can mean missed GCDs, which means missed SS resets

[vale ravine]

how good is the Alchemist stone trinket for prot warrior

[warm plinth]

No secondary is valued over haste

[warm plinth]

It's alright but nothing special. Not something I'd spend a spark on tbh

[lone eagle]

dunno if you're doing it

but its worth pulling boss away from add spawn

small thing but actually makes a big diff on handling the add on odyn

which helps transition a lot

because as you run from the succ you just run to the add, charge to it kick it and kill it while waiting

[vale ravine]

oh ok yeah I was debating on getting one

[sick sentinel]

we got roses on our new shields

i don't fully understand, but, okay

[cinder storm]

Leveling a pala for S2, I can see why the tank is cool to play, it lets you think and play for other 4 players

[sick sentinel]

paladin is interesting

[slow token]

We thinking Warriors will be top in 10.1 still

[pallid quiver]

they're not even top now

haven't even been top the entire time

[slim dove]

Unless your pushing top 0.1% keys, it doesn't matter.

[slow token]

I dunno them bears

[astral harbor]

this trinket is good to Prot ?

better than this 402 ?

[cinder storm]

Sim it, deco is meh

[hushed hearth]

Anybody know what causes the random 400k autos from mythic kurog. Is the knockback sometimes counting as turning your back or osmething ?

[urban portal]

if you have logs it would be great

[hushed hearth]

sec ill get em gathered up our prot and brewmaster are randomly getting 460k autos

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NAV7bQCfv3jKw8Hc/#fight=42&type=damage-taken

last 3 pulls in p1

the last pull the autos from the add went form 100k to 300k on the prot warrior not sure whats causing it

Nvm apparently the big add enrages

Didnt know that ha

[undone verge]

well for one thing he had 78% block hits

and yeah probably the add enraged

[warm plinth]

Imagine having shield block up 🙃

But yeah this just looks like enraged add

[undone verge]

you can live the enraged add, like I was eat that mfker for like 15% on our pulls enraged, but you can also just kite it

[undone verge]

I mean theres also a lot more to unpack here as to why his damage is so low

hes running thunderlord, which doesnt make much sense even though the fight is 2 target cleave. Still not worth

[cinder storm]

He also has a few gaps of SB while taunting

[undone verge]

yeah has 47% shield block uptime

[cinder storm]

He pressed IP more than SB

There's that

[undone verge]

true

did he rage starve himself tho

[cinder storm]

Looking from my phone wouldn't be surprised if that was the case

[undone verge]

ehhh, hes definitely low on rage, but its not horrible

[hushed hearth]

Ill pass on the feedback appreciate it gents.

[undone verge]

ok but I want to mention his apm is absolutely horrible, 45 CPM is incredibly low. Like I did 69 APM on that fight and thats low by standards

[hushed hearth]

Hes an old man i try not to judge him to hard 😂 But yeah ive noticed it

[fresh igloo]

it's always easier to carry a low dps than a healer or tank that is struggling imo

send'em to fury

[hushed hearth]

His positioning and mechanics are fairly good but he does struggle with the turbo prot rotation this expac. Also his first time tanking prog so im trying not to judge to harshly

[sand pebble]

are they fucking with shield slam resets in 10.1?

[ionic fern]

?

[ionic fern]

That doesn't look like SS resets.
More like a damage reduction aura that lasts for 8s (-15%).

Which is weird..

wtf.

[sand pebble]

yeah

[ionic fern]

Link

Post

[sand pebble]

looks like a ss reset will reduce ss damage for 8 secs

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-10-1-ptr-build-48460-datamined-class-spell-and-talent-changes-331769

right at bottom

[ionic fern]

Again..nothing to do with the reset.

Just SS.

OOOOH.

Okay.

I see what it is.

Seems that they added a new effect on SS..so it's like a debuff it applies to enemies.

Due to Shield Bash pvP talent.

I think at least.

[sand pebble]

ok cool i kinda freaked out for a sec

[ionic fern]

😂

Same, ngl.

But the numeric values do line up with the -15% and 8s

So i'd imagine that's what it is.

[strong forum]

Smh mwahi

[ionic fern]

[astral harbor]

to sim best trinket to DPS on M+, whats best sim option, dungeon slice ?

[strong forum]

I'd just sim patchwerk 5 targets 1.5min no lust, then a random number of targets for a prolonged time like 6-7 minutes

And then 1t 3min with Lust

And then draw parralels

[astral harbor]

Patchwerk 5 bosses you mean ?

[strong forum]

Yes

[shell mortar]

This is actually helpful ty

[shy python]

Heyho I could need some advice.
I'm on my way to +20 Dungeons and even +19 I find significantly harder to tank than +17/+18.

