never will
#protection
strong forum
dusty estuary
does crit provide more tankyness as well has help you live more than vers?
strong forum
over the course of a key, yes
for extreme specific mechanics like crawth? not entirely
jagged pier
but it can also stop some mechanics even landing on u
like searing blow stacks
and rending bite from dragons on brood
strong forum
or deathspike
sick sentinel
you can parry some blows?
jagged pier
a stack of it
sick sentinel
that's interesting
strong forum
and in the case of crawth
dusty estuary
sheeeshh ive been doing it all wrong all along im getting some knowledge dropped on me
strong forum
you can parry melee attacks while the bleed is up, ultimately removing large parts of dmg intake
jagged pier
^^
sick sentinel
what flask are protwar using atm on high keys? also embelishement, some websites are bugging too much when i tried checking
jagged pier
if u parry the melees when x magic damage or other damage is happening your haste and crit is doing more damage rducetion than your vers ever will
sick sentinel
can you link your toon nome please?
strong forum
can just look up my name
sick sentinel
alright
what's the reasoning of waking stats over sustained strenght that i see used a lot on high protwar?
strong forum
its just more stats
getting 0.1% stam is not a thing you wanna chose over 70 more str
thats like saying you dont wanna pick mainstat gem on your socket
and instead go with a stamina + haste socket
sick sentinel
hmm on me atm it's 9k hp difference, should not be that big
jagged pier
and instead go with a stamina + haste socket
👀
sick sentinel
that's a fair point explained this way 😄
modern relic
Hey guys,
in which order do you charge/leap/ or even gate at the third blowie of razageth (when the sparks will spawn directly after) so the boss does not moove towards the mid?
dusty estuary
which stats on your socketed gems get buffed with elemental lariat if u have multi stat gems?
stark furnace
which stats on your socketed gems get buffed with elemental lariat if u have mul...
Fire gems= crit, earth = mastery, air = haste, frodt = vers
jagged pier
its the lower stat
jagged pier
Hey guys,
in which order do you charge/leap/ or even gate at the third blowie ...
its always charge leap charge
dusty estuary
Fire gems= crit, earth = mastery, air = haste, frodt = vers
so as a prot war which gem should i socket? crafty ysemerald?
for the crit buff
stark furnace
I socket all haste vers but sure many people have different opinions
strong forum
i run crafty yse, ye
modern relic
its always charge leap charge
and the boss does not move at all when doing it this way?
sick sentinel
do we use disclosure potion on keys?
jagged pier
u can do
sick sentinel
what's the alternative, ultimate power i presume?
jagged pier
yes
modern relic
thanks 🙂
sick sentinel
looking at nomeratur toon, i'm getting a little confused on into the fray vs HH
sick sentinel
that's exactly what i had, instead of battering ram over disrupting shout for sanguine purpose in some dungeons
glass spear
can anyone tell me why there is a movement of top tanks switching to pala?
strong forum
people overhyped pwar
strong forum
and were blind to pally being better for your group
sick sentinel
would you consider switching to defender's Aegis for academy because of crawth?
strong forum
no
jagged pier
no
dusty estuary
what wep enchant do you recommend?
spark mortar
hey can i yoink someone to take a quick look at my scuffed kurog logs? idk why he hurts me so much while other bosses don't :/
strong forum
what wep enchant do you recommend?
frozen devo for dmg, sophic for general play
strong forum
hey can i yoink someone to take a quick look at my scuffed kurog logs? idk why h...
i can give it a shot
jagged pier
i mean kurog is the first boss that hurts
blazing condor
its grim
jagged pier
:nodders:
shell mortar
Why you guys so against double wall
It's so good for higher keys on big pulls
Or bosses like 1st boss in RLP
potent harbor
hey guys what u think about this route for rlp this week, i hate sanguine on channelers so im invis pot skipping it
also skipping red dragon and second jugger, pack 2 i break some eggs and do whelps so ending nice sweet 100
shell mortar
Ye it's good though if you fail the last 3 pulls GG
And for first pull need lots of prio damage
As jugger has big health
strong forum
Why you guys so against double wall
literally has no application on high keys
the higher you go, the worse it becomes
shell mortar
literally has no application on high keys
Ofc it has. Literally can't do 1st boss RLP on tyran without double wall, as you have too many dry spots
strong forum
uhuh, sure
shell mortar
Look at any log of 25-26 first boss RLP
Every single prot warr has 2 charges of wall and spell block saved for last 40% or they're just floor pov
jagged pier
nah man your wrong they run out and respec for that boss
warm plinth
Look at all those double walls
jagged pier
strong forum
meanwhile andy also never ever ran double wall cuz its useless
when he was still on warri
cuz the exact usecase of double wall
warm plinth
Honestly gotta be photoshopped since they "literally can't do 1st boss RLP on tyran without double wall"
strong forum
is when you need SW BACK TO BACK
in a less than 1 minute window
if you need it more than twice
thats when impenetrable wall just SHOOTS ahead
and wall makes it so shield slam generates literall 20% more rage
shell mortar
Eh I stand corrected
strong forum
double wall is only good in mdi
cuz of shotgun pulls
and i concede for TJS in lower keys
cuz 3rd boss wont have more than 3 phases
so double wall wins there, and its good on last pack
shell mortar
I'd day it still has its uses. Let's you facetank some pulls for a lot longer
In some cases close to necessary
Lets*
eager phoenix
if you've made up your mind just go crazy
shell mortar
Nah, I was wrong, I'm not so set on double wall, I play both
strong forum
it wont be a detriment to run DA , but youll just be outright better running with impenetrable wall
shell mortar
Just a bit weirdge that people here are so against double wall when it has it's uses
strong forum
b-but it doesnt
only when youre bad
and cant press your buttons
ive yet to see somebody use shieldwall reasonably often
strong forum
nononon
shell mortar
Bird + fish pull in TJS
jagged pier
lets pick a niche scenario to make my point
jagged pier
u definatly do not run it in SMBG
shell mortar
You don't /need/ double wall but with it you don't need to start kiting early
strong forum
you dont need to with impenetrable either
and its literally only 1 pull
in the entire dungeon
you just SW-SB-SW
shell mortar
There's 2 fear shas + double small guys exploding
Peck is not an issue yes
Counter argument is "just use a stop for every fear sha buster" but cmon
strong forum
idk, chief, stuff should be dead there rather quickly
fucking arty pulls the entire floor in 1 go
