protection

[dusty mica]

Fair enough, yeah just felt like a real struggle

I know I was kinda punching above my weight class on that one but thought we could still get through it

with a 405+ healer would've been a bit easier. Or maybe if the evoker was more used to his alt too. How are you cycling CDs for crawth?

Just trying to spread out your IV / pot / last stand / SW / rally for each bleed?

i assume using ravager as a rage gen to feed IPs

[plush tendon]

Rally I use on 3rd or 4th screech per healer request

[dusty mica]

makes sense

[plush tendon]

SW I like to use during a quick bleed+screech overlap

Last Stand same thing

[dusty mica]

and only flat DR reduces that bleed damage right?

[plush tendon]

yea

[dusty mica]

so basically just SW and Demo Shout

[plush tendon]

miss the days of parrying the bleed 😦

I dont hold Demo

I send Demo with SC

[dusty mica]

whys that?

[plush tendon]

20% more damage

[dusty mica]

does SC do that much damage?

[plush tendon]

on my big button

and it lines up since I dont play TL

always

[plush tendon]

I play with Nom's build in basically all content; SC with both of the sub traits hits like a mack truck

so adding a extra 20% on top of that from booming voice

[deft hinge]

how many % does it do of ur dmg on average with that spec?

[dusty mica]

I'm using that build as well I believe

I'll try to keep those lined up

[plush tendon]

I dont know what the % of my overall SC is, all I know is that a Demo Shout->SC hits hard

[dusty mica]

Just started getting used to matching up violent outburst with SS

[deft hinge]

k, i’ve wanted to try it

[dusty mica]

How many targets do you use it on thunderclap?

[plush tendon]

I think its 5 or 8 targets

I cant remember

[slim dove]

iirc its 8 targets WITH avatar up.

[dusty mica]

What does avatar have to do with it?

Oh if you take the next talent NVM

For m+ you think big toe over Ruby whelp shell ST?

Got lucky and picked up a blazebinders hoof yesterday

[strong forum]

7+ without avatar
5+ with

Unless the pack is about to die relatively soon and there is no prio target

But if there's a prio target you wanna focus on sending SS outburst into that almost exclusively

[dusty mica]

the rend from thunderclap isnt affected by VO right?

[strong forum]

Prio dmg is what speeds up keys more

[strong forum]

Nop

[lime hound]

Just finishing some morning chores and got around to checking disc. Thank you as well

[faint mica]

is there a quick way to see %blocked attacks in overall dungeon like in details maybe?

[uneven mason]

Don't think details is that....... detailed

[faint mica]

is it easy on logs maybe? didn't looked tbh

[uneven mason]

Yeah logs can show % of blocked hits

[cloud umbra]

Go to damage taken tab, click on your name and hover over melee. Will tell you block%

[dusty mica]

someone previously had said that you want to hover over melee hits because the melee damage was inflated or something?

True or not idk

[jagged pier]

u hover over the hits column

[lusty tiger]

Yes you need to hover over hits because just melee includes swings you dodged, parried, or had miss you

You cannot block an attack that didn’t hit you

[strong forum]

If you just check melee dmg taken blocked vs non blocked, it skews the image cuz you obv take fuckall dmg from blocked hits

And take much more dmg from unblocked hits

[lusty tiger]

is this real news? @strong forum

[echo egret]

With weakauras, how do you spearate tracking "spell reflection = -20% magic dmg" and "spell reflection = 1st spell refelcted" ?

[astral shadow]

What phials are people using for their 20+ keys? I see so much variance among tanks in videos/guides

[lusty tiger]

eye in the storm

[astral shadow]

ok tyty

and for Raid, tepid vers?

[lusty tiger]

yes- IF you have a good rotation

[astral shadow]

lets pretend I'm not good. what should I use?

[lusty tiger]

glacial fury

[astral shadow]

ok thank you

What does good rotation have to do with tepid vers?

[deft mortar]

I dont use flasks or phials for any key kekw

[lusty tiger]

with a bad rotation glacial fury could easily do more than ~3.7% of your overall damage

[astral shadow]

ahh I see

[strong forum]

not news, brewmaster has innate an only 1second GCD iirc

whereas every other class has 1.5sec GCD

[echo egret]

Does Impending Victory count as a direct heal to remove 1 stack of Grievous ?

[topaz field]

it should but i wouldnt worry at all as a tank about grievious

[lusty tiger]

i think every energy user has a 1 second gcd

[strong forum]

could be idk

havent played rogue beyond level 52 back in wrath

[urban portal]

every energy user has 1s GCD non hasted

non energy users are 1.5s gcd hasted

[lusty tiger]

i thought Euros liked wearing leather

[round pendant]

Damn I've been levelling my prot paladin

and it feels way less safe than warrior

[lusty tiger]

it is op

[strong forum]

TIL

[round pendant]

warrior is just shield block and afk

[strong forum]

[urban portal]

haste isnt "resource generation" for arms and fury because you are just spending it faster as well

but it is for energy users

and i have to explain that every day back in SL

[uneven mason]

Stand in your consecrate

[round pendant]

I do!!

My hp slowly goes down and I wog

is that how it's supposed to work?

[urban portal]

yea

and use your free wogs

[round pendant]

I wish wog was ogcd

[median tulip]

Be a bit op if it was

[round pendant]

Maybe a little

you're still rate limited by how many free wogs and holy power you have

[urban portal]

the proc should be ogcd at least

[round pendant]

That's a happy compromise

[median tulip]

PPal can have wog ogcd if PWar can have IV ogcd

[uneven mason]

SotR is off gcd, be happy with that

[uneven mason]

Revenge off GCD

[median tulip]

Oh that would just be silly

[uneven mason]

So would wog off GCD

Since SotR is an ae damage ability

And off GCD

[median tulip]

As would IV; I was not advocating for the change, I was pointing out how it would be a bad idea

[uneven mason]

IV off gcd wouldn't be super impactful since it's more of a "icing on the cake*

Rather than our core kit

Since we don't need the healing in general

[sick sentinel]

wow toke has had a crazy past few days

sold 1 at 191k and 179k in 24 hrs, back up to 184k currently on NA

how is the haste leg embelishment? not sure what else to craft

[strong forum]

pretty dog

vers bracers are super solid if you dont plan on getting the fire rings and thus the belt

[median tulip]

Even with the rings the Frostfire Belt is... Not as impactful as all that

[sick sentinel]

it is bad because, it only counts for each NEW thing you attack, not, you attack guy 1, 2 3, 1 2 3 and then you keep getting t4he buff

yeah like i will be raiding on it but i cant guarantee the ring soon, so not sure if i just craft the belt in anticipation of getting the ring

idk

[median tulip]

None of the embellishments are really that important

[strong forum]

you cant go wrong with the belt

[sick sentinel]

okay belt it is ty

[strong forum]

embellishs are, as zeta said, w/e

on my prevoker im even only running 1, cuz my first vault was 418 boots so i cant even use my 2nd embellishment yet

[sick sentinel]

no what happens instead is u get the buff 1 time, for 1 guy

[median tulip]

