protection

[chilly brook]

It’s not rocket science

[warm plinth]

But you shouldn't be concerned with the secondaries on a weapon

[chilly brook]

Dps to threat is basically 1:1

[dusky fable]

just get this :^)

[rain light]

not 421

[chilly brook]

You’re doing like 40% more dps than he is which means 40% more threat generation

[rain light]

pathetic

[coarse flower]

nah I just want a high vers set

but yea strike twice is definitely bis

[chilly brook]

Wut

[coarse flower]

for 🔑

[chilly brook]

What does that have to do with what I said

[coarse flower]

you said i shouldnt be concerned about secondaries on a weapon

[slim dove]

no he didnt.

[chilly brook]

No I did not

Look at what you responded to

[coarse flower]

o thats someone else

[grave flower]

anyone have a solid Dark Iron Racial weakaura?

[slim dove]

why do you need a weakaura

for dark iron racial

[grave flower]

to know when I have something that can be removed....

[slim dove]

theres 3 mechs youd use it on in m+

lashers, crawth peck, 2nd boss rlp searing blows

[warm plinth]

It's not even about strike twice being bis. It's about ilevel being the important stat on weapons because you want the weapon DPS

[chilly brook]

How about move your player portrait and set it up to show dispellible debuffs

Then you can yell at people who should be dispelling

[grave flower]

You can do that with baseui?
crazy

TIL

[sick sentinel]

[dreamy root]

All totem ever worth running as prot?

[sick sentinel]

for keys

[dusky fable]

@dreamy root no 30s cd and we block not dodge

[noble mortar]

but we do parry which is the other condition

[hollow scroll]

Activates from parry too

[dusky fable]

i think its okay on brewmaster but dont quote me, i think even they ignore it

the interal cd is 30s so iirc its dog shit

[warm plinth]

wat

[dusky fable]

A passive proc trinket with some stat effects. The 30-second internal cooldown is a bit long, and you have to be actively tanking in order to trigger it, so it’s not always great, but it’s capable of doing a lot of damage in sustained AoE. This makes it really strong in Mythic+ and on AoE fights, and not very good in pure single-target.

[warm plinth]

All-totem is literally one of our BiS trinkets for keys

[hollow scroll]

Literally passed that as "the meme trinket" 4 weeks in a row

We gave it to our arms warriors for "die by the sword" cheesing kek

[warm plinth]

Also we absolutely do dodge

[sick sentinel]

rarely, but it does happen

[dusky fable]

3% For my stat sheet

i guess i was mainly thinking raid- i can see it being good in m+ - sorry

[neat haven]

is search not working for anyone else?

[sick sentinel]

if you have alot of critical strike rating, that adds parry %

makes it trigger a bit more often, makes it go off every 30s

[median tulip]

It's a solid trinket; I run it unless I have multiple Whispering Incarnate Icons in my party

You will proc it on the 30s mark or thereabout relaibly, because Parry

[sick sentinel]

passive dmg trinket that occurs when you randomly mitigate dmg, great for aoe

[oblique quarry]

is 408 all totem worth keeping over any of the m+ trinkets at 415?

for keys

hard to sim for totem lol

[slim dove]

yes

[sick sentinel]

probably as good as 415

[slim dove]

totem is very good

[scenic mural]

this must be satire

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure brew plays whetstone and eye of skovald

[lone eagle]

All Totem is based

Brew is decent with it but they don't really care about the haste proc

VDH probably the best user of it I'd think

Bear pre-Thorns nerf is also a pretty good user

w/ Thorns its actually a disgusting dps trinket while the armor proc is up

5 target patchwerk w/ most of the good trinkets I have

415 ruby/421 hunger/421 all totem/415 whetstone

[cedar trench]

😡 no bad trinket is bad /s

[sand mason]

Just procced a spark...

Do I get brez bracers to replace a 415 bracers (with socket!) or replace 415 hoof?

https://raider.io/characters/us/tichondrius/Pantzwarr

[cedar trench]

what would you replace hoof with, thats crafted? O.o

[sand mason]

418 alchemist stone? more haste and gets rid of double on use

[cedar trench]

socket probs not worth dropping unless you want to brez, i have brez on helm and i hardly use it unless its really dire. trinket wise i personally would just play that till something better unless you really dont want 2x on use

could make cloak with flavor pocket on it, very very nice to have

Droptimizer will give some rough dps values for the trinket though, im not sure if it would beat hoof

[hollow jewel]

does sr work for frozen shroud?

[cedar trench]

[hollow jewel]

thanks i was looking for the sr sheet, didn't scroll the pin enough

[sand mason]

cloak with flavor pocket kinda hard tbh

but I already have a bis cape at 415... tough. Just wish there was a higher value item to craft lol

[cedar trench]

Yea i have 0 value for my spark its just sittin, not a great feeling lmao

[sand mason]

probably gonna do 418 cape with flavor pocket. Alchemist stone actually sims for -1.5% dps l;ol

[sick sentinel]

Being only 415 and having to take a socket for the 2nd week in a row is honestly killing my soul

Biggest cba ever

[rough egret]

oh lord

you know, I killed first 2 on Mythic with pugs last week

and got shield with it too..

[shell mortar]

Ringgggggg

[rough egret]

I want to take it ofc 😄 but shield.. 😄

i guess its more rare than shield

I took the ring

[split remnant]

My current trinkets are Decoration of flame 402ilvl and whetstone 415. My vault is Hunger of the pack 421 or decoration of flame 415. Am I taking mythic deocration and still using 2 on use trinkets or taking hunger of the pack?

[tame jasper]

You can add sockets to engi bracers too. And CR can save you key

[median tulip]

are those your only vault options?

[shell mortar]

Nice ring. Now give account to me. Still waiting for it

[split remnant]

Yes. Rest is small helmet upgrade (just ilvl) and small wrist upgrade (just ilvl).

[warm plinth]

HotP probably a good bet tbh. Deco is pretty mid

[gritty egret]

How much do you guys value 421 vers(+) mastery shield VS 418 haste vers crafted shield VS Socket?

[tropic tangle]

you take 421 shield

[fresh igloo]

ilvl on shield is the only source of more block

[shell mortar]

7% reduction? Brother

Broooother

That doesn't sound sussy at all

[split remnant]

i thought decoration is one of the best

[scenic mural]

its garbage

[warm plinth]

It's mediocre damage and an even more mediocre absorb

[grand saddle]

if you do 2/8 M can you get loot in vault from any boss

[daring marlin]

tier yes

other stuff no

[warm plinth]

Not if you haven't killed bosses other than those 2 before.

[grand saddle]

so if i killed kurog 3 weeks go

and i go 2/8 every week

i can get kurog loot even though i didnt kill him again?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[warm plinth]

As long as you killed him on Mythic

[noble wyvern]

chest, sword, chest...

Would you take 415 - 421 chest och 418 - 421 sword?