as vdh which doesnt have double wall
(without pandas ofc)
on 26
shell mortar
Again, not necessary, like I said, it's safer in the scenario of anything in the pull at all going south
shell mortar
Not really
Should
But almost all groups I've played with don't allocate CDs at all besides for very specific scenarios
Like waterfall in NO
strong forum
i mean, playing around your DPS' cds should be norm ye
shell mortar
Playing around, yes
Allocating specific CDs for specific pulls, no
So anyways, how low is SW cd with the single wall talent? Never really paid attention to it
Without ITF
Assuming played optimally
shell mortar
Aite
jagged pier
imean lets not forget that the wall is also more rage
shell mortar
I'll give it a go today in keys I normally would run double wall
Yeah, I used to play single wall all the time but on certain pulls felt pretty dry
strong forum
reminder is just send SW early
shell mortar
So on NO and TJS I started running double wall
shell mortar
Yeah, we do some spicy pulls in NO
jagged pier
its all physical damage
strong forum
they only have 1 or 2 casters per pack
shell mortar
No I mean the bolters
shell mortar
Theres a pull with 2 bolters, 2 mystics
strong forum
and 90% of the time the bolters cast necrotic eruption
shell mortar
- 6 other mobs
Feels a lot safer with double wall
Or the waterfall pull with 2 dudes on tip
Top*
strong forum
its only safer if you use SW twice back to back
shell mortar
Otherwise double wall not useful at all
strong forum
yeah so
shell mortar
There's just not enough kicks or stops for the bolter pull
strong forum
you pick a talent that makes you weaker for 99% of the key
shell mortar
And that pull saves a lot of time
topaz field
u only get deleted in nokhud from the bolts and the healing debuff
which u can both stop
shell mortar
Yep
strong forum
inting if you ask me
shell mortar
Look
It's like a 1k DPS loss from me
For a big time save
From that 1 pull
That's all that matters
shell mortar
Yeah but I don't struggle.in any other pull
So it's not a surv loss
As you said, other stuff like arcing strike can be outranged and the shield dudes get dispelled, just kite if needed
Bolters I can't really kite
And TJS for the bird + fish pull.and last pull
strong forum
you do you man
people have done it without it plenty times
whatever works for you
shell mortar
Yeah I know
It's just foolproof
Double wall there's 0 chance those pulls go wrong
Coz the pulls before I don't need wall
rough egret
Hey, anyone has the script that shows how many charges of catalyst do i have?
strong forum
/run local n=(C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(2167).quantity or 0)print(string.format("You have %d Catalyst Charge%s Available",n,(n==1)and""or"s"))
rough egret
ty
swift pilot
What phial are most people using on Dathea
strong forum
in raid you just use vers
cuz the boss dmg is what counts
not add dmg
actually the adds dont even hit you
so the only phial to use is vers
winter laurel
Is there a sim site for tanks like raidbots for dps and questionably epic for healers? Or should I just be using raidbots?
winter laurel
Ok cool. Thanks
snow vector
jagged pier
sick sentinel
In what dungeon do you switch from tough as nails to spell block ? i'd presume ToJ/azure ?
glass spear
TJS and RLP are the 2 main ones, but can make arguments for other dungeons as well
tropic gorge
It helps on the first boss a lot, but Im not sure it would be terribly helpful for most of the dungeon, outside of a pug with no stops or interrupts
sick sentinel
if ppl arent kicking cinderbolts in rlp, its gg anyways
at least on frport and above 10 15 keys
cinderbolt go brr delete random dps each cast
amber siren
1 is ok, usually an issue if it overlaps with inferno
vapid yacht
what do u think are the best trinkets for prot war only from m+ and for m+
amber siren
Whestone & then either hoof or the centaur icon probably
strong forum
^
toxic tiger
anyone got a nice and simple ignore pain bar?
solar shadow
i use a WA i found on wago
median tulip
anyone got a nice and simple ignore pain bar?
Simplest of all: don't use one
solar shadow
its an icon though
color codes your shield absorb size based on if your next IP cast will waste absorb or not too
median tulip
There's no reason to track IP
solar shadow
false
crimson bay
just track ur rage and block and throw else overcapped rage into ip and its uptime will be ait per automatic
solar shadow
this one is great
knowing how big your absorb shield is, and if you will waste rage casting IP is very useful knowledge
solar shadow
if you are not getting full effectiveness from your IP cast, you are wasting rage
solar shadow
unless you are refreshing your IP because it's going to expire
if you have a full duration IP at max absorb size, and youre still casting IP instead of revenge, I have to ask why
Other than you really wanting your CDs to refresh
wispy canopy
And it gives stacks for VO
solar shadow
Seems like a DPS loss to me
jagged pier
if i have SS off cd a full IP and 80 rage
imma press IP
otherwise im wasting SS resets
median tulip
Ignore Pain is a button that reduces the cooldown of Avatar and Shield Wall by 3.5s, gives you 3.5% HP, and as a happy side effect gives you an absorb. The absorb is absolutely not the point of pressing it.
jagged pier
literally dumb just to spam revenge because your IP is high
you'll waste SS resets and rage
strong forum
You can go ahead and try your rotation without overcapping IP, but you'll just do fuckall dmg
strong forum
More often
Sometimes I have to send IP 4 times back to back
To prevent overcapping
Cuz ravager + outburst + avatar
And bleeds rolling
crimson bay
ye just track rage waste and always use ss on cd and proccs, most of time it can be a good idea to press block or ip every other ss procc
anyhow having block tracker ip tracker and a good ragebar aswell as a reminder to press avatar demo shout etc on cd is a good idea overall
jagged pier
ah yes i can really press revenge instead of IP on pull
well from like 1 second in cause i greif pull
strong forum
Yeah I was just about to post the same 
round pendant
Honestly don't like how often we have to press IP
I wanna press revenge more, please blizzard let me press revenge more
solar shadow
i p much slam all my buttons like a monkey and never die in keys idk man
crimson bay
well thats bad then xD
not about not dying its more about not wasting ur class potential
doing as much dmg as possible while maintaining ur survival and no overcap rage
solar shadow
yes yes I'm aware of the concept of min maxing
crimson bay
ya and cant minmax spamming buttons i guess
round pendant
I mean just pressing everything mindlessly will probably get you 80% of the way there with prot warrior
strong forum
Randomly spamming buttons is how you end up doing low dps
solar shadow
Seems to work just fine in 21-22 keys on my 395 warrior
edgy grail
Pressing buttons correctly is now considered min maxing? 