I've got the belt, but these days I'm using Lariat and the wrists

[sick sentinel]

per that triggered it

[strong forum]

im surprised that people in MDI arent running the haste pants

thats like the ideal scenario for it

whereas the fire rings are quite bad for mdi

but they run fire rings + belt, instead of haste pants and haste/crit rings

[uneven mason]

Replaced my flaming codpiece, dead server no one to upgrade it

[median tulip]

I think for the MDI types it's more about having their healer able to DPS? IDK

[uneven mason]

Got a 415 socketed haste crit belt, feels good

[strong forum]

fire rings dont change that

the only big argument is, is that fire ring + belt is more ST dmg

but its way less aoe dmg for their ultra pulls

[distant crystal]

idk if dh's are special but fire ring still does like strong ass dmg in keys for me lol

[strong forum]

yes dhs are special

[median tulip]

DH have a much easier time of triggering the rings

[distant crystal]

i figured the belt would proc it mostly on cd

[strong forum]

they have 100% saturation of the fire ring proc rate

belt doesnt

[sick sentinel]

not only are most dh special, but they are also special in the brain most of them too

[distant crystal]

yogi plz

what did i do to deserve that :*(

not that it's wrong per se, but it's hurtful

[sick sentinel]

i like demon hunters alot, but i have had more than my fair shake of exceptionally dumb demon hunters

[median tulip]

I hate having DK tanks on my healers; they bound off over the horizon and then complain about not getting healed

[distant crystal]

the last court i did i died 3x on the first boss on fortified so it really stings more

[sick sentinel]

one receently talented into that he has to fight a demon, he does it and then hi complains about it

[distant crystal]

i mean yes we will continue to complain about fodder

[strong forum]

belt is ~80% saturation of fire ring proc rate

dhs get 100

[sick sentinel]

its literal your job and you asked for the job

this dh guy i mean

[distant crystal]

i mean it's the best talent for havoc at least, even if it is annoying to play around

[median tulip]

There's a Rogue in my guild has a hood that procs his Eranog ring a lot

[distant crystal]

ya flaring cowl is basically just wish.com immo aura

its range is shorter than melee range though which is kinda toxic

[timber garnet]

does any1 have spell reflection WA that works like the one that critcake uses?

[cinder storm]

Based

[cinder storm]

Idk about that one but Genshii has good WAs

[dusty mica]

You think having the fire ring (LFG 382 ilvl) is worth it when I have the belt crafted? Should I just use a 400 ilvl ring until I can get a normal/heroic fire ring?

its only giving like 1% of my dps

[sick sentinel]

i wish that LFR wings came out way earlier in the raid life cycle

start wing 1 after 2 weeks of its relase

[strong forum]

nah, low ilvl fire ring is not worth it

it should be MINIMUM heroic

[sick sentinel]

cuz at that point a month or 2 after the main raid came out.......

[strong forum]

and for the absorb ring, its decent at mythic ilvl

[dusty mica]

ok thanks, I'll get that replaced then, felt kinda underwhelming

[sand mason]

I have heroic ilvl with a socket and am greatly looking forward to replacing with a 421 cos ring or something D: Im hurting for better stats fr

[nocturne spindle]

the whoops all mastery ring

big sad

[rough solar]

Any idea why my DK co-tank has more dmg done with his heroic fire ring then I have with my mythic? We both proc it off the belt. Is there something I'm missing?

[dusty mica]

is that consistently the case?

[rough solar]

Let me have a look in logs. I just remembered it now with all the ring talk

[urban portal]

what boss

it also matters

osmetimes you get unlucky and proc the ring/belt on a small add

and it just dies

and you lose the proc

well rest of that 1 proc

[sick sentinel]

can anyone tell me the best way to get these without losing too much dps?

dont really want to drop punish

[lusty tiger]

it is encounter dependant

and pain and gain isnt great

[sick sentinel]

ahhh i thought it'd do decent overall healing

[lusty tiger]

warriors dont worry about healing

[sick sentinel]

thunderlord i rly want but i dont wanna drop anything dps increase

[lusty tiger]

thunderlord desyncs demo and shield charge

it is good but not the best for m+

[sick sentinel]

fair play, will keep rocking this for now then

[rough solar]

Comparing mainly Terros due to identical uptime and no adds, but I just realised we only have one fight together after I got the ring since he's away this week. Might no actually be a thing, could be just luck on that one particular fight. Other fights seem all over the place

[toxic gyro]

Drop aoe heroic throw

[sick sentinel]

so nice for gathering shit far away but will give it a go

[toxic gyro]

Like what

[fresh igloo]

regular heroic throw is spammable. i haven't found titanic throw to be that useful

[lusty tiger]

titanic throw is great

[fresh igloo]

also check the builds in the pins

[sick sentinel]

this is the build in the pins

[toxic gyro]

For what

There are 2 pulls in aa that I would like it

[lusty tiger]

NO packs, dps warriors, snagging patrols, double pulling

[fresh igloo]

you're right, my bad. forgot i had adjusted my own version of it

[sick sentinel]

yeah its on demand 5 target big aoe threat

for a 3 sec cd its huge

[toxic gyro]

You can charge clap charge

[lusty tiger]

throw is good for getting mobs your tclap will not be reaching

[toxic gyro]

You can hit them with regular throw too

[lusty tiger]

it is op for snagging patrols

[sick sentinel]

you can choose not to use it hes not forcing you to or trying to sway your opinion 😂

[toxic gyro]

Which patrol in particular

[lusty tiger]

any patrol that patrols near where you kill a pack-
the few mobs groups just before the 2nd tower in COS come to mind

[toxic gyro]

You asked which talent to drop for pain and gain

[lusty tiger]

also the patrol in 2nd boss room av

[toxic gyro]

I pull them with regular throw just fine

Group is on opposite side so mobs have to go through me

[lusty tiger]

idk man

u act like dps have never slammed fresh mobs

and pulled threat

it is helpful for that reason

[toxic gyro]

I never have aggro issues

[urban portal]

remember the fire ring is essentially a proc on top of a proc

[lusty tiger]

ofc it is unnecessary in a vacuum where no dps ever trolls you

[deft mortar]

I always aggro a new pack with heroic leap

Well in Fortified week atleast

Leap and pop off aoe

[fresh igloo]

obviously it's an optional talent that people will find more or less use out of it. i'm more interested in what other differences people have that makes one person find it important and another find it negligible.

[toxic gyro]

Oh they do, my friend will start combusting as I charge and mobs just run past me, dh will hunt as I charge

My friends are monkeys

[deft mortar]

I wish hunters were OP

Because alot of them actually use redirect very well

[lusty tiger]

mobs running past you sounds like aggro issues

[toxic gyro]

I mean I said as I charge

[deft mortar]

I mostly due equal or higher dps vs packs too given the time so

[sick sentinel]

btw i was meant to ask im experiencing a bug and idk what it is

[deft mortar]

Aggro is 0 problem

[toxic gyro]

I don’t see any top warriors run titanic throw either 🤷‍♂️

[sick sentinel]

heroic leap off cd and it comes up "cannot use at this time" then randomly i can use

[deft mortar]

We are already short on talent points bruh :S

[sick sentinel]

ive no idea what's causing it

[lusty tiger]

i dont even run it anymore but it has viable use cases

and the top warriors are surely running with non troll dps

[toxic gyro]

I didn’t say it isn’t viable, only said that it’s the talent I would drop for pain and gain

[sick sentinel]

anyone any idea on the heroic leap bug?

frustrating in dungeons

[lusty tiger]

well you have disagreed with every use case ive come up with- even when you yourself experienced a problem that using it fixes

[deft mortar]

im hard stuck 2.7k io rn

Any tips?

