protection

[woven trellis]

fine

[wooden widget]

Big toe is 20 seconds of breathing. You get forced away from mobs for any reason you lose dam

[urban portal]

well thats all stats trinket

and so is whetstone

if you walk away with whetstone you lose dam

[restive crown]

is bloodmallet accurate for us?

[urban portal]

its not accurate for any spec

you should sim yourself

or pay for premium bloodmallet

[restive crown]

my friend said this lol

[amber siren]

I mean yeah technically correct? But the entire point is that you're very very unlikely to be wearing the same shit

It's a template, nothing more

[restive crown]

ahhhhh

alright alright

thank you

[sick sentinel]

EU up yet?

[urban portal]

That’s exactly right

But you aren’t bis

If you are bis you don’t need to sim

[restive crown]

but it's more accurate if you are like 417-420?

[urban portal]

No

So let’s say you are high on crit

Hunger wouldn’t be that good

But if you were haste vers

Hunger would be pretty good

I’m not saying for prot warrior but as a general statement

[restive crown]

ahhh ok!

[real osprey]

How much haste is generally "enough"? I'm at around 28% (without ITF)

[amber siren]

40% unbuffed, no ITF

It's nearly an unreachable number so it's not something to really think about

[real osprey]

So what's the sweet spot for switching from ITF to HR?

[warm plinth]

35+% before talents

The number next to the rating in this image

[real osprey]

gotcha, thanks

[sick sentinel]

What does having 35% before talents give us

[warm plinth]

The ability to maintain shield block enough without heavy repercussions that you aren't going to fall over in keys due to lack of shield block

[shut wing]

Yo fellas. Having a tough day trying to time 21s. Lots of mobs with hard casts that love sticking in sanguine. Yet I can be running around all with time with frontals. How are you guys working through this? I feel like I should be pulling more aggressively full throttle but then someone misses an interrupt and a dps gets jfk one shot then things spiral from there

Cant*

Kind of lost on how to approach this. Obviously don’t have mdi level of coordination but any advice helps

[shell mortar]

Get aoe kick, very good for your described scenario

[shut wing]

Assassin rogues wya 😭

[shell mortar]

Having a guy with a knockback (druid, dragon, monk) or grips (DK) is good

Prot warr has an aoe kick talent

[shut wing]

Worth taking this week?

[shell mortar]

Yeah

[shut wing]

K

[real osprey]

Also ask dps to focus casters first, try for even kills, melee adds don't matter since they'll follow you

[shut wing]

Healer dragons have knock back? Or dps

[shell mortar]

Both

It's their racial

[shut wing]

Sick

Thanks fellas

[brittle wave]

Hey, what's everyone's stat ratio for m+? I'm comfortable in tanking 20s with around 12-14% vers but unsure if i need more.

[amber siren]

I'm gemmed/enchanted for arms though

[hazy sluice]

U don't need vers at all for surviving as a tank

That's more a DPS/healer thing for super high keys

[amber siren]

[split remnant]

Am I taking 421 set piece chest just for transmog or am I taking 3ilvl upgrade on shoulders I already have? 😮

I think transmog is much better than stats right

[rough egret]

3ilvl on shoulders 421 ->424?

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801876810261463041.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[amber siren]

[night oracle]

is crit useful for prot

[rough egret]

I had 1 option this week

[jagged pier]

very useful

[night oracle]

healing wise ?

[rough egret]

And won legs 🙂

[night oracle]

26% not sure if it's toomuch

[rough egret]

Healing?

[night oracle]

https://gyazo.com/c07647d6be0729c6f550957c8e3e98b3

i mean we heal for 1% every 10 rage spent afaik

[jagged pier]

amount of secondary stats dont matter

crit is actually our best offensive and defensive stat after haste

so its great

[night oracle]

no wonder i saw highio prot with double crithaste rings

thanks

[timber wasp]

I thought versa was our best after haste?

[limpid anchor]

Vers is a bait

It’s just a flat stat, that helps with/against everything

[sick sentinel]

Noob trap imo

[timber wasp]

Ah thats fair

I got this ring which I thought was pretty good

[warm plinth]

Let's be clear. Vers is not a bad stat. We like vers. We just don't need to stack it like a lot of people claim.

It is good.

[jagged pier]

that is a good ring

[timber wasp]

Ah cool

So basically like..

Haste >>>> vers=crit?

[brittle owl]

versatility is a crutch

[timber wasp]

And then mastery can fuck off

[warm plinth]

Basically you want ilevel first, then things with haste, then things with haste and crit or vers, then things with haste or mastery

haste and mastery*

[timber wasp]

Ahh okay

[warm plinth]

Mastery isn't bad either; it's just our worst relative secondary

[timber wasp]

When I get my 418s I should start making them haste crit instead of haste versa then

[limpid anchor]

But it doesn’t make it the best choice

[warm plinth]

Yeah crit will give you more damage and is really good in keys especially for the parry

[timber wasp]

Tbf Im already beating 2 or 3 dps every key

[warm plinth]

pwar life

[timber wasp]

Last dung I did 51k and the 3 dps were under 45k -_-

[warm plinth]

oof

[minor forge]

I usually have less dps than my druid, half the hps but still am twice as durable
Same ilvl same key range(16-18)

[limpid anchor]

Pwar is just busted af

[jagged pier]

ok but we arent even the strongest tank

or highest dps tank

[minor forge]

I think im just a better bear than warrior
Still new to warr
But 55k versus 27k diff in algethar
29k hps versus 18k etc

[sick sentinel]

what ilvl is ulduar timewalking

[indigo wharf]

with full set of sockets is any sense to craft dereamer's idol?

[timber wasp]

True

[sick sentinel]

damn nerf prot war wtf

[limpid anchor]

Pwar oppresses us for months

Nerf when

[jagged pier]

:/

[split remnant]

418-421. Can you have 424 shoulders? 😮

[jagged pier]

yer from mythic raid

[split remnant]

But not from m+

?

[jagged pier]

not from m+ no

[split remnant]

Kk. So I did the sim thing everyone is talking about and 3ilvl upgrade on shoudlers, from 418to 421 is 0.2% dmg increase

if I did it correctly

I am 418ilvl overall. I am not failing keys because my ilvl is low. can I take the transmog? 😦

[limpid anchor]

Do what your heart desires

[split remnant]

I would be in jail

I LOVE cocain

[rough egret]

Just dont get caught

Fast!

[jaunty atlas]

Hi Everyone just a quick question, which ring is better on war overall between Seal of Diurna's Chosen and Seal of Filial Duty ( I play arm and prot in the same time )

[jagged pier]

dps ring

[jaunty atlas]

you mean Seal of Diurna's Chosen ?

[jagged pier]

if thats they one that does dps

[ionic plank]

it is

[zinc shale]

🤔

[fallow beacon]

2 more 99s tonight

[vocal nimbus]

have they stealth nerfed last boss of AV?

arcane orbs spawned way easier

[solar shadow]

they hotfixed the orbs to no longer chase players

[lime urchin]

That changed two resets ago and now the boss is much easier, if it wasn’t already

[hazy sluice]

If I let my lariat recraft their stats, can it brick down to lower ILVL ? Wanna switch vom haste Vers to haste crit

[strong forum]

yes

[hazy sluice]

Shit

[potent harbor]

and i thought this week is free but 3,1K evoker cant heal 22 hov hyrja boss not tyranical week

mindblowing like u rly dont know who to inv in the end

one aoe, since u can go yellow blue yelow yellow

[vapid yacht]

when u are tanking m+ dung are u every time in defensive stance or battle stance ? are u switching ?

