? you want to cleave them
#protection
slim dove
sick sentinel
probably get another 500 ish through upgrading remaning gear, maybe 250 300 better estimate
toxic pewter
Yogi when u gonna start doin 20s and just gettin 405 gear to upgrade
I guess you’re almost fully upgraded soon anyway though
sick sentinel
nahhh if i wanted to completely valor its, well, its alot of runs lol
maybe some time
toxic pewter
What is max ilvl u can upgrade at the moment
sick sentinel
411 still been at just under 2100 for a week or 2
toxic pewter
411 not bad
mighty valley
bfa had good raids after uldir
uldir wasn't all that bad, just not my vibe
legion had so many early frustrations that people kind of forget now
you wanna offspec? cool, enjoy your weeks behind weapon and no relevant legendary (if you were even lucky enough to get one for your main spec)
and the first raid was a joke
mighty valley
yeah, i just don't think anyone is looking at bfa through rose colored glasses
bfa is commonly accepted as "expansion bad"
where now legion has become "the good days"
median tulip
The function of Shadowlands was to make BfA look better by comparison.
mighty valley
even corruptions ended up in a pretty cool place after a sketchy initial acquisition period
mighty valley
i had a great time in shadowlands, haters be damned
median tulip
Nathria was good (but Season 1 Mythic+ sucked ass)
Sanctum of Domination sucked and Mythic+ was... better than Season 1
SotFO sucked but Mythic+ was good
Season 4 was just weird (but Nathria was still good)
mighty valley
sanctum is let down by a few real bad fights but the middle section is quality
i thought sofo was great
median tulip
Tho TBH I quit for most of Season 4. I was just done with the expansion
mighty valley
in a few years i'm gonna remember sanctum as "the one with painsmith" and be happy about it
median tulip
It wasn't really the fights I disliked in SoD; it was the walking. I get that they wanted to make an epic-scale Raid, but it just endded up being 9 million miles of walking, and then ended up with a final boss that was another 9 million miles of walking
That fucking Bridge after The Nine...
mighty valley
sylvanas was a pretty great fight to one-shot on normal and... bad for most anything else
median tulip
"Here's 3 minutes of walking. Great content, huh?"
mighty valley
3 minutes is a pretty big exaggeration lol
but i get what you're saying, that just doesn't bother me in my guild, we just goof off in downtime and it's fine
median tulip
And SoD looked especially bad for walking when compared to Nathria, which managed to be a well-sized raid yet be quick to get around once cleared, thank to the mirrors
mighty valley
honestly my biggest strike against 9.1 is that everything was just grey
median tulip
Yeah, true
mighty valley
i get the aesthetic they were going for but it was too much, and an especially bad one for a long content drought patch
median tulip
Season 3 M+ was a lot better because Tazavesh really lived things up
I adored Streets of Wonder
Great Dungeon
mighty valley
man, day 1 hard mode tazavesh was a 9.1 highlight
sick sentinel
return oif mechagon was pog
mighty valley
my guild divided into three squads and raced blind, it was great
median tulip
I did Tazavesh Hard mode for the mount and didn't go back until S3
median tulip
return oif mechagon was pog
Yeah that was fun
mighty valley
oh i did it quite a lot, was good for class stacking for alt gearing
mighty valley
ubrs maybe, lbrs no
median tulip
I think they've said that MoP is as far back as they are comfortable going for future M+ recalled dungeons
mighty valley
yeah, the level of rework needed starts to negate the point
even TJS is really weak in terms of clarity and visibility of mechanics
sick sentinel
how could they not do the cata dungeons
sick sentinel
forge master with the 3 different weapon stances? anyone remember him pre nerf?
mighty valley
vortex pinnacle and one of the boring looking fire ones
grim batol would need to rethink the bombing run a bit but otherwise solid
median tulip
TBH a return of the elemental-themed ones would make sense for a season
sick sentinel
grim batol fits the dragon theme
median tulip
Stonecore, Vortex Pinnacle, Throne of Tides
sick sentinel
pre nerf stone core was horrible
mighty valley
ugh not a fan of stonecore or throne
sick sentinel
i remember every boss being over tuned
mighty valley
and halls of origination is on my Absolutely Not list
pallid quiver
Pace wise, TolVir would be nice to see again
sick sentinel
and god fuck that spy part, hes not a spy he goes and gets more help
yeah, some of that with sanguine, lets see how it goes okay
median tulip
I really hope they rework the affixes. The affix system is showing its age
sick sentinel
end time would work because last boss is a giant dragon and its about murazond thing
median tulip
End Time is a fucking awful Dungeon
median tulip
Its only redeeming feature was getting to stab Tyrande
slim dove
and the first raid was a joke
the egos crushed in mythic nighthold was hilarious
sick sentinel
you can multiple lust on the final boss
slim dove
so many apps with CE EN thinking I gave a fuck about it
sick sentinel
and all your CD's are reset, whats more fun than that for dps player
mighty valley
I wonder, would spear of bastion help me pad on primal council
this one's pretty easy to sim since it's just consistent 4 targets, your average kill time
round pendant
man, I had like a 99th percentile dps
until half the group died and it took forever to finish the last couple off
:(
wary pasture
Thats prolly what im gonna run
cinder storm
This week is slow in wow, I'm playing death stranding and Metroid prime and diablo
No keys no game
mighty valley
death stranding has the best walking in video games
primo walking mechanics
not even remotely joking
cinder storm
I'm in chapter 3, is there a media player of sorts to replay music? It's a cool cozy feeling when you are heading into a new area and boom, new song
mighty valley
I don't remember, it's been years
cinder storm
Fair
It's been sitting so long in my library and I recently decided to give it a try again
mighty valley
I didn't quite finish it because my ps4 suddenly exploded
and then the real pandemic happened and it took a while to replace
I should go back one day
cinder storm
I got the regular one on steam and recently got the directors cut on PS5, the controllers add a bit of depth to the game
cinder storm
Hmm
mighty valley
barely any of us use the talent tbh
astral thorn
I think it's a good insurance... no?
cinder storm
It's not
urban portal
its too buggy
mortal brook
Unreliable
astral thorn
80% less dmg taken and healing done x2 for 8 sec don't sound bad?
mighty valley
if you can find a good weakaura you'll notice it pops at really irrelevant times though
astral thorn
that one doesn't work...
warm plinth
round pendant
Aight finally fixed my parses for heroic
Never going back to raz again
Feels good man
Not all 99s tho 
sick sentinel
transmog is the end game before the real end game of doing 99 parse
jaunty seal
Best timewalking xpac to dungeon spam as tank?
undone verge
Best timewalking xpac to dungeon spam as tank?
I usually start off with bc cause the dungeon quests are super big xp, then I move on to WoD after
you can get 4 lvls off rip if you get the right BC dungeon
jaunty seal
all the quests are inside?
red plank
any tips for the panda boss on higher keys? The healing absorb hit just wrecks me on tyranical weeks
queen canopy
"-TJS 3rd boss - You can Spell Reflect the fire phase kick. For the Jade phase, use SW/SR/Spell Block/DS + IP to mitigate initial hit, followed by IV/LS/Healthpot to help reduce healing absorb. If you cast Spell Block just before the kick lands, you can cover 2 kicks with it.If possible ask your DPS'ers to keep CD's for the second phase."
from pinned
undone verge
all the quests are inside?
yes
median tulip
Best timewalking xpac to dungeon spam as tank?
