protection

[pallid quiver]

Don't forget the mobs you have to look at that nobody will look at 🙂

[vernal sky]

shadowpan monastery for example yuck

[silk ether]

so that's where this season's irritating affix's villain origin story is

I'd like to do m+ in that dungeon with the tank at the end

and the part where you bomb all the trash trying to run up the wall to you

unless they're 2 different ones

[vernal sky]

tbh i think thundering is one of the reasons i get sick of m+

[slim dove]

the ground effect spam is def getting old.

quaking + thundering on last boss nok

[vernal sky]

i hate the way most pugs play with thundering, i.e. "it doesn't exist until my weakaura yells at me to clear and then i panic run into melee"

[silk ether]

quaking on hyrja storm -_-

[vernal sky]

seen so many keys ruined by that behaviour on stuff like AV first boss

[silk ether]

yeah it's like the absurd number of mechanics is hard enough without playing against your own game systems

I worry that I'm just getting too old for this shit though, because it does feel insanely mechanically bloated to me with all the ground effects and shit but I don't know if I'm getting mechanically challenged or it is actually absurd

like I'm doing my keys and generally not dying to mechanics but it's more stressful and requires more concentration than college exams

[vernal sky]

tbh i think the main problem is not really how "difficult" mechanics are, most of them are really easy

it's just that it requires 5 people to not fuck up for 30-40 mins

[silk ether]

individually none of the mechanics are particularly difficult it's just when they overlap and then you are constantly under threat of getting one shot in a 5 mob trash pack for 30 seconds

[vernal sky]

and it goes on for 30-40 min yeah

there are games with pug content that's harder but it's way shorter

[silk ether]

there were some difficult pulls in SL but like I don't remember every pack having one shot mechanics in keys. Like the big automatons in spires had to be interrupted, other things hurt but you didn't just die to them

maybe some of the venthyr dungeon packs, especially SD

but again not every pack had a potential one shot mechanic let alone multiple ones

[vernal sky]

for example if you look at monster hunter games, i'd say their mechanics are much harder than wow's, and most of the content is puggable there

but it's also way shorter

you don't have to focus nearly as long

in that same spirit tbh i'd welcome a world in which tyrannical is still a "boss affix" but it'd make the bosses harder without just adding a ton of hp

4min+ dungeon bosses are an abomination in my book, they don't do nearly enough to keep you interested for that long

[sick sentinel]

i cant stand cos, hov im in love with

[warm plinth]

I don't really see why they need to be longer. The extra damage is enough of an affix

Like if fort was just 30% trash damage and tyr was just 15% boss damage, I think they'd be a lot more tolerable

[sick sentinel]

that's a bad dps issue

or your team put them in a bad position

[vernal sky]

or just higher keys on certain bosses

[sick sentinel]

you always have some form of single target dmg even as aoe specced, so if its taking too long, bad dps fore whatever reason, or what you said, its over tuned

[warm plinth]

4 min dungeon bosses are not a bad DPS issue if you're doing high tyrannical keys

[sick sentinel]

its hard to tell where the line is with that

[warm plinth]

It's very common to have 4 min boss fights on tyrannical weeks. Always has been.

[slim dove]

4 min dungeon bosses with intermissions is the norm.

eg worm, azureblade

[vernal sky]

to be completely honest, im not doing such high keys that i'd encounter that, but knowing that it does exist does not make me want to even try getting there

[slim dove]

not every boss fight is cos 2nd where you just target dummy the boss for 2-3 mins

[sick sentinel]

4 minute boss fights and then 30 minute timers (TJS) doesn't work

tahts the issue

[warm plinth]

Hell we've had bosses in the past that were like 6 minutes. Fucking first boss of Mists on high tyrannical was so awful

[slim dove]

they "work" fine

its just boring as fuck

like mari on high tyr is actual sleeper

[warm plinth]

Or Hakkar pre-nerf

[sick sentinel]

well, it eats into your key timer too much

cuz the key is already short timed

[slim dove]

azureblade on high tyr where im just mentally praying someone doesn't fall asleep and get hit by orb

[warm plinth]

You save quite a bit of time by the trash having 30% less health

[warm plinth]

ngl he still does intermission too much imo

[slim dove]

absolutely

[sick sentinel]

i'd always prefer a 42 minute dungeon to a 31 minute dungeon

[slim dove]

hell no

fuck hov timer

[sick sentinel]

i mean, depends with the dungeon is

[warm plinth]

I heard the last boss orbs got hotfixed today? Orbs aren't chasing people

[sick sentinel]

SBG is fuckin free

[vernal sky]

imo the real problem is that you've got a boss that does jack shit but still takes ages to die

[sick sentinel]

i can't think of another shitty 30 minute one we have now, i want to say AV thats 32/34

its tight timed for me as is

[warm plinth]

Yeah like, Wise Mari literally does damage with one mechanic the entire fight if you have a kick rotation

And don't get hit by shit you're not supposed to

So it's one person getting hit by a mechanic every like, 20 seconds

And that's it

Literally fall asleep doing that boss lol

Then you have last boss where he's like I am going to shit on your DPS for the next 3 minutes

[sick sentinel]

the main way i see people fuck up mari is that they don't go to his back side when he casts the water cannon

cuz the water cannon goes left or right, and thats RNG far as i can ttell

[warm plinth]

it is, yes

[vernal sky]

or they rush too fast through the water instead of playing it safe

[sick sentinel]

so the safe is to get to his back side, then ut never blindsided thinking iw wount come ur way

[vernal sky]

as long as you're not directly in front of him when he starts, you always got time to change platform

[sick sentinel]

you lessen then time to react, by standing close

is my point

[vernal sky]

true

[warm plinth]

The play is really to start far and move in once you know which direction you're going

Because you can get around him faster on the inner ring

[sick sentinel]

i wonder, and probably is true

i bet the alternate left and right

but the first is RNG

[warm plinth]

They don't. It's totally random

[sick sentinel]

someone tagged him in our baby key while a guy was dead, so ran out to zone him out can't do that

have to all walk outside to reset him

[warm plinth]

[reef holly]

What’s up with the trash leading to wise Mari? I swear in 90% of my pugs there are so many deaths in that corridor

[warm plinth]

There's a buttload of group damage in that corridor

[vernal sky]

people need to los or use defensives and usually pugs do neither

[reef holly]

Yeah I try to tank the elementals near a corner for LoS, but that one aoe spell it casts is super quick

[warm plinth]

The droplets spam splash which does group-wide damage, the elementals do a periodic group-wide aoe, and the fish dudes spam hydrolance and cast an aoe (both of which should be kicked or stopped)

[sick sentinel]

its the water blob elite

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean, tbf, even in high keys that I've seen, people don't generally LoS the ripple. they just heal through it, which is doable as long as people aren't getting lanced generally

[sick sentinel]

you need to have him part way around a corner, then dps can LOS the cast

u can survive the cast, they cant

[turbid shuttle]

not part way around

[sick sentinel]

like, enough that dps can get LOS

[turbid shuttle]

you need to have him on the edge of the corner, but not peeking around

[reef holly]

Ahh got it- so is it best to nuke the droplets? And of course kick the lance?