[warm plinth]

No

[daring marlin]

sword

strike twice 421 huge

[noble wyvern]

Maybe ill take it then'

[daring marlin]

100% should

[shell mortar]

Sim it

Though sword is basically a free embellishment

[mortal brook]

Gratz sword

[tall cedar]

guys which items can be socketed ? I mean can we get socketed helm/leg/chest/shoulder/gloves from dungeons?

[lofty widget]

Helm, neck, wrist, belt and rings

[tame jasper]

Would also take sword in your situation

[tame jasper]

You can add sockets on neck via JC item buyable in the AH

[dry spear]

well well...no shield but i take the helm

[rough egret]

Nice 🙂

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wJDxThagvWwZD7y7mJNpx5 melandrus will sit down for a while, maybe socket in it can beat crafted ring

[south zealot]

its very good for brew and bdk

and good for other tanks too

[tall cedar]

guys can we open more than 1 gem slot to helmet?

[warm plinth]

Only necklace can have more than 1 socket

[tall cedar]

then what im gonna do

i always get shitty loot from vault

i cant get socket thingie anymore

[south zealot]

tough luck

[tall cedar]

my todays vault

[south zealot]

3 421 options

seems gud

[warm plinth]

None of the 421s are higher ilevel than what you're wearing?

[fresh igloo]

or any of their tier versions if you convert?

[mighty valley]

if you're in a place where none of these 421s are good then your gear must be overall good enough that vault misses are to be expected

[tall cedar]

Yeah

im 418 ilvl currently

cant wear anything from there

i have 4x 421 set piece

i could get boots but from 418 >421 or socket

i will get socket thingie again i guess for offspec

[warm plinth]

What's wrong with 418>421 boots?

[spare loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dDPdDJE1PLofTJ3G4hnHA3
why does the BiS trinket sim lower wtf

[tall cedar]

@warm plinth i just spent 80k on food thingie yesterday on my crafted boots 😂

thats why i dont want 😂

[south zealot]

item level

[spare loom]

im gonna ignore the sim then

i can get a 418 item this week too

but won't get a 415 BiS trinket any time soon

[south zealot]

just grab boots, run some keys and valor upgrade your two trinkets

[kindred prairie]

hey, which 2 trinkets would be generally the best for 21+ keys? I assume grieftorch gets too dangerous to use at those levels

excluding mythic raid trinkets other than icon

[tall cedar]

whetstone + all totem

[warm plinth]

what are you referring to as BiS trinket

[tall cedar]

for me

[spare loom]

decoration of flame

[warm plinth]

That is not even remotely a bis trinket

[spare loom]

it's not?

[warm plinth]

No

It's a very mediocre trinket

[kindred prairie]

mythic alltotem or heroic good aswell?

I dont raid so cant rly get the mythic one if I wanted it

[tall cedar]

Both are fine imo

well i dont have all totem wish i had

im doing 23's with decoration 415 and ruby whelp 415

[kindred prairie]

is there a specific reason why https://mplus.subcreation.net/protection-warrior.html top keys use decoration so often? thought that means that its kinda bis in that case

[warm plinth]

It happens a lot that top players run things that aren't actually good

A ton of top tanks in S4 of Shadowlands ran codex despite it being literal garbage

A lot of top brewmasters run granyth's scale, even though it's a bad trinket

[kindred prairie]

whats bis in your opinion then?

[south zealot]

whatever sims the highest

[kindred prairie]

grieftorch kinda does most damage depending on amount of deaths, but you are more likely to die aswell, wouldnt call it bis

I can see that whetstone is pretty much 1 bis trinket. most prot warrs run it it seems from Subcreation

maybe decoration helps the fire rings to proc? or do they proc often enough just with the frostfire belt?

[ancient pine]

Hey guys, i just opened my vault and I would be interested in your opinion on what you would choose in my case.
I currently have a 408 Ruby Whelp shell and a 395 Burgeoning Seed.
Rings are a Thunderous Downburst Ring (411) and the auto-attack ring in 408 -> both upgradable
Would i go for the "dps" trinket, or the decoration? or maybe the ring? The sims show the highest DPS increase with the 415 trinket, followed by the decoration. Is the defensive of the decoration worth it?

unfortunately the two first mythic bosses did not bless me with an useful item

[south zealot]

i would go for a hoof instead of your burgeoning seed

you have two pretty bad trinkets so replacing 1 is good imo

ring and hoof trinket are both good

decoration of flame isnt very good and the defensive valueis low

[ancient pine]

Okay ty - i was not sure how good the hoof is since there is no baseline str on it, besides the effect

but the effect seems pretty strong

thanks!

[timber wasp]

What an insane game. I got a week and a bit old paladin, my second ever vault and I havent got a single upgrade

[peak spoke]

Sup Guys, new tank here (407 ilvl - 2.4k rio), just opened my vault and i was wondering which trinket to get. Currently i have equipped Spiteful Storm 411 and 395 Icon. All totem supposedly gives better dps for M+ which is my preffered contend but i probably won't see scale 421 in my vault for a bit while i could probably grab All-totem from the raid itself or from another week's vault since raid loot table is smaller. What would you guys recommend ?

[lime urchin]

Uh oh, here come the vault screenies

https://tenor.com/view/there-is-a-storm-coming-weather-hurricane-tornado-gif-11678470

[south zealot]

scale is bad

[timber wasp]

What a fucking waste of a week getting a socket as your second vault though.

[elfin ginkgo]

Hey! Does spell block block stuff like searing blows and stuff like charged smash?

[lime urchin]

No blockerino on bleeds!

See pins how to handle it!

[tame jasper]

If you feel that playing the game is a waste of time, then dont do it. Its better for mental health to not force yourself to it

[elfin ginkgo]

im more interested in a guide on how to use spell block 😄

[timber wasp]

No, but I'm trying to gear up and getting a huge second vault when im 390 ilv and not a single heroic/415 piece is an upgrade fuckin hurts

I took socket on both my chars this week.

I have blue boots for god's sake

[lilac jay]

Check pins for excel sheet

[timber wasp]

Is there some kind of WA to see if youre targetted by one of these?

[elfin ginkgo]

awesome thanks

[tame jasper]

Spell reflect essentials (for dragonflight)

[timber wasp]

Ty

[stark furnace]

Just spam 11s and use valor to upgrade , relying on vault to gear up is going to leave you very disappointed very often 😄 just think of it as a bonus

[lime urchin]

Id recommend just playing and figuring out where to use it best, instead of blindly relying on a WA

[timber wasp]

That's what I've been doing but still got so many piece im missing.
369 boots, 372 ring, 372 trink, 376 bracers and 372 head still havent dropped from over 30 dungeons

[lime urchin]

Go over your logs, see if you missed something, or pressed it often enough

[timber wasp]

How can you know if youre being targeted by the spell without a WA?

[stark furnace]

Got any sparks?

[lime urchin]

Many spells are targeted, if you see the targets target, you see if it’s in you. But this isn’t with all spells

[timber wasp]

No.

[vale bloom]

Any opinions on the diurna absorb ring?

