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#protection
jagged pier
shell mortar
BDK Vs anything else S3 and S4 of SL?
sullen moss
sophic sophic or frozen sophic?
strong forum
Bdk did 40% more dmg than other tanks.
jagged pier
Oh yer cause mass grip isnt a think
strong forum
sophic sophic or frozen sophic?
Sophic
jagged pier
sophic sophic or frozen sophic?
Sim
pallid quiver
are you trying to argue that BDK was the only tank able to survive or something?
craggy pilot
BDK with gavel was stupid 😄
pallid quiver
I can't think of a shitpost reply to this. I'm getting rusty ;-;
shell mortar
BDK wasn't even the most damage in S4, prot warr theoretically was, it's just that it did that damage while not dying
jagged pier
Bdk was more
pallid quiver
only in ST with enough execute was that ever possible
strong forum
Doesn't matter which season
strong forum
Bdk was dumbfuck op in s3 and s4
Literally 30% more than any other tank
Pwar was 2nd
But bdk Was still massively ahead
shell mortar
But anyways, the point still stands, prot Pala and brew simply get more value from gear, or scale better or however you want to put it
craggy pilot
was Jaithys as OP For BDK in S2? i cant remember
strong forum
No
jagged pier
No they dont
jagged pier
was Jaithys as OP For BDK in S2? i cant remember
Nah jaithys was garbo
craggy pilot
Just feel like it must be hard for blizz to design 2hs with cool effects, when there is 1/5 tanks that can use it 🤔
Gavel was cool as fk
but making DKs OP like that is bad
pallid quiver
I like the idea of weps with special effects like that
but god damn does it actually feel bad and is hell for balance
craggy pilot
Did it impact the DPS charts at all?
like did Ret/DK/Warr pop off in DPS charts because of Gavel?
strong forum
Not as much as bdk, cuz it scaled with mainstat
And bdk had 40% more Str
Cuz tierset
craggy pilot
oh shit yes 🤣
strong forum
But in m+ gavel was disgusting
sullen moss
i was going to put sophic devotion on shield and frozen on weapon
put sophic on weapon by mistake
is putting frozen on shield fine
strong forum
You can only put enchants on weapons
craggy pilot
i was going to put sophic devotion on shield and frozen on weapon
gl with that bro
jagged pier
u cant enchant shields
pallid quiver
Gavel was still definitely a notable portion of damage, iirc, but didn't literally shit fury on DPS rankings
sullen moss
or should i accept loss
craggy pilot
Shield is not enchantable
sullen moss
oh really
shell mortar
No they dont
Ok, look, on paper, looking at DPS and whatever other numbers, yes, gear scaling is linear across the board, but bar that, talents/abilities getting more value with more stats than opposing spec talents/abilities + those tools being very valuable is more gear scaling
sullen moss
wowhead lied to me
strong forum
Arms and fury was in a really sad state in SL
shell mortar
Like technically fire mage doesn't scale more with gear but combust is just that much more valuable as a burst cooldown
craggy pilot
wowhead lied to me
link plz
strong forum
So gavel didn't help then
shell mortar
So if you can make your combust be more good you scale more
strong forum
Like technically fire mage doesn't scale more with gear but combust is just that...
That's a different story that I can agree with
strong forum
Playing and planning around large CDs puts diff value on things
shell mortar
That's a different story that I can agree with
Yes and it's the same with prot Pala and sentinel
So technically yes it doesn't scale better with gear but sentinel + supporting defensives are just much better buttons
Than what prot warr has available
strong forum
Im not gonna further comment on that statement, given that Andy literally switched off of his geared 418 paladin to play Prot warrior early in the season
Because he thought prot war was better
But then changed his mind later on
shell mortar
Prot Pala is just harder
strong forum
When he realised that the kicks and group healing from pally are much more beneficial
To timing keys
shell mortar
And there's always less value to strong cooldowns early in the season due to less knowledge about dungeons
amber siren
it's the same thing nearly every season, pwar does very good damage but utility and control always wins in m+
pallid quiver
hello yes i make hit rally, me save party
strong forum
Andy himself got baited into playing warrior by others
pallid quiver
what do you mean they need help again within 3 mins?
shell mortar
You do realise prot warr has nearly just as much utility. AoE kick, 3/4 stops and rally/intervene
Nearly
strong forum
Its not even close
amber siren
that's a huge cope
strong forum
To wogging, devo aura, 1min sac, bop/spell ward
craggy pilot
"just as much utility" 🤔
shell mortar
Off healing doesn't matter when you have spriest/boomy/enhance or any combo of them
craggy pilot
strong forum
If you can't agree with that
This convo leads no where
We'll just go in circles
No point
shell mortar
No, prot Pala has more utility, I'm saying pwarr has close to the same amount of group utility
strong forum
So let's just drop it
shell mortar
In a different form of more stops
craggy pilot
Grp shield wall coming back when? 👀
blazing condor
strong forum
Grp shieldwall would make us compete with paladin in 10.0.7, but pally will be a diff beast then
And I DON'T want that talent back
It should rot
craggy pilot
Prot pala getting buffed in 07?
strong forum
Massively
mortal brook
Tankadin was always better, just didn't have reps. Sillies
jagged pier
that talent can die in a hole
craggy pilot
thought its only Ret getting buffed 😄
jagged pier
Tankadin was always better, just didn't have reps. Sillies
what me and nome have been saying since week 1 of the expansion but ppl dont listen to us
strong forum
And they're huge
shell mortar
Aura swapping as paladin 
pallid quiver
Pal bot 1 because I'm hella biased against pink class, thank you and good night
shell mortar
2 gcds dropped every 30 sec
pallid quiver
Enjoy sleep, Nome
shell mortar
pallid quiver
rest well
drifting lance
what should shield block uptime be on avg across a key?