When do I start tanking in Def Stance?

And is the heal absorb shield from Jade Strike spellblockable?

[sick sentinel]

Personally, def stance helps me with any mobs that can come close to killing me through a defensive. The challenge from 19s and 20s seems to be going fast enough on my end.

Idk about jade strike. Didn't seem to work the last time I tried...

[jagged pier]

if your struggling at that key lvl it isnt really a stance issue tbh its more of a play issue. more likely your playing incorrectly if your struggle at 19-20 keys
and the initial hit is spellblockable but it wont do anything to help with the absorb which is the actual issue

[shy python]

Alright thanks 🙂

Ah one more question:

I'm at very high crit chance right now (near 35%) and only 20% haste. Is this a big deal or should I go for more haste/vers?

[jagged pier]

u should try for more haste

vers doesnt matter

but your stats arent holding u back

they hardly mean anything

[shy python]

Okay thanks!

[solar shadow]

my 395 warr is 2500 what do i do next

[sweet summit]

log off

[jagged pier]

^^

[solar shadow]

should i craft items

whirlwind resets IP right

[ionic fern]

Don't WW.

No.

Wait, why would Whirlwind reset IP.

What

[round pendant]

[solar shadow]

it sounds really cool when i press WW

like the sound effect is really dope

[ionic fern]

Are you doing it in dungeons?

[round pendant]

Yeah but we never press whirlwind

[solar shadow]

yes in 20 key

[ionic fern]

Like part of your rotation?

Nice.

I also like to troll my teammates from time to time.

[solar shadow]

im timing the keys so it's ok

right?

[ionic fern]

Sure.

Whatever makes you happy.

[round pendant]

If you say so

[sick sentinel]

Its just the game

[solar shadow]

what talents can i choose to maximize my WW damage

[round pendant]

🤷‍♂️

[ionic fern]

🤷

[solar shadow]

i want to do high DPS

[ionic fern]

Don't WW.

[sick sentinel]

Ww talents

[ionic fern]

You're welcome.

[round pendant]

Then, stop pressing whirlwind

lmao

[bleak plume]

wait so can i take whirlwind off my bar

[ionic fern]

Yes.

You don't WW, ever.

[bleak plume]

nice, free hotkey

[solar shadow]

but it has the most satisfying sound effect per rage point

[amber siren]

[ionic fern]

Then figure out if you want to play optimally or listen to a nice swooosh sound.

[round pendant]

sadly sound effects don't represent damage

[jagged pier]

playing with sound KEKW

[solar shadow]

but why?

I feel like enemies are scared of a warrior whirlwinding

[round pendant]

It does like no damage

[solar shadow]

that sound effect is terrifying

does intimidating the enemy mean nothing?

[round pendant]

Unless they're gnolls, enemies ain't afraid of shit

unless you yell at them

booly

[ionic fern]

Stop trolling,thank you. If you have any relevant questions feel free to post them.

[stuck basin]

but ww is pretty good to help keeping aggro from mobs hitting you in the back 🤣

[bleak plume]

pretty new to prot, whats the best way to go about getting aggro while pulling stuff together? especially after thunder clap and shield slam

[round pendant]

dunno why you would use whirlwind ever when thunderclap does the same thing but better

[bleak plume]

for brew i just used to keg smash and then spin

which has no cd

afaik

[solar shadow]

'

[amber siren]

TC, Ravager, TR, AoE taunt, revenge

[round pendant]

where's shield slam

[solar shadow]

i use whirlwind

[round pendant]

Weren't you just asked to stop trolling

[jagged pier]

i mean if he uses WW he uses WW

its wrong

but cant stop him using it

🤷

[solar shadow]

so if i tank the 24 key and hit WW

i have done somethign wrong?

[round pendant]

[solar shadow]

does using WW impact the Io score i will gain

i am confused

its my t op damage ability in keys

[sick sentinel]

They asked you to stop troll on and you just dgaf.

[solar shadow]

im new to prot warrior

[karmic plinth]

you dont use ww revenge does everything ww does but better

[solar shadow]

oh ok i see

[karmic plinth]

including scaring enemies

[solar shadow]

Revenge is also scary?

very good

I want to strike fear into the hearts of my enemies

[warm plinth]

@solar shadow not like this mr. whirlwind

[solar shadow]

it has the best sound effect of all of our abilities

[warm plinth]

Yeah, though Rampage for fury is better

[solar shadow]

do you think Whirlwind strikes fear into the heart of a Big Lasher?

I dont feel like plants care for revenge

[ionic fern]

🙂

Warned you.

[solar shadow]

i am not allowed to play the game as I please?

[ionic fern]

Go and PLAY the game as you please.