[empty spindle]

oi9 girls and boys

do the blazING IMPS on COS burst?????

[timber wasp]

I got 392 chest and weapon to upgrade later too from sparks.

[lost canyon]

Anyone knows if strike twice procs devastation?

Got it in vault and i'm not sure if I should take it or not, i got this atm

[rough egret]

We know, it doesnt

But its still best weap

[heady sapphire]

HC ring is 4-5% healing in m+ for me

[lime urchin]

Healing? Sounds like a dps loss to me!

[heady sapphire]

well, I do have the fire DPS proc ring in GV

[jolly granite]

What’s the Addon showing the item ilvl and the enchants/gems?

[heady sapphire]

and now am pondering which to choose

[modest grove]

can someone tell me what's the best choice here:

[heady sapphire]

seems like sim time

[rough egret]

Whats your gear?

We dont know

[modest grove]

Sorry pc crashed kek

[rough egret]

I would take those 418 shoulders

[modest grove]

I will but firstly i wanna read your opinion

[rough egret]

Trinket is meh

So yes tier shoulders

[heady sapphire]

yep

[lime urchin]

Maybe make a bot that replies sim yoself on every screenshot!

[heady sapphire]

My sim told me to pick 415 legs and upgrade them in catalyst, over the HC fire DPS proc ring. Sounds plausible but I'll wait until done with HC reclear before picking anything

I already have low ilvl valor upgradible legs, so it only saves a bit of time.

[molten trellis]

Guys tell me should I take the ring? or is it not necessary for wars? I play both tank and dВ specialties

[nova cloak]

not sure what to take, 418 ustable arcane loop (30ilvl upgrade) or decoration of flame 389 currently have

[heady sapphire]

Normal tank trinket isn't that great. I'd pick loop.

[heady sapphire]

but very probably the ring

[nova cloak]

was leaning that way thought id check, cheers

[heady sapphire]

especially that you already have two passive shield/absorb trinkets

just farm whetstone lmao

[amber siren]

30 ring ilvl upgrade over decoration any day

[lilac jay]

this or socket?

[heady sapphire]

close ngl

[proven cedar]

So I'm debating if this is worth it or not. Leaning towards no, but would like a second opinion

[warm plinth]

It might be better than the icon just from the strength; you can sim to be sure. If it wasn't such a large ilevel increase I wouldn't even consider it.

[proven cedar]

Yeah, that's what's making it difficult for me as well. Gonna sim

[heady sapphire]

what's the proc rate on the stack buff gain?

[warm plinth]

2ppm

[proven cedar]

meh

[warm plinth]

sounds like a no

[proven cedar]

Yeahh

[south zealot]

seed is deadfe

deadge

[proven cedar]

Well, socket it is

[spare loom]

guys

in an m+ pack

do I use windscar first and then decoration?

[warm plinth]

Doesn't really matter. They both have the same cooldown. But I would probably use the whetstone first just because it does more damage.

[spare loom]

okay ty

[karmic lynx]

whats the best trinket combi for pushing high keys? got HC icon, HC totem, Mythic Flame and Windscar

[warm plinth]

windscar and totem

[strong forum]

Seed is dogwater

[spark cedar]

What do we think will be bis rings after 10.0.7? the new ring + eranog?

[faint mica]

wich ilvl do I need approx without set to tank decently +16 ? Going to spam time to upgrade crafts

[jagged pier]

there is no set ilvl

its what ever your comfortable with

[stark furnace]

I did a few at 385-390 with no set

[warm plinth]

I've tanked 16s comfortably at 380

[south zealot]

court is the easiest key to tank with low ilvl

[faint mica]

+in tyrannical it's so free as tank XD

thx for the answers guys

one more little question, do you think it's worth spamming some low keys to farm valor?

[south zealot]

eh depends

depends how fast you can do that i guess

[stark furnace]

On my tank I spammed 11’s to get bits to turn to tier and trinkets/rings then upgraded all to 408 before trying to push, just to gear up, was pretty fast

The used the focuses for crafted gear

[jolly lagoon]

do we ever choose boon? and how good is rumbling ruby exactly?

currently equiped decoration of flame 402 and blazebinders hoof 398

[heady sapphire]

i hate boon because of the turret mechanic

[jolly lagoon]

I love it on my rogue, but then again you cant do anything else than spell reflect during it to mitigate.

[heady sapphire]

is it worth making that unique-equipped primary stat gem, and putting it in lariat? vs secondaries gems.

[warm plinth]

what do you mean?

[warm plinth]

Yes, though it doesn't matter where you put it

[lofty widget]

It just roots you, can still do every ting Else as normal

[warm plinth]

Ruby is not particularly great. It oversims as well because sim assumes it hits everything every time.

[jolly lagoon]

so both trinkets I don't take 😛

[faint mica]

guess I'll try that skiping the +11 phase to get +16 spam, will just upgrade the shield in 405 with focus from raszageth

[warm plinth]

Boon is fine as long as you use it wisely

[faint mica]

any particularity with war and grievious/bursting IP function the same way 50/50 dmg?

[prisma vault]

Sorry about another GV question, but I'm wondering if sim is lying in this case. I got 421 CoS ring and 421 legs in vault whereas I have 415 of both equipped. Sim is saying that legs are significantly bigger upgrade, but seeing how ring is unique would it be better to grab it instead?

[warm plinth]

I personally would take the legs but I would not fault you for the ring since it's obviously a lot rarer to get the CoS ring than leggings

[faint mica]

don't we play both raid rings idealy?

[warm plinth]

The shield ring is whatever. It's fine if you get it but we generally only use it because it's higher ilevel than any other ring you're going to get, so unless you're getting it on mythic, you'd want the CoS ring instead

[faint mica]

ok, good to know 🙂

[warm plinth]

Heroic is only 418 and the CoS ring is perfect stats plus free damage from the effect

[buoyant tangle]

does anyone know if the belt recipe from av/aa can drop from m+ or is it heroic/mythic only?

[kindred prairie]

hey, so, is frostfire belt enough to proc fire rings? and does eranog ring proc broodkeeper ring?

by "enough" I mean if they get procced pretty much on their internal cd?

or how they work exactly

[jagged pier]

the belt is enough

[kindred prairie]

so I wouldnt squeeze more procs out of them if I used some fire trinkets aswell?

[jagged pier]

it really doesnt mater

[kindred prairie]

doesnt matter, as in, very few more procs?

