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cloud timber
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can someone explain to me when we take rend instead of one of the other 2 dont really know why since i feel like i dont really use it at all

sick sentinel
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lower bracket MDI live guys

amber siren
deep spruce
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It's in the pack from reloe

rich obsidian
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Hey guys, quick question, when would you pick ITF over Heavy Repercussions? i'm just heading into vault for the time (as a tank)

deep spruce
sick sentinel
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gross, sanguine next week

amber siren
rich obsidian
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I am only 388ilvl if that makes any difference

amber siren
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No difference

rich obsidian
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Cool, thanks for the swift answer 🙂

amber siren
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Np, good luck in raid!

modest robin
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is storm eater's boon any good? it seems like a trap

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i have a choice between that and rumbling ruby - sim says storm eater's is better but it seems risky to me

cloud timber
shrewd arrow
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Hi guys i was trying the third boss on Temple of Jade, every time i get hit by the Jade debuff (the green One), i almost get killed even with cd cause the healing stack debuff of the week. Any particolar advice?

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How u deal with It in High keys

sick sentinel
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go over what you are going to do with healer

tame jasper
sick sentinel
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if they have the stuff to watch your CD's and they can do so, just get them to watch those, to not blow every external cd on you, and also you don't use every CD/potion whatever each time panic mode

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-TJS 3rd boss - You can Spell Reflect the fire phase kick. For the Jade phase, use SW/SR/Spell Block/DS + IP to mitigate initial hit, followed by IV/LS/Healthpot to help reduce healing absorb. If you cast Spell Block just before the kick lands, you can cover 2 kicks with it.If possible ask your DPS'ers to keep CD's for the second phase. in pinned (top right your device)

shrewd arrow
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Spell block cover the Jade debuff? I was thinking from the Moment isn't write the 20% spell damage reduction It was only worth for spell cast

sick sentinel
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im pretty sure its strong against it

strong forum
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spell block only works on the initial hit, not the dot, yes

sick sentinel
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its so u can survive the first hit more easily, tyranical and greivous and 20 that is gross

dusty forge
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How well can you tank in mythic + with fury stats?

slim dove
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fine enough

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obv we like crit more then mast but its not a dead stat like crit is for fury

dusty forge
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Up to low 20s without any issues?

strong forum
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easily

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good people are tanking 20s with 360ilvl

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youll be fine

dusty forge
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Lol

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Okay

dusky canopy
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Boys is there a DF enchant for reduced fall damage? i thought there was but i cannot remember the name

sharp steppe
amber siren
dusky canopy
cinder storm
sharp steppe
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Battering Ram I dropped for the HP and Armor thingy cause I was scared of First Boss, still figuring out the cooldown usage on that boss. But yeah that probably like 1.5k ST that I lost to no Battering Ram. Should have swapped out of Dstance after First Boss aswell I guess

jagged pier
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your not dying to not having enough HP

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thats never

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the issue

strong forum
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too many outbursts on thunderclap

sharp steppe
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Oh yeah. That’s true I guess. I’ll swap Battering ram in again, also helps killing the bosses quicker

strong forum
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only 8 uses of grieftorch

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losing like 2k dps there

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minimum

sharp steppe
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Hmmm yeah. The Double On-Use in frying my brain, I hate it haha. I’ll get proper Outburst WA again and then use more Grieftorch. U don’t have the Outburst in your WA pack or, nome?

strong forum
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i used 50 less shieldslams

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than you did

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but did 3million more dmg with them

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i used 50 less thunderclaps

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but did 1mil more dmg with them

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serioussloth how

sharp steppe
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Hmmm. A bit from Dstance right?

strong forum
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14% of it yes

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i think maybe positioning may be an issue

sharp steppe
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But yeah that’s super weird, ngl.

strong forum
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pwar dmg relies massively on positioning

sharp steppe
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Isn’t TC just X yards around you? Like can you actually make a mistake there?

strong forum
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revenge

surreal kindle
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What stats missive should I use with lariat for protection?

strong forum
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haste+X

surreal kindle
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What's X :P?

strong forum
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whatever you prefer

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crit is more dmg

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vers is more popular

sharp steppe
# strong forum revenge

Oh yeah for Revenge I can see it for sure… But the thing with the TC Damage is kinda sus

surreal kindle
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What's the vers one called?

strong forum
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missive of vers

sharp steppe
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Your average Tc is doing 12k more than mine 😦

strong forum
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potion diff aswell

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eye in the storm is huge

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thats like 10% str in aoe

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vs your puny 3.7% vers

sharp steppe
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Oh is it Not like on VDH Vers on Tyra and EitS for fort?

strong forum
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eits always

sharp steppe
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Ohhhh. Im dumb then sadge

strong forum
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you can min-max for bosses

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to swap to vers

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pwar gets more from str than other classes

sharp steppe
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Okay, that’s rly good to know. Will fix that asap

strong forum
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i also just did massively more dmg on bosses

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thats where big loss comes up from you, but i guess fort lowkey vs tyr high key

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makes a big diff

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i did 15k more dps on last boss

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cuz lowkey prob

sharp steppe
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Yeah my ST is rly bad still. I trolled hard in Last Boss, stepped into a puddle in P1 and did some weird stuff in general I think haha

strong forum
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so besides that is kinda hard to tell, its all just small things adding up

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dstance weaving, trinket(s), outbursts

sharp steppe
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Okay so: EitS Phial, get Outburst tracker, play Battering Ram kinda always, Stance weaving and fix Trinket usage

strong forum
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outburst is vital

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ye

sharp steppe
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Can u share ur Outburst tracker? I’m using ur WA but it doesn’t have Outburst

strong forum
fresh igloo
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outburst is Violent Outburst, the talent that after you spend a certain amount of rage, it buffs damage of next shield slam or thunderclap, right?

strong forum
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yes

fresh igloo
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cool

strong forum
sharp steppe
strong forum
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my tracker is fancy

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not just a buff tracker

sharp steppe
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Yeah that’s pog now that I know hahaha

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Thanks a lot again nome ❤️

strong forum
dire matrix
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big fan shaene

cinder storm
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Just to be a bit nitpicky, try to cast a few more executes, at least on trash

strong forum
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ye execute on 2 or less targets is better than revenge

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if you can afford to do so

sharp steppe
sharp steppe
quick elk
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if I'm impatient for a trinket, which crafted one would be best. alchemy haste/vers or darkmoon tank one?

strong forum
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uuuuh

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alchemy haste? i think

sharp steppe
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Oh and Nome: 408 alltotem over 411 Grieftorch or 415 Whetstone?

strong forum
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if you cant use grieftorch well, totem+whetstone

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otherwise torch + totem

sharp steppe
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Okay! Thanks 🙂

strong forum
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totem is mega locked in

sharp steppe
bold olive
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All-totem so good, I'd find it hard to use grieftorch unless I was 100% always using optimally.

strong forum
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which is funny for mdi

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every tank runs torch

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and i swear they dont use it remotely on CD

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should run all-totem

bold olive
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Burst when you need it

strong forum
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"when you need it"

bold olive
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lmao

sharp steppe
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Tbh one of my issues is simply the double On-Use thing.

