protection

[trim bay]

u should try to solo reflect the imps

almost 1 shots them

that plus shock wave and they are normally dead

along with a retarded dh or something that cant read

[mighty valley]

yeah everyone's gotta know not to engage til they're casting though

or else you reflect 2 and everyone else dies

[crystal mauve]

They target anything else than the tank within 30 yard range even without combat. Basically the group should stay 40 yards away

[mighty valley]

yep

tough to math out if it's actually worth the delay total damage wise

[slim dove]

on high fort keys it is imo

reflect scales with dem mods

[trim bay]

yea

i generally leap away and charge in

or get them to hold on the other side of the bridge

but pugs will pug

[lavish oracle]

This is my issue with it, usually when someone asks for the frog route it's random pugs who can't kick or stop to save their lives

So I can't combine the packs I want to and it ends up being a bunch of higher coordination pulls for basically no time gain

when I could just cruise through the frogs instead

[round pendant]

Bois how do I pad eranog mythic

Save CDs for adds?

or just TR?

[subtle finch]

should i be using battle or defensive stance?

I'm new to warrior

[trim bay]

[mighty valley]

the pins don't really answer the stance question

default to battle stance, use dstance as a defensive cd

[subtle finch]

yeah I went to look back because I thought that I missed something lol

[subtle finch]

but thanks

[mighty valley]

yeah you just start to learn which tankbusters and packs make you need to go dstance for a bit

[subtle finch]

yeah I hope so

thanks

[trim bay]

😦 only chance i would of got to use it

[subtle finch]

lol

I can ask a dumb question so you can use it

if you want

[trim bay]

i have them covered haha

[subtle finch]

lol

[coarse seal]

Should I gem into mastery/crit i have over 30% base haste as prot?

[crystal mauve]

Get more haste, you can’t have too much

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/customers-no-longer-required-to-provide-all-reagents-for-public-work-orders-in-331561

i don't really understand what this means doesn't seem to change anything major

[mighty valley]

you had to supply everything for a public order, after the patch you won't have to

pretty simple

[sick sentinel]

alliance really is BIS for mythic +

[oak heart]

Can see loads of orders coming in with using my mats and tipping 20g

[sick sentinel]

dwarf, human ne racials all op

[weary saddle]

so in Azure Vault this week, are u guys clearing whelp country or frog country for count?

[deft hinge]

frog area is like wiping ur butt with a fork. cheese the rings and dont go frog

[sick sentinel]

just bars and gems and leather no primal infusion,. and im not sure what else is exluded

[quiet monolith]

any tips for my healer on the lightning dragon on RLP

we are just team wiping

non stop

i feel like something is missing

[sick sentinel]

you still have to accept, craft, and complete the order

so if you do that, its on you @oak heart

[turbid shuttle]

dispel 1, top the group before 2nd expires. that's it.

[quiet monolith]

yea ok thats what he is doing... but we getting melted

[uneven ice]

at how many stacks you swap terros on heroic?

[turbid shuttle]

are you doing 25 fort or something?

or do you have 380 ilvl?

it hits hard but not that hard and there's 0 other group damage going out

[round pendant]

sadge I only parsed 88 on M eranog

I'm so bad

slow af group tho, 4min kill lmao

[broken wraith]

Quick question. Just got my Lariat. What gems should I be putting into it for the trigger?

[median tulip]

The Lariat proc is based on the lower stat in any non-primalist gem you wear

[hazy bronze]

Air gems are the haste proc

[broken wraith]

Good to know, so I should be shooting for any gem with haste as the secondary to guarantee the haste proc right?

Also, does it matter if we put a primalist gem into one of the slots?

[median tulip]

Yes if you want Haste you want Haste as the lower stat on the gem.

AFAIK the Lariat completely ignores Primalist gems

[broken wraith]

Okay, that's good.

Thank you Zetakya 🙂

Thanks hivemind, back to my buzzing.

[distant crystal]

ppl usually put the primalist on the lariat

cause that's never getting replaced

[round pendant]

"you can pug mythic easily"

yeah wiped twice on council and someone just leaves

bricks the group

[distant crystal]

shit happens sometimes, first two is still p easy to pug tho

[round pendant]

yeah assuming no one leaves and ruins their own vault

[trim bay]

hey guys. so when going disrupting shout i drop show of force correct?

[weak goblet]

Are all the spells that Spell Reflect can be used on, Spell Block works on too? Seems a bit inconsistent

[sterile bough]

yes

[sterile bough]

either battering ram or punish

[sick sentinel]

i thought punishj is something you dont want to drop

[sterile bough]

why

[urban portal]

punish is mainly for ST

can def drop show of force tho

out of the 3 listed only show of force doesnt provide survival

[sterile bough]

u dont need the punish survival on forit

there are no mobs that you need it on

[urban portal]

yeah im saying those are all valid options

i wouldnt drop battering ram tho

[sterile bough]

battering ram is 1-1,5k st dps

[trim bay]

roger. thanks for the info. appreciate it

[grizzled zephyr]

are warrior tanks still super op ?

as i feel super squishy when playing them this week

it might be the groups iv had but i just feel super meh

[sterile bough]

ye warriors are pretty much still immortal

[grizzled zephyr]

well i must be doing something very wrong 🥲

[sterile bough]

what key levels?

[grizzled zephyr]

16-17 iv tried

done sbg fine

[sterile bough]

oh well

[grizzled zephyr]

but things just hit me like a track

truck

[sterile bough]

u can time these keys without using single defensive

[grizzled zephyr]

ermmm

[sterile bough]

just IP managment

[grizzled zephyr]

I dont seem like i can

i litrally spend everything in that

[sterile bough]

you class is capable of

[turbid shuttle]

what is your ilvl?