[lusty tiger]

prot paladin

[deft mortar]

Key rn is 21 AV

[toxic gyro]

If you think titanic throw is gonna hold aggro when you’re dps attack before you even get to the pack you’re wrong

[cinder storm]

It's a hard key this week with pugs, best of lucks

[fresh igloo]

is it a no path available error

[deft mortar]

But feels so dull to try hard for 40 mins just to get like extra 7 IO points

[sick sentinel]

the icon for heroic leap literally shows greyed out though

instead of being coloured, when off cd

[deft mortar]

Only for it to reset anyway soon

[sick sentinel]

then randomly it will turn coloured

[lusty tiger]

it has buffed threat- and if you proc sidearm ontop if it that is a very sufficient amount of threat

[deft mortar]

Maybe I just dont like competetive games all that much

If I am not motivated

[toxic gyro]

Go ahead and use it then, perfectly ok talent. Still as I said before, it’s the least impactful talent to drop for pain and gain.

[cinder storm]

You sure you don't have anything macroed to it?

[lusty tiger]

yes otherwise u gotta drop damage or cc

[sick sentinel]

and if i was to drop it pain and gain would be the play?

[uneven mason]

Are you rooted?

[lusty karma]

Maybe you're using a macro with tooltip vs. actual spell and there's a bug with it? I haven't had any issues with HLeap so seems specific (could also be lag?)

[sick sentinel]

i mean a cursor macro, but that shouldnt affect it not showing as coloured when its off cd

[deft mortar]

The trade off for Titanic Throw is ridiculous

[toxic gyro]

There are no other talents early we need, intervene for hov

[deft mortar]

WIll you give out Best Served Cold? hell na

[lusty karma]

Wouldn't hurt trying baseline but yeah guessing it will also have a bug

[lusty tiger]

sbolt, intim shout

[toxic gyro]

^

[sick sentinel]

can someone the macro they use and ill just compared to what i have

[uneven mason]

Are you using a #showtioltip or a mod key

[lusty karma]

Intervene, SBolt, Intim Shout, I started running Intim Shout baseline to help with interrupts again

[deft mortar]

I only run Stormbolt and Shield Charge

Usually only 1 mob needs to be stunned in packs anyway

[sick sentinel]

@uneven mason

[fresh igloo]

i think mine looks similar, checking.

[toxic gyro]

You can also drop utility, but I personally never drop it

[lusty tiger]

yes that is why youd have to drop tthrow

[lusty karma]

If you use the spell directly from the spell book do you still hit the issue?

[uneven mason]

Looks like what I use...idk

Might be a UI bug,

[sick sentinel]

only thing i can think is causing the issue is the glyph? idk

[fresh igloo]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Heroic Leap,@cursor] Heroic Leap

[toxic gyro]

I always play standard build with pain and gain instead of titanic throw, and for hov I play intervene

[sick sentinel]

will try this tyty

[fresh igloo]

i'm not sure it's relevant to your problem, but who knows

[sick sentinel]

yeah i have no idea whats causing it, im gonna just remove the glyph to be safe too

does goblin jump maybe give it an internal cd? idk

[cinder storm]

I have to reload before most keys due to taint errors, I read somewhere that your UI can get tainted and the saved version is stored server sided, so even if you try a few fixes the error is already saved on the server

What I'm trying to say, the game is buggy too

[distant crystal]

goblin jump putting you airborne might be mucking with heroic leap pathing?

[strong forum]

Heroic leap pathing only fucks up when it's LoS or on a slanted surface

[sick sentinel]

yeah idk its been happening since i started levelling it last week, thought it was maybe a known bug or something but apparently not 😂

[deft mortar]

nothings like a heroic leap auto DC

[sick sentinel]

i mean it should be shown as coloured regardless when off cd, it comes off cd and shows greyed out for 10-15 seconds sometimess

makes no sense

[strong forum]

I've never run into issues that aren't due to what I named above

[fresh igloo]

just for kicks, maybe try repairing your install

and yeah reload often, DF has some really messy code in the UI changes somewhere

[trim bay]

it might be your UI

[distant crystal]

there's a lot of spaghetti in this game

[uneven mason]

What bar mod are you running

[trim bay]

make sure you have updated it

[distant crystal]

i saw a druid that couldn't cast wild charge unless they were cat form, we tried troubleshooting for the longest, finally just had him close game and reopen and it worked

[trim bay]

try disabling it to see if it goes back to normal

[sick sentinel]

i run standard ui

[uneven mason]

It might be a range sensor and when your cursor isn't in range or on a path able surface it greys out

[fresh igloo]

pay attention to the exact error you're getting if you can reproduce it

[sick sentinel]

no idea, will see how this new macro and no glyph work out

[distant crystal]

it still works if your cursor is inside the minimum range

[sick sentinel]

hmmm i think its goblin jump ngl

[distant crystal]

it just jumps past cursor to the min range in that direction

[sick sentinel]

gonna try it now

[distant crystal]

umm

yeah it is goblin jump

i just tried it and got the same thing

lucky for you my warrior is goblin, that's strange

[uneven mason]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

puts it on internal cd or some shit?

[distant crystal]

yeah it doesn't show a cd it just greys out heroic leap for like

5 secs or so?

[sick sentinel]

solid 5-10 sec yeah

weird af

[distant crystal]

i'll get a gif of it in a sec

[sick sentinel]

wonder if its intended

[uneven mason]

Time for a bug report

[cinder storm]

You know what really grinds my gears, SC getting CD when you use it on the birds in AA when they are about to touch the ground

[sick sentinel]

blizzard owe me 650 gold for having the rebuy this glyph for leap

[distant crystal]

umm gyazo plz open the tab with my gif sir

smh gotta update

[uneven mason]

Charging from the air , shield slamming for 70k, then getting an evade

[distant crystal]

https://gyazo.com/ee3f856878b2bec74a6f2fcdc19f4700

[uneven mason]

That's scuffed

[distant crystal]

and doesn't matter if it's @ cursor macro or not

rip

[fresh igloo]

yeah if there's a shared ICD w/ goblin jump and heroic leap

that basically means don't bother playing warrior as agoblin doesn't it ? lol

time for more tauren stuns

[distant crystal]

i'm trying leap into jump now

err

heroic into goblin

works fine

[fresh igloo]

so it's a one-way ICD? lol wacky

[distant crystal]

oh it's intended

[strong forum]

TIL

[distant crystal]

what on earth did Rextroy do to make them add this

[uneven mason]

Til heroic leap slows falling

[uneven mason]

Chances are this goes back to the WF mythic kiljaeden kill

[fresh igloo]

it's like any of the movement abilities you can cast mid-air, it resets inertia so you don't take fall damage if timed right.