[solar shadow]

thank you

so you wont help me optimize my play as a whirlwind warrior?

[jagged pier]

no

[sterile bough]

let me help u optimize playing warrior with whirlwind

remove it from bars

[solar shadow]

I want to be the best warrior who uses whirlwind

I like the spell

How can I do this?

[sterile bough]

play arms / fury?

[solar shadow]

what spec will allow me to cast WW the most

[median tulip]

Fury

[vivid mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[round pendant]

You'll fit right in with the fury warriors

[sick sentinel]

You are evil

[solar shadow]

look i would play prot paladin but their spells do not sound cool like whirlwind so im stuck

im just gonna see what i can do

i understand the hate for casual gamers here but its a little much imo, maybe i dont care if revenge applies bleeds and procs shield slam and i want to use a badass spell like whirlwind

[amber siren]

this is somehow even less funny than the "my prot warrior is 3kio after being 70 for 2 days"

[median tulip]

There is literally no reason to ever press Whirlwind as a Protection Warrior. It costs more Rage, does less damage, doesn't proc our tier set and doesn't reset Shield Slam. It is a dead button to us. Take it off your bars. The only "optimisation" for it is to never use it. Now either accept that, or go and be terrible somewhere else.

[solar shadow]

What i'm saying is I relalize its not optimal but I like it, how can i be the best I can be while using whirlwind

[median tulip]

You can't. End of discussion.

[amber siren]

literally stop engaging with them

[solar shadow]

genuienly want to see what I can do without using revenge lol

sorry if that seems troll or w/e to you but this is an alt for me and for fun

i want to prove a point that tank is the easiest role and doesn't really even require you playing remotely optimally to be successful

[craggy pilot]

If you wanna press ww, play arms or fury

Ww is not a prot button

[solar shadow]

using WW instead of revenge seems like a good way to do that

[jagged pier]

we literally told u this yesterday

theres no point to prove

if u have a good group

u dont need to play correctly

look at nerf

[craggy pilot]

If you wanna prove a point, just click 0 buttons

But then you just prove the point that people will hate you

[jagged pier]

if u want to play worse why are u even asking how to optimize WW?

isnt that against the point u want to prove?

🤔

[solar shadow]

I think the idea is using a build/spec that is objectively bad

and still succeeding

[lime urchin]

Whoa! Just in time for popcorn?

🍿

[solar shadow]

this may seem like really stupid to you as a warrior main, and I get it

[jagged pier]

to point on this message in another discord its not about playing the top 1% dps its about playing the spec correctly not incorrectly which is what this discord is about we help ppl be better and improve we arent going to hold your hand and try and make a spec so u can play incorrectly as my and mwahi have both said if u want to play WW go ahead have fun enjoy it. but we arent going to help u because it the incorrect way to play

[warped cave]

Good day people 🙂 I've been trying to search for first craft \ optimization posts, especially if I play arms as well. What would you guys craft for the five items and with what stat prio ? Crit haste with just some vers? I have asked friends and they don't favour versa as much as I would have thought O_O. Starting "fresh" at 380 😄 . suppose I go weap\shield combo at least obviously. Haste engineering bracers ?

[sterile bough]

anything wrong aboutit?

[jagged pier]

haste whatever u like stats dont matter

crit is actually better than vers 99% of the time

but if u like vers u can use it

[solar shadow]

is crit better than vers due to increased critical block chance?

[jagged pier]

thats mastery

[warped cave]

bet crit for damage is much better to stack 🙂

[amber siren]

?

[sterile bough]

uj dont answer to a question witha question

[amber siren]

I don't know what you mean

[jagged pier]

crit isnt just about damage u actually parry due to crit and that will be more mitigation over a key than vers will give u

[sterile bough]

what is wrong with what this guy said?

[solar shadow]

yes ur right my b

wait so why is crit > vers in most cases

[amber siren]

He's been playing coy with 'ww sound = best sound' and 'why does this discord hate casuals' for the past 2 hours, he knows what he's doing because he's active in other class discords

that's the point

i can't believe i genuinely had to explain that

[solar shadow]

ill be honest this discord is incredibly hostile compared to others

[sterile bough]

yet u posted a screen of him saying that "ppl dont need to max dps as tank to be top 1% tank in keys"

[median tulip]

IDK about the engy bracers. Personally I use the Allied Wristguards that give bonus Versa. Your first crafts should always be Shield, Lariat and Weapon. Haste/Crit is generally preferred for crafts, but don't completely neglect Versa and Mastery - you do need to have some of every secondary stat. If you can get hold of the Raid Fire Rings (especially the Eranog one) at a good ilvl, then the Frostfire Belt is a good craft in place of the Allied Wristguards. The Allied Legs are terrible tho.