[round pendant]

my god

the most cancerous primal council kill

everyone was dead

[grizzled zephyr]

402 ilv

[round pendant]

me and tank and 1 dps clutched it out

[grizzled zephyr]

i find it easier to tank hc raids

with low ilv on the war

then i do tanking mythic plus

[round pendant]

hc raids are easier to tank than m+

[sterile bough]

well the thing is you just need to learn what mobs do

and u dont take any damage from melees

as prot warrior

so you can focus on mechanics

[grizzled zephyr]

i mean on my paladin, monk dh dk

[sterile bough]

just make sure u block melees

[grizzled zephyr]

i feel immortal

but warrior

is like im just tanking hits so hard

[sterile bough]

if you could send a cliup of how u are tanking a pack or sth I could help you more

[grizzled zephyr]

not sure if my page is set up either

my M+ page

[echo egret]

Is there a way to trask separately in a weakaura the Spell dmg reduction and the Spell reflection buffs ?

[turbid shuttle]

take out barbaric training

[sterile bough]

here we go barbaric training legit reduces ur survi by like 20%

or even more

[grizzled zephyr]

okay

[sterile bough]

the spell is so garbage

[grizzled zephyr]

what should i switch it to ?

[urban portal]

literally anything

[sterile bough]

one of these

[urban portal]

sidearm is fine

bounding stride

is also ok

[grizzled zephyr]

overwheling rage no ?

[urban portal]

thats also fine

[grizzled zephyr]

everythng else okay

[sick sentinel]

swap that for side arm and you are good to go

its a bad talent and seismic reverb connects you to shockwave

[grizzled zephyr]

sweet I will see how that goes thank you ❤️

[rain light]

wouldnt catch me dead without bounding stride

[fallow nova]

Id consider dropping thunderlord for battering ram

[coarse seal]

I have a bottled ess, all gear outside of trinkets is 415 but my trinkets are 402 dec of flame, grans scale or like pure ST trinkets. Would any crafted trinkets be good?

[rain light]

drop thunderlord

[fallow nova]

And yeah, bounding stride is bae

[sick sentinel]

you may also freely swap thunderlords for battering ram, or vice versa, and the same also goes for 2 other "chose 1 nodes" on the same node, tough as nails vs spell block and into fray vs heavy reprecussions

[fallow nova]

I like heavy repercussions (especially if you're learning pwar) because it's super helpful for maintaining full block uptime

But spell block vs nails is one that gets swapped a lot

[median tulip]

All of the crafted trinkets are okish, but nothing special. But all of the defensive trinkets this season are trash, so just wear DPS ones tbh

[grizzled zephyr]

updated version

[fallow nova]

Lookin good

[rain light]

never forget my max ilvl titanforged with a socket razor coral in bfa

[fallow nova]

Remember to always dump excess rage with IP instead of overcapping

[coarse seal]

I am still farming CoS for WT but it just never drops

[fallow nova]

I sunk over 50 runs into CoS before I got my whetstone

[median tulip]

I'd drop intimidating shout for Bounding Stride myself

[north panther]

how come Impenetrable wall over defenders aegis?

[fallow nova]

Intimidating is a really nice aoe interrupt imo. I dropped sidearm for it

[coarse seal]

rage spent

[fallow nova]

Make more rage, spend more rage

[median tulip]

I got the trinket first run. Haven't seen the ring in over 60 tho

[fallow nova]

Mythic+ loot is a myth. The game just bugs out occasionally and gives a vault item to one person per hour per server.

[rain light]

oh yeah i still need to get the ring

[median tulip]

Same as I've never seen Strike Twice drop

[rain light]

oof

i have like 10 of them lol

[fallow nova]

I've got one

[north panther]

okay so is Haste verse our best 2 stats or did wowhead lie to me?

[fallow nova]

Haste for sure is

Verse or crit is debatable

[median tulip]

Haste > Crit

[fallow nova]

I have like 9% verse and I don't mind it

[rain light]

oof

[median tulip]

You do need some Versa (& some Mastery)

Don't make the mistake of having none at all

[fallow nova]

I've got a ton of mastery/haste/crit but wound up with wierdly low amounts of vers

[urban portal]

2 charges of wall gives you less casts of wall over the key than CDR on wall

[timid swan]

I got both Raid trinkets in the same raid yesterday lmao

[fallow nova]

Nice!

[median tulip]

One of the traps in DF is that the crafted gear makes it very easy to over-specialise your stats

[north panther]

should i swap my crafted gear missives and gems to haste crit?

[timid swan]

Haste Vers

[median tulip]

The Eranog ring is about half of my total Versa, iirc

[north panther]

i have 3100 verse

[viral elk]

What percent do you run with?

[north panther]

im 415 and my single target dps sits between 20-30k, and i feel like thats too low

[median tulip]

If you are using Lariat, you want your gems to have Haste as the lower of the two stats on the gems; Lariat's proc is based on the element of the gem, which is linked to the lesser stat

[median tulip]

10%/5%

[north panther]

my crit is only 1500 should i increase it?

[median tulip]

My stats are something like 4.5k Haste, 3k Crit, 2k Vers, 1.5k Mastery

[median tulip]

What you have to remember is that any stat array isn't going to magically make you a better tank. Only correctly playing the class and using your abilities will do that.

[north panther]

is the ability prio shield slam > thundrclap > revenge?

and then avatar and shout off cd?

[quartz pond]

so I was today years old when I found out that revenge doesnt work on the 3rd boss of SBG

[rain light]

macro avatar to other spells

[north panther]

which spells?

[quartz pond]

avatar + ravager is a good one

[rain light]

i have mine on demo

[mighty valley]

don't actually do that

can people just press their buttons

[rain light]

what

[deft hinge]

avatar and demo is good macro

[quartz pond]

its an extra button though

[fallow nova]

Wait, what?

[north panther]

hpw do i make a macro cast both?

[quartz pond]

unless ur stood rly close to the worm

[rain light]

ignore last line

[north panther]

i can put my grief torch where whetstone is right?