[sick sentinel]

and he won't LOS just by existing

[warm plinth]

The droplets should die pretty fast on their own without any extra effort

[turbid shuttle]

tank the elemental on the corner. kick the tidal burst. shockwave the droplets at some point (preferably around the time of a ripple for idiots that don't los)

[warm plinth]

They have pretty low HP

[reef holly]

Yeah that’s basically what I do, I feel like that corridor is a healer check

[warm plinth]

LoSing the ripple can definitely help if the healer is struggling

[vernal sky]

since you cant know if the dps can live or not you should give them the option to los the big cast but yeah the small blobs need to be killed and healed through (with defensives)

[turbid shuttle]

imo, lust 1st pull every week

[warm plinth]

I generally open with feint on that first pull and then cloak if I start to drop low (I main rogue)

And yeah, that pack should be your 1st lust every week

[turbid shuttle]

if you want to be gigachad, you pull 2 elemental + 1 caster 1st pull with lust

[warm plinth]

There is absolutely no reason to lust the boss

[reef holly]

1st pack with droplets and elemental?

[turbid shuttle]

droplets + elemental + caster minimum

[warm plinth]

We do the first 2 packs yeah

Which is the tidal burst guy and elemental + their droplets

[turbid shuttle]

but if you want to be huge, you do 2 elementals

[vernal sky]

if you can trust your group to live through it why not

[turbid shuttle]

there's a bit of a tech to getting 2 elementals

[vernal sky]

hard to judge as tank cause you wont be the one dying

[turbid shuttle]

because you want to sync their casts

so you need to charge caster, leap through the 1st elemental around the corner to the 2nd elemental

and aggro both same time

then pull back to either 1st corner or 2nd corner

[reef holly]

Yeah not sure about that in a pug at least not in mine

[turbid shuttle]

this will sync the ripples

what's key level?

[sick sentinel]

something like this i think, is what you rdo

[turbid shuttle]

below like i dunno 22-24 or so there's no reason to triple first pull

but you can if you want

also never triple first pull fort

[sick sentinel]

not saying what pulls to do, just postions for them sorry

[reef holly]

15-16. Finally completed a 16 the other day. That place just kills

[sick sentinel]

cuz tehres 2 of those guys, last one is pepega los'ing

[turbid shuttle]

at 15-16 just press W yeah

[warm plinth]

On +20 fortified, the ripple does about 110k initially and then ticks for around 20-30k for 5 ticks, so it's definitely healable, especially with lust going

[vernal sky]

i guess whether you triple pull or not depends on your faith in humanity

ive seen too many fiestas where multiple people die with cooldowns unused

[sick sentinel]

if you attempt that pull, you will become an hero

[turbid shuttle]

whether triple pull succeeds or not is mostly up to the tank tbh

like obviously dps need to los, but that's basic shit you expect out of every dps in a reasonable key level

and in low key you don't need it so don't bother (to triple pull that is)

[vernal sky]

i agree in theory but judging by the amount of people i see getting hit by the enforcer's cast in 22s, 23s despite bringing her to a good spot

anything that's not super standard is proscribed in pugs in my book

maybe i'm too pessimistic

[slim dove]

lmao last week my dh teammate

tanking fort/raging enforce blasts

and still living

fight is so boring to tank

(all of votl is)

[sacred flare]

What trinket should I go with torch. icon, flame or Master

[turbid shuttle]

in m+ all-totem stronk

[vernal sky]

just did a 22 cos tonight with a 2.8 team, told them i'd go into the first imp pack solo to reflect

they all followed i had to stun

i repeated for the 2nd imp pack, they still followed, i purposefully let them cast so they'd learn

the druid dies and says "well done tank"

https://tenor.com/view/math-hmm-processing-gif-10273186

[fallow nova]

Your job is to make everything work, not to communicate

Duh

[hidden ether]

any advice for a 21 AA this week. it sounds like hell to me

[warm plinth]

Had the same thing happen to me except the Dh didn't even wait for me to get to the pack. He just went in on his own 😂

I also told them ahead of time that I would go in first alone

[vernal sky]

have lust on bird, plan cds for every other 2nd lasher spawn on tree, have lust on vexximus

[hidden ether]

Im dumb I meant AV

[warm plinth]

ring skip

idk. It's not fortified so

[vernal sky]

man..

[hidden ether]

ive tried to look that up but havent hand any luck do you just jump off the edge and use heroic leap?

[warm plinth]

Uh, you can do that or you can go to shadowlands and get the parasol. To leap you have to go off the outer edge of the ring though, not the inside where people with a slow fall will go

[hidden ether]

is it worth the effort of fortified?

all of this is if i ever get a healer to apply

[warm plinth]

You always do one skip or the other. Frogs are just far easier trash than the ring so I prefer doing the ring skip

[sick sentinel]

vaults is a tough time

2nd boss and final boss are hard

[hidden ether]

i hate the final boss so much

[warm plinth]

supposedly final boss got something of a nerf. The orbs just move around in a small area now apparently and don't follow people?

That's what I was told earlier anyway

[turbid shuttle]

just did 21 AV with like 4 min left and no ring skip. ez pz.

[sick sentinel]

final boss isn't scary, its just hard

its a checkmate fight

[turbid shuttle]

it's tyrannical you can giga pull basically everything in the rings/frog areas

[warm plinth]

idk I don't think last boss is hard personally

[turbid shuttle]

ring skip isn't even efficient

[warm plinth]

How isn't it efficient

[turbid shuttle]

you're replacing 8 mob pulls with 5 mob pulls

the mobs themselves aren't any more efficient than the ones you're replacing

like do it if you want, but frogs are so free

the second ring you can triple pull easily

[warm plinth]

Ring skip kills frogs. Frog skip doesn't

[turbid shuttle]

the first ring you can pull practically the whole ring

albeit a bit chained

sorry by skip I meant the route that pulls 100% before 2nd boss and skips all frogs

and replaces with the whelp packs

I said ring skip I should have said frog skip

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah, no. That's the frog skip. I think skipping frogs is dumb as hell

[hidden ether]

anyone have a video of ring skip?

[warm plinth]

Literally freest trash in the dungeon

[turbid shuttle]

freest trash in the entire expansion

[warm plinth]

I think I have a VoD of it if you look on my twitch. I'd link it but I can't access twitch at work unfortunately

https://twitch.tv/dooteranopia if no one provides a better option. I think we did AV like...feb 16th?

[hidden ether]

gonna straight W it and learn skip if we fail

[cloud umbra]

i still think skipping frogs and playing shards is more efficient

[hidden ether]

annnd DH left before the first boss was even done

[timber forge]

guys.. farming primal with my alt on 16~keys.. sbg still the most easy/fast dg this week? ty

[turbid shuttle]

1st boss AV is actually the boss with the most tank skill expression in the entire season

[turbid shuttle]

yes

[hidden ether]

why is that? just positioning and gathering the adds?

[turbid shuttle]

hitting 6 trees with every frontal

if you position just right, you hit the 2 middle trees + split 2 packs of trees on the outer ring

[warm plinth]

I just wanna know why the guy's frontal is so fucking terrible

[hidden ether]

ahh i just hit 3 and call it good I should get better

[warm plinth]

well, the most important ones to hit are the middle ones

If you hit 0 other trees that will make it pretty easy to get the rest

[cloud umbra]

im a 6 tree andy on the blast haha

[warm plinth]

But any extras you can get are big

[cloud umbra]

ill move the boss all the way around if i have to

[turbid shuttle]

getting 6 trees just makes it so so easy

[warm plinth]

yep

[cloud umbra]

yep you can almost always do it

[noble mortar]

does spell block have any effect toward lightning jaws?

[hidden ether]

Yeah fighting first boss, have him at 20% hp. DH leaves he is only doing 50k dps

[cloud umbra]

thunder jaw?