solar shadow
Turns out you dont need to be that good to tank high keys as a warrior
blazing condor
its a surprisingly low threshold to be a "good" tank
mortal brook
nomeratur can you explain what a margin for error for success is
strong forum
21-22 isn't high
round pendant
But if you actually wanna do good damage, and more importantly be allowed to comment on whether or not certain things are good/bad to do, it might be worth learning what to do and why you're doing it.
mortal brook
ty
sick sentinel
you guys like the centaur thing now?
solar shadow
considering the gear level, it's "high" respectively
blazing condor
thought it was 2
strong forum
sick sentinel
i thought i kept hearing it was mid
jagged pier
not really i mean ppl were doing that key lvl in low at the start of the season
crimson bay
good shotcalling
solar shadow
i mean, it's my alt, but ya, you should be maximizing DPS
strong forum
A good tank has a good group
round pendant
I mean ngl you sound just like the last guy who came in here spouting false information and saying that he was tanking +24s as a 390 warrior
he was wrong and lying btw
jagged pier
A good tank has a good group
and ergo doesnt need to be good
crimson bay
who u talking about yam
solar shadow
you can probably tank 24s at 390
round pendant
yeppers
crimson bay
LULWS
strong forum
I mean 340 paladins can also tank 20s
Like
It's not as big a flex as you think burgah
solar shadow
turns out the majority of being a successful tank is having a good route and not dieing
crimson bay
was watching skillsac tank 26 keys on his 405 prot pala last night
so ofc is possible
strong forum
Ya idk what you're trying to prove here burgah ngl
round pendant
My point is just that people who use that kinda metric as a flex generally dunno what they're talking about
solar shadow
i'm not trying to prove anything
strong forum
Aight then
solar shadow
tank has to be the only role you can not even attempt to hit your buttons correctly and be in the top 1% of rating however
blazing condor
tank is just "hold aggro and stay alive"
strong forum
Nah he doesn't claim it
solar shadow
nobody mentioned parses Richardos
polar pivot
tank is just "hold aggro and stay alive"
AND PUMP!
strong forum
But he's correct that rio career tanks are often times boosted
solar shadow
obviously, if you want 99 parses you need to be hitting your DPS rotation properly
crimson bay
ye and isnt that what we all aim for?
round pendant
Tanking is just a hella easy job if you learn the 2 things per dungeon that can kill you and your dps are good players
blazing condor
not everyone
solar shadow
tanking is pretty braindead in raids so i guess yeah there is nothing else to do but DPS
blazing condor
strong forum
Big dam is the the major enjoyment of tanking
tropic gorge
I dunno I think it's pretty damn amazing to push over 100k dps on aoe pulls and hardly take dmg
sick sentinel
tanking in raids has always been extrmely brain dead
crimson bay
nah it hsnt just these last xpacs as raids gotten easier
sick sentinel
point boss out the group, taunt when called for it every 20 seconds, use cds while tanking it
strong forum
Hey
tropic gorge
96?dropped
blazing condor
cringe tbh
strong forum
This looks suspicious
tropic gorge
Scrub status
ionic fern
Nooooob.
round pendant
Point is that "not dying" and "having a route" are both insanely easy and whatever that you may as well put the remainder bit of effort into doing damage
solar shadow
I think Richardos' point is that atleast in like wotlk you had to hit your buttons correctly to have enough threat to not be pulled from
strong forum
Uuuh
solar shadow
Where as threat is basically non existent these days
crimson bay
noto nly that
blazing condor
if youre my cotank you still need that 
crimson bay
say u was tanking lk heroic
strong forum
Threat is a dogshit mechanic
round pendant
if youre my cotank you still need that <:okayge:917646812519739433>
truuuuuuuue
crimson bay
soul reaper for instance
strong forum
We're glad it's gone
crimson bay
if u dint press ur button exactly 1 sec in time
sick sentinel
crimson bay
u onetapped
solar shadow
I have to hit my buttons really hard during SBG 2nd boss soul suck phase
it's scary
tropic gorge
Oh threat is still very much an issue for some players
crimson bay
these days i can tank pretty much all bosses pressing zero cds
sick sentinel
LFR and normal raiding tanking pictured
crimson bay
cuz they just dont hit anymore
tropic gorge
We have a paladin "tank" (I use that term not easily) that hardly generates threat at all
crimson bay
skillissue
sick sentinel
We have a paladin "tank" (I use that term not easily) that hardly generates thre...
he is yogi 2.0
he is simply not htiting his buttons
strong forum
And I had to afk cuz sennarth isn't solo tankable
round pendant
in lfr you just tank all the electric jaws and it only hurts at like 6+ stacks
solar shadow
it's sad I have to ditch my warrior for prot paladin fotm
strong forum
I got PI when I had to afk 
it was so sad
round pendant
lmao
I did a normal raz and I was like 2nd on dps and everyone was like whoa HOW IS TANK TOP DAMAGE
feels good man
strong forum
Literally 50% afk cuz I'd rip if other tanks taunt fell off
tropic gorge
And here I thought pwar was fotm
solar shadow
I was doing normal sennarth or something and the other tank, after asking me if I knew this fight and to taunt at 6 stacks, suddenly found myself at 40 stacks
strong forum
Pwar isn't fotm anymore
tropic gorge
Literally 50% afk cuz I'd rip if other tanks taunt fell off
Were you guys close in ilvl?
sick sentinel
dont i have to buy a speical socket item to socket lariat
strong forum
I was doing normal sennarth or something and the other tank, after asking me if ...