[potent harbor]

depends on affixes, week, pack

but with big cds and def u can go battle

non fortified u almsot perma go battle

[strong forum]

ive never tanked in d-stance so far

but i also dont push

ideally you stance swap frequently based on what youre fighting

[vapid yacht]

i mean in "higher" keys like 20+ im now 404 ilvl

[strong forum]

nah

dont need d-stance at all

if you really want to, you can swap to d-stance for tank busters

its 3sec CD off-gcd

then swap back after

[potent harbor]

@vapid yacht depends on dungeon and pack, u cant say it simple way

[vapid yacht]

okay i played all time d-stance because my ilvl was rly low before

[potent harbor]

some mobs do really high burst dmg and u cant be jsut battle

just play and u will start feel when u can go and when not tbh

[vapid yacht]

y ofc @potent harbor ty i just asked in general if u are swapping because im not sure and new on tanking + warri

[potent harbor]

ye im swapping lot

but when i progress high key i rly play safe and sound msotly

[vapid yacht]

thats a nice info ... ty ! is the dmg increase that good that we play b-stance and not taking 15 % less dmg

[potent harbor]

like if i do 55k overall or 60K overall will not save key(99 percent of time) ur main job is survive

[vapid yacht]

ye right but 60k is better than 55k if i can also survive the same way with b-stance 😄

[potent harbor]

but ofc like with blood lust when u pop last stand go battle stance use ur big shiet and swap back on mob tbs for example

or i use shield wall go battle, shield wall is out i go back, but i dont paly premades jsut wiht pug healer it rly hurst in 22/23 keys not being def stance

[vapid yacht]

ill try it this week 😄 but that sound good

[potent harbor]

but rly depends pack, for example nokhud arc mobs will one shot you in 22/23 if u battle

[strong forum]

thats a take

[vapid yacht]

y ofc it depends but when u tanked some keys u recognize which packs are hard and which not so u can swap it

[potent harbor]

or tjs if u dont have reflect and u eat dark claw, and u battle? one shot

[strong forum]

you cant survive dark claw even in d-stance

so that doesnt change anything

[potent harbor]

so u have to know all packs, with higher knodledge more battle stance basically

well it can be difference

def stance is huge boost

[vapid yacht]

thanks for the infos ❤️

[potent harbor]

but rly play play play play when u will play each dungeon 20 times u will see pdmg patterns

but ye encourage urself go battle , it will make u beter but still number one prio, survive

i beated my head into wall so many times i went greedy battle jsut cause of some minor dps increase and we wiped on it boomp 2 mins fucked or key depleted

but on bosses this week u can be almost perma battle and swap to def stance jsut for tbs

i talked generally about packs

i dont know maybe bird in aa u kinda want be def stance so ur pug healer is not stressing shit out

but ye also depends on ur healer, test waters, u will see in 2 mins, if your healer holds you topped like his life depends on it or not. (mostly not)
well hope i didnt say any bullshiet im also not any godtier prot warr just tried help

[brittle owl]

but rly

[sharp steppe]

NO 415 ring with socket or Melandrus ring 415 without socket?

[strong forum]

socket

[hard vector]

hey 🙂 wanted help with picking an item from my vault, looks like I have 2 solid options:
armory: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/shattered-hand/jsonx

which one should I take?

[vivid sonnet]

worth opening vault with arms or fury spec?

[sharp steppe]

thanks nome

[strong forum]

id pick the shoulders as theyre rarer than getting a shield from m+ vault

[strong forum]

only if you want to avoid tank trinkets and dont need a shield

[hard vector]

isnt block master?

I would 100% go for shoulders, was just wondering

also has leech, but stats are meh

[strong forum]

oh it has leech

[hard vector]

I like having the option to parse higher, my avg HC (I know its nothing) is 96% and mythic is 80% atm would be higher tho

so having more dps to go with would be great as well

[strong forum]

well thats not down to gear at that level

but id pick shield

given that it has leech

max ilvl shield with leech is irreplacable

[hard vector]

leech is that good?

[hardy snow]

unless you get shield with haste and leech

[strong forum]

well, yeah leech is good

and so is a max ilvl shield

[hard vector]

btw its not the highest level

as there's the 424 shield with haste

[strong forum]

yeah but youre not killing broodkeeper mythic are you

[hard vector]

well tbf, I was offered to join a mythic broodkeeper kill

just wanna down it with my guild

bottom line, I will kill it, and we're currently blood dk + prot war (me)

so I would probably have the highest prio for the shield

[hard vector]

gonna go with your advice 🙂 thanks so much!

[uneven mason]

You think that until the loot master turns out to be banging the holy paladin

[hard vector]

personally I dont know why, but I dont like the paladin gameplay, even more so compared to prot war gameplay

[potent harbor]

guys advice about RLP, have 22 one, making route, thinking about first packs before first boss, how u actually make third pack with those chillweavers middle? do u taunt them and move back to corner or u aggro them leap to miniboss and go boss room?

i have problem when it ake them back then u wait eternity for second jugger move out

thats like only uncomfy spot i have but still dont know some neat effective solution

and well mostly u use inv pot for first jugger

[hard vector]

I'm always pulling those packs back cause of different affixes and I want my pug party to have some room to do their mechanics

• you dont want to butt pull w/e cause you have to focus on stuns for the insane aoe dmg some of the adds do

[solar shadow]

timed it on 23 earlier today and our tank pulled,
1st rock + next 2 packs with lust
everything before 2nd rock except x3 chillweaver + tectonic slam guy

then those 3 and the slam guys before skipping rock

[potent harbor]

well i want skip both juggers i find it better but im rly not sure

[solar shadow]

personally hate skipping first rock as people ALWAYS die in that room

[hard vector]

did you try to go over Quazii's guides to see maybe he's talking about those pulls?

[hard vector]

100% true

[potent harbor]

im on his stream he kinda told me to pull only that one chillweaver next to eggs and move boos room

[solar shadow]

skipping 1st rock turns a simple death with a fast runback into a battle res or a bricked key

its very high risk for low reward imo

[warm plinth]

agreed

[hard vector]

++

[solar shadow]

RLP in particular is a dungeon where if clean you are not starved for time

there are other weeks however where maybe skipping that rock is beneficial, I'd say it has the most value on bolstering week

[potent harbor]

so something like this? pack 4 to boss room

[solar shadow]

one sec ill show you

[potent harbor]

im thinking pack 1 is kidna fine like this ill start in big aoe room for space for sanguine

cant imagine moving in next room around eggs

and not pulling rest

[solar shadow]

we did this iirc

i think he also pulld the chillweaver with whelps

[potent harbor]

so its kinda same he jsut puleld chillweaver to pack 3

[solar shadow]

yea i think either is fine

[potent harbor]

oke oke sounds good

[solar shadow]

make sure that chillweaver gets kicked tho on pull3

regardless if u decide to go int oboss room or not

[dry spear]

would you rather take 378 haste and 203 mastery boots or 378 crit and 203 versa?

[hardy snow]

haste

[strong forum]

Haste

[mortal brook]

Haste

[sick sentinel]

not haste = more poopy side

not total poop, just, well, if you had the option of any stat you wanted, most of us would take primarily haste 90% of scenarios

[dry spear]

so, no matter what, if i get a haste + X piece it is better then any other piece? and optimal would be haste/versa?

[sick sentinel]

yes because haste reduces the cooldown of your shield block ability making it recharge faster, also this buff grants 30% shield slam damage, which is one of our top damage dealing, rage generating, and other effect activating other talents

so, if you can keep up SB 90% + combat time, your main damage button single target, does 30% more

[round pendant]

Yogi you done a +16 yet?