[mighty valley]

you want to press avatar immediately and you don't want to press demo until everything is grouped

there are times you want avatar alone to break a root etc

[rain light]

do not do that

[north panther]

ill stil have the avatar button my guy

okie dokie

[sick sentinel]

whenever i watched the trailer for black ops cold war, i saw many scenes that look just like the single player is why i am confused about it

it shows walking into the pentagon/fbi, in the car, the schizo part where he's imagining doing the assassination, and i extremely clearly remember that from when i played original

[slim dove]

raging fortified invoker missiles do infact hurt

on a 23 AA

[mighty valley]

i love learning 🙂

[slim dove]

pretty sick 3 ticks killed me through wall while my 2950 dh had kick and aoe stun available

[pallid quiver]

Stops are for cowards

just live the damage, bro, you're a tank, you tank

obvs

[slim dove]

shoulda rolled prot pal my b

[round pendant]

I just want a good raz parse

so I invite full 8/8 people

literally 8 sparks left

[oblique quarry]

is 408 all totem> 415 hoof?

[scenic mural]

defensively id say yes

and aoe dmg yes, hoof splits dmg so its better ST

[oblique quarry]

curious, would you say any 415 combo from m+ are > 408 boon and totem?

wish i could sim these >.<

[covert aurora]

looked at crafted bracers, are the "allied" ones that have cirt haste than +37 ver per ally up to 4 stacks good, or just stick with the pick your own 2 stats bracers ?

[warm plinth]

They're good but they are an embellishment so take that under consideration

[covert aurora]

oh, ya im maxed with neck and belt already, thanks great point

[sterile bough]

im playing on my rogue alt and found a tank, prot warrior 2,8k score with these talents

I dont know if to laugh or cry

[warm plinth]

Is that man running rend without blood and thunder lol

[rain light]

chad

[warm plinth]

What a shit build

[toxic pewter]

Seems like he left his raid build on

[urban portal]

2.8k is still better tahn a lot of people here

tbh

[sterile bough]

that aint nowhere close to raid build

[toxic pewter]

That his primal council build

[urban portal]

yeah rending on st on primal council

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's a garbage build all around

[toxic pewter]

He just forgot blood n thunder. Happens to the best of us

What his username

Yeh

I like his creativity and uniqueness

I gonna run that build

[mighty valley]

apb the champ

[toxic pewter]

I also am going crit mastery build I will keep u guys posted

[urban portal]

go venthyr too

[toxic pewter]

Yes I did ln pre patch

Actually good idea… prot execute build. I wonder if I can make something work

I will keep you posted

[sick sentinel]

i want to add one of the dungeons i think that is in s2, the first boss starts at it's either, 30% 25% or so

so, that entire fight is just begging for execute spec (all clases that can execute)

[toxic pewter]

Yah halls of origination

Gonna own that guy in my execute build

[sick sentinel]

that has good MDI plays potential

+22 him dies in 22 seconds

[toxic pewter]

Ya lmao

[rain light]

s2 df dungeons suck

[quartz pond]

cant wait for brackenhide, uldaman RP, 50 minute neltharus timer?? and frog boss xD

[sick sentinel]

im just debating if i want to play wow again

[rain light]

dont do it

[quartz pond]

dont

[sick sentinel]

curious why you 3 say that

[rain light]

game sucks

[sick sentinel]

people are quitting and not playing as much?

[rain light]

ashes of creation waiting gang

[slim dove]

[sick sentinel]

i like what you call boomer shooters

[slim dove]

i just play vidya with friends

[sick sentinel]

single player games with guns, its very easy to hide and fake and make up numbers and effects in shooters

[slim dove]

game can be shit, still have fun

[rain light]

how

[oak heart]

Is there a place to get some decent mdt routes for m+? Been making my own but after doing some on my warlock, the other tanks have different routes sometimes

[toxic pewter]

I’m looking forward to season 2

Gonna be a lot of fun

[sick sentinel]

the thing im mainly upset about wow is there was alot of flops with introducing the new profession systems

i don't think profession thingy is bad, i just think its kinda, 1/2 baked

[slim dove]

profs this time around are quite literally the best its ever been

idk what your talkin about

some hiccups but w/e

[sick sentinel]

i've never done public or private orders, and i feel like there is a billion points to spend for profession spec points

[manic elbow]

question about kurog. does spell reflect reduce the initial hit on sundering strike? tank notes says it's physical dmg but dungeon journal says it's elemental dmg

[sick sentinel]

i've attempted to search out public orders a few times, never once saw a single one

[modest gulch]

counter question, is there another large source of magic damage you need to mitigate at any point in time during that fight?

for me, I hit spell reflect.

[sick sentinel]

i've only interacted with making an order my self, by logging on my alt, after i figured out i can get free points out of it

[manic elbow]

I don't need it for anything else, was just wondering if it was actually magic or not, and if reflect was actually helping

[slim dove]

uhh it should be classified as magic dmg

there was some issue with a BDK talent that reduces magic dmg that wasn't working on kurogs sundering strike for a bit during raid launch

it got fixed ofc

[manic elbow]

ok, just checking. thank you!

[hidden ether]

any good videos guides for a high RLP? ideally with focus on the fortified part?

[grizzled hinge]

Who are top pwarrior streamers to watch right now

[deep spruce]

Nerftank

Andybrew

Lepan

[sterile bough]

he said prot

pink warrior gaming

[deep spruce]

Who? Andy?

[sterile bough]

ye

[deep spruce]

Has bigger score on his warr than his pala

[sterile bough]

he ditched us

for meta spec

sadge

[rain light]

dont see why theyre meta now anyways

[sterile bough]

so you can play 2 healers

[toxic pewter]

I am the meta

[sterile bough]

casue 1 is not enough

also it fits better in caster type comp

[dense ledge]

hoof was good right? thinking about upgrading it, curerntly playing whetstone + ruby/spiteful storm

[spark cedar]

Any specific resources you can recommend to familiarise myself with a dungeon other dan the route, like walkthrough vids from someone? I am sure I am not tanking stuff optimally 🥲.

[sterile bough]

yep just play

check maby some routes on streams

and then try to do route urself

[dense ledge]

mdt, look at the pulls and right click mobs to see what they do, check the sheet here in pins to see what you can spell reflect and make notes in your route how to play it for example note next to the pull: spell block sha frontal (tjs) or in halls a note could be: backpaddle frontals and kite in circal to not kill friends

[slim dove]

dont do mdt pulls in pugs.

