protection

[pale rock]

Sadness people have no chill for novice tanks like me i was try Raid LFR i told at beginning im new then they are upset when i screw up i mean masters dont fall from the sky how im supposed to learn tanking when people dont let me?

[left beacon]

i mean its lfr

thats what it is there fore

for

[uneven mason]

So one of the biggest and simplest pieces of advice a prot warrior can take is - Play like you're a DPS, our defensive strength comes from proper offensive rotation execution

[viral arch]

So I heard you guys don't press buttons to survive

[solemn current]

Tell that to my warrior pugs

[uneven mason]

I mean you're not wrong, it's how we get dudes rolling in here timing +22s with 30% blocked hits and 20% wasted rage

[solemn current]

Then again every warrior I’ve grouped with struggles to hit shield block so maybe he’s on to something lol

[lime urchin]

The only way is to try and make some friend that you have a nice interaction with during your raids and m+, add them in bnet and play with them again. And slowly you will get more experienced

[lime urchin]

Wait what, really??

[viral arch]

don't forget to add people who feed you grieftorch resets

[uneven mason]

We're literally at the point where a good healer can carry us, we're the BRM of dragonflight

[viral arch]

largely so you know what you're getting into

[lime urchin]

I don’t raid so I have no idea what grieftorch is, expect that it looks cool.

[left beacon]

i mean a good healer can carry a lot of tanks

[pale rock]

I have no friends that play WoW not many period

[uneven mason]

It's a big pewpew trinket that gets cd resets from people standing in stupid

[solemn current]

Dawg Im the only warrior I’ve grouped with that’s actually maintained 100% shield block uptime it’s wild

[lime urchin]

Well, time to make them while playing Mortiferu

[solemn current]

And that’s considering 22ish keys

[split remnant]

Warrior discord seems much better then DKs. Just got kicked out of it 😄

[uneven mason]

My favorites are the ones that are like BUT I'M OUT HEALING WITH IP

[pale rock]

so far my highest ilevel chars are Warrior and Hunter it seems Rogue wont be my main in this expac

[uneven mason]

To be fair you're trolling in there pretty hard

[left beacon]

is there a way to macro 1 key to swap between battle stance/defensive stance?

[split remnant]

I am but not really tbh. I ask a questio nhere and there but I never read anything. I just play the game.

[uneven mason]

Can't go trolling the emos

They're sensitive

[high basalt]

Hey guys I’m aoe packs 5+ targets should we still sheild slam on cd or just thunder clap? Ty

[split remnant]

I ask "is this good" but they or even you guys here are always like "Just sim it". Aint nobody wants to do so much work..

[pale rock]

I rarely swap to defensiv stance maybe i should do that more anf for fuck sake i should disable my damn rotation helper

[uneven mason]

Work, literally copy a string into a browser

[uneven mason]

Always SS

Unless you have avatar up and outrage procsvat 6 targets

[solemn current]

I had one guy in NO a couple weeks ago. Double pulled a couple packs before twins. Refused to hit shield block most of the time the entire dungeon so I had to heal him quite a bit. Starts getting his ass beat and gets the healing debuff. Proceeded to spam IPs and press every. single. button. Saw them all getting pressed through OmniCD but never pressed the one button that would’ve saved him there which was the easiest to press. Shield Block.

[broken crater]

yea i mean you had a really really bad take

[tropic gorge]

How do guys not press block

[split remnant]

What was my take? Based on my quick observation dks do stack Versa 😄

[tropic gorge]

I have the opposite problem. I spam my block button

[broken crater]

yea not going there with this nonsense

[split remnant]

And yes I am tired of jumping between 100% and 5% hp all dungeon long. It wasnt like that in Legion

[uneven mason]

K

[broken crater]

relevance? even if that was true

[split remnant]

But again. YOu guys do sim, you guys know stuff

I am just playing the game

and am dumb

[viral arch]

You still have legion logs, right?

[tropic gorge]

I need to upload my logs from the week. My current max block uptime is like 84 or so in keys

[viral arch]

if so, can you take first pull maw

[broken crater]

28 black rook hold fort

definitely not bouncing 24/7

[viral arch]

blackrook wasn't even a spiky key

first pull maw was the bounce of hell

also, remember

your graph clusters by 30s maximum on fully zoomed out view

[hardy snow]

there is one in the pins

[viral arch]

the spikes are not visible unless you actually zoom in

[broken crater]

doesnt look like it tbh

[broken crater]

entire key

dw, wasnt like that in legion

[viral arch]

nokhud 25

[broken crater]

first pull

[solemn current]

Most FOTM rollers don’t realize it stacks for one so they spend a lot of time trying to manage the 8 second buff and do that terribly. Others didn’t bother to read up on its value and were told warriors can survive with zero skill and effort. Nothing really wrong with pressing it virtually on CD with Heavy Rep though if it means you aren’t going to let it drop lol.

[tropic gorge]

I run heavy rep!

I mostly just m+, tonight is gonna be my first real raid tank experience. Did a pug a few weeks ago, but I don't really count it.
What blows my mind, is block has always been what sets prot war apart. Semi spammable block.

Oh well, sucks to suck

[viral arch]

doesn't show on details

and the sad part is, that's actually most of the story

[echo egret]

Last pack of TJS, I read I should pull with Ravager to sync all 3 Dark Claws and reflect them. It just doesn't seem to work, where do I have to aim the reticle ?

[solemn current]

Enduring defenses and always prio SS when it’s up for uptime. Make sure to shield charge whenever it’s up. Easily get 99+% if you aren’t dead.

[viral arch]

parry gets the same shit rep, and until details started tracking spell reflect that got the shit rep too

[uneven mason]

Shockwave

[tropic gorge]

I run the block tracker wa, to see my timer left on block. I really like getting it up over 45 seconds during long fights. "ah, I can relax a moment and just dps"

[viral arch]

they need to all start casting simultaneously; you pull from range, when they get to you you shockwave, when they all start casting you SR

they'll all be in the same server tick, and all get reflected off

[uneven mason]

Lol first time upper karazhan boss showed up

[left beacon]

bursting up to 110k single target, seems insane to me, w/o a pot, and just going at this target dummy i'm at like tops 60k bursting

[solemn current]

Caps at 24 with enduring

[tropic gorge]

Ah OK, I don't know why my wa shows over that

Yesterday in aa15 on the tree I had it showing 35 seconds

I didn't know or realize it was a 24 second cap

That's what I get for not paying attention to my ever moving buff icon row lol

[solemn current]

Don’t know might be tracking wrong and make be why it’s not 100% up if you’re completely relying on it. I often have it up above 20 seconds though.

[echo egret]

ok, I wantedd to save SW for later but I'll try that next time

[left beacon]

is crit a big time damage stat?

[tropic gorge]

Haste crit for live. I do love to parry

[viral arch]

40s CD before talents, yeah?

like

just by doing this you're guaranteeing yourself 15s of no dark claws

[left beacon]

i have barely any crit, im heavy haste with mix mastery/vers

[slim dove]

lust and raid buffs r big.

[viral arch]

(you're also guaranteeing they'll all be synced next time they recast so be careful)

[uneven mason]

Do you have bolster?

[slim dove]

gross

[tropic gorge]

Yes

[slim dove]

haste/crit 4 lyfe.

[left beacon]

I mean this is my alt, so i'm rocking whatever i can get

[uneven mason]

That increase cap by 15s iirc

[solemn current]

Even with that it might be a rotational issue or talent issue.