drifting lance
still fairly new to prot warr, could i drop a log for some pointers?
jagged pier
yer
drifting lance
jagged pier
yer u did
lime urchin
semi-popcorn
ionic fern
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cYNHDXqpF8vGWThV#fight=2&type=summary&sourc...
apart from talents its pretty good
lime urchin
didnt reach #codex levels
cobalt seal
Hello Cro.
how you doing today
thorn spruce
hi mwahi
ionic fern
Hi Woli. 
ionic fern
how you doing today
Very busy apparently as i missed popcorn. 😦
cobalt seal
amber siren
drifting lance
apart from talents its pretty good
jagged pier
but yer those talents are wack
I recommend u switch to the 'best imo build' in the pins
drifting lance
I recommend u switch to the 'best imo build' in the pins
yeah i can see why
will do
if theres something to drop for disrupting shout though, what would that be?
jagged pier
u dont
drifting lance
assuming i use the build in pins
warm plinth
Disrupting shout isn't going to be the deciding factor of whether that pull goes to hell or not
drifting lance
yeah i see what you mean
jagged pier
like your shout stopped 5 spells over the whole dungeon
it only stopped 2 stormbolts
drifting lance
mhm
jagged pier
so its really not doing much
drifting lance
cooldown on that thing is so long
jagged pier
int shout also is the same thing with same cd but u loose a lot less to take it
which is why the best imo build has it
drifting lance
craggy pilot
Disrupting shout isn't going to be the deciding factor of whether that pull goes...
does anyone actually use Disrupting Shout in keys? 🤔
have found 0 places where i felt i needed it
maybe on Imps COS if they were actually not free with PWar anyway
warm plinth
Some do
I don't
Only situation I know of that we use it is the Dathea adds or some shit in raid
jagged pier
its great on dathea
jagged pier
its okay on raz mythic but not for what u think
craggy pilot
theres not really any
tall cedar
jagged pier
ilvl
ionic fern
does anyone actually use Disrupting Shout in keys? 🤔
I've messed around with it in RLP/TJS.
craggy pilot
But i guess it's mainly used as a "save" if everyone else fucks their kick
ionic fern
I diddn't really save it. Just used it. 😂
Honestly, it was a nice QoL.
But definitely not needed in like 99.9% of the scenarios.
craggy pilot
i think most of the cases where i could need it, i can just use Shockwave instead 🤷♂️
craggy pilot
doesnt it only silence if they were casting?
ionic fern
Why would i use it if they aren't casting tho?
jagged pier
yes and only that school of magic
ionic fern
jagged pier
so if it has like a dangerous cast on another school
amber siren
You can cheese RLP first boss shield with it tho.
Is there a way to consistently get this?
craggy pilot
Why would i use it if they aren't casting tho?
well thats my point, theres not really a lot of places where you have 3+ people casting at the same time
jagged pier
it will just start spamming that one instead
ionic fern
Is there a way to consistently get this? <:detective:912341312907378689>
Takes some practice.
craggy pilot
Is there a way to consistently get this? <:detective:912341312907378689>
i think there is a WA for Prot Pala
ionic fern
well thats my point, theres not really a lot of places where you have 3+ people ...
RLP and TJS.
Depending on the pulls.
amber siren
I seeeee
ionic fern
It did make the TJS last boss room double pull easier.
craggy pilot
ah yea true
ionic fern
For the right+middle pack.
craggy pilot
if you do a lot of 2-3 pulls
ionic fern
Haven't tested left+middle yet.
dusty summit
Hi, may the gods bless your vaults conrades
rain kestrel
You can cheese RLP first boss shield with it tho.
Is this confirmed ?
dusty summit
Is this confirmed ?
yes. Andybrew has done its on live as protwar and paladin with Avenger Shield. But the time to do it is like, a minor gap is her cast
tame jasper
Is this confirmed ?
I only know that it works for Palas Svenger Shield and Hunters Wailing Arrow, but last is called to be fixed (no confirmation I know)
shell mortar
Disrupting shout big good if you do bigger pulls and don't have 4 melee kicks, not good if you're pulling pack to pack or doing low keys
That's kind of it
Or pugging
dusk tulip
This might have a simple answer but it's starting to bend me over abit the higher I go so haha jade palm phase of 3rd boss TJS how do I deal with it
shell mortar
Rotate defensives, don't panic
And check pins
And communicate with healer when you need help
warm plinth
I only know that it works for Palas Svenger Shield and Hunters Wailing Arrow, bu...
Wailing Arrow was already fixed
back on January 4th
tame jasper
Wailing Arrow was already fixed
Well. The avenger shield works in a way that you interrupt BEFORE the shield is up, not after
So slightly different from the text of the hotfix, where the interrupt happens after the shield is up
drifting pecan
Guys is it really shield block uptime a good stat to judge a good prot?
I mean the higher the uptime the better the tank?
jagged pier
no uptime means nothing
drifting pecan
Ok, cause I’ve been told I’m bad cause of a 75% uptime on a key :/
There are really moments where I don’t use it at all like little spiders on sbg
jagged pier
right well your being meleed there so u should have it up
uptime is a bad metric because it tracks total time, like if your kiting or running or the mobs are casting so it doesnt really show the full picture
we only really care about blocked hits
and yes more uptime in general means more blocked hits
but we cant tell that without logs really
tender cove
Any idea when s2 comes?
jagged pier
summer
tender cove
my guesstimate has it coming pretty much when diablo 4 comes
yeh, ofc it does xD
The officer healer my last guild funneled 4set, trinkets etc above dps? He was the one who left for a better guild, took his friends with him and make the entire guild collapse. I honestly haven't laughed so much in weeks xD
tender cove
I know, i just find it funny how they they acted, their demands on everyone else, how they talked so much shit and were the gods gift to raiding, all their insane loot rules with prioritizing wrong, treating people like 2nd class raiders and in the end? The one who fucked them was that officer who were talking the most shit. xD
amber siren
ember tangle
that exact thing has happened to me before aswell
sick sentinel
I know, i just find it funny how they they acted, their demands on everyone else...