[wooden widget]

Ilvl > haste > crit >= verse > mast

[sick sentinel]

i tried to run a 16 hov, but something catasrophe failure happened on the stairs pack

[round pendant]

did the dps prejac and ruin your pull?

[sick sentinel]

i went to do 2 + 2 + 1, took dmg, went to hit rally and or IV, neither went off, i died, and instant wipe, and i knew it was GG so i logged.

[round pendant]

toxic

[sick sentinel]

i srewed it up is why i did it

[round pendant]

Yeah it's a learning experience tho

no need to leave

[sick sentinel]

im not sure whats going on there but 2 out of 3 or 4 keys in HOV i tried this week, first boss dead by 4 minute 30

and then, hyrja, dead around 20 minutes, some how

and then wolf is fine, shield dude is fine, odyn is fine, kings is fine

[round pendant]

You go fenryr first?

oh wait

I always forget about hymdall

he's so forgettable

[sick sentinel]

its between first and hyrja path

and something gets totally fucked there

[round pendant]

hyrja takes a while to get to and kill

it's not that surprising

20 minutes is pretty bad tho

sounds like a dps issue

[sick sentinel]

like, thats the time displayed when she dies

like, if im running a 16 of this, and im just looking to 1-2 chest on time, whats the time i want to have her killed by then, i assum es its supposed to be around 15 minutes

i dunno, it just feels like people die like CRAZY in that section and itt takes forever to clear on fort, you asked if i tried a 16, so i figured i would answer truthfully even though it might not be what you wanted to hear.

[uncut thunder]

Hello. Looking for some advice if I should recraft any of my gear or change enchantments / Gems. Not sure if I’m too heavy in particular stats. https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/hyjal/Fedaaykin

[plush tendon]

I mean, it seems fine enough... though I dont understand the vers heavy/haste gems

then crit on rings

I personally would go Haste heavy crit gems

[uncut thunder]

For the neck it was what most people recommended as well as what I saw on players in Raiderio. As for the rest it’s what simed best

[round pendant]

vers sucks

[uncut thunder]

But I do appreciate the feedback

[uncut thunder]

Is this a widespread belief or more personal? I do agree it’s lackluster in n the DPS but does seems to be commonly selected even amongst top tier tanks

[plush tendon]

top tier tanks take it because they are doing content where they feel like they need the extra EHP to survive; vers is a really inefficient stat and for the non .01% of us, its just not great

[uncut thunder]

My goals are 2400 rating, AOTC and mid way through Mythic Vault.

[wispy canopy]

10% is more than enough

[round pendant]

ilvl > haste > crit = vers > mastery

crit is more fun

that's why I use it

[uncut thunder]

Ah got it. I may be using the wrong template when I look for advice

I also tend to think that my first responsibility is to survive

Then to DPs

[plush tendon]

yea, naw

surviving is easy

we all bout damage here

and crit gives parry

and parry is sick so theres that

[round pendant]

I feel like if you need vers to save you, you did something wrong

You can do all the content with haste and crit

[plush tendon]

tldr, vers will not save you

[round pendant]

and get more damage as a reward pog

especially in single target the crit helps a lot I think?

[uncut thunder]

Thanks. I appreciate the feedback

[plush tendon]

yea, more damage means mobs die faster means less damage taken

[sick sentinel]

is doing hyrja trash something like this somehow wrong order to pull in

[solemn torrent]

Hello all,

I'm quite new to prot warrior and I'm sure this has been asked before, but I'm super confused on how shield block works.

From my (and probably incorrect) understanding, you always shield slam when its up, and it either increases your shield block uptime by one second, or reduces the cooldown on shield block by one second, however neither of which I see happening with buff uptime or on the cooldown timer via t he weakaura I got from WoWhead guide.

I'm super used to maintaining 100% uptime on Bone Shield as I'm a DK main but Warrior kinda feels like a whole other struggle when it shouldn't be.

[signal agate]

how do we feel about horn of valor?

[plush tendon]

this looks weird AF

[sick sentinel]

i can 100% confirm the purifier pulls alone

[round pendant]

Yeah that's an odd route

[sick sentinel]

so, where is the pulling order wrong here

the big dude is, just , if hes there, he's first

[wispy canopy]

depend on build

[round pendant]

just press shield block as much as possible, but your talents affect uptime

[amber siren]

Not great

[solemn torrent]

what talent is it specifically? Because I don't see it happening on my Single Target raid build.

[wispy canopy]

Heavy Repercussion

[jagged pier]

it wont on that build becauseu dont run it in raid

[wispy canopy]

On raid you take "ITF"

so

[jagged pier]

because u dont tank 100% of the time

[solemn torrent]

Ahh

I see thank you so much haha I've been so confused.

[plush tendon]

I never pull the big guy

[signal agate]

a dude who tanks alot wants horn of valor i have whetstone and decoration

[amber siren]

Whetstone and decoration are better than horn assuming equal ilvl

[signal agate]

dedication and whetstone is 415 horn is 421 in vault

[sick sentinel]

MDT string here https://justpaste.it/9i8rw

[plush tendon]

This is how I like to pull the Halls in HoV

get more stuff in Fenryr area like bears, bulls and wolves

[round pendant]

The patroling sentinel is so annoying

I feel like pulling him isn't thaaat much of a time loss

[plush tendon]

it kind of is

[amber siren]

Just keep the trinkets you have

[plush tendon]

you cant double it up with anything

cause they become CC immune

[round pendant]

yeah I mean you have to kill him on his own

[plush tendon]

granted, depending on key level, you probably have time you can spare to get rid of him

[amber siren]

Let me re-phrase, you should sim - but I'm not expecting horn to be better

[plush tendon]

but for speed, I would avoid

[round pendant]

but some times depending on dps and etc his patrol is in such awful spots that you lose time anyway because you can't pull the next pack

unless he doesn't social aggro that easily?

not actually sure about that

[plush tendon]

if you are against the wall, he wont aggro

[potent harbor]

nah its cancer since he makes cast immune, and theres thundercaller in pack, u can pull out packs before then go around wall and pull out another pack with two maidens

and killing solo sentinel is so time loss dont need since u can do wolves/bears

and usually u have bl pack for bears

back

[plush tendon]

a lot of the pulls you do in the Halls can be tanked somewhere else as well

pull 1 is LoSed outside to group

[potent harbor]

and its super safe since u just kite them as tank

[plush tendon]

group two you can bring to the bottom of the Heryja stairs

and pull 4 you can actually skip if you have a Rogue with Shroud

[potent harbor]

invis pot, sh mind soothe

[plush tendon]

^ these also work

you can also LoS that pull to the green area before taking the port to Fenrir zone

[potent harbor]

all pulls inside u take outside and u pretty much ignore patrol sentinel by it ye

especially its even needed i believe since sanguine

[plush tendon]

early this season we experimented with a triple sentinal pull

its just not as time efficient as other stuff

especially the wolf area

bears, wolves, and bulls are just so god damn good

[potent harbor]

best is do wolves/bears stags with dragon u dont need do that last pack before two sentinels and no sentinels, like since u have mobility from fenryr u cant die on bears second wolves

[valid finch]

Should you use Shield Charge on cd or pick your spots?

[plush tendon]

on CD with Demo Shout

[potent harbor]

shield charge on cd always with demo shout

demo/sc basically on cd

[valid finch]

Should I macro them?

[plush tendon]

I mean, you could technically make them 1 button I think? Just need to press it twice XD

[potent harbor]

its whatever i think? u need press twice anyway

[valid finch]

Ok

[plush tendon]

I keep em separate in the offchance I ever use Thunderlords again

[reef holly]

You are taking a rogue for shroud? To go up the escalator?