[solar shadow]

there is no acceptance of anything outside of "the spec" "the faq" "the recommendations"

[jagged pier]

because unfotunatly thats not how the feedback loop of the class works

[sick sentinel]

Kekw. Not true at all. Its most helpful discord with cute af ppl.

[jagged pier]

u cant just start using WW

its literally kills the spec

[amber siren]

The point was the 'riling up' part

[solar shadow]

e.g. when you point out why a r1 m+ tank is using a "bad talent" i've seen people get absolutely roasted

"oh that guy just doesn't know what he is doing" is the attitude

[jagged pier]

in a lot of cases unfortunatly thats actually been true

our r1 io prot from most of SLs didnt have more than 60% blocked hits

when 85% was easily achieveable by play the spec correctly

[solar shadow]

the idea that one thing is correct and one isn't I would argue is the root of the issue

[median tulip]

Having mad unga-bunga DPS players to static with can save a tank from a lot of mess-ups

[jagged pier]

in most case that is true tho

we have very small wiggle room in our talents

[round pendant]

"tanking" is easy yes, hence why we choose to optimise damage and become a fourth dps in the dungeon

[solar shadow]

how many people are in this discord? If we all petition Ion I think we can remove Revenge in favor of WW

[round pendant]

If you go whirlwind spec you're just griefing as the "not dying" part is basically guaranteed if you're not stupid

[median tulip]

There are remarkably few things that are close in terms of either survivability or damage. There are some things that are situationally useful as utility. And then there are a lot of things that are just objectively bad, no matter which way you cut it.

[round pendant]

so all you're doing is slowing down the dungeon

Honestly, I would be in favour of removing whirlwind or revenge and just buffing the one that's left over

or just remove ww

[jagged pier]

i mean i would love to have fury WW always ahve said that since they added it back and fury execute but they are too busted for prot

[solar shadow]

thats what I'm saying, we should go with the one that has a cooler sound effect

[median tulip]

Revenge should replace WW for Prot

[round pendant]

They could even add a glyph that makes revenge do a whirlwind animation poggers

[solar shadow]

Hitting WW feels really g ood

[round pendant]

It doesn't, it feels like a wet noodle

[median tulip]

and I will grant you that Revenge needs a better visual/sound effect

[solar shadow]

now if it applied bleeds and reset SS, pog

[median tulip]

But it's still shit in terms of damage and effect, so don't use it

[solar shadow]

Decoration of Flame is like the coolest thing to happen to prot warrior in a long time

what a sick visual effect

[median tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[solar shadow]

TClap, also, incredibl

sounds amazing

very satisfying button to hit

look at prot paladins, they have Divine Toll, it's like, arguably, the best feeling button to hit in the game

[round pendant]

Yeah and we have shield slam

when you crit 300k with that it feels good man

[solar shadow]

SS, TClap and leap sound great

Revenge needs some work

Revenge should feel sweet and satisfying

[median tulip]

As I said, the visual and sound effect are lacking. But it's many times better than WW in terms of its actual effect on an enemy (or group thereof).

[solar shadow]

I'm not arguing that Revenge is far better as far as p much everything goes DPS, surviability, etc

[solar shadow]

but id stll rather hit WW than Revenge for that sweet sound effect

even if i KNOW i'm gimping myself

[lime urchin]

Meh this popcorn is boring

Back to zug zug

[jade tartan]

howdy, what trinkets would u run in m+
Boon 421
wethstone 415
Icon 421
Decor of flame 415
(eranog ring is accessible)

[solar shadow]

prob icon decor

[jade tartan]

ive been running 421 boon and 415 weathstone

running 23-24

[round pendant]

Whetstone + Icon if group has icon

• boon if you're big balls

[solar shadow]

cant imagine that many keys where 421 boon is useful but I am sure you can make it work. Definitely the highest DPS potential of all of the options

[jade tartan]

i've had boon since first ID i always used that.

[shy python]

Onother question:
Why is the AoE interrupt not a recommended talent? I tried it on the CoS imps and other caster mobs and I am really excited.

