I run it if you want your dps to have better uptime, but you don't really need it there
#protection
jagged pier
spell block does nothing in AA
cinder storm
Well, you can tank vexamus better 
slim dove
its a non-affix for prevoker.
cinder storm
Imagine if spell block, blocked bleeds
slim dove
every green spell takes off a stack
cinder storm
For some reason
slim dove
press 2 buttons and every group 100% hp
cinder storm
press 2 buttons and every group 100% hp
And their mana is always 100%
slim dove
while also doing 40k overall
grizzled hinge
Do you guys see heavy shield block down time if you take Into the Fray over Heavy Repercussion?
jagged pier
u will in m+ yes
cinder storm
I'm a disc priest enjoyer, my duo don't really want to swap to evoker, says it's too boring and will fall asleep in keys
grizzled hinge
Not worth it for me then, thanks
cinder storm
Still, I wish she'd swap already
sick sentinel
it's a shame that xbox controllers suck ass
or i'd continue playing more xbox probably and never come back to wow
ever since the 360, shit controllers, and then its 40-100$ a year to get a new one, cost of a new game ffs!
cinder storm
Yogi, no one really stops playing wow, we all take breaks, either long ones or short ones
sick sentinel
middle panda to bfa.0 break for yogi, i was interested after illidan kills narru cinematic on youtube
and then i saw the bfa cinematic immediately after and rest is hisory
dusty mica
I should be fine tanking 16s at 392 ilvl right? 12-14s haven't been too bad, thinking the pugs will be a little more knowledgeable at a higher level. That and working up some concentrated primal infusions
cinder storm
Yeah
vital oak
16s are cancer. Go for 17s.
sick sentinel
the game is WAR craft, okay, its about dragons, dragons are cool, who are they warring against? this is quit unclear to me
dusty mica
16s are cancer. Go for 17s.
lol ill take what i can get i think. Maining feral im used to not getting any invites so
dusty mica
Gotta be better than spamming 11-14 CoS
I know feral pumps. Its other people that are the prob
sick sentinel
he may have a low ilvl/io
vivid sonnet
Currently rocking granyths and an whetstone, just got my blazebinders hoof dropped
sick sentinel
why no invites then?
dusty mica
17s arent the prob tbh, its getting into 19/20s
vivid sonnet
should i swap the granyth out for the hoof?
cinder storm
Granyth is meh
vivid sonnet
alright~!
cinder storm
nah 2500
Not saying this is your case, but there's many people in the 2800 range that are pepega
dusty mica
Not saying this is your case, but there's many people in the 2800 range that are...
yeah thats fair, as surprising as it seems lol. I'm pulling 90k+ in NO this week, 100k in AA, but that doesn't show in your io and if they know youre feral (they ask) you don't get invites unless youve 2-chested one key level above what you're applying for
jagged pier
u sure there are many cause theres only like 12k ppl total with that score
cinder storm
When I'm trying to pick a dps I'll usually go for whoever is 417-418, but for 19s-20s 415 is overgeared
jagged pier
which out of the amount of ppl that do m+ is 1%
cinder storm
u sure there are many cause theres only like 12k ppl total with that score
Really? I feel 2800 is easily attainable
Huh, guess my perception is off
grizzled hinge
The fact we hang out on discord is also <10% of players
jagged pier
eu cutoffs
mortal brook
Check your privilege, mr plays well and or has friends that plays well
jagged pier
us cutoffs
vital oak
Are you pugging that MrBubbles? Or do you have a set group?
jagged pier
also dont forget even more players dont step food in m+ at than players that actually do
slim dove
jagged pier
Are you pugging that MrBubbles? Or do you have a set group?
2.8k if your in that zone on skill is easy to get puggin tbh
im 2.7k pugging
got all portals
that was my goal
so i stopped
👍
vital oak
Have you tried pugging that on a non-meta dps class?
cinder storm
I like non meta classes
jagged pier
yes i dont switch from prot warrior
never had an issue finding keys
regardless of meta
vital oak
dps class not then?
cinder storm
I tend to favor them because usually they are better at their class than your regular fotm reroller
grizzled hinge
No Meta class, only Meta players (;
cloud umbra
I’d say 2800 isn’t easily attainable if you are full solo. On my alt resto Druid is a fking grind. The amount of groups where ppl just brute force 100% of the mechanics is astronomical
And I’m 3k on my warrior.. still have trouble getting invited to 16-17 the the 410 druid
vital oak
Maybe my score is too low but it feels like at 2500 half the people that I invite at the same gear/io score level bought their gear/rating because they can't actually move out of swirlies.
cloud umbra
You are absolutely correct. 2500 zone is absolutely terrible man. Like zero interrupts nothing
cinder storm
I know several people who have gotten to 3k solo, but they pug for like 5 hours, target the keys they need the most, they do agree that 23 solo is hard and 24 is better with comms
cloud umbra
I got there with 2 dps. Which isn’t close to solo. Almost can coordinate every kick between the 3 of us
cinder storm
That's a big help for certain, even having a dps duo to coordinate will make a huge diff
cloud umbra
They both quit :x and im trying to get my resto Druid up the ranks, and it’s miserable
Almost makes me want to quit myself
dusty mica
pugging as a healer is brutal lol
getting through the lower key tier is just the worst
it gets better, but not as much as you'd like
grizzled hinge
2400 solo here on my DH, and i can agree. End of dungeon kick count for me usually look like 35(me),12,8,3,0 . Take every piercing shard to the face besides the ones i stop.
cinder storm
I think part of the problem is leveling dungeons, they don't really teach you what to worry about
vital oak
It does seem to go instantly from "don't have to be concerned about it" to "one shot"
dusty mica
from a monkey's perspective, if I ignored it and we didnt wipe, I can keep ignoring it. That stops once they get 1-shot
cinder storm
Bosses should have more of the Shounen attacks name calling up or something, they don't really yell their mechanics for new players
dusty mica
As the hot topic continues to grow, most dungeon problems just become a healer problem in the end. Affixes, not enough interrupts, dispells, purges, low dps etc
cinder storm
Like chillstorm : here comes my freeze until you die attack chillstorm! Or something stupid like that, I don't recall what she says
vital oak
I think the bosses are mostly fine, it's the random trash mob casts that need to be kicked with no real notice.
cinder storm
Does she even says anything?
But people are also toxic as is in leveling dungeons, making things harder there will simply make it worse
lusty tiger
i wouldnt mind a more prominent sound effect for piercing shards casts
icy bindings
necrotic plague
cinder storm
Agreed
Make it so even if people don't understand what it does, the sound cue or visual cue make them understand that it is dangerous
grizzled hinge
Wow devs seem to make the game where addons and WAs of someone elses creation are required
If/when the game every becomes available to console players would just hate end game
cinder storm
Weird take, but I think running a dungeon without addons of any sort makes you a better player, though it drains brainpower faster than using addons
FF does a wonderful job at that, wish wow did the same
grizzled hinge
Its not impossible, but if i see someone building a house with a nail gun and i have a hammer, ill probably go buy a nail gun
slim dove
well ff is dogshit easy outside of the very very peak content
vital oak
IMO bliz does fine with swirly and soak animations, what they need is an easily noticed "kick needed" animation.
slim dove
"heres my ultimate giga attack stand in these colored platforms in the next 10 seconds or die"
spark gazelle
Anyone knows if spriests can purge on nokund bois?
cinder storm
well ff is dogshit easy outside of the very *very* peak content
True, but content difficulty aside, you basically learn from open world mobs what's a frontal and things like that, and it stays consistent
slim dove
the idea of needing telegraphed lines on the ground to know that a mob using an ability called "cleave" or "breath" is hilarious
cinder storm
Wow devs : hehe blue on blue
chilly brook
the idea of needing telegraphed lines on the ground to know that a mob using an ...