some people never forgive and never forget
faint mica
is there alot of dungeons where whe NEED spellblock ? and do we play most of the time in battle stance or def?
oak heart
maybe halls of valor 2nd boss, spell block the shield of light, can hit hard in high tyrannical weeks, and use battle stance
faint mica
Teazir (pwar rio n°1 atm) is playing alot I mean really ALOT in def stance? Is he wrong?
median tulip
He's playing extremely high keys where survival is more difficult
oak heart
if you're pushing 28's you might need it 😛
brittle silo
1st thing is that in 28s you might get 1shot as a tank. But the more important thing is that even if you don't get 1shot as a tank. It's a fuckton of healing required on you anyway. Which is also needed on your dps players
oak heart
you shouldn't really copy what high level players are doing, their spec/playstyle is generally tailored to that specific scenario
brittle silo
^ this
ionic fern
Teazir (pwar rio n°1 atm) is playing alot I mean really ALOT in def stance? Is ...
Are you doing 28 keys?
If you want to play in dstance, go for it. 🤷
edgy belfry
on the other hand, dont stay in bstance just coz someone told you to and use dstance if you feel like you really need it
ionic fern
For me, in the 23-24 area, dstance isn't needed.
I swap into it for some specific mechanics from time to time but that's about it.
99% of the dungeons i'm in bstance.
faint mica
"if when playing correctly, survavibility is an issue, you should use dstance, else dont"
paper nexus
If you die in bstance chances are you just fked up something that dstance wouldn't change
topaz field
teazirs prot warrior isnt amaizing btw
hes a good player for sure
but his prot doesnt blow my mind
thats why his overalls are also kinda meh
pliant sierra
Fang vs Frostfire belt?
tender cove
Has anyone left their country and started over life somewhere else in a different country? After my closest family passed away couple weeks ago, i have nothing left here. No family, no kids, no gf, no job, no future, no nothing.
And the only way forward that I can think off would be to just reset and start over again but if I do, i'd have to sell everything and then I have even less here so it would be a permanent decision and its scary, i dont know what to do. I know its bit OT but i have to ask someone.
strong forum
brittle silo
Has anyone left their country and started over life somewhere else in a differen...
sir, this is wendys
dawn geode
Wtf
pliant sierra
Fang vs Frostfire belt? Cant really sim em vs eachother
oak heart
move to somewhere less expensive and lots of sun
strong forum
belt for fire rings, fang isnt anything special
fang is just 400-600 dps on average, just like any other embellishment
dawn geode
Move that over to a place where its not a bunch of people playing WOW
faint mica
belt for fire rings, fang isnt anything special
is belt weaker than others embelishs without rings or +/- same?
jagged pier
same tbh on average is does slightly more than some/ is more consistent on the higher end
strong forum
the main benefit of stat proc embellishments is, is that they translate better into aoe
pliant sierra
But what if no fire rings?
strong forum
then it doesnt matter
brittle silo
belt is good as that's a belt. low budget statstick compared to weapon. If you get 421 weapon u lose your fang.
brittle silo
and as smart guys stated above, it's the same dps anyway. 100dps +/- is not noticable compared to player mistakes during their rotation
strong forum
if you dont want fire rings or the belt, the bracers will be your best option, as they offer good stats on the item itself and its proc is absolutely consistent
brittle silo
if you dont want fire rings or the belt, the bracers will be your best option, a...
if you dont play raid a lot, I found CR wrists a better option sometimes. Even tho engi ressing as a tank is shit, it saved some keys of mine ^^
faint mica
what should I craft with last spark (5) ? after Shield/Weap/Lariat/Belt? I guess I should go for boots (decent stats stick without set part slot)
strong forum
i went with boots and regular wrists just for ilvl
brittle silo
<--- cr wrists for ilvl + nice on-use
tame jasper
<--- cr wrists for ilvl + nice on-use
This
sick sentinel
something not dog shgit
thats all i ask,i want hands, haste hands would be incredible rn probably, hands would be good, or a high tier trinket/weapon
I am totally for serious about i want the splinter from brackenhide hollow
sterile bough
thats why his overalls are also kinda meh
overall means nothing ;)
in these dungeons there is insane amount of padding
brittle silo
overall means nothing ;)
to a certain degree. More dps is most likely enabling you to do more mistakes or more 'risky' things
Padding is a great word used 90% of the time incorrectly. Especially in terms on m+ where you need to kill trash in order to get mob count
jagged pier
slim dove
either its AA/nok or too much tc
slim dove
tru
playing prevoker at 380 ilvl healing 15s wondering why the fuck anyone ever dies in my groups when i tank
this class is absurd
plush tendon
I tanked a 20 SBG on my 387 VDH last night
was super proud of myself
I only died once to the skeletons 4 pack cause I had no meta
sterile bough
Padding is a great word used 90% of the time incorrectly. Especially in terms on...
you need to kill trash at more or less equal time, not like u leave 1 mob at 50% ex. rlp destroyers Ive had so many teams where they just killed 2 smallies and destroyer was 50%
thats exacly called padding
strong forum
and thats precisely
sterile bough
people doing damage into infester's shas on TJS instead of letting people funnel off em
strong forum
why TC shouldnt be your top dmg
strong forum
yeah but this is azure vault
sterile bough
tc enjoyer I like him
plush tendon
no boon in NO?
sterile bough
;)\
sterile bough
boon in NO is dogshit
strong forum
its not even good padding
sterile bough
ye dk has cheat buttons
plush tendon
slim dove
hAhAA cheat death that works
plush tendon
also, hard for me to not run All Totem and Icon on my War for the bois
plush tendon
IBF for stun resist, AMS for magic stuff, and purg for dying to stuff
plus you got slappys so you can get mobs into the boon
strong forum
the only thing BDK cares about is "power attack"
and i guess dark claw, but that thing is just on a diff level
brittle silo
you need to kill trash at more or less equal time, not like u leave 1 mob at 50%...
depends on a mob. I agree with prio dmg, but overall doesn't care how the mobs die. in order to kill 3 mobs you need certain amount of dmg. It's the overall which stays exactly the same.