[dense ledge]

it's an addon sir

[slim dove]

oh

my b

[rain light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzH_urSkHWY&list=PLYVPyI4uGDoAM_ETvZED0k5EbepIeD3-W

playlist

all dungeons

[spark cedar]

Thanks for the responses everyone

[dense ledge]

another really good youtube channel is Tactyks, his stream is also small so he answers questions lots

[dusty mica]

what AA buff do i take?

[warm plinth]

Haste

[reef holly]

AV +18: What’s everyone doing with the frontal (azure bash?)from the shield dudes on the second ring? I’ve been face tanking them but they hit quite hard on 18. Just realized you can sidestep one, but when tanking two at a time, and they’re not synced, i have to sidestep the second guy as well. Seems dangerous, almost got knocked from platform

[slim dove]

you just constantly sidestep.

[strong forum]

You permanently kite them at the edge and bait the bashes outwards

So nobody else gets sniped

In high keys they take as many as 6 in 1 pull of those guys

[reef holly]

Ahh got it thanks- will try that

[verbal goblet]

Hey does strike twice apply devastator damage or just applies the auto attack damage

[distant crystal]

it just does physical dmg not an attack

[verbal goblet]

aww so it doesn't give extra shield slam cdr

well reset

[distant crystal]

ye

[harsh light]

Thundering legit killed my 23halls, the opposite charge had chase, my leap was on cd and the evoker and i both tried to catch up to the feral running for his life

[open forum]

is there a way to get warcraft logs to show spell reflect damage done?

[distant crystal]

I think you can see it on like dmg taken for the boss/mobs

[open forum]

Weird. I know details can catch it

[distant crystal]

details used to not catch it

then there was a weakaura to make details catch it

then they baked that functionality into details by default

i remember people saying that the weakaura was going to get warrior/spell reflect nerfed

when it came out in BFA lol

but that was also a time when you could chunk a boss for like 10% of its HP with one reflect

[open forum]

I'm just curious as to how much it was doing to imps in a 19 CoS. I know it was chunking them for ~40% of their HP

[distant crystal]

if you link the log i can prob find it

[open forum]

I dont even see imps doing it to them selves or anything

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K7f1FCpPymqQwV9d/

[distant crystal]

yep

i was just double checking there wasn't a fire mage in the grp

[warm plinth]

That's Fireball :p

[distant crystal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K7f1FCpPymqQwV9d/#fight=4&type=damage-taken&hostility=1&source=196

damn i can't read gud

[open forum]

rad...I was looking at that and just...didnt even process it. Perhaps I should get sleep...

thanks!

[mighty valley]

being benched for getting loot the raid leader wanted is a tankbuster

[lapis tapir]

at what haste % should i consider heavy reprocussions over into the fray or do we not make that change at all

[scenic mural]

in m+ its always HR

[errant leaf]

I’ve been playing itf since launch in m+

45 haste juice

[mighty valley]

after managing SB uptime carefully all of shadowlands, i'm pretty happy to mostly run HR and not care

[nimble glen]

wtf is the most reliable way to survive the last trash pack of temple on a 18+. Once shield wall goes down I feel like I melt to the doubt minions if I have bad RNG

[onyx cedar]

You should bring spell block for the dark claws.

[modest gulch]

you guys helped me enough to get 4/8m with my guild and 53% kurog. What a great group of people... so helpful.

we're going to kill Kurog next week, you're all so helpful.

[nimble glen]

I feel like I melt through shield block, but its possible it fell off

[onyx cedar]

Mb let me fix it. Spell block.

[nimble glen]

thx i feel like an idiot lmfao

[buoyant tangle]

CC one of the doubts is an option aswell

[onyx cedar]

You could CC, but as warrior you probs dont need to. You spell reflect the first claw and spell block after and you are immune to it for 18 seconds. So total you are 24 seconds immune to the pack.

[nimble glen]

yeah we do that

[onyx cedar]

After that you can shield wall and hopium kite and the pack should be dead on a +18.

[lofty widget]

not exactly immune with spell block

[nimble glen]

does spell block work on the floor aoe or just the claws

[onyx cedar]

Not sure. But the floor aoe should not be an issue as you should be constantly moving on that anyway.

[nimble glen]

true

[tropic tangle]

you guys doing frogs this week? those whelp pulls early seem scary on fort

in AV that is

[still crater]

Hey guys, question about raid tanking. Why is it that both wowhead and icy recommend into the fray over heavy repercussions? I feel like 10% haste isn't enough to cover the full 6 second gap between charges and you'll hit a dead zone at some point.

[halcyon dust]

When you're not direclty tanking, no need to use shield block

[tropic tangle]

it's still a 30% dmg increase to SS

[mighty valley]

it's more of a raid choice for when there's large gaps in when sb is strictly needed

[still crater]

So, definitely not something to take on primal council or brood, but just not using sb is better for the rest of the fights?

[mighty valley]

i mean you still want the highest uptime you can get

but the haste from ITF generally results in higher damage etc so long as you're not missing blocked hits because of the switch

[still crater]

That's kind of the exact problem I'm seeing. I tank with one group and dps in another, but the tank for the second group just gets blown up out of nowhere, typically either immediately after or just before a swap, which seems to line up with when sb would be running out

[remote venture]

What Gems should I get the last one?

Same with primary stats?

[mighty valley]

you can only equip one primary stat gem

[mighty valley]

if a prot warr is struggling in any way with sb uptime, they should default to HR, yeah

[still crater]

Thanks

[cerulean tusk]

Is that a 2 star gem? Well, fill it with whatever stat you want.

[remote venture]

Yes, that is what I got from Public Order :( All the mats was 3 quality

[cerulean tusk]

Don't use public. Use a crafter, pay the small fee, bring mats and get a 3 star in one or two attempts. Recrafts are usually free.

,If you are in a guild, there is prob tons of crafters in it too.

[mighty valley]

trade chat is popping off these days

[remote venture]

Not on my server on Horde side

The trade chat is empty

[onyx needle]

Might be me being a dolt, but i did not think gems could be recrafted.