It wouldn’t hurt
In fairness
People already have DBM/specialized WA’s to yell at them when mobs are doing frontals
chilly brook
I think that means that the game isn’t doing a good enough job of actually communicating incoming mechanics
But that’s my personal opinion of course
I absolutely love FFXIV’s telegraphing
slim dove
chilly brook
But they also have a completely different philosophy
slim dove
i did savage raids for a month before quitting
art and design is beatiful
actual gameplay is dog
urban portal
i think wow is really good at differentiating between avoid and soak
chilly brook
Aka “we need to make sure that everyone knows what’s going on and they need to be able to have all the information they need without addons”
WoW has uhhh…well
urban portal
im sure people dont WANT to play with addons
theres no downsides to making it clearer in the base game
chilly brook
Relied on addons a little too heavily
chilly brook
actual gameplay is dog
It’s very different, if you don’t like it that’s cool but communicating to the player what’s going on is completely different than actual gameplay
cinder storm
Honestly, I'd rather not have to reload because of a taint I can't find or having to keep my addons updated, I really wish I could be a good tank because I know from memory what an add is going to do an when
But I can't play addonless the game kinda demands it
chilly brook
Here’s the simplest way to break it down
slim dove
i do agree that wows reliance on addons to blare a fucking siren every 3 seconds in every mob pack
is awful
chilly brook
WoW treats their current telegraphs as “in game universe” and FFXIV it’s more of a player UI/UX element
Which means WoWs by nature kinda sucks more
And that’s when they actually show up
Since they don’t for most mechanics outside of swirlies
cinder storm
When they stop making frontals/aoe the same color as the floor, that's going to be a good start
chilly brook
And swirlies are god awful
Like actually the worst
I get triggered every time I see them
Why?
slim dove
because we're overloaded with them rn.
chilly brook
Because the fucking piece of shit swirly is never properly defined. The mechanic is always somewhat bigger than the fucking visual tell in the game
chilly brook
But you never know exactly how much fucking larger it is or where is fucking safe and not safe
cinder storm
You can't really play new affix without addon
cinder storm
But you never know exactly how much fucking larger it is or where is fucking saf...
Death to all bunnies!
chilly brook
When they stop making frontals/aoe the same color as the floor, that's going to ...
I don’t know how they haven’t made it so you can just customize enemy ground effects yet
Literally every mmo lets you
“Here pick the color that stands out the easiest for you lol
daring marlin
Should make AoE obvious like XIV
cinder storm
Oh, you know what's fun? Darkness on top of the second boss CoS when she leaves the fire
chilly brook
Well again I actually know why they don’t
And it boils down to “in universe immersion”
slim dove
multi dollar company afterall
daring marlin
I can't wait for them to bring back shrine
Final boss was the best
perfect purple on purple action
distant crystal
bring back the original shrine final boss where other ppl got the buff too
where you made your healer stand 100yds away to get the buff on a dps kek
cinder storm
Ataldazar was a prime example of things done right, floor is gold, mechanics are either a pool of blood, green totems, or purple spiders
cinder storm
bring back the original shrine final boss where other ppl got the buff too
The original underrot first boss would like a word with you
daring marlin
bring back the original shrine final boss where other ppl got the buff too
man some of the healers now with that buff
distant crystal
The original underrot first boss would like a word with you
YES PLZ
make the healer run out and go dps
cinder storm
man some of the healers now with that buff
Resto shaman stonks rise up
distant crystal
i loved disc on that fight cause you could just like bubble yourself
and the bubble was 20x your max HP from the buff
sick sentinel
yes but no
why then do they have a shield, and for that matter, shamans
if we want to gripe about shield wearing RP stuff
chilly brook
I wish they'd ditch that melee healer bs for pallies
I actually think it’s cool
But I’m also not a healer
sick sentinel
"i require taunting" healer's cries over discord
daring marlin
I actually think it’s cool
I've always pictured a shockadin or casting with a libram as significantly cooler tbh
shame we'll never see something that cool 😦
Imagine if they added an rdps spec for pallies 
normal crane
does anyone elses action bar 3 and 4 dissapear in combat sometimes?
it sometimes hides the keybindings and cooldown status
chilly brook
I've always pictured a shockadin or casting with a libram as significantly coole...
In fairness this was never a thing until like wow happened
Everything before then was big hammer go brrrrr and I have a book too
final radish
spell block work for [Piercing Shards] ?
plush tendon
yea
final radish
nice
reef holly
Can anyone take a look at my gear and let me know if I should open my vault as prot tomorrow? https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/archimonde/goretaur
lusty tiger
has a hasteless ring
plush tendon
a crafted 1H and a crafted ring would be good upgrade
haste/crit of course
also, dont go straight haste gems
haste+crit gems
more stats= better
and get a prim+haste gem in there
reef holly
Cool- will have to keep spamming 16's then. I've run into a wall for RLP, ToJS, and CoS
reef holly
also, dont go straight haste gems
cheers
plush tendon
also, why no Lariat (not saying you need it cause that 408 is nice) but you still have a embellishment slot
reef holly
also, why no Lariat (not saying you need it cause that 408 is nice) but you stil...
good call- I need to recraft my low ilevel one
Spent my glowy orb thingy on my shield instead
plush tendon
you should have 6-7 now if you doing content I think
5 from the quest chain and 1- 2 dropped seems reasonable to me
reef holly
you should have 6-7 now if you doing content I think
6-7 what exactly?
plush tendon
the sparks of inspiration
reef holly
hmm- yeah I have 2 right now
daring bay
are you able to spellblock the jade serpent strike?
plush tendon
no, you can recraft any crafted item to a higher rank
do not use a spark on a second lariat
reef holly
ok copy that thanks
plush tendon
also, wait to craft the 1H till after reset; open box as fury for chance at DPS trinkets
but a 1H can still drop from box if you open as fury
though not sure what level key you at?
are you doing 20s?
plush tendon
ok, nevermind then
dusty mica
Sorry to bring this one back up but regarding taking spell block on certain dungeons.. AV is in the list- is that only if youre doing the skip route and tanking the fatty adds in the beginning/ after first boss?
plush tendon
though tbf, my 418 crafted wep has lasted me a looooong time
reef holly
Should I still open vault as fury though?
reef holly
And do I need to run the specific dungeon where the dps trinkets drop? during the week?
plush tendon
no
lusty tiger
Sorry to bring this one back up but regarding taking spell block on certain dung...
its is probably much less valuable to take spellblock for the frog route
stoic rover
Fury just gives a chance for 1h while still getting dps trinkets
plush tendon
Sorry to bring this one back up but regarding taking spell block on certain dung...
Spell Block is good in a lot of places there: tanking furys, last boss, i bet it works on Ice cutter and the LT breath
cinder storm
You can
cinder storm
But you can also look like a gigachad and tank it with spellblock
dusty mica
how does SB work, says it makes spells blockable. Does that just mean that each spell is gonna be partially blocks and therefor do a bit less dam?
stable valve
how does SB work, says it makes spells blockable. Does that just mean that each ...
It works like block
But for spells
dusty mica
😅
plush tendon
its great
cinder storm
Remember you also need to keep your regular block up for it to work
stable valve
Remember you also need to keep your regular block up for it to work
I mean it works without shield block up
plush tendon
and its like "wow, so good"
stable valve
Just not near as good
plush tendon
want to Guarantee blocked hits
stable valve
But you should have shield block up anyways, so that’s a moot point
plush tendon
cinder storm
The tooltip threw me out at first, I thought it was like a secondary block that also blocked spells, when I was getting chunked that's when I learned how to use it properly
dusty mica
makes sense, thanks all
plush tendon
IDK, another defensive for Dragon Strike if you need it
lusty tiger
Spell Block is good in a lot of places there: tanking furys, last boss, i bet it...
you should not be eating ice cutters
plush tendon
just saying it can be used there
needed? not really
its more of less big for furys, and usually I pull a lot of those
quasi pivot
Thoughts on Puzzelbox + spellblock as a way to help with Furys? I feel like the increased bloc % is an undervalued DR source there
slim dove
you can deflect every dragon strike with spell reflect.
stable valve
IDK, another defensive for Dragon Strike if you need it
You can spell reflect every DS
lusty tiger
you can deflect every dragon strike with spell reflect.
if you use it before the cast?
slim dove
yes.
lusty tiger
thats hard
urban portal
Thoughts on Puzzelbox + spellblock as a way to help with Furys? I feel like the ...
just put up shield block?
slim dove
watch HP and dont clip with crystal spawn
stable valve
if you use it before the cast?