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Getting rid of one of them would certainly improve the usage of the other one

strong forum
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i just made trinket trackers next to my stance tracker

sharp steppe
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Yeah. Maybe I just get a WA that yells at me when one of them is ready

strong forum
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i just have this

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automatically updates which trinket is in slot and if its usable or not

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glows when ready

sharp steppe
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That’s nice aswell. Why is it not in the WA I imported

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Maybe I should update it

strong forum
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nah its not in there

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cuz its in a different group

sharp steppe
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Ahhhh okay. Can u link me that one aswell? Maybe that helps me a bit with trinket usage

strong forum
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sharp steppe
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Ty!

quick elk
tawdry lichen
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weapon craft. axe sword, mace or just any?

slim dove
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doesn't matter.

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More swordsmiths then others however.

lusty karma
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Is there any reason in M+ to run vers phial over eye in the storm phial?

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was thinking possibly for bosses it could be nicer since you have full effect vs. 1 stack from eye

slim dove
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tyr weeks where 1.5% dr matters

lusty karma
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so run vers you think?

slim dove
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run eye of the storm.

sick sentinel
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it's tecnically eye IN the storm

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i learned that searching them on the AH

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umm i usually use eye or versa either at rank 2, or rank 1, are the main picks,depends on key, but i pretty much never start a key without one, when it makes sense and doesn't cost alot

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MDI pretty exciting today

cinder storm
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when are the finals?

sterile bough
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!BSV

cinder storm
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Command is broken, just like the talent keks

sterile bough
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im trying to make my tank understand

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why hes dying

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when playing barbaric training

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and how cheat death aint cheat death

pallid quiver
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What content is your tank hitting that they're dying in? Because they still shouldn't be dying even with BT

sterile bough
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diurna

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but hes special

round pendant
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How do I find nomes WA?

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That outburst bar seems interesting

amber siren
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it should be on wago afaik

slim dove
cinder storm
strong forum
sick sentinel
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im never getting that stupid ring back

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why the fuck do i get good ring, and then trade it to ragnaros

round pendant
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Hey nome you should check out quazii's shieldblock tracker in his WA

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it's 2 nice bars that refill

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idk if he has it on wago or anything tho, think you have to go to his website lol

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I'm gonna yoink that outburst tracker tho

cinder storm
noble stratus
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any advice on what i can do 2 improve

strong forum
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this log is sadly broken, hard to tell much

noble stratus
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oh wtf

shadow wagon
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do you guys use anything to remember d stance? I am finding that every time I die I completely forget that's even an ability that I have

cinder storm
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You can move the stance bar somewhere where its more visible in your screen

high basalt
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Guys do we need to track our tier set? Ty

cinder storm
noble stratus
strong forum
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besides you playing barbaric training and you being low ilvl its not bad, just need to press IP a bit more instead of revenge, and more thunderclaps

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overcapped a bit much of rage, which will be changed if you stop playing barbaric training

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your outburst usage was alright

shadow wagon
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why is barbaric training bad?

chilly brook
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Destroys your rage economy

strong forum
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lower tierset uptime, ragestarves you in low target situations, makes you squishier

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and is not a relevant dmg increase

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its within margin of error of dmg gain

noble stratus
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ye ill b honest i havent changed my talents since like start of df

strong forum
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0.1%

noble stratus
pallid quiver
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It's worth noting in simple terms that you get less damager per rage spent with BT when casting Revenge

noble stratus
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thats how ive been doing it so far

strong forum
noble stratus
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o

strong forum
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it should be <=~1%

noble stratus
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so i should use it more to lower that

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okay

strong forum
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and generally just more button presses but thatll come with time

sick sentinel
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im not getting that ring again

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it wont drop

shadow wagon
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since we maintain 100% sb uptime is it okay to macro it into your abilities?

strong forum
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uuuh kinda?

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i think i once tried macroing SB into my SS

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and i dont know if its still active or not

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i legit cant tell its still on my bars

shadow wagon
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I'm trying to come up with more bar space. need a spot for impending victory

image.png
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atm iv is part of my charge, but i can never see the cd

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but if i could macro sb then I could move iv there

spring thunder
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For 3rd Boss in TJS as a tank, is there any failsafe way to avoid getting hit by the beams from Jade Serpent Kick? I thought. It always came out like an “X” (NW,NE,SE,SW). But doesn’t feel like it.

strong forum
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no

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its entirely random

wispy canopy
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A wave always target where you were if i remember correctly ?

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Random ?

strong forum
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wave is 100% random

wispy canopy
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ok mb

strong forum
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a dude did 50 runs of the boss

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standing perfectly still

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and overlapped all videos

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and he had a full circle of waves around him

slow harbor
spring thunder
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But as soon as I see Jade Serpent Strike, (not kick) I’m ok to move out of range and use a defensive to give me more time to adjust?

strong forum
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i use like 47 binds

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you only use like 25

shadow wagon
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binds are not the problem

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i have hidden bars, but that doesn't matter if i need to track the cd

strong forum
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weakauras

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or more bars to display your buttons

shadow wagon
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the problem is I need to track 1 more icon

strong forum
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exactly why weakauras and dynamic groups are so good

shadow wagon
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and if I do that the bars will be all misaligned

strong forum
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itll all update automatically

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or you have to resize 1 of your bars

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wait

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why are you tracking ignore pain as a button there?

shadow wagon
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but then every other spec I play has an empty button

strong forum
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thats super useless

shadow wagon
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i have a wa over it to show the %

strong forum
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move the WA, put IV there

shadow wagon
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even if I move the keybind i still need to track the %

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i can move the wa but it's still the same problem, there's one random icon floating off by itself

strong forum
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make it text based only

shadow wagon
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okay that could work

strong forum
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this is where my Ignore Pain is

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just a number above my health

shadow wagon
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converting to text broke the wa

strong forum
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tip

topaz raptor
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kinda messed up a heroic drop isnt an upgrade

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strong forum
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just turn the icon alpha to 0

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😉

shadow wagon
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you are very smart

strong forum
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cuz its also only 415

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also, 20s are arguably harder than heroic raid, so it just makes sense to drop better loot than heroic

shadow wagon
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the only issue with IP as text only is I can't see the duration

strong forum
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you dont need to care about duration

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whatsoever

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youll never go 12 seconds without pressing ignore pain

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unless you play poorly

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or theres downtime

shadow wagon
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I mean I've done plenty of dungeons with sections where ignore pain is capped but is about to fall off

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ie. skovald

strong forum
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huh?

pallid quiver
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something something odyn's really gotta scratch his ass

strong forum
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are you....

shadow wagon
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he does like 0 damage

strong forum
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not pressing buttons during shield?