And got a query about trinkets, I have a few to choose from Incarn Icon 408, Dec of Flame 402, Grieftorch 411, Blazebinder 411, Whelp Shell 411, and Granyth 411. For fights that i am not overly worried about dmg taken (council, eranog, dathea, grimtotem, and spider) i tend to run Grieftorch and Incarn Icon, on fights i need to look at extra defensive soak i run Icon and Flame. For steady mitigation i use Icon and Granyth.

My question is are those sets ok, or should I be swapping them out for other trinkets.

[lofty widget]

just run grieftorch+icon for everything

those other 2 trinkets are meh

[scenic mural]

for groups where others dont have icon id run blaze

i didnt see u were talking abou raid, id run icon and grief regarless in raid. granyths is useless as its uncontrollable

[tame jasper]

Void Slash from the first mobs in SBG can be outraged, right?

[dusky fable]

spell block, reflect + outrange

[lofty widget]

they can but they have to be slowed

otherwise you wont get enough distance

[merry trout]

Hey, for 2nd boss in RLP, does spell reflect work for searing blows?

or is it just pure physical dmg

[lean zephyr]

physical

the worst part of the tankbuster is the bleed it leaves behind, so you can use sr for that

[merry trout]

oh ok, ty

[mighty valley]

SR doesn’t reduce bleed dmg

[faint mica]

what's the best race for prot war (for challenging M+ content) ?

I don't see much about it in guides, sry if I missef a faq :/

[tame jasper]

many consider drwarf for removal, on horde side many consider vulpera for the dam reduce, but in the end play what you want, they are all close

I personally stick on my (since vanilla) tauren and like the war stomp, even its on same Diminishing Return with stomrbolt and shockwave

[ionic idol]

belf is also nice in some dungeons for the aoe dispel

[tame jasper]

yes but you have many b11 out there, eg all horde DH

[ionic idol]

yea I'd say the absolute best is dwarf

[spare loom]

what missives should I get on my belt? crit haste?

[faint mica]

tyvm I picked dwarf anyway, was wondering with nelf for meld

[amber siren]

Crit/haste is a good pick

Nelf doesn't have the best use case for tanking since melding will drop aggro off you

If you were dps and tanking then maybe

[lofty widget]

meld is good for 3rd boss TJS, that's about it tho

[wanton bridge]

is a 415 scale decent or bait? I have 408 all-totem and 402 rumbling ruby

[amber siren]

it's not very good, ruby and totem are better

[wanton bridge]

yeah sweet, I had a feeling

Im swapping to pwar from bear, so much tankier but I still do low damage. Im 414 and in a 22 AV I only did like 40k overall, where as I do like 60k as bear - but I live so worth lol

[blazing condor]

you can throw us a log if you want pointers on why youre doing bad dmg

[wanton bridge]

Ill log my next key and do that I th ink

[jade zephyr]

which is the better crafatble trinket? [Alacritous Alchemist Stone] or [Darkmoon Deck Box: Watcher] ?

[wanton bridge]

Like my group does more damage as I pull bigger so Im sticking war, I just need to find the dmg - Ive mained druid for years so it just comes easier

[jade zephyr]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/ragnaros/Chargez what do you guys think i should spend a spark on to craft?

[tame jasper]

418 CR bracers

[shell coral]

what is the best talent build for raid and M+?

i assume the wowhead one isnt the best

[lofty widget]

pins

[jagged pier]

pins

[spare loom]

what are the best wrists I can get?

right now i got haste/vers

[jagged pier]

bracers are low buget as long as u have highest ilvl bracers u have they are fine

[round pendant]

the ones from shadowmoon are fine

what I want to know is, engineering wrists worth?

[jagged pier]

well u can 1 stat them so yer

and u can get them 418

they also highest ilvl bracers outside of raid

[round pendant]

Yeah thought so

[tame jasper]

And u get CR 🤷‍♂️

[round pendant]

Wish I could figure out how nome does such fat damage

I tried so hard to pad on eranog but only got 88 parse

[jagged pier]

u know its a really hot take

but

he plays correctly

[round pendant]

It was a 6 minute fight tho lmao

[jagged pier]

well he also got to cheese on the adds on eggnogg

the ads for me instantly die

[round pendant]

but even then, my dps is awful on council

Was also a shitshow of a fight tho, hopefully things go better when I join 2/8 only groups next week

[round pendant]

Yeah I saw his TR dps was like 3x mine lmao

[jagged pier]

probably because he uses it on the adds

and with cds

[round pendant]

oh in my last kill I had quite a bit of dps with it actually

6.5k

His fight didn't have a second wall phase either

but I'm just worse anyway

[slim dove]

yeah if eggnog adds die insta

gl parsing

playing arms my boss dam is like 98-99 but because our ww monk and dh save CDs to parse on adds i never get above a low purple parse

[round pendant]

I should probably be happy with an 88 parse (95 ilvl) tbh

since I'm not willing to really sweat it out

but I went from casually hitting 95s+ on heroic to 85s on mythic, so sad

[hardy snow]

you always get way higher %% on hc with same playstyle

[round pendant]

Yeah for sure, there's way more terrible players to pad the bottom of the percentiles

[hardy snow]

especially as a tank

[round pendant]

Man I joined a hc broodkeeper to help my friend get the trinket (it dropped and he didn't get it btw)

and I asked to go adds, and the tank and then half the group left

Never gonna get a good parse on brood either

[foggy lantern]

Hello, I've had to switch to protection to co-tank for the guilds heroic progression in VOTI. So far I've managed to successfully tank 7/8hc (I'm adds on Diurna) but Raszageth is causing me some issues. (Mostly struggling to even get to intermission, but that's not something I cause) When we do get to intermission though, I seem to be struggling to gather up the adds around the elemental when they spawn AND move out of the breath, I can get aggro on the melee ones quite well, I use ravager early so that it is ready to use again for the intermission, but I still struggle with getting aggro on all the adds. Does anyone have any advice/tips for me on how to do the intermission? I've tried watching countless videos and streams, but they are all skilled at prot-warrior and make it look disgustingly easy very quickly so I can't actually see what they are doing to gather that group up. Sorry for the long message and thanks for any help offered.