Yeah
urban portal
crit block % is insane with spell block tho
stable valve
thats hard
It is not
lusty tiger
it isnt ez
slim dove
yeah it is.
stable valve
Just get a raid ability time line WA
slim dove
entire dungeon is afk after 2nd
quasi pivot
just put up shield block?
You get crit block too.
urban portal
like its ok
its not insane
but puzzle box has the problem of being puzzle box
aka 2 seconds of you getting booty blasted
cinder storm
The box...you opened it... I came
stable valve
Thoughts on Puzzelbox + spellblock as a way to help with Furys? I feel like the ...
Why do you need more than 100% block?
cinder storm
More so block crit rating
plush tendon
there are much better trinkets then Puzzlebox
plush tendon
yea, but the opportunity cost seems fairly high
quasi pivot
Mastery also gives AP does it not? So boosts IP
plush tendon
eh, IP is whatever
slim dove
you really, really shouldn't even be needing spell block
you personally have 2 AOE stops and 2 ST stops for shards.
urban portal
Mastery also gives AP does it not? So boosts IP
essentially everything gives more IP
except crit
haste gives you more rage so more IP casts
mastery more AP so bigger IP
and IP gets bigger with vers
modern brook
Crit parrys which means ip absorbs nothing so ip is effectively bigger
Crit best stat btw
dusty mica
when I upgrade my 392/405 crafted gear should i be swapping it from haste/vers to haste/crit?
dusty mica
cool cool
plush tendon
just make sure you have haste
but chads use crit
Also makes it easier to use that same gear for Arms
quasi pivot
Just checked it and it takes me from 48.5% crit block to 79% crit block. Going from 5/10 non-crit blocks to 2/10 non crit blocks is quite a jump in consistency for that 20s period.
Considering block stops 50% of damage against dungeon boss, does crit block 100% negate the hit?
urban portal
block does not stop 50% damage
it stops however much your shield allows
thats why ilevel matters
and then crit block is 2x that, up to 85%
so if your current shield is a cardboard (lets say 398) and it only blocks 20% damage
a crit block would be 40%
modern brook
I think even 398s cap on crit block with minimal investment
It's why mastery is worse than usual
We did all that math early in the expansion
quasi pivot
it stops however much your shield allows
I'm going by the tooltip that adapts based on current target..
modern brook
I mean the amount of damage u block is different in every form of content
urban portal
its different in normal, heroic, mythic raid, and m+
so if you are just targetting a world mob (or worse, a player)
modern brook
We're agreeing and I'm misreading nvm
urban portal
its going to give misleading values
lusty tiger
I mean the amount of damage u block is different in every form of content
is there a table?
quasi pivot
I was targeting the dungeoneer dummy
modern brook
is there a table?
It's based on the k value of the content
Which is literally a constant that's updated per content wave to keep tabks from being immune to damage
lusty tiger
Which is literally a constant that's updated per content wave to keep tabks from...
sunwell all over again
modern brook
Both armor and block value follow the same formula:
X/(x+k) where x is armor or block
I do not remember the current k values, I'm not a nerd
urban portal
I was targeting the dungeoneer dummy
thats really bad
modern brook
But when it was info I remember stuff as low as like 385 were capping crit block
quasi pivot
There's a base, dungeoneer, and raiders, dummy I would have assumed that they are based on the current tier standard dungeon boss and raid boss values.
lusty tiger
but dungeons have 4 levels
0-11, 11-16, 16-20, 20+??
plush tendon
whats all this nerd talk in a zug zug chat
urban portal
normal, heroic, mythic, and m+
plush tendon
lucid maple
0-11, 11-16, 16-20, 20+??
Norm heroic myth m+
urban portal
sure none of the other ones matter
lusty tiger
word
urban portal
but thats how its split
quasi pivot
Hmm does crit block double the shield armor value in regards to the blocked amount, or does it use the base block and then just double the resulting % blocked result.
quasi pivot
Looking at that page.. Im shocked at how garbage and unintuitive that system is, full of hidden values.
I thought Path of Exiles block/armor system was bad
urban portal
this really isnt that bad
much better than POE
this is essentially league's formula
except league has K value set to 100
leagues formula models 1 armor as 1% EHP increase
and this just elaborates on it
urban portal
for what
modern brook
It's why mastery is worse than usual
mastery sucks cause its bad crit, nothing to do with crit block value capping out
urban portal
oh yeah
modern brook
Level 70 M0/M+: 12824.94 (ExpectedStatModID: 216; ArmorConstMod: 1.09)
Vault of the Incarnates LFR: 13083.792 (ExpectedStatModID: 212; ArmorConstMod: 1.112)
Vault of the Incarnates Normal: 14025.072 (ExpectedStatModID: 213; ArmorConstMod: 1.192)
Vault of the Incarnates Heroic: 15084.012 (ExpectedStatModID: 214; ArmorConstMod: 1.282)
Vault of the Incarnates Mythic: 16284.144 (ExpectedStatModID: 215; ArmorConstMod: 1.384)```i thought there was something wrong with that statement
modern brook
napkin math puts 85% crit block in a key at like ~7000 shield - this is considering the bonus block from shield spec
urban portal
but i wasnt gonna argue
modern brook
I had the right idea
sick sentinel
lucid maple
Wait so shield block doesnt guarentee spells will be blocked? Need shield block up same time to do that?
urban portal
yes
quasi pivot
I'll play again in PoE2 but long lost the interest to play the same campaign for the 20th time.
sick sentinel
i might switch to highmountain for the bull rush
lusty tiger
I'll play again in PoE2 but long lost the interest to play the same campaign for...
SAMEEEE
sick sentinel
it doesn't share a DR with stuns i think, i think its classed something else, displacement maybe
lusty tiger
every league i wanna try like 3-5 builds
and i cant pull all nighters 1-day grinding a guy to desecrated chambers
quasi pivot
Is there a good resource with written tank guide summaries for which trash packs require CD's in high mythic keys?
lusty tiger
Is there a good resource with written tank guide summaries for which trash packs...
technically with a good rotation you can have SW for every pull
lusty tiger
Is there a good resource with written tank guide summaries for which trash packs...
and rly for trash, CC > CDs
violet river
Anyone got a working macro/script to check if the hidden prot shield artifact appearance is up, the one i have is returning false for both checks (if it's up or if it's not)
oak echo
Is there a good resource with written tank guide summaries for which trash packs...
you can find things on places like wowhead that will tell you what like certain notable trash mobs do, but the answer to when to use CDs doesn't have a clear cut answer and changes with your route and your comp. you should be using them liberally but always keeping in mind "how much longer is this pull going to last" and "what am i fighting next".
sick sentinel
❤️ path of exile
even in poe, hide behind rock still best survival strategy
lusty tiger
even in poe, hide behind rock still best survival strategy
shield charge was ok at best
i prefer fliker strike or weird feedback loop builds
sick sentinel
yeah, hes got like, ice crash and double strike and some other stuff, hes a janky character
this guy is on my xbox i played him on xbox for some reason
oak echo
Anyone got a working macro/script to check if the hidden prot shield artifact ap...
this is the one i always used when hunting it and is what the top wowhead comment says
/run print(IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(44311))
/run print(IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(44312))
you won't see it change until you actually go near the cave though
violet river
ah thank you, somewhere i read suggested you could run it anywhere
sick sentinel
im also doing multiple spectral shield throws, so something like a prot paladin mixed with a warrior
lusty tiger
im also doing multiple spectral shield throws, so something like a prot paladin ...
thats sounds kinda fun
oak echo
ah thank you, somewhere i read suggested you could run it anywhere
the import part is this bit:
- Go forward into the cave until the zone changes to "Neltharions Vault" (just to make sure, the next step can already trigger in front of the cave)
- If you see the chat emote "You hear a strange roar from the cavern ahead" carefully search all gold piles for your appreance (it can be on multiple locations, so search carefully) Emote: http://imgur.com/OCAwIBW My spawn: http://imgur.com/eNMjydY
- If you do not see that emote, try visiting the cave the next day...
when you run the macro, if the macro returns "false, true" you won't be able to get it. You will only be able to loot it with "true, false"
oak echo
oh...i wonder if they broke that then
violet river
ill just have to watch out for the emote
oak echo
oh they did change it in SL
it's now
/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(44311))
/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(44312))
violet river
tyvm!
sly hamlet
Is Dark Claw in TJS reflectable?
viral elk
Is Dark Claw in TJS reflectable?