[tropic gorge]

For m+ I'm running the wow head m+ build

My plan atm is to run the st raid build for st raid fights, since I don't need Shockwave for raid bosses (some)

[solemn current]

I wouldn’t. Run Noms build in the pins here.

[echo egret]

my mistacke, I meant I wanted to 'save shockwave' for later

[left beacon]

I mean I guess it could be rotational issue, i mean what is the rotation, outside of just avatar demoshout and going ham

[uneven mason]

The only stat that matters is ilvl until you're full 418ish then you can do apples to apples

[tropic gorge]

I'll check it out tonight when I get home

Ty

[uneven mason]

Ss - tc - revenge, hits CD on cd, bleed rage over 75 into IP, keep sb up

[left beacon]

Yea i don't think its a rotational thing

from what i can tell atleast

[solemn current]

Ravager > Charge/Avatar > Shield Block/Shield Slam > demo shout > roar > Shield Charge > Shield Slam. Weave in shield blocks and ignore pains since you have a lot of rage coming in. Make sure every outburst you get is into SS there because you’ll probably have 2 pretty quickly in the opener.

[broken crater]

@split remnant deadge?

[slim dove]

also its fine to "waste" rage on IP to not overcap.

if youve got more rage then you can spend coming in, dump it into IP to feed AM.

even if ip shield is capped.

[solemn current]

You’ll like it once you get used to it. It removes TL though so make sure you start lining up demo shouts with shield charge ravager and roar. Think last I checked he had a flex point shown in titanic throw or whatever. You can put that anywhere. I’ve got mine in the leap talent.

[uneven mason]

IP is an offensive spend aslong as you're not missing revenges from it

[tropic gorge]

I kinda like thunder lord

[slim dove]

stop liking it.

[uneven mason]

It's kinda useless

[tropic gorge]

*amon amarth plays in the background *

[uneven mason]

It doesn't have a strong use case is what I should say

[solemn current]

I promise you’ll like battering Ram more. Big shield charge damage and fasters auto attacks equals more shield block procs which equals more rage and easier shield block uptime which both equals more avatar uptime which equals more damage and rage

ST is especially better feeling as well. Even more so on tyran weeks like this and a huge damage gain to bosses without losing really anything on AoE.

[left beacon]

we use howling rune right?

[slim dove]

whatever the haste rune is

[vagrant oracle]

Yep

Howling = Haste
Buzzing = Crit

[tropic gorge]

Ty for the info. I'll look at pins tonight and update my loadouts

[split remnant]

What? I was in dungeon. Didnt read it.

[cobalt seal]

prob forgot to press DS

[uneven mason]

What I find funny is that this is the least "spikey* feeling I've seen bdk in an opening patch

[broken crater]

it was like that in legion

[uneven mason]

Guessing the only time they play bdk is final patch vers stack meme wherevtheybtook zero damage

[broken crater]

the screenshots i took from above are top keys from the last season 😅

[uneven mason]

That was Legion tho, bfa is when the vers stacking became a true meme

[high basalt]

@uneven mason hi mate sorry mate I didn’t quite understand about the 6 targets sheild slam mate?

[fresh igloo]

that's a lot of mate.

shield slam is very high priority in our rotation

[uneven mason]

SS is priority, TC only supercedes it with Avatar up at 6 targets for outrage

Because everything else can reset ss, and it hits like a truck

[high basalt]

I see thanks mate appreciate it. So after 6 targets?

[uneven mason]

For outburst idk why my phone keeps auto correcting that word

[chilly brook]

That was definitely how it was in Legion

I played blood for keys back then

[craggy pilot]

with the way BDKs work, is there currently any content they cannot do because they simply get 1shot? 🤔

[urban portal]

its possible

[uneven mason]

God no

[craggy pilot]

thinking content that fx Warrior can do because we mitigate

[urban portal]

theres an arbitrarily high level of keys where only prot warrior and monks can do

but that level is so stupidly high

[uneven mason]

They're probably the least likely tank to get 1 shot

[craggy pilot]

but isnt that how their HP bar works?

goes down to 10%, insta heals back up

so as long as they survive long enough do Death Strike

[urban portal]

it was close in shadowlands

it was very possible for bdk to get globalled

in +30 DOS or whatever

it only took like 2-3 more key levels

[craggy pilot]

yea, then you probably have to spam Vers to survive as BDK 😄

[urban portal]

i dont even think you need vers

[craggy pilot]

no i know

[urban portal]

you wouldve taken mastery

[craggy pilot]

but if you get 1shot, you should need mastery

[urban portal]

for a bigger blood shield

[craggy pilot]

but then you can just get 1shot by Casts 🤔

[urban portal]

casts arent an issue for them relatively speaking

and thats what blood shields are for

release jailer they were close to getting globalled

if they dont double parry

[chilly brook]

Isn’t blood shield just physical absorb?

[urban portal]

they were fked

blood shield is just another shield im failry sure

yeah it is

sorry

i always thoguht it was a real shield

it makes sense now that i think about it

so yeah would just be vers

but they struggle much more with physical damage comparatively

i think BDK with bones up has the same armor as base prot

[urban portal]

wtf wowhead light mode?

[chilly brook]

I just clicked a wowdb link on icyveins

On mobile

[urban portal]

i love how irrelevant wowdb is

since wowhead exists

im surprised that icy is still in business

[chilly brook]

I’m not

Imo their guides are formatted a little bit better

But that’s a personal preference thing

The content is usually the same between the two since same authors usually

[urban portal]

yeah

but ppl click on wowhead more

and its not like you are reading both

[chilly brook]

Also for a period of time I do think Wowhead had considerably worse guides

Like back in legion

[median tulip]

wowdb is better if you need to find an exact spell ID, usually. Icy Veins guides are usually better. Wowhead is for finding tomtom coords for whether shit actually is

[chilly brook]

Wasn’t until sometime in bfa where Wowhead really picked up their game

[uneven mason]

It depends, I mean our current guide for prot isn't written by a prot war..

[chilly brook]

Really? I thought everyone was a prot warrior now with DF?

[uneven mason]

And the builds are pretty cringe

[uneven mason]

You're not kidding

[chilly brook]

Meanwhile I’m leveling my DK

[uneven mason]

Monk here

[chilly brook]

Monk is dope

Just a little too many spinning plates for me so to speak

[uneven mason]

Bdk was second tank leveled because bur made me wanna vomit everytime I opened the class tree

[chilly brook]

Monk is in a great spot, just wish it had a button or two less

Also the offensive CDs are a bit clunky

[mighty valley]

there's a few monk spells that feel like they're just there because... they've always been there

and change is scary

[chilly brook]

RJW

[mighty valley]

like, the chi wave/burst choice feels so disconnected from everything every spec does

Expel Harm is the weirdest shit

[chilly brook]

Honestly RJW is the worst offender for me in that assessment

Expel is fine

[mighty valley]

yeah, rjw is the most dull uptime monitor

[chilly brook]

Just press it when you need healing

Which is almost always

Chi wave on brew has always felt weird ever since they removed chi

[plush tendon]

Brew could use a little mini rework

too many damn buttons

[chilly brook]

Honestly I still think they should bring back chi for brew

I’d also like to see some interesting interactions with stagger tbh

[mighty valley]

so long as a) it doesn't encourage "take unnecessary damage to do better" or b) become much much worse when you dip to lower keys

i'm in

[chilly brook]

Solving A is the hardest part of that equation

[sacred remnant]

is it worth spending rage on shield block vs IP on first boss RLP?

since she only casts spells?