Legion for the transmogs, BfA for the quickest queues
With the caveat that in BfA you stand the highest chance of getting complete newbies ofc
mighty valley
classic dungeons mostly go very fast and have quests inside for first time completion
urban portal
wouldnt shadowlands have the most noobs
shadowlands got the GOAT dungs tho
halls and NW both takes like 10 minutes
except NW has stitchflesh
toxic pewter
I usually do classic
Honestly would like them to open up literally every dungeon to random queue. I know a lot of people have requested it
mighty valley
wouldnt shadowlands have the most noobs
new accounts still get shoved into BFA
quaint trout
Hey all , new prot warrior here. What weapon should i be going for primarily a M+ player? got the cutlass atm from algethar
warm plinth
Doesn't matter. Ilevel is what matters on weapon/shield, not stats.
quaint trout
ok sweet
stuck basin
the strike twice sword from nokhud has some free bonus dmg if you have the choice between same ilvl its bit ahead
shell coral
what flasks and food and pots do prot wars use ?
valid oar
What is your average impending victory overall heal?
I have like >80% on IP and SB but I somehow do not pump crazier heal numbers in 16-18s (15-17k hps overall)
I might missuse impending victory
lofty widget
hps is pretty pointless
your blocked hits may be a bit low if you only have 80 % SB uptime tho
timber terrace
You can increase your hps by not pressing shield block
mental scarab
wispy canopy
what flasks and food and pots do prot wars use ?
Tepid vers or eye in the storm for flask, fated fortune cookie for food
high basalt
Sorry guys new to warrior whats Iv,ds,Ty 😎
warm plinth
Impending Victory and Demoralizing Shout
quaint trout
I've just crafted the frostfire belt , should I go for lariat next?
warm plinth
If you haven't made shield/sword or have them at high ilevel already, they should be your first two crafts.
quaint trout
ahh crap, well i had a 382 sword drop from M+ so thought id make the belt first as i only had a ilvl340 belt
guess i could craft a shield then
lilac jay
<@179993058186625025> Howling Rune or Whetstone?
Or?
shell mortar
Primal Whetstone
AP weapon enchant
Vs Haste weapon enchant
The non-permanent one
lilac jay
Haste
topaz leaf
Can anyone link a good route for AV 20? Not sure what people are pulling in there.
oak echo
https://keystone.guru/sn0L4jA this is what i do - you can trade out the 2 elementals before the ring with the 2 guards in the back of 2nd boss room
cunning knot
Tip for grievous as prot?
oak echo
use IV
get a friend with a mage alt that can give you food before you start doing keys
slim dove
Tip for grievous as prot?
Understand the limitations of your healer, don't endlessly chain pull if you know they don't have the ability to top the party off instantly. Invite shadow priests.
enhance/feral/sp is the livelord dps comp this week
topaz leaf
https://keystone.guru/sn0L4jA this is what i do - you can trade out the 2 elemen...
not public
oak echo
oops - try again
topaz leaf
thank you. pull 3 and 4 I've messed up a few times. how do you not pull them both?
oak echo
for 3, just heroic throw one of the 3 lashers in the back and a lasher on the side then run back into the room with pull 2
then 4 you just do where it is
topaz leaf
oh so you don't trigger when they run through the whelplings?
oak echo
yeah nothing triggers those besides stepping in the circle or damaging them
oak echo
i personally do. you lose a lust otherwise and the 1st boss shouldn't really require it
sick sentinel
i think i calculated that it was 33 (rounded up) +200bonus-valor runs JUST for wrists and hands, but at least they are big haste
weary saddle
Qu: Does Bitter Immunity help remove Jade Serpent Strike at 3rd boss Temple?
sick sentinel
so i gave up inside and stopped running my keys lol, i dont REALLy want to run 50 +3 sbg's
oak echo
i think i calculated that it was 33 (rounded up) +200bonus-valor runs JUST for w...
what do you mean? like starting from an m0 item and fully upgrading?
sick sentinel
it might as well be
oak echo
it sounds like you're intentionally doing things the hard way lol
sick sentinel
like, 100 runs, and i could have EVERYTHING including a set of 2 2-hand weapons
to 411
slim dove
thats more keys then i've ran all season
sick sentinel
i mostly run medium, low, and baby keys
ill get on 16's some point, i just cant be fuckin arsed with shit like COS and tyranical TJS boss 3 debuff
i hate cos, hov is cooli think theres a certain line wiith wow difficulties and it just crosses right over into masochism for the average wow player, and then they quit, thats how it is in other video games for me. "nope, its too hard i got my ass beat and only killed 1 guy, screw that"
paper nexus
Cos so free tho
slim dove
cos is fun
lots of room to make up time and do big pulls, basically all dmg is avoidable
my 22 cos i was arms and we got crit + haste buff 
uneven ice
The only thing i HATE of CoS are the trees
God, i cant barely see anything sometimes
CoS needs gardening ASAP
round pendant
ill get on 16's some point, i just cant be fuckin arsed with shit like COS and t...
bro 16s aren't much harder than 15, just do them and upgrade your crafted gear
sick sentinel
so, third boss in TJS, jade phase. I spell block 1st, shield wall 2nd, last stand third. What do you do for the next few? I find myself biting thee dust far too often theere
dusky canopy
CoS sucks ass if your group doesn’t know most of the tricks in there
That being said if you do know all the cool tricks in there the key is blazing fast and very easy
uneven ice
Anywhere to look for the cool tricks?
sick sentinel
There's a very handy weak aura as well, that prints out what it does and who can use any of the items once you mouseover them
dry kayak
On a tjs pug I will usually talk with the healer before the key starts to lay out a cd rotation for each one so super strong cds don’t get overlapped
viral elk
so, third boss in TJS, jade phase. I spell block 1st, shield wall 2nd, last stan...
Ideally there's not more after the first three. Double shield wall is nice for this boss.
Health pot
Impending victory
cloud umbra
so, third boss in TJS, jade phase. I spell block 1st, shield wall 2nd, last stan...
You have more than just those 3. Spell reflect every other . Demo 1 and 4.. last stand and rally after the hit to help heal the debuff… spell block lasts for 2 hits. Health pot. IV every other
Also use wall on first instead of spell block, so you can build your wall back up for later. So wall first spell block 2+3 wall 4. Pair each up with demo or spell reflect or iv heals
Goes without saying . swap to d stance for each hit
solar shadow
20 cos at 393 item level success
we are blasting
warrior legends, I main a healer and you fine brown tanks are the only guys I struggle to heal on Jade Phase of TJS. These are 23-24 keys, what are the secrets? How can I chat with my tank to help them live
Seems like Battle Scarred Vet would be super strong there?
lofty widget
BSV is bugged, and yea we dont heal much outside IV and LS so healer has to do the majority
best you can do is coordinate when to use externals/personals
so you dont overlap
solar shadow
I know one thing I do on my warrior is just straight up jump away to give the healer an extra global or so
but im running like 18-20s on my prot so its a different story
if we get like, 5 jade st rikes it seems pretty GG for the warrior in most cases
3 very manageable, 4th gets kinda sus, 5th is usually death
lofty widget
you will have SW back for the 4th/5th, if your tank runs spell block as well that covers 2+3
then IV+LS+healthpot/lockstone for the last one
realistically it's not that bad
solar shadow
ive healed some warriors where it feels super fine and easy, and others where im panicing every single strike
i basically do the same thing as heals no matter the tank
lofty widget
most likely player issue rather than class issue
solar shadow
tbf comparitvely warriors are much, much harder to heal thru that boss
but i dont disagre that they should be fine in most cases
assuming they are playing well/coordinated
cloud umbra
Yeah it’s fine for me and the healer at the 23 level.. but we are in discord and I properly dr every hit
solar shadow
really looking for any tips or tricks I can say to my warrior tank, talent changes, etc
cloud umbra
Look at what I typed above. Have him do a text weakaura that plans out 5-6 hits
Using healer cds as well
solar shadow
yeah if I can coordinate my external (i'm evoker) with theirs to guarantee DR it's usually fine
solar shadow
You have more than just those 3. Spell reflect every other . Demo 1 and 4.. last...