[turbid shuttle]

the thunderhead tank buster? that's physical pretty sure

not 100% could be wrong

[cloud umbra]

its both

[toxic pewter]

It’s nature and physical

[noble mortar]

the raz tank swap sorry i might be mislabeling it

[toxic pewter]

But yeah I think it blocks the nature portion

[warm plinth]

Same thing for Rasz

Both physical and magic, physical is blockable, magic portion is spell blockable

[noble mortar]

much appreciated.

[undone verge]

we gotta talk about the true best fight to tank, nzoth

or carapace

ngl I loved tanking nyalotha

or maut

[hallow phoenix]

carapace was my jam

so much padding

[ionic fern]

Neat.

[merry trout]

god this week is soo annoying, every single +16 and above i did failed so far

[ionic fern]

Due to healers?

👀

[merry trout]

yeah healers are unable to keep up but cant blame them, most of em are doing good hps tbh

[ionic fern]

It is a rough week for them tbh.

Jeah, exactly.

[merry trout]

av feels impossible

[ionic fern]

I had more trouble in Nokhud tbh. 😂

Last 3 bosses with Grevious/Tyrannical seem like a huge pain.

[shut wing]

Could anyone help me with a log review?

Just hit 2.7k looking to push higher

[ionic fern]

Only if you agree to ping Nomeratur on Wednesday to ask what to take from your Vault and then argue about what ever he says.

[shut wing]

Sir yes sir

[ionic fern]

Deal. Show the log.

[shut wing]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/agamaggan/femboybussyx

Let’s take this to the DMs

[merry trout]

i can just imagine the pain haha

[ionic fern]

So...what am i looking at exactly?
Sounded like you wanted Dungeon advice but you have almost no recent dungeon logs. 👀
Shall i check at raid logs?

[mortal brook]

@strong forum Thoughts?

[ionic fern]

Take the neck.

[mortal brook]

i disagree

[ionic fern]

What? You think you should take the neck instead of the neck????

[shut wing]

Yes raid logs pls

That’s weird sorry idk why my dungeons aren’t logging

[mortal brook]

here's my raid line not that it matters

[stuck sequoia]

Option d - take the other neck

The one Outside of the screenshot

[ionic fern]

Ok.

Real normal Steve.

Real normal.

[mortal brook]

[potent gulch]

Number 1# on kurog. Perfect

[shut wing]

😭

Beast mode 😎

[mortal brook]

⏸️

[shut wing]

😳

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[warm plinth]

What a trash vault

[shut wing]

He about to cook me I just know it

[ionic fern]

1)You're not pressing buttons enough. Look at the CPM differences. You're also prioritising incorrectly. SS->TC->Revenge (or Execute when available)
2)You're not using your CD's enough. DS/Avatar/SC/Ravager
3)You're running a really weird talent build.

This was on Terros.

You want Battering Ram.

For most people it comes down to "Press buttons more" and/or "Press the correct buttons".

Like..your Avatar up-time was 37%..mine was 51%.

[shut wing]

Thank you king

[shut wing]

So revenge is highest priority?

[ionic fern]

Good morning.

[ionic fern]

Eh?

[merry trout]

revenge least prio

[ionic fern]

SS->TC->Revenge (or Execute when available)

That is the priority order.

From your casts it seems to be SS->Revenge->TC->Execute

[lost canyon]

how do you gets stay alive in crawth on tyran?

[ionic fern]

By using cooldowns.

[shut wing]

Got it Ty

[ionic fern]

The spec is all about generating Rage, hence the priority..use the buttons which generate Rage first, then use the spenders.

[lost canyon]

what about on a 23

[ionic fern]

By using cooldowns.

SW/DS/LS + IV into IP spam.

[mortal brook]

have the evoker remove the bleed 👍

[ionic fern]

You won't survive it solo - healer has to put in work as well.

You can just help mitigate it properly.

[lost canyon]

what is DS

[warm plinth]

Demoralizing Shout

But yeah, outside of screech there's 0 group damage so the healer should just be pumping you when needed

[shut wing]

Which fight did you use for reference?

[ionic fern]

Terros.

[shut wing]

With the screenshots

Rad Ty

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern Did you know that eye in the storm is not in raidbots?

[ionic fern]

What's that?

[warm plinth]

the phial

[mortal brook]

phial based on incoming targets hittin ya

[ionic fern]

Ah, okmay.

[ionic fern]

Fix your talent setup and go smack a dummy. Try to use everything on CD.
Make a WA if that helps you. I have one specific sound for when SS is off CD for example so i don't miss a beat.

[shut wing]

Yes captain

Mind linking wa?

I want the clown nose honk sound

[ionic fern]

At work currently.
Remind me in like..6h.

It should be fairly easy to create tho.

[shut wing]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-nose-joker-funny-dropped-gif-23619188

[ionic fern]

As it's just a Sound + light up icon when SS available.

[shut wing]

Thank you for the help

[ionic fern]

I expect +5k DPS logs next week on Terros from you.

[mortal brook]

6k dps, got it

[ionic fern]

I should try to do a raid.

Where i do the bare minimum to DPS.

See if i can get the lowest DPS logs.

[warm plinth]

You must aspire to my Mythic Ra-den log Mwahi

[shut wing]

I am number one on Kurog so good luck

[shut wing]

https://tenor.com/view/kenzotgm-gif-26421039

[ionic fern]

Why isn't there a "Last" button when checking logs.

[warm plinth]

😂

I just go to the 2nd page then change the page number by 100 or 500 or whatever until I reach the end

in the URL

[ionic fern]

.................................................................

[warm plinth]

I'm a simple man

I am a third of the way through my SQL course 😮

[fresh igloo]

how are you liking it

[warm plinth]

It's not bad. Seems pretty easy to pick up

[covert topaz]

Any one got a decent talent build for Raz Mythic (Just want to compare what im using currently)

[warm plinth]

I took a Vizio class in college so at least the diagrams are somewhat familiar

[fresh igloo]

the basic logic of SQL is pretty easy to get.

[warm plinth]

Trying to get a leg up on a job I'm applying for at the end of the month

[fresh igloo]

it gets complicated again when you start trying to do performance tuning and such.

data analysis type job?

[warm plinth]

I'm not sure how far I'm going to be getting into it; I don't know a ton about what the position entails exactly but it's an analyst position

Yep

[fresh igloo]

cool cool... do you know which RDBMS of choice you might be working with? or which one the course is teaching?

[warm plinth]

They're teaching with SQLite. I'm not 100% on which one we use in my company

She has covered some of the differences in syntax on a few things so far though

[fresh igloo]

ah ok. SQLite is good for learning but is very loose on datatypes, so that can be an adjustment if you go to something like MySQL or MS SQL Server

i'm surprised the course isn't in mysql, that seems to be what most of the academics favor (cuz it's free and popular)

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm planning on doing some research and maybe taking classes on some of the other major RDBMS too, even after I get the job (hopefully)

Just to get more knowledge

Figure it can't hurt to get ahead of the curve

[fresh igloo]

I'm partial to MS SQL Server. If i were to pick another to dig in to deep i'd go for postgres.

[ionic fern]

Think the best starting place is to look at wlogs.

[warm plinth]

Thanks for the tip! The only experience I have with SQL prior to this is using MySQL back in like 2007 in conjunction with Tmorph so I could change my druid's cat form to a worgen 😂

[ionic fern]

Seems to be a pretty standard build.

[fresh igloo]

mysql is very popular and has a place, but personally I hate it, it lets unaware people do some very silly things haha

[ionic fern]

I love MySql.