[uneven mason]

I know hl stops falling damage, but slows isn't the term I would use

[distant crystal]

i wonder if it makes levitate and slowfall uncastable too

[fresh igloo]

yeah it's not really what i would call clear wording

[strong forum]

blizzard using uninclusive language

:gasp:

[chilly brook]

Ye that’s how it works

If you train yourself to just leap before you use jump it’s all Gucci

[chilly brook]

I played as goblin for a long time it was actually nice, you just leap before you rocket jump

[jagged pier]

I would be called so toxic if i used this in here

[distant crystal]

now i'm pretty sure i've already learned and forgotten this before

cause i played goblin warr alt for most of SL lol

[chilly brook]

I was looking for the video of goblin jump+heroic leap saving me

But I found this instead

Good old blizzard spaghetti code on interaction of priests symbols and our AM

[ocean prairie]

Guys is prot paladin harder than prot warrior?

[distant crystal]

lol i remember that one

[chilly brook]

3 minute CD to hey I got it back already

[strong forum]

Yes

but thats not because paladin is particularily hard

its because pwar is particularily easy

[chilly brook]

Here it is

Goblin rocket jump comin in clutch

[ocean prairie]

Ok thanks!

[chilly brook]

I blame the idiot who was standing near everyone with the knockback

There’s only one thing I miss about SL

Give me back soulshape

[uneven mason]

Remember being nf pwar,

[chilly brook]

NF prot was goated with the sauce

[uneven mason]

Fuck spear, death fairy stompybois trucked

[chilly brook]

So many mechanic interrupts

I mean don’t get me wrong I went Kyrian once we got double Lego

And then Necro Chad

But before then, NF was based

[uneven mason]

I had quit by then

Because not having living space feels bad

Also 288days of no content

[chilly brook]

Feelsadman

[strong forum]

interesting

[urban portal]

The “against current target” is changing

[strong forum]

ye ~1.5months ago

[urban portal]

So I think it’s fine

[strong forum]

this is now

[urban portal]

Yeah there was a nerf

[strong forum]

there was a nerf, yes

[urban portal]

I can’t remember the timeline

[strong forum]

but we gotta check when

it was changed jan 24 on NA

jan 25th EU

mustve been

its pvp scaling

still being active on your character sheet

i cba

i equipped lower ilvl

and block value went up

i checked on all 3 difficulties

normal, heroic and mythic

all the same

its just dumbass fucking pvp scaling fucking you in the ass with displaying wrong information

3rd time im learning this bullshit

its not a bug

perse

just display error on character sheet

the higher average equipped ilvl you go, the more fuck it becomes

we love pvp scaling

[pallid quiver]

i mean on average we don't

maybe dedicated pvpers do i dunno i haven't kept up with the pvp crowd this expac/season

[strong forum]

thats an obv joke

[pallid quiver]

we only take things literally now, thank you

[strong forum]

also, if i'd have checked in a normal dungeon, i'd have not been baited

cuz i looked at the wrong value

[hazy sluice]

did they fix the wood fence trick in HoV ?

tried that yesterday, pulled all wolves and they killed the ranges on the fence

[strong forum]

fence never worked

its the pole that works

behind the rock in the back

any location you can reach without the absolute need of jumping, wont work

cuz anything that you can walk allows pathing, mobs cant path to smth that isnt reachable by walking

[plush tendon]

I started liking the Echo rock more then the post

sometimes, the post doesnt work, but the stone works pretty much 100% of the time

and with a warrior, no one needs to run out for the chase with intervene

[hazy sluice]

which stone?

[distant crystal]

by the cave

[strong forum]

no

[distant crystal]

there's a little spot you can parkour to on the left?

[strong forum]

well sure that one works too

but the more common one

is in the back

[distant crystal]

right past the bridge by the right wall?

[strong forum]

thereish

should be the pole

[distant crystal]

ye

he said which stone 😄

i guess echo spot kinda...requires you to be doing w/ boss

[strong forum]

yeah and augusto said rock, i said stone

[distant crystal]

ok so this is 3 spots

2 stones and a post?

[strong forum]

the spot above fenryr cave is harder to get to

idk

[sick sentinel]

prot warr go boom on MDI just now

something happen in AV

he went boom, they key going giga boom now

[strong forum]

you mean wiped?

[sick sentinel]

MDI wipe + run back + L + ratio

[plush tendon]

you would do the boss first, then get range on the rock and pull the wovles

requires people not to body pull, but its pretty easy to get up there

plus then you got speed boost to gather wovles

[plush tendon]

and its a rock! not a stone

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/its-not-just-a-boulder-its-a-rock-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-hug-gif-17867157

[sick sentinel]

i mean... i know there is different classes of rocks/stones, all the same thing to me.

[turbid shuttle]

The key with the post is just making sure you're not off the edge at all, but instead all the way up on the tip

And then just do not move at all

[strong forum]

^

[cinder storm]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-deep-rock-galactic-gif-25114877

[trim bay]

hey. i have strike twice 415ilvl, i have simmed against Primal molten longsword 418 and it makes no difference DPS wise but obviously stat wise it does. should i bother changing?

[strong forum]

Ilvl wins, strike twice will only edge out when it's equal ilvl

On aoe the higher ilvl will do more

[median tulip]

Fucking hell, the bird in Academy is rough on high keys

[lusty karma]

Yep ideally it's Rally on 3rd stack and defensive's on 4th stack then lust during stun for extra damage, then same thing again and hopefully kill it before 2nd 4th stack

It's a healer check but if group coordinates and uses their defensive's it's not too bad

The real issue is lack of coordination in pugs with no voice

[median tulip]

getting the stun at the right time is very definitely an issue

[lusty karma]

Yeah should ideally be right before 5th screech healer throws the ball

[median tulip]

I was always amazed that people bitched about the tree, which was always easy, and not the bird, but now I'm pushing high keys the bird is murder

[lusty karma]

Yeah bird/vex are the actual challenges now with the nerfs to tree, tree is just a stack and move together challenge, and don't overlap germinate

Tree is the pad boss so everyone has 100-200k dps overall by end of dungeon if done right

[median tulip]

before the nerfs the tree was just "throw an earth elemental at the second set of adds" and it was GG

[lusty karma]

On tyran week I like to go vex first, then backtrack to tree, then bird, lusting on vex/bird

and clear more trash before final boss, you could also do wyrms, they're easy imo just jump around a bit, honestly I really like AA

[median tulip]

That's probably the best idea TBH

[lusty karma]

Both of those bosses are the group killers so it's nice to get vex out of the way first to also see if the group is ready

Also there's supposedly some orb soak tech with Vex but I tried it once and it didn't seem to work, (supposedly second set of orbs after his first crap on ground ability you don't soak to offset timers), if anyone does know the right way I'm all ears

[median tulip]

I heard sometyhing about that, but then someone else said it got patched out by bliz

[lusty karma]

Hmm so maybe it was fixed then, boo lol

HoV is where we really get to flex our tech though

[lofty widget]

Dont let him soak All, just let 2 go through, should offset his abilities enougbh to avoid the overlap

[lusty karma]

Which set of orbs do you do that for, or is it for all sets?