[slim dove]

@strong forum prevoker is bangin

this shit is fun af, coming from a 12year rdruid main

[median tulip]

The melee ones should just follow you; it should only take a TClap to get them stuck on you. The casters need your teammates to spread some interrupts around. If you're having issues with getting the snap aggro ask for a Hunter or Rogue in your team to give you Misdirect/Tricks

You can also use Disrupting Shout on one pack of them

[foggy lantern]

So it's less of an issue that is my fault, and more of a case that the DPS are effectively going too ham too fast and not following me properly?

One issue I noticed, is that the casters will not always be interrupted in time and when I have to move they stay back, then swap threat to a DPS that's pumping into them even if I taunt it just wears off before the caster moves.

[median tulip]

The caster mobs will nuke randomly anyway

[jagged pier]

The mobs on brood dont get an aggro table until like 2 seconds after they spawn

Really annoying

[round pendant]

tclap is a little small for it ime

I usually do this

First pack: Thunderous Roar
Second pack: AOE Taunt
third pack: whatever else while saving CDs for wrecking throw on raz

but yeah people go ham instantly but the mobs don't really hurt so

[wanton bridge]

is frostfire belt worth if I dont have a fire ring?

[round pendant]

yeah it's still good

[wanton bridge]

better than haste / vers?

[round pendant]

sim it

[wanton bridge]

true

[deft mortar]

Bruh i dont get upgrades anymore

Game boring now

ilvl almost peaked

Do I have to do mythic raids or smth now to get 424s

Noo

[pure holly]

Hey guys.
I only play M+.
What should be my best trinkets setup?
Windscar + ???

[wicked hazel]

I wait until they move to thunderclap then spam revenge I move from breath then charge to furthest caster and kick and start moving towards second, I use ravaged on first roar on second aoe taunt on third that order changed based on my cds

[wicked hazel]

Don’t forget you can wrecking throw first and last add 😘

[wicked hazel]

Most likely whispering or all totem maybe hoof from ruby

[pure holly]

I do not have the opportunity to go raid.
So Windscar + Hoof I guess

[amber siren]

Blazing hoof or the centaur icon, yeah

[noble wyvern]

I just sim'd and it says puzzle box is my 2nd best trinket. Ive only read its rubbish

[amber siren]

It's not the effect that's bad, it's the cast time

Either you're going to use it pre-pull or during an opportunity you're not taking blockable damage

[noble wyvern]

Feels like I need to start raiding. Or buy a run where I can get something else

[amber siren]

But it's worth less and less if you need to hold it when it's off CD to use it safely

Unfortunately this time around, m+ trinkets for us aren't the best

[languid light]

Realize you get gear to play the game, not the other way round. Problem solved.

[fallow nova]

But muh dopamine!!

In all seriousness though, most folks only engage with big open games like wow to work towards a goal

I've seen a lot of folks who reach absolute BiS and feel they've "completed" the game for that character so nothing feels productive anymore

[uneven ice]

Sim is saying that my best trinket combination is whetstone and decoration, but i have a hoof same lvl as decoration

I’m being sim baited?

[stark furnace]

Isnt decoration a bis?

I see its most used on subcreation

[amber siren]

Subcreation data needs to be taken with a large amount of salt

Decoration definitely isn't bis

For the sim itself, I have no idea

[oak echo]

it's a decent to slightly above average tank trinket if you like literally use it on cd. the damage on it isn't anything special though

[amber siren]

My only guess is that you have weird options in your sim since decoration definitely shouldn't win in a standard patchwerk sim over hoof

[thin lion]

Anyone have Self-sustaining tips/guides for prot? I currently feel like I drop hard once healer gets got

[blazing condor]

if you keep shield block / IP up you shouldn't really have any issues

you can use impending victory for self heals

and just rotate defensives

[thin lion]

I see, currently struggling to complete 12s/13s at ilvl 394

[blazing condor]

thats something you shouldnt be struggling with at that ilvl tbh

unless you get hard fucked by specific mobs thats raging

[sick sentinel]

don't sweat it

this week is aids for affixes

cancer, some other horrible word

[blazing condor]

i mean thats the cope approach

easy to say if you dont wanna improve

link a log and we can give pointers

[thin lion]

Trying to determine if it's my play, rough groups, or what. I almost always stay in battle stance as well

[blazing condor]

log it

[sick sentinel]

nah bro lol, 704k elite thunder caller dmg to entire party cuz we didnt have enough dps basically lol

on a 12 or 13 or somethin rlp

fuck t4hat

[blazing condor]

gotta kill the small thunder elemntals

so he dont absorb them for the shield

[sick sentinel]

i didn't check why they didnt die tbh, and that was the only rlp that even completed for me this week

so, yeah, thats leaving a sour taste for me

[blazing condor]

the mini-boss absorbs every small elemental into his shield that you gotta break

so if you pull the packs on both sides into him you can get fucked

[sick sentinel]

ah, your lucky, i dont have outplayed of this key for some reason, best i have is a perma link

[grizzled hinge]

Do the mobs who run away with intimidating shout pull other packs?

[jagged pier]

yes but int shout insta breaks so its fine

[sour marsh]

Question, i just returned to tanking and im starting to push into higher keys, for me, like 16-19s. And im noticing that certain mobs even with full IP and shield block are absolutely trucking me. Like in AV the Arcane Construct Bash, or in SMB the Reanimated Ritual Bones Void Slash. What can i do to help mitigate these types of hits?

[sick sentinel]

yes, after a thorough investigation

[jagged pier]

u mean the bash u can sidestep?