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you press ignore pain to spend rage

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not to only use it to get the shield up

shadow wagon
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wouldn't you rather revenge?

strong forum
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you do both.

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you NEED to do both

pallid quiver
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You use both; there's not a choice between them

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IP's off the GCD

strong forum
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if you only revenge to spend rage, youre trolling yourself

pallid quiver
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so you can press both, and you need to do so to spend rage

strong forum
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your dmg output and your survivability

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optimal gameplay presses 12-15ignore pains and revenges per minute

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everybody

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thats not a stance issue then

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its a gameplay issue

chilly brook
strong forum
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eh

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only if you play poorly

chilly brook
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If you’re not using IP even when you don’t need it defensively you’re actually killing yourself in terms of rage spent

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Which means less CDs

strong forum
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you dont need defensive stance at all in raid outside rasza

chilly brook
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Which means less damage

strong forum
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dmg intake in raid isnt high enough

chilly brook
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Just do stuff in battlestanxe

strong forum
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yeah then hes trolling if hes not using defensive stance on jaw bites or p3 tank busters

chilly brook
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Pop into defensive before a big hit

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Or specific mechanics

strong forum
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just swap for the hit, then swap back out

chilly brook
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Otherwise stay in battle

strong forum
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D-stance is perfect for tank busters

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cuz its only 3sec CD

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just a quick swap back and forth

chilly brook
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^

strong forum
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no

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stance dance min-maxing is the ultimate skill expression for pwar

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besides just doing good damage without being a liability

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i mean thats fine

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parsing is the only fun you get as tank in raid

chilly brook
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That’s how it should be

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Lmao

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Tanks should do damage

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Full stop

strong forum
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but you still gotta accept that you d-stance where its appropriate for heavy dmg intake

chilly brook
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I mean staying alive it’s either you screwed up or someone else did

strong forum
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rasza p3 you lower raid dmg intake by going into D-stance for it

chilly brook
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If he’s a parser his general play has to be fairly good

strong forum
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so thats a must play

chilly brook
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Well I meant

strong forum
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its only 3seconds of -14% dmg

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he'll be fine

chilly brook
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Typically optimal defensive play is tied to high parse for warrior

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It’s a bit different now that we have two stances

cloud tide
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can u buy mythic vault raid id with skip?

strong forum
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sure

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just need to find a guild willing to sell it

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which is rare

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a boost is easy to buy, an ID will be a bit hard to buy

chilly brook
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Cuz you can do everything proper and not run defensive stance for key mechanics and that will hurt you obviously

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But everything else if you’re parsing high you’re generally doing things right rotationally that will lead to higher survivability

sick sentinel
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if i ever see those COS boots in my vault i may pick them up

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big haste and some amount of crit

hardy snow
hazy bronze
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The last boss is typically the money-maker

hardy snow
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you cant farm one boss on mythic with same character

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so they will take full price anyway, doesnt matter whether they kill boss for you or not

sacred remnant
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Hi

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I am struggling on crawth, any tips?

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talents etc i should use?

warm plinth
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Tell your healer to stop falling asleep between screeches

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We don't run any special talents for Crawth. You rotate CDs as much as possible and the healer does the rest

bold olive
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Are you pugging your healer?

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It's easy to say "I got 1/3/5, can you watch me with externals on 2/4/6?"

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Something like that

fresh igloo
#

don't slam all your buttons at once. mitigate the bleed. savage peck on tyrannical hurts.

slim dove
#

prevoker that knows stasis tech = ez gg crawth

sick sentinel
#

almost reached my 5100 haste goal, got someone to trade a lower version of the ring

sacred remnant
ember tangle
#

something with storing the dispell cast and dispelling the bleed multiple times

slim dove
#

^

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if caut fails to dispel anything, it resets the cd 🙂

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so store caut into stasis to force the cd to reset

hard isle
#

best talents for m+ this week?

graceful cobalt
#

hi wich addon is it for the hast value?

sick sentinel
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that ones called true stat values

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im advocating for this one

spring thunder
#

Question: As soon as I see "Serpent Jade Strike" being cast, I can start running out, use my defensive (sb, sw, etc) without any fear of being nuked right? Meaning.. I don't have to be in range. B/c right after is "Jade Serpent Kick" and I've given myself plenty of distance to dodge the beams. Hope that makes sense lol.

graceful cobalt
#

thx

fresh igloo
spring thunder
shrewd arrow
#

Guys u know the Add-ons name Who tracks party CD?

round pendant
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OmniCD

shrewd arrow
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I thoug I already had it

quiet monolith
#

Otherwise yes I run out

warm plinth
#

You stay in for the kick? 🤔

quiet monolith
#

Not the kick I guess, whatever the thing is that causes the absorb

warm plinth
#

Strike = absorb, kick = aoe with the flame waves

quiet monolith
#

Yea sorry, I stay in for the strike and self heal and then run out

violet flume
#

In HoV, do you guys do the bears after fenryr? I have been doing the bulls and someone just pointed out to me that most people do bears apparantly

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bulls i just kite around and take 0 damage, seemed easier but i did bears for the first time yesterday

quiet monolith
#

Bears are good I'd you skip everything else and kite them

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Bulls are annoying with the stomp

violet flume
#

i guess bulls do that crappy aoe so melee dps less

quiet monolith
#

I do 2 bulls and bears

warm plinth
#

We do both bears and bulls so we can do less in the hallway

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and big wolf pull

violet flume
#

hm really, i did only bears yesterday and that gave me enough %

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what else do you skip ?