[rich stratus]

Hi all, getting into tanking heroic pugs and I know all of the mechanics but I'm finding the tanking aspects of it are difficult to learn beforehand. Any good written/youtube tutorials that I could look at for each boss? So far I've just been reading tank notes but not everything is explained well there and it's not updated

[frozen rose]

anyone find mythic kurog first transition around 97 energy weird? generally right adds spawn. sometimes for no reason wrong adds. doing somethign wrong? or this is just the way it is. ive had times hes gone thru even at 98 and its worked. other times, no

[jagged pier]

Doing something wrong maybe but timing is very precise tbh like stupid precise. I dont use enegery moving at 1:59 into the fight does it for me

[frozen rose]

oh u use atimer

might be more accurate

good suggestion

[sleek maple]

It's dumb how tight the timing is, and sometimes he will come over late due to melee leeway. It's definitely frustrating for tanks because you can wipe from it being "your fault" but I hate how it doesn't feel like "your fault" at the same time

[frozen rose]

ya ya ive noticed that its the melee swing that delays him sometimes. once i leaped for that reason to prevent, spawned wrong adds still somehow lol. i get it like 80% of the time. thinking timer is probably even more precise tho ill try that

[dusty mica]

What tank handles Crawth/bleeds the best? DK?

[median tulip]

A Dorf one

[dusty mica]

I mean, it covers one bleed

[deft mortar]

Just pop dstance kekw

[dusty mica]

not really a gamechanger

[sleek maple]

Dwarf prot pal with evoker can remove 4 bleed stacks

[dusty mica]

shit goes out like every 20 seconds

[sleek maple]

3 from prot pal and 1 from the evoker CD

[dusty mica]

how the heck you you make sure a melee doesn't get popped when using bob/bubble? a macro to bubble/cancel/taunt all at once?

[sleek maple]

You can just macro in a cancel aura and cast taunt then bubble and drop it in the same global basically

Like most of my abilities on other tanks have a cancel aura macro into whatever I spam the most

IP, slam both have a cancel aura macro just cause.

[uneven mason]

You make a macro that has cancelaura before and after the bubble cast...

You won't even see the buff but the bleed will be gone

[dusty mica]

ok good to know. I have a pally but he's an hpal really, don't tank on him often

does that mean theres a GCD where you can't taunt but you dont have aggro?

[mighty valley]

god, i remember tryhards on sludgefist getting their cotanks to macro cancelauras into everything so the prot warrior could intervene them without getting punched to death

[jagged pier]

Yer i just intervened

And i was the second tank to do i think with rep to do it

We tried, gave up

So i just took the melees. Cuase warrior

[mighty valley]

💪

[glad wharf]

this week seeming particularly tough for m+'s trash doing fine, but when it comes to bosses ppl are just falling over

?

[median tulip]

Grievous is not helpful on bosses with a continual group-wide damage component

[glad wharf]

guess its time to find my self a fixed group rather than pugging keys

[strong forum]

tyr grievous is one of the hardest combination for keys

and blizzard in shadowlands even stated that it shouldnt exist

but here we are again

[glad wharf]

ta was starting to think i was been rubbish tank

[cinder storm]

Teeming bolstering fortified

[strong forum]

bro youre playing pwar

[jagged pier]

Bloz changing things for the better :kekw:

[strong forum]

you have literally no say in the matter when it comes to bosses

if you dont die yourself on bosses, thats all you can provide as pwar

[median tulip]

The keys I have failed, I have generally failed because DPS fuck up the mechanics and the healer has to spend CDs/lots of mana keeping them up

[strong forum]

(one of the reasons why i dont enjoy tanking as much this xpac)

i feel quite useless

im just there

but i cant help anybody

[rain light]

give warrior heals that you shout at others to heal them

[median tulip]

Outside of a 3m Rallying Cry, Nome is right

[glad wharf]

aye, intervene isn't available in most builds either now i used to use it all the time in SL

[cinder storm]

And rallying cry is a bit meh

[strong forum]

rallying cry is super good as a group defensive

compared to what any other tank offers

[median tulip]

The issue with Rallying Cry is that it doesn't really help that much with Grievous specifically, because if you were at low HP you still will be

It's good overall and a group-wide defensive, but it's not that great as a specific counter to Grievous, IYSWIM

[strong forum]

well yeah

nothing beats paladin in that regard

wog, sac and bop are one hell of a drug

[median tulip]

I've never played Pally at high level

[pallid quiver]

continue to not

never give in to the pink menace

[median tulip]

I always bounced off it around level 80 before the squish

[strong forum]

i only played it for half of a patch in 8.1

[cinder storm]

The pink menace will be really good next dungeons

[strong forum]

it already is better in 6/8 keys

[pallid quiver]

I swear on me mum I'll stick to +2s if I have to

[strong forum]

currently

[pallid quiver]

I don't actually not invite pallies

[strong forum]

and the only reason why pwar is better than pally in 2/8 keys is only cuz of spell reflect

[cinder storm]

I have never played pala in keys, I might give in

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, their kit's really nice to have around for M+ purposes

[median tulip]

I rarely invite them because a) I rarely pug, and b) I'm the tank and Ret is kinda bad right now

[glad wharf]

divine toll, and thats all i need to say there

[sick sentinel]

better to just upgrade these gloves?

[cinder storm]

I invited a ret on a hov 22 last week, he was solid

[strong forum]

huh

why would you

[sick sentinel]

or i dunno if there is a better pair of gloves outta dungeons

[strong forum]

stats dont carry over

only tertiaries

your gloves are better because theyre higher ilvl

[median tulip]

I assume you mean upgrade the ilvl because you have 5pc and the stats are better?

[strong forum]

oh you mean just not using tier gloves

[sick sentinel]

cuz 5/5 literal have an open slot and still get 4p bonus if i level and equip the haste crit

[strong forum]

nah, keep tier gloves

you want a bit of mastery on your gear

helmet and gloves give you a small chunk of it

[median tulip]

How much Mastery do you have?