It's negated completely by SR, don't remember if reflected though
checked sheet in pins, reflected
tacit haven
do you drop enduring defense for double wall?
viral elk
do you drop enduring defense for double wall?
depends on what you're running.
double wall is mostly for specific encounters
tacit haven
TLJ
modern brook
I would not drop enduring defense for basically anything
amber siren
i think you meant impen wall vs aegis
modern brook
Temple of the lake jerpent
tacit haven
TJS 😄 sorry
viral elk
TJS 😄 sorry
scratchin my head there for a moment...
I do in TJS, for that one bitch
sick sentinel
i go into wise mari fully expecting 1 person to die or at least almost die
viral elk
and other encounters in there, it's nice to have two close together.
craggy pilot
How should we look on healing received in raid? Is it same as in m+ where it's 80-90% received from self?
urban portal
probably less
because healers are fighting for their lives to snipe healing from you
craggy pilot
What if healers are bad? 😂
urban portal
i wonder how bad healers can be in raid
craggy pilot
If ur not getting topped i guess the selfhealing should go up
craggy pilot
We have shit raid grp
urban portal
m+ is hard
craggy pilot
A lot of unnecessary extra dmg
urban portal
raid is not
modern brook
Hardest part of raid is getting people to show up
craggy pilot
Our pwar is on 50% healing done to himself, and still dying
modern brook
Ez fix just unbind ip
craggy pilot
I think I'm on tank duty for Wednesday though 🥰
modern brook
And everytime he dies its healers fault
craggy pilot
And everytime he dies its healers fault
Big brain
That's basically what he does now tho
urban portal
Our pwar is on 50% healing done to himself, and still dying
how many IV casts
can you send logs
craggy pilot
Runs with his back to mobs
urban portal
seems funny
craggy pilot
I'll send later
Or idk why not now 🤠
I didn't rly look into them yet
It's live log btw
jagged pier
taking jaws at 40% un mitigated
slim dove
Jaws is tank hit yes
lusty tiger
modern brook
Electrified jaws would be a good sequel
jagged pier
i mean hes dying to heals not healing him
with tick damage
and hes dying also dying to not taking things with mitigation up
the tank debuff is constant tick damage
hes never really being healed when he has it so he takes the boss low and just dies
and some times full health and taunts boss without SB so it will one shot
also take jaws to the face without SR
or any other mitigation
so its mistakes on both sides tbh
🤷
dusty mica
we just got terros down for the first time this week and had a half night on Sennarth. All I can say is i freaking hate that boss
I don't care what difficulty lol
but the icy floor on top of it all in mythic is just... no
strong forum
In prevokers defense
They gotta move fuckloads just to heal people
Cuz ranged are just all over the place
The 25yd range is omega cringe
reef holly
it is impossible for me to time an rlp higher than 15
languid cove
Blood of the Khansguard any good?
viral elk
Why don't people like the cobalt arcane bubble ring?
amber siren
Can't control the proc, it'll usually absorb meaningless damage
Looks better in logs than it actually is
viral elk
What is meaningless damage on this sense? Like procs for melees while SB is up but will usually miss magic/other that SB won't help?
amber siren
Damage that otherwise isn't dangerous
mighty valley
damage that's usually just erased anyway by leech/indom etc
amber siren
All well and good it'll absorb 60k in melees while everything is under control, and then when you get hit by a tank buster the shield is no where to be found
viral elk
Cool. So same logic applies to Granyths trinket, etc.?
amber siren
Yeah most absorbs/heals that'll just proc randomly
stable valve
Cool. So same logic applies to Granyths trinket, etc.?
Yup
vivid abyss
Guys I am still learning on my alt warrior tank, pls roast me what I did badly here, i especially fucked up the pull with bats into worm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DXaqhJWkjV2LmyGZ/#fight=last
plush tendon
Guys I am still learning on my alt warrior tank, pls roast me what I did badly h...
simple thing.... but why vers heavy haste low gems?
and vers enchants
deep spruce
Out of interest, why do u want the range to stack?
The reason that everyone didnt stack, was because it was harder to heal
the most common tactic was for melee and healers to stack
ranged to stay out, and just clear with a partner, staggered from the rest
sick sentinel
just starte gearing a prot warrior has anyone got like an "easy week" zugzug full dps build they can send me over? and like a more defensive build (m+)?
talent tree seems to have a lot of options not sure what's optimal
mighty valley
Guys I am still learning on my alt warrior tank, pls roast me what I did badly h...
You can get this higher I believe in you
plush tendon
just starte gearing a prot warrior has anyone got like an "easy week" zugzug ful...
check pins and use Nom's build
sick sentinel
@deep spruce ly scottish bro
sick sentinel
check pins and use Nom's build
will take a look ty! hes got both dps and harder weeks?
plush tendon
same for both
tender cove
I doubt many of you noticed but if you did? A close family member passed away and it sorta killed my will to live. But i'm still here, haven't pepsi'd myself or been in an accident. Just been life and not much focus on wow.
plush tendon
there are some changes like taking Spell Block for Temple and RLP and Double SW for Tyran Temple for Jade phase if needed
but Nom's build works all the time
lusty tiger
I doubt many of you noticed but if you did? A close family member passed away an...
What’s painful now will be your strength in the future brother
Condolences
tender cove
thanks bro ❤️
mighty valley
Guys I am still learning on my alt warrior tank, pls roast me what I did badly h...
Otherwise your dps is just low despite seeming to have roughly the right priorities, your casts per minute are just a good bit lower than they should be and you overcap rage somewhat
the pack you're describing is more about CC and interrupts, people underestimate the bats
mighty valley
I doubt many of you noticed but if you did? A close family member passed away an...
Real sorry to hear that, stay strong my man, focus on what matters ❤️
sick sentinel
might be a stupid question but the ability rend ever actually get used? been as you apply it passively anyway?
tender cove
might be a stupid question but the ability rend ever actually get used? been as ...
I know this one!!! You dont need it on your bars xD
tender cove
@mighty valley @astral atlas Thanks broskis. Today is the first time I could even open discord. Its weird. I cant handle being around people because I dont want people to pity me but at the same time? I can't do drugs and sleep away the rest of my life either. So baby steps. I'm gonna go hide again cuz i feel my anxiety creeping up but hopefully i'll be back to wow and here in notime ❤️ 😄
vivid abyss
Otherwise your dps is just low despite seeming to have roughly the right priorit...
should I use ignore pain more or rather prio revenge over clap?
prisma crane
The 25yd range is omega cringe
not only that but one of their better aoe heals they have is a frontal cone, so standing in the middle doesnt even help
mighty valley
should I use ignore pain more or rather prio revenge over clap?
fill all your GCDs with shield slam > clap > revenge (this gets a little more nuanced at higher target counts) and just use IP to keep your rage from ever overcapping
if you just follow that, you'll generally be doing it right
vivid abyss
simple thing.... but why vers heavy haste low gems?
should that be the other way around?
plush tendon
should that be the other way around?
yea
but also, at least in here, we like haste/crit (vers is fine... but 100% dont enchant vers! get haste!)
vivid abyss
yeah i guess i should enchant haste on rings, but i think ppl wear low haste gems for proc from lariat
grave flower
Any dark iron player here have a solid up to date weakaura for the racial?
forest tulip
opinions on prot in arenas?
lusty tiger
opinions on prot in arenas?