quiet monolith
#

You can add wolves too if you stack on the pole, can do the 7 wolves

warm plinth
#

the sentinels

violet flume
#

ah so bulls to compensate for the single sentinel pat in the corridor

quiet monolith
#

Skip all middle mobs / sentinels and I think even a hallway trash packs

violet flume
#

i guess that sentinel is a huge waste of time

warm plinth
#

we skip all the sentinels and all the mobs on the far side of the hallway

quiet monolith
#

I don't know if it's huge, especially on ryrannical

cinder storm
#

I do 4 bulls, feed 3 stags to drake, and 5 wolves aside from all bears

quiet monolith
#

Doesn't take long to kill it

warm plinth
#

still prevents kicks though so you have to pull it alone

violet flume
#

you skip the 2 sentinel pack with a beer i bet

quiet monolith
#

You can soothe th

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Them

violet flume
#

ah always forget about soothe

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i also just found out about the reverse polarity abuse on hyrja yesterday, failed it even though i leaped the second she shot her light ability out

warm plinth
#

we sklip with shroud

violet flume
#

i need to master that, hyrja has been crushing 80% of my pugs :/

quiet monolith
#

Yea I also need to learn that

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I've yet to get the timing right

cinder storm
#

There are two versions of the desync, the perfect one and the not so perfect one, if she casts sanctify with both lasers, move her after the frontal not right away

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While making sure she is still getting lighting stacks

cinder storm
#

If you want to practice it in H, you can reset the boss by having her walk close to the wall

quiet monolith
#

I've heard of that , when I found it on wago the top comment was that it didn't work

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I'll have to have my friends go into an m0 with me and try it

violet flume
#

im sure u can practice it on normal

cinder storm
#

The timing in non keys is shorter so it helps you to master it

violet flume
#

hopefulyl she resets if you run out lol

cinder storm
violet flume
#

ah, as you can see im not a quitter, never tried to run out so i never saw that wall lmao

sleek spindle
#

is instigate worth taking as a tank in mythics

#

or question is does it generate more rage than bloodsurge

cinder storm
#

I take it for RLP or temple on tyr, not necessary but helpful, don't know how worth it is

violet flume
#

no bloodusrge is way better

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on M+

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like im psure bloodsurge is a must pick talent

sleek spindle
#

alright, just trying to see what i can do to increase some dmg

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cause i dont like to execute on higher keys lol

hallow phoenix
#

Do you all track seeing red or just go with it

violet flume
#

typical M+ build should be good enough, some people take battering ram for more damage

cinder storm
#

You can execute if you have a VO procc on SS

violet flume
#

in aoe packs with +3 mobs i love avatar and thunderclap>revenge spam

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if they dont do enugh damage for me to spam shield slam for more defensive power

last mason
#

do u guys take hunters in pugs

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am I the only one who refuses to bc they are perma dead

violet flume
#

eh they dont die more than most for me

sleek spindle
#

i can do fine dmg

#

aoe wise and multiple mobs

#

was the ST

cinder storm
#

No healer likes a hunter in key

violet flume
#

i did hear hunters complain abotu their defensives so maybe thats why idk

cinder storm
#

For the most part is better to avoid them past a certain key level

violet flume
#

hunter is like the no1 filler in groups i join to get lust lol

#

tbh if your group is struggling to clear a +20 its probably not a class issue

sleek spindle
#

lol i get with ppl who die in 18's 😦

#

makes me sad

violet flume
#

to be fair thats where it starts getting hard-ish

#

they always fail a mechanic though

cinder storm
#

Dps need one extra neuron per key level past a 20

violet flume
#

im trying to do all +20s by only pugging asnd its been hell for key completion 18+ and up so i get you lol

#

..if they invite me for +20s that is, i kepe getting declined, i figure 2500 rating / 416 ilevel is too low for some

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i even get declined to the dungeons ive cleared on +20 too lmao

cinder storm
#

Pug safe classes, evoker/druid heals, feral or dudu, DH and rogue

atomic nest
#

Keep running your own key

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Only invite overgeared meta kids lol and make sure you don’t be the reason you fail the key

violet flume
#

yeah i probably should do that

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doesnt help ive failed 2 of my own +20 runs lately lmao, i feel like i never failed but i somehow get stunned on odin for the first time in 20 runs during his big smash

atomic nest
#

Haha fair fair no one to blame but yourself then

#

We all fail

violet flume
#

yeah it happens, at least its rare enough lol

#

i also have terrible luck and get some 415 ilevle people who soemhow pull 400 ilevel levels of dps these days

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feel like uncap valor has made a lot of scrubs gear easily

atomic nest
#

Yea honestly I only take 417-418 for my 20s I only pug myself

#

Who have times the key before

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Timed

sick sentinel
#

if i valor cap all my gear i'll be at 5222 (pretty close i think) haste, 120 ish points over first penalty

image.png
#

that's with a 105 haste food buff there, but then i have no embellishment, i'll have 16's to get the greater infusions to get 411's i think they start at

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my thought is versa bracers,lariat or shield armor spikes any combination of the 3

tacit lantern
#

which dungeons is tough as nails worth compared to spellblock

compact hawk
#

I'm considering swapping from frostfire belt to armor spikes on shield so i can have a haste/verse belt crafted. anyone know how they compare? I dont have either raid ring.

viral elk
#

The DPS without raid ring is just over 1% typically, for me. So not a big loss

compact hawk
#

on the spikes?

sick sentinel
#

void slash hurts apparently?

south zealot
#

yes

modest robin
#

hey is storm eater's boon any good as prot? i have a choice between that and rumbling ruby. storm eater's looks better on paper but just wondering if it's a simtrap

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seems kinda risky to use

reef holly
warm plinth
#

Since you're rooted for 10 seconds

modest robin
#

hmmmmm kinda tempted to grab it.

sick sentinel
#

its okay

#

this keyy is fucked anyways lol

#

whats the way of out playing them, rather than "on a high key 22 we do this"

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cuz its not a 22, but its a key

sterile bough
#

on a key such as u do IP should be enough to live em

sick sentinel
#

hit for 130 k

sterile bough
#

I pref to do it shockwave -> shield charge -> shock bolt -> wall + reflect -> spell block -> kite

compact hawk
#

storm eaters boon is very fun damage as long as you dont get stuck in yuck.

sterile bough
sick sentinel
#

maybe id uno

image.png
sterile bough
#

and u can stack like 3,5 -4,5 IPs

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u can only press IP

remote owl
#

help settle a debate how much babysitting does a ilvl appropriate warr need on 3rd RLP boss

sterile bough
#

some?