ah i see
cloud umbra
Yeah you can dilate first and 5th I believe
And have him set up his cds around that. Always pair up 2 things
south zealot
dk can probably solo that boss
solar shadow
however, they get rekt by Dark claw 😄
south zealot
however, they get rekt by Dark claw 😄
true, they have to range most of the casts or die
solar shadow
running max range from boss during jade i think is undervalued too
from a healer POV it makes a huge difference
its frequently 2 extra globals before the boss starts meleeing you
cloud umbra
Idk if it’s worth to not be generating rage .. i usually just charge right back in and go ham
cinder storm
You can give your healer a few secs before you charge, but I've noticed the lines come out all over the place when I do that, they tend to be semi consistent if I charge
You can also have a DH taunt and meld, a feral once told me they could take one hit but I said I was fine
cloud umbra
Dh is meta. You can meta mid air time the hit and it’ll zero it out. But kinda cuck to hold meta haha
lofty widget
meld works too
cloud umbra
Yea if anyone had it
solar shadow
just tanked sennarth heroic, other tank whispers me "have u done this fight? ok good, taunt at 5 stacks"
i start on boss
i hit 30 stacks
screaming in say chat for a taunt the en tire time
lolololol
cinder storm
"I said you taunt, I didn't say anything about taunting back 
"
How good is having AG for third boss temple? I've heard it can top off a tank
cloud umbra
It can almost 1 shot heal the debuff
cinder storm
Nice
solar shadow
whats AG 😄
cloud umbra
Had one say he’s gunna lose about 10k dps but did some shaman magic to pump a fat surge into each jade
cinder storm
Haha, better than potentially bricking the key
cinder storm
whats AG 😄
Ancestral guidance
weary saddle
i can survive 4 x jade serpent strikes but i will die on the 5th
that is talented with double wall, BSV and Shield Block
solar shadow
i learned some crazy tech for bird boss as evoker healer
you can dispel like 9 bleeds per boss encounter
cloud umbra
Bsv is bugged. Double wall really isn’t amazing for that dung since you can get it up twice for that fight already. Look at the pins, you gotta plan out 5-6 hits for higher keys
Yeah with stasis cauterize right?
cloud umbra
Yeah I heard of it, told our evoker and it changed that fight for us big time haha
Plus I’m dwarf so I can get 2 myself
cinder storm
Many stasis combos were discussed early on the season but people started arguing it would be very situational
solar shadow
have had no issues without it until about 23-24 keys
so the trick here isnt really the combo but its that cauterizing flame will reset its CD if one of the stasis'd cauts fails to dispel
so you stasis two of them on the tank, use it to dispel one bleed, the 2nd one resets teh CD
cinder storm
That's really nice, not having to worry about bleed for most of the screeches
cinder storm
An 18 is not a big key, if you are dying there is because of the healer
You can sit def stance if you want during jade phases
distant crystal
any key is a big key if your group's gear is low enough 😄
cinder storm
any key is a big key if your group's gear is low enough 😄
True
blazing condor
i cannot do this. i always die in 5th jade serpent strike
make sure you dont hit last stand before the debuff
since it increases heal absorb
cinder storm
But if they are not close to 413 with valor uncapped on their mains idk
distant crystal
make sure you dont hit last stand before the debuff
pressing it after should eat some of the absorb right?
blazing condor
yeah
distant crystal
double dippin
weary saddle
you mean last stand makes the debuff worse if pressed too early?
cinder storm
Yeah
blazing condor
jade serp strike is a heal absorb
how to beat it? heals
last stand heals you
so you use it after the hit
distant crystal
oh ok it's not actually making the initial absorb bigger though
doesn't appear to be based on max hp at least from dungeon guide
weary saddle
if u press LS before the hit, then there is no healing
blazing condor
i dont think the strike is %based
distant crystal
but yeah you're just denying yourself a big chunk of healing into the absorb
i just remember weekly no leavering a 20 tyr in the early weeks and our arms warrior playing prot was in there just flopping
we pulled that boss like 8 times
cinder storm
I always forget to channel a bit the zandalari racial to heal a bit
distant crystal
we were all guild and our healer and tank were getting spicy on that fight lol
forest fern
Make sure you’re also on the same side of the room as healer, the run out could potentially out range you from each for a short time
cinder storm
Make sure you’re also on the same side of the room as healer, the run out could ...
This is actually super important
distant crystal
the boss always fires one of the waves where the tank was right
cinder storm
That fight is entirely tank/healer fight, brood keeper healer ring helps too, that trinket ticks super fast
distant crystal
and then like 90 degrees off from the previous for the rest?
or is it offset from where the tank was?
cinder storm
I have zero idea, I just know if I charge, I get inside her hitboxx, then she repositions herself and the rest of the fight can get chaotic
slim dove
Many stasis combos were discussed early on the season but people started arguing...
stasis is the strongest CD in the game and i fucking love it
timber wasp
Hey guys real quick one
Storm eaters boon
Worth taking as prot?
Wait nvm it rolled offspec
sand mason
Ive become so fatigued by the pug cultural in M+. I'm doing 23/24 and I sit in LFG for 80% of my play time and rarely, if ever, run a second key with a group.
The M+ community discords haven't been fruitful for me as I find most people aren't in this range. Im considering just joining the Evoker, Rogue, etc. discords and trying to recruit players feel the same from their respective class discords but thats edging on being cringe lol.
Does anyone have solid advice for finding players in this range that want to push? I have plenty of people on bnet, but everyone is ~50 IO above or below my spot and seemingly doesn't want to run keys that aren't score which is becoming difficult...
glass iron
can you play battle stance on non fort weeks
sand mason
can you play battle stance on non fort weeks
I sit bstance 95% of the time. I pop defensive stance on specific occasions where I need a DR.
- Crawth peck/bleed
- Vex frontal
- Doing a insane quadruple pull with SW/LS on CD
- etc
glass iron
cheers
cinder storm
Ive become so fatigued by the pug cultural in M+. I'm doing 23/24 and I sit in L...
Good luck finding players who share the same ideal, most people I've found either a) think they are too good to be with me b) don't dps good enough to be on that key level and c) they simply prefer to pug keys.
C being the more predominant one, people don't like to feel attach to other players nor the commitment to work together. For a person to successfully run high keys you need people with the correct mindset, good players who understand things will happen, keys will deplete, and practice makes perfect
I don't know if the younger generation of players is different, or if pugs are too scared to ask. I personally don't mind depleting and trying new things but you always get players who will sigh, or leave or nag at the smallest things
sand mason
C is also my experience... Im so surprised with how the community has gone anti-discord. Back in BFA and into early SL I feel like even 15s people would group up in discord and we'd make friends and groups and keep pushing. I feel like I'm playing with NPCs who just disband after the first wipe and dont want to join a discord or take bnet friends, instead of fixing the broken key, learning, and continuing to push.