[jagged pier]

using a fire trinket every 2 mins to proc a fire ring gives u like 2 extra chances a fight

its doesnt matter

[kindred prairie]

even if its an aoe fire trinket?

dunno how likely is ring to proc on hit

something like decoration on 5 targets would do 10 hits in total with 1 use. how many procs could I expect from that? just got the eranog ring so no idea

[amber siren]

PPM is normalised, called RPPM

You’re min maxing something that you might get the slightest edge on

10 hits over like a 3 second window isn’t going to improve your proc rate

[lilac jay]

cant decide. this upgrade or gem? :/ i tend to taking the gem

[jagged pier]

sim it

[lilac jay]

socket sim = gear compare + socket in item? (raidbots)

[sick sentinel]

how is the rumbling ruby trinket guys?

between that or an m+ helm i can turn into tier but currently have 343 trinks

[round pendant]

rumbling ruby isn't bad

[granite lodge]

Anecdote, my 389 rumbling ruby can deal up to 5% of my dmg over a run

[round pendant]

sadge trash

Lol the gloves are a 0.3% upgrade, everything else is a 1% loss

[night heron]

Hello guys, on prot warrior what am I supposed to train my ruby whelp shell for? Single target or AoE damage?

[jagged pier]

st

[night heron]

alright, thanks!

[fallow beacon]

rank 5 m terros kill

so close

[round pendant]

If I have 5 set pieces, what's the best piece of gear to replace with a non-set piece with good stat prio? Chest?

[jagged pier]

yes

[round pendant]

Thought so

Guess I'll make a crafted chest after I upgrade my belt to 418

[echo egret]

I already have the All-Totem at 408 + Decoration of Flame at 402.
I have a M+ shield but not the rating to upgrade it to 13/13, only 12/13
I have a non-upgradable 408 raid tier chest
I must say I'm a bit lost as I know the trinket is very good and very rare, but a 415 chest would be a real ilevel upgrade.

[round pendant]

Icon

then just m+ for chest and shield 415

or, sim it

[warm plinth]

Icon if your raid needs it. Breastplate otherwise.

Imo

[tiny trellis]

what addon shows you that gs next to the ietms?

[round pendant]

I have way too much mastery

26 crit 24 haste 27 mastery

[grim pilot]

Hi, can anyone help me choose what to get? I'm currently using deco of flame + all-totem/rumbling ruby, however 1 of my fingers is 392. I'm able to upgrade it, I just need to run a few dungeons, however i'm leaning towards the icon. Gift of radiance seems to be shit and I need my 385 shoulders to get 4set this week.

[timber wasp]

Idk i just googled show ilv addon

[merry trout]

what shud i take from my great vault? Algetha puzzle box or blazebinder's hoof? both same ilvl ;/

[remote venture]

blazebinder's hoof

It's BiS

[merry trout]

but it has haste?

is agi worth sacrificing for haste?

[remote venture]

Haste is great on Prot Warrior

and you get STR from the use on Hoof

[lucid cloak]

is this ever really worth picking up for us? Thoughts?

[amber siren]

no

[merry trout]

oh ok, guess ill take the blazebinder's hoof then, tyvm

[modest grove]

Folks, would you recommend using hoof or decoration of flame on high m+ keys? In combination with the whetstone. All trinkets are at the same ilvl

[blazing condor]

decoration is pretty underwhelming in terms of defense tbh

[remote venture]

I am using both on 15+ and it works fine for me

[crimson bay]

is grieftorch of any use as prot warr? what are the like top 4 prot warr trinkets u can get across all content

[shell mortar]

Whetstone, All-Totem, Whispering Icon, Boon

Blazebinders Hoof, Toe and the HoV crit trinket are pretty good too

[crimson bay]

i got blazebinders hoof and manic grieftorch

so i wanna replace torch then

[karmic plinth]

better replacing hoof

[shell mortar]

Yeah with a same/higher ilvl trinket

Don't teach him bullshit. Grieftorch suffers the same thing as boon, high risk for high reward except grieftorch has less reward

And you don't really want high risk as tank unless you're doing farm content

[crimson bay]

i do mainly keys

boon i see the hight risk

torch i dont

the top warrior with 3444 rating m+ is running grieftorch

[shell mortar]

You can't block/parry/etc while torching

So if you mistime it GL

[jagged pier]

yes so u plan around it

use a defesive

hell u can use it during a stun

leg sweep is 4 seconds

greiftorch on 2

[crimson bay]

could shockwave and use it combined with that

[jagged pier]

shockwave is one second

[shell mortar]

Isn't it 2?

[crimson bay]

its 2

[jagged pier]

if someone has stunned already like in pugs

its 1

and a 2 second stun is cutting it giga close anyway

[shell mortar]

No shit

[crimson bay]

well

[shell mortar]

[crimson bay]

torch is bs then

just picked it from vault

feelsbadimo

on my brew i run both boon and torch

[shell mortar]

It's great if you're s great player

[jagged pier]

i mean we dont recommend using it in m+

[crimson bay]

and never had issues with it

[shell mortar]

But evaluate yourself objectively

[crimson bay]

but ye

im a top tier player i would say

done couple of ce in past

[shell mortar]

I said objectively

[crimson bay]

got glad multiplte times

etc etc

dunno what makes a player "good"

[shell mortar]

Idk either

I know I'm dogshit

[crimson bay]

ran a 21 nokhud 1star on 382 warr

prot

had no issues whatsoever

[shell mortar]

Ye then you'd have little problems timing grieftorch uses I'd say

[crimson bay]

ye

so if i can use it without it punishing me

its worth it?

[shell mortar]

More or less

There's still better overall trinkets

But grieftorch has high value outside of overall meters

[crimson bay]

ye cuz to push hight keys u want to focus mainly on dmg output

and im thinking

whetstone

do a lil more dmg

easier to use

[shell mortar]

Yes

[crimson bay]

but mastery is garbage compared to strg

[shell mortar]

Doesn't really matter. It's still more damage mastery included

For me personally the mastery from whetstone is giga as without it I'm around 700 mastery only

And you do want some mastery

[crimson bay]

im at

1200 mast

without it

[shell mortar]

Shouldn't be a problem really

[crimson bay]

ye

gotta think bout it

it dont share any gcd with stuns

so if u press it 0,1 sec after shockwave the dmg rewardshould be ait

[round pendant]

Meh, grieftorch isn't great for m+

Whetstone is good and risk-free

[crimson bay]

well

im planning on running

[amber siren]

Grieftorch is great for m+, it just isn't braindead

[crimson bay]

both whetstone and grieftorch

to maximize my dmg

on my brew monk i use boon and torch

one trinket per pack

rotating

so u got a dmg boost every pack u run down

i dont see the point of grabbing a defensive trinket as a prot warr since u literally take zero dmg anyhow

[round pendant]

I'm not saying take a defensive trinket instead

[crimson bay]

so what would u recommend

[lime urchin]

Are there defensive trinkets? 😮

[crimson bay]

whetstone and boon

overall biggest dmg trinkets

but boon is to hight risk

therefor torch and whetstone should be second option dmg wise y?

[round pendant]

All-totem is nice

[crimson bay]

thats the one from kurog am i right?

[round pendant]

Yep

I'd say it's BiS for m+

[crimson bay]

does it perform that good?