The pad on inferal / sha is fair point. Thought one could argue that it depends on a comp
sterile bough
not really
u have option of doing aoe rotation and ST one
aoe will give u more overall
st will give u better timer
depends on the class ofc
brittle silo
Depends on the comp. If you kill smallies u can chainpull and aoe nuke them down whilst getting bigmob slowly down
strong forum
idk im pulling pretty large numbers without padding for overall
brittle silo
It all depends, that's why 'padding' in terms of m+ is misused most of the time
strong forum
and anybody who does less, with higher TC usage, is kinda trolling if you ask me
sterile bough
ye that build is good
strong forum
solid 70k dps in every key
60k+ in smbg, 80k+ in Nokhud and AA
thats what id call, top level numbers in those keys
the higher you go in keylevel, the higher your overall in AA will be because dps will do less pad on lashers
plush tendon
NO is a fun key
strong forum
and focus more on important dmg
undone verge
NO is the only key from the DF pool I enjoy
strong forum
therefor pwar will automatically do more dmg on overall
undone verge
RLP Azure Vault and Algethar to an extent suck for me
plush tendon
except when ranged complain about the chargy bois
sterile bough
but they have to die asap
undone verge
That pull is fun because you have so much leech and rage gen you’re almost unkillable
brittle silo
theyre funnel in good groups
yea, blackpowder funnel 
sterile bough
they'd be funnel if u played these packs 1 by 1
but if u play them normally like eveyrthing at once
strong forum
theres also boss lashers
sterile bough
the faster they die the more dmg u deal with ur normal rotation on all classes
topaz field
they'd be funnel if u played these packs 1 by 1
i cant hear that funnel shit any more
there is no sub rogue
who presses st finisher
strong forum
sub rogue, feral and enha are funnels
sterile bough
vspeed
topaz field
ye sure
sterile bough
is having more evi casts than black powder
plush tendon
Shadow probably gets value to
topaz field
enhancers are the fotm class of the moment
brittle silo
but my overall
topaz field
for example in sjeles group ww does more boss dmg than enhancer on 2nd boss COS
which is very questionable
plush tendon
good WW
sterile bough
the smallies on 2nd boss cos on high keys are dangerous
topaz field
so either enhancer doesnt have good funnel
strong forum
sterile bough
like u dont do ST there as rouge
strong forum
its an old log
sterile bough
u acutally black powder
topaz field
ivaz is sub enjoyer tho and an ethical dps player
plush tendon
Ethical damage is important
topaz field
and if u do low overall as prot warrior it has nothing to do with padding
but is a result of poor cd management
and low st dmg
i was simply stating that teazir (he is an amaizing player, super good) but his prot warrior isnt the best
which comes to no surprise after he played monk for entire sl
the sad thing is that ull see less good prot warrior within the next weeks after prot pala stonks are rising
despite warrior still being absolutely demon lvl broken for m+
jagged pier
i think thats a bit of an over statement tbh
plush tendon
Questionable, seems like tanks are fairly well balanced
minus bears
but who cares bout bears
brittle silo
I've already seen some 22s being locked for ppal only so the healer has a backup ^^
plush tendon
topaz field
the bear in my group does more overall than any tank ive met so far
strong forum
bear slaps
brittle silo
It's not only pwar switching to ppal, it's the meta perception as a whole
stark jewel
some prot warrs will worry about overall and pad on adds but will send TC with violent outburst on bosses
jagged pier
because they are the highest dps tank
topaz field
yep and being tanky at the same time
strong forum
It's not only pwar switching to ppal, it's the meta perception as a whole
buddy is getting declined from 23/24s even from friends after he rolled away from VDH
topaz field
unless its azure vault 2nd boss area
plush tendon
Im not a bear enjoyer, so I subscribe to yall.... I just know that bear players tend not to be happy with their current tuning
strong forum
cuz hes a warrior
bear is king for dmg
BUT
they have to sacrifice a good chunk of surv to build for dmg
its either surv or dmg, cant do both very well
topaz field
and they absolutely suck against consitent magic dmg
strong forum
bear is only good if your name is Pumps
undone verge
Don’t diss my man Steve like that
strong forum
steve will agree
but also, you know pwar is in a poor state if both sense, me and i think also jakey, are bored of pwar
jagged pier
to easy
jagged pier
am kinda bored not gunna lie
plush tendon
Prot is fun, but Ive played a lot of prot this season already
sinful gazelle
cant get a single invite to a 20 as a 413 pwar. Must be doing something wrong
plush tendon
strong forum
cant get a single invite to a 20 as a 413 pwar. Must be doing something wrong
wrong shield tank
people only want whats fotm
and thats pally now
jagged pier
if the pala changes go through
topaz field
next week every enhancer will be ele main
brittle silo
if the pala changes go through
is that not commited yet? They're already gigagood, with the buffs it's gonna be nobrainer to just go with ppal
brittle silo
I wouldn't be surprised if puggers will pick lower score/ilvl ppal over anything else ^^
plush tendon
I have a hard time thinking Prot Paladin is really that much better then anything else tbh
sinful gazelle
where did this fotm come from? not one ppal in mdi
jagged pier
I wouldn't be surprised if puggers will pick lower score/ilvl ppal over anything...
they already are
sick sentinel
"GUYS WHAT ITEM DO I TAKE?????!!!???!?!??" is coming soon guys
cloud umbra
It’ll only be an issue in high keys
sick sentinel
another 30 minutes or so
strong forum
I have a hard time thinking Prot Paladin is really that much better then anythin...
its sac, wog, bop, freedom, dispel, spell warding, infinite interrupts
and devo aura
undone verge
I have a hard time thinking Prot Paladin is really that much better then anythin...