It's such a gamechanger in some situations

[solar shadow]

whetstone is really good, but Decor gives you a mix of defense and DPS which I'd argue is more useful. It also gives str over mastery which is not to be ignored

[amber siren]

It's pretty niche since it's an interrupt and not a silence, imps for example can be covered with int shout/shockwave a lone without mentioning whatever stops your group has available

[warm plinth]

It gives you really poor defense and really poor damage

[jagged pier]

exactly its very niche and alot of those times the niche is covered by a stun anyway, plus u have to drop better talents to take it

[solar shadow]

Seems like Icon All Totem is the most popular set of trinkets

[median tulip]

Icon and Whetstone

[median tulip]

Re: the CoS imps, you are best off jumping into the group (so that you aggro them all simultaneously) and spell reflecting their fire bolts for maximum effect

[solar shadow]

I see pretty much zero top tanks on RIO running whetstone however

if you are already comfortable using Boon, it's going to do more damage than Whetstone everyy time. Otherwiese, for pure DPS trinekt, try to acquire a grimtorch

[jagged pier]

yer because most are using all totem and icon

[solar shadow]

correct

[round pendant]

grief is mid for m+

[jagged pier]

because they are 1 best tank trinket in the game and 2 benfits the group

thats why

[median tulip]

If your group has all 3 Icon buffs then WII is unsurpassed

[potent harbor]

guys on vexamus, boss around 50 percent changed target and frontaled my group, does shaman/dh/lock one of them has some kind of taunt?

or how its possible

[solar shadow]

p sure Icon is also the best trinket by far if your group has it for the prot warrior too, not just for the grp benefit

[jagged pier]

no

[cloud umbra]

DH has a taunt

[potent harbor]

dh has taunt right

[cloud umbra]

Yea

[jagged pier]

yes

[solar shadow]

correct

DH does NOT have whirlwind

[median tulip]

All the classes with tank specs have a taunt, even on the offspec

[potent harbor]

how its called

[solar shadow]

I think we can all agree, if DH has access to Whirlwind, they would be a meta tank

[cloud umbra]

Torment

[potent harbor]

hmm its not in his details

[cloud umbra]

I think you wouldn’t see it in details only log

[potent harbor]

but he had to since vexamus changed target and started do that frontline wave into my group

well was easy 23 but i guess theres always new way how to die

[cloud umbra]

Probably fat fingered taunt haha

Was the tank a paladin?

[potent harbor]

i was tanking

[cloud umbra]

Oh

[potent harbor]

obviously bro 😄

[cloud umbra]

I guess lol

[potent harbor]

but in logs u dont see unfinished runs?

[amber siren]

logs should capture everything even if the run isn't completed

[cloud umbra]

Yea it should be red like a wipe

[jagged lotus]

Hello!

Is there anyway to prevent the Rending Bite debuff on your tank on (specifically prot warr) on Mythic Broodkeeper?

Ours is taking a lot of damage from it, and we're struggling to keep him alive.

[mortal brook]

Kill the protodrake

Itll stop rending the tank

[faint mica]

hi guys, what should I upgrade 1st beetween lariat/fire belt/boots? I guess Lariat but I'm unsure because of mainstats

[jagged pier]

parry

[jagged lotus]

Assumed it was a DPS issue, was just checking if it wasn't anything they could do.
I'm using Caut. flame from 2 evokers as well

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3mXJQtcVzvbkHhr4#type=damage-taken&fight=61&source=4

[mortal brook]

Looks standard rending bite dam tbh

[jagged lotus]

Comparing a few logs, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/h6AJRQk1n7CKPdbL#fight=12&type=damage-taken&source=12

This is 1/2 the damage

[potent harbor]

wait how u see those red unfinished runs? do i have to download it by myself?

so i see those m+ unifnished i cant find it but iw ant flame that sucker whos lying 😄

[round pendant]

unfinished runs are a "Wipe" on your log uploader

🤷‍♂️

[potent harbor]

ye i dont have it well nvm

[mortal brook]

ye, 11 bites to 16

protos gettin hard nuked vs that pally

[jagged pier]

evoker can remove

dwarf

[jagged lotus]

^ we're using stasis caut (mine) and I'm using the dev. evoker's as well

[mortal brook]

and then he parries 5/11 of them

sheesh

[jagged lotus]

How do you check if they were parried?

[jagged pier]

u should only use the removals on double bleeds imo

[mortal brook]

events tab

[jagged pier]

which u only should get 1 time

[warped cave]

Thank you 🙂 we are on the same path

[mortal brook]

so yeah kill em way faster or parry them all

otherwise its lots of dam at a rate you cant dispell em all

[jagged lotus]

Yeah, that's fair.