Im currently lurking the raider.io recruitment page and directly messaging people trying to put together a team D: Pray for me lol
A & B is also a big problem. I cant get score because I dont get a chance to get a lock in keys so I cant play with good players (who in turn dont want to play with me) so im relegated to playing with players 200 io below me who are progging keys that arent score for me (and I suppose im apart of the same im problem im experiencing from A lol)
cinder storm
Something I've done in the past is opening lfg and writing a note something like x.xxx tank looking for a push group. Some people take notice, I just alt tab and go back to check messages and people
sand mason
Something I've done in the past is opening lfg and writing a note something like...
this is an angle for sure
cinder storm
That's why for me 3k is my goal, only 60 pts away, with the little time I got to invest and playing with a disc duo I think that's a fair score
I ve gone from "I want to compete and show I'm good" to "I know I'm good so why compete" type of mindset
slim dove
i hit 2800 and gave up
cinder storm
Of course far from being a sense or a Nome but better than your regular fotm at least 
slim dove
spend all day burning keys with randoms that leave on first wipe
play arms, get 0 invites cuz mEtA
sand mason
Im 3033 and so close to title. Im like 8 timed keys away lol
stoic rover
I got told no to an 18 last night cause “arms didn’t have stun”
cinder storm
I have a few peeps on my friend list who I helped get to 2800 from a low score, they dipped and now are close to 3.1k but they pug all day
spring thunder
Just want to make sure I understand the pins correctly in regards to RLP and Crawth. I want SB up for the initial hit.. eg..."Peck"...... and THEN SW, etc etc. correct? I feel like I'm gonna panic and hit it for the initial hit lol
spring thunder
Ok ty...that's what I was thinking too
cinder storm
I'll just wait for the next two "push weeks" and call it a season, probably will work on gearing my mage or a prot pala
spring thunder
gud idea to wall the initial hit
Peck gets progressively harder correct? Is it pretty much one per screech?
forest coral
does demo shout increase the dmg of whetstone
slim dove
does demo shout increase the dmg of whetstone
No
slim dove
I'll just wait for the next two "push weeks" and call it a season, probably will...
prevoker meng
cinder storm
Peck gets progressively harder correct? Is it pretty much one per screech?
it gets harder because screeches also hit harder
slim dove
fun shit
forest coral
i swear when i look at logs there seems to be some interaction with a dmg bonus
spring thunder
I'll just wait for the next two "push weeks" and call it a season, probably will...
What are considered the next two push weeks?
cinder storm
What are considered the next two push weeks?
I would say next two weeks are push week, volcanic is a non affix and sanguine can be managed by correct positioning, kiting and some classes
slim dove
What are considered the next two push weeks?
sanguine/volc for sure.
cinder storm
then after tyr with raging and storming, storming is also a non affix for the most part
slim dove
its raging storming fort or tyr?
cinder storm
tyr
cinder storm
Yeah, it's pretty chill imo, I was running fort raging with one soothe and it was awful
cinder storm
I gotta say, when you do the hyrja swap perfectly you know people either think you are a godtank or don't know what happened but roll with it, and it's an awesome feeling to get it right
fallen lichen
Had 0 trinketdrops in raiding, I have pretty much all m+ trinkets though, which ones would you advice besides my 421 whetstone? Can upgrade any to 415
cinder storm
I like to have a one on-use only
cinder storm
I would say sim it, I'd go with toe or hoof
fallen lichen
That’s a double on use though
cinder storm
whetstone + hunger
this is what I run, 415 whets, 421 hunger
cinder storm
Do you run with a set grp of people?
echo egret
What can a tank do to help his pug group on 2nd boss of NO ? Or just "nothing, it's on them"
echo egret
But it doesn't help them survive ?
keen meteor
Does anyone know if you can create a macro or cast sequence for charge and shield charge?
cinder storm
But it doesn't help them survive ?
You can tell people to not fight healer for orbs
echo egret
You can tell people to not fight healer for orbs
You mean "assume they don't know tactics" ? 😉
cinder storm
Yes
People tend to sit on a fixed position near melee nowadays and healer usually roams outer ring until the healer has necessary stacks, plus its a waste of time to lose dps to chase orbs when they tend to come to you
vale ravine
when did spitefull storm trinket get that good for prot warrior
solemn current
Only good if things can live a long time. Pretty sure you have to be hitting the same target too no?
vale ravine
ah ok
strong forum
Only good if things can live a long time. Pretty sure you have to be hitting the...
doesnt matter which target you hit
the stacking effect has actually no benefit
it loses as much procrate as it gains in extra dmg done
so its a net 0
unless that has been changed since i last tested it
solemn current
Ah I know when I tried it earlier in the expansion start the thing did 0 damage. It was my understanding that the problem was it needed to be single target and the mob had to live for at least several minutes for it to do anything worthwhile. Could be wrong though.
strong forum
hm
solemn current
Like you could fight other targets it just wouldn’t buff the stacks on the original target
strong forum
from checking logs it does appear to only be strong on super long fights
solemn current
Weird trinket though I’ve avoided it since. Would maybe use a mythic one on raz or something 🤣
solemn current
Really should’ve been tuned different to something more consistent in performance with it being an end boss trinket and all that
solemn current
Cap to the stacks maybe? Or lucky rng?
strong forum
yeah okay so, it looks like the trinket is static afterall
every log i check, it does around 3.6k dps
even when i check only p3 rasza
its 3.6k dps
solemn current
To be fair I haven’t put much time or thought into the trinket after it initially seeing how dog it was. That even in short fights?
strong forum
for this DK over 6:30 it did only 2.4k dps
cuz it was heroic vs mythic item, ic
yeah so my inital statement is correct, the dmg of it ramps up, but the proc rate gets reduced at an equal rate as it gains dmg
so theres no need for it to stack up to become good
solemn current
Even 2.4K seems like an ok amount but it definitely did no where near that when I tried earlier in the xpac. Could’ve maybe been buffed or changed in its consistency since
solemn current
Thing was doing like 1% of my damage when I tried it
Good to know though thanks. Maybe I need to pull it out again and give it a try.
sick sentinel
mastery boys are everywhere
toxic pewter
That me
strong forum
friend of mine did 78 CoS runs
just to get ring
loads and loads of trade runs with friends
sick sentinel
do it
trim bay
kk
sick sentinel
you wont do it
sick sentinel
i jk but yeh
trim bay
always in vault as well
tropic gorge
Can't even give necks away lol. Ez vender loot
sick sentinel
i gotta farm like, 7k valor before 2h fury weapons that are 1k per tap
when it costs 750 to do a 1h and shield sdfjksdfj sdkfjkxzcnvcxmzkjnv wtf blizz
trim bay
its their way of saying
wild kayak
hello friends - what recommended talent page for crawth at 22? that thing is fucking DESTROYING me
trim bay
dont change spec
sick sentinel
1,000 god damn valor lol
trim bay
i havent changed out of prot all xpac
tropic gorge
I haven't yet either
south zealot
prot 
hazy sluice
is ice cutter a frontal?
strong forum
No, but you can outrange it
hazy sluice
ok thx. needed to prove my healer wrong 😄
slim dove
hello friends - what recommended talent page for crawth at 22? that thing is fuc...
Prevoker healer with stasis tech.
cinder storm
That and pins
slim dove
Fr prevoker makes it a joke
With dwarf you ignore the first 7 pecks or some shit
Dwarf pally you get 2 more outs with bop/bubble
wild kayak
i do the defensive management fine
just feels like at some point im out of buttons
and im vibing at 40% for 6 seconds
fallow beacon
being fed PIs in keys in pretty fun
fallow beacon
was a cheeky carry for some alts
hazy sluice
consuming stomp, does it proximity dmg?
sick sentinel
i got a better ilvl version of those bracers i was going to upgrade, sbg free AF anyways so might get one that has a socket if i continue using that dungeon to farm valor
Can anyone confirm the hyrja desynch still works?
blazing condor
saw it a few days ago
fresh igloo
The timing to do it at the pull properly is super tight but yeah it's possible.
rain adder
No, but you can outrange it
Can you outrange the big one (patrol) as well? I feel like I eat it anyway even if I’m far away
south zealot
Can you outrange the big one (patrol) as well? I feel like I eat it anyway even ...
i think you can but it’s like 20 yards iirc
bold merlin
Can you outrange the big one (patrol) as well? I feel like I eat it anyway even ...
tes
yes
i use the first cast as a good time to pull the next pat
just leap away
rain adder
Aight thanks. I feel like I can save a lot of time here pulling bigger but that big guy scares me
bold merlin
its only really the breath that hurts
void skiff
Is whelp shell useful if trained correctly for us and if so what training is best
tiny trellis
being fed PIs in keys in pretty fun
how is your dps so high
strong forum
Just pressing buttons + pi
ember sinew
Is there a certain verse percentage we are wanting to be at or around
tropic gorge
time to craft myself a beltwoo woo
tiny trellis
what's PI
sick sentinel
power infusion priest + haste
amber siren
Is whelp shell useful if trained correctly for us and if so what training is bes...