[hidden ether]

What route do you guys do for TNO. I was thinking big pat before dragon with lust, Lust on waterfall pack, lust on CD, lust on last boss?

[plush tendon]

Rogue or invis pot works

hell, you could go to the side and have the tank do a death skip for the group

but invis pot is the easiest thing

and people should have them

[potent harbor]

this is what i do, pack 4 outside, pack 5 outside , pack 6 neer stairs, pack 10 outside

bl bears

[plush tendon]

^ mine is basically the same

[potent harbor]

mind soothe/invis pot sentinel, ignore patrol totally

[plush tendon]

though we pull bulls if we can and skip something else if we have range or long armed melee

[potent harbor]

pack 4 is risky litttle bit since u have 2 mystics and one thudnercaller ur group needs to know they dont need kick rune healing sicne u jsut mvoe from it and focus only on that big aoe heal

[plush tendon]

in my Halls pugs, people seem to be good about it

very common pull now

[potent harbor]

but its only kinda risky thing

but ye i love play triple melee because of it in hov , u make kick order and chill

or even one range is fine (like sh priest with dk combo)

[hidden ether]

Pull 4 is fine it’s pull 3 that gives me issues on that one

[potent harbor]

pull 3 is kinda same ye but u dmg one mystic little bit before u group it up soi he dies kinda fast

[plush tendon]

i like to get that first mystic kick as I walk my ass up the stairs

[potent harbor]

elemental pots are back there

ye ye same 🙂

and u have all cooldowns back there

[plush tendon]

not like you need em on Hymdall

[potent harbor]

since u save it on boss last percentage

and i always save mass kick on pack 6

cause ppl ignore purifier cast

so leap first kick then mass kick taunt

and gucci

and then kick back again avoid laser beam and then just kite around stairs with stacks up

ye hov is chill, i started found it very friendly with timer with this route

like usually i go up to last area with 13-14 mins up

[plush tendon]

thats plenty of time

[potent harbor]

ye ofc depends on key, but was 22 like that

[plush tendon]

my understanding is you need like 10-12 to comfortably time

[potent harbor]

and if ur group also know beers then its super gg

ye 10 mins is still fine little bit tight

[plush tendon]

its like 30 seconds on the elavator

the 4 mini boss are like 2 min

Skovlad like 2:30-3:00

and then Odin another 2:00-3:00

plus RP

though Odin can be super fast if you got some big pumpers for the damage amp phase

really the only thing thatll wipe that key is forgetting to pick up the Aegis before Ragnorok

[potent harbor]

i alwqys tell them stay with me outside of mid, then i see add in midle i charge taunt on it take from aoe kill outisde, u still have no spears middle, easy runes, then angels again outisde of middle and again add take out again no spears middle

[plush tendon]

[potent harbor]

well depends theres usually one zug zug braindead ranged stays middle with angel

but like this u make that rune phase non existent, since theres no spears inside circle so all dps can stay there after killing add and then jsut spread around runes not worrying being hit by balls

much safer, like we dont care we have heroic lepa right :))

but ye others, never trust, make it easiest possible

also u dont want sweat ur ass 35 mins and then died to runes and deplete, (same story as nokhud last boss)

i always make sure its totaly idiot proof

[sick sentinel]

well, thats not so bad at least i guess

[round pendant]

The downside of doing only one +20

Is this even good over 408 all-totem, 411 grieftorch, 415 whetstone?

or should I just go for a socket

I think toe is good for arms so I'll take it

According to sim it's better than a 408 all-totem?

[amber siren]

DPS wise, yeah probably

[plush tendon]

If you got Grief and Whetstone... I feel like thats a better combo

and all-totem is pogs for M+

[round pendant]

yeah grief whetstone is better single target

[plush tendon]

you at least getting 6 tokens though

cause a socket aint bad

103 extra stat

[round pendant]

naw I picked toe cause it's decent for arms

Might try it out in m+ since it seems to sim well for multi target

like 2% more than grief + whetstone

sadly no mythic grief :(

[plush tendon]

Im never gonna get grief on my war 😦

[wispy canopy]

i'm running it, currently because i have nothing better

[plush tendon]

RL asked me to play my BDK for Raz

[round pendant]

mythic raz?

[plush tendon]

yea

well more importantly Brood

[round pendant]

yeah warrior sucks on brood

[plush tendon]

I need to sneak my War to Mythic Brood... but I'm boss tank

and I see how my co-tank warrior struggles with it comparatively (needing CD management, help with soaks, etc)

and my DK is like 'kek, this boss is EZ' pops AMS and goes lol, get rekt stupid

[chilly pulsar]

Is there a place to check my secondary stats in order to plan my next item upgrade?

[crystal mauve]

Is all totem 408ilvl better than all other 415 M+ trinket? I have them all (Whetstone 415 already but I'm wondering about other options for M+)

I used Blazebinder Hoof last week as it felt better for Tyranical bosses tho

[hardy snow]

you can check them on character info (C shortcut if not changed)

[sick sentinel]

still working on my BDK

or well, hes just a dk right now, but, i mostly know blood, frost im mid with, unholy i have no clue

[chilly pulsar]

Will we be able to use the new 10.0.7 ring with Diurna's Seal?

Like stacking two absorb shield procs?

[plush tendon]

I dont see why not?

[crystal mauve]

You can already use the Cobalt ring and Diurna's absorb ring if you want to have a lot of absorb (it's not better than other rings due to ilvl but still works)

[chilly pulsar]

Cool

Yeah I'm checking my strat for future loots and the thing is I need more Haste. Lots of pieces are ilevel upgrades, so it's time now to properly change secondaries.

[crystal mauve]

Tbh, as long as you have around 30% haste and not purposefully stacking mastery, you are fine 👍 Better play is what's the real problem in most cases

[zinc shale]

looks like raidbots isnt simming this right

its 5430 ingame

[crystal mauve]

418ilvl is 5429??

[crystal mauve]

My 421 ilvl Strike twice show 5429...

[amber siren]

Judging by the upgrade 14/13 I’d say it’s just the tooltip that’s incorrect

Oh wait no the rest is correct

No idea then

[zinc shale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ofCbGDXBzUsJXCWaPxgzXh

im not sure what do

gift of radiance 421 monkaW

double use :monkaGIGA:

[crystal mauve]

You have Icon and Whetstone, don't bother with anything else

[zinc shale]

How much dps is a gemslot worth?

[crystal mauve]

Less than ilvl upgrade on any main stat item

[amber siren]

You can add a socket to your gear if you wanted to check

In top gear

[zinc shale]

yeah found that, simming now

[toxic pewter]

M+ SEASON 2 dungeons

Halls of Infusion
Brackenhide Hollow
Uldaman: Legacy of Tyr
Neltharus
Neltharion's Lair
Freehold
Underrot
Vortex Pinnacle

O_O

[zinc shale]

are you

fucking

kidding

underrot and freehold again

[toxic pewter]

Honestly I’m down for all of it. I’m tired of season 1

I’m excited

[frail bough]

Does that apply even if you're running Into The Fray? Seems like you'd cap at 30% if you're running that. I don't know for sure, I'm simply asking.

tl;dr is haste cap really 40%?

[serene robin]

Please correct me, but I think I read somewhere that as prot it gives just as much sense to open the vault as fure/arms lootspec - is that right?

[grim pilot]

Anyone knows whats the uptime on sophic and wafting devotion? Not sure which one to pick

[strong forum]

20-30%

[strong forum]

if you dont need shield or all-totem, go fury

if you dont need 1h and shield and all-totem, go arms

if you do need 1h and shield and all-totem, go prot

[serene robin]

Tyvm 🙂

[toxic pewter]

Called it. 10.0.7 comes out March 21st

[jagged pier]

yes its 40% with no buffs

[crystal mauve]

Is all totem 408ilvl better than any other 415 M+ trinket? (I already have Whetstone 415)

[strong forum]

its better than EVERY trinket in the game

for m+

[crystal mauve]

Oh wow ok, it's THAT good, is it purely due to the damage (if I understood it's uncap) or it's the general value overall?