No banner no enter
prisma crane
opinions on prot in arenas?
judging by recent ladders i've seen, we're doing worse than usual at this point in a season
that said i've heard that regular arena is stagnant AF atm and rating is harder maybe than it's ever been to build
oblique quarry
Where do you find blocked hit in the logs?
craggy pilot
@jagged pier thx for the writeup of the log btw, only just read it now 🙂
dusty mica
this what you want?
if so, need to select a specific mob and highlight the "Amount" column
oblique quarry
Thank you very much
dusty mica
nvm, dont need to select a specific mob, just hover while in "Damage Taken"
urban portal
this what you want?
dont look at hit damage
look at hits
hit damage is deflated
@oblique quarry CC you as well
you wanna look at this
i had a pally logs open but the idea is here
oblique quarry
Got it, thanks
dusty mica
ok cool thanks
And we should strive for 100% on all hits, yeah?
basically saying 100% uptime on SB
ok, i def need to work on that
back exposed, or something, yeah
kk
dusty mica
I feel like I'm probably not keeping very good uptime on my 4pc
Feels kinda hard to keep up but I prob just need to practice
taking out RP of this CoS its showing 56% uptime
fresh igloo
That's actually something I've noticed I'm fucking up, is accidentally giving my back occasionally when gathering mobs. Especially if I'm trying to stack a pull with another group.
Guess I need to be more careful to strafe better
urban portal
yeah but you can do it if you are playing cracked out of your mind
its just hard
but yeah
100% blocked hits is whats important
100% uptime dont matter if you get hit in the back
dusty mica
If you aren't in trouble at all should you just be using execute as a spender on bosses? Keeping up 4pc doesn't seem worth the +dmg
dusty mica
ok cool
urban portal
minor tho
dusty mica
another question.. should whirlwind be on my bar at all
dusty mica
whoops
i mean uh
heh
battering ram vs thunderlord?
i was going battering ram but our raid MT said to go thunderlord
just a case of both being good depending on what you're going for or?
fresh igloo
there's a good comment in the pins about that:
----------Imo the best Build for M+----------
Bigger ST dmg than other builds, 100% SB uptime, higher rage gen through Batterin Ram, CDs all line up with Booming Voice, doesn't rely on high haste to feel good.
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRRAVpFRRBBNVUVEVERFVYVVQDQBA
stiff gate
not taking BSV just seems like hubris unless you're doing like 18s or something, it's saved me so many times in high keys
especially if you play with pugs, who knows what kind of casts are gonna get through
stiff gate
battle scarred veteran, its a proc when you hit low health that gives you damage reduction and increased healing taken
warm plinth
It is bugged and you should never take it.
Well, bugged or WAI. Either way it's useless.
stiff gate
it is proccing at weird thresholds, but having an 8 second window where i don't need another defensive up is useful in virtually 100% of packs, especially this week
dusty mica
have any logs to see how often it procs? I'd be curious to look
warm plinth
It's a crutch at best, and you can't control when it happens. It's literally a shit talent.
stiff gate
its 3min
dusty mica
but i mean is it basically proccing every 3 minutes
is the threshold actually that high where its gonna proc every pull
so what does our burst window look like exactly? Avatar > Shield Charge > Demo Shout > Ravager > Thunderous Roar > Thunderclap > Revenge ?
I'm sure thats mangled af but
round pendant
It's a bait talent
prisma crane
the issue is that it procs based off of pre-mitigated dmg taken
which is a HUGE disparity of actual dmg taken in proper play
lilac jay
Does titanic throw ignore cc‘d targets?
oak echo
so what does our burst window look like exactly? Avatar > Shield Charge > Demo S...
something more like: throw rav at pack -> ava -> normal charge -> demo -> roar -> SC -> normal rotation
grave flower
Anyone have a good dark iron weak aura for their racial
dusty mica
ok cool thanks. And while in Avatar prio spamming thunderclap over all?
grave flower
No because VO. You want to SS on those proc unless you’re 8+ targets
stiff gate
went back and watched the first bit of a key i did yesterday, in the first 10 minutes of the key i got 2 bsv procs that saved my ass because both happened after the healer had died. its anecdotal but i just dont see how having basically a cheat death proc, even if it procs at weird times, is worse than some extra auto attack damage and shield charge damage
dusty mica
No because VO. You want to SS on those proc unless you’re 8+ targets
Oh so i should try to use SS on all VO procs. I'm really bad at tracking that... something to work on. Is the difference that big?
grave flower
Massive
oak echo
it's faster autos -> more rage and SS resets -> more everything else. over a cheat death that you will rarely get mileage out of
warm plinth
Does titanic throw ignore cc‘d targets?
No it doesn't
sick sentinel
looking at the recommended m+ build is barbaric training worth taking?
on left side tree
if i drop something
stiff gate
no
grave flower
Again. Unless you’re sitting in an 8+ pack. I think it’s 8 but it could be 10 where you’d want a VO thunderclap
lilac jay
No it doesn't
Thanks. Why would we ever use it then? As pre pull aggro before charging? For the like 1 pack max that is roaming and needs to get pulled?
grave flower
For exactly that but it’s not needed
dusty mica
I'm a noob but I've really enjoyed it, seems to come in handy a lot
oak echo
it's a flex point. you can use it if getting initial threat is something you're having issues with, or you can use that point on a few other very minor increases
dusty mica
you dont actually have to charge over to a pack to grab threat on everything, can jsut huck some axes
warm plinth
Even nome doesn't use it I don't think. He uses bounding stride. He's the one who made the build
Like botato said, it's a flex point
lilac jay
Ey thanks Boys. I find bounding also better. Or upgrade rally
mighty valley
had one bad experience where titanic throw clipped a whelp in azure vaults
dropped it since then
dusty mica
pulled the 2nd boss in CoS trying to pull the pat that walks in front of her, honeslty looked far enough that it was out of aggro range but still got an axe to the face
oak echo
it's a lesson to stop pulling that pack 😛
turbid shuttle
doubtful though
throw glaive won't bounce to CC'd targets
oak echo
^ pally AS as well. titanic throw just likes being dumb
fresh igloo
i used titanic throw briefly and dropped it when it did break a cc.
dusty mica
I kinda like pulling that pack because you have more room for that boss, but i dont do it every time
inevitably at my key levels something extra gets pulled and I'm always over count
turbid shuttle
I love titanic throw personally
decent snap threat on multi-pack pulls is convenient
I used to really like bounding stride, but I find I almost always leap OUT of packs after they die, and it's almost always up for the next pack, so I'm not getting much extra use other than the speed boost (which is nice tbf)
it's also comical how wide titanic throw will sometimes throw to
dusty mica
yeah i have it in my fury build and i do kinda miss it when I've played fury for a key
faint mica
we going crit/haste for all our crafts right?
oak heart
bounding stride is nice when walking back from wipes because the pug dpsers can't stun or interrupt shit
turbid shuttle
occasionally I have pulled extra stuff. once I pulled the patting 3-pack with 2nd boss in CoS because my pre-pull hammer at the boss cleaved to those mobs even though they were like 7-10 yards away
oak heart
we going crit/haste for all our crafts right?
i prefer haste/vers but as long as it isnt mastery I think its okay 🙂
plush tendon
we going crit/haste for all our crafts right?
dusty mica
the sub seems to say crit/haste primarily from what I've seen
dusty mica
boo? as in "scary good"?
plush tendon
as in.... its fine, but we will silently judge you
median tulip
You need some of every stat.
oak heart
dont use a missive and let the game decide
median tulip
I'm running with a ratio of 3:2:1:1 H:C:V:M, which seems to work well for me
turbid shuttle
secondary stat optimization isn't super important. with that said, verse gives more consistent defensive value, while crit gives better offensive value. which you think is more important will depend on your circumstances and individual judgement
median tulip
No amount of secondary stats will ever approach the defensive value of playing the class correctly and using your abilities appropriately for the circumstances
cinder storm
Have you guys noticed how the small elemental in that pack before first boss cos, can pull if it does a frontal right when the boss is walking by?
fallow nova
Crit is love, crit is life.