I do typically get the dev evoker to dispel double, but I think they're just living too long and reapplying

Same with burrowing strike, he's getting like 12 stacks sometimes

[jagged lotus]

Thank you

[mortal brook]

no worries, you're out of armor around 5 stacks anyways

[jagged lotus]

lol true, it's just an indication that the adds are living a little too long I think

[mortal brook]

so thats kind of a balance right. cuz overcommitting on adds is also gonna punish you once you're at p2

my last brood i took 15 (undispelled cuz evokers are on boss) so dam was similar. just dealt with it

and thats fine cuz its doable

[jagged lotus]

Yeah, definitely. I think we need to shuffle some dps/builds around though

[mortal brook]

almost identical dam taken, even

[jagged lotus]

The tank is just going 100%-->0 in a few secs, especially as he's running to the next add set while the previous one is pretty healthy (meaning we have some chilling tantrums on the move and he's getting one shot out of range of us)

[jagged lotus]

oh! thanks

[mortal brook]

i get an external when i move from set 2 to set 3 for that reason

[jagged lotus]

I think I TD him there

[jagged pier]

i mean

healers should be healing him

[jagged lotus]

I am : (

[jagged pier]

and u also have hunters to misdrect

or rogue to tricks

[jagged lotus]

Yeah, only the rogue. Hunters are on boss

[mortal brook]

if he's not in range to hit things he's not getting rage to IP or whatever else so that big move can be spicy

i get a cocoon and bark during the move

[jagged lotus]

So the add group healers are Pres. evoker / Rsham / Hpriest

[mortal brook]

then we stabilize, wait on 1st tremor, then head back for the spawn

[jagged pier]

i mean your warrior isnt even playing correctly

[mortal brook]

oh right we should look at that part

[jagged lotus]

lol

Admittedly, he wasn't feeling well yesterday, but if you guys do have anything you can see that'll help, I'd really appreciate that

[mortal brook]

and by we i mean the pwar mains

[median tulip]

is he getting hit in the back while moving?

[jagged lotus]

No idea, not sure how to check on logs either. I'll see if I can find some vods from last night

[median tulip]

You can only Block/Dodge/Parry stuff in your front arc. So stuff getting behind him while he moves would mean a lot of additional damage

[jagged lotus]

Not sure if that is blockable or not

[mortal brook]

the melee values look block-able levels, buncha these pulls its a slow bleed to rending during a busy part of the fight, tbh

like pull 10 its just a no direct heal bleed over like a good 10s

[jagged lotus]

Yeah, I died before he did, so that's probably why on that pull

[surreal thunder]

If u have an evoker heals in ur group they can cauterizing flame it off

[jagged lotus]

We are

[sick sentinel]

pretty sure i asked about this long time ago like a monh, or 2 weeks, and somebody said "all evokers can take the remove bleed talent, its in class tree not spec"

i may be wrong, thats a chance im willing to take and be corrected on

[surreal thunder]

Yeah, looks like 2 in the group, what's the cd of it?

[jagged lotus]

1min

I'm putting one in stasis as well, so we have 3

[surreal thunder]

Damn and bleed still killing him?

[jagged lotus]

It's usually the bleed or melee/frontals

[surreal thunder]

Is he using any defensive for it

[jagged lotus]

I think he's using a lot of his defensives when he starts tanking the adds tbh

(At least that's when I see them on his frame)

[jagged pier]

i mean as i said hes not playing correctly on this attempt he doesnt press anything remotely to do with SB for into a min into the fight even tho the mobs spawn before that

[jagged lotus]

ah

[jagged pier]

im just picking attempts at random

this attempt he cast it once

[jagged lotus]

Yeah, don't expect you to comb through all of the pulls

[jagged pier]

thats the only way u can get the full picture

[jaunty reef]

I pins it says "SW/SR/Spell Block/DS + IP"

What is SR, when its not Spell Reflect? and what is DS? Any Last Stand isn't mentioned in pins for 3rd boss TJS?

[jagged pier]

SR is spell reflect

[surreal thunder]

Is he using the talents majority of pwar are using for brood?

[jagged pier]

DS is demo shout

and it is mentioned for 3rd boss

but u should use it after the hit

[jagged lotus]

I mean, you can see pretty easily from his casts tbh.

1.9 CPM of SB over all pulls

[jagged pier]

as it counts as a heal

[jaunty reef]

oh LS as a heal

I see thought it was Life steal, as in leech

What Spell Block do we have? Only Spell Reflect right?

[sick sentinel]

i like wow up now

[jagged pier]

its a talent u can take

[spring thunder]

Does Demo Shout work while running from Odin to my rune in HoV?

[solar shadow]

i need these tanks to stop charging into double AA axes without a defensive

[sick sentinel]

because it starts with the fucking computer, and it doesnt have to wait before i can update shit

curseforge and outplayed dont do this, despite being told to

[jagged pier]

i mean sure but thats doesnt show pull to pull things

anyway its not just his SB usage it like everything

everything is low

he should be pressing his buttons alot more

his casts

mine in the first 3 mins

im on adds as well

[mortal brook]

some cd usage is understandable to delay to tempo, cuz adds go double every minute so maybe demo shout and shit get delayed for that coverage, etc right

but pew pew press shield slam and block more

[jagged lotus]

Yeah, those are fair points.