Because it’s not, people perceive it to be so much better because all the top players run it because it is the best
brittle silo
It’ll only be an issue in high keys
I'm in mdi zone and it's not high at all. It's already an issue
topaz field
luckily palas dont have a combat rez... wait a minute
plush tendon
its sac, wog, bop, freedom, dispel, spell warding, infinite interrupts
yea, but I have battle shout; dont you want to do more damage Mr. Rogue 😛
strong forum
do they know you have that?
ionic fern
I barely see rogues..
strong forum
its not in the fotm book
ionic fern
cloud umbra
I'm in mdi zone and it's not high at all. It's already an issue
You won’t always get invited no matter what class it is though. I’m still getting in 23s fairly easy. I’m sure itll be slightly less next patch
topaz field
i mean i understand that ppl want pala/dk/bear if they have no CR in group makes sense to me
cloud umbra
No one wants a bear haha
jagged pier
divine toll spell warding off healing not to metion everything else
pala is insane
spell warding can stop the RLP bleed i hear as well
brittle silo
You won’t always get invited no matter what class it is though. I’m still gettin...
2-3 weeks ago I got almost insta invite to every key within +1 range of my current score. Now I gotta wait and read all the notes 'ppal only'. It's already happening. Not to an extent of waiting an hour in a que, but still
timber terrace
Prot Pala is just comfort it handles most of the interrupts, saves ppl with wog/sac/bop/spell warding, doesn't die often because of the 45 seconds cheat death and bubble taunt
It's a good tank in the way you can do other people's job
cloud umbra
That’s fair. Yea I’ve never been insta to every key but it still feels pretty consistent still. I’m sure it’ll get slightly worse. War still solid
sterile bough
2-3 weeks ago I got almost insta invite to every key within +1 range of my curre...
atleast u have keys in a queue
brittle silo
atleast u have keys in a queue
yea, like 7 xD
sterile bough
I have most of the time 0 that I need
timber terrace
It does absolutely no damage on single target tho
jagged pier
i mean i do if i do keys
plush tendon
Real strat, sell 20s
topaz field
i dont think prot pala is an easy to execute tank
jagged pier
wish 5 tank was still a thing used to rat keys at this time of the season and it was actually fun
ionic fern
Prot Paladin is the best PuG tank..can take care of everything and everyone.
strong forum
5palas will happen instead
ionic fern
strong forum
but im not gonna partake in it
sterile bough
5 tanks should still work no?
strong forum
ofc
strong forum
yeah but the project ended for us
cloud umbra
Zmok showed how good pally was month ago doing +23 no healer keys haha
jagged pier
strong forum
theyre doing a new project instead
ionic fern
5 healer keys.
jagged pier
tbf the new project is kinda cool
timber terrace
I think it just got amplified a lot by palas getting small buffs and naowh/dorki playing Pala even tho the only reason naowh is playing Pala is he wants to play ret next patch
brittle silo
Zmok showed how good pally was month ago doing +23 no healer keys haha
he did exactly the same in SL when bear was broken
timber terrace
It's not just prot Pala healing these keys tho the one I watched had ret/spriest /enhance cycling their offheals
cloud umbra
Yea healing a RLP as a prot pally 🙂
strong forum
It's not just prot Pala healing these keys tho the one I watched had ret/spriest...
yes, thats the "secret"
cloud umbra
Yeah VE is insane
strong forum
he doesnt play with classes that will need alot of healing
cloud umbra
The tyrannical 23 cos was spriest boomy enhance. All 3 off healing classes
brittle silo
i wanna see him run no healer runs without 2 enhancer or 2 shadowpriests
imho easily doable on 20. On 24+ you might need some help
brittle silo
youll never see a hunter or warrior in there
Already played with Biz and Naowh iirc
timber terrace
Fury warrior with the gushing wound build requires no healing I was doing keys with that early in the season
topaz field
the arms warrior in my group requires absolutely zero healing throughout a key
undone verge
Furry warriors should just never die to any bleed out
sick sentinel
youll never see a hunter or warrior in there
@strong forum zmok was literally playing with a warrior today
jagged pier
yer cause IP is part of the rotation for arms
strong forum
powerful
timber terrace
The current meta fury build doesn't selfheal that much it's mostly gushing wounds and bloodthirst doing the job
sick sentinel
Fury seems like the easiest spec in the game , legit seems like 1 1 2 1 1 2 execute 2 1 1 2
slim dove
I have a hard time thinking Prot Paladin is really that much better then anythin...
theyre pretty busted.
strong forum
fury rn is just RB 3000 times, then press rampage for enrage
slim dove
Fury seems like the easiest spec in the game , legit seems like 1 1 2 1 1 2 exec...
the rotation is very straightforward and spammy
timber terrace
It's a button mashing spec with procs and a bit of rng, it's really straight forward but also not obvious to play perfectly
distant crystal
once all the tanks can survive melees well
pala's spell mit and giga kicks get kinda big eh
strong forum
yes
slim dove
reck/rav on 30 sec CD, rampage > execute > onslaught > RB prio
strong forum
which was obv from the start
slim dove
thats it
slim dove
the prot pals i heal on my prevoker feel like gods
jagged pier
that has nothing to do with gear btw
slim dove
meanwhile all the prot wars have 10% SB uptime
jagged pier
pala been like that since launch
slim dove
sick sentinel
Is there any point where mastery becomes really good for us if we can like crit block 100% of hits ??