[idle inlet]

Yes, its worth

[sacred remnant]

thank you!

what do you think would be prio in a low hp situation

[tropic gorge]

Prayer

[sacred remnant]

lol

[tropic gorge]

Hehe

[valid finch]

Good afternoon/morning whatever the case may be. But was wondering if the Titan ring is worth getting crafted?

[sacred remnant]

ive having trouble with tyranical bosses this week, crawth mostly

im trying battering ram thinking it coul dhelp

[idle inlet]

If you are low hp on the first boss of rlp, use spellreflect, if youre still low use IV, if youre still low then, pot, if youre even still low, you need a better healer

ofc last stand and spell block can also be added

[sacred remnant]

i use my SR for chillstorm, shard overlap

does spell block completely mitigate shard dmg or just lower it?

[idle inlet]

in the end, you can only do so much

lower it 20%

[sacred remnant]

ah so same as SR mitigation?

[idle inlet]

are you using defensive stance for big hits ?

[sacred remnant]

yes

im basically in Def stance entire boss

[chilly brook]

Blue block means spell block

Not regular shield block

[sacred remnant]

i see

[stuck basin]

with spellblock up you take almost no dmg on the fight

[sacred remnant]

its not 100% DR from spells tho right?

with SB

[chilly brook]

Green yes=blockable by shield block

[sacred remnant]

i see

so shard is blockable

[chilly brook]

Frigid shard?

Yes if you use Spell Block

[sacred remnant]

ah sorry misread

ty

Any suggestions for surviving crawth? like special talents i could take etc

[toxic gyro]

Rotate cds for bleed

Use spell reflect for screeches

Communicate with your healer

[sacred remnant]

I always thought screech was physical thats good to know

i feel like i run out of cds by the end and have not enuf rage to survive

[toxic gyro]

F I never checked

[sacred remnant]

its nature damage, is that considered magic?

[toxic gyro]

We’ll scratch that if it’s physical

Yes

[sacred remnant]

nice

i struggle with single target boss fight with getting enuf rage

[toxic gyro]

Is your rotation proper?

[sacred remnant]

id like to think so,

Should I be using, into the fray or heavy Rep

i feel like my haste sucks when i got heavy rep

[toxic gyro]

Also your offensives cds are good defense too, remember that. You generate a lot of rage that u can pump into ip during bleed

[sacred remnant]

Yea i use revenge\

and shield slam

into bleeds

[mighty valley]

i still use HR for keys and feel fine

[toxic gyro]

Itf only if Ure above 35% or so

Hr is generally the play for keys

[sacred remnant]

35% what?

[mighty valley]

haste

[toxic gyro]

^

[sacred remnant]

unbuffed im 26%

[tropic gorge]

I need ITF to hit that much

I have like 24 or 25 iirc

[sacred remnant]

5 stack ITF im 39%

[mighty valley]

the number 1 thing is just blocking every attack

[toxic gyro]

35% before itf if not mistaken

[mighty valley]

if you're feeling overflush on sb uptime, feel free to experiment with ITF

[tropic gorge]

Thankfully the #1 is the easiest to do

[prisma crane]

i could be wrong, but im going to say 35% haste w/o ITF is impossible atm

[sacred remnant]

does dragons roar help with rage?

[sacred remnant]

yea.. i have haste in every slot and im 26%

[prisma crane]

yea

[mighty valley]

some people have posted here with truly heinous haste numbers

not sure how they do it, maybe maxed out on sockets and all the high haste pieces

[prisma crane]

and standing in AA?

[mighty valley]

nah, verified unbuffed

[stuck basin]

i have 31% haste without itf and with the vers crit ring from first boss

[sand mason]

heavy rep for sure. Are you using barbaric training?

[toxic gyro]

Think I’m sitting at 31%

[mighty valley]

anyway your haste number is not why you're struggling on crawth

[toxic gyro]

I don’t have high haste rings either

[sand mason]

Thats huge. You're fine

[sacred remnant]

any suggestions?

[mighty valley]

bleed removals are big, any evoker on your team can do one per min

[prisma crane]

there's a pinned comment on this

[mighty valley]

coordinate with healer for externals on the one you don't have a CD up for

[prisma crane]

its the first pin

[mighty valley]

be a dwarf i guess

[tropic gorge]

That's what I like to see

laughs in beard

[prisma crane]

evoker heals really make it much easier though

they can get 2 back to back and another one a minute later

[mighty valley]

just you wait, next season there's gonna be a boss that really benefits from uh... summoning a personal mailbox and +5 to inscription

then nightborne warriors will rise up

[prisma crane]

lol

[fresh igloo]

tazavesh was not far off from this lol

[tropic gorge]

Looks like the new dungeon for next season

[prisma crane]

they really do make an effort to balance racials and then leave dwarf and NE and BE

no, that was a troll post

[tropic gorge]

Oh

Nuking

[prisma crane]

at least last i heard of it

[tropic gorge]

Whew.

[prisma crane]

the dude who posted it said it was a jebait

[tropic gorge]

I didn't like that at all lmwo

[prisma crane]

im not a fan of skyreach for one

[tropic gorge]

I'm the opposite, it was the only one I did like lol

[prisma crane]

though arcway could be cool

[tropic gorge]

But I liked skyreach

[prisma crane]

MSP would be awful if not tuned better

[mighty valley]

skyreach is short and linear, i enjoy howling CAST THEM DOWN in timewalking but i don't think it would work great

[prisma crane]

Maw would be nice because it's short, but idk how it'll feel

[mighty valley]

and the first boss would be the biggest pug nightmare when everything one-shots

[prisma crane]

those crows would have to be nerfed to hell as well lmao

[toxic gyro]

It’s not like high keys in arcway required belfs and multiple aoe stops

[mighty valley]

oh god

yeah just turn off the bird section

[tropic gorge]

If a dungeon is gonna have a pug crusher boss, at least put it at the start

I still want og deadmines. Damnit

[stuck basin]

arcway would rise warlocks again - 30% hastebuff controlled demon in there

[prisma crane]

yea i mean they'd need to update for sure

i just liked it as a dungeon

also had druid skips and yea, the rise of locks lol

[toxic gyro]

Yes skips and routing options in arcway were nice

I like dungeons like that

[sacred remnant]

Aryway will be dope

arc

[toxic gyro]

Partially why last season in bfa with obelisks/portals was one of my favorite

[prisma crane]

only possible issue with arcway now would be using S1 drops from Court to create set bonuses, which isnt ideal

[sacred remnant]

this is my tyr AA talent build any changes you guys suggest?

[prisma crane]

100%, anything that can mix up pathing is a win imo

linear can be nice, but all linear is boring

[toxic gyro]

Those sets were updated really, aren’t the values on them hella low?

[sick sentinel]

why spell block AA?

[prisma crane]

punish is borderline mandatory

[sick sentinel]

im curious to hear what you say but i think i know why

[prisma crane]

you're talking about issues with boss dmg and not taking a not insignificant DR

[toxic gyro]

You don’t need bolster with hr

[sacred remnant]

yea this coul dbe changed

[prisma crane]

spell block into spikes, get punish, drop bolster

[sacred remnant]

kk

bolster better for fort week ?

[toxic gyro]

Don’t need it at all

[prisma crane]

you dont need it if you have HR

[lofty widget]

you dont need 120 % block uptime

[toxic gyro]

If you play hr your sb should be 100% uptime without bolster

[sacred remnant]

makes sense

forgot about the DR on Punish, thats giga

when would Thunderlord be good to take?