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depends on a helaer

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from evoker 1 spell prob

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from druid maby few hots

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oh 3rd

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tought u meant 2nd

remote owl
#

sorry meant 2nd

sterile bough
#

not much I guess

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then again Im not healer

#

but never had issues on that boss AFTER nerf

remote owl
#

on a 23 i had to spam every wings and serenity on top of hardcasting heals on the tank or they would just melt

sterile bough
#

tank issue I guess

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but then again u should ask on healer discord

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casue im clueless how much they are healing me

viral elk
sterile bough
#

"they"?

coral umbra
#

Prot with 36% crit is fun.

viral elk
coral umbra
#

Doing way to much damage at 385

sterile bough
#

not even casting single spell on him

#

painge

remote owl
remote owl
viral elk
sterile bough
#

wonder which one

viral elk
#

That's pretty surprising if on 2nd boss rlp

valid finch
#

just wondering if the titan ring is worth being crafted

sick sentinel
#

i hate SBG

#

what an annoying ass key to run when you apply big numbers to it

south zealot
sterile bough
#

pal

sacred remnant
#

im getting rolled on crawth, i feel so rage starved

sick sentinel
#

we didnt time that kwy obviously

median tulip
#

Crawth is absolutely the worst boss this week

calm obsidian
chilly brook
#

Heal absorb mechanic kekw

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Oh wait

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Nvm I’m retarded, wrong dungeon ignore me

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Last boss of RLP not bad at all

last mason
#

trying to put together a group for my 22 now but nobody is overqulified
and nobody seems to play shaman or priest

torpid junco
#

Could use help on 3rd boss temple 2nd phase. Can you walk through how you rotate your cooldowns to survive that

median tulip
weary saddle
viral elk
violet flume
#

if you have no poison dispel in your group, i guess you just kite adds on tree boss?

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shit ticked me for 480k, felt super slow dps on adds tho

sick sentinel
#

If you have no poison dispel you right click your character frame and then go down the list until you find the option that says “leave party”· press that and you should be good

warm plinth
south zealot
#

unless youre a dk chatting

slim dove
ember tangle
#

i ran a sbg 20 today with undergeared peeps in a full melee group

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the monk healer insisted he would get the marks on the last boss

median tulip
#

The best way to deal with the poison adds on the tree is to murder them all ASAP by stacking, and the second best way is to get the stacks soaked by an Earth Elemental or Boomkin trees. "Don't get stacks" is superior to "Dispel the stacks"

ember tangle
#

so he could bait

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he did not

ionic fern
#

Je, full melee is fun in that dungeon.

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Actually makes the dungeon hard.

ember tangle
#

luckily i was on druid so i could let wildfire help out with the healing

ionic fern
median tulip
#

Lol

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TBQH I enjoy padding outrageously with Thunderous Roar on that boss

ionic fern
#

Ya.

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Same on Vault first boss.

median tulip
#

Yeah. Vault last boss as well TBH

ionic fern
#

Wait

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Wait

#

This can't be right?

#

Can you only cast 4 healing surges as a resto shaman?

slim dove
#

has to be cap

ionic fern
median tulip
#

That will be Ele or Enh

onyx needle
#

I am bad with macros, is there a way to macro together Def. Stance and Shield Wall for Rasz. For I would like to do most of that fight in Battle Stance, except for taking the electrifying jaws and the blast.

ionic fern
#

/cast Defensive Stance
/Cast Shield Wall

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?

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👀

onyx needle
#

ok, i did not know if i needed a specific code for the spells not just the name

ionic fern
#

Just the name is enough. 🙂

sick sentinel
#

How much do you guy sim for?

onyx needle
#

And if i have a tendency to pull to much threat compared to other tank would it be advisable to use battle stance since def, stance does gimp threat some by reducing dmg, making it harder for me to pull off them?

stuck basin
#

flame him to learn his specc 😅

ionic fern
ionic fern
#

You tell the other tank "Hello dear co-tank. L2p".

median tulip
#

There are situations where it's not the cotank playing badly. My regular cotank had to miss a raid night, and the backup was only 387; I kept pulling hate on SS crits

ionic fern
#

Well, if the co-tank is low geared, for sure. 👀

median tulip
#

They could survive fine, just their threat was an issue

ionic fern
#

But let them just taunt back.

median tulip
#

This was HC

ionic fern
#

I was raiding for a while with a co-tank who was under-geared and i kept pulling aggro, but outside of some random Terros deaths it was fine.

median tulip
#

I slapped Eranog kinda hard and ended up having to take 14 stacks

onyx needle
#

Yeah,, on pulls i can rip easily, but then I burst like crazy on them. Our gear is about the same, I just notice i tend to do roughly 12-16k more dps. Only fight i do not is on Diurna, but then I am kiting the boss, and not on the adds.

violet flume
#

12-16k more oof

median tulip
#

What class is your cotank? And is this N, HC, or M?

onyx needle
#

HC, Paly

violet flume
#

i do wish tanks couldnt pull threat from eachother wit hjust damage though, feels archaic sometimes and just annoying

ionic fern
#

I like it.

violet flume
#

i had a cotank like this but i used to play guardian so id just go catform and itd be a nonissue

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idk how you can like it, whats fun abut holding back on using your skills because your cotank is undergeared/too low dps?

median tulip
#

A paladin with equal gear should not be getting outdpsed to that degree

ionic fern
#

I'm not holding back.

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I just play the class well

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And i expect my co-tank/raid team to do the same.

#

If the co-tank is also playing optimally threat is not a issue.

#

If the co-tank is not playing optimally and are not willing to improve - kick.

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Yes.

#

Can go Spell Block for extra defensive.

#

Naa

#

This week is pretty chill.

#

I just did a weekly 22 yesterday and it was no issue.

#

Even with horrible DPS'ers.

coral umbra
#

How much does the 4p help?

cinder storm
#

It's not a break the class good

#

It's decent

slim dove
#

Ain't like boomkin 4pce that's for sure keks

scenic mural
#

WTB a single healer this week jfc

ionic fern
#

This expansion is weird.
Enough tanks, enough DPS'ers, but not enough healers.

#

Usually it's tanks that are low in numbers.

scenic mural
#

add this weeks affixes and i think healers just dont logon

mint imp
#

healer's job in m+ just became more annoying than tanks

#

all those affixes = quaking, explosives, bursting, grievous + healers are expected to do at least 15-20K dps and also keep everyone alive. It's just nightmare to play healer in m+

ionic fern
#

Idk.

#

It's always been like that.