[sick sentinel]

1602

[median tulip]

TBH if you are looking to swap an item of Tier for non-Tier Chest is probably the best choice, because stat budget

[strong forum]

1600 mastery is fine

pretty much just as much as you want

[median tulip]

Yeah, agree with Nome

[sick sentinel]

my vault this week, no i dont have lariat

[errant leaf]

how hard it is to get invited into 22, I'm at 2887io rn and I've been tagging for 2hours straight rn

[strong forum]

youre right at the score you should have when you do 22s

so idk

should be super easy to get invites

[sick sentinel]

1837 crit 3366 haste 1602 mastery 3939 versa

wtf versa

[strong forum]

but community is losing braincells everyday and they think they need prot pally now

[cinder storm]

People might be jumping on the pala bandwagon

[errant leaf]

yes I have all 21 and some 22, even got HoV, not the usual Sbg CoS

[errant leaf]

:/

[rain light]

3 more 20s and im done this season

[errant leaf]

maybe I reach the 2.9 milestone my struggle will end

[sick sentinel]

i don't see any valor haste versa gloves

so, crit is the other good option

[cinder storm]

I'm 2934 myself and I have 6 keys on tyr at 20, I haven't had a chance to push on tyr for a few weeks now

[strong forum]

i dont push

couldnt care less for it

[sick sentinel]

i would be okay with be mastery boy

for science

[cinder storm]

My season will be over when I reach 3k, I think that's a decent io tbh

[modest grove]

hi, im back with some logs finally, parse dmg 79, i think my SB uptime is still...trash. I really need to pay more attention. Can someone help me to understand what else can i improve? Ty in advance

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DBdCk2xFzmp6GnYc#fight=4&type=summary&source=4

[strong forum]

3k isnt gonna be far off of whats r1 title is gonna be

[errant leaf]

I have AV 23 in my bags but am scared to commit

i think

3k will be top 1%

and r1 will be like 3150

[strong forum]

your revenge casts are way too high

your SS casts are way too low

your TC casts are also too low

you only did a 23dmg parse

not a 79

https://i.imgur.com/D2oD3y4.png

[cinder storm]

Well, true but you know how top pushers will help their friends and stuff to get r1, and the score for r1 will get pushed even more late in the season

[strong forum]

this is your key based performance

[modest grove]

thanks, delusions kek

[strong forum]

the parse% in the front, only says how high the key level was for your respective spec

[errant leaf]

how high is r1 rn ?

[cinder storm]

I still blame my duo for not wanting to swap to evoker from disc, would've made pugging and some weeks so much easier

[strong forum]

for title?

[errant leaf]

I blame my duo for stopping :/

[modest grove]

so more shield slams and thunder claps will solve a good portion of the problem?

[strong forum]

title will be around 3190

[cinder storm]

Oof

[modest grove]

as always

[errant leaf]

ye

[sick sentinel]

yah, amd also, if i go lariat, i have to get wrists

i have a pair in bags sbg haste versa, or i can craft them my self

[errant leaf]

damn r1 is already at 3133 on raider.io

[strong forum]

here is a small comparison between my log and your log

[sick sentinel]

just, i still have to work out what im guna do in that situation, so dont weant to commit lariat

[strong forum]

i have the r1 dmg parse for pwar in court 21 (at the time the key was done)

but the general gist is:
SS > TC > Revenge
Dmg CDs on CD
Use IP to prevent rage overcapping, no matter what the current situation of Ignore Pain is

[cinder storm]

Watch it get 100pts higher in a month

[strong forum]

youre wasting almost 10% of your rage income, which means youre overcapping rage, not spending it fast enough

[dire moss]

i got 1700 mastery with whetstone

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/uqFzP70.png

this is my 3minute shorter run

but i gained 50% more rage than you

the goal of pwar is to prioritise rage generation

[median tulip]

and only wasted 1% of it

[modest grove]

i dont even notice that i overcap rage, i feel like that most of the times during bosses im rage starving, ad always trying to mitigate a lot with ignore pain

[cinder storm]

More rage more revenge = more SS

[strong forum]

pay close attention to your buttons and rage

[errant leaf]

honestly I'll be happy if I get top 1% this season, it's honorable considering that I'm full pugging

[strong forum]

it make the difference between an average and great pwar

is the rage bar

[median tulip]

Shield Slam more. And then Thunderclap more, because it generates Rage and resets SS

[modest grove]

so i should spam revenge only when rage overcapping? Because i use a lot of revenge of every pull and almost starving for it. Wrong mindset i guess

[median tulip]

and the more Rage you spend, the faster Avatar comes back, and that generates Rage and makes Thunderclap better at generating Rage and reducing the CD of Demo Shout (which Generates Rage)

[strong forum]

no

treat revenge as your filler

and main tool to reset shield slam

[cinder storm]

If you want to have better chances in key, stick to similar comps, and safe comps, get a warlock for temple always to help on last boss, ferals are solid they always have CDs and brezz, rogues tend to be solid too, evoker will always bring lust DHs are decent. That way, even if the players are different, you'll have a solid notion of what they can do and handle

[strong forum]

to prevent overcapping you just fucking send ignore pains out the ass

whenever youre at 60-80 rage

just hit ignore pain

[sick sentinel]

level up these ones or make black smith or engineer bracers

[strong forum]

always send SS

[sick sentinel]

for if i ever don't use those wrist

[modest grove]

so revenge is not my main rage spender, but ignore pain

[strong forum]

both are

but you are prioritising revenge over everything

which is wrong

[median tulip]

Ignore Pain is a button that reduces the cooldown of avatar and shield wall by 3.5s, heals you for 3.5% of you max HP... and just happens to give you the 50% damage absorb as a handy side effect

[strong forum]

you want to send revenge when you CANT use Shield Slam OR Thunderclap

when you have too much rage and want to spend it, just send ignore pain

[median tulip]

Revenge is mostly for fishing for Shield Slam reset procs

[strong forum]

for example

[median tulip]

I have those BS bracers. The effect is basically always at 4 stacks.

[strong forum]

this is my boss opener when i didnt have all CDs ready on pull

this is yours

notice a difference in casts?

[modest grove]

a lot of difference yeah

[strong forum]

or here a bit later

yours

mine

youre leaving gaps in your casts done

and starving yourself for rage

by overspending rage on revenge

[modest grove]

you can clearly say that my main cast is revenge and im focusing a lot on it

[median tulip]

This is also pretty indicative of an issue: 18 casts of Avatar in a 28 minute dungeon is... very low

[strong forum]

i ended up with 34 avatars in 26 minutes

[modest grove]

i should put a tell-me-when weakaura for SS, TC, Avatar

[strong forum]

because of my rage habits

[median tulip]

Like... Avatar with a Prot Warrior in full Rage-Cycle mode is a 30-35s CD

[strong forum]

rage is the key factor to focus on

maximise its gain and usage

thats why haste is so important/good

[modest grove]

example: if im pulling 6 mobs, casting SS, Revenge, TC, SS, etc, will always do more damage then spamming revenge? If hypothetically have infinite rage

[median tulip]

The more you can cycle Rage, the faster Avatar comes up

[strong forum]

if you have infinite rage

then spamming revenge is more dmg

but you dont have infinite rage

and cant spam revenge

thats why SS > TC > revenge

to get that infinite rage

[modest grove]

so...in my case im missing a lot of casts because im starving, because of revenge?

and im missing dps

[strong forum]

because generating more rage = more outbursts, more shieldwalls, more avatars, more self healing

more outbursts and more avatars = more rage generation

which in turn means more CDs again

its a huge feedback cycle

[modest grove]

okay, that is what Zetakya is trying to explain

[deft mortar]

I do more dmg with BT vs 5 targets cuz the sim uses more TC Nome

ls fix

Pls fix*

[strong forum]

idc about optimising aoe sim

[deft mortar]

5 target patchwerk 5 min

[modest grove]

okay that is mindblowing to me now

like really

[strong forum]

its somewhat fine

[modest grove]

i had a different conception of Prot warr in my mind

[deft mortar]

Yeah who cares aoe tbh lmao

We pump it thats enough

[median tulip]

On packs, my GCD casts are
10 Shield Slam
20 Thunderclap
30 IF SS reset? THEN GOTO 10
40 Revenge
50 GOTO 30

[deft mortar]

Btw proba simming 45k ST now

Without SD

[strong forum]

aoe sim is quite close to reality in sims anyway

[deft mortar]

Did I catch u up yet?