I'm biased tho.

So.

🤷

[fresh igloo]

anyways, heading to bed. good luck in your course!

[fresh igloo]

aren't we all 😉

[warm plinth]

thanks man

[potent gulch]

yesterday at reclear at Senath, I fall down 2 times . Active time 80%. Had 80 seconds of pure running around.
Still got 90% log

[ionic fern]

[wanton bridge]

any good tmog suggestions for a shield to go with the fel-automaton armour from the trading post? VERY important prot question I know

all I got atm

[blazing condor]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/transmogrification-all-classes-shield-armor-item-model-list

here's the whole list of shields

there are many green/fel ones you can go for

[wanton bridge]

ohhh ty

[blazing condor]

doesnt seem to be very updated though

i just saw

but still

[wanton bridge]

ty, ive found a few cool ones already

[hardy snow]

you can check ingame (shift+P->appearances), you can see what you have as well as uncollected ones

[wanton bridge]

Did not know that, ty

the best one ive found is from Siege LFR lol

damnit

[blazing condor]

you can do solo LFR by manually queuing into it

from an npc

if its siege of orgrimmar i think the npc is above the raid by the lorewalkers

[ionic fern]

What.

I diddn't even know IV had a mog section.

[blazing condor]

then you're not a true mogchamp like me

remember i used to use it before the dressing room thing came

[ionic fern]

Je, i have like 0 mogs.

Running the basic BRF set.

[blazing condor]

mogs are half the game

[ionic fern]

Ee.

No.

[blazing condor]

the rest is flying around aimlessly

[wanton bridge]

yeah Im not normally a mog person I just wear the old blizzcon onsie on every toon so I had NFI about any of this lol

[blazing condor]

the dressing room is a better resource though

[wanton bridge]

Ive mained a druid for so long that mog doesnt matter

[inner hound]

coin/noggenfogger enjoyer then

[chilly brook]

You didn’t use the mog addon? SMH

[blazing condor]

wait maybe

what was the name of it

[chilly brook]

MogIt I think

It’s been so long

Removed it after the dressing room came around

But I was using it back in WoD

[blazing condor]

idk i think i just used atlasloot

did it that way

[chilly brook]

It had all the appearances, could make sets and link them etc.

MogIt was BiS

[blazing condor]

oh yeah

i think i had it for a little while

[chilly brook]

Also had individual pieces

[blazing condor]

yee i definitely used it

[ionic fern]

"Oh, look, a cool piece that suits the mog i wanna create!!"
0.0000001% drop chance

[chilly brook]

What else were you gonna do before the introduction of m+

[ionic fern]

Not play?

Just raid log.

[blazing condor]

i remember i farmed a pair of level 19 BoE green gloves because i wanted them for mog

and wailing caverns had semi high drop chance

[chilly brook]

Or you could be drippy af

[blazing condor]

so i would pull it all and then have to loot everyone individually cus AoE loot wasn't a thing

[chilly brook]

The drip

[blazing condor]

Full set

[ionic fern]

[chilly brook]

It’s actually not

Surprisingly

[blazing condor]

shoulders and belt ... ?

thats it?

[chilly brook]

Two different shoulders

[blazing condor]

oh yea

thats a thing

[chilly brook]

Chest/legs and I think gloves are same?

Can’t find pics of goblin mog

Ah yes the gobbo drip

[dusk tulip]

With higher thranical HoV's what's the defensive CD rotation looking like for hyrja? I find myself panicking and over committing and dicking myself later on abit of a noob question Ik haha

[chilly brook]

Typically you don’t want to stack defensives

Granted I also haven’t done many keys this season tbh

But uhh you should be able to do SR+something for each

[ionic fern]

Dstance + SW + IP
Dstance + SpellBlock + IP
Dstance + DS + SR + IP
DStance + SW + IP

Etcetcetc

Pop a LS with a trinket + SR

Improvise.

Oh, and IV before every blast to ensure you're at full HP.

[dusk tulip]

Yeah that's the issue I'm having I panic and overcommit multiple out of fear of dying then have nothing left towards the end haha somewhat new to tanking higher keys

[chilly brook]

I’d always shield wall first though

To take advantage of AM

[chilly brook]

Part of it is learning exactly what you need to commit and what you can get away with not using

[ionic fern]

Everyone hating on Decoration of Flame.
I'm a big enjoyer of it on high tyrannical keys.

[dusk tulip]

I like the look of the brackenhide trinket for next season

[chilly brook]

But d stance and SR should be available every time she does big hit

So really only need to commit one CD probably to each

Just like Mwahi was saying

[strong forum]

It'll be so broken if they don't nerf it

[dusk tulip]

I kinda hope they don't gives you a nice treat for sticking out the dungeon

[strong forum]

It'll be effectively like a 600k++ shield

[dusk tulip]

Give every class an ignore pain 🤣

[strong forum]

And we get quadruple benefit off of it

Cuz IP will still work while the trinket is active

[dusk tulip]

I wonder how the self damage will scale

[strong forum]

The shield of the trinket itself will already absorb half of it

[dusk tulip]

Yeah I just wonder if it'll end up being like a 300k self hit lmao

[strong forum]

Nah

[blazing condor]

will they rotate out CoS and HoV and shit next season too?

[strong forum]

Yes

[ionic plank]

this is +20 vault ilvl next tier probably

[blazing condor]

pog

man i'd wanna have HC deadmines in m+ that shit is dope

but it would suck to run

do the whole vanessa gauntlet after 40 mins

[lime urchin]

BRD m+ 😍

[faint mica]

Vault of the wardens last boss would be funny again haha

[ionic fern]

Give me MoS, so i have a fast dungeon to spam for the weeklies.

[shell mortar]

After HoV, people still think Legion keys are easy without the Legion stops

[ionic fern]

Uh?

90% of failed HoV keys come down to melees getting cleave by frontals 24/7 in my experience. Interrupts are barely an issue.

👀

[high basalt]

Hey guys anyone use afenar weak aura pack and know why shield wall only shows one 1 charge when I’m talented into 2? Thanks guys

[warm plinth]

when's the last time you updated it

[high basalt]

I only installed it last night mate?

@warm plinth mate does yours shows 2 charges?

[sterile bough]

ye very fun dungeon u have 3 casters in every pack and i u miss 1 interupt some1 dies or mobs heal to full, hyrjia is unplayable on high keys in pugs, wolves are fucking bugged, odyn is dog

[warm plinth]

It fixed the problem for someone else that asked. I have never found a need for that talent personally.

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

Try deleting it entirely and reinstalling it

[high basalt]

Ok thanks mate will do

[rough egret]

Is it known which dungeouns will be part of S2 besides 4DF ones?

[warm plinth]

Nope

Take it as you will but I heard a very unconfirmed "leak" that it was going to be The Maw, The Arcway, Mogushan Palace, and Skyreach

[ionic fern]

Know what would be hilarious?
An affix which randomly changes your role in the group.
"Every 5m you swap roles with one of your teammates for 30s".
DPS'ers randomly being forced to tank would be great.

Maybe then they would learn to interrupt things which hurt.

[remote venture]

I think Thundering should an Affix after the season. I really like its team effort affix and not "healer has to work harder"

[blazing condor]

violet hold for m+

just stand there

[modest grove]

Crystallised bulwark or primal molten defender? Which is better?