X
That's the biggest cap
I've ever seen
tropic gorge
I've had dudes that had major ilvl gap on me do that. Just outright rip threat
solar shadow
I think it was 35
sick sentinel
and then a special gem for that special slot, and i think i get get 2 normal and 1 special gem in there
strong forum
Yeah nah
sick sentinel
i dunno how tf that works
solar shadow
Ok
strong forum
Log or didn't happen
strong forum
35 fucking stacks even on normal will literally overkill you by like 4 times
solar shadow
spell reflect goes crazy
round pendant
solar shadow
oh then idfk
ripe seal
Starts to hurt at 13-15 from my experience
solar shadow
i was living tho
strong forum
So until you bring proof that's a major cap
solar shadow
look maybe i'm just hitting the buttons better
sick sentinel
cuz im gunna get a 405 lariat today porbably that i will eventuall upgrade into a 418 some day
round pendant
Which tank does the most damage in single target?
strong forum
Bear
sick sentinel
so, i dunno how the gems part of that works
wispy canopy
got to 17 stacks on sennarth HC early in season, my "co-tank" was afk, didn't end well
tropic gorge
I'm 401 ilvl and 6 stacks can do a decent amount of dmg to me. Not like "you gon die son" dmg but noticeable
sick sentinel
it only shows 1 gems and i see ppl with 3 i think fo rit
round pendant
Bear 
tropic gorge
I could probably take 10 stacks semi OK
strong forum
it only shows 1 gems and i see ppl with 3 i think fo rit
You can apply 3 sockets on your neck afterwards
With tiered medallion setting
You need r2 for 2 sockets, and then r3 for the 3rd socket
Work on every neck
tropic gorge
You could be dumb like me and apply 3 star to all of em
sick sentinel
im curiosu how the other 2 slots get added since it statrs with 1 and what type the first one is
round pendant
im curiosu how the other 2 slots get added since it statrs with 1 and what type...
1x t2 medallion setting
1x t3 medallion setting
sick sentinel
what item i would need to buy to complete it, i dunno if i gotta do like vualt token socket thingies
round pendant
nome just explained it
tropic gorge
You craft it or buy it off the ah
sick sentinel
oh, its like an addon material like the -15% to fail for engineer
sick sentinel
so it's these
polar pivot
How easy is it to get geared out as fresh 70 to tank?
tropic gorge
I still haven't had a main Stat gem made for my lariat yet. I'm a damn slacker
strong forum
How easy is it to get geared out as fresh 70 to tank?
Depends on your friends
tropic gorge
How easy is it to get geared out as fresh 70 to tank?
Run a few m0 then start keys. Depending on speed you can do it in a weekend
If you enjoy punishment you can do lfr also
strong forum
If you know what you're doing you can jump straight into 16-20s and have a group of people
If you're pugging I'd try with 10-12s
And just go from there
sick sentinel
interesting, i still remember days of TBC, put 2 red gems and 1 yellow in some leather chest piece i got
strong forum
Craft your 5 spark items
tropic gorge
If your new to warrior or tanking, legit start with heroic dungeons spam to get the basics down
strong forum
If you've never tanked then yeah, take it slow
polar pivot
What Ilvl you recommend for M0?
strong forum
320 or less
solar shadow
doesnt matter
faint mica
whats the ilvl recommanded to be "comfortable" with +20 spamming?
sick sentinel
im gunna look up the material cost of lariat now
tropic gorge
You can do m0 right out of the gate
solar shadow
whats the ilvl recommanded to be "comfortable" with +20 spamming?
400 or so
strong forum
whats the ilvl recommanded to be "comfortable" with +20 spamming?
I'd say around 400?
tropic gorge
It's what, 10 percent or less more than heroic?
solar shadow
20s drop 405, 400 is more than enough for them
tropic gorge
Highly skilled players can do 20 at ilvl 4p0
sick sentinel
what about the special gem, is that AH or crafted
wooden widget
Get to 410
tropic gorge
But most of us can't
tropic gorge
You'll also have difficulty getting invites out of lfg into 20s and higher if your a pug runner
wooden widget
That’s just so wildly misleading
solar shadow
all you gotta do is keep up shield block
strong forum
With increased key scaling its closer to 7
solar shadow
and run the route
faint mica
I mean I've done so at 400 but I feel weak (def stance etc)
strong forum
How is that misleading
faint mica
but this doesn't require THAT much skill tbh
plush tendon
you can tank 20s at 400 Ilevel... will a group take you is the question
strong forum
We all started with lower gear
round pendant
Run your own key
wooden widget
Because people asking that question don’t have a premade
solar shadow
if you have a main with 3k io, they will take you
strong forum
Yeah but even a 400 ilvl tank in pugs is fine in 20s
tropic gorge
Yeah at below gatekeeper Ivl you'll ha e to run your key
strong forum
It's not the gear that'll gatekeep you at that point
round pendant
The question wasn't "What io do I need to be allowed into +20s"
lunar gazelle
Yeah but even a 400 ilvl tank in pugs is fine in 20s
ur never gonna get accepted
strong forum
That's not what was asked
tropic gorge
You can at 400 with proper io. But you'll never get an invite to a 20 without good io
wooden widget
Yeah but that’s not realistic. If you don’t have io and you don’t have ILvl you’re not getting into pug 20s
strong forum
That's still not what was asked
tropic gorge
Not exactly no. But what was asked isn't the same as what will actually occur
solar shadow
people invite my rat 398 warrior to their 20 keys
and it goes mostly fine? from my end anyways
wooden widget
True it was a vague question
round pendant
It was quite an explicit question
strong forum
He asked what ilvl for 20s, I answered. If he doesn't get invited that's another topic
faint mica
I didn't asked what should I have to pug 20, I was just asking how much ilvl is "recommanded" to be "comfortable" with tanking 20 keys tbf
solar shadow
Thats a tough question to answer because it's highly skill dependent
e.g. a 20 COS was tanked by a naked warrior with only trinkets weps and a lariat
faint mica
is cos a key or a walk in the parc?
strong forum
Walk in the park
solar shadow
there are alot of frontals and not many mobs hit hard outside of that
faint mica
nvm got my answer thx 🙂
solar shadow
so if you can dodge well, walk in the park
strong forum
0 tank dmg
tropic gorge
Cos is hold w. You can rng get a bad combo before the 2nd boss tbo
sick sentinel
lariat material costs ~ 5k
solar shadow
Shadow Slash and the Vampire Shadow Bolt dude are the only reasonably high dmg tank busters
strong forum
You can outrange it even
sick sentinel
for first craft at least
surreal birch
Do we still put main stat gem into lariat, or pop it into something else?
surreal birch
Oh good I rememeber people talking about having stat gem lowering lariat procs or smthn like that
tropic gorge
Always reflect vamp claw
strong forum
That's just misinformation with lariat
surreal birch
good to know
tropic gorge
I love reflecting that. It can hurt sometimes
tropic gorge
Woah I didn't know that
tropic gorge
I always thought it was just gems in the neck holy shit
That's even more powerful than I thought
strong forum
How
It's the same probability
Nothing changes with that information
The proc doesn't occur more often or stronger depending on how many gems you have
plush tendon
DH does a lot of damage 
distant crystal
The proc doesn't occur more often or stronger depending on how many gems you hav...