[strong forum]

im at 53k

🙂

[deft mortar]

Bruh last I checked u were at 42k

I checked in december than again

[strong forum]

ok i might not exactly be at 53k but close to it

[median tulip]

Yeah; it's the Rage Engine. Everything is about leveraging Anger Management and the other "do X when you spend Rage" effects

[strong forum]

like 52.8 or smth

[deft mortar]

I mean 1 item drop or socket and thats 53k

So just roll up kekw

[sick sentinel]

WTF do you even put in the bracers as pwar

[strong forum]

you craft em yourself

[sick sentinel]

for a tniker, brez and invispot is ONLY 2 i can think being reliable at al

[deft mortar]

Do tinker slots count as embellish? If not isnt that ez deeps?

[strong forum]

they dont

[modest grove]

last question for tonight regarding this rage feedback cycle: generating rage will shorten the CD of basically everything? Even ravenger or roar?

[sick sentinel]

yeah, thats what i mean

[deft mortar]

Noice ez free deeps

[sick sentinel]

i can make those, and then, have whatever the best tinker is

[deft mortar]

I gotta up my ST game by alot

[modest grove]

this should be really underlined on prot warrior guides

[strong forum]

avatar and shieldwall

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eDJJ9Xfc88SrMmbhbzhzim

oh

[deft mortar]

noice

[median tulip]

If you do it right, you get shit like this happen:

[strong forum]

guess i gained a few good pieces

[deft mortar]

can u sim Bigmuscleman-ArgentDawn EU? I am at gym

[strong forum]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dQPoz4ezhavrAKtypyL2y4

youre using whack trinkets

[deft mortar]

Lol im soo below my ILVL

Yeah they are just ilvl sticks

[median tulip]

(that's the entire corridor leading to Sennarth with lust, TBF; but it was a few months ago, and I've seen that Feral hit half a million DPS in there)

[strong forum]

i did that in LFR last week to get vault slots in case i needed to pick socket

i did 22mil dmg that pull

[median tulip]

Oh it's hilarious on LFR

[strong forum]

and peaked at like 700k dps

[median tulip]

The meter I showed there was on HC

[warm plinth]

I have wonderful trinkets. DGE and seed 🙃

[strong forum]

a true tank

not this fake tank, like me

[deft mortar]

Wow I rly underperform compared to my ilvl

[strong forum]

atleast you stopped playing the turtle build

[deft mortar]

Lmao I am never returning

I just git gut with defensives

[strong forum]

good

[deft mortar]

Learnt what hits hard

If BSV prevented death I could run it sometimes tho

[median tulip]

It's just a shame you didn't try it during SLS3&4. Now there was a Rage Engine #BringBackBanner

[old sinew]

for a tank, 7 ilvl > socket for head/pants/chest right? can't really sim the defensive value but I think it is relevant, armor/main stat/stamina

[median tulip]

7 ilvl on WHAT, exactly?

[modest grove]

you had overall more casts then me? like how many casts

[old sinew]

... head/pants/chest

???

[median tulip]

You can't socket Pants or Chest

[deft mortar]

Woo Nome is also dwarf

[old sinew]

okay then head

[deft mortar]

I think Orc is more dps, but Belf proba top dps

do dorfs get crit dmg or smth?

[modest grove]

what is that kek

[median tulip]

The banner gave you rage ticks as long as it was up. The legendary extended the duration when you spent Rage. Done right, you could get it past 100% uptime.

[modest grove]

beautiful

[deft mortar]

120 CPM tho

Keyboards rip

[modest grove]

i played the whole TBC, also as tank, but now that im back with a retail expansion tanking is so different

[deft mortar]

rage dump felt better back then

[modest grove]

a different tale

[median tulip]

Sim it, but probably not, because Primary Stat. It's usually only worth downgrading ilvl on Jewellery, because those don't have Pri on them

[median tulip]

It was the carpal tunnel syndrome spec, granted

[old sinew]

there's a sim that takes into account defensive value?

[median tulip]

no, but one gem isn't going to make a noticeable difference in that anyway

[old sinew]

I'm just going to go with my gut and use ilvl and then eventually socket the 421 anyways so it won't matter in the long-run

[median tulip]

Fair

[modest grove]

also you never use shockwave. I feel like im losing a lot of focus because i have to kick-stun-silence adds. I pug with two friends (rogue and druid) and hell we are always short on interrupts

[median tulip]

He probably doesn't even have SWave specced; I know I don't

[strong forum]

I have it specced

[modest grove]

should I care less about stuns for a while? At least until I can perform a proper rage "show"

[strong forum]

But hardly any reason to use it in court

[strong forum]

I wouldn't

It always good to learn your full kit

[modest grove]

oki

[strong forum]

Just go with the normal build

And just play, there's not always a reason to just send CC for the sake of it

[deft mortar]

Go my build for max dungeons slice dps kekw

Not a point wasted on low skill talents like spell block

[median tulip]

Spell Block is invaluable in some dungeons, but not others

[deft mortar]

But u can just reflect 😒

[cinder storm]

Tell that to rock guys

[deft mortar]

My goal isto get used to get rid of SS reduces Wall CD by 5 sec talent

[cinder storm]

?

[deft mortar]

And use 1 tick of 10% bleed dmg

[cinder storm]

Why?

[median tulip]

Bloodbourne is bad, okay?

[deft mortar]

10% bleed dmg is roughly 2.0% dps increase for me in dungeons

[median tulip]

If Bloodbourne were 1 talent point for the current 2 talent point effect I still probably wouldn't take it

[deft mortar]

Ez 1k dps

[modest grove]

If i do a +15SBG for example, and log it with my prot warr 411 ilvl, and follow your tips, and get the right feel...would you recommended it?

[strong forum]

Losing out on 20% rage gen on shield slam is kinda...

Bad

[deft mortar]

Isn't it just wall cd?

[strong forum]

[deft mortar]

If so must do more think rip

[strong forum]

D-did you read the talent?

[median tulip]

additional 3 rage by SS

[deft mortar]

I also giga-run 10% haste over SB duration + 2 rage

Thats more defensible I think

[median tulip]

I did higher than that at lower ilvl

[modest grove]

because you know how to play

[median tulip]

SBG is a dogshit easymode dungeon though

[modest grove]

ofc i did it too, but i dont know how to play

[strong forum]

+15smbg is tankable at like 360ilvl

[deft mortar]

wall talent still my choice btw xd

+15 is soloable

[strong forum]

Should be fine

[deft mortar]

I might time SBG 15 on fortified alone

Maybe not time

[strong forum]

Yeah I smell the preworkout from here

[deft mortar]

Would need to kite bones tho

And I might fail timing the TPing pink void walker alone

1 DH with me maybe

[warm plinth]

How would you fail

[deft mortar]

Cuz solo

[median tulip]

Go beat on the tanking dummy and see how high you can get its stacks

[deft mortar]

The other pack would banish it to me

[strong forum]

You would fail on first boss

Cuz it wouldn't die

Ever

It heals when the mob reaches the boss

[deft mortar]

Add like 2M dmg?