[round pendant]

Icon is good too

[crimson bay]

never got my hands on it

cuz my boon on my brew does about 1,6mil dmg per use

used abt 4-5 times per dung

[round pendant]

Yeah I mean if you want max damage you'll want to use boon but then you have to be very specific on when and where you use it

All-totem does like 3-4% from its damage proc (heroic, not mythic totem) but it also gives you stat procs too

I'm not sure how to actually measure the impact

[midnight ridge]

Hey guys, quick question: in normal mob groups, ignore pain > Shieldblock or vice versa?

[round pendant]

Maintain shieldblock

use ignore pain to prevent rage capping

[midnight ridge]

ok

and: can i stack shieldblock or do i have to take care about overcapping ?

[round pendant]

It caps at 3x the base duration

But it's pretty hard to overcap it outside of hero I've found

[midnight ridge]

whixch i would say is totally fine, cuz i see no option how to apply it 4 times

so i played it a bit like dh where is should NOT stack the "shieldblock" and have often a rage issue when it comes to renew shieldblock, cuz i already cliekc Ignore pain :/

[crimson bay]

dont use ignore pain to prevent rage capping, make sure u have 100% uptime on ignore pain so ur healer can do dmg instead

[round pendant]

You have 100% uptime on ignore pain by preventing ragecapping..

[lime urchin]

don't forget shield block improves the damage of shield slam

[midnight ridge]

thatha what i tried, but then often dont have rage for sb 😦

[lime urchin]

and life is all about damage

[amber siren]

no this is bad advice

[tame jungle]

hi folks, any tips for 1 boss SBG ? it hit so hard 23/24 ...

[midnight ridge]

??? what do you mean ?

[crimson bay]

u should be tracking both ignore pain duration+absorb and shield block

[amber siren]

you don't need to track ip at all

[round pendant]

You'll naturally have IP up by just using it as a rage dump

[crimson bay]

and preferebly u dont want to drop ignore pain on big keys atleast

[amber siren]

where are you getting this from

???

[crimson bay]

what lvl key u guys doing

[midnight ridge]

<-- at the moment at ~+15 .. so no big keys here 😄

[lime urchin]

shield block improves damage from shield slam

[crimson bay]

if u do academy bird boss 24+ tyra and dont have 100% on ignore

ur onetapped

if u do 15 keys

stfu

[amber siren]

the kind where 'don't use ip as a rage dump' gives someone an aneurysm

[crimson bay]

if u do 25+ keys

talk to me

on hight keys using ignore pain as ragedumpero nly

aint gonna work

[midnight ridge]

Oo pardon ? why stfu you me ?!

[crimson bay]

u be a dead tank all time

[round pendant]

@midnight ridge Ignore him

[crimson bay]

u teaching this poor dude

wrong

[limpid anchor]

@crimson bay so you are just toxic and have no clue about context?

[round pendant]

Ignore him more than you ignore pain

[crimson bay]

"dont use ignore pain"

[midnight ridge]

DUDE! I AM THE POOR DUDE!

[crimson bay]

other then rage dump

as wrong as it gets

[midnight ridge]

so leanr to read ffs

[round pendant]

Imagine being this confidently incorrect

[limpid anchor]

No one said that

[crimson bay]

i dint stfu u

[amber siren]

@crimson bay please stop, you're not helping anyone and you'll confuse new players who don't know any better

[crimson bay]

i wanna see u tank a 24+ key and only using ignore pain as rage dumper

ur healer should be able to maintain 30-40k dps also

from not healing u

the pros of warr tank is u take no dmg

if u only "ragedump" ignore pain

u will take hella dmg on hight keys

[amber siren]

that isn't how any of this works

[round pendant]

Idk dude, I use IP as a rage dump and IP is basically always capped

[limpid anchor]

Why do people even argue with someone who joined today

[crimson bay]

so if i joined today?

lol

[round pendant]

How long have you played prot war

[crimson bay]

as rage dump means u dont use it unless ur 100% rage to not cap

im 3100 rio prot

played for 1 week

how about u?

2000 rio 2 months?

[lime urchin]

oh god what a chad

[round pendant]

Big yikes

[jagged pier]

right lets calm this down

[lime urchin]

jesus christ

[jagged pier]

or i will mute

all of u

[round pendant]

yes daddy

[tame jungle]

so going back to sbg 1 boss, 23/24 it hits like a truck on steroids , any tips

[jagged pier]

use defensives when she has stacks

[crimson bay]

ye track ignore pain make sure u got it up all time and u take legit 0 dmg

rarely drop below 90% hp

in 25+ keys

[jagged pier]

thats not due to IP

thats more due to SB

but as they were saying playing the class correctly

gives that passive uptime on IP

u can track it if u want

I do

but if should be generating so much rage u press IP pretty regularly tbh and with tier set etc it just keeps it there espically in AOE

[crimson bay]

ye perhaps if good gear

[jagged pier]

no

[crimson bay]

in 398 ilvl running 24+ keys

[jagged pier]

if u play correctly

[crimson bay]

i kinda need to manage ignore pain

[jagged pier]

maybe so

[crimson bay]

each hit takes it from full to zero

basically

[jagged pier]

but calling them wrong and to stfu was also incorrect and a horrible way to approach things

[crimson bay]

well not tracking ip etc and claim u know how to prot warr proper when u run 13 keys where u can go blindfolded and do nothing but spamm 123 and still win

is just ignorant

[jagged pier]

i mean i do lower key than u because i dont like m+, but i help test build in beta and help theorycraft the spec does that mean i know less than you?

because my io is less?

[lofty widget]

like tracking IP can be useful for certain mechanics, but 95 % of the time it doesnt matter, cause youre spamming it so much anyways

[jagged pier]

those guys have been around in here and have listened to me and nome and mwahi explain things again again

[limpid anchor]

If you look at the top Rio people they all play scuffed builds

[jagged pier]

so they are just giving the information out about the class that we've told them

[limpid anchor]

They sure know better

[jagged pier]

like we are always willing to be told we are wrong we like stats to go along with that still wait on ppl to send me logs about things from months ago, because they know it isnt what they said it would show

your statement about crawth sure

he hits hard

u want IP up u also want to plan for the bleeds

but its not IP saving u there

[crimson bay]

if u dont manage having full IP pre peck

and maintaining it during

ur a dead man

[jagged pier]

thats speicfic to your char

as u said your al ready low ilvl

[lofty widget]

youre also generalizing the entire playstyle based on 1 boss

[jagged pier]

not only off 1 boss

off his char

i guarentee i wouldnt need ot care about it on crawth

[crimson bay]

no, but say u go nokhud 22, and u take 2-3 packs at first boss location

[jagged pier]

will i still have it up

[flint violet]

and IP cap scales with your HP (ilvl)

[jagged pier]

yes because playing correctly keeps IP up

[crimson bay]

and dont think of how u use ur IP etc

u wont make it

[lofty widget]

you will cause block is OP 🙂

for those packs

[jagged pier]

we arent saying about dont think about how to use IP your focusing too much on it

its not the save all end all

it does somthing

but in those pulls SB is doing far more for u

and again by playing correctly your pressing IP every 4-5 buttons anyway

[crimson bay]

does quite alot as i have abt 40k hps from ignore pain alone when i run key

i press it every 2-3 button

but ye maybe i play it wrong then i guess

dunno

[lofty widget]