What's my best next step then? Just take him through some logs and asking him what his prios are?

[jagged pier]

his blocked hits vs mine

[sick sentinel]

WTB 10k valor pack from blizzard cash shop

so i dont have to spend 4k on glov

pay 10 bucks instant valor no fuss no runs

[jagged pier]

that burrow strike difference is basically i blocked 90% of them when he blocked 60% as well

[jagged lotus]

Ahh I see..

[mortal brook]

nou

[jagged pier]

well next step is basically he needs to get better

or the boss needs to get nerfed

[jagged lotus]

That makes sense, because I felt like those adds were dying at a reasonable pace (our Dev evoker was at 255k dps for a while)

[jagged pier]

or u healers put in overtime

[jagged lotus]

^ I already am xD

[jagged pier]

well then its one of the first 2 options

[jagged lotus]

This is my healing to him (it includes TD for some reason) over all pulls

[jagged lotus]

Thank you, will get it sorted

[sick sentinel]

technically speaking, i have to run cos for boots

technnically speaking, from my filter, cuz i filter everyone apparently, so much so that when i join bdk someone comes and chimes in that this is what im gunna do filter ppl out, .... ffs gd'it, ... from drops from mythic + those are best stated boots i'll easily get

[mortal brook]

what

[median tulip]

The biggest issue with the adds isn't killing them per se, it's positioning them. The spawn pattern is entirely predictable, so you can be there ahead of time if your co-tank is using a properly pattern for the boss route. A Hunter also makes the whole thing so much easier

[jagged lotus]

I'll see if I can get one of the BM hunters to MD to the add tank. Thank you

[sick sentinel]

someone did that lol

[modest grove]

Is the buff uptime of Details reliable?

[sick sentinel]

i joined, or i have been in dk server for a while

[modest grove]

Cant compare it with logs

Because i have none of that run

[sick sentinel]

and i was very recently there asking about something, crafts or embellishments or something, and someone came at me with that lol "he's gunna filter every single one of u"

[mortal brook]

encounterspace will make stuff vary for total uptime metrics, it is better to check logs and use stuff like source aura filters to check coverages rather than uptimes. can see like, was shield block up for all incoming melees etc which could be a very diff picture right.

dont need shield block up if im traveling to next pack or waiting on an intermission where boss is out of range, but im still in combat, but details is counting away the seconds

[modest grove]

I see, thanks for the explanation

[tropic gorge]

Happy Friday guys

[tropic gorge]

This can't be said enough

My uptime for block % varies wildly between what details show and logs show

[mental scarab]

If you didnt die you hade enough uptime on block

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[hazy sluice]

What are the main difficulties on high level vexamus and how do u play it defensively ?

Sometimes I get trucked and sometimes I don't by the frontal Tankbuster.

Sometimes it does quarter my HP and sometimes it just deals 400k

On a 22 fort

418 ilvl

I feel so stupid to die there

[bold olive]

balls slurped?

[hazy sluice]

Does the ball debuff increase the damage from the Tankbuster ?

[tropic gorge]

I always try to get one ball

[hazy sluice]

I always try to get all balls legit

And then dispell

[tropic gorge]

Usually I can force it when the cone attack comes

[amber siren]

no it only increases damage from further mana bombs

[plush tendon]

rotate defensives for the buster

can always dip into D-Stance if needed

[sterile bough]

always have full IP and rotate defensives

[plush tendon]

you should be able to get like Wall+SR, Last Stand+SR, DStance+SR, then back to Wall+SR or something like that

[dire tide]

any haste point where ITF is viable for m+?

[sterile bough]

none

[plush tendon]

ITF is always viable

but so is HR- one gives easier block uptime, the other more haste

[bold olive]

No, was just wondering if you were conflating the two. Do you have a log or can you upload one now?

[uneven mason]

36% unbuffed, requires maintaining high uptime on 5 stacks otherwise you're going to have SB gaps

[hazy sluice]

No I stopped logging when I got huuuge frame drops months ago. Maybe I should try to see if it's fixed by patches

[tropic gorge]

I use hr for m+ and ITF for raids

What I wish I could figure out, is if I can pickup the bonus Stam talent above raveger for the wow head pinned raid build

[cinder storm]

Some pwar were using it on 25s-26s because that made them feel safer

[tropic gorge]

I could see that. With most pulls ITF will be capped

And I guess depending on comp and how mele heavy they run

[uneven mason]

Yeah tbh it's a small DPS gain in AE but has a risk for those gaps, no serious reason to drop hr in m+

[plush tendon]

wish we could have both

[tropic gorge]

wouldn't it be nice plays in the distance

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cr_8tvvQ0k

close enough

[tropic gorge]

Lmao

[proper thunder]

why would there ba gap if you have less than that? there is no cooldown reduction
2x SB and 1x SC without any haste value or lots of haste value should be the same no?