but with two additional gems you can get the full rainbow of stat procs 
cinder nova
How many stacks should the M sennarth add get to before its a serious issue
cinder nova
Okay how many stacks is that
dapper jetty
6 is danger territory, 7+ the raid is probably dead
cinder nova
We're falling over around 5
dapper jetty
are your healers using a healing rotation?
cinder nova
Yeah
dapper jetty
2x big raid healing cooldowns per add?
cinder nova
No, we're saving CDs on the burst
dapper jetty
not really sure then - we use 2 x big healing CDs and 5 heal it, dont run into that many issues
yeah you need a minimum of 1 raid healing cooldown on that add (think Rewind or Ancestral Guidance) but 2 is safer
personals + healthstones + pots, and also make sure all the DPS are actually switching onto the add - sometimes people like to continue to pump Sennarth cause parse we've seen
First add we only use one healing CD due to bloodlust though. If you have an evoker they can get the first add without any healing CDs with 3xTA in Stasis then Verdant Embrace -> Emerald Communion for a 20% raidwide heal every second for 5s
jaunty orbit
Hey guys we had a DH and me about to go into Brood, whos best on adds and best on boss?
What would be rougher
Any specific pain points etc
potent harbor
Guys tell me, how u overcome pug braindead ppl hell? i just cant finish any 22 key, i cant and yes im crying, it doesnt matter 3k rio, 4k rio, same mistakes over and over on most stupid shit ever, ye u can say everyone does mistakes blabla, but on trivial things? its so tiring, i thought okay ill reach 3k border it will be fine, NO, its still same bullshiet, so where is magic? playing 20 hours a day and pray? make team is totally impossible, noone wants on disc channels, i dont know, maybe im tired, i was always super positive with isnane determination, but this is killing me so fucking hard
undone verge
How many stacks should the M sennarth add get to before its a serious issue
Before it’s second breath is how I judge it
jaunty orbit
I should also Say Mythic just incase
jagged pier
Guys tell me, how u overcome pug braindead ppl hell? i just cant finish any 22 k...
u get your own dedicated group
sick sentinel
small amount of valor farm remaining and good to go
potent harbor
@jagged pier i jsut dont know how to make it, its always same scenario, u try make it, then any mistake or key deplete and ppl break
guess trying over and over?
jagged pier
that or pug
potent harbor
nah bro im done with pug
plush tendon
I should also Say Mythic just incase
jaunty orbit
Alrady done this
plush tendon
I filtered logs for Broodkeeper kills with 1 Prot and 1 VDH
jaunty orbit
we tallyed it all together and its pretty even
polar pivot
I think DH would be better
midgation wise or dmg?
jaunty orbit
As you have to go into Exe to see no overlaps
plush tendon
midgation wise or dmg?
Mitagation wise; I played BDK for our brood kill (boss tank) and it was pretty chill
lyric laurel
Does it matter which 1hand item I craft?
plush tendon
the adds also were generally fine once our warrior tank and add group figured it out
tropic gorge
nah bro im done with pug
The mythic plus friends discord might help you
Can I link a discord here?
plush tendon
and VDH seems closer to a BDK then a Prot War is
and oddly enough Brood was one of my guilds better fights; only 47 pulls before a kill
and I think VDH plays Feiry Brand on that fight so you get double charge of that ability, so you can pretty much brand each mortal strike thingy
but honestly, might be better to ask the VDHs what they think; I just have a feeling that Prot tanking boss sounds like a pain
potent harbor
@tropic gorge im actually there, whsipering each single person around my score for team, doing it like 10 days, its always same, we go key together, its okay okay, then one deplete, team breaks
tropic gorge
Damn
lyric laurel
Are any of the weapons fine for crafting for tanking? And any certain embiask?
tropic gorge
Yeah in the 20s people seem to run into leavers a lot
potent harbor
like in kindergarten reeee we have to be isnane no mistakes ever u know
forest coral
Tanking boss on prot was very easy
tropic gorge
Lol yup. One death or wipe = gg no re
plush tendon
Tanking boss on prot was very easy
so you saying I could sneak my Prot Warrior in on a reclear
potent harbor
nah i mean tema breaks after deplete not in dungeon,
potent harbor
but ye fuck it guess i have to try over and over until i find solid people who are no sowflakes
snowflakes
plush tendon
imo, the best strat to get some good M+ is to join a mythic raid guild and just do keys with the bois you raid with
potent harbor
well i have solid m+ guild, we are Dathea, but ppl here around 2,7 and ill not change raid guild jsut cause of it
plush tendon
M+ pug life is a flippin nightmare
theres bound to be at least 2-3 people who want to get into pushing
and just dont know how
dusky canopy
Keys with the bois is essentially pugging unless someone takes on the mantle of calling stops
Simply Being in voice is a advantage though
potent harbor
ye voice is so huge advantage
plush tendon
Keys with the bois is essentially pugging unless someone takes on the mantle of ...
not exactly; do enough keys with the same person, and you start learning what they like to do
or what things they struggle with/excel at
dusky canopy
Maybe it’s a skill thing but in my experience I have a easier time pugging my 8 20s every week vs doing them with the homies
potent harbor
biggest think is voice, since i love leadershipping and call out all shit its do huge, i can imagine dpsers in pug are braindeadly doing dps and ignore everything around so when u actually tell them avoid this and this its already diff between deplete or succeed
dusky canopy
I think it’s mostly because we all are used to pugging so we all try to handle all the stops at the same time
potent harbor
@dusky canopy ye but its 20, 20 is like i dont know kinda meh, im not saying my 22/23 is somethign godlike but its kinda difference and pug is just tragic at this
dusky canopy
Then we have no stops left and struggle
lyric laurel
Are any of the weapons fine for crafting for tanking? And any certain embiask?
forest coral
so you saying I could sneak my Prot Warrior in on a reclear
For sure.. you’ll need 2-3 externals through the egg phase when shield wall isn’t up but it was easy to do / coordinate
plush tendon
For sure.. you’ll need 2-3 externals through the egg phase when shield wall isn’...
yea... this is the issue
changing the strat cause I want to play warrior
and blood is like 'i got AMS kek'
dusky canopy
<@224952758808215555> ye but its 20, 20 is like i dont know kinda meh, im not s...