#

So it has to be either:
1)Dungeon design
2)Healer design

#

👀

jagged pier
#

tbh i dont expect anything of anyone in m+ because i pug

#

as long as we get to the end

#

im not too angry

mint imp
scenic mural
#

@mint imp are you healer main? and what does healer have to do woth quaking?

stuck basin
#

quaking kicks your casts so you have to play around in some high grp dmg inc phases - or you have tanks/melees taking 40% from ignoring it same time 😉

#

and there are 2 heal specc playing melee as well...

ionic fern
#

That's been a thing since forever,

#

Currently there are some horrible overlaps.

#

Like tyrannical last boss overlap during intermission etc.

potent gulch
ionic fern
#

Or Hyrja.

potent gulch
#

not healers go low in quantity - but tanks get more quantity

stuck basin
#

hyrja quaking is a delight 😅

grizzled kite
ionic fern
#

I'm not there to gain friends.

#

I'm there to raid.

#

If it's a guild advertised as "CE" i'd expect people to put in effort.

#

if it's your everyday "HC fun-run" type of guild.

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Do w/e.

jagged pier
#

i agree with mwahi hear i have a very sink or swim mentality with my co-tank in raid, there is 0 need to not play optimatlly imma be pissed

#

i shouldnt be grabbing aggro 5 seconds after youve taunted

#

it just shouldnt happen

ionic fern
#

^

grizzled kite
#

"it's not binary you can be decent and gifted at the same time"

blazing condor
#

i just expect my guildies to reflect the purpose of their raiding

#

ive had a lot of guilds where we're all just mates who like to play

#

and we either progress or we dont

#

and thats fine when people are shit and dont really care

#

but if im in a guild "pushing CE" like mwahi said there aint no way

mortal brook
#

having an excellent cotank is high quality of life

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big recommend

#

not there to babysit, im there to enable and collaborate

#

good foundation to be friendly

shell mortar
#

Darn you guys go hard eh

minor forge
#

To the person that recommended shield as first 418 recraft
I put the alch pocket on it too
Huge quality of life and dr improvement over 405 shield
Didnt know the difference is so dramatic in shield upgrades

tame jasper
#

I dont raid Mythic atm but I‘m with Jakey and Mwahi. Back in Vanilla I was protomed from dps to maintank after raidlead realized on Vael that I do more and faster aggro than our maintanks (who had better gear) and their low aggro costs us countless of wipes

ionic fern
#

I join with those expectations.

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Why would i be satisfied with a co-tank who doesn't meet any of them?

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🤔

jagged pier
#

^

tame jasper
#

!

shell mortar
#

Idk, I just don't think about it. Not my problem. If I don't like, I leave. Ain't gonna waste my time arguing with people

ionic fern
#

It's like you get a new co-worker for position X and they meet non of the qualifications.

shell mortar
#

Guess that's the difference, I don't consider raid even remotely close to comparable to work

ionic fern
#

Raiding is a chore.

shell mortar
#

If you pug, I suppose

ionic fern
#

I'm in a 2 day guild.

shell mortar
#

Or you're in a guild where you don't like the people

ionic fern
#

Naa, i like the people.

#

Most of them.

#

I just don't enjoy raiding that much.

#

And it just becomes amplified if people are crap.

shell mortar
#

Why do it then keks

ionic fern
#

If everyone are on the same skill-level more or less it's fine.

ionic fern
strong forum
#

Love wiping to the same boss forever cuz dps #15 forgot mechanics exist

#

Raiding is fun bro, I-I swear

ionic fern
#

Probably will skip raiding again next tier.

shell mortar
ionic fern
shell mortar
#

In what way

#

Like pushing keys or?

ionic fern
#

Keys/Raids, w/e i'm currently interested in.

strong forum
#

Gearing is the goal of wow for me

shell mortar
#

Idk, you really don't need that little bit of extra gear to perform in any content

ionic fern
untold scroll
shell mortar
# untold scroll Lies.

Haven't stepped foot in raid outside of first 2 bosses pugged on mythic and I'd say I'm pretty comfortable in getting 0.1% title this season

untold scroll
shell mortar
#

Sure I'd like mythic kurog trinket or mythic boon but it won't be what times my keys

hardy snow
shell mortar
#

Nah, it really doesn't

#

Gear is overvalued

#

Except for the very rare items which are essentially an embellishment, like the fire ring

#

That shit's broken

limpid anchor
#

Are you that guy who said that he runs 25s with 390 ilvl

pallid quiver
#

They're not arguing that it's what's gonna make them clear content

They're arguing that they want to pull bigger numbers, so they have to go through the chore of raiding, which they are currently willing to do

mint imp
#

I love when dps tell me pull biggers in HoV and I'm always like are you guys sure you have the capacity to kick everything? 😄

shell mortar
limpid anchor
#

And then the tank gets flamed

shell mortar
limpid anchor
#

The dps increase from getting icon / totem / boon / grief is pretty big

shell mortar
#

It's noticeable and helpful, for sure

jagged pier
shell mortar
#

I'd just rather do an extra couple of keys in the time I would be raiding

ionic fern
# jagged pier thought u were gunna dps?

Je,that's the most probable one. I just gotta DPS horribly enough that i wouldn't be included in all fights..while also DPS'ing well enough to be provided gear by the lootcouncil.

#

Fine balance.

jagged pier
#

thats easy u need to be like 5th bottom so u dont get seen as bad just your gear is bad

#

so then u get it first

tawdry dirge
#

does the embelsihments work in mage tower?

jagged pier
#

no clue

#

but u dont need them

#

the MT is a joke

tawdry dirge
#

yeah if done it on my warrior allready but was sort of prepare my bear now for the new skin

#

or do you mean all of them now in DF

jagged pier
#

i mean from what i know the bear one is now a joke

#

it wasnt back in legion

#

or in SLs

#

when i did it

#

both times

tawdry dirge
#

the legion version was solid imo

#

SL i didnt manage it thought

warm plinth
#

I did bear one in like sub 10 tries in SL. It's easier now.

jagged pier
#

yer i did it before the nerf in SLs

tawdry dirge
#

allright so no big preparition needed

jagged pier
#

was actually a challenge then

ionic fern
mortal brook
#

Bear is way more chill now than slands

strong forum
#

now you actually have dmg

glass spear
#

traded good incarn for good damage

ionic plank
#

must be a nightmare

jagged pier
#

dps players make the best tanks tbh

#

like the top guild tanks all started as dps

ionic plank
#

I kept taunting on eranog because dbm told me to and I had like 20 stacks and died

jagged pier
#

thats on u then for taunting

ionic plank
#

yeah exactly

#

got rank 1 boss damage on dathea though 😎 that's the real display of tanking skill, right?