[prisma crane]

yea, anywhere that bosses are painful it's super useful

arguably AA, but i just keep battering ram now

ST prio dmg is more important anyways

[sacred remnant]

i was thinking if crawth is my issue, the 1 sec reduction on cd wont really make a diff

so battering ram would be better value

[mighty valley]

most of us just keep battering ram perma at this point

[sacred remnant]

makes sense

champ bulwark as well?

maybe thunderlord might be better on fort?

[mighty valley]

demo shout cd is kinda fine as is, lines up with shield charge

[sacred remnant]

is ee

any significant changes from fort to tyr week that i should make?

[mighty valley]

i don't change anything besides picking spell block for dungeons that need it

[prisma crane]

pretty much that

and intervene for HoV or spiteful weeks

[strong forum]

punish is must have

its 9-12% damage reduction from bosses

perma

[tropic gorge]

It's easy to stack and keep it stacked

[fresh igloo]

intervene on hov is for cheesing the jumping around ability on fenrir, right?

[strong forum]

no

its the chase

[mighty valley]

for saving someone from the fixate

[fresh igloo]

ahhh

gotcha.

do you just not do the run away at all then

[strong forum]

yes

[mighty valley]

you could use it to troll someone for the bleed leap and kill them if you'd like i suppose

[fresh igloo]

lol

[strong forum]

it doesnt work on aoe stuff

[crystal mauve]

Harrow meant to bring the boss on them and kill them I think

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[fresh igloo]

i have a group I run with, we just normally jump over to another spot. I'll have to see if nullifying the chase makes sense for us. I'm not trying to troll 😛

[tropic gorge]

"here hold this"

"oh shit you died"

[mighty valley]

intervene lasts 6 seconds so you have to time it well

[crystal mauve]

Chase last 6 sec too I believe

[mighty valley]

yeah, just saying you can't throw it out the second the cast begins or anything

[cloud umbra]

I hate taking a talent just for one mechanic, just isn’t much other choices for that one floater point anyway I just go for it

[strong forum]

you dont lose anything to take it

and you can use it on odyn for movement for the circle/brands

[tropic gorge]

Part of me wishes or hopes that a build similar to the prepatch giga Shockwave build makes a return. If for no other reason than some lulz

That was a lot of good fun

[strong forum]

even in pre-patch it was whack

it was just as viable as it is now

[urban portal]

yeah it wasnt buffed nor nerfed

actually, half way through prepatch they buffed shockwaves damage for prot

[uneven mason]

It's a good build just not too damage

Top

[pale rock]

I probably should look for guild for my charas to stay M plus with randoms sounds sounds like poison for my nerves. If stress is poison for regular people for me its 5 to 10 times worse

[uneven mason]

Puglife is stressful

That being said, since my.main crew all drugged off

The 2 guilds I've tried to run with have been just as poison

I critiqued things we could improve on to speed up keys (legit 10-15 range players) and got told I was being elitist and toxic

Sorry I thought since they spent a point in rebuke they might want to press it more than once a Dungeon

[pale rock]

My UI probably also needs some work, i want it to be like pilots cockpit where theres only things i really need. Very crucial for a person with Hypersenstivity to much info on the screen is detrimental

[uneven mason]

Get a warrior wa

And turn off the other stuff

[pale rock]

But that means i have to play without addons like DBM and Bigwigs

[undone verge]

My UI is completely hideous, and I was gonna fix it last night, but I had raid which turned out I only had half of raid because Dathea bugged out and we lost half our raid night 😦

[uneven mason]

Important stuff is more or less broadcast

[heavy coral]

Best players are ones that kick 1-2 times per dungeon only pop offensives on boss..zero defensive or health potions perfect M+ run

[uneven mason]

But yeah you could keep bw or dBm but turn off unneeded timers

[uneven mason]

Sounds like them yea

[crystal mauve]

For M+ I don't look at bigwigs anymore, I've just remember the sequence of each boss and it's good enough tbh (22/23 key range atm)

[undone verge]

I don’t even look at timers anymore. I think what I’m gonna do is go through all the timers and only track stuff that I need to pay attention to, cause otherwise I tune all the mechanics out

[heavy coral]

I got by sounds for big inc dmg

[uneven mason]

You'll probably get killed watching for that fatass timer to pop up and miss the incredibly obvious giant swirling shit mark on the floor under your feet

[heavy coral]

Or when cc is needed aoe stops

[uneven mason]

Like timers are good for raids, and fat reminding tank swaps, but becoming reliant on them is a bad crutch

[sacred remnant]

i did a 23 AA with the taletns you guys just suggested and i was able to do crawth in full battle stance...

crazy

I think it was punish

that i was missing

[uneven mason]

12% dr makes that bleed considerably less chunky

[crystal mauve]

What was your healer? Most of this fight can be hard carry by a good healer

[sacred remnant]

3k io druid

but he died last 10% and i was able to solo

[pale rock]

Memorisation of stuff is where my brain has a inbuild cheat mode but excuting the stuff is where it usually gets hard

[uneven mason]

[sacred remnant]

which i never wudve been able b 4

i didnt even have to use big cds until then

[crystal mauve]

Here you go, good healer for that kind of fight

[uneven mason]

Tanking well is largely muscle memory and predicting spikes

[sick sentinel]

tanking is not getting thunder cleared

[pale rock]

Thats my UI the WA is usually hidden outside of combat

[sick sentinel]

what can a paladin, i think is the best example, do about, if you get thundered

[slim dove]

bubble, spellwarding

[sick sentinel]

cuz they have bop, mag-bop, and freedom

yes like external

[chilly brook]

Uhhh I thought tanks always cleared now?

[sick sentinel]

so if u get hit with it, like if u get freedom does that even remove the snare stun whatever and then i assume u still take mdg

[slim dove]

dont compare prot pal utility to ours

[chilly brook]

Didn’t they change that a long time ago?

[slim dove]

youll get upset.

[sick sentinel]

well, it could be ret/holy paly

[slim dove]

it should remove the effect entirely.

[sick sentinel]

they exist some times

[chilly brook]

Like I swear I saw a Wowhead post a month ago or more saying tanks wouldn’t get stunned anymore

[slim dove]

tanks always get red.

[sick sentinel]

i know spell ward would remove the whole thing

[slim dove]

thats it

[sick sentinel]

or im 99% sure of this, bop is same but ???? im not sure..... freedom i think just does the stun/snare

and even then im not sure about freedom if it works, i know it wont stop the dmg

cuz i know bop is really friggin handy when you need it

[chilly brook]

Huh I guess I misread or it was changed

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it's just been that tank is always red if the whole group's up, so if the DPS and Heals clear, you're good

thats if the dps and heals clear

[uneven mason]

So yeah basically tanks are always set up to get the buff, because something something cleave

[sick sentinel]

as guy who ran a thousand keys with paladin healer, paladin is amazing sometimes

[chilly brook]

Shaman healers>all

Don’t @ me

[uneven mason]

SLT

[sick sentinel]

no way man, paladins have bubble

nothin else compare

[uneven mason]

What's a tank gonna do with a bubble

[thick finch]

healing rain = mostly pee

[sick sentinel]

survive the 1 shot

[pallid quiver]

Sit in the bubble and watch the DPS die while you laugh

gottem

[uneven mason]

Don't need a bubble to kill DPS just don't kick spells

[pallid quiver]

nah, the dps i run with only kill spells aimed at them, so i have to die first

[uneven mason]

The only time a mechanic is "one shot" is if something went wrong

[pallid quiver]

That's why I've optimized the frontal aiming strat

"Oh, sorry, had to clear my thundering 🙂 "

[sick sentinel]

divine intervention when high item level as paladin to save on repair bill costs but not at lower ilvls and levels because all that spell took was 10s re-agent,and then u didnt get a repair since i was suicide so u would save repairs, also for healer u put it on it would save it(repair cost) if things (trash,boss,combat) would reset

am not fake 2004 player, old strategy i had

[tropic gorge]

Based

I chuckle when dps tries to clear on the tank, only for a cleave to go out

[full crane]

Hello guys, which item i choose from??