This may or may not be because the game decided to give me a ton of crit with my haste gear.
median tulip
I actually ended up gemming a bunch of Mastery/Haste gems because the RNG had really deprived me of Mastery
fallow nova
Also zetakua speaks the truth. There's really no situation where you're gonna say "man, if only I had 5% less crit/verse and 5% more crit/verse I would've made it out of that just fine"
I have a lot of mastery
Realistically, I probably should've gone with verse on my missives, but a lot of this stuff was acquired after most of my crafting
And I don't really feel like recrafting
cinder storm
Only places I wish I was vers stack is during any big bleed mechanics
turbid shuttle
not like we have problems with those or anything
mighty valley
i'm v low on mastery and it only makes me sad because i'm offspecing fury from time to time
I should just craft 2handers with mastery, that's a pretty big bump alone
... but where am I getting four sparks
oak heart
just farm m+ and rares all day, you'll get 4 sparks in about 3 months easy
fresh igloo
I'm also doing double duty prot/fury with my warrior gear, so mastery/haste is a common pick for me.
faint mica
I'm only playing M+ prot
so haste/ver?
this is the 1st discord where, it's a bit ambiguous haha
fresh igloo
from what people were saying above, yeah, you want to lean towards haste/vers or haste/crit, as long as you have a little of everything.
the goal isn't to optimize away all of one stat, is the point. just try to get a nice spread with some emphasis on haste if you can.
median tulip
so haste/ver?
For M+ I would 100% say Haste/Crit. Crit has a very solid defensive component in your parry rate
faint mica
alot of haste balanced crit/vers and a bit of mast so right?
cinder storm
Ilvl > shield > stats
median tulip
As I said earlier, my stats are in the ratio 3:2:1:1 H:C:V:M and that generally seems to play well for me.
Always, always, always take the highest Shield you can get your hands on
faint mica
guys I will and I got it x) I just wondering with wich stats I should craft my 5 first spark and wich stats to put on no worries 🙂
how to gem my lariat etc just basic stuff I can choose on Ik about ilvl prio etc 🙂
fresh igloo
oh that's a good call out, I've been slacking on my shield, it's only 415.
faint mica
I'll just pray openning my vaults as prot to get a shield haha
warm plinth
Lariat gems don't really matter. Just as long as it's haste/something or something/haste
proven crow
I have 2 haste/crit and a str/haste in my lariat
median tulip
how to gem my lariat etc just basic stuff I can choose on Ik about ilvl prio etc...
The key thing to understand about the Lariat is that the proc effect is based on the LOWER of the two secondary stats on your Gems. So you want to have Airs gems, because they all have Haste as the lower of the two
Also the Lariat completely ignores Primalist gems
warm plinth
It doesn't matter what stat lariat procs
oak echo
^
warm plinth
It amounts to the same average stats. I run haste>crit gems because I prefer having the static haste over a haste proc.
oak echo
the ~1% haste you get from the proc is the same as you'd get from having all high haste gems
cinder storm
I run haste crit on lariat bc those were the cheapest
median tulip
Which is fair enough. But if you do want a Haste proc, you need gems with Haste as the lesser stat
warm plinth
I'm starting to feel like I'm bugged man. Still no spark for me 😢
oak echo
right. the other thing i think still trips people up (or it's just their wording) - the lariat procs off all your gems besides main stat. it doesnt' matter what you put in the lariat itself
median tulip
right. the other thing i think still trips people up (or it's just their wording...
Yeah
fresh igloo
you've still got literally zero sparks after the quest line ended, and you've been playing actively in each weekly reset?
because that is ... extremely weird.
oak heart
ive had 2 sparks (different characters) from the soup legendary boss, nothing from anywhere else
so I've been camping that every day
warm plinth
/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(70900)) can run this to make sure you finished the last quest
warm plinth
you've still got literally zero sparks after the quest line ended, and you've be...
Correct
median tulip
The best luck I have had with getting sparks has been on M+ runs where bonus valor was involved. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a bonus chance for carrying people
oak echo
anecdotally you can find out somewhat easily if you somehow didn't do the last quest by seeing if a new alt can go get the 5 sparks instantly
fresh igloo
I've seen bottled essence drop from M+ chests, raid bosses, random dirt
oak heart
that's dedication man, you clear lfr?
oak heart
the legion legendaries were shit, didnt get the bis bracers until half way through antorus
oak echo
i'm a little bit surprised they haven't increased the drop chance by now, especially this late in the season. like give us the SL late season legendary treatment where we can salvage sparks from shit crafted gear and make them easier to get
you're still ultimately handicapped by the level of keys or raid you can do
which is all they really care about
warm plinth
I'm curious how they're going to handle crafted stuff next season, like if we're going to get upgraded crafting recipes or if it's just going to be capped at 418 forever
oak echo
i suspect they'll just keep giving us new types of focus or w/e they want to call them but yeah will be interesting to see
oak heart
probably a new primal+new kind of spark
fresh igloo
yeah just a new/upgraded primal focus thingy would make sense unless they want to invalidate all the crafters' recipes that you have to put all that knowledge points in to
median tulip
Might be a few new recipes as well
Maybe a few new branches of the crafting trees
What I am certain of is that there will be no point in saving up the primal infusions from this Tier to make gear next tier; it'll be all new (and probably converted to greys)
fresh igloo
if i had to speculate/wishlist I'd guess there's some new recipe drops from the new raid (like we have in this current raid tier) and a new level of infusion, yeah. more branches on the crafting tree seems a little over the top considering how slow the knowledge points are currently.
warm plinth
Yeah I can't imagine we'll see the actual trees expanded, unless they also offer significant knowledge catch-up
plush summit
i have a question about warri DPS is it a good idea to lineup Avatar with Ravager and Thunderous roar or should i spam avatar as often as possible?
mighty valley
almost always avatar on CD, it lasts a long time anyway
cinder storm
Send it on cd, Best if it lines
warm plinth
Avatar has like a 35 second CD and lasts 20 seconds. It will be up for most casts of other CDs anyway.
warm plinth
But can't reduce the CD if it's not on CD, that's why we send it
plush summit
and other question about trinkets. i have the court trinket this thing is OP but what trinket as second? horn of Valor for Versa? or the procc thing from nokud or the rubywelpling and on the welpling which training?
i have no access to raid trinkets 😦
warm plinth
Blazebinder's Hoof, Idol of Trampling Hooves are both decent
Whelp shell is pretty decent as well, you'd want to train it on ST
void marten
depending on your group, you may end up being on whispering incarnate duty anyway
fresh igloo
no raid trinkets
warm plinth
He said he doesn't have access to raid trinkets
void marten
ah didnt see the second line
fresh igloo
the one with a cast time so you can't block?
median tulip
and other question about trinkets. i have the court trinket this thing is OP but...
I would be very cautious about the Horn of Valor, because it lacks Primary Stat
warm plinth
Moreso, horn doesn't line up with anything we have
So you're getting big primary stat during...nothing
median tulip
The Big Toe is supposedly quite good, although I don't have one
urban portal
horn of valor is like the opposite of hunger of the pack
warm plinth
HotP honestly not a bad trinket either. Wish it was haste but nothing wrong with a crit stick
Though you don't really get the speed all that often since you have to get the killing blow
fresh igloo
The Big Toe is supposedly quite good, although I don't have one
it's alright, I used it for a bit before i picked up whetstone. now i just use whetstone/idol all the time.
urban portal
i dont think you need killing blow
wow is pretty good about honorable kills these days
i can check
median tulip
it's alright, I used it for a bit before i picked up whetstone. now i just use w...