HP*

[modest grove]

will do

[strong forum]

Training dummy for 2-4hrs

To get the muscle memory down

[deft mortar]

tbh I forgot what a 15 is like so maybe not xd

[strong forum]

And you prio right

You will see improvement

Goal is to get as close to let's say... 30k dps

Over 5 minutes

[modest grove]

so 5 minutes of continuous damage to the dummy
30k is the goal

[strong forum]

Yeah I think you could manage that with your gear

[modest grove]

what abilities can I use? All

[strong forum]

Well only your own buffs

[modest grove]

sure

[strong forum]

No drums, no other party members

Only what's available to you

Doesn't have to be at or more than 30

Just get as close as you can

[modest grove]

thanks for all the advice guys

[strong forum]

More is always better, but don't stress it too much

Without raid buffs and full stacks of ITF I could also only manage 40k vs boulderfist

[modest grove]

advised opener?

[strong forum]

ravager->charge+avatar->SB+demoshout->dragon roar->shield charge->shield slam->thunderclap

and then go from there

use IP as needed

[modest grove]

👍🏻

[tropic gorge]

happy friday guys!
What's a good embelishment to put on the primal molten defender?

ty

[toxic pewter]

Actually disregard my post

[tropic gorge]

i was gonna put the food buff on a ring after i make a belt. gonna craft a shield first

[spark cedar]

Can anyone recommend a Prot warrior UI setup without elvui as it kills my PC?

[wary pasture]

So i have a question regarding trinkets, i currently have a heroic Icon, Heroic Totem of the master, Blazebinder's Hoof, Granyth's Enduring scale, and a Rumbling ruby

[toxic pewter]

Yeah shield may be bad spot cuz if you switch to arms or fury having it on ring may make more sense. But also keep in mind 10.0.7 we will have a new ring. I personally have the food buff extender on my shield but when I play arms I do find myself missing it.

[wary pasture]

which trinkets would you reccomend for me in raid

[toxic pewter]

I personally would prob just use icon and all totem. All totem loses value when not tanking though, so may not be the correct pick in the big picture but I like all totem

[undone verge]

seems like the answer for raid is icon, and find a better trinket

isnt hoof pretty good tho, got like 600 haste and strength on use

[toxic pewter]

Yah i never used it before but it is better than all totem for raid

Icon and hoof is the best duo probably

[round pendant]

fuck sake man

I only parsed 98 on this heroic eggnog

cause the kill was so slow I bet

[sick sentinel]

something is up with the black color of horns here (its fine aster restart pc)

[strong forum]

Woah it's the crt dragon

[slim dove]

eggnog parsing is literally just who pads harder on adds

its a lmao fight

even on mythic the fucking captain dies so quick cause everyone holds CDs for "muh parse"

[round pendant]

cool I parsed 99 on terros

[round pendant]

Yeah it's annoying

[sick sentinel]

if i valor my hands and wrists and hoof i can hit the first haste threshhold

[crystal mauve]

Last set of adds on mythic the adds died in 3 GCD lol

[slim dove]

Our two fury warriors save everything for first add spawn

[sick sentinel]

i had some amazing ring drop and i traded it to a pug lol

[slim dove]

The idea of me parsing on that fight as prot is a forgotten joke

[round pendant]

Ask them to let you pump

[slim dove]

ngl who cares

its a free boss

[round pendant]

Fun to try to get a 99/100

[slim dove]

not really

just needless stress.

[sick sentinel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1080212533069234246/image.png

[hallow phoenix]

Pretty

[sick sentinel]

this ring, i should have never traded it away god damnnit

[hallow phoenix]

Lmao

[sick sentinel]

440 haste socket

[crystal mauve]

I like it when I can pump and get nice parses but if I have to setup and ask around to do things it’s just too@much work and stress for nothing (at least for me)

[sick sentinel]

i alweays do this shit, i get some loot and someone wants it so i give it to them

[hallow phoenix]

If it has haste crit I keep

Or vers

[sick sentinel]

even without a socket next one of those that drops im just keepin it

[clever ginkgo]

Anyone know any good websites for M+ routes?

[slim dove]

hold w.

[toxic pewter]

That ring won’t matter soon we getting cool ring

[clever ginkgo]

ah yes, ol' reliable

W

[hallow phoenix]

Keystone gurus I think

[slim dove]

simplest season for routes ever

av frog skip is the only "tech" you really need to know

[clever ginkgo]

agree, but at +20 it optimization makes a difference

[slim dove]

not really

[hallow phoenix]

I miss atal dazar and shrine of the storms / motherlode

[sick sentinel]

i hate atal dazar due to the timer

[clever ginkgo]

Idk if we're gonna agree on that, but regardless I apprciate the link!

[sick sentinel]

undersuck is the worst

[hallow phoenix]

Underrot sucked for sure

[sick sentinel]

cuz, every god damn trash has a wipe group thing

[hallow phoenix]

Shrine became my groups baby. So much time spent in that dungeon

[slim dove]

nothing below a 22 needs any special pulling or route

[toxic pewter]

Honestly I miss all of the bfa dungeons

I think they are all great

[slim dove]

hell even 23-24s are hold W if your dps pump

[sick sentinel]

shrine was if you could kill the 3rd boss you were good to go

long as everyone just looked for circles p2 final boss

[hallow phoenix]

Last boss could get tricky on tyrannical

[sick sentinel]

boss 2 didnt matter because it only gains dmg when u interupt under the 1 effect she has

[hallow phoenix]

Reflecting third boss and being top dps oh baby

[sick sentinel]

so that was a u fucking up thing, and u just had entire team stop all interupt during that

cuz ppl go brr interupt her

[toxic pewter]

It’s wild how much hate bfa got

And still gets

But I actually liked it a lot

[slim dove]

cuz coming from legion it felt like garbage

[toxic pewter]

That is true legion was better

[slim dove]

azurite armor was an awful replacement for artifact weapons

[toxic pewter]

Order halls were insane

How much content that was

[toxic pewter]

True it was worse but I think bfa was a “greater than the sum of its parts” xpac

[slim dove]

I fully admit i quit bfa halfway through mythic prog in uldir

so it may have gotten better idk

legion initially felt like shit unless you got omegapog lucky with legendary drops

[toxic pewter]

Yah it took a long time to get my initial legendary

Was shaman boots lol

[sick sentinel]

if i wanted to, i could have so much haste right now

[round pendant]

ok maybe trying to parse well is too much stress

I just got legitimately mad that my co-tank taunted the spider add away from me on sennarth

[slim dove]

Pretty sure I spent more time farming maw of souls then actually raiding in legion at first.

[round pendant]

lmao