[rough egret]

[hardy snow]

werent there some recently tuning done to few old dungeons? probably they can be considered as next season, thus tuning done, but I dont remember which dungs it was done to

[ionic plank]

it was arcway and underrot, but I thought they said they aren’t doing bfa dungeons this expansion so not sure about that

[hardy snow]

I wouldn't stick to Blizz words in this regards.. They sometimes says one thing, but later its something different later in the season.

[ionic plank]

true but I also wouldnt trust that the tuning wasn't for some random, unknown reason that affects 3 people who run them for tmog

[night heron]

Hello guys, I have a question. I'm doing +20 mythics with my prot warrior and I'm almost always using the same talents because it doesn't seem a lot of variation is needed. However it seems that statistically speaking the node which makes you choose between Into the Fray and Heavy Repercussions is pretty divided amongst players. How and when should I pick one over another?

[dense coral]

@trail sable Gratz on the world first 28+ (CoS)

[ionic fern]

Just default into HR. It's the safer/easier option and won't cost you much.

[night heron]

Alright, I'll try it out then! Because I've been playing with into the fray until now and I didn't really feel I had shield block uptime issues, and the extra haste feels pretty great

[ionic fern]

If you have 95%+ blocked hits with ITF, go ham and play with it.

[night heron]

Okay, thanks a lot for the advice! 😄

[sick sentinel]

Hey guys! Newb here 😦
I want to craft the Primal Longsword 418 and want to know the „Right“ Embellishment.
I have Seen this comment here, but I am not sure if I understand correctly:
Q: Which Embellishments should I use/Spark should I craft on??
A: The power target for Embellishments seems to be around 1% power gain over having none at all, so theyre not that important to have the ABSOLUTE best one.“
Means - it does not matter Which embellishment? 🫣 Thanks! 😊

[ionic fern]

Yes, Embellishments are roughly equal in power.
Generally Lariat + Frostfire belt are the go-to's.

[hardy snow]

the only embelish that matters is frostfire belt IF you have raid rings to proc

[sick sentinel]

Okay Thank you guys for clarification! 🙂

[potent harbor]

Hey guys need advice for route this week for my 22aa i dont even know if i should play this week, are keys around 21 or 22 doable with pugs?

I mean those affixes

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[potent harbor]

@night heron week ago i had same discussion here with ITF vs HR i had 5300 haste And with itf still almost full uptime, problém fór me was u had to focus on it all the time which Is mentaly exhausting, with hr u just know Its up all the time And with my haste i feel super good with hr anyway

@ionic fern but its rly about healer or have dpsers who can heal aswell im assuming? Like sh priest, enha sham etc?

Guess sh priest Is king this week, md bursting, off heals, nice dmg

[ionic fern]

21-22 isn't even that high of a key level. Healers just need to focus on healing a bit more than usual and DPS'ers can't be monging/extending bursting stacks. You can also adjust your pulls accordingly (maybe not as big, don't chain pull etc).

[wintry lily]

This is going to sound dumb as hell but it's my first time regularly tanking. When DBM pops up saying defensive, what should I be doing? My go to is Shield Wall, but that's besides having Shield Block and Ignore Pain running

[ionic fern]

👀
Idk, when does DBM pop up and say "Defensive"?

Not even a troll question..i'm just not using it.
Generally speaking it's good to know the damage profile of the dungeon.

Most of the big/dangerous casts are outlined in the BLockable/Reflectable sheet in the pins.
What's magical?
What's physical?
If it's physical, is it blockable?

[wintry lily]

Ok I’ll check it

[ionic fern]

If anything remains unclear, feel free to ask more specifically.

[wintry lily]

Yeah that’s why I said it sounded dumb because even in my head it felt too general

It’s been hard to practice, the group I run with is mostly in 11+ and I’m not quite there yet

[night heron]

Yeah, I see what you mean about having to focus about it
I'll check my haste without ITF and might give it a go to see if it doesnt feel to clumsy

[timid coyote]

When watching some streams I've noticed people have mob major ability cooldowns on their frames (Shadow slash in CoS, Dark Claw in TJS etc etc) and I was wondering what does that. Is it part of plater or a WA?

[lime urchin]

whoa! a woijoij hatchling! welcome to Skyhold Kriesvater. Make sure you thunderclap and revenj as much as possible!

[ionic fern]

If it's Magical: Demoralizing Shout / Spell Reflection / Shield Wall + Ignore Pain
If it's Physical and blockable: Shield Block + Ignore Pain
If it's physical but NOT blockable : Demoralizing Shout / Shield Wall + Ignore Pain

@wintry lily

But again..you need to know what type of magic it is, and if it's blockable or not. 😦

[wintry lily]

Yeah I'll check the pins

[sick sentinel]

i still think nomer is a crazy man for using wow up

i think wow up sucks hard personally compared to curse forge

[ionic fern]

Ok.

[sick sentinel]

what the upside wowup has compared to Cf?

[round pendant]

Who cares? It does the same thing

I open it and press update and then close it

[sick sentinel]

yeah true is just like im a ford chevy truck man and then i jump into a nissan truck

[round pendant]

and no ads on wowup right? :)

[sick sentinel]

its all the same, but different, kinda curious differences is all, if i can find a reason its better than curse forge, i may delete CF, vice versa if wow up continues to be not as good say

[round pendant]

oh it does have ads, gross

[sick sentinel]

ads, ads never change

oh, if you use it with curse, it requires ads, thats how that works,

[ionic plank]

there was a stage where overwolf was allegedly crypto mining malware and a lot of people didnt like the idea of having it, it also used to add loads of other shit to your pc and just generally be annoying

so wowup was used as an alternative and worked very well

I used it for a time

and I guess if it aint broke dont fix it

but curseforge did something to try and stop wowup and other addon managers from working

and I had overwolf for other things, so I switched to curseforge

[sick sentinel]

i use curse personally because it contains outplayed (how i can so quickly show shots of what happened in my dungeon after the fact) and my addons, so, thats my argument 🙂

[ionic plank]

I dont think it's really an argument, wowup works fine as an addon manager and if you dont use overwolf for anything else then there's no reason to have it on your pc 🙂

[distant crystal]

does wowup work fine again?

it was very broken for a minute

[sick sentinel]

nvidia one doesnt work quite as good imo

for recordings,

[ionic plank]

well apparently 🤷‍♂️ I stopped using it because it broke

[ionic plank]

yeah I use shadowplay, in my opinion it works fine

but each to their own

[sick sentinel]

the one i use now works perfect, just have to activate it after pc turns on

seperates each video into its own folders

i don't know if i ever tried shadwoplay, or if i did, it didn't at the time work for some reason, no idea

[round pendant]

shadowplay buggy as fuck for me

just turns itself off randomly

Never used to be like that

[shell mortar]

Weakaura. Enemy spell CDs by reloe or something like that. Just search for Reloe and check his WAs

[distant crystal]

my gm records raid with shadowplay, works fine but sometimes he forgets to turn off the recording

shows up with a full HD next raid night

and 60hrs of his desktop on video

[void skiff]

Any recommendations for prot specific WA or addons? Using shield maid currently to track shield block and ignore pain but that’s about it besides my general ones for all classes

[shell mortar]

That's about it

Just track CDs

[void skiff]

Is there a good one for spell reflect-able abilities coming in or is that just going to be memorizing what can and can’t be reflected

[shell mortar]

There is, Spell Reflect Essentials

[oak echo]

i also use this but i guess it's no longer being updated so probably won't be useful after this season https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker

[round pendant]

You can use plater and give abilities you know are reflectable a different cast bar colour