[tender quartz]

does anyone have the WA for hyrja swap ?

the timer thingie

[mighty valley]

i'd take cape

[uneven mason]

Str slot

Str slot > not str slot

Wait isn't it Monday

Cutting it close with that vault

[cinder storm]

https://wago.io/zRsmS1aTc

[tender quartz]

Thanks

[cinder storm]

the bar is shorter on non keys so you end up perfecting the timing on regular keys

[tender quartz]

I got it slightly down by counting myself, if I use the WA now, I just pull, let her stay, then jump over as soon as line hits?

[novel cloak]

hey guys, i read the pins, but can't see any info. im looking for which stats "waking stats" buffs as it just says "primary stats". Is waking stats now better than sustained strength as an enchant?

[tender quartz]

just wanted to turn off brain during the process

[amber siren]

105 str, always been the better enchant

[heavy coral]

May not be a thing. But proper set up on defensive rotation for 2nd to last boss of TJS or 2nd last boss of RLP..and so on. to get defensive timing down? I understand just playing and figuring it out just seeing if someone had a cheat sheet

[cinder storm]

You are supposed to see a full bar that turns to green at a point, but if you tank her in the regular spot and pre position yourself for the jump, you only need to leap once you see the green bar

It helps turning off your brainpower a lot, been having better swaps since I use it

[novel cloak]

Thanks, icy veins shows waking stats, wowhead shows sus str and ask mr robot shows waking stats, so i was confused.

[heavy coral]

Mrrobot still a thing

[prisma crane]

yea, fantastic fucking show

[novel cloak]

no idea, i just checked it to cross reference.

[amber siren]

Huh didn't think the wowhead guide had sustained strength there

But yeah, str is the important part, the stam is negligible

[novel cloak]

thanks rybie 👍

[solar shadow]

Prot paladin gonna b crazy 10.0.7

[solar shadow]

I did this on accident yesterday because I have no idea what im doing in HOV

once i realized what had happened (she casted sanctify with blue beam) i was like 😮 pog

[grim nymph]

How do I live +25 TJS 3rd boss?

[novel cloak]

read the pins

[grim nymph]

The problem is spell block alone isn't enough at that level, and you have to take at least 6

Wall+SR for first, spellblock+ls+demo for second, spellblock+SR+pot third, external+wall 4th

[cinder storm]

You have a few additional options, have a DH taunt meld, or taunt meta, soulstone one or two

[grim nymph]

And we have no offheals in our group to remove the shield, so the shield never gets removed before I die to the ~150k pre-mitigation DoT ticks

[slim dove]

at this point ur building a comp around living it

[cinder storm]

^

[grim nymph]

I literally died on the third spellblock+SR+pot

[slim dove]

vamp embrace is absurd value for it

NE war/dh taunt > meld

etc

like it sucks to say but without a dps external your kinda fucked

[cinder storm]

What healer you got?

[grim nymph]

druid

[sand mason]

Im in the same boat only in 23-24s.

Trying to figure out how to skip a few... Holy pal bubble taunt... DK taunt with IBF/AMS+death strike... lol

[sand mason]

Ive never lived one strike with a pug druid in a 22+

[cinder storm]

I assume your healer is taking the talent that empowers regrowth. But yeah, that fight at your level depends entirely on your dps

[sand mason]

I think DK might be a sleeper in the comp because AMZ can help mitigate the dot

[slim dove]

prevoker healer is big.

[cinder storm]

And soulstoning one or two strikes (assuming no one plans on dying after) its a strategy too

[slim dove]

time dilation is basically PI on 1 min cd.

[sand mason]

yah I only live with prevoker... been trying with an Hpal recently and lay, sac, and bubble taunt are kind of busted

but dont have the same throughput (or so it seems?) as evokers to just pump the sheild

[slim dove]

my hpal healer rerolled prevoker when we started doing 20s/21s

just doesn't have the output

[grim nymph]

The problem is the tankbuster doublestacks with key level....the DoT increases by 10%, but the absorb also increases by 10%.

[urban portal]

if its a 20 then its definitely not the class

my friend can heal through 20s with a rat in the party

cant see how its a problem when its 5 fully geared players

[cinder storm]

after buffs my disc friend has been doing well on 22, no issues whatsoever

[grim nymph]

But yeah, the problem isn't the initial hit...it's removing the shield before I take the 5th DoT tick which is a guaranteed kill.

And that's before we even get to the 5th and 6th shields where I run out of CDs

[cinder storm]

Ah, you didnt prayed to god

that's the issue

[slim dove]

def takes more effort as hpal then prevoker

[sand mason]

I lived 4 miraculously on a 24 TJS and the 5th one just dumpstered me 😦

We wasted a brez on trash too. Feels bad

How much can VE/AG help on that fight? I think AG is a little bait because its melee but could VE help push a cycle?

[slim dove]

ve is huge.

[grim nymph]

enhance just slams healing surge, taking 200-300k off the shield

Makes it way easier

My group is only pure DPS, so healer and I get no help

[plush tendon]

welp, time to get that credit card out and go NE

[cinder storm]

What dps classes you got?

[grim nymph]

rogue

hunter

DH

[plush tendon]

get rekt

DH taunt netherwalk?

that could work

[grim nymph]

not really

netherwalk doesn't prevent the debuff / heal absorb

[plush tendon]

ooof

but he doesnt take damage though righT?

in netherwalk

[sharp steppe]

Taunt shadowmeld if he’s Nelf and not Belf

[grim nymph]

Healer has to remove the debuff before netherwalk falls off or he'll die in 2 ticks

[plush tendon]

yea, but thats 6 seconds

[sand mason]

can we meld one?

[plush tendon]

you can meld it

[grim nymph]

Can also sac the healer on the last one

[plush tendon]

theres some ways to get around it

[sand mason]

damn I might just go NELF for this dungeon lol

[tropic gorge]

Damn

[plush tendon]

but also, you at that point with a 25 where ya gotta get any little advantage

[sand mason]

what is it 15$? for 10 io? lmao!

[grim nymph]

healer can bear taunt and die cause healers aren't needed in P3

[plush tendon]

thats a play

[sand mason]

Can earth elemental tank one?

[grim nymph]

no

[sick sentinel]

earth elemental used to be alot more beefy

[frank saddle]

cant pet taunt bosses anymore

[grim nymph]

Pets cannot taunt the boss or it would be free cause hunter

[sick sentinel]

5 hunter key

just keep sending in pets and rezzing them

[plush tendon]

can you run away from it/outrange the attack?

or is she too fast

[grim nymph]

Infinite range

[plush tendon]

damn

what a cuck

[grim nymph]

Sorry, "100 yards"

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=106841/jade-serpent-strike

That's M0 numbers (if TJS had M0)

[cinder storm]

I hope Kokia and Liu don't marry nor have kids ever, else we'll have a 1000 yds tank buster next xpac

[plush tendon]

its a big cuck

these bosses my warrior struggles on... my DK just eats for breakfast

I just need my Warrior and DK to have a baby

[modern brook]

War Knight

[plush tendon]

Replace Revenge with Death Strike

Spell Reflect and AMS merge together

[grim nymph]

On +25, that's 783,000 initial hit, followed by a 196,000 damage per second DoT, with a 805,000 absorb shield.