Yeah I’m only a 2800 Andy pugging
So my mileage varies
rough delta
I’m new to Prot warrior. Is there a add-on or weak aura that helps you know when incoming magic damage is happening to use spell reflect?
plush tendon
Are any of the weapons fine for crafting for tanking? And any certain embiask?
craft what you like for TMOG (just make sure it has strength on it!)
embellishments: lariat, frostfire belt, the wep bleed thing, or the 1% vers bracers all good options
tame jasper
I’m new to Prot warrior. Is there a add-on or weak aura that helps you know when...
yes. spell reflect essentiels (dragonflight)
rough delta
Thank you
plush tendon
Maybe it’s a skill thing but in my experience I have a easier time pugging my 8 ...
eh, more fun with the homies
and then rotating rats
potent harbor
@dusky canopy ye around that pug was fine and it was doable, i dont know maybe i have bad week, but imt rying to do 3rd day 22/23 with pug, each day 8 hours, impossible
plush tendon
for dem weekly vaults
potent harbor
u tell them route, u tell them what we do u tell them what focus on, what is dangerous
but nah not enough man
theres always way they suprirse u how to die
my academy, ravager pull with samall dragonitoes, hunter two times 3K guy btw, got marked with jump, he baited jump into sanguine two times
nah ill not even start with shit i see this week
its for whole book
sometimes u feel like in some comedy, and u thinking that they acting and u are in hidden camera
or maybe im not getting something maybe playing class like beastmaster hunter is actualyl ahrd with that two button rotation and u cant focus on mechs
in the end i play braindead prot war
dusky canopy
eh, more fun with the homies
This is very true ye
potent harbor
nah nvm im starting be arrogant ignore me
high basalt
Hey guys is there anyway of seeing our uptime of our 2 set anywhere? Ty
sterile bough
buffs on details
high basalt
What is a good average uptime please for m+? Ty
plush tendon
100%?
sick sentinel
dumb question but can you only block frontal damage? and if so, does that extend to sides aswell
undone verge
dumb question but can you only block frontal damage? and if so, does that extend...
It’s 180 degrees iirc
undone verge
What is a good average uptime please for m+? Ty
Strive for 100%, don’t stress it too hard tho. Worry more about Cast priority if your uptime is lower than you want it to be
Same thing with IP. Don’t burn yourself out trying to get that 100% uptime. High uptime comes with good play and health rage management
royal rune
does personal space amp work?
serene flower
For high keys like 21+ do you spend most or time in offensive or defensive stance? Damage output seems really high to stay in offensive
fresh igloo
switch as needed
20+ tyr bosses you might go in to Dstance for tank busters
fort obv depends on the mobs and how locked down they are.
throw damage and threat as much as you can until you need more mitigation
sterile bough
For high keys like 21+ do you spend most or time in offensive or defensive stanc...
21 is medium key, stick in offensive stance
also wehn u are trying new pulls / diffrent way of pulling its nice to be in def stance
sick sentinel
i don't understand
3 meless and 2 snap shots
Is there anything special I can do for the rock guys in azure vault
I feel like on pulls with 3 on fort week they clap my cheeks
Which like usually I’d be in to but they’re not my type
(Specifically piercing shard casts)
i have a log of what happened just, this is what killed me
acoustic stone
You can stun and interupt piercing shards
balmy canyon
You were sub 50% for at least 5 seconds. And it looks like just passive healing on you, prot can't easily raise our health that's a healer job, we just try to keep it from going down
sick sentinel
You can stun and interupt piercing shards
Stun yes, interrupt - really?
Didn’t know, I’ll try that. Ty
acoustic stone
I normally try to rotate through our group stuns and then if I have to eat one I pop a cd
acoustic stone
Stun yes, interrupt - really?
And stun to interupt, you are correct that you can't kick/pummel it
plush tendon
stuns->defensives
sick sentinel
there was some guy in our group, and he died to dragon breath and he went LAG in chat and then he also died to something els as well
stark furnace
Sweet ty for advice
You can also los them on some locations, if you do the whelp pulls, the ones where theres just two, should be able to cycle through group stuns and fear
sick sentinel
Yeah I used to never do the whelp pulls and just do giga pulls on frogs but now every group seems to expect the whelps
stark furnace
Fok frogs
sick sentinel
And like 2/5 people In the group won’t realize that piercing is a frontal
I just want KSM man that’s all
plush tendon
I mean, for KSM
just dont wipe
key level is not high enough to worry about anything else
sick sentinel
That’s my reason for just going safe routes, but people get giga mad
I had someone insta quit cause I didn’t pull the second whelp pack
In a +13
fresh igloo
Yeah I used to never do the whelp pulls and just do giga pulls on frogs but now ...
people love to imitate MDI strats without knowing anything about why/how it works.
fresh igloo
I had someone insta quit cause I didn’t pull the second whelp pack
have a route, build it, share it at the start "this is what i'm doing"
acoustic stone
Slow and steady will get you through 20s if you play clean
fresh igloo
they can leave before the key starts that way.
acoustic stone
You really don't need to get fancy until much higher keys
sick sentinel
have a route, build it, share it at the start "this is what i'm doing"
If the people who insta left keys and the people who had dungeon tools I could share paths to were same same people … the world would be a nice place
modern brook
I mean
If your prog is ksm
And your pugging it
The solution to shit pugs
Is go again
sick sentinel
Facts
plush tendon
sick sentinel
I’ve just been grinding it out
sick sentinel
The stun rotation is gonna help a lot tho I think, I’ll just mark shit
modern brook
You'll find 4 that complete a 13
sick sentinel
Yeah I guess the other thing is when a group wipes and I’m tanking I always feel like it’s my fault but I guess this isn’t Therapyhold so that one I’ll have to figure out on my own
fresh igloo
If the people who insta left keys and the people who had dungeon tools I could s...
all you can do is your best. can't control what other people do.
i avoid pugs like the plague for this exact kind of reason lol
violet flume
pugging is my only recourse feelsbadman
cinder storm
I did a hov 21 yesterday, two of the pugs were alts, their mains 3.1, alts 2.8, both of them were really bad players, one worse than the other
violet flume
getting into +20s now, my goal is to get every dungeon teleport.. its painful
alwasys some 416 ilevel guy pulling 390 ilevel dps, someone dies all the time, one guy leaves early cause of a minor inconvenience
cinder storm
People who get to high io pugging will insta leave a key and apply to another right away with not even one care, they don't really sharpen their skills by doing so, but eventually they get to where they want to get io wise
violet flume
was 40sec from timing vault yesterday in a group that seemed smooth enough but that one is more on me at least, shouldve pulled more
acoustic stone
had a rogue leave a nokhud +16 before tempest because the healer kept clearing thundering on him too early
violet flume
lol
acoustic stone
was absolutely smashing before then, some people are just idiots
spring kestrel
Hei guys, how warriors survive on 3rd boss in temple +21 +22?
violet flume
my pet peeve is people leaving after one wipe on completiongroups
cinder storm
Hei guys, how warriors survive on 3rd boss in temple +21 +22?