IP "heals" more if you take more dmg as well

[uneven mason]

It's less about tracking IP and just understanding you'll need to shift more rage into defensive play, literally you're overthinking the use of the ability and not how the playstyle shifts

[jagged pier]

i mean u cant be playing correctly sounds like u arent pressing revenge at all

which is a huge part of our rotation

[crimson bay]

revange is my top dmg usually

next to shield slam

[round pendant]

I mean you're 398 ilvl so ofc you're gonna play more defensively than people who are 418

Which might mean more IP usages

But IP shouldn't be the deciding factor between living and dying in most cases

[uneven mason]

This if you're not mitigating properly on your other fronts it can inflates other aspects to appear more impactful

[crimson bay]

well as said

ill guess i wait til im 416 ilvl

and see how i feel about it then

but with a hp pool of 430k hp feels u need to manage ur ip

[jagged pier]

i mean i would be interested in see logs

[amber siren]

same

[uneven mason]

Yup

Datas

[lofty widget]

i think the real question is how are you still 398 with 3100 io, should have plenty of valor to upgrade your gear

[uneven mason]

Otherwise it's just feelycraft

[crimson bay]

i lvled warr 1 week ago

[jagged pier]

well as i said earlier we like stats

[crimson bay]

thats hpw im still low ilvl

[jagged pier]

and u dont log?

but thats what helps u improve

[crimson bay]

no im no endtier player

unless i do mdi or awc i dont see a point of logging

[round pendant]

Just spam some +2s to gear up it takes a few hours

[jagged pier]

you should always log

if u want to imporve

[crimson bay]

i use thunder clap on cd revenge and when i get shield procc i rotate between applying block/ip

[jagged pier]

yer u see ive been doing this a long time

ppl tell me that

[lime urchin]

I mean, doing 25s, within a week, with 398 ilvl and not logging to improve play. You are a troll or an absolute chad.

[jagged pier]

then they send me log

and its completely different

🤷

[jagged pier]

i mean his group could just be carrying hard as well

[amber siren]

[lime urchin]

true

[tame jungle]

398 25 god like gamer walking on water

[lime urchin]

^

[jagged pier]

i mean not really

[crimson bay]

u can tank 25 with 300 ilvl as warr as its the most busted specc in the game atm

[jagged pier]

ppl were doing that at the start of the season

it was just a while ago ppl forget

[jagged pier]

i mean we arent even the strongest tank but ok

[lime urchin]

well those people are pretty good players I think. at least above average

[round pendant]

I don't like that you can't filter rankings on WCL dungeons for ilvl

[jagged pier]

yer but u can get carried at that ilvl now if your whole group is 418 it will be far easier now

[lime urchin]

yea true

[crimson bay]

i only play trought lfg mostly

got 1 healer i play consitently with

but ye idc

idk

[amber siren]

no one is taking pug warriors through 24s at 398

[round pendant]

Dude I tried to run my own +21 TJS last night with my friend healer who's 2200 rio

and people would join and see his rating and just leave

[amber siren]

i guess unless youre running your own key but still

huge red flag

[crimson bay]

i only run my own keys and my main tank is 3200

[round pendant]

Eventually got a group and dude just griefed first boss and left pog

[crimson bay]

so ppl trust my "main io" i guess

[amber siren]

could you link?

[crimson bay]

just check top 10 brew

and u will find me

[amber siren]

i meant your war

[crimson bay]

u find my warr trought my brew

[amber siren]

no thanks

[crimson bay]

on IO

[round pendant]

Or you could state your name?

[tame jungle]

googling fast

[round pendant]

Why do people just lie on the internet

[lime urchin]

thats what the internet is for, sir

[crimson bay]

internet is for trolling i would like to say

[languid light]

Just give the name of your warrior. You’re trying to make a point here, why make people work for it

[lofty widget]

cause there is no warrior

[crimson bay]

ill just let u find out by urself mate

[amber siren]

there's nothing to link, just another 'warrior is op so im going to pretend im 3100 io in 1 week' troll

so fun and original

[languid light]

Confirmed troll

[rain kestrel]

Lmao

[crimson bay]

lol

[jagged pier]

i mean this OP narative can just die we arent even the strong tank and havent been for weeks now

[rain kestrel]

Imagine believing in this ape

[jagged pier]

we never were to being with

just streamers spent like 2 hours on each tank in beta instead of actually testing

[crimson bay]

🤣

[rain kestrel]

Wow , the hat fitted

Confirmed

[lime urchin]

meh, this was again only medium popcorn

[round pendant]

Fascinating

[lime urchin]

it was too shallow

[crimson bay]

hahaahahah

how cant u catch onto it earlier

....

im dissapointed

[lime urchin]

still waiting for some juicy, salty codex-popcorn still

[tame jungle]

@jagged pier whats your view as strongest ( self sustaining ) tank dk or pala?

[jagged pier]

hey your lucky we werent BDK they got it coming back at the start of the season

[lime urchin]

uh oh

[crimson bay]

obv im not 3k been pvper for last 3 expacs just got bk into pve since current pvp state is awful

[round pendant]

Jokes on them I was only pretending to be stupid

[jagged pier]

pick your poison do u like 2handers more or a shield more

[crimson bay]

originally just came to get help regarding trinkets

[lime urchin]

I wish I could say that 😦

[crimson bay]

wich jakey here may be able to help me

[jagged pier]

someone answered no?

[crimson bay]

ye i guess

[jagged pier]

i mean the 2 u should run are whetstone and all totem

thats the 2 best u want

but greiftorch boon the m+ 1 i forget

all have their places

[crimson bay]

aight aight

[round pendant]

What's the best tank now then if prot is mid

[crimson bay]

pally

will be atleast

[jagged pier]

pally bdk

monk

all better tbh

[crimson bay]

i dont agree with u there

[jagged pier]

all tank close tho so who cares

[crimson bay]

or well ye

all tanks viable exept dru

[round pendant]

Poggers I made the right choice in levelling a paladin

I miss my prot paladin

[crimson bay]

dru kinda shiiite rn

[jagged pier]

there are 5 good tanks

[crimson bay]

only issue with monk tank is

the skillcap is huuuuge

compared to say warrior tbh

[jagged pier]

yer doesnt mean its worse

[crimson bay]

got both and i feel stronger on warr 400 ilvl then i do on monk 410

when it comes to taking dmg

[merry trout]

tbh i feel most comfortable on war for high keys

[crimson bay]

when it comes to doing dmg brew seems superior

[shell mortar]

I mean idc about this convo but as far as I saw, any player worth their money spent 12 hours a day playing a variety of tanks

[jagged pier]

i mean they didnt

[shell mortar]

So that's just false

[jagged pier]

because they got stuff wrong about most of the tanks

[merry trout]

guess it depends on what style ur good with

[jagged pier]

that the theorycrafters found

like we've been saying since launch pala is giga strong

[shell mortar]

They're players not theorycrafters

[crimson bay]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ragnaros/sovyx?zone=32

[shell mortar]

Best example would be Dorki

[crimson bay]

here is the warr

btw

[jagged pier]

but all these top players said its garbage

[shell mortar]

Literally spent 24/7 playing every tank spec

[crimson bay]

so ppl can see i was just trolling

[round pendant]

I mean you had to say you were trolling to avoid embarrassment about making shit up

[shell mortar]

That's why players are players and not theorycrafters

[round pendant]

Damn I wish I was as good as Dorki

[crimson bay]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/protection/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

what about these?