[sick sentinel]

raider io recorded key, but i didnt start the recording program until around 6 pm

[jagged pier]

because u arent supposed to get hit byit

[sick sentinel]

so, we don't get to argue about why the 704k dmg came out

[sour marsh]

didnt know that, so just treat it like quelling in Court

[sick sentinel]

sadly, i know you were all looking forward to it, its a mystery now

[tropic fox]

heya is burgeoning seed any good if its a higher ilvl as decoration of flame? i don't have acces to a higher decoration, tbh

[sick sentinel]

AV tank trinket? people here don't like it, i think i would like it if i got it, but whatever

[grizzled hinge]

ty, makes sense

[sick sentinel]

the guy here making the argument against me said, "its X and Y at 5 stacks which is a 2 m 30 s cd, (so its worth [x+y=z], so its trash, don't ever use it)" but its really only a 30 s cd, so, you could line it up with whatever the hell you wanted like avatar or roar and you get a bit more dmg in those windows,
short, its not the greatest, but it'd do if you don't have something better, for now, at least

[amber siren]

if it's a substantial ilvl upgrade, you could sim it to check if the str mainstat is enough to overtake

but both defensive sides of those trinkets are not good

[sick sentinel]

is it something that is better for a spike dmg intake tank dk/dh / maybe bear/monk idunno

i could see a DK using it, more hp, more versa to heal more through deathstrike, they need to heal, pop trinket, bigger heal, maybe its just huge bait for anyone and nobody except like, 1 spec for 1 raid boss its usable, as a meme

[languid light]

Lots of tank busters, and all work a little different. The Arcane Construct Bash in AV you can sidestep (took me a while to find out, too). The Void Slash in SMBG you can't. Many people take Spell block for those two packs, you can also stun them and kite them.

Some you can spell reflect (TJS), some you can outrange by taking mini-steps (HoV)

[thin finch]

I think you should check this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa_vcaq9J5c

[sour marsh]

thank you! yea i had no idea you can side step it and thank you @thin finch for the video that was exactly what i was looking for!

[timber wasp]

Hey guys, is this worth upgrading? Or should I hold out for something like whetstone

[dapper bone]

having trouble finding any info on crafted trinkets viability for prot, ive check icyveins, wowhead and all the pins here... kinda out of ideas where to go to ask

[thin finch]

np 🙂

[tropic tangle]

blazebinder is solid

one of the better trinkets that drops from M+

[dapper bone]

are any of the crafted trinkets even halfway decent?

[amber siren]

there's no good crafted trinkets for us

[heavy temple]

Can zephyr slam stack beyond 5? I did calculate zephyr slam damage at 5 stacks by 321k x 2.5 (5stacks) x 0.58 (armor) x 0.65 (block) to be just 302k. Doesnt sound right that dont even need a defensive to technically live it

[dapper bone]

oki, ty

[daring marlin]

My 397 prot pally has 5500 haste unbuffed. lul

[median tulip]

I only know about the JC trinkets; the issue with them is that while the Elemental Lariat works on the lower of the two stats on a gem, the Idols work on the higher of the two stats. So the only way to get Haste from both of them is the Mono-Stat gems, which have less stats overall than the Duo-Stat gems.

[timber terrace]

Zephyr slam doesn't do a lot you don't need a defensive to live it unless the boss has stacks from the adds

[sacred flare]

I belive it is more of an issues of being yeeted off from the slam

[strong forum]

Not for us

Pwar can take infinite slams

[sacred flare]

Charge and HL right but the more stacks you take the tighter the timing

[strong forum]

It's really really easy

[dapper bone]

i was looking at the alchemy trinkets and tbh they both have stuff prot could use

[strong forum]

Just spam charge

[sacred flare]

I got yeeted withing a gcd so couldt charge but learned from then

[strong forum]

Charge is off gcd

So you just didn't spam charge enough

[dapper bone]

maybe not S or A tier but maybe B? idk fs cause theres NO information on them regarding either guides i saw

[strong forum]

They're alright if you will never step into raid

[timber terrace]

The haste alchemy trinket is good if you have nothing else

[sacred flare]

apparently not charge spam then

[dapper bone]

im still using a 356 i got from a world quest XD

[median tulip]

I have the Alacritous on my Rogue; it's decent if paired with the Potion Absorption Inhibitor

[sacred flare]

I used the phial one early one before i got anything basicly leads to unlimited phials

[faint mica]

I don't get why no guide mention "rend" and I checked a log and Shuwar was using it alot

[dapper bone]

wowhead guide has rend for m+ build

[median tulip]

The Sustaining one saves you money on Phials; the Alacritous one costs you money on potions 😂

[faint mica]

yeah but it's not even mentionned in rotation section so Idk

[dapper bone]

but i dont think you use it in rotation, just have it so it can proc on thunder clap and revenge

cause i removed it and used instigate instead but then my revenge and storm clap werent procing bleeds

[median tulip]

Because you don't actually use Rend; you spec Blood and Thunder to have Thunderclap apply it for free

[faint mica]

oh ok wclogs baited me actualy 🙂 thx for the info

[odd tree]

Well it does a bunch of dmg, we just never cast "rend"

[faint mica]

yeah but it displayed a number of "casts" haha

[odd nimbus]

is there anywhere that immovable object is better than unstoppable force?in m+

[amber siren]

strictly nowhere

[odd tree]

How many casts? Curious if logs count each application as a cast

[amber siren]

rend doesn't show in casts, it'll be a null value if it is displayed

[faint mica]

wtf it looks like I was drunk af

[odd tree]

That's what I'd assume, like deep wounds

[faint mica]

Rybie is right

[odd tree]

You could do a build with quite a bit of SW uptime, but not sure it would be needed

Also the dps decrease would suck

[amber siren]

that and it turns SW into a damage CD since it now procs avatar

it's just not a good talent

[odd tree]

Might try it in some guild keys tonight, take defenders aegis to see how much avatar uptime I can get

[daring marlin]

Like turning Avatar/SW into a dollar store Sentinel.

[toxic pewter]

I like immovable object I think it’s a great talent

[daring marlin]

[frank dust]

what main hand echant do we do

[toxic pewter]

It’s awesome and has cool synergy

[slim dove]

giga high tjs where you need to live 6-7+ kicks.

also big bird, same deal.

alternative is to play bdk and press death strike

[hazy herald]

Cozymadge 😍

[weary python]

In raids, do you guys have a button you macro a bunch of shit for opener on? I currently have one that does: cast taunt, cast avatar, cast shield block. I usually drop ravager 1s before charge and hit that macro while charging. Anything else I can do differently?