[strong forum]

both

it does solid dmg, and the procs that come with it are super nice

[crystal mauve]

Thanks a lot for the answer Nomeratur, you must be answering this question every day sorry! 🙂

[frail bough]

thanks

[strong forum]

i do but you cant fault anybody for asking it

[sick sentinel]

no idea what happened but my team blew up to hyrja and skovald just now

survived skovald didnt survive hyrja, didn't time

[tropic gorge]

Hov timer is kinda tight

Not av tight, but tight

[modest grove]

Hey, for m+ is better to use leech enchantment or avoidance enchantment on cloak and wrists?

[strong forum]

leech

[modest grove]

Ty

[dusky canopy]

[sick sentinel]

GRAPE SHOT

will destroy your pugs

trust me

that shit is gross on tyranical

[stiff gate]

Oh god they’re bringing back the Pelters

[sick sentinel]

if you seee anybody who kicks painful motivation, put them on your block list imo, they self delete themselves after 2 casts of that + some dps on them

nononononono underrot

[round pendant]

I'm excited

I hate all the other df dungeons tho

Also, anyone else think all the DF dungeons are really.. bland?

[sick sentinel]

you don't want to run +24 underrot

[round pendant]

Vortex Pinnacle is pog, looks cool

Nostalgic

[thorny island]

Is Ruby Whelp Shell worth anything at 421?

[round pendant]

Meh

It's ok if you have nothing better, sim it

[sick sentinel]

"...but ultimately we've heard a lot of feedback around complexity, like how much stuff do I have to know, to do and what's going on and how many wrenches are you going to throw at me, not even just dodgeballs but wrenches we're throwing at you that you have to dodge."

[dusky canopy]

Grand Vizier Ertan

+24 Tyrannical

Grievous

[urban portal]

the wowhead tooltip is likely wrong

the sim itself is usually pretty good

[sick sentinel]

im a bit shocked that they are retiring the seasonal affix

[dusky canopy]

I like this decision

Improvements on base affixes

[sick sentinel]

dude, i just remembered, underrot, first boss with the reflect

thats gunna be fun

[dusky canopy]

That fist weapon though

[strong forum]

vers

the tooltips shown on sims are baseline version

[oblique quarry]

Underrot was such a pain in the ass during bfa

[strong forum]

only in uncoordinated groups

and cuz 2nd boss being a healer check

[dusky canopy]

I wonder how our power levels will feel in the bfa dungeons

[toxic pewter]

I liked all bfa dungeons tbh I’m excited for a couple to return

[uneven mason]

As long as they don't return the shield bypassing rocks

[atomic stirrup]

Did spiteful storm trinket just recieve a buff

[urban portal]

it got a buff a while back

[wild kayak]

Hello friends - anyone have a weakaura for diurna bleed stacks? My current weak aura doesnt seem to be counting the stacks since its 2 applications of the same debuff rather than a stacking bleed

want something setup to get my stoneform trigger finger ready

[distant crystal]

raidbots tooltips don't mean much

it can sim right but still show wrong tooltips

[lone eagle]

I hated Freehold

Glad to see Underrot back though

[toxic pewter]

Did they ever say what they’re doing for season 3? Will it be all 8 dungeons from previous expansions I guess?

[median tulip]

Fucking Freehold 🤮

[dusky canopy]

I’m actually not a fan of FH either if I really think about it

[median tulip]

The place was always link city

[dusky canopy]

They could have picked a worse one though

[uneven mason]

Gives the folks who love skips a dungeon

[toxic pewter]

Yah I won’t lie I enjoyed freehold but a lot of routing issues if I recall correctly

[uneven mason]

2nd boss on tyrannical could be a nightmare though depending on what one is available

[median tulip]

In Freehold you could be stood quietly at the entrance doing nothing and somehow pull half the dungeon; something about the pathing/sightlines/aggro-range is broken AF in there

[fresh igloo]

freehold gonna be the new CoS for oops pulls lol

[median tulip]

It's not even oops pulls; shit just aggros for no good reason

that place will be the number 1 bricked key, mark my words

[toxic pewter]

Pretty cool to see a cataclysm dungeon coming back though

[median tulip]

Vortex Pinnacle is (IMO) the best Cata Dungeon

[toxic pewter]

Yah I enjoy VP

[uneven mason]

What you mean you all didn't do the entrance to first boss around the watch hut with 6 dogs squealing like a little piggy while you spammed TC and played peekaboo with backhand

[cloud umbra]

I’ve never seen that once and ran that dungeon hundreds of times .. is that actually a thing?

[toxic pewter]

Dragon Warr inc

[prisma crane]

i hate the colors

feels like nathria again

or venthyr

[median tulip]

very much so

[prisma crane]

also looks like a dragon helmet from a cheap costume 😦

[cinder storm]

I'm sad we don't get KR again

[cloud umbra]

Lmao. The most hated BFA dungeon

Why would you want that back

[cinder storm]

Because it was challenging and fun, shrine was challenging and unfun

[sick sentinel]

High Critic Cloak
Low haste and avoidance
Or
High Haste Cloak
Low Mastery and leech ?
The critic/haste its simming higher, but more leech = better ? All same ilvl.

[cinder storm]

crit haste

[prisma crane]

bleeds everywhere =/= fun

and fuck that last trash mob before final boss

[lone karma]

Hey silly question for 3 tank heroic Diurna, which is the easiest tank role? Is it still a thing or is it outdated?

[cinder storm]

Hell yeah shadow of zuul fort, that was a nailbitter

[prisma crane]

having a mob that was so shit ppl would zone out to change specs for it is terrible

[cinder storm]

Or have a DH fly over to boss

those damn purple ninjas

[fresh igloo]

I'm assuming that would be one add tank, and two tanks to swap off on boss because they don't have enough mitigation cooldowns/healer externals to single tank it?

add tank is the easy role there, you just run around the room to where the pillars flare up to pick up threat when adds spawn in.

boss tanks need to pay attention to the tank buster and manage the egg route.

[lone karma]

Thank you Mac I have to start somewhere on that fight 😁

[fresh igloo]

bear in mind I'm not sure a 3 tank strat in heroic actually makes sense

but either way, yes, the add tank is likely to be the lower stress one.

[lone karma]

I know it exists but yeah I should be checking if it makes sense to try it this far in the season

[median tulip]

The real problem with the BfA dungeons is that I don't actually remember what the routes are without the pillars

[indigo forge]

Hi guys. Would you stick with [Whispering Incarnate Icon] ilvl 408 or change to [Horn of Valor] ilvl 421?

[sick sentinel]

whispering

[hollow patio]

I have a 421 Horn of Valor in my vault. I currently run a 402 rumbling ruby and a 415 whetstone. I thought horn of valor would be a decent trinket but according to my sims its a significant downgrade both in aoe and st. Is one of the trinkets a sim trap or is horn of valor just that bad?

[blazing condor]

Horn is pretty underwhelming

[hollow patio]

Thats unfortunate as my other options are a useless necklace and a different trinket (hunger of the pack) that's probably really bad aswell

[acoustic oasis]

Hunger isn't bad what's its Ilvl?

[hollow patio]

415

[naive panther]

curious how much damge you guys are doing in keys, 23 cos, and my buddy says big dam, and i'm thinking he's talking about himself so I give him the affirmation. But apparently wars up in those keys aren't pumping all that hard.