[plush tendon]

[cinder storm]

I'm surprised your healer is ok with running with a hunter at that level to be honest

[modern brook]

Shield strike and death slam

[slim dove]

prot pal

[grim nymph]

Ignore pain should help remove the shield 😠

[plush tendon]

if you think about Marrow Rend is already a War Knight ability

[modern brook]

Hire this man

Strike slam is such a goated ability

[slim dove]

prot pal

wog is death strike

bingo bango

[modern brook]

Thunder boil and blood clap

[sick sentinel]

my dk eatin good tonight

[tropic gorge]

A dude in my guild, playing evoker, put the flavor packet on his crafted chest item.

I wish I was joking.

[sick sentinel]

food goes in belly silly

you should follow this mans example anon

[cinder storm]

nice

[solar shadow]

whats wrong with that? chest is the worst tier piece for evk

[tropic gorge]

Seems to me a ring would be a better fit

[solar shadow]

i mean, he would have to get a 421 vault chest from m+ with BIS stats to replace it, seems fine to me

[safe moon]

does anyone know a good streamer that has good walkthroughs for the M+'s? Trying to improve but I dont know where to use certain abilities like Spell Block/Reflect and which mobs cleave etc

[strong forum]

i dont think anyone does that

anyone reputable

[sick sentinel]

my food buff is belt and boots

[strong forum]

maybe Darkmech has generic tank dungeon stuff uploaded

but not pwar specific

[sick sentinel]

trying to get fuck loads of valor for ring, gloves, trinket

[safe moon]

any good addons for spell block/reflect then?

i feel like i use them at the wrong time

[strong forum]

oh there are probably plenty of bad videos

[hollow hill]

Oh my god I had no idea how powerful Windscar Whetstone was. Got a 402 and it did 9% of my damage in a key O_O

[strong forum]

yes, it slaps

but you can reduce that overall by 3% because of the lack of mainstat

so it did "only" 6%

compared to a str trinket

[sick sentinel]

m+ 0 to 15 guide,
step 1: hold W
step 2: there is no step 2

[safe moon]

hahha

[strong forum]

but man

i healed 21nokhud today

fuck me, i suck giga hard on healer

prevoker

[uneven mason]

Prot paladin

[strong forum]

took me 6 tries to get past elemental

[sick sentinel]

i can do it, but its not my thing normally

[uneven mason]

That fight is cancer on tyrannical

[spring thunder]

Question: When tanking RLP 2nd boss and the add spawns, do I go immediately to the add so it doesn't hit anyone else? Isn't there a chance I could bait the ball over it if I do that?

[sick sentinel]

i did every spec of paladin, a bunch of healer in 2004 and 2005 for dungeons

[strong forum]

yes go insta

[uneven mason]

Gotta go into storm at 10 stackd

[hollow hill]

lol I've been trying to get it since launch but no such luck until today

[strong forum]

|| i got most trinkets first try ||

[uneven mason]

Oh oh oh it gets better

I got a +2 cos as my monks first key

And the rogue carrying us got the stone

[strong forum]

i got a leech whetstone traded on my healer that cant even drop it normally

🙂

leech can roll on any item

[solar shadow]

whetstone is bait on evk

ragefeather >>>

[strong forum]

sure

but ykno

need to get it

[naive panther]

@spring thunder I don't go to add, and I prefer no one does until after baiting.

[spring thunder]

ok ty.. I wasn't sure if I was immune to being targeted for bait as tank....but I think all 5 of us can get it.

[amber siren]

tanks don't get targeted by boulder

[naive panther]

But people like to follow tank

[amber siren]

if you're positioning the boss like you should, she'll be in front of the add and the baits will still happen as normal

[spring thunder]

Do I just drag her close right after add spawns? b/c swirly is dmg right where add spawns?

[amber siren]

Yeah you'll just drag her over, boulder will happen like 2-3 seconds after the add spawns

You don't want to delay killing the add, it's just making the fight harder

[crystal mauve]

Am I the only one with problem getting into keys recently? I can’t get into any 23 with 2975IO, I have basically everything in 22 if you average the 21 and 23 I have… Is the Dk/Pal meta slowly pushing us out or is it an IO problem?

[prisma crane]

this sounds dumb but

the likely reason is just more higher rated people signing up to the keys you're signing up for

it's not that you're not a good candidate, it's that there's likely better ones applying

[slim dove]

people also wait forever for a 3300 io tank to come hold their hand

[urban portal]

yeah you probably need to get those 21s fixed before applying to 23s

[prisma crane]

easy way to test this is to put up a fake key for yourself as a dps and see what level tanks sign up

[crystal mauve]

I do apply to 22 for those 21 I still have but I can’t get in anyway :/

[prisma crane]

i also just add everyone decent that i play with, makes filling and finding groups easier

[urban portal]

yeah add people

preferably the key holder

you add the key holder because you know hes psycho enough to pug >20 keys

[uneven mason]

Literally any cos key this is probably the case

[urban portal]

do people do already timed keys above a 20 though?

i dont see a reason to run a SMBG 22 again if i already have the score

unless its my own key and I'm trying to +2 it

[solar shadow]

I run SBG for rerolling my own key if its like, AV and I have score for it already

[sick sentinel]

can i stun the void slash guys

or fear i guess

[solar shadow]

ya

[sick sentinel]

those guys really hurt

[slim dove]

fear no, they undead

outrange/stun yes

[sick sentinel]

howmany yards is "outrange"

[slim dove]

eight yards iirc

[sick sentinel]

assuming if you can LOS it down stairs or around corner works too

is like like a half circle frontal everyon gets hit or how do i combat it if out ranging it is difficult

i don't exactly understand how that attack works

[slim dove]

its targetted at highest threat (you)

[distant crystal]

you can't outrange once they start casting iirc

[slim dove]

yes you can

[distant crystal]

maybe i was lied to

[sick sentinel]

i wonder how far that cast is then, and its shape

[distant crystal]

it's not a frontal

[sick sentinel]

can it hit my team

if i go back into the group and hes lined up with me in the group

[solar shadow]

queueing into 21NO on my 393 warrior just praygeing the 418 healer can heal the storm, sadge

all that gear but no brains

[tacit solstice]

It's pretty hard fight to heal with grevious. Gotta cut him some slack

Dps using walls is a big part of that

[solar shadow]

idk i heal 23 NO and i ask my DPS to wall lightning strikes if not topped

storm is easily healable with regular CD rotation + a party CD e.g. rally, VE, etc

[chilly brook]

bruh...

wasted 10 minutes of my time

some dumbass

[compact geyser]

Is there a general rule of thumb for which dungeons we run spell block or is it really just about the feels?

[sand mason]

TJS/AV/RLP/SMBG (some would say not SMBG)/NOK has some value if you pull alot of casters in Maruaki area

Dont have much value at all in CoS(If you're scared of the succubus slaps then i guess - butyou can just side step it)/AA/HOV

[compact geyser]

Much obliged

[tropic gorge]

anyone got a good resource guide with boss walk throughs?

my first night tanking this tier, missed all of normal so i'm a tid bit nervous

[drifting pecan]

i'm already at 80+ runs of cos for the dam wetstone

think im gonna give up on that trinket 😦

[toxic gyro]

Are you loot spec for dps?