Not amazing, if it's the best you have train it for fire shot (ST)
sick sentinel
gives a fuck load of haste on a cd TLDR
priest can put it on who ever they want to
strong forum
It's a 2min cd which grants somebody 25% haste for 20seconds
tropic gorge
mini heroism
sick sentinel
i'd get chewed out if i said what i thought it was
cuz i would say 15 seconds instead of 20, and then "yogi misinformation"
mystic sleet
Hey Guys, whats the trade of between buttering RAM and Thunderlord?
mystic sleet
Rly? Insteat of more uptime on demobuff okay^^
strong forum
You'll desync CDs from Demo shout
strong forum
And just buff thin air by 20%
strong forum
And TL is borderline useless on single target
Whereas battering ram is a good like 1.5k dps gain on ST
fallow beacon
how is your dps so high
pi during avatar in aoe is pretty gud
pallid quiver
Andy does 27s with like 10% vers
My favorite thing about the vers question is how the key level has just been creeping up slowly as people push higher keys
round pendant
Honestly I gotta admit
I don't really know what I'm doing
and still get fat dps because prot warrior is ezpz
damn, 200th on heroic raz
not great, not bad
pallid quiver
It really is just press your buttons to get some baseline damage
a
lot
of people just straight ass don't press buttons
round pendant
Started paying attention to Violent Outburst though
feels fuckin good to hit 300-400k with shield slam
pallid quiver
yeah that poops your damage up by a good ass margin
Like the three things to achieve damage are:
- Press buttons
- Use CDs on CD
- Use Outburst on SS
brittle minnow
south zealot
and still get fat dps because prot warrior is ezpz
most raid tanks dont know wtf theyre doing when dpsing
mystic sleet
another question, RLP scnd boss: does the bolder roll to the player with the most distance?
round pendant
most raid tanks dont know wtf theyre doing when dpsing
Raiding is weird because if you're not dpsing then wtf are you doing?
It's not hard to not die, you simply pop defensives when needed which is like 2-3x a minute lmao
south zealot
just not knowing how your class works
round pendant
So you just sit there for the rest of the time not pressing things?
south zealot
a lot of tanks just live and are in no danger of being replaced for their low damage
also a lot of new pwars sit dstance 100% of the time and lose a lot of damage
round pendant
Yeah I just don't understand how they end up like this
stoic rover
don’t like pugging tank cause you just pull threat constantly from the other guy and it’s boring to sit and not press anything
round pendant
I'd have to literally try to not do things to do as much damage as the cotanks I get in pugs
round pendant
don’t like pugging tank cause you just pull threat constantly from the other guy...
I absolutely refuse to not pump
If we wipe cause of it, I'll tell him to make sure to taunt if it's his turn and if he doesn't I'll just kick him and get a new tank
I'm still salty about getting yelled at by some druid tank for apparently taunting eranog when I shouldn't have been
Bruh, I was just pumping
south zealot
eranog is so easy to tank it doesn’t matter
slim dove
on raz I literally hit like 330k, 360k with wrecking throw and then like a 250k
when arms fatality hits during stormsurge + tom buff + cs overlap
round pendant
eranog is so easy to tank it doesn’t matter
Mythic eggnog, so if you fuck up the taunts you die (unless your healers are insane)
solar shadow
RLP 1st boss tips? I'm getting blasted by the frigid shards
im a bit undergeared but this seems insane
I'm reflecting and blocking as much as i cna
is shield block a waste of rage?
looks like she doesnt even melee
slim dove
spell block big but its really just a healer check.
save wall n shit for chillstorm overlap cuz healer is gonna be busy with group
cinder storm
RLP 1st boss tips? I'm getting blasted by the frigid shards
Don't go crazy spending rage on revenge, focus on using your generators and spacing your defs for when they are about to happen
Like sometimes she casts shards then stops and does chillstorm, you get a shard along with a chillstorm explosion but there's nothing really going on between one cast and the other
If you face chillstorm with spellblock you reduce it's dmg
round pendant
Anyone else notice they get giant fps drops when clicking?
I've noticed recently that when I click to move my camera, it jitters
realised that if I spam click while moving my mouse, my fps literally halves
sick sentinel
ill get that damn TJS haste ring
graceful cobalt
should i resocket to this or let it with versa/Haste sockets and the primäry+haste
south zealot
why not resocket if you can afford it
sullen cipher
RLP 1st boss tips? I'm getting blasted by the frigid shards
SR On Cd and defensive and other is healer problem xD
void skiff
I'm still salty about getting yelled at by some druid tank for apparently taunti...
I was pulling threat from warrior tanks on my dk when I blew cds and flaming them. 0 reason for it.
hardy snow
is shield block a waste of rage?
no, you cant block spells with spellblock if you dont have shield up, and it boosts your SS dmg, and yes, she does little bit of melee
void skiff
I absolutely refuse to not pump
Especially on pull when everyone is blowing CDs and there’s lust up everyone should be throwing as much damage as possible. By the time taunt swaps come out the damage should be past the peak and they can just spam taunt on cd if they’re not good enough at their rotation to hold threat imo. That’s a them problem not a your problem. 🤷🏼♂️
The only time imo that consideration for mid fight over threat was really an issue was Venth Paladin in SOD. Any time I popped wings regardless of other buffs, if the other tank wasn’t pumping I was ripping threat
warm plinth
Spamming taunt when there's a taunt swap sounds risky since you know, DR
mighty valley
you just make the burstiest tank go 1st and then there's almost never a problem
round pendant
Unless it's raz
There's still cotanks in pugs who are so bad they'll just forever lose threat
it's miserable
mighty valley
ok, let me amend
you just make the burstiest tank go 1st and then there's almost never a problem if both tanks aren't really bad
round pendant
How do I pad on eranog without getting touched by the lava when I'm TR-ing the adds
shit hurts
void skiff
Spamming taunt when there's a taunt swap sounds risky since you know, DR
It takes like 6 taunts in 20 seconds to go taunt immune. And even with reduced effectiveness, if ripping threat is enough of an issue the tank doing the higher threat won’t even need a fully effective taunt to reestablish solid aggro. It’s honestly a non issue, the DR on taunts doesn’t really become problematic unless you’re quick swapping between the 2 tanks at a rate to where you would hit the 6 taunts in 20 seconds cap and force the boss to go taunt immune
Pretty sure a dk is the only tank that could solo force the cap with deaths echo talented. Based on taunt CDs
warm plinth
It's not 6 taunts in 20 seconds though. It's 6 taunts in a row that are each within 20 seconds of the previous.
(and the 6th taunt would be immune, to be clear)
void skiff
With the cd on taunts. Plus the fact that the other tank would be resetting the window.