[void skiff]

Thanks

[round pendant]

Also, check out Quazii's website/yt for UIs/WAs/Plater profiles

I use his plater profile

It doesn't have everything that's reflectable tho so you can add your own stuff

[amber ravine]

Any tips on the third boss in temple this week? I got absolutley fucked up last night in a 20. felt like a wet noodle. I have a dragon for my healer

im sure this is asked alot in here sorry if its a repeat

[round pendant]

It's asked a lot, check the pins

Basically you just want to rotate your cooldowns properly

[void skiff]

I havent gotten deep in to plater just yet. I’m going to here in a week when I get back to the states. Currently in a tent in Iraq on a laptop with a 5mbps connection so I’m playing very conservatively on addons and extras

[round pendant]

If your healer is on comms I think their external is pretty good for that boss

I know it's a bait talent but I run double shield wall specifically for that boss and the last pack in that dungeon

It makes it kinda chill

[amber ravine]

fuck its the first pin, lol

sorry, thanks fellas

[void skiff]

Druids seem to have a harder time than most with that boss as a healer in my experience as well

[round pendant]

Druids have a hard time with everything

[feral nebula]

what do you mean by saying "bait talent"?

[oak echo]

you get a lot less shield walls over a dungeon if you take it, so most people don't

but it can be nice for fights like that where you want it twice in quick succession

[void skiff]

Short term return for specific fight but an over all cd loss for defensive throughput over the entire course of the dungeon

[feral nebula]

ohh ok i see

[void skiff]

Besides Fenrir are there any fights with mechanics that can be made easier with intervene

[dusky canopy]

I run aegis in temple

Makes 3rd boss easier for me

+21 is my highest tjs tyr so far

[oak echo]

in terms of how it helps your group, the only other one that comes to mind is last boss of temple

i like to intervene healer so they don't have to kite their add

[void skiff]

Ok. But nothing else specifically note worthy mechanics wise on any of the bosses this tier

[oak echo]

but tbh i use it all the time now because i like the extra mobility though that's just personal pref

yeah nothing super noteworthy

[dusky canopy]

It’s basically a use it if you want it talent

[void skiff]

That’s why I was looking for specific utility so I could know what dungeons I wanted it on. Because currently I dont run it

[undone verge]

I wish our talent tree had multiple builds, instead of just slightly more aoe dmg, vs slightly more ST dmg

[oak echo]

ya if you only want it on certain dungeons i would say only halls, and a maybe for temple

[dusky canopy]

It depends what you view as useful I guess

Like you simply intervening for a aoe burst of damage could be “useful”

To put it simply you really don’t need it anywhere, but use it if you want to

And like stated above the mobility is kinda neat

[dusky canopy]

Imo our talent tree owns, what we have now is significantly better than some specs who have to give up all there boss damage for add damage and vice Versa

I think the rest of the specs should strive to be like ours

But that’s just my take

[round pendant]

They could fix it by making some talents not dogshit

like BSV and Bitter Immunity and some others

Barbaric Training

[undone verge]

Well the tree is good because it’s strong but I’d like diversity so I can play around with different stuff

[void skiff]

Could be worse. We could still have the old talent trees.

[lavish oracle]

I mean BSV is a good talent, we just don't have much call for it

[amber siren]

It's not

[lavish oracle]

Whatever you say

[amber siren]

Warrior damage profile is very little damage to spikes if things start to slip, BSV only procs at 30% or sub 30%

If you die above 30% HP, it doesn't proc

Literally terrible

[lavish oracle]

Mhm

[urban bane]

Did they fix it?

Because it wouldn't even be accurate to say it procs at 30% last I checked.

[amber siren]

No idea, that's a whole other issue entirely

30% if working as intended, yeah

No idea if the mitigation check has been fixed

[oak echo]

if people doing 26s won't take it, can't be very good tbh. at least not for a capstone

[lavish oracle]

I tried a handful of keys with it a few weeks ago just to test to see if it was proccing unexpectedly and only had it proc when I meant for it to proc

[void skiff]

Could be worse. We could still have the old talent trees.

[sick sentinel]

i shoulda bought the wow token at 184k

now its like, 175 or less

[amber ravine]

is blood DK/Prot pally just scaling better or are people moving away from warrior for a reason? I just keep seeing those 2 creep up and warrior % drop. genuinely curious

[round pendant]

People were sleeping on pally

[amber ravine]

175 is still a good price tho, i usually see it hovering around 145-160

[amber ravine]

my pally is 400, my DK/warr are 415. think its worth putting some work into the pally. Havent given it much thought. We are starting to hit the 21+ key range

[oak echo]

can't speak for blood dk because idk that its usage is actually going up, but pally for sure is just better in m+ right now when played well. it's a lot less forgiving than warrior but the group utility is hard to beat

[void skiff]

Dk keeps getting buffs. Pally is getting the rework. And warrior is losing its flare as the tier goes on because it was the fotm so it’s natural to see people get vbored and change

[amber ravine]

Yea, I can see that.

[oak echo]

i'm working on my pally as well but tbh i won't do the level of keys where the difference between the 2 matters and i'm much more comfy and geared on the warrior

[round pendant]

I'm levelling a paladin just cause it was my old main

[amber ravine]

Yea, see thats kinda where im at. although that jade serpant kicked my ass last night. should be good now that I figured it out. but warrior is starting to get a bit staleish.

[uneven mason]

Is it still bugged?

[lavish oracle]

I haven't seen evidence that it is but I don't use it often enough to say for sure

I used to for 4 or 5 keys a couple weeks ago and only had it proc when it should have

[uneven mason]

K, for a long while it was triggering from raw damage

So it'd go off at 95% health

[lavish oracle]

Oh, weird, like pre-mitigation damage?

[urban bane]

I'd want to see a few logs before I'm convinced it has been fixed

[urban bane]

Correct

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, definitely would investigate it yourself

[urban bane]

But even barring those issues; still not a great talent to run.

[lavish oracle]

It's got similar problems to any cheat death, it's a bad point if you're never in a situation where you'd use it

[amber siren]

It's not a cheat death

That's the issue

[undone verge]

It’s basically the same as using defensive stance, theoretically there’s never a time you should need it, unless it’s like a +30, but you can still have it as a safety net

If the issues are fixed

[deep spruce]

wtf - tokens are 290k+ on EU

[jagged pier]

Yes

[round pendant]

when is 10.0.7 actually coming out?

[modern brook]

in the future :^)

[jagged pier]

Soom tm

[uneven mason]

Probably patch before easter

[hollow gull]

I have a question: on last boss of RLP when it phases the boss looses aggro. Any tips on how to not let ur group get smashed by melee?

[cinder storm]

Leap to it

[round pendant]

leap aoe taunt is ezpz

[toxic pewter]

10.0.7 probably March 21st in my opinion. The week in the middle of Diablo 4 early access and open beta

[sick sentinel]

me if i send my guy to alliance (some effect made me dwarf)

doesn't feel right being tiny compared to mou nt again

[toxic pewter]

Did you use atomic recalibrator

[sick sentinel]

transporter malfunction

[toxic pewter]

Ahh

[sick sentinel]

wtf stonks

[maiden lily]

dem stonks on da rize

[toxic pewter]

Yah people cashing in their gold to get bnet balance to buy Diablo 4

That’s why I bought mine month ago the tokens were 137k

[sick sentinel]

if its over 180k i'll buy 1 to 2 more token

i bought 1 just now

i want the helmet, but maybe for paladin, since dk gets it and i cant meaningly use it on warrior

and then, i want to get 5 crafts for DK, and then see what happens from there

[amber ravine]

Which helm?