strong forum
no
brittle silo
reck/rav on 30 sec CD, rampage > execute > onslaught > RB prio
and that's the fun part of the spec. You dont have to think. Just zugzug and enjoy yourself
jagged pier
no
plush tendon
Im having a lot of fun on mine
timber terrace
Sentinel fixed the issue of palas getting trucked when they pull a pack
strong forum
mastery is our worst offensive stat, you cant reach meaningful levels of mastery to outshine other stats
its good when its free
strong forum
but when it comes with opportunity cost, it not as good as other stats
thats why banner/BOM where so good
they didnt come at a cost
timber terrace
Prot Pala is more boring than prot warrior to me because it doesn't have much to it really the spec feels really empty
plush tendon
I just know Ive done like 200+ keys on the War and maybe a quarter of that on the Paladin
strong forum
ill never play pally cuz i just dont like the theme
plush tendon
so, its just more new
strong forum
idc about numbers
plush tendon
you dont want to be Captain America?
strong forum
rn im enjoying healing the most
plush tendon
rn im enjoying healing the most
brittle silo
I mean, divine toll is fun to press
strong forum
cuz tanking is quite boring
timber terrace
My pala literally has half the binds of my brew and after playing Pala for 2 days I'm there wondering what I could improve on and it's really not that much
plush tendon
I dont even think my healer friends enjoy healing
strong forum
healers actually get to do smth
as pwar you just kinda sit there
only pumping dmg
plush tendon
do you play a chad resto shaman?
strong forum
prevoker
plush tendon
ewww
slim dove
the true chad
strong forum
but i was hard contemplating rsham again
slim dove
bro fr this spec is so hype
timber terrace
Healing requirements are pmuch non existing until high keys you're just sitting there minmaxing terribly low dps I don't find it that engaging tbh
topaz field
what do u mean
strong forum
if you didnt play healer in 11 years
topaz field
u heal all the fucking time
plush tendon
this coming week is great for healers
topaz field
nonstop
plush tendon
slim dove
i played rdruid for 12 years
strong forum
healing 20-21 hyrja, vexamus and crawth
topaz field
whereas in previous expansions u were not required
topaz field
all affixes are anti healer
strong forum
otherwise you die in 3 ticks
slim dove
echo ramping is 10/10
topaz field
i dont know how u think healers have nothing to do
strong forum
healers have by far the most to do rn in keys
topaz field
yep
strong forum
unless youre one of those healers
plush tendon
but ya know, thats just how it is
strong forum
that never does dmg
and is only staring at hp frames
then yeah, you might feel like theres not much to do sometimes
but if i dont do 30k+ dps in keys rn
im not happy as healer
slim dove
it matters big
plush tendon
Resto druids also chug mana like a hummer
topaz field
but they dont need mana
timber terrace
I'm not saying they have nothing to do but it's kinda obvious you set up for big damage just like you'd set up on a dps I don't find it especially challenging or interesting in vault keys at least
topaz field
u only need mana for moonfire
cloud umbra
Rdruids mana is great. Damage is so much harder than prevoker
timber terrace
Like on my druid I spend 80% of my time weaving beetween cat and human dotting everything just to do 20k dps while my group is being kept alive by 2 lifeblooms and an efflo
strong forum
well if youre doing your weekly keys with 418+ chars
slim dove
DB sometimes
topaz field
rlp 24++ fucking slaps
strong forum
its the same as healing 16s with 400
strong forum
but im doing demon keys where only 1 or 2 people are above 400 ilvl
jagged pier
heal me on a 20
topaz field
also very heal intense
strong forum
that shit is intense
cloud umbra
Natures vigil will carry your damage in those keys
strong forum
if you havent played healer in decades
timber terrace
I just feel like healers don't get checked enough and they're crying as soon as the game asks them to have a clue what they're doing
strong forum
breh
topaz field
that was the case in SL
strong forum
healer by far the most important role this xpac
topaz field
where u wouldnt notice if u had no healer until last boss
timber terrace
dusky canopy
“No healer +20s”
cloud umbra
Almost Every single affix screws the healer lol
dusky canopy
cloud umbra
Quaking tyrannical Hyrja 🤮
plush tendon
I play a prot paladin
timber terrace
Healers are really strong now compared to what they were in sl, even after they nerfed them with the damage and hp buff
strong forum
and so are healing requirements
dusky canopy
Quaking tyrannical Hyrja 🤮
Trust me I know! bricked key back to back at hyrja from quaking.. 22hov > 21hov > 20 timed finally…
timber terrace
You can top people multiple times in a row really fast
cloud umbra
Sounds like you are talking about a prevoker
topaz field
if u could enlighten me
strong forum
evoker needs to commit multiple CDs for that
topaz field
how i top ppl several times
sick sentinel
wtf game not playable reeee
strong forum
evoker has 0 on demand healing that doesnt come with a setup
plush tendon
^
sick sentinel
this is 100% unexpected Kappa
plush tendon
facts
cloud umbra
Rdruid requires a ton of globals to setup too
strong forum
sure but they dont disappear after 1 heal
you gotta set up every time you heal as prevoker
every single aoe
comes from echoes
solemn current
I mean my resto shaman would probably need to commit ascendance, ancestral guidance, and have both high tide stacks and cloudburst up buffed by flame shock for each to to even come close to toppingmultiple times
cloud umbra
True. But with that setup comes instant 0-100
strong forum
once, then for the 2nd time you need to unzip another CD
for hyrja you need to top people 3 times
in 1 eye in the storm
sinful gazelle
you gotta set up every time you heal as prevoker
if you properly set up heals pvoker is so fun and easy
topaz field
and do u enjoy quaking as healer?