[tawdry cove]

I main brewmaster and prot, brewmaster being high skill cap compared to other tanks is a myth

[shell mortar]

Brew just has far higher learning curve

[crimson bay]

i mean it depends, u have to track stagger chi stacks and healing orbs and plan using the orbs togheter with big dmg spikes

on warr for example ngl u just take it in the face and ur fine

[uneven mason]

But Jakey, on my paladin I have to press buttons and be spacially aware, on warrior I just bind SB and SS to W.

[merry trout]

dude i mained vdh, monk and war this xpac, i would have to disagree with monk being high skill cap

[tawdry cove]

Yeah you have 3 more dps buttons, but as long as you are button mashing them is fine

[crimson bay]

say tjs third boss the big debuff she applies second phase, if u good at brew u got 4 healing orbs r for when that hits, clear ur stagger top urself to 100%

and ur healer dont have to deal with outhealing the debuff

etc

thats the only kind of stuff i feel like im missing on warr

[round pendant]

War is good for everything except bleeds

[uneven mason]

Good thing they color code Stagger

[crimson bay]

and tracking stagger chi stacks and orbs meanwhile maintaining a good dps is rought

[uneven mason]

Imagine if they color coded IP

[tawdry cove]

Beginners track chi, you don't need to as long as you are pressing purifying brew on cooldown

[crimson bay]

ye well i for one dont press puri on cd

guess im a noob then

[amber siren]

[tawdry cove]

Well you should

[shell mortar]

No what

[tawdry cove]

Even if you aren't taking damage

[shell mortar]

What

Huh

No

Don't

[tawdry cove]

Or you lose your chi stacks

[crimson bay]

if i got green stagger, i press it, then i got cd 1 sec after i get red stagger i dont have it

nah

thats just ignorant dude

ngl

now i dont know if ur trolling

but thats the stupiediest statement i heard

[tawdry cove]

You have 2 charges, use 1 on cooldown keep other one for damage spikes

[crimson bay]

"dont need to track chi press puri on cd"

[shell mortar]

Just because you can press Pbrew on CD in weekly +10s without consequences doesn't mean you should in any relevant content

[crimson bay]

thats how beginners play

[shell mortar]

You only PBrew when you're taking real damage

When you've got high stagger

[crimson bay]

if u actually know how to brew u track ur shiit

clear hight stagger

track chi so u got 10 pre shield

track orbs for selhealing

[tawdry cove]

If you are not keeping your purifying brew on cooldown you are taking unnecessary stagger damage

[crimson bay]

just pressing prui on cd is just....

[tawdry cove]

Maybe that's why you think brewmaster is difficult

[shell mortar]

Holy

[crimson bay]

could u link ur

io

of ur brew pls

[shell mortar]

THERE IT IS

[crimson bay]

warcraft logs

[limpid anchor]

@crimson bay did you link yours yet?

[crimson bay]

yer

i did

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ragnaros/nerfwamen?zone=32

here is the brew

2 week old

but that dont rly matter

[limpid anchor]

So not doing 25s, aight

[crimson bay]

but claming u should just press puri on cd is the most ignorant statement i ever heard

[round pendant]

doesn't log very sadge

[crimson bay]

i dont log tho

[round pendant]

I mean why not stop insulting people?

[crimson bay]

just ask dendee

[tawdry cove]

I am sorry man

[crimson bay]

about that statement

[tawdry cove]

But it seems like you don't know how to play brewmaster

[crimson bay]

pressing puri brew on cd is the worst thing u can do as brew

ye i dunno i cba take this discussion ngl

[lime urchin]

Could y’all move to peak of serenity with this jibber jabber about brews?

[tawdry cove]

Lol why is it the worst

[crimson bay]

if u think its best to press it on cd u clearly dont know how to play

[lime urchin]

We discuss revenj here, not brewing

[tawdry cove]

You have 2 charges just so you can always keep it on cooldown

[crimson bay]

u dont press it on cd still

u press it when u need to press it

[tawdry cove]

Lol no

[crimson bay]

therefor u track ur stagger

[tawdry cove]

Why take unnecessary stagger damage

No wonder you think warriors are op

[crimson bay]

ye ur right mate!

bye

[tawdry cove]

Not keeping a charge of purifying on cooldown is like a warrior capping on rage

You are taking damage you don't need to take

[crimson bay]

ye ofc lol, but i ususally have no puri on cd

[tawdry cove]

And you risk dropping your chi

[crimson bay]

as if u take big dmg and get red u clear then u get it again clear then u ring and kite

till u got it bk

u dont just press it randomly

no u dont thats why u track ur chi obv

so u dont drop it

u dont have to press on cd to not drop it

[round pendant]

I wish you logged so we could pick your logs apart

[sick sentinel]

disgusting

i can only que 3 things for download at once with wow up

[crimson bay]

teach me how to log

and ill get u some logs

[jagged pier]

How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :

🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)

Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.

🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.

🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.

If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8

[sick sentinel]

U N I N S T A L L E D wow up

soon

[amber siren]

[jagged pier]

should probably remove that video

it was made in SLs

[sick sentinel]

i mean, an instructional driving tutorial video from 2011 in new york when you live in ohio does the same job really

the premise remains

[lime urchin]

Yogi being poetic af as usual 🫶

[rain kestrel]

Pls pin that

Mr Jakey

[jagged pier]

its too long for pins

[rain kestrel]

Im doing 23s and never logged bc i am a lazy fck, but i wanna get better and this will help hopefully

Oh no

[jagged pier]

we have a few of use that have that copy pasta

[shell mortar]

Anyone else's stuff from previous month's battle pass bugging out and not showing/showing as boxes?

[rain kestrel]

So from what im understanding there is no way to automate the log uploads ?

[strong forum]

Define automate

Cuz you can live log

[rain kestrel]

Upload automatically to Warcraftloga

[strong forum]

And it'll upload the log as soon as the encounter is finished, but you first gotta press the button to live log

[rain kestrel]

Okay so if i start the game and press live log and then go ahead and do a bunch of M+ they will all get logged ?

And uploaded ?