[acoustic oasis]

Honestly you are gonna replace it with a totem or better, I'd just do the sockets

[indigo forge]

Thanks for your thoughts

[tropic gorge]

I dislike removing seasonal affix

This one is actually fun imo

I wonder if m+ will get a tuning pass to account for the dmg boost going away now

[tiny stone]

Hey, can you recommend a vault choice here? The context is that I'm a prot warr, trying to push over the r1 m+ threshold, so I'm doing 24/25s atm. I can choose a socket or replace my 418 haste/vers cloak with 421 237crit/199mas/187leech. I already have 17% leech, specifically my overall stats in % are 16crit/27haste/28mas/18vers/17leech/7avoid. So I'd lose the haste/vers but gain the leech.. worth or nah?

[timber wasp]

Hey guys, how do shocking disclosure potiosn do?

[grim pilot]

all-totem vs rumbling ruby vs deco for raiding?

my 2nd is icon

oh

I also got hoof but kinda low, like 395 or something

[ebon talon]

I’d say socket imo, unless you want that cloak for some dps action

[timber wasp]

Ty

[urban portal]

its already built in

thundering gives mobs 5% more hp

[rough egret]

Uuu Freehold and Underrot

No seasonal affix 😮

[warm plinth]

3 out of 4 good dungeons isn't bad

[rough egret]

I like the pool

But i also liked seasonall affixes

Not all of them but those that gives power/utility were nice

[prisma crane]

removing seasonal is overall a good thing imo, even if removing row 1 or 2 would have been better

but removing the next thundering is always a good thing

ppl just upset because no more cryptic or w/e it was called

[warm plinth]

Yeah I honestly think they were running out of ideas on seasonal affixes anyway. That's why thundering started out as such a dumpster fire

[prisma crane]

layers and layers of conflicting mechanics =/= fun or difficult, its just annoying and frustrating

[warm plinth]

I'm cautiously optimistic about the "refresh" of the +7 affixes

[prisma crane]

idk though, i think the issue is thundering during like... BFA would have been great, the problem is that thundering with all the spreads and cleaves and ground effects and stuff just didnt mesh well

even something as simple as quaking immunity while under the effects of thundering would have been cool, or the reverse

[tropic gorge]

My petition for m+ og dead Mines continues

Bahahah

[prisma crane]

with something like VP

we may see OG DM

i didnt expect a cata dungeon

[tropic gorge]

Someone told me earlier blizz didn't plan on pre cata for dungeons updates. Makes me sad, I've always been under the impression their scaling system worked pretty good and it wouldn't be very difficult to update em.

[warm plinth]

The issue with going back too far is that the complexity of the game as a whole has drastically increased since back then

[timber wasp]

Is this gonna be OP?

[warm plinth]

No

[timber wasp]

No?

I guess the max isnt high thne?

[warm plinth]

I mean, it depends on how they scale it, but I can't foresee it being better than the brackenhide trinket if you really need a tank trinket.

[tropic gorge]

Now I'm curious what they mean by engaging

I think stormwind stocks would be pure chaos and potentially a ton of fun

[sick sentinel]

Somebody can link average m+ build for prot?

[fresh igloo]

in the pins

[rain light]

vortex for m+ though

[median tulip]

Vortex Pinnacle can be pretty engaging. The bosses are an interesting variety of mechanics, and there's a couple of places where there's route choices/forces count could be made up. Depends what the timer and count is like.

[misty charm]

is static jolt from the adds on broodkeeper spellreflectable?

[shut summit]

yes

[crystal mauve]

To give you an idea, if you scale that up to 419 ilvl (wow headtool) it will absorb about 100k damage (+versa), so at best today it would be 1.6k HPS total. As prot warrior I don't think it would be great cause you loose the main stat and it doesn't seems much better than IP

[timber wasp]

IP?

[crystal mauve]

Ignore Pain*

[timber wasp]

Ah right

[median tulip]

I assume that they will reassign the stats on these to a modern array when VP is in rotation

[rough egret]

Feed parrygodx

[round pendant]

parry stat would be pog

bring back more items having sockets too please thanks

[tropic gorge]

Yeah there is a shocking lack of sockets

[median tulip]

at least you can automatically get 3 on neck this expansion

Freehold is not only a shit dungeon, it also has shit loot

[tropic gorge]

Lol, I kinda liked it

I hope rp is sped up some. All old dungeons rp should be sped up by like 6 or 10 percent

[median tulip]

I can tell already that I'm going to do it exactly once for the rating, and then not touch it again

oh god catching that fucking greasy pig FML

[tropic gorge]

And because you said that, they are gonna ensure a bis item drops in there lol

[median tulip]

I don't remember either of the trinkets from Underrot being especially good, either

[round pendant]

There's something satisfying about most of your slots being filled with gems imo

[sand mason]

BFA s4 style lol

Good ol visions

[lusty tiger]

Druid Mage hunter and rogue can catch the pig pretty easily

Even a night elf with some patience can do it iirc

[deft echo]

Hi Guys hoping someone might be able to help, stuck between these vault options... I'd turn the legs into tier ofc however, my current in each slot is 424 tier shoulders (no tertiary) and 415 tier legs (leech) so stuck, or it's socket play? the vault option 421 shoulders have leech, 421 legs have no leech - any advice? 😄

[amber siren]

don't drop ilvl for leech

[median tulip]

I strongly suspect that the increased Strength and Secondaries from 6ilvls on the legs will result in more self-healing than the leech on the 415s would. Sim it tho.

[wispy canopy]

ilvl is king

[prisma crane]

legs, its w/o question

[deft echo]

awesome thanks guys ❤️

[gusty stone]

any way to sim using defensive stance instead of it autoing to battle stance?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vtDHkyZk3c8KoWvdzMz6QN

[prisma crane]

yea, just remove 10%

idk what the question is though

[lusty tiger]

Wb the crit?

[prisma crane]

an upgrade in battle stance is going to be the same relevant % increase as in d stance

ok sure, i guess

still

irrelevant imo

[lusty tiger]

If you’re simming though

It’s a little relevant

[prisma crane]

plus you're simming for dmg, not simming for tankiness

[lusty tiger]

Simming I’m d stance is irrelevant

[prisma crane]

why worry about how much dmg something gives if you're sitting in D stance

[lusty tiger]

But if you were going to, the -3% crit is relevant

[prisma crane]

yea, he asked about simming in d stance

[drifting socket]

how does all totem stack up against whetstone, manic and whispering

[crystal mauve]

As I was told by the chief today, all-totem > all trinkets

[amber siren]

In m+

[crystal mauve]

Yes, in M+ only!

[prisma crane]

apples to oranges really

[drifting socket]

M+ only okay

ta

[prisma crane]

also as above, the content matters

in raid its not great

M+ it's amazing, but probably not the top top sim

and icon is solid, but also better if everyone else has it too

since not only is yours better from them having theirs but you enable the vers proc on the rest

[crystal mauve]

Not top sim but best overall. icon is great if you have dps/healer too. Whetstone is broken either way

[prisma crane]

yea, i'm using whetstone always, and swap between icon and totem

if i had a 421 totem i'd probably never take it off unless everyone else i ran with also had icon

but i do have a 421 icon cuz weekly loot luck

[crystal mauve]

Icon for raid and totem for m+ I guess

[distant crystal]

reposting this banger that someone in here made

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1080248402945781991/Untitled_video_6.mov

[drifting socket]

thank that's what i was lookin for

[crystal mauve]

That’s some high quality shitposting 😂

[distant crystal]

the "hmm"

and then the perfectly cut "YAP"

[urban portal]

its just another ignore pain

and doesnt have main stat

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/reEj1zySQhge "guess what? a person thats lagging constantly and you can't talk to them, you're gunna get pissed off at them" - Could not have put this in better terms imo explained it well enough. I do have love for ragnaros hunters dks and dh's though

[modern brook]

Historically ip-esque trinkets stack very beneficially with ip itself

It being on use on a 1 min cd could have some very good applications if surv checks are high enough

Def not op

Likely unused for damage trinkets still

[urban portal]

doesnt give strength also

[modern brook]

Yeah you need to have a very specific use case for it to be relevant I think

[tropic gorge]

Man, rag players are a different breed

They are either subpar scub trash, or gods of gaming. There seems to be no in between lol

I also think it's kinda stupid that na can play with Ozzies and kiwis, but not euros

[sick sentinel]

oh god

vortex pinnacle

im going to learn to hate that dungeon arent i

[slim dove]

Probably.