I can pick any 2 from All-Totem, Rumbling Ruby, Whetstone, WII, DoF
urban portal
nvm you right
hunger of the pack needs killing blow
i saw a lot of war machine procs
but no hungers
warm plinth
Yeah, I have it on my rogue
urban portal
wait im not running hunger on this log
warm plinth
War Machine pretty sure procs as long as you're in combat with the mob. I've gotten war machine procs on shit I didn't even touch lol
median tulip
Big Toe also fails because of its CD
TBH, shit like that I just macro into Avatar and forget about it. Same as I do with my Racial.
warm plinth
Yeah but you're basically choosing between having uses where it doesn't have a significant impact and losing a lot of casts of it
Neither of which is good
plush summit
so summery 🙂 idol, hoof or ruby which one i got first on higher GS 🙂
median tulip
Like I say, I don't have it myself. If I'm being very lazy I just put on All-Totem and WII
plush summit
or PUG the raid in HC and hope for the trinket from there
warm plinth
yeah war machine is worded the same way
This is a 29 minute dungeon
so not as bad as I thought I suppose
But doesn't really matter anyway since it doesn't lose stats for the effect
tender cove
hahah. For those that know about the extreme elitist 1 day raiding guild i was in... They folded shortly after I left. I dont know the details but apparently 5-6 people left like 2 raids after I left.
I'm not saying it was because off me but reading now what was said in response to my latest critique, i'm not exactly chocked they had so many people leave at once xD
vernal vale
Good luck finding a new raid team as a tank. I'm struggling to find one.
tender cove
I know is bit petty of me but reading this, i can't help but just smile and laugh xD
"To add to all what i said: I can see you haven't achieved CE before, so clearly the guilds you have been in earlier has not had the same goals as us, and in general has not done that well.
The main point with this is that you are comparing our guild with higher goals and standards with casual HC raiding guilds. If they had goals to do anything higher i am not sure of, but we intend to do what we can do achive that. Taking our experience from Cutting Edge Guilds and implementing things into our guild that we figured was a positive from those guilds."
Yeh, those implementations and goals certainly helped you reach those goals. lel...
tender cove
Good luck finding a new raid team as a tank. I'm struggling to find one.
I'm not gonna play wow for a while. Earliest I would consider coming back is next tier.
warm plinth
Play D3 season 
vernal vale
I'm not gonna play wow for a while. Earliest I would consider coming back is nex...
Fair enough, im currently debating just waiting for next tier to find a team and just m+ or something
warm plinth
Next season is a ways off yet
sick sentinel
Play D3 season <a:hmmNod:940376932560822372>
Is d3 any good? I haven't played it in so long
tender cove
Fair enough, im currently debating just waiting for next tier to find a team and...
Yeh, if you wanna play rn in any serious guild, youre gonna have to play dps and pray you get a chance to prove yourself.
warm plinth
Is d3 any good? I haven't played it in so long
It's a nice casual game to play without any real pressure. Fun to run around rifts and do big numbers on a bunch of shit
vernal vale
Yeh, if you wanna play rn in any serious guild, youre gonna have to play dps and...
Yeah, and having 0 dps parses for the entire expansion does not help either.
sick sentinel
It's a nice casual game to play without any real pressure. Fun to run around ri...
Im just waiting for D4 man
Probably gonna take a long break from WoW when that releases
Hopefully its good
warm plinth
Yeah I wasn't going to get it because I couldn't afford it, but then a friend bought me the special edition 
tender cove
Yeah, and having 0 dps parses for the entire expansion does not help either.
Never really had issues getting a guild as dps even without them. People just dont wanna gamble on tanks, like at all.
warm plinth
Surprise christmas present
sick sentinel
Yeah I wasn't going to get it because I couldn't afford it, but then a friend bo...
Nice man
I haven't pre-ordered yet but i will soon
I need that beta
tender cove
I need that beta
there is open beta for 2 days.
tender cove
After warcraft reforged, i'm not preordering anything ever again.
sick sentinel
I get that tbf
vernal vale
Never really had issues getting a guild as dps even without them. People just do...
I'm not playing dps well at all when I tried it in a pug. I would be sat in any mythic guild. Did 45k on heroic eranog as fury which is about what I do as prot.
tender cove
I'm not playing dps well at all when I tried it in a pug. I would be sat in any ...
That's mostly just practice i recon. Hard to execute when you dont play it often.
rain light
will try to find a guild again for s2, but i have no hope
vernal vale
That's mostly just practice i recon. Hard to execute when you dont play it often...
probably but I would have to put in the time and at this point in the tier i just don't think its worth to hard swap specs since I don't enjoy dps and only do it when i have no choice.
tender cove
probably but I would have to put in the time and at this point in the tier i jus...
Do you have much choice rn? 😉
I dont really like to play melee if its dps but unless you're going for some crazy high ranked CE guild? You'll get away with using hekili and being in the top half of dpsers. Pretty mindless and its always an asset being able to play dps for most guilds too.
vernal vale
Do you have much choice rn? 😉
I dont really like to play melee if its dps but u...
Not, really but thats why I'm debating just doing M+ the rest of the tier and searching at the start of next tier.
mighty valley
there must be some part of dps you enjoy, you're the gladiator grandpa guy
daring marlin
badiator gross
sick sentinel
i remember when the meta for pugs on the first day a store mount came out was "you have to have the new store mount to get in the raid"
pugs did this crap back in like wrath and into cata lasted like, a day or 2 after mount come out
vernal vale
there must be some part of dps you enjoy, you're the gladiator grandpa guy
Fair enough, but I haven't enjoyed dps since gladiator went away. Its always just been a temporary stop when I wasn't tanking for one reason or another. Gladiator was all about that window to get as many buttons in as possible which i found super fun.
vernal vale
badiator gross
It wasn't bad just really hard.
vale escarp
Have you seen the pre order mount tho?
Tbh I dont like it, only 1 of the 3 faces is animated
daring marlin
It wasn't bad just really hard.
It was genuinely bad.
mighty valley
i don't find dps THAT different since i'm trying to maximize while tanking anyway - they just get more mechanics thrown at them and it's generally more competitive and complex to execute
vernal vale
i don't find dps THAT different since i'm trying to maximize while tanking anywa...
Maybe its the fact that I can do one pull and do amazing with no mechanics forcing me off boss then the next my pull is trash and my dps feels like it never really matters
tender cove
i don't find dps THAT different since i'm trying to maximize while tanking anywa...
I also find it much more relaxed because you can "hide" in the masses with all the other dps. It also rarely matters if you fuckup a mechanic here or there, it won't mean a wipe most of the time.
vernal vale
It was genuinely bad.
Hard because it needed the super high CPM. It wasn't bad most people just had that perception
modest grove
Warriors, do you stand in battle stance in heroic raid while tanking?
mighty valley
yes
daring marlin
Hard because it needed the super high CPM. It wasn't bad most people just had th...
It was bad because it did less damage in ST and AoE. I find it bizarre that you've posted this screenshot multiple times in reference to a genuinely terrible spec that went the way of the dodo for a reason.
viral elk
Warriors, do you stand in battle stance in heroic raid while tanking?