jagged pier
potent gulch
ionic plank
#

the key word there is boss damage

potent gulch
ionic plank
#

I can tell you exactly how to parse on boss damage

#

but not how to actually parse

potent gulch
ionic plank
stuck basin
ionic plank
#

no, play a second tank that never leaves the boss platform

#

and only do 1 platform

tame jasper
#

On HC nobody needs to play plattforms. But I doubt this works on Mythic 😂

jagged pier
#

i think mythic is 2 paltforms now

#

maybe 3

#

if u have the gear

ionic plank
#

1 platform mythic

#

we just send 1 tank 1 healer 3/4 dps on first platform

#

then come back and blast boss

jagged pier
#

u aint parsing that way tho

ionic plank
#

I was responding to the guy who says he doubts it works

#

obvs if you wanna parse you want to go up twice

jagged pier
#

nah u want to go up on the first one

#

and hope it dies quick

#

after u come down

ionic plank
#

would log exclude damage dealt to adds that didnt die

jagged pier
#

it does not

ionic plank
#

if not you go up to 2nd and pad and hope the boss dies before you do

jagged pier
#

theres a reason im R1 on dathea hc

ionic plank
stuck basin
#

does the self root from boon trinket counter the knockback or pull in on dathea?

ionic plank
#

yep

strong forum
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Boon cancels all movement

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Except lifegrip I think

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Not sure on that one

jagged pier
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u can transcendence it i think

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as monk

strong forum
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teleports work

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blink/transc/shadowstep

uneven mason
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I feel dirty, I'm enjoying playing the paladin for once because they're harder to play than warrior, but still slapper

strong forum
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nothing wrong with enjoying smth that requires more than 2 braincells to play

glass spear
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I think they did a good job with the tank gameplay, I'm enjoying all 6 tanks this expansion tbh

lime urchin
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You enjoy dudu?

jagged pier
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dudu right now

lime urchin
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I play as tonk alt too but sweet baby jesus, the talent tree is clunky and pressing the buttons is just meh. And scrollwheel ironfurring.

glass spear
lime urchin
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Ok ok, maybe I haven’t found the flow yet to enjoy it

tropic gorge
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Took me a hot minute, but I think I finally got a tank slot in my guild horray!

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Hooray*

amber siren
sick sentinel
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they now have A.I. steamed hams stream on twitch....

lean gale
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You guys play with SS and IP on 1 macro?

strong forum
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yes, but it doesnt replace your SS keybind

tropic gorge
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The pins have a ip ss macro to use

lean gale
strong forum
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no

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other way around

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its explained in the pins

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if you scroll a bit down

tropic gorge
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It uses ip first to avoid rage cap

sick sentinel
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why do we macro things together now after shadowlands and bfa

strong forum
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i came up with that macro during SL

lean gale
vocal nimbus
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what combo would you use in m+ between 415 whetstone, 408 dathea elemental and 421 kurog totem thing?

tropic gorge
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So nom, what did you parry streak for the parry God title?

sick sentinel
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cuz we never did this then, im pretty sure we kept telling ppl not to do it

strong forum
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whetstone + all totem

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boon is bait

strong forum
tropic gorge
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Meow meow

strong forum
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and voidslash in DF

lean gale
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holy shit i am so stupid. I missread it completely i thougt it would be SB (yes i typed SS and i am dumb after work :D)

sick sentinel
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void slash hit me for 130k yesterday we wiped twice, made it to final boss didnt get cleared, stuned into wall

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i have no idea how we wiped to void slash twice on a 15

tropic gorge
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I don't think bursting and greiv should be together. This week has been absolutely brutal to try to push

sick sentinel
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i saw that was the thing that killed me first time we pulled it in key

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grevious and sanguine are fucking evil affixes

tropic gorge
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I don't mind bursting (Im a dwarf), I like Tyr. I don't like greiv and burst together tho

sick sentinel
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alone they are evil

tropic gorge
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Sanguine is the "are you paying attention" check.
I love, absolutely love when an enemy turrets in sang

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Then dps starts yelling "move him tank wtf", and I'm standing at the next pack lmao

sick sentinel
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i just dunno how tf i wiped twice in a row to tyranical trash before boss 1 sbg

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and i still dont really have a good answer or aoluti9n how to handle that so it dossnt do it again

tropic gorge
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Sbg trash likes to hit me like a freight train sometimes

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Also, I crafted a shield. It's hot shit. Ran av, got that shield. I knew that would happen lol

sick sentinel
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just people here like yeah oh ya go pump some 20s yogi and then struggling in 15

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and just like.... .... ffs.....

tropic gorge
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I'm also just pushing into timing 15s

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This week made that extremely difficult. I only got 1 timed, academy at 15

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I don't usually look at future weekly affix, so hopefully next week will be a better push week. I'd like to time nok

sick sentinel
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volcanic sanguine

tropic gorge
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Easy. Volcanic for ranged, sanguine won't be super super bad hopefully

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Altho I can already forsee my rlp runs turning into a shit fest lol

sick sentinel
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volcanic is literal training mode

tropic gorge
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It's the idiot check. Are you watching your feet, or eye humping your meter

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Let's find out!

past magnet
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Anyone here good at makin macros ?

sick sentinel
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a bunch more circles to never stand in just like the 500 other fuckin swirlies in dungeon that kill you

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like wow

tropic gorge
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Lmao
There is a shit ton of area denial in this xpack

sick sentinel
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this is new and interesting and hard

tropic gorge
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Gotta admit I do kinda like it

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Trying to keep bosses or mobs in a good spot while dodging area denial left and right

sick sentinel
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i wouldnt mind to ses a totally new set of affixes

elfin atlas
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^^^

sick sentinel
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besides tyran8cal fort seasonal

tropic gorge
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I am surprised we didn't get anything new

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And any old stuff removed

sick sentinel
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those can all stay and the grpund the keys in reality

tropic gorge
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Maybe a 3rd main affix

sick sentinel
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if blizard fucks with or removes tyr fort ther will be hell balancing to pay

tropic gorge
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At least the one that buffs shit on death now has a timer, and I think bursting was nerfed some wasn't it?

modern relic
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just checking some mythic raza povs and i see a warri leaping 2 times, did i miss sth?