[strong forum]

You need an addon to autolog, but yes

Logging keys and encounters can be fully automated

Only the upload process you need to start yourself with the wcl uploader

[round pendant]

Loggerhead (addon) will log whichever encounters you want

That + Live Log and you can log your entire session by just pressing live log on the uploader

[rain kestrel]

Tysm

[round pendant]

When you first go into an instance after getting Loggerhead it'll ask if you want to enable logging for that specific dungeon/raid/whatever

[rain kestrel]

That makes it easier

[sick sentinel]

I use loggerhead

[lime urchin]

does live logging eat much of my computers memory? asking for a friend, who plays on a 11 year old mackbook

[jagged pier]

yes

[topaz field]

i guess your friend is not happy about that answer xD

[sick sentinel]

i got 4 tb hdd tand 64 gb of ram, and a good cpu gpu

[jagged pier]

i wanna know what his graphics are like

[sick sentinel]

so i never have to worry about background performance

my m.2 storage size sucks, but maybe i'll upgrade that, maybe not lol involves dismantling entire pc to get at the ultra m.2 slot, sata m.2 i can get at easy

[lime urchin]

this friend walking away and is sitting in a corner crying yet again

[jagged pier]

[old sinew]

🧠 I only just started leveling up BRM, I want to get all portals and all mythic mogs on all tanks, and my BRM does the worst out of all the tsnks I play (below even bear). I’m probably just playing it badly

I wonder feel like BRM severely lacks self-sustain tho. Even Warriors have sources of healing

[cinder storm]

Mr Jakey, is it possible to pin the link to the pasta comment, the whole thing is long but informative

[uneven mason]

Brm requires very precise playstyle, can't just w for win on them

[old sinew]

🪦

[topaz field]

u unfortunately missed the best brewmaster in the world by about 1 hour

[old sinew]

Damn, I feel like he could have been my sensei and taught me the ways. 🥋

[topaz field]

are u already playing m+?

[lime urchin]

Whatch your words, you may accidentally summon him

[dense hound]

Hey guys,
so what trinkets to aim for if i want nice dmg ? (No grieftorch rip)

I got a 415 whetstone but now i read the dmg it does is Split among all targets so only good for ST right?
Also got 408 Icon, Toe 405, Hoof 415 Scale 415

Guess i should valor the toe to 415 for aoe and use whetstone for ST but what to choose as 2nd

[topaz field]

because especially on lower keys your stagger doesnt go up and your entire toolkit around stagger feels kinda weird

[sick sentinel]

damn, wow token stonks

was 135-140k last i bought

[old sinew]

Leveling… as in actually leveling. My tanks are across the spectrum. Pwar is top 0.1% na, Bear is 2850, BDK is doing 19s/20s, VDH and ppal are freshly dinged, and BRM is lvling

[topaz field]

there u have your answer dont judge on a char while u are leveling it

[halcyon horizon]

300k on my realm like a few days ago

inflation hit hard

[sick sentinel]

i might have to buy wow tokens RN

there is item i want very much on AH

[old sinew]

Is this EU?

[lime urchin]

If you want to dump your rl money into pixels, I have this student debt waiting to be payed off

[uneven mason]

Whetstone still does good DMG, just not as much as others in ae, it increases to 5 then plateaus uirc

[plush tendon]

You can basically just Whetstone+Icon in a lot of scenarios

have extra valor, then boost hoof

[light field]

would you rather pick 421 shield or 421 shoulders with leech from vault? both would be upgrades from 415

[dense hound]

Ok ty guys

[plush tendon]

shield

[old sinew]

Eww imagine being poor. I view it as putting coins into the arcade machine. I’d rather pay real money to enjoy “premium WoW” and only play the part of the game I enjoy with no chores (aka M+)

[crystal mauve]

Shield yeah it might feel bad to let go of the leech but imagine having less damage taken on every hit you get in a dungeon

[light field]

ok thx!

[old sinew]

No required Torghast. No Korthia dailies, no farming world quests for gold or fiddling with mission table. Just getting to explore all of the different options in M+

[plush tendon]

I cant tell If I need this Shield TMOG or if it will just sit in my apperances

[jagged pier]

its sitting in my appreance right now

[old sinew]

Will look good with human heritage armor I think

[plush tendon]

Im a blood elf

like I would play human

gross

[old sinew]

I’ll probably rock it on my ppal since she’s human

[jagged pier]

then play it

factions dont matter anymore

[plush tendon]

yea, but its about finding a set or some mog that would fit

I dont think theres a Horde Lion themed TMOG set out there

[old sinew]

Almost certainly not

[plush tendon]

or with that shade of blue

[old sinew]

Lion - ally wolf - horde

[plush tendon]

I think I have to just have it though

just in case

[old sinew]

Yeah

The sword looks good too

Trading post is big lit this month

Last month I only bought mace

[plush tendon]

I need more trading post tokens blizz

[sick sentinel]

its NA

[plush tendon]

[sick sentinel]

Mastery increasing our chance to block is completely useless since we have 100% chance anyways right?

[plush tendon]

it also increases attack power and our chance to crit block

so its not useless, but it is our 'worst' stat generally speaking

[sick sentinel]

I'm aware but I'm specifically talking about it increase our chance to block

[jagged pier]

its doesnt increase our chance to block its increases our chance to crit block

[sick sentinel]

mastery really good, but versa better and crit betterer and haste bestest fwiend

I'm talking specifically about this line

I know mastery does multiple things

[plush tendon]

that part is unimportant

since we have SB

unless you playing hardmode and took SB off your bars for some reason

[remote venture]

About the last pack on ToJS, do you use Intimidating Shout on the pack? I read somewhere you can but I need to confrim from other sources

[lofty widget]

you can

[uneven mason]

Sb should have 100% uptime in proper gameplay

[crystal mauve]

Back when you couldn’t have 100% uptime it was relevant. You can also play into the fray and make it harder to keep 100% uptime. So with your build now it might be useless yeah

[topaz field]

am i trolling or all u guys trolling?

[sick sentinel]

this is what gaining/losing 771 mastery does for me

[topaz field]

crit block has absolutely nothing to do with sb uptime

[crystal mauve]

I use spell block and demo shout on pull for DRand aggro. When Spell block fade I Shield wall then CC what is still alive. I note that you can spell reflect early and have it back again after all of these CD. If nothing is dead after 30sec you have to kite a bit. At that point demo shout should be back too*

[plush tendon]

well, nothing to do is a stretch since you need to block a attack to have a chance at getting a crit block

[sick sentinel]

so, 771 mastery is 4.3% AP and 2.2% block chance and i think 7.4% crit block

do with that what you will

[plush tendon]

but assuming SB always up, then you have a chance to crit block based on your mastery

[topaz field]

okay because 2 minutes ago u said the opposite

[plush tendon]

[topaz field]

nobody remember why bfa prot warrior was broken? tripple bastion of might?

[plush tendon]

that was a LOT of stat

[old sinew]

???

[plush tendon]

also wasn't the only reason; there are a number of changes made and extra power that accumulated to the Prot War dominance in keys in BFA

[topaz field]

no i think the reason why mastery atm isnt that important is because your block value is just too strong

due to talent tree