Pins
spring kestrel
Pins?
sick sentinel
Hei guys, how warriors survive on 3rd boss in temple +21 +22?
Def use the pins, I’m not quite that high up but corner tanking helped a LOT
cinder storm
sick sentinel
Lil pin icon in the top right
plush tendon
acoustic stone
fresh igloo
or if you're on mobile check the swipe tray on the right side
sick sentinel
I guess that doesn’t mention the corner thing
But tanking her in a corner seems to help my group make that boss super easy
violet flume
i never thought about that
sick sentinel
Basically makes 2 of her lil shooty things go away
violet flume
does it really help taht much? i guess its less confusing
sick sentinel
It’s nice when pugging prevents the dps from taking extra dam which means healer focuses me more
cinder storm
Yesterday on cos 22, fighting last add before boss, 4 mins to spare, rogue leaves, my guess is he felt too good to give the other dps who was very low on dps "free Io" guy had barely any cc
sick sentinel
- note I’ve only done tyrannical +14 there but I was consistently wiping before doing that
cinder storm
But they look at details and they are like "but muh dps bruh"
plush tendon
People are strange
violet flume
in my experience leavers and whiners are almost always underperforming
or high dps but first to die somehow
plush tendon
theyll even leave their own key XD
acoustic stone
Can't DPS when you're dead
plush tendon
only time thats happened to me this season; 22 AV, Shaman leaves after not clearing thundering
sterile bough
i have a log of what happened just, this is what killed me
u were afk for 5 sec
plush tendon
and the rest of us were like 'this is his key yea?'
cinder storm
I've met people who honestly don't want depleted keys on their rio page
And that's a super cringe statement
But dps brain works weird so I shouldn't be surprised
violet flume
ive been getting hit by thundering more lately, ive been feeling lazy about clearing since they made tank always the same polarity :/
plush tendon
thundering clears has only been a problem with mechanic overlaps
like storm boss in NO
violet flume
means a 3 people stun which is almost always a wipe
sterile bough
ive been getting hit by thundering more lately, ive been feeling lazy about clea...
as a tank I dont remember even clearing last time with people KEKW
plush tendon
when he puts lightning around everyone and we needed to clear like 5 seconds ago
and we all just stand there like 'ah shit'
violet flume
as a tank I dont remember even clearing last time with people KEKW
yeah lmao, i feel like i shouldnt ever have to do it but if it happens it means i failed too
cinder storm
I always tell people after a thundering wipe "your 2-3% extra dmg won't make or break the key, us wiping because you are lazy will"
violet flume
yeah
sometimes im surprised at people
they stand next to me, clearly meaning to clear eventually.. and they clear at 7sec
plush tendon
and it depends on key level to; I would say you could clear insta anything below a 22
sick sentinel
i went afk?
violet flume
and they stay there so its not like theres a hurry to clear
plush tendon
but obviously, playing the mech well reap pretty good rewards
especially if it lines up; like our DH on our AA tree pull got Thundering at the start and hit a million dps
we were so hyped
tropic gorge
Thundering the 2nd seasonal I liked. I really enjoyed the seasonal from sl
cinder storm
Yeah def, there are places where it's best to clear right away and places where it's safe to hold, but then you see someone doing 50k on ST and clearing too early or not clearing
fresh igloo
love it when thundering happens as you just finish a pack and you have a long walk to the next one lol
plush tendon
actually the worst
tropic gorge
I also like people that instantly clear it
Like damn guys. At least wait for the dbm timer to speak up
sterile bough
love it when thundering happens as you just finish a pack and you have a long wa...
YEP everythime that happens im like " what a great affix, hope the devs are having a good day"
fresh igloo
if healer wants to clear on me early so they don't have to at a bad time? 👍🏻 if they have to hit a dps with it? less ideal, but still not gonna complain.
would rather have an early cleared healer than a stunned one.
plush tendon
the other strat to deal with Thundering.... dont invite range
3 melee
and a dragon healer
or HPal
fresh igloo
lot of incentive for ranged to be in closer lately anyways
plush tendon
eh, I still see em out in Narnia half the time
not really sure where they are or what they doing
just jammin on their casts
fresh igloo
even in pre-made group my prevoker is constantly yelling at our ranged about their positioning lol
cinder storm
Yeah, they need to be in front of the healer to be effective
plush tendon
I yell at my boomie friend
his great weekness is, and forever will be, knowing where they hell hes standing
cinder storm
Have him pvp a day or two
plush tendon
I've tried
dusky canopy
PVP!?!?
plush tendon
but cause he also restos
dusky canopy
fresh igloo
Going back to the jade temple 3rd boss convo earlier, are people doing a lot of positioning on the wall, corner, or just leaving in the middle of the room?
cinder storm
Fastest way to go from "where am I" to "gotta protect my healer and have a visual acuity of an eagle"
fresh igloo
I got to 20s not worrying about it, but was considering experimenting w/it
plush tendon
if your group finds they prefer something else and it works better for them, do that
I just dont see the benefit for my group
uneven mason
his great weekness is, and forever will be, knowing where they hell hes standing
Give him a weak aura that puts everything in his characters ass, move his hot bars to the side and make them tiny, eyes on feet is 100% the fix
plush tendon
Give him a weak aura that puts everything in his characters ass, move his hot ba...
oh, his UI is a mess
cinder storm
Going back to the jade temple 3rd boss convo earlier, are people doing a lot of ...
Stay in the middle, boss does an X patter then + you tank her let's say looking to the east then after first jade you tank her looking to the north then you alternate
uneven mason
Literally people who die to stupidity are like driving blind because nothing important is where their eyes need to be
plush tendon
cinder storm
oh, his UI is a mess
I'm still mad I get tainted UI with no clear indication, I don't want to go back to elvui, fps chugger
dusky canopy
Group does the same
fresh igloo
Stay in the middle, boss does an X patter then + you tank her let's say looking ...