Yes. Swap to d stance for tank busters, heavy damage, etc
when I was learning heroic diurna, I was in d stance a lot
On egg dutie
sick sentinel
i might be back, there is a vault tomorrow
timber terrace
With a full ring in hfc glad warrior was probably not even doing half the damage of an arcane mage of a sub rogue it was 100% a meme spec
errant oriole
Since there's a lot of magic dmg, would it be better to run spell block instead of spikes?
mighty valley
it's good in some dungeons, know what you're picking it up for
errant oriole
Would it help with last add pack in temple for example?
warm plinth
Yes
mighty valley
Temple has a bunch of uses
atomic nest
Temple azure and shadowmoon are amazing for it if im not@mistaken
warm plinth
RLP as well
mighty valley
tyrannical RLP for sure
warm plinth
Not really needed for SBG though since you can actually just outrange the void slashes
warm plinth
It's just if you want to face tank them instead. It doesn't have a lot of use past those mobs though is the issue.
atomic nest
I have a 418 guardian Druid and face tanking shut is so fun on warrior lol
sick sentinel
Must have addons for tanks? Thanks 🙏🏽
oak echo
Everything is possible with weak auras
daring marlin
More hotfix buffs to prot pally is weird to me
atomic nest
lol that’s what I’m saying
daring marlin
mfs already slappin'
errant oriole
Pallies defenses are insane too I don't get why they buffing them
grave flower
They’re not buffing prot
warm plinth
They are buffing prot 🤔
rain light
Sheesh
errant oriole
Lol
rain light
Blood 3% buff though
warm plinth
But they're not buffing their defensives
Hammer of the Righteous isn't taken currently, so at best it might make it a competitive option for AoE damage
errant oriole
They changed some of their talents too though
errant oriole
Well true
stoic rover
what's the deal with veng
warm plinth
Like the spec?
fallow nova
I'd rather they bug other specs than nerf us.
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure they just don't have a class developer at this point 😂 They get ignored more than any other tank spec. And then they get nerfed passively because of a havoc spell.
warm plinth
VDH is almost always bottom of the heap because they just never get changes.
stoic rover
warm plinth
Like the last time they were strong was S1 of shadowlands and that was only because they had a lot of frontloaded threat and S1 was a kite season
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKW2IxrOuh4 you next week on bird boss AA 20 and up keys, it's tyranical grevious
warm plinth
No, in context it made sense lol. He said they weren't buffing prot paladin
median tulip
Warriors, do you stand in battle stance in heroic raid while tanking?
Only D Stance for tankbusters
oh I was scrolled up, mb
median tulip
Like the last time they were strong was S1 of shadowlands and that was only beca...
I hope we never, ever, ever have another season like SLS1; The Kite Meta blew goats
sick sentinel
yyeah, i don't have another game i want to main or learn how to main
so, back to wow, might get something on alliance to 70
vale escarp
There is an easy reason why they buff Prot Pally, because you fall asleep while only pressing 3 Buttons.
jade trench
How long does it take to fix bears, i mean come on
atomic nest
Lol wish I could say they tried but the last patch they gave them was a joke
vale escarp
Prot Warrior also was bad the whole Season1 in SL
Maybe it will also take one Season
sick sentinel
could have been worse, but it wasn't fun
atomic nest
They seem like they are fixing a lot this expansion.. just weird how bad they are and how ignored it seems
jade trench
So was DK, they were terrible S1 of SL before becoming gods.
it comes and goes
But its not hard to make something playable
vale escarp
It took them more than 3 month fixing a Bow
atomic nest
It took them a whole expansion to make Druid tooth and claw even work on magic hah
sick sentinel
only vault i get, i did tjs on tuesday, timed that im pretty sure
rest of week was pure hell
atomic nest
Aww buddy why what ilevel are you?
sick sentinel
it is what it is lol, i gotta valor farm
sick sentinel
ilvl 405, 2100 io, goes up to 411 with valor
atomic nest
Damn you should be crushing those keys hit it tonight man! Still got time to@at least get two good boxes
modest gulch
We're in the decline phase of the expansion cycle I think.
I got 4/8m last week, 5/8m this week likely if and only if people keep logging on.
stoic rover
raidbots wants me to use two active trinkets 😦 https://i.imgur.com/a1f0AvT.png what are you guys liking for trinkets in m+?
modest gulch
Still in wtf ever I can get mode. Option 2 in raid, option 3 in mythic unless you coordinate with a group and they request icon
Icon is dog shit if only you have it.
fallow nova
I run hoof and whetstone, which raidbots tells me is correct but likely because I can upgrade them far enough beyond the passive raid trinkets I've got.
(Almost entirely m+ for reference, you may want to run a different setup if you're using it for raid)
slim dove
They are buffing prot 🤔
lulll
modest gulch
Raidbots only spits put parsebait tho
It's fake and not real, icon is 100% dependent on other people running it... for example.
stoic rover
(Almost entirely m+ for reference, you may want to run a different setup if you'...
what do you like for raid?
fresh igloo
whetstone and idol are my current prot trinkets of choice
fallow nova
I don't typically have time to raid and when I do, I'm usually dps
I don't count LFR because I could run zero trinkets and be fine in there
west snow
Guild is wanting me to tank M Diurna tomorrow....Figured I was on adds and the VDH would be boss, but nah. Any pointers on build/CD rotation?
fallow nova
Swap to arms but stay in defensive stance and blame the healers
modest gulch
Only important thing about diurna is making sure you split cooldowns and use them deliberately. I have pulls but no clear yet
Like, for example, don't macro last stand with a health potion.
modest gulch
Guild is wanting me to tank M Diurna tomorrow....Figured I was on adds and the V...
Diurna is like 3rd boss TJS. You have to blow cooldowns deliberately and ask for externals. Do not allow your healers to assume when you need an external.
warm plinth
Icon isn't dogshit if only you have it. Having better options doesn't make the worse options dogshit. It just gains a lot of strength if multiple other people have it. Even then, it's not BiS for your damage personally (as you can see by simming with the other procs), but it is better for your group/raid overall.
sick sentinel
yeah my plan is to run a bunch of valors till i get enough to bring my weapon to 411
modest gulch
Given the options presented its the worst choice unless others are using it.
sick sentinel
i have a crafted weapon, but the one in my bags better stats, will replace crafted till i do at least 10 16s, so, thats a ways away
warm plinth
Right, it's the worst choice, which doesn't make it dogshit. If icon is dogshit then what's burgeoning seed?
median tulip
I only use my WII if I've got at least one other role using it
warm plinth
I stlil want them to update that emoji with seed
sick sentinel
lingering spore pods
median tulip
(I love that we still have 
as an emoji)
warm plinth
They updated it to bladedancer last expansion
modest gulch
You're being overly triggered about the phrase "dogshit" when it was entirely relative the whole time.
I'm fine with using a different term.
warm plinth
I'm not triggered at all. I just don't like people saying that a trinket is dogshit in a class discord because it gives people false assumptions.
sick sentinel
i think we should have that icon for the last 3 expansions
and for spore pods
spore pods generated immense amount of memes in bfa
modest gulch
I don't mean "lol u mad" by saying triggered.
warm plinth
Dogshit isn't a relative term. It's a statement. People don't read dogshit and assume it's just worse than other options. They read dogshit and think exactly that, that the trinket is dogshit.
median tulip
The Burgeoning Seed is the worst trinket this season
sick sentinel
well, okay
warm plinth
The og literal garbage was haft back in Legion
And then we had that uh
some module thing
I forget
sick sentinel
i am going to offer zetakya a coca-cola, kantharos a pepsi, and stop using BT an RC cola
lets see who gets mad, because it isn't fair
warm plinth
I can't taste the difference
median tulip
some module thing
Modular Platinum Plating, from Mechagon
warm plinth
Generally I choose diet coke because it's crisper texture-wise to me?
That's the one
median tulip
That thing was genuine, grade-A dogshit
modest gulch
If I'm gonna drink "diet" anything I'll just make tea or black coffee. If I want a soda I'm going to opt for the 100% authentic coke or pepsi
modest gulch
I only drink soda (coke, pepsi) is with Rum, otherwise I just drink tea lol.
median tulip
i am going to offer zetakya a coca-cola, kantharos a pepsi, and stop using BT ...
I don't like any fizzy drinks
modest gulch
Yea its nasty by itself
median tulip
Well, unless gin and tonic counts
mighty valley
god i want a gin and tonic
thick finch
what are our thoughts on this trinket next season from halls?
median tulip
3m CD is a bit eh
thick finch
right