For most swaps when you account for the duration of time tanking the boss
warm plinth
The other tank would not be resetting the window. It's a taunt effect of any kind, not your specific taunt.
void skiff
Yes they would
Because swaps are longer than 20 seconds
So there wouldn’t be a swap for longer than 20 seconds
And the dr would reset.
Tank 1 only needs a singular taunt to establish their threat so after that taunt 20sec will go by and it will reset
warm plinth
In that specific event, yes. If you taunted and you had the boss for longer than 20 seconds, you would reset the taunt DR. But depending on how long the taunt swap is, you can easily cause the taunts to become immune over the course of an encounter. I've seen people in here asking about that specific scenario because their co-tank spams taunt due to not being able to hold aggro off of them. Whether it's likely or not isn't really the concern, but you shouldn't be telling people it's okay to just spam taunt on a raid encounter.
median tulip
Spamming taunt when there's a taunt swap sounds risky since you know, DR
The only time I have ever seen a boss go taunt immune was The Tarragrue
void skiff
Tank 2 can use extra taunts if needed to maintain threat, as long as they don’t push tank 1s next taunt to being the 6th taunt in a cycle
void skiff
In that specific event, yes. If you taunted and you had the boss for longer tha...
Sire and Tarrauge are the only ones in recent memory this happened on.
warm plinth
It's also a poor way to keep threat because the taunt window is shortened each time, which means if they can't hold aggro with a full taunt, it's increasingly likely that they're just going to have it instantly peeled off them again because they got no bonus threat.
It happened in the current raid to someone in this channel. He posted in here maybe a month ago.
void skiff
It's also a poor way to keep threat because the taunt window is shortened each t...
I dont disagree. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t something that can be used if you’ve exhausted every other option.
void skiff
It happened in the current raid to someone in this channel. He posted in here m...
Do you remember what boss it was? The only one I can think that it might happen is Council if they’re not swapping correctly
warm plinth
ngl I would yell at my co-tank if they were doing so poorly they couldn't hold aggro off me.
No I'm looking for it rn
slim dove
ngl I would yell at my co-tank if they were doing so poorly they couldn't hold a...
sure yell at them to play better
w/e
void skiff
proll just dont hamper ur raid for the sake of parsing
Ah yes, blame the tank who’s performing well not the one who’s performing so poorly they can’t keep threat
slim dove
no
shut up
dont continue to wipe your raid to basic dumbass tank mechs
because your co-tank is bad
nobody cares about your tank heroic parse
nobody
mighty valley
if you're literally wiping because of it and the quickest path to victory is reducing your personal output a little, sure
median tulip
The only time I've had issues was when my regular co-tank was away and we had someone offspeccing who was about 390 on HC bosses
They could survive fine, but holding aggro against my Shield Slams was an issue
void skiff
Bro is big mad rn.
median tulip
Monk "I have the boss"
Me: Crits
slim dove
Bro is big mad rn.
took you a while to type that up i see
void skiff
I was waiting to see how many more messages you would send
slim dove
void skiff
Was hoping it would fill my screen
median tulip
🍿
warm plinth
@void skiff looks like it was Kurog
void skiff
Failing to maintain threat isn't the fault of the tank ripping threat except in very specific cases. A failure to hold threat tho, on average, is a failure on that tanks part at playing their class to the standard they should be for the content they're attempting. If you're In mythic and you can't hold threat when it's your turn to tank, you shouldn't be tanking mythic. There's no one tank class that insanely more damage that you can't hold threat.
slim dove
Its your failure to adjust your play in the moment to compensate for the situation presenting itself 🙂
void skiff
Lol k
If you're doing your basic rotation and pulling threat. That's not you bud.
That them
void skiff
No because now you're stifling your resources by mismanaging your rotation to compensate for their failures.
The better solution us to go over logs with them and help them be better
Not make yourself worse
slim dove
Thats the solution after the raid/pull
My solution is for fixing the issue in the present pull
noble stratus
is it better to get the allied bracelets or the frostfire belt
slim dove
is it better to get the allied bracelets or the frostfire belt
belt if you have raid rings.
noble stratus
ah k
void skiff
Wish the helmet proceed off of our bleed bonuses. That would have been cool as an alternative to the belt.
void skiff
<@454348132319494146> looks like it was Kurog
Sundering strike debuff lasts 35 seconds....
That's very strange I would have thought council or eranog or maybe even senna. But kurog is odd
mighty valley
ok if this is mythic raiding i will agree that if you're ripping off someone after they've taunted once already they really gotta figure that out
spice barn
Hey! Probably often asked, but would I miss out on much if i macro my ignore pain to one of my other abilities. My prot warrior is an alt with which i wont be pursuing anything more challenging than 20s
spice barn
yes i saw the pin but it also warns to not use it as the regular SS button
so... would I be in trouble if i did?
spice barn
how so? not trying to be antagonizing, just to get better understanding
mighty valley
It would constantly drain you of rage if you macro'd it to other things
rage management is like, the entire spec
and you want to do it intentionally
sterile bough
I mean prot warrior is prob one of the classes with least amount of buttons
spice barn
okay, thank you!
pallid quiver
so... would I be in trouble if i did?
Basically, you'd turn SS on most casts into not even generating rage, instead costing rage
which is horrible for your rage economy
It means you get to spend less rage on Revenge due to generating less, meaning you generate even less rage due to lower amounts of SS due to not getting resets.
The reason that macro even exists isn't for IP's sake; it's for Shield Slam's sake
Specifically, it'll help you snipe SS resets when going to press IP
dense coral
Hey Pumpers, I see some (high key) warriors using "Instigate" over "Bloodsurge" as Rage regeneration, thoughts on this? 🙂
pallid quiver
it's better in ST
I think it might be better in 2 targets, as well
Bloodsurge is the AOE pick, Instigate ST pick. I want to say it gets outdone at 3 targets, but I wouldn't know really. M+ is pretty much always properly Bloodsurge unless you're doing something weird
dense coral
Ahh I see that makes sense, SO also on Terros for example i should go with this
pallid quiver
and even then, bloodsurge won't be that bad
In almost all raid encounters iirc you should run instigate; adds aren't quite alive long enough for Bloodsurge rage gen to matter? I don't really raid this tier, though, so
jade stump
hey guys on waht point u use heavy repercussions vs into the fray?
some haste breakpoint?
dense coral
32%
pallid quiver
In keys, pretty much always HR unless you somehow manage to get 40% haste pre-buffs
since it stops you from dropping Shield Block
Which is more important than the relatively minor increase in AOE damage you get from rocking ITF
jade stump
that make sense
pallid quiver
In raid, you can guarantee the 5 stacks of ITF at all times (unless you somehow manage to end up in a group where the only melee are tanks or something wild), so its more useful there, as well as the fact that there are, in fact, situations where you're not tanking
jade stump
yeah i was asking for keys im so lost some times on talents for 20+
pallid quiver
Just default to what's in pins and you're good for 20s
dense coral
You get penalised over 30% haste right
pallid quiver
It's not enough to make getting more haste less worth it, plus we still don't comfortably hit uptime at that point
And yeah, that
So if you're at 40%, where the harsher scaling kicks in, ITF still gives you the whole percents it gives
jade stump
Just default to what's in pins and you're good for 20s
i really dont like pins with intimidating shout
cursive prawn
pallid quiver
Like, Int Shout will give you more bang for your buck than any other talent choice in M+ most of the time
It's more survivability and lets you pull bigger, which is more of a DPS increase than swapping to ITF would ever let you do due to having more stops available
but you can swap off it if you want
jade stump
Got it for sure u are right
Another question the eranog mythic ring is worth? For dropping a haste ring? I have the court one 415, the haste/vers 415 and the eranog 421
atomic nest
Having a bit of trouble with large aoe pulls If shout isn’t up after thunderclap what’s best way to keep gathering? Does demo shout have a high agro to it also. Thanks in advance
round pendant
I hate my 408 eggnog ring
median tulip
Another question the eranog mythic ring is worth? For dropping a haste ring? I h...
it depends on your stats elsewhere. The Eranog ring basically fulfils all my Versatility needs (with a bit from Tier), so every other slot I can go "F Vers" on
warm plinth
Having a bit of trouble with large aoe pulls If shout isn’t up after thunderclap...