I just need to figure out a way to be more consistent with her positioning then. she likes to dance around a bit when I have to move out for the circle and it's annoying.
cinder storm
Happens to everyone specially when you charge back
plush tendon
as long as shes close enough its fine
you can also just move her a little back to be centered
not a huge deal
tropic gorge
Elvui has no performance impact if you have a good pc
cinder storm
On that note, I hate when some adds dance around you like cos last add
fresh igloo
On that note, I hate when some adds dance around you like cos last add
or fuckin' thunderhead in RLP
cinder storm
Elvui has no performance impact if you have a good pc
My 1080ti still has firepower
tropic gorge
On that note, I hate when some adds dance around you like cos last add
I've noticed mobs doing that also. Esp cos
I actually kinda like that they do that. I view it as a pay attention check. Wod enemies were always trying to flank the tank
sick sentinel
What shields do y’all use I have no shield luck
I’ve been pushing arena rating for the sole purpose of leveling my gladiator shield lol
tropic gorge
Av drops a best in slot m+, I crafted a shield
Then an hour later the av one dropped. So yah, rng ftw lmao
sick sentinel
Av drops a best in slot m+, I crafted a shield
In my experience AV drops no such thing
tropic gorge
To get it to drop you gotta craft one first lmaoooo
Cause that's how it always goes. Farm it, never see it. Craft it, drops next run
steel frost
My 1080ti still has firepower <:sadge:820202363359854633>
my 980ti still slapping
sick sentinel
I just got a spark out of a chest yesterday 🤔
Low key the best dollar for dollar upgrade you can make for retail is to get an SSD if you don’t already have one
tropic gorge
Yup yup
Nvme is too fast for the games servers. I noticed no real difference between nvme and ssd for wow
lyric laurel
Is this week the easiest for m+ for affixes or is there even an easier week?
cinder storm
I have one SSD for windows and I think wow is there, but in hindsight, I should just get another one and put everything there game related
cinder storm
Is this week the easiest for m+ for affixes or is there even an easier week?
This week is a push week, but somehow, dps (for me) are playing worse than the previous weeks
tropic gorge
Bubbles you should boot from nvme if it's an option
My desktop is legit faster than a laptop for booting (and my phone)
cinder storm
I upgraded my pc 2 years ago? first time hearing about nvme ssd, I usually stop updating myself with pc component information until its time
Same thing happened with usb-c cable, I thought all of the were the same
tropic gorge
Check if your board supports it
Nvme is basically connecting a drive to your cpu via pcie bus
cinder storm
wow, going over the middle man
uneven mason
My desktop is legit faster than a laptop for booting (and my phone)
4.8s button to login nvme legit is crazy
tropic gorge
The way my area is setup my desktop sits behind a TV. I can power on the pc, and before I sit down it's at a login prompt lol
uneven mason
Grew up with 3600rpm 16kb cache HD, for my first 3.1 machine
cinder storm
My board seems to support nvme, will double check and get one if its that crazy
uneven mason
My board seems to support nvme, will double check and get one if its that crazy
Just depends on if it shares lanes with your GPU
cinder storm
My first pc was one of those Compaq pcs, monitor was cool at the time
tropic gorge
Compaq used to be a respected pc builder back in the hayday when Dell and gateway were also huge
cinder storm
Haha yeah, good ol days, when you could call everyone in the world from msn
tropic gorge
Compaq used to sell fairly fast machines compared to dell
uneven mason
Compaq used to be a respected pc builder back in the hayday when Dell and gatewa...
No, not really
Compaq was the Walmart special
chilly brook
Nvme is super nice
cinder storm
My fondest memory was trying to download ragnarok online with dialup and no way to pause downloads back then, eventually I found an app that could do it
1.1gb for a whole week
chilly brook
I still remember having 4 disks to install WoW
uneven mason
My fondest memory was trying to download ragnarok online with dialup and no way ...
Diablo demo, 66.6 mb on a 9600 connection
chilly brook
Man such a different time
I get impatient if something takes more than 10 minutes to download and install
uneven mason
Paying a 400$ phone bill April of 1999
cinder storm
My friend and I have this believe, because some players are young they don't know how to be patient and understanding, we were raised like that because there was no other way
So they just leave keys
chilly brook
And then I look back and remember how I would just sit and watch the slideshow of different photos and music when installing WoW
cinder storm
Reading the manual while something was installing because the anticipation was also fun
tropic gorge
Didn't pay for access until I got high speed net
chilly brook
So they just leave keys
Or they’ve just done way more keys than you have and their tolerance for things is very destroyed as a result
chilly brook
Reading the manual while something was installing because the anticipation was a...
I miss old manuals
Oblivion/Morrowind manuals were BiS
tropic gorge
The book for alpha centauri was amazing
chilly brook
I remember the wow one being a straight up book
uneven mason
Remember when DRM, meant you needed the original manual because they would ask you to enter the 5th word on the 11th page
cinder storm
Even the smash bros manual was like a small book iirc
tropic gorge
Lol yes
slim dove
The wow starter book was amazing
tropic gorge
No cd cracks were great too
slim dove
The dwarf fighting the yeti? Hell yes dude
The strategy guide recommending warriors to learn first aid
uneven mason
I still have my Kings Quest 3 and 4 manual....
Because Incase I ever want to install them I'll need to know what the character in the image on page 14 is named
uneven mason
The strategy guide recommending warriors to learn first aid <:gladge:96397013770...
First aid literally the best skill in wow, I cried a little when they removed it
glass bluff
Would it be viable to macro Shield Block with another ability for less buttons, or should it stay by itself?
cinder storm
stay by itself
uneven mason
Would it be viable to macro Shield Block with another ability for less buttons, ...
The only regular macro should be to have shield slam after IP
Maybe avatar and charge
fresh igloo
could put shield slam after shield block as well. def still need separate button for shield slam though.
modern brook
Wow I love prot warrior it's so cool
rain light
oh why did i think sang/volc was next week..
strong forum
for some reason i thought its raging this week
rain light
gonna try to get my last 3 timed 20s done this week
tropic gorge
It's a good week for it
My few runs so far have been decent. Few brain dead dps but that's fairly common across all skill areas it seems
uneven mason
Mental note, push keys, stop farming torghast for xmogs
sick sentinel
caster mob says hello
uneven mason
Vdh might need their brown pants though
sick sentinel
lightning bastard from HOV gets raging bolstersed