Gonna be rough on bad pugs.

[sick sentinel]

one thing i can tell you for FACT since under rot is seemingly coming back, if you ever pull more than 1 worm at at time, and you cant long CC one of them, just wipe, instantly right away, you will never survive 2 free casting worms any key level

its simply not possible to survive that shit, also kick "raise dead" wihch creates some skelly men (people?) if you kick it, he cant cast it again for a pretty long time

[dapper harness]

yo does hekili work with warrior tanking?

[south zealot]

ive heard kazzak

[south zealot]

hekili doesnt really work with anything

just shield slam whenever its up

[vocal nimbus]

what are the dmg instances of all totem?

[chilly pulsar]

Struggling to reach 30% haste. Is it WITH or WITHOUT Info the Tray?

[dapper harness]

what is prot stat prio

[heady sapphire]

in m+, what is generally better? rumbling ruby, or icon? I have both HC. they sim very close so wondering if there are any considerations sim doesnt tell me

second slot is whetstone I'm upgrading with valour

[sick sentinel]

can i get a translator for "sometimes dislodge the ?battery? (huh what battery)

[heady sapphire]

"What this effect does is basically if your tinker malfunctions, it will instead spawn a battery nearby that you can collect to reset the tinker's cooldown and attempt it again."

https://www.wowhead.com/item=198621/spring-loaded-capacitor-casing#comments:id=5520892

[sick sentinel]

hrmm okay im just gunna use the 15% less chance to fail one then,
crafting stuff for dk

[fallow beacon]

For the homies who have killed mythic rasza, thoughts on trinket selection? I'm running Icon for the lads so my other slot is a toss up between 415 whetstone or 421 boon. Heard the add platforms are pretty demanding so leaning towards boon but wondering that is a bait?

[high basalt]

Hey guys anyone got a details breakdown of a dungeon they could post please as my thunder clap seems so low. Thanks

[fallow beacon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mWpa6z4JhfX9QkY8#fight=last&type=summary&source=1
thats a random 21 i logged ages ago by mistake if thats any use

21 smbg

[high basalt]

Ye thanks mate my thunder clap is a lot lower than sheild slam but I think I’m using in on cd along with ss? Any ideas mate?

[median tulip]

IDK, what's US Ragnaros' rep?

[cinder storm]

You gotta log, otherwise the simple response without logs is "press your buttons more"

[chilly brook]

Take their io and divide it by 2

[median tulip]

Oh right

EU-Kazzak then, 100%

I won't even invite people from Kazzak to PUGs

Also Russians tend to be shitty

[chilly brook]

Ragnaros is mostly Brazilians I think

[heady sapphire]

that, or absolute god gamers, had either

USA ragnaros

[chilly brook]

Yea they got some good players

[heady sapphire]

kazzak is full of Bulgarians, Persians, etc

[chilly brook]

But the overwhelming majority are….cooked

[median tulip]

It's like a dice roll. most of the time you get a shit Russian, sometimes you roll a 20 and get a god

[heady sapphire]

must not say anything else about them

[median tulip]

Also a lot of people won't invite Russians because of the Ukraine thing, but that's complicated by the fact that nobody else can tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian character names

[heady sapphire]

honestly some probably just play on english realms

[median tulip]

although a whole bunch of Ukrainian players character transferred off the Russian servers to get away from them... apparently the Russian servers can be toxic AF over it all

[heady sapphire]

on ravencrest there are still guilds from the times when russians didnt have their own realms too

one even in HoF

[median tulip]

I'm on Draenor; lots of Scandinavians, Dutch, Flemish... some Czechs and Poles too

[heady sapphire]

it's same on all the big servers

TM, ravencrest, silvermoon too

theoretically poles have burning legion

but ahem

[median tulip]

Thankfully the French have their own servers, so we never have to interact with them

[heady sapphire]

some avoid that place like hell

[wet fable]

Trinket: Horn of Valor or Whetstone? Same ilevel

[heady sapphire]

but very likekly whetstone

[prisma crane]

whetstone

for no other reason than i've never seen anyone in here hyped they got a horn

[wet fable]

haha

like that line of evidence

[prisma crane]

but i bet you anything whetstone sims higher too

[wet fable]

probably.. buy you look pretty cool with Horn of Valor!

but*

[prisma crane]

well

something to tip those scales

and important to note on that sim

do you know if the ppl you run with also have icon?

because sim for icon defaults to all buffs

which only happens if healer and at least one dps has it

and, if they do, not only are you buffed more, but you're buffing them by having it

so TLDR w/ Icon it's not a simple answer

[warm plinth]

Icon won't ever sim as amazing for you because it's not about being a great increase for you personally; it's about increasing your group's damage.

[quiet monolith]

I like whetstone for more AOE threat options

[sick sentinel]

would you guys be upset if i made my lariat haste versa

i have a 411 haste crit and haste mastery one in bags

lariat would be 402/405

[karmic plinth]

live your life how you want to yogster

[ember tangle]

we will get new necks in 2 weeks

with 10.0.7

[royal rune]

New necks in 10.0.7?

[warm plinth]

You have two lariats in your bags already?

[warm plinth]

The new item is a ring, not a necklace

[sick sentinel]

no valor ones

i valored the TJS crit haste one and the hasete mastery come fromt he vault at that ilvl, it was good choice at the time, ilvl at the time

[warm plinth]

why are you wanting to make lariat then if you already have a 411 neck? You're not doing high enough keys to make a 418 right?

[sick sentinel]

to have a fire ring set and not fire ring set that both have 2 embellisment options already got 2 FF and wrists

[warm plinth]

what's the point of that?

[sick sentinel]

so, my plan is to to do neck haste versa and shield with spikes whenever next spark come

[warm plinth]

a 411 neck is probably better than a 405 lariat

[sick sentinel]

well, for any set of gear im going to equip, i want to have 2 embellsihments i m guessing

[warm plinth]

sure but if the embellishment is a downgrade, why would you want to use it?

why can't you use the belt and bracers for every set?

[urban portal]

yogi is optimizing his 405 ilvl gear

[sick sentinel]

i want to get into 16's and i feel like lariat is option that can be long term upgraded over time

main plan iis once im actually running the greater infusion 16's first 4 of those go to embellishment slots (5 for food)

[round pendant]

Yogi please do 16s

I know you can do it

I believe in you

[dapper harness]

YO

if i am crafting a wep what kind do i want

sword, mace, axe etc

any1

[slow harbor]

doesnt matter, your call

[sick sentinel]

also, i want to track revenge proc, but i don't see it under weak aura premade ones

[fresh igloo]

I made a fist weapon for prot because why not

[chilly pulsar]

For 30% haste, does it consider the Into the Fray talent or not?