plush tendon
no one enjoys quacks
topaz field
luckily next week u wont be affected by any affixes
cloud umbra
We have an evoker healer in my group , I wish I’d learn it though. Rdruid just comes natural to me so i stick with the low damage spec
strong forum
next week is burstin grievous tyr
topaz field
xD
strong forum
its literally the healer week
plush tendon
fun healer week
topaz field
how could i forget every week is healer tank affix
plush tendon
we arent
cloud umbra
Yea best healer Week ever /s
topaz field
grievious isnt a problem for evoker r druid
plush tendon
or be like my Resto Druid friend and say 'its feral time lads!'
topaz field
but its still extra
its just stupid u combine that with bursting
in for example tjs
plush tendon
like, thanks dudu.... but whos gonna heal now
topaz field
compelte trolling
topaz field
its already banned this week without evoker
because ppl cant press defs on sha explosion
cloud umbra
Just gotta have a spriest 4head
sick sentinel
reminder to launch your curse forge client so you can auto update any addonse that may require udpates
strong forum
its the thing thats better than curseforge
sick sentinel
i know about a 1 up in mario, gives you an extra life
apparently wowup IS curseforge
dusky canopy
No I think all that means is wow up will just be able to include addons only on curseforge now
sick sentinel
legit i never heard of it until now
you filter so much bullshit when your on internnet like i am
sick sentinel
like, i heard of WTFast back in wrath, and i heard extemely mixed things if i made u lag out or not
strong forum
sick sentinel
i'll check out the curseforge one first
strong forum
its 10x quicker than CF
sick sentinel
i also run outplay recording, and that runs on CF as well
sinful gazelle
wen vault
sick sentinel
the nvidia one is okay, but its not perfect, or its definitely not as simple as outplayted
sick sentinel
i can easily find video in out played assuming i recorded, and then see why priest dies to explosive
thats why outplayed, no other reason
sinful gazelle
loot specing arms for whetstone or trying to go from 418 to 421 shield hmmm
vagrant oracle
Oddly enough, that is the same thing I'm debating on rn.
plush tendon
cause my war is sat for the rest of the tier for my DK now that we on Brood and Raz 😦
honestly, DK makes the raid a snoozefest
fallow nova
Oh yeah, I guess I should swap back to prot loot now that I have whetstone lol
sick sentinel
my weapon is good, my trinkets are pretty good so its i can open as either and its good
vagrant oracle
When WoW comes back up, going into Droptemizer to see what the biggest boost would be.
sick sentinel
i got all the stats on gear i want , expect for my hands
sinful gazelle
trinket is my biggest problem rn so i guess rolling for a whetstone is optimal
vagrant oracle
I've got pretty good trinks across the board. Something for every situation.
sick sentinel
ring is, whatever, i have the the fire ring dmg and its not haste, oh no.... anyways...... moving on..... i just get another haste ring from any of the dungeons and valor it for 250 a piece, very hard to replace
sinful gazelle
a 415 Whetstone is fine though
if I ever saw one drop in the 30+ runs i'd agree
vagrant oracle
I got my whetstone off a 3 while farming valor.
sick sentinel
thats fine
vagrant oracle
Guess where all that valor I had just farmed went?
plush tendon
we just handing them out like candy now
sick sentinel
400 valor ie 2 on time runs where at least 1 person gets IO (READ: do a carry in a baby key for someones alt)
you get 65 extra valor, and 135 for timing
vagrant oracle
if I ever saw one drop in the 30+ runs i'd agree
Stack up a bunch of melee DPS and burn through 2's lol. Increase that drop chance.
twilit peak
What’s the 2 trinkets we want for port warrior? I’m assuming the Whetstone and the one from Nokud offensive or RLP.
Until you get raid trinkets
vagrant oracle
For M+ I run whetstone/all totem/Ruby. Raid usually whetstone/whispering.
slim dove
outside of raid, hunger + whetstone
with raid available, whetstone/grief + all totem (for m+) and whetstone/grief + icon for raid.
sinful gazelle
outside of raid, hunger + whetstone
why hunger if I might asak
plush tendon
Crit stat stick
sinful gazelle
dont see it on any lists
vagrant oracle
I don't tend to run all totem unless I'm tanking 100% of the time. So Brood or M+.
slim dove
crit gud
vagrant oracle
Or Council - Good point. Whispering only in raids if at least 2 other people have one (which is common now).
slim dove
crit = parry and dmg
plush tendon
Im always running Icon
slim dove
i run icon in m+ if my healer + dps have it over whetstone
plush tendon
everyone and their mother has a Icon now
slim dove
youd be surprised.
plush tendon
at least in my guild
slim dove
ive seen 0 drop in 5 council heroic kills / 3 mythic kills
ive seen it in my vault once thank god
vagrant oracle
You really need 2 other people to have the whispering equipped for it to beat out other trinkets at same ilvl
I've seen it drop 2-3 times on normal and once on Heroic. I have 2 myself lol
plush tendon
yea, its not end all be all if you dont have one
I feel like theres a pretty solid selection of trinkets this tier
though a little weird that All-Totem has to be off of Kurog; feels like a perfect M+ trinket
slim dove
its nothing absurd like a cheat death trinket, but all-totem feels very very strong for m+.
plush tendon
same with Decoration (wouldve been good if the numbies were there for it)
but alas, its a stop gap trinket for rat alt tanks
vagrant oracle
I like all totem in M+. The initial damage is a alright - But the secondary effects are pretty nice. Procs often enough.
ocean finch
Do we really need vers badly for pwarr in m+? +22 and above?
jagged pier
no
ocean finch
Got my lariat and gems for arms atm (haste+crit), but that might not matter?