[sick sentinel]

its a boe from the raid, heroic dk appearance plate wide

[amber ravine]

ohhhh

[plush tendon]

I wonder if we can raise carry prices with Token price increasing

[sick sentinel]

don't mean ppl will pay more lol

i already seen it at a certain price point twice in the past month and its literal on my favorites, so im watchin it close

[balmy canyon]

Careful that's linking carrys to actual monetary costs which blizz doesn't seem to like

[plush tendon]

its sort of a step removed; but access to gold through the blizz token has a correlation (maybe)

not accepting anything but wow gold, but its a blizz Item so like

[sick sentinel]

monkey

[feral nebula]

can we kill Raszageth Orbs with Shattering throw?

[plush tendon]

why though?

dont we use the other talent for big shield damage?

[sick sentinel]

wow token giga stonks

up another 400 or so gold

[plush tendon]

I didnt realize D4 is releasing soon

or at least the beta is

[fresh igloo]

D3 final season is popular, and D4 is soon yeah

[feral nebula]

That is shattering throw for big shield dmg^^ but idk if its killing the orb instantly or not

[sick sentinel]

thing u say about raising the gold price when wow tokens raise is true, but you also have to remember, people either spend gold or they dont

[plush tendon]

these are the orbs that need to be interrupted yeah?

[feral nebula]

ohh wait, im wrong i think

[sick sentinel]

and then, so, if they aint got the cash new price, well, they cant afford no more, or don't want lol

[feral nebula]

yea

[plush tendon]

just interrupt and have stormbolt

for heroic

[feral nebula]

i do but people tend to fk it up

[plush tendon]

take fear bomb then

[feral nebula]

was just wondering if its possible, i know there are a few possibilites 🙂

[fresh igloo]

you want wrecking throw for big adds on p1 intermission, raz shields in p2

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt recommend it; wrecking throw gets a LOT of value on Raz

[fresh igloo]

shattering throw has a much longer CD and a cast time.

same damage to shields either way

[feral nebula]

yea i see, was just wondering about it generally

but i know its absolute useless

[plush tendon]

are you progging heroic raz?

or just pugging it

[amber siren]

as far as i know there's no way to kill a spark

[feral nebula]

we gonna progg it tonight as guild

[plush tendon]

yea, for our first time kill, I liked having the extra talents that could be used to clear

just make sure before you pull that everyone at least has a plan on how they are going to deal with their orbs; every class should have something

whether its a interrupt+stun/dispell/fear etc.

and classes like DHs, Shamans, and Priests can easily get other peoples with purges

and most classes have aoe stops that can hit multiple orbs

[feral nebula]

yea gonna do that, thanks. Our guild is very small, i hope there are enough people online so we can do it without randoms. Q.Q

[distant crystal]

there's a good macro for ranged that they can spam

to quickly interrupt an orb without accidentally using it on boss

[feral nebula]

there is?

[distant crystal]

/tar boss1
/targetenemy
/focus
/tar player
/tar focus
/tar boss1
/targetlasttarget
/cast [harm,nodead] Spellsteal
/tar boss1

it looks stupid and probably has more lines than needed, but it works :p

replace spellsteal with their kick/purge

[slim dove]

lmao

[modern brook]

that is the single stupidest fucking thing i have ever seen in my life

[slim dove]

that is the most assfucked macro

i have ever seen

[modern brook]

just click the fucking ball

[distant crystal]

literally my exact reaction when my GM found it

but it works

[modern brook]

play the game you pay per month to play

[slim dove]

just click the ball jesus christ

[distant crystal]

our priest uses that with his purge and he can just slam it

[plush tendon]

its so stupid.... its genius

[slim dove]

not even click

a mouseover macro works fine too

[distant crystal]

as long as the orb is in your FOV it'll get it eventually

[feral nebula]

hahaha its not me who fucks up clicking the ball. The challenge is to get all of my guildies to not fk it up^^ Everything helps hahaha

[modern brook]

bro

if your guild has trouble clicking

and made it to raz

[distant crystal]

it's useless for melee though they'll just be out of range trying to kick balls in madagascar

[modern brook]

great job

[feral nebula]

zug zug?

[modern brook]

have them take likea mavis beacon course or something

[feral nebula]

trying my best lol

[slim dove]

mass dispel and slappy hands

literally solos it

2 DKs can handle the entire mechanic by themselves.

[distant crystal]

maybe in a 10man

[slim dove]

does fine in a 20 stack

maybe one gets missed on the outside

[modern brook]

yeah thats when u ca use this abomination of a macro

[distant crystal]

i mean it definitely isn't getting solo'd by two dks in a 20man lol

but yeah there's a lot of aoe options

[slim dove]

i mean it definitely is

[feral nebula]

yea we got 2 druids and a spriest, it should be definetly enough

orbs are the smallest issue anyways lol

[slim dove]

fr

if orbs are wiping you

[modern brook]

is this m prog or h prog?

[feral nebula]

going left and right is a much harder problem for intermission 1

h prog

[shell mortar]

The hell is that macro

You could just write/tar ball /cast ability /targetlasttarget

[feral nebula]

i wouldnt dare to even talk about it if it was mprog lol

[distant crystal]

[feral nebula]

username checks out

[distant crystal]

when i first saw it i had the same reaction, and i'm sure it could probably be made shorter and work fine, but it works as is and I cba trying to save some characters making it shorter

made our priests and shamans load that thing up and they spam it

and orbs die

[feral nebula]

are you using BL 2nd shield or at 3rd phase? often read that groups do 2nd shield but idk why should i

[shell mortar]

Darn

At least it works eh

[distant crystal]

i actually thought my GM was like making a joke when he posted it lol

[modern brook]

2nd shield is a prog strat iirc

cause you should have cooldowns for 1 and 3

[plush tendon]

its pretty useless on pull

and by the time its back up in p3, the boss is dead

[modern brook]

also yeah p1 is fake as hell

[plush tendon]

so like

[feral nebula]

our avg iLvL is 411, still sad we havent killed it yet, dmg would be far enough

[distant crystal]

p2 is where boss dmg starts to matter

[modern brook]

if you're out gearing the fight to the point where damage is a non issue i would actually suggest lusting 2nd shield

because you're not going to wipe cause you "didnt get 2 lusts"

[distant crystal]

yeah 2 lusts is bait

[modern brook]

you're going to wipe to "we had 4 people dead before shields came out"

[slim dove]

deaths in p1

deaths in 1st intermission

[feral nebula]

yeah i mean, most of the problems are that people arent comitting enough to progging... we have like 10 tries or something and that was 3 weeks ago, since then nobody had time

people die at int 1, wtf

randoms are even worse on our realms

[slim dove]

ive died trying to get a fatality stack on the boss while it breaths over

[modern brook]

[slim dove]

thought with sr + dbts + rally id survive

i did not.

[modern brook]

that is the single greediest thing ive ever read lol

[slim dove]

my record is 1.6 mil

[modern brook]

warren buffet of Fatality stacks over here

[plush tendon]

cant let Fatality fall off

thats a big no on

[slim dove]

no risk of it falling off in i1

but i wanted more stacks

[plush tendon]

of course

[slim dove]

and tbf i did get 1 more at the cost of a brez

[plush tendon]

how else ya gonna kill the boss?