[karmic plinth]

without into the fray

[sick sentinel]

some dude, i think a rogue or warrior, maybe dk, i want to say dk, said he had farmed out 27k valor already, put me to shame, i only got 21 k valor farmed
the other thing im gunna have to ge a bit of info about tomorrow is how the add a socket and special gem sl;ot works for lariat, this part is uncleasr to me

[scenic mural]

You buy the slots from the ah its pretty simple

And you have the gem crafted like anything else

[sharp forge]

Rumbling ruby is better than decor yes? I feel like decoration is kinda over hyped for m+ content

[thick finch]

does details track your parries/dodges?

if so, where can i find it

[ember tangle]

lariat comes with a socket, the consumable "enchant" can add 1 socket at a time up to a max amount dictated by the rank of the enchant

so lariat + 1x rank 2 socket thingy + 1x rank 3 socket thingy

and just remember to use the rank 2 one before the rank 3 one

[dusk oriole]

if you want to be cool, use 2x rank 3

[frank saddle]

Hey guys, i looked at some older message in this channel and somebody said chilling tantrum on broodkeeper wasnt spell blockable. But on log it says I blocked them, is this true?

[scenic mural]

yes, deco is not good

[shut summit]

yes you can block it

[sharp forge]

what two trinkets are ur fav combo for keys? atm seeing many go all totem over rumbling with parry and all

[undone verge]

all totem and whetstone

[rotund zinc]

any insights on blazebinder's hoof?

[undone verge]

its fine, better trinkets tho

[scenic mural]

^^ what he said. whetstone plus totem cant go wrong

[hallow phoenix]

Can I post links in here? Like a wowarmory

[mortal brook]

sure. or logs even!

or nice memes. or a fuzzy vault pic with no context taken from your phone

all sorts of stuff

[amber siren]

[clever pewter]

do you guys think 405 shield or 405 sword is better (current sword 395, current shield 392)

[tame jasper]

Shield

[clever pewter]

do stats matter at all

i have crit mast sword

haste vers shield

[tame jasper]

Secondary stats? Only after ilvl

[clever pewter]

i didnt know whether to prioritize the ilvl or the stats

[tame jasper]

Its ilvl >>> haste > crit >= versa > mastery

Always ilvl, except rings where no prim stat is on

There are values (i think 3 or 6? Ilvl not sure) where you consider the values

Eg i took a 421 ilvl shield with worse stats over my 418 with nice ststs

[clever pewter]

so you think i should craft shield for ilvl instead of sword with better stats just for bigger ilvl number

word

[tame jasper]

Cause shield is primstst and armor blockvalue

[clever pewter]

yeah

i was using a 343 shield before i got this one

tanking my ilvl lol

couldnt get one to drop

[tame jasper]

Shield was the first item I crafted 😇

To instantly replace my 350 with 405 shield, which is huge

[violet flume]

yeah shield is VIP

[tame jasper]

Ut as noted before, even 3ilvl on shield brings good amount of value

[clever pewter]

anyone know where i decent helm drops

my shit is tanking my ilvl

359 and my ilvl is 389

[plush tendon]

Just run dungeons

One will drop

[hallow phoenix]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/malganis/Kommitklap

What's this guy's second embellishment? A few wars on the leaderboard don't seem to have a second one?

[warm plinth]

because he has food on one 418 and brez on the other 418 and the rest is 421 which you can't have as a crafted item

[hallow phoenix]

ahhhh

ty ty ty

so if youre mostly 421 like that its ok to drop an embellishment?

[warm plinth]

well, embellishments are generally somewhere between .5-1% so

It's possible some main stat and more secondaries could make up for that

[urban portal]

i think vers bracers would be worth

is that the bres bracers

[warm plinth]

the ones he has on are yeah

[urban portal]

yeah i dont particularly see anything he would want

except maybe the haste pants

those are pretty good for m+

[ebon wren]

pretty sure they broke teera and maruuk - ran it after hotfix teera died the other kept fighting. had to reset it

[warm plinth]

Like she just sat thre at 1 HP?

[shell mortar]

Ty for the info

[ebon wren]

we cleared it next try so not 100%. ya she just sat at 1 hp

[ionic fern]

They said it was fixed ..today.

Or yesterday

Can't remember.

It was a bug before.

Guess it's not fixed then.

[warm plinth]

I'd never even heard someone mention the bug before today in the hotfix

[ionic fern]

GHASH

IT'S LEVELING TIME.

I'm doing my Shaman..Druid..Rogue.

Though..Rogue is questionable cause queue times for TW are horrid for DPS'ers.

Maybe..Shaman..Druid..Priest.

👀

[warm plinth]

👀

big leveling

[tame jasper]

Watch MDI NO match of Thunderstruck vs Thundered and you know 🙂

In short: They had one of the bosses in Sanguine, and then it had about 30% more HP then the other

[balmy canyon]

Literally only could happen in the mdi, no live key group is pulling trash into a boss on sanguine week especially a jumpy boss like that

[tame jasper]

They still got same damage but when first was down rhey could fight the healed one for about 30sec, then the encouter reseted

[warm plinth]

lol that's pretty funny

[tame jasper]

Well. I was thinking about it yesterday to not single target on, but having the MDI watched I did not.

But aside from that, speaking as a software engineer myself: Technically it was a bug and those should be fixed

[tame jasper]

I think Thunderstruck wont agree as they lost the NO (in front up to this) and got kicked out of lower bracket 🤷‍♂️

But well, that‘s MDI somehow

Risky play with high reward or big loss

And you could still argue if it was their fault to drag the sanguine one onto the boss, but then they should have been able to kill it (so only time loss due extended single target). But with the bosses reset 🤷‍♂️

[solar blade]

tier 3 esports problems i guess

[tawdry dirge]

elo is the spiderboss or terros easier on mythic?

on my realm more guilds killed terros

[ionic fern]

Spiderboos is annoying.

Just go Terros.

[tawdry dirge]

fair play i thought so that it might be harder

thankies i try to talk with my RL

[potent gulch]

but you can't skip terros and go spiderboss? ;-o could you?

[ionic fern]

No idea.
I just press W and get hit.

I don't think.

[potent gulch]

there is litteraly a stone wall ;-D

[scenic mural]

twins in NO just bugged where the guy would not die

like how the fuck

[toxic dome]

Hey

[jagged pier]

hi

[toxic dome]

Is there a specific rotation for prot warriors when doing a big pull in m+

New to tanking and prot

[jagged pier]

nope we have a prio of spells depending on cds rage targets

etc etc

there is no set rotation

[toxic dome]

Ignore pain stacks?

[jagged pier]

just decisions to be made

yes

[toxic dome]

Nice, that's strong

Any WA that's a must have every prot use?

[jagged pier]

thats not our main mitigation its just somthing thats up

no must have WA

[toxic dome]

Thank you

[dusty estuary]

hello i have a question about secondary stats. if i have 30% haste is it better to start focusing on other stats or lets say i can get to 33% haste is that worth it or when do diminishing returns start to come into play?

[strong forum]

diminishing returns on haste start at 5000 haste

you can freely stack haste until 7000 haste

thats when you wanna stop

[dusty estuary]

and so should i prioritize only haste as much as i can such as socket gems and enchants etc till i hit 7000 haste?

[strong forum]

yes

[dusty estuary]

then after that is met move to versatility im assuming?

[strong forum]

crit or vers, whatever you prefer

[sick sentinel]

so you would go 88 haste gem over haste+ vers or haste/crit ?

[strong forum]

no

always double stat gems

more stats > "better" stats

[sick sentinel]

i've always had the dilemna of vers vs crit

since ages on protwar

[dusty estuary]

i like vers

[strong forum]

ive never had that dilemma

never stacked vers