[uneven mason]

Haste reduces SB CD

[proper thunder]

gotcha

[potent harbor]

guys theres soem trick to kill multiple stags with dragon in hov?

[strong forum]

bring the dragon to them?

[potent harbor]

for some reason i got total hate for not doing it, then person hating me killed us on ragnarok shield when boss was 3 percent hekept dpsing, yet still stags were for sure reason key was destroyed since it killed one person :))

[strong forum]

but idk why youd do that

[potent harbor]

nah dragon not kill them

[strong forum]

dragon will eat the stags if you bring them to him

but its a literal timewaste to do so

giga timewaste

1 stag is 1count

[quaint trout]

If I'm an engineer is it even worth making goggles when tier set is just better?

[strong forum]

and it also buffs bolsters the dragon

idk why anybody would do that

[potent harbor]

dont explain me, was profi 2,98k god hunter

memeing whole dungeon

[strong forum]

cringe hunter then

[plush tendon]

first mistake, listening to paper class

[potent harbor]

i pulled 5 wolves, he answered with XD, i puleld another 5 after fenryr again xD, then Skolvard killed us since he wsasd braindeadly dpsing shield

[plush tendon]

[potent harbor]

then stalking me in whisper

i have taste report that guy tbh and contact his guild what moron they have

was long time since im so salty about someone, didnt time that 22 hov jsut cause of him

[plush tendon]

I gotta a nice 24 HoV to attempt tonight with the lads

we feel like its super timeable without any crazy shenanigans

[potent harbor]

ye like we went up with 11 mins

skovald around 8min mark

[plush tendon]

that is more then enough time

to time

[potent harbor]

he made ragnarok i typed stop dps he is 5 percent, warrior stopped, druid stopped, hunter zug zug

boom everyone dead

but bor not his fault and stags were problem 😄

[plush tendon]

ooof

thats unlucky

[potent harbor]

then started yoloing last boss died on purpsoe so i soloed basically odin

30 sec deplete even with that wipe

so ye theres shitton of time

[high basalt]

Hey guys I’m 390 with 4 set I’m really struggling to keep sheild block and ignore pain and the 2 set all rolling at the same time I thought I was doing ok till I looked at details it’s bad.

[plush tendon]

details wont be a good indicator

you need a log

[potent harbor]

@high basalt stack haste, use talent heavy recuperssion, use shield charge with demo shout on cd, and u will be on 99

[distant crystal]

if you thought you were doing good, but details makes you think you aren't, you might just be doing good after all :p

[dire tide]

During avatar, should i prio SHield slam and Tc over Revenge always? as long as dot is present?

[plush tendon]

best thing to do if you looking to improve, log a key (or have someone else log) and share that log here

[high basalt]

Ok guys I will log my next key to see what’s happening. Thanks 😩😎👍

[plush tendon]

Im under the impression you keep the same priority in Avatar on ST, the only difference is for outburst procs you can TClap on 5 targets instead of 8 if you are in Avatar

[uneven mason]

Must've been quota for huntard checks last night I had one pull the entire first cy, in cos, wipe... Then run off to pull more trash just as we pull the first boss, then die to the fel detonate, the healer just left them dead for the rest of the instance must've been 30% over on trash

[uneven mason]

SS always, because TC can reset SS, don't waste the rage

[dire tide]

just seems like in avatar i can go 15 seconds without using revenge just with back 2 back SS proccs from TC

[plush tendon]

thats fine

you dont really need to track the 2 piece

just keep generating as much rage as possible and spending rage to prevent overcapping

and when you can get a revenge in, do it

[uneven mason]

Spending rage into IP while chaining ss and tc will probably be a DPS gain over the 4% from 2p

[plush tendon]

but always prio rage generators

[dire tide]

k

[plush tendon]

itll also help feed the Anger Management furnace

[uneven mason]

Outburst

[plush tendon]

more rage gain-> more rage spent -> more Walls and Avatars

[uneven mason]

More 200k SS crits

[plush tendon]

^ this to

[high basalt]

@potent harbor hey mate roughly what haste is a sweet spot for good uptime? Thanks man 😎👍

[plush tendon]

more rage spent-> more outbursts-> big numbies

[uneven mason]

As much as you can get

[potent harbor]

@high basalt more better, u can go even to 5K+ or even to 5,5k usually u using hoof trinket for it

whetstone/hoof, at least thats my favourite comp

[plush tendon]

Im a icon, all totem gamer