I go entire dungeons without pressing challenging shout. It shouldn't even really be on the radar outside of kind of niche situations. TC and Revenge should do most of the work for you
median tulip
Having a bit of trouble with large aoe pulls If shout isn’t up after thunderclap...
Thunderclap, Ravager on self, Windscar Whetstone, Revenge
and Shield Charge
atomic nest
Aight will keep working on it
Just think of tree room in acadamy people wanna attack so fast I have a bit of trouble
round pendant
These affixes fucking suck
atomic nest
They very healer intensive which sucks while pugging lol next week is a good week though
round pendant
My friend was healing like #1 on WCL numbers
and we still failed
not really sure what to do about that
cinder storm
I'm just playing other games, I'm the kind of guy with the "every week is a push week"mantra except this week, f this week
median tulip
This is a very sucky week
hybrid gust
how does spell block works on 3rd boss in TJS?
warm plinth
how does spell block works on 3rd boss in TJS?
Mitigates the initial hit of Jade Serpent Strike
violet flume
I'm just playing other games, I'm the kind of guy with the "every week is a push...
tbh i find this week a lot less painful than the fort enrage week we just had
cerulean tusk
Huh. I found this week to be quite chill. But then, I ain't a healer so that is nice. VR removes any lingering grevious from myself.
Just bring Fury or DHs for high self sustain, and bosses seem to just flop.
Yep, a good week overall 
violet flume
yeah i heard healers noping out of this week but healthbars are a lot more stable and predictable compared to enraged fort mobs spamming some aoe and random uninterrupted spells nuking people down
round pendant
My friend is healing enough to reach #1 on wcl for this weeks affixes
and it's still brutal
It's not really fun, just feels annoying
hardy fractal
what point do you guys like to take out on the prot side to slot into a niche talent
ive been untalenting punish but idk if thats a bad decision compared to say violent outburst
round pendant
never remove violent outburst
hardy fractal
yeah i figured its too good, its a tough last point to move around
hardy fractal
typically disrupting shout or occasionally battle scarred veteran
round pendant
Never take bsv it sucks
hardy fractal
yeah im talking really occasionally
round pendant
You can drop instigate/bloodsurge
if disrupting shout is that valuable
like on dathea or raz
or even impenetrable wall
but that's prob a bad idea idk
hardy fractal
i like that idea thanks ill give it a shot
heavy yew
disrupting is nice i think i been trading the cd reduction for demo shout when i want it
warm plinth
Pretty sure the recommended talent to drop for disruptive is show of force
hardy fractal
yeah its a tight point lol prot tree has no wiggle room
cinder nova
I mean, it does. You're just giving up damage for utility.
It's definitely a very modular tree, tbh.
hardy fractal
disrupting shout has saved me a lot though esp being off the gcd
weak goblet
Anyone have any tips for tyann 22+ rlp first boss?
Trying to be efficient with spell blocks/reflects, smashing IP, and 2 charges of shield wall, but there's points where I'm out of DRs
Ayhe just better management
fallen lichen
Well you don’t have many other options besides that. You probably saving demo for adds too, maybe roll in some healer cds and that’s as much as you can do really
Might even switch D-Stance when adds are up
high basalt
Guys do I need to spec to fury to get the whetstone? Ty
scenic mural
or arms
blazing condor
Yea it doesnt drop for protection
high basalt
Ty guys appreciate it 👍👍😎
high basalt
Guys is there a catch up system for 380 gear did I read somewhere? Ty
tiny trellis
what should I typ my crafter?
warm plinth
Guys is there a catch up system for 380 gear did I read somewhere? Ty
not really. You can buy 343 gear from the AH. You can make 392 gear with sparks after you get them, but you're only guaranteed 5
strong forum
the "catchup" system is grinding the storm invasions
you can get a couple of 385s a week from doing the eggs
grand silo
hello, in which dungeons should i run spell reflect and not tough as nails?
hallow phoenix
So far I like it in temple and azure vaults
dusty bear
Hello. I did today 21 Academy and I reached the bird. That boss requires to have decent healer with you? I basically tried to stay alive like crazy until 20%, my Ignore pain was going down like crazy, used defensives, pots everything..
warm plinth
Hello. I did today 21 Academy and I reached the bird. That boss requires to have...
Yes, the healer should basically be focusing on you between screeches, as there is no other group damage.
dusty bear
Yeah man i don't know, i feel like the healer wasn't there when i needed the most.
fiery pendant
would you guys run eye in the storm or vers flask for broodkeeper? think eye might be better in p1 but kinda meh in p2
zinc shale
Spellblock doesnt work on Hyrja frontal right? I recall it not working last night in a +20
sterile bough
i does
sick sentinel
besides lariat, and companionship, what do embellishments do you put with frost fire belt for either fire ring
i have 1 408 fire dmg ring and all crafted things mentioned except for lariat
amber siren
yeah spell block definitely works on the frontal
you still need shield block up for the 100% block chance, might be why you didn't block it
zinc shale
you still need shield block up for the 100% block chance, might be why you didn'...
that might be why, probably ran out just as the frontal hit T.T
sick sentinel
Oh, i'm looking at some guy, and you can have one of each crafted unique equiipped rings, i could do that possibly,
dense coral
The 20 key gate is killing me. I have 2 timed 20+'s now. But I almost dont get invited in pugs. Rating = 2550.
Any tips?
18/19 is insta inv
idle vector
Push your own key
sick sentinel
this week is horrible for keys
i'd wait till another tyranical week
i don't even want to think about how bad a 20 TJS boss 3 phase 2 is RN
dense coral
Yeh might call it a week with 421/418/418 🙂 next week again
sick sentinel
probably some shit you plan aound to lust when she goes to phase 2
so you don't have to do 17 JSS attacks
sick sentinel
i wish that when she transformed into dragon that was when the scary part came with the healing thing
cloud umbra
Double shield wall isn’t great for that dung. You get it up twice either way.
sick sentinel
like the breath is now the same effect as the jss
sick sentinel
a +10 this week FEELS like a +15 in a pug
on other weeks
i think thgere is more mdi today possibly? poggers
i think its friday saturday sunday 1 to like 6-8 pm
cloud umbra
Good deal. Any good teams in this group? I missed last 2 days
sick sentinel
tons of groups went boom to stupid shit
cloud umbra
I somehow don’t wanna see any group but echo run haha.
sick sentinel
one run one of the groups the sabeuteur on boss 1 cannon balista dragon fight, that add got through and did its thing blew up the cannon
so it would have been at least 8 more second to fire another and they got erupted
ocean prairie
Guys does anyone run concussive blows + honed reflexes for the 13 sec kick?
ocean prairie
Mm ok maybe just CoS with the constructs
sick sentinel
if your in a very well put together group of ppl know what they are doing and you can assign kicks on voice chat, maybe, but its still a bit lower dps
ocean prairie
Ok thanks
sick sentinel
also honed isn't the play even though it lowers SS cd, you are still going to reset SS via devestator effect before 7 seconds, and so the 1 second CDR is wasted.
your group needs to kick more is what the problem is, and they aren't doing it and trying to goad you into "tank you have to kick more spells so u can take less dmg so that we can time the key faster 4head, so take interupt talnts plz"
modern brook
Guys does anyone run concussive blows + honed reflexes for the 13 sec kick?