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how to leap 2times

amber siren
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evoker class talent

modern relic
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ahh time spiral, i see

sick sentinel
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bfa burst8ng...... i had a macro "too many bursting stacks, slow dps...." at 3-4 stacks, wait for 3rd tick and then pop rally to keep people alive....

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they are better now, but i will never forget the way it used to be

idle inlet
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why wait for the 3rd tick before rallying _

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you mean the 3rd application _

tropic gorge
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During an aa run I did, I used rally almost on cd to hell survive bursting

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Shit works like a charm, until It doesnt

sick sentinel
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i do not forgive, i do not forget when it comes to old janky poorly designed game mechanica

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eahch new "stack" of bursting ticked i think it was 4 or 5 times

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and so id apways rally if needed on after 3rd tick

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then everyone hp bit more, easier on healer, as prot warrior it was about all you could do in those times

ionic plank
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just get a priest okayge

sick sentinel
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it didntnwork lioe that

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needed to have paladin to remove it, or dps that would stop pushing buttons after 3 stacks

ionic plank
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or just... a priest

sick sentinel
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in bfa?

ionic plank
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you couldnt dispel it in bfa?

sick sentinel
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i was there i remember this so clearly

ionic plank
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I quit that expansion early sadge

sick sentinel
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i was one of the ones who loudly complained it should be dispellable

ionic plank
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ah I guess they changed it in SL, thought it was earlier

sick sentinel
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it didnt become dispellable till some time very close to sl

tropic gorge
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Yeah this is priest week. Which is odd because they have had it rough in m+

ionic plank
ionic plank
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shadow fucks

tropic gorge
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Yeah sp is super strong as always

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I don't see many in lfg

ionic plank
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I play fury on my warrior and spriest alt

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my warrior cant get invited to 20s at 2750 and 419 ilvl

sick sentinel
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i am usually a fan of of meta specs like dh dps and spriest

ionic plank
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my priest, 408/2500 score

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insta invite

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to every pug

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it's crazy

sick sentinel
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somebody that plays a dps dh or frost dk or sprisst or cat druid, givrs a shit way more than evoker healer #4939295942069

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is how i feel a bit

ionic plank
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I'm gonna be real, a lot of prot warriors have been absolutely atrocious this patch

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both in mindset and play

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just the curse of being a popular spec

tropic gorge
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Yeah that comes with fotm

ionic plank
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same with prevokers

sick sentinel
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if i had another more toins with decent transmog id play them

tropic gorge
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For every good one, you'll see a handful or bad ones

ionic plank
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just horrible people playing badly keksquad

sick sentinel
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but aunk fallacy cost affects me loke someone said the otger day

tropic gorge
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For every God mode evoker I've met, I've probably ran into half a dozen bad or middle of the road ones

ionic plank
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real

tropic gorge
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For evoker healers, in my pug experience they either never let anyone take dmg, or the total opposite

ionic plank
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honestly it's the same with resto druids rn

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hov 20 last night, the healer couldnt keep us up on dog boss

sick sentinel
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i dont qant to quit warrior cuz i dont have the non plate transmogs, i dont main as dps,

ionic plank
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between swipes

sick sentinel
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thats kinda truth

tropic gorge
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I've always thought of druid as an easy class to play. I usually see decently performing druids, and very seldom one that outright sucks

sick sentinel
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cuz its well, waht if im equally as shit at rogue or priest say

tropic gorge
ionic plank
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embrace the fun of the spec

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if you play druid or evoker you dont even have to see what you're wearing okayge

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even shadow priest to an extent

ionic plank
tropic gorge
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The first boss in hov wrecks my shit. I go left first and do that boss. I save my Dr cd for the beam kick, even with SW running, that thing chunks my hp severely

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Demo and last stand does okay ish with the deeper hp pool, but still fucks me up

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Oh, I think my next hov run I'll try d stance for that boss. I've been in perma battle stance lol

royal rune
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should we take intervene?

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i feel like high level tyrannical its useful?

hazy sluice
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On Fenryr it is fun. The rest i don't take it

dry kayak
tropic gorge
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Ooo a stance dance

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Good er idea

sick sentinel
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the breat does hurt

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and its wider than it looks

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you can avoid it prety easily though

royal rune
#

is there a WA or addon that gives me info for my party cooldowns?

wispy canopy
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omnicd

royal rune
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ty

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can we still use push on belt?

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personal space amp?

sick sentinel
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someone asked this the other day n i think your talking about the thing fron BFA

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my assumption is no, but test it out i gues

brittle silo
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Bizzy is using that on his belt so I'd say you can

distant crystal
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yeah it works

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prob the most useful belt tinker

modest grove
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The closest i got is 27k in 5min with 411ilvl

left beacon
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My damage seems a bit rough at times and definitely can lose that snap aggro at the start of fights, i heal much more than dps so a lot of this could be attributed to me just not playing very much. I also feel like i play very defensively maybe using too much rage on ignore pain

slim dove
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should never lose aggro at start

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press your buttons

left beacon
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well clearly

uneven mason
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We're stupidly bursty

left beacon
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its not like i lose aggro at the start, just some people go ham

uneven mason
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Like our cd stack makes DPS jealous

slim dove
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i burst 110k on pull in raids

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🤷

left beacon
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single target?

slim dove
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yes

left beacon
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how is that possible?

uneven mason
slim dove
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combat pot

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uh

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just press buttons bro idk

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this spec is so simple and boring

left beacon
#

just ravager roar and shield charge out the gate

slim dove
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charge + avatar > ravagar > demo > roar > shield charge > regular rotation

uneven mason
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Avatar Demo shout

left beacon
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i seee

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its more about m+

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like tree boss adds burst up

uneven mason
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Big win for pressing IP 4x and getting a outrage SS

slim dove
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save a cd for each uproot

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they do not have an aggro table when in the ground/inactive.

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shocking disclosure pot helps a ton also.

uneven mason
left beacon
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yea its honestly not a big deal, just feel like my damage maybe a bit lacking

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i think i need to know when to stay in battle stance more

slim dove
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always

uneven mason
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Like literally that boss is cancer when you have people who can't stack for literally 4s

slim dove
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only def stance for tankbuster hits.

uneven mason
left beacon
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i see

hardy snow
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Treat def stance as additional defensive CD

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that just needs to be turned off after usage

uneven mason
left beacon
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i only pug so i tend to lean more on the safe side

uneven mason
left beacon
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I mean i get that but u know what i mean

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i also am figure this out through the tank pov, so still figure out the times for defensives

uneven mason
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At baseline we reduce damage by like 75%