[warm plinth]

Void slash is a targeted ability. It cannot hit anyone else as long as you have aggro. It can be outranged but it is virtually impossible to do without full-on kiting unless the mobs are slowed significantly (like more than thunder clap).

[toxic gyro]

That seems very unlucky

[tropic gorge]

man the new talent import is cool

when it works.

[reef holly]

Yea I basically have to side strafe as soon as the cast starts in order to outrange it

[sick sentinel]

mad dash of try to complete all the world quest /events i put off until now

[chrome kernel]

what phials you guys using for keys

[tropic gorge]

is frostfire belt a good option?

[fresh igloo]

it's fine.

[tropic gorge]

i run vers

[fresh igloo]

it's good if you have the fire procced rings

[tropic gorge]

i dont atm

[fresh igloo]

in isolation all the embellishments are fairly similar in impact.

[violet flume]

was also wondering about frostfire belt, im runnign lariat + vers shield, how much damage can i expect out of the frostfire belt in M+?

like 1% of my dps?

[lone eagle]

About generally

It favors single target but it'll still do like 1% or so in AoE

I've seen it do more like 1.4% single target

[violet flume]

hm doesnt seem worth crafting it then

i believe shield averages to 1% vers too

[lone eagle]

Its worth crafting if you're running the fire rings

Thats the primary reason people built it

its comparable to the others but also procs the raid fire rings

[violet flume]

yeah i wont see any raid gear ever so hah

That said, other question, if i only do M+ what are bis trinkets? I have the a 418 JC haste trinket and a 421 blazebinder's hoof

[nimble laurel]

what is the proper way to kite the bears in HOV? I try to slow kite them just under their minimum charge range, but I keep getting wrecked near the end.

[cinder storm]

There are no bis trinket per se, but whetstone and hoof/hungering

[cinder storm]

Stay in def stance and dance around then, you can use hamstring and stuns but your party should 100% help you

[flat jackal]

I kite in a literal circle. If I can get it just right, I get close to start their fervent strike and by the time it goes off I’m far enough that it cancels. I keep repeating it and by the time I get crazy dizzy, the pull is over LOL

[nimble laurel]

A circle definitely sounds like a good idea to help prevent the charge

[flat jackal]

But you have to dip in time to time otherwise your dps will get meleed

[thick finch]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-iv-dolph-lundgren-captain-ivan-drago-if-he-dies-he-dies-dies-gif-4956349

[flat jackal]

True

But also, the circle kiting is a good way to see if you’re at that age where you can say you’re old. If you’re a boomer like me and get dizzy after 2 circles… maybe start looking for retirement homes

[lone eagle]

If stacks get high, just heroic leap out and stand behind one of the trees by the bridge

Can always go back in after stacks drop for 4-5s; 4-5s of lost uptime as long as bleeds are out and you've blown your initial load is nothing in the grand scheme of things

[north dew]

what do you guys think about taking the 2x shieldwall Talent?

[warm plinth]

Unnecessary and results in less shield walls over time

[wind hare]

Isn’t it better for some dungeons like TJS?

[sick sentinel]

can be if you need the survivablity if you play badly or you are in a higher keystone

like, its for survivablity reasons only that you take it either way, and those are the 2 scenarios you are taking it for TJS

but you can do whatever you want, its up to iike 22 23 when you would put that into consideration what im understanding

[undone verge]

if you think you need two shield walls in quick succession then take it, if not dont because its worse than impenetrable wall

[north dew]

im wonedring, because all the mdi prot warriors use that talent. Maybe otherwise they bigpulls cannot survive?

im using that talent only in tjs 3rd boss, because it melting me on high tyra^^

[cloud umbra]

Because the way they are pulling probably required it

I can’t think of one dungeon on live keys where double wall is good.. including jade

[amber siren]

MDI isn't representative of live keys at all, they're using it in a speed run environment

[north dew]

that is true. im asking me if the talent has its use in live keys.

[cloud umbra]

I don’t think it does. You can reset the cd really fast

[frosty mango]

It does, depends on your comp and the key

[cloud umbra]

Maybe rlp 2nd boss if you aren’t a dwarf and don’t have evoker?

[north dew]

MM Hunter, rogue, resto dudu , enhancer shamy and me

[cloud umbra]

Still no

[amber siren]

TJS really is the best use case for it, Impen wall will always give you more SWs

[frosty mango]

Two places I take it are tojs fort over 20, and aa tyrannical over 19 if we have no poison dispel

[cloud umbra]

TJS you can get 2 walls on that boss with the non double wall talent still

[frosty mango]

That's really the only two I can think of

[frosty mango]

TJs I take it for the last trash pack on fort, I don't take it on tyran

[cloud umbra]

Just sync the dark claws

[sick sentinel]

some baby TJS 7 to 11 key i ran i had some priest who called me "the most anti healer tank ever"

[frosty mango]

Yes but did you top dps?

[north dew]

can the dark claws blocked by spellblock?

[sick sentinel]

i cant remembver id hasve to see lol

[cloud umbra]

Yes

[frosty mango]

Yes

[north dew]

and it required shieldblock to be up right?

[cloud umbra]

Throw in ravager.. leap in. Shockwave like 2-3 seconds in and they should be synched

Triple reflect

[frosty mango]

Tbf you could big brain and pop out after third boss to swap to that talent but I just run it the entire dungeon

[woven trellis]

did they fix the wolves glitch

my team jsut got leaped on

on the pillar

[north dew]

yesterday it worked

[cloud umbra]

You gotta stand in the middle of the puller

Pillar

Can’t be on the edge

[north dew]

Spellblock requires Shieldblock to be up, right?

[cloud umbra]

You want shield block up with spell block yes

[sick sentinel]

could be a worse vault, i guess (i was and still am doing a million dungeon runs for brainless valor points)

[solemn current]

Should always have shield block up regardless

[fathom goblet]

Have anyone seen Dratnos post on wowhead saying prot pala is considered a better option than prot warrior on higher key ?

[round pendant]

Please do 16s.

They're barely any harder than 15s and I'd argue you don't even need to actually play properly until like 18+

[echo mauve]

What's the best way to play the tank buster on TJS 3rd boss?

[amber siren]

Good guide in pins

[echo mauve]

Will give them a read, cheers

[sacred remnant]

Hi where can I find the chart that shows what I can block with spell block in AV?

[south zealot]

[wary pasture]

If you had to rank from best to worst Tank Specs on Razsageth heroic, what would you guys pick

have a guildie whos asking me

[mortal brook]

the one that can press taunt every 45s or so, tbh

followed by whatever the dps rankings are

[flat hatch]

So im working on getting into higher M+ keys, I do 20-21's now I've noticed some players dont take ravenger? I've used alot of talents to help mitigate kicks and ints. What is the use for this?

[shell mortar]

Guys is Taezir on this discord? I'd like to ask him smth

Always take ravager, big damage, big rage gen

Very high value for 1 talent point

The use for it is - big damage, big threat, big rage generation

[flat hatch]

Thats what I thought, obviously its situational but i dont see where it will benefit not taking it.

I use these atm

sorry for flash

had some beers and forgot where the saved file goes so use phone.

[shell mortar]

Check the pins for "Imo Best M+ Build"

There's talents like bloodsurge that you'd like

Thunderlord can be swapped out

Spell Block is a must in some keys

Etc

[flat hatch]

Yeah just started using Thunderlord

and it feels good

[shell mortar]

It's a really good all around build

It feels good, yes, but doesn't really gain you much unless used on CD, and it also desyncs your Demo Shout from other CDs

[flat hatch]

oh shit

didn't think about that

[urban portal]

you are missing 5% damage

[flat hatch]

Thanks for the help bro

[urban portal]

from focused vigor

the talent above shield charge

[flat hatch]

is that big?