There are no significsnt 13s recast timers, and 2s isn't enough to be able to be in 2 kick cycles so it's sorta irrelevant
sick sentinel
Ill just buy race change high mountain if i want a knockback
royal rune
I like my warstomp too much
sick sentinel
the only thing i truly want, is more valor
slim dove
little known thing about cos, healers can dispell surpress
so really its not a big deal if the cast gets off
cerulean tusk
I take the low CD kick, as it allows me to masspull with the centurions - as long I make sure heal don't go off, we good.
Also great for 2nd boss to deny all casts solo 
cerulean tusk
Why rely on interrupts not being overlapped, when you can do it yourself for no cost. Ez game ez life in the pug world
slim dove
cuz its a wasted talent point
vague imp
Hey guys, I'm a prot paladin main, and I've seen on the wowhead guide there's a section for 'builds per dungeon', but I don't see anything quite like for the prot warrior guide. Does that mean there's less variance in talents from dungeon to dungeon?
cerulean tusk
Warr don't need guides. We just zugzug.
But bring spell block for temple 
Go to pins, check SR list, so you know what's up and down
vague imp
yeah i've just seen that spreadsheet. definitely not overwhelming for a rookie warrior 😂
Should I be taking intercept for Fenryr in HoV as well?
slim dove
its nice tech but not required.
vague imp
Okay, cool, ty. And last question. What's the approx cooldown of Shield Wall when I take Impenetrable Wall. How much reduction should I expect to see?
cerulean tusk
Take double shieldwall, if ya feel lazy and don't want to minmax your pulls around it 
slim dove
never take double wall.
cerulean tusk
Except when lazy. Don't worry about it 
cerulean tusk
Embrace zugzug, embrace all the laziness
royal rune
The 20 key gate is killing me. I have 2 timed 20+'s now. But I almost dont get...
Spend 10 mins + signing up for every cos/sbg you see. You will get a gig. If not this weeek definitely nexy
+20s that is
vague imp
the entire spec will feel lazy
haha. Did I chose the wrong spec for a new challenge?
I have 2500 on my pala but can't break the 20 wall either.
cerulean tusk
Go VDH for a challenge, go bigdick max DPS builds.
Warr is super chill and calm, all zugzug
vague imp
I'll keep that in mind. Didn't enjoy the kiting playstyle in Shadowlands though, so I've not given it much of a chance in DF. Warrior does feel pretty cushy for the most part. Seem to be getting lots of rage, which makes for lots of uptimes.
strong forum
The talent tree does alot of handholding for pwar to get by
cerulean tusk
SB value goes burrrr, IP stocks are soaring, SR makes DPS cry. Life is good.
strong forum
Good and boring
cerulean tusk
Go VDH, get that rush of being a mortal tank
slim dove
haha. Did I chose the wrong spec for a new challenge?
the spec itself is very simple, especially compared to prot pal
strong forum
Go VDH, get that rush of being a mortal tank
I usually never play alts
1 and done kinda deal
cerulean tusk
Fair. Guess ya just gotta go higher and pull bigger, never stop. To get that rush
potent anvil
Pull big.. watch dps die. 
grizzled kite
Hiya, what are the recommended raid consumables to bring as Protection? Thanks ❤️
royal rune
SB value goes burrrr, IP stocks are soaring, SR makes DPS cry. Life is good.
What's SR
round pendant
I feel like prot warrior is on a knife's edge
strong forum
Rn im literally only on Maintenance mode until I get motivated again
vague imp
Is it worth talenting down into Shockwave ever?
strong forum
No
ionic fern
??
vague imp
cool, thanks ❤️
strong forum
Pretty sure he means the talents below shockwave
vague imp
Yeah I did, sorry.
fresh igloo
Yeah I avoid grabbing the bonus shockwave talents so I'm not tempted to use it for rage/dps. Keep it for aoe stops.
potent anvil
I feel like prot warrior is on a knife's edge
I guess it depends on the pulls. The biggest I've went on a highish key is a triple pull in Nokhud in the hills area. On a 23. Prot warr feels fine. Spell block for the casters and you're good.
fresh igloo
My normal prot key build has storm bolt, intimidating shout, and shockwave for locking down casts and such. Oh and cow stun too. So many options!
slim dove
no pull is really limited by tank survivability
potent anvil
Yeah. Its mostly casters or non-tank targeted spells that kill the party.
And if anything you just get aggro and run away
cerulean tusk
The only solution is to bring 5 tanks. Have no limits to pulls
strong forum
You'd be surprised how limited you are
cerulean tusk
strong forum
Because of your lack of stronger offensive CDs, you opt to pull smaller because its more efficient that way
5tank can infact not pull larger than normal comps, because the pulls live longer
cerulean tusk
strong forum
You can chain more often as soon as prio targets are dead
But you can't do any risky pulls
Cuz the risky pull will be 2+ min
And not 30seconds
timber wasp
Say RIP to 650k
Worth?
I got no upgrades in vault so I was pissed so.. wanted to treat myself
Bit of an upgrade
timber wasp
Fuck. I should've resold it
deep spruce
100%
cerulean tusk
You sir, got no honor.
timber wasp
Ahah fuck pvp
brisk flax
for a prot pally and prot war comp for mythic broodkeeper, which tank would you assign to which role?
cerulean tusk
Warr on boss, Pally on adds. Then, make pally. Reroll BDK, put DK on boss and warr on adds
Just check Warcraft logs for more info
timber wasp
Ikr
Just found out I couldve resold for like 3m though
I guess it would take fuckin ages to sell though so
slim dove
mind you theres one on my server rn for sale at 4.8 mil
timber wasp
Fuck.
cerulean tusk
3.8 mill 
tame jasper
None on my realm xD
cerulean tusk
None on my realm xD
Priceless 
timber wasp
Yep Im a fuckin idiot
tame jasper
Howdo glyps nowadays work. I mean when I leaarn one, can I "activate" them like transmogs or do they stay forever?
tame jasper
k
sand drum
so friends 👋
Started terros mythic prog last week and im trying to optimise talents to make myself less of a burden for healers and remove as many mistakes as possible how viable is this talent setup (thinking bolster over nails / spell block)
strong forum
you have way too much block uptime with this build
stop playing barbaric training, swap from HR to ITF
sick sentinel
BT and no shockwave and no int shout is gunna be a bad time
sand drum
but bolster seems to be "best" over nails or spell block ? so just swap to ITF ?
strong forum
bolster isnt the best, or necessary
sick sentinel
ohhh raid
sand drum
but I do want to pick up punish so xD?
strong forum
yes
sand drum
so my barb point I throw into 15 more rage I guess ?
sand drum
thx 😄
sry for interrupting 😄
btw how about bloodborn / devistator talent then ? @strong forum
tame jasper
Something totally different: How do you find players for M+ grps - I'm getting more and more stugged at 22 signing up for pugs in tool -_-
sick sentinel
i don't want to grind 4k valor to spend on 379 > 411 gloves
sand drum
@sick sentinel can do it for you :p ?
tame jasper
i don't want to grind 4k valor to spend on 379 > 411 gloves
then craft 418 ones ^^
sick sentinel
there not even my set gloves its just some insanely high haste ones
deep spruce
i don't want to grind 4k valor to spend on 379 > 411 gloves
then spam 20s n just upgrade 405s
or 16s n upgrade 398, whatever*
tame jasper
I heard there is a weakaura that shows you the enforcer respawn in COS. Does anyone knows that? I can't find something like this on wago