[slim dove]

[plush tendon]

its even worth wiping if fatality drops off god forbid

[slim dove]

ngl been temped in p3

to drop magnet in narnia

just cuz my stacks dropped earlier

[modern brook]

I had a diurna pull where i hit 67 stacks pre-execute and then we died pre execute

next pull i got like 52 and we killed her and i was distraught

[plush tendon]

I wish we had a DPS warrior in our raid

[slim dove]

truly wish it was 100% proc rate and a self buff

[plush tendon]

we only have a army of Rogues

[modern brook]

be the change

the rogues can tank

[plush tendon]

I cant.... Im playing BDK

at least to finish the tier

[modern brook]

is bdk fun?

every time i try and level my dk i want to blow my brains out walking through dungeons

[amber ravine]

I love my DK

[plush tendon]

I will say this... BDK boss tanking Brood on Mythic is EZ mode compared to Warrior

[amber ravine]

now the the dmg is starting get looked at makes it t hat much better

[plush tendon]

but this is all part of my master plan; Im going to play BDK for Raz prog, but I made a agreement with my RL that my Warrior gets a rekill on Brood

so while my DK sits doing Raz, I pug first two mythic

for chances at the shield

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[modern brook]

My first raid tanking experience this expac was solo tanking H diurna w/ a 343 shield :^)

[plush tendon]

the damage intake on Mythic Diurna is a good step up from Heroic

but DKs can also immune the tank buster every time

sure its been nerfed, but still

they just elminate mechs

and dont need any help for the whole fight

[chilly brook]

Blood DK is fun in that you get to play the “how much can I make healing number go up” game

Damage is poop

[maiden lily]

ok so question: do yall stay mostly in battle stance and use DS as a mitigation tool?

[chilly brook]

But I don’t really care when I’m literally doing stupid amounts of healing

[maiden lily]

for m+

[fresh igloo]

yup

[chilly brook]

Yes

[maiden lily]

ok thank you

[plush tendon]

D Stance you toggle on if you need a defensive (and then back off when you dont) or doing something like a high tyran Temple and on the Jade part of the 3rd boss

[plush tendon]

yea, if you play BDK for damage... you gonna be disapointed

granted, my DK is doing like 65k overall in dungeons so its not poopoo garbage

[chilly brook]

Ye like it’s not kneecapped

But it’s not great

[plush tendon]

blood boil and dots are also uncapped

and with purg, IBF and AMS I feel safe when I boon

[chilly brook]

Although I’d care more about the lack of dps in raid than in m+

At least if my cotank was a pumper

Cuz then it would suck

[plush tendon]

Yea, the tables flopped on me

was taking aggro against our other warrior tank when Im on mine... now I lose it sometimes on the DK

[slim dove]

lul watching andy do 28sbg

all 3 of his dps are floating 95-100k on worm boss

meanwhile the 418 rogues i invite struggle to do 40

[chilly brook]

Ooooof

[plush tendon]

yea, but those are like some of the best players in the world

absolute monsters

[chilly brook]

40k is like 380 ilvl dps

[slim dove]

no this is like

unexplainable

[plush tendon]

but 40k is pretty sus

[slim dove]

how the fuck do you get to 2900 IO and be this dogshit

[fresh igloo]

40k ST at 418 ilvl is ... super low.

[slim dove]

even the DH i play with struggles to do 50k on that fight

[plush tendon]

if you doing 40k.... you shouldve just brought a second prot warrior at that point

[slim dove]

"ree my abilities miss"

[fresh igloo]

worm boss still has weird bugs with cleavey stuff tbf. dunno how rogues are impacted.

[chilly brook]

I need to play my outlaw rogue tbh

[slim dove]

now im fighting with my DH over discord cuz im asking why he can't pull these numbers

[plush tendon]

did they pull trash on the worm?

[slim dove]

didnt see but probably

[plush tendon]

I imagine they probably did the jump pull and brought the spider pack with them

[slim dove]

that i was unaware of

[plush tendon]

so thats like 6 spiderlings, 2 big spiders, and 2 bats

yea, a DH, Mage or Evoker can jump over the wall and pull that back and get back over

[slim dove]

spiderlings flop insta tbf

[plush tendon]

its worth cause once you kill wormie, the spiderlings disapear

[slim dove]

ahh

neat tech

[plush tendon]

still, adding 10 more targets

will inflate that DPS

and on a 28, they prob have enough health to be up for a while

[slim dove]

truu ok ok

[somber ruin]

Any tips on how to survive tjs 23 this week? 3rd boss that is

[slim dove]

pins but for 23 you really need to coordinate with healer

[sand mason]

this

[plush tendon]

some tricks; use last stand AFTER the hit; the health increase counts as healing and can help get dot off

health pots are your friend

Spell Block is 20 seconds long; jade kicks are 15 seconds apart; plan accordingly

[fresh igloo]

that's a solid note. I always struggle to decide when i should use last stand proactively vs reactively.

[plush tendon]

if you pugging it; its 100% worth to write up a quick MDT note and just let the healer know what your plan is

extra points if you are able to tell them what they need to do to

[high basalt]

Hey guys anyone got a de stance and battle stance all in one macro please? Ty

[fresh igloo]

#protection message

in the pins

[high basalt]

Ty mate

[plush tendon]

oh, and prob best to bring a lock/priest for Temple this week

for last boss

lock extra good cause then you get healthstone to!

[paper nexus]

Also bring a lock for hs

[deft mortar]

meh

got vault 21

Got 0 motivation

[rose cobalt]

Vault is fun 😀

[feral nebula]

Guys what do you think should be my upgrade here: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fuh1S6p7adwVfQKV9cSFHh
Damage with boon or 418 chest?

[limpid crest]

Is there someone here who might be willing to take a look at my tanks logs on M brood keeper

[deep spruce]

Just link them, someone will have a gander I'm sure - what's the issue?

[hybrid fossil]

is there a reason to pick curse dispel for COS? any ideas what it is used for?

i saw that in most high keys the druids have skilled it - but i dunno why tbh

[cinder storm]

The eye miniboss i think, since it really slaps on fort

Other than that, no idea

[slim dove]

^

just eye miniboss

impending doom on a fort 23 ticks for a non-ignorable amount, not to mention the explosion when it expires.

[hybrid fossil]

the impending doom is magical isnt it?

[slim dove]

im about 80% sure its a curse

jk its magic idk why youd take curse dispel in cos

[limpid crest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:6BK1qdkcP3aNmhyT#fight=last

Both of our tanks just keep falling over at the end of the fight.

[lusty tiger]

U have show of force

[limpid crest]

The prot war on adds is dying way more.

[lusty tiger]

Also u have too little SS cpm

Sudden death helps w that

Yes

[mighty valley]

get rid of squeak, makes it harder to read cpm haha

[lusty tiger]

Lmfao

Me on heroic

82cpm

Sudden death helps

[heady sapphire]

which phial do I use in raid?

[lusty tiger]

Yes

Yes

[mighty valley]

sudden death is another rage-free source of SS resets beyond just doing better damage than SOF in single target

[lusty tiger]

Yesss

Ye ezpz

Was it y’all’s first kill?

[mighty valley]

hmm you're not even pressing execute in execute phase

[jagged pier]

i cant have a look tonight but if u DM this i can get back to u tomorrow, but dyiong in P2 sounds like not preping for the slams, and of course the add tank is gunna die more there generally more stuff that will kill u

[mighty valley]

well it is a dps up, though maintaining 4set is better for living if that's a concern

It's not too many more braincells - is it glowing? Press it. In execute range? Replace revenge with it

(in single target)