[urban portal]

yes

its 5% strength and 1% crit

[flat hatch]

alot of guides say not to take it???

[urban portal]

this talent

this is insane

you also have neither bloodsurge or instigate

you need one of those

surge for M+ and instigate for raid

[flat hatch]

so blood and instigate for M+?

with that talent?

[urban portal]

blood for M+

instigate for raid

[flat hatch]

I've used Bloodsurge a little

didn't feel much

[urban portal]

focused vigor is borderline mandatory

[flat hatch]

but ill try again

im sure higher keys and big pulls make it.

[shell mortar]

Bloodsurge is just a lot of passive rage on any trash pull

It helps

[flat hatch]

naw makes sense

i used it on lower keys

and just never went back

but im hard stuck on 20-21

so anything i can do to increase dmg and hps

[urban portal]

you are still doing well

for playing with wrong talents at 20s

[flat hatch]

thanks

[urban portal]

just take what the top players are playing

[flat hatch]

makes me rethink my whole play style

thanks for the help yall.

[wild thicket]

hey, first week of prot. should i open my vault in fury for 1 handers and dps trinkets?

[ionic fern]

Do you have a shield?

If yes, then Fury.

[wild thicket]

not yet but close to being able to upgraded my crafted to 418 so was thinking of doing that first.

[shell mortar]

@ionic fern Is Taezir on this discord, pal?

[ionic fern]

Who?

[shell mortar]

The top prot warr in keys

[ionic fern]

Why would i know that? 😂

[shell mortar]

Idk, you're here often

[ionic fern]

Unfortunately i have no idea.

[shell mortar]

Aite

Oh it's Teazir not Taezir

[ionic fern]

Still the same answer. 😦

[shell mortar]

Yep, no worries 😁

[lean gale]

It beginns. All Tank streamer switch to prot. But prot pally

[ionic fern]

Good.

[solemn current]

It gonna lie I’d be happy for warrior to be out of the spotlight as meta FOTM

[ionic fern]

Je, i wanna be considered bad again.

[shy sail]

hey guys relative new to prot here, im having some trouble with uptime of shield block, is there some trick aside from more gear more haste? i picked bolster, helped a lil, but maybe im doing something fundamentally wrong? any tips?

[weary saddle]

suddenly protpally is fotm

[stuck basin]

you shouldnt have problem if talent HR and use shild slam as highest prio - no need for bolster

[pallid quiver]

If you're in keys and using a proper talent build, you're definitely playing wrong at a base level. Most like, like Akuri mentioned, you're probably not pressing SS enough, as with HR, every time you press SS, Shield Block duration extends a bit. You could also be trying to save charges or something of Shield Block proper, which you should only really do if there's downtime coming up; Shield Block can extend up to 3x its base duration, so 18 seconds without Enduring Defenses and 24 with. As a last bit, you also might not be sending Shield Charge on CD for, not only the damage and rage, but the application of Shield Block it gives you if you're talented into Champion's Bulwark (which you 100% should be)

[primal rain]

is this spell any good?

[pallid quiver]

no it's terrible

It allows you to reduce the damage of most spell damage by the amount you block for, which is a pretty decent amount. In times where you can use it, it's a very solid pickup, but it does have the 1.5 min CD that's not terribly convenient. It's a strong pick when it's relevant, it's potentially a wasted point in comparison to Tough as Nails if there's not meaningful, blockable spell damage coming out

It gets a lot of value in dungeons like RLP (First boss), Temple, and the like

[primal rain]

I put stuff like Cauterizing Flame and Cloak of Shadows on a specific keybind. I can't decide whether I put Spell Reflect or Bitter Immunity on that keybind.

[tawdry dirge]

elo anyone had any similar problem in magetower i cant use 1 or 2 of my spells

i asume something is bugging my UI but i cant figure what

[ionic fern]

You don't run bitter Immunity...

[lone eagle]

If you play any other tanks, its good to develop a methodology for tank keybinds

for example Shield Block, Purifying Brew, Shield of the Righteous all share the same bind for me

Ironfur, Celestial Brew, Demon Spikes, Ignore Pain also share a keybind

There's some variability there based on what a tank has, but having 2 "constantly used active mitigation or heal buttons" planned to be bound on every tank is a good rule of thumb. Spell Reflect sits 1 bind below those for me, where Empower Wards, Mark of Ursol used to go and where WoG and Expel Harm goes.

[ionic fern]

Wait, why not Ironfur / Demon Spikes on same bind as SB?

👀

[lone eagle]

Relic of some old keybinds

[urban portal]

Macro iron fur

Easy

[lone eagle]

But those keybinds are close to eachother either way

mouse thumbpad 3 and mouse thumbpad 6

I think I keep the relic keybind there because SB is more maintenancy than both of those due to either spamming or not 100% uptime

IF is "100% uptime" but many times its usage is a lot like IP in terms of volume of presses when rage flooding

so Mouse thumbpad 6 is more convenient for spam buttons like that or buttons that are more deliberate rather than maintenancy?

but its mostly just a decade+ of legacy keybinds that I didn't want to totally rock the boat on changing despite slowly converging them each xpac

[amber siren]

Ironfur is bound to mouse wheel absolutely no exception

[median tulip]

Interrupt is the same bind on every single character, no exceptions

[deep spruce]

Yeah, tbh if you don't do this you're an absolute animal

[rugged pasture]

I noticed someone mentioning its good to swap to fury loot for vault once you have your shield. What's the rational for that?

[amber siren]

Fury has one handed weapon in it's loot table

[pallid quiver]

Tank trinks are poo poo, so you get the option to get DPS trinkets while still keeping the ability to get one-handers on the table

There's also not many 2-handers in the M+ pool, iirc?

Once you have Shield+Wep, you open as Arms from there

[ionic plank]

tanks dont run tank trinkets

[astral thorn]

What's going on with prot warrior in M+?

I haven't seen one in a long time.

[eager phoenix]

?

[ionic fern]

Nothing.

Literally nothing has changed.

People are just playing what their favourite streamer is playing..i'd imagine it's Prot Pala / BDK atm.

[ionic plank]

I still see more prot warriors than any other tank in lfg

for sure

[timber terrace]

After playing both I'd say prot Pala is a way better tank for pugs, the interrupts, bres and offhealing save a lot of deaths or wipes and people start to realise it

[strong forum]

this was always the case

[topaz field]

prot warrior is way better soloing first boss TJS after your team got washed away tho

[ionic plank]

[vale escarp]

Isnt this the normal pug strat?

[topaz field]

i guess so

[drifting pecan]

ofc arms

[hardy snow]

and CoS last boss as well

[raven hatch]

can someone explain to me why the dk would drop a puddle where he is right now? he has two stacks of the debuff but no orbs around him, no bomb on him and isn't getting hit by breath (as without AMS he would be dead)

the DK is below my +5% damage weak aura

[ionic plank]

because the boss does random arcane missiles to enemies

which applies a stack and does a bit of damage

and has no cast time

[raven hatch]

kekw

fair enough, i did not know that

[ionic plank]

not a lot of people do until somehting like this happens :p

[raven hatch]

yeah unfortunately, dropped a puddle, then did the pull and pulled the healer and dk into the orb from that puddle and they both die, leaving the key overtime by 9 seconds

super unlucky xD

I should have reacted faster and moved honestly, I was just perplexed by the puddle

[ionic plank]

boss can get messy real quick yeah