jagged pier
doesnt matter at all
karmic plinth
haste crit is more than fine to gear for as prot
topaz latch
hey guys! new player here. usually play brew but i get mentally exhausted after a few dungeons wanted to try a tank that doesnt have as much upkeep or keybinds. how is warrior for that?
jagged pier
play druid if u dont want keybinds
vagrant oracle
Hey they have to press Ironfur.
topaz latch
play druid if u dont want keybinds
lolol already gave that one a shot
turns out i really like shields and brews
and theres no drunken shieldmaster
sick sentinel
vault of not very good
sick sentinel
sinful gazelle
THE NATTY ROLL
sick sentinel
its BETTER, sorta, but whatever, i'll take it i guess incase i decide to start liking mastery
slim dove
das it mane
sick sentinel
does anyone have a link to a good M brood egg route?
covert topaz
rustic trench
should i take a 421 vers > mastery shield with leech over my 415 eranog shield?
sick sentinel
753 mastery lol
covert topaz
thats what my guild did last week
sick sentinel
4 eggs! monka
sick sentinel
is that the strat for prog?
covert topaz
i mean i guess? we killed it last week using that. the first 4 eggs is fine since everyone is on boss anyway
that looks hc to me
twilit peak
My bad lol
deep spruce
Yeah thats deffo heroic
slender terrace
twilit peak
Thought you said H for some reason lol
sinful gazelle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/65961069566242816/1080155569043820645/ima...
you have 421 bracers?
spring thunder
Question. I have a 418 Crafted Shield and 415 Shoulders (valor upgraded Serpent Strike). The shield is a 3pt upgrade, the Shoulders at 6pt. Does the slightly extra block on the shield worth not taking the shoulders?
spring thunder
No.. We only farm the first 2 Mythic bosses 🙂
deep spruce
Then u will never get higher than 421 shield
so u should go shield
any 421 shoulders could be made into tier
spring thunder
Ok tyvm!
twilit peak
Are most of you using Sophic Devotion or Frozen Devotion?
lone eagle
Question. I have a 418 Crafted Shield and 415 Shoulders (valor upgraded Serpent...
Also realistically you'll want to do most of your vault opening in Arms for trinkets and stuff until you're good on them
So now's a good chance to cutdown on the downsides of that
hollow hill
I feel like I can never upgrade or change any of my gear now. My strength stat is perfect
Also had a question, is blazebinders any good for M+?
spring thunder
Also realistically you'll want to do most of your vault opening in Arms for trin...
I only just recently switched to Prot for higher keys, but I've been opening in arms every week for sure. This is the first week I opened as prot. So you're saying go with the shield and get that out of the way and from here on out keep opening as Arms correct?
deep spruce
Also realistically you'll want to do most of your vault opening in Arms for trin...
Should open as fury, to still get chance at 1h weapon
deep spruce
I only just recently switched to Prot for higher keys, but I've been opening in ...
once you have a shield at max level, theres nothing else u need that u only get as prot
strong forum
Also had a question, is blazebinders any good for M+?
One of the better m+ trinkets, yes
spring thunder
once you have a shield at max level, theres nothing else u need that u only get ...
Awesome...and thanks for the suggestion on Fury for a chance at 421 1H
lone eagle
I only just recently switched to Prot for higher keys, but I've been opening in ...
Yes, take the shield then keep opening as arms until you have the trinkets you want
Then you can go back prot and start fishing for a 1h
deep spruce
Then you can go back prot and start fishing for a 1h
or just open all as fury to get a chance of fishing for both?
lone eagle
The problem is you inordinately overpower your lootpool with weapons then imo
Which you could definitely do if you exclusively want a weapon
deep spruce
But that lootpool would be 1h weapons
lone eagle
and 2h weapons
deep spruce
but the 2h weapons u can get as arms anyway
lone eagle
you'd be diluting your ability to get trinkets
deep spruce
so if u still need 421 1h, u open as fury
if u dont need shield or wep, u open as arms
lone eagle
Depends on if you're targeting something or not
lone eagle
If you're trying to prioritize getting your good trinkets first, opening as Arms limits the lootpool more
royal rune
if you catalyze waist do you lose socket?
strong forum
no
deep spruce
thats not mythic bud, thats heroic
royal rune
sweet
deep spruce
If you're trying to prioritize getting your good trinkets first, opening as Arms...
yea
lone eagle
If you're trying to get a 1h, opening as prot is better once you have your trinkets so you don't get 2h and tank trinkets are slightly less common than dps trinkets off the top of my head, so its a more limited lootpool. If you don't care what you get at all and are happy getting a 421 1h or a dps trinket, Fury is probably optimal
just depends on what you're targeting
strong forum
^
deep spruce
just depends on what you're targeting
100%
dusty mica
thats not mythic bud, thats heroic
mb
lone eagle
The reason people target trinkets a lot early though is that there are uniquely powerful trinkets that you can't craft, but you can craft a perfectly statted 418 1h
waxen wedge
what's higher prio for prot, HC icon or seal of diurna?
prisma crane
its BETTER, sorta, but whatever, i'll take it i guess incase i decide to start l...
why not just lariat?
lone eagle
so might as well craft the 418 1h, optimize your trinkets then fine tune your weapon last
left cave
suggestions?
i will have 2 charges on the revival catalyst
i already ahve a helm with socket i will convert anyway
deep spruce
U could upgrade any helm from m+ to 415 and turn it into tier, but that would be biggest upgrade outright
left cave
in my inv
deep spruce
Gloves probably
deep spruce
Yup
left cave
shoulders are satying there anyway lol
deep spruce
Then thats ur glove slot bis
deep spruce
well, bis unless u get 424 ones from whichever of the last 2 mythic bosses drops them 🙂
left cave
yeahhh i dont do mythic lmao