So it's like:. Ravager 1s before pull. Charge in. Taunt, Avatar,SB while charging.

[mighty valley]

nah I just press all my buttons

[weary python]

Yeah there's a shit ton lol

[toxic pewter]

I don’t use any ability combination macros and I actively look down on people that do

[weary python]

Good chat

[dusty mica]

how good is avoidance for us?

[frank dust]

i have a concentrated primal infusion and a normal primal infusion

what should i use it on

mind you i have a crafted 402 weapon and a 405 shield, currently using heroic brood shield

[slow harbor]

conc to wep or shield, normal to boots imo

[frank dust]

boots arent crafted

cloak, neck, shield, weapon, belt

[slow harbor]

but they can be

[frank dust]

i dont have another spark lol

[amber siren]

shield is first priority, weapon is second

[amber siren]

it's decent if you happen to get some, nothing worth dropping ilvl or stats for

[frank dust]

even if i have a 411 shield arleady?

[amber siren]

yes

[frank dust]

ok

thank you

[slim dove]

shield => wep > neck > non-tier

[stoic rover]

Why shield over wep?

[frank dust]

block

[stoic rover]

Bigger shield = more bigger block?

[slim dove]

block value

[frank dust]

i just didnt know if u had a 411 shield and 402 weapoin if weapon was better to upgrade considering its a lot lower

ilvl

[daring marlin]

Just get more sparks 5head

[slim dove]

LOL JUST GET MORE SPARKS

[daring marlin]

[stoic rover]

Im in a similar boat I can get a 418 lariat(405) wep(402) or shield(405)

and ofc sim is like do weapon BRO

[slim dove]

because no shit weapon is the biggest damage increase lmao

[stoic rover]

all she cares about tsk

[daring marlin]

size queen simbot

[frank dust]

im doing weapon 418 and then lariat

405

[mighty valley]

Odyn PB

[daring marlin]

no bully

[heady sapphire]

can I run BkEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFIEBAAAASSSkkg0SKJJpUQEIUkIRJJBIQSQDJJIARCAAAAAAAEBAoUaAgA on HC boodkeper as the boss tank, or swap stuff?

402 ilvl

[astral crystal]

Lol

[pallid quiver]

I love when this happens and absolutely everyone in the party decides that it's his time to go

[cinder storm]

I hate how some spells override odyns death

And everyone is watching it go down 79..78... Like come on just "die"

[sick sentinel]

he usually dies at 78% for me

[surreal bison]

is whelp best trained for aoe or single target dmg?

[amber siren]

st

[violet hornet]

guys i just had a tank die to melee attacks whilst having shield block up, it reads that blocks all melee attacks, so how exactly does shield block work?

[jagged pier]

blocks reduce damage

they dont stop damage

[violet hornet]

reduced by how much

[jagged pier]

depends on block value of the sheild

and can be upto 85% if u crit block

but thats rng

[violet hornet]

ok ty

[shadow wagon]

which dungeons should i run spell block?

[cinder storm]

Temple for sure, ruby mainly first boss tyr, AV

[shadow wagon]

av is for piercing shards i guess?

or ice cutters?

[amber siren]

yep

mostly for shards

[shadow wagon]

i feel pretty good about being able to stop 90% of them

in that case would you not run it?

[amber siren]

if you don't think you're going to die from the damage, it doesn't make sense to run the defensive for it

[cinder storm]

In that case for last boss in case you mess up your spell reflect on tyrannical

[amber siren]

yeah sure, lots of stuff like that

spell block is less of a 'what dungeons do i need to use this for', more of a 'what pulls do i need this for'

if you don't know why you're running it, you're not going to use it effectively

[sick whale]

If you mouse over your block % it shows how much it is currently blocking:

[amber siren]

not quite, the text there is the important part

if you're against a boss, the amount changes

[sick whale]

yeah, that is what the grey text implicitly says

[toxic pewter]

I crit block ALOT cuz I run mastery build

[small warren]

Anyone know if I can spell block or reflect the earth phase add on Mythic kurog?

[sick sentinel]

what other specs do you guys play on wow

im curious, or you quit

[deep sluice]

whats your build on M+

[fallow beacon]

Just starting mythic raszageth prog - any hot tips for prot warrior?

[sick sentinel]

i thinking about playing wow again, just i dunno lul

[warm plinth]

Didn't you just quit like 3 days ago

[sick sentinel]

ran out of sub not paying for atm, same thing innit? usually in games if i quit for more than week it sticks

i mean hell, i didn't watch all of it, but i probably watch i dunno, at least 30-40% of MDI 2023 DF, see what people are up to all that

[small warren]

enh sham looks very interesting to me but didnt have the chance to level one yet

[sick sentinel]

TBH id have to find another game to play to begin with .... kekw

every other game is like , 4-48 hr experience one time and then its done

[undone verge]

why didnt anyone tell me bdk was this easy

[sick sentinel]

its fun until 15's where u start to take more spikey-ier dmg

SOURCE: i saw my bdk friend stream it on discord

[undone verge]

but the spiky dmg is when it gets fun

[sick sentinel]

hp go very low constantly as dk

[undone verge]

giga deathstrikes are so satisfying

[sick sentinel]

fun if u want to have a pace maker installed next week sure

that being said, i prefer random damage in a shooter game like doom as opposed to something with hard fixed dmg amount per gun/bullet

[toxic pewter]

Yogi go play overwatch 2

[sick sentinel]

im bad at shooters now sadly

[toxic pewter]

Can be Reinhardt swing hammer like a prot warr

[sick sentinel]

i did horse lady

[toxic pewter]

Yah that works too

Orisa fun they redesigned her

[sick sentinel]

in unranked first game i went reinhardt tried to charge, died didnt like it, went orisyia whatever she is called, 30-2

but, im just not OW gamer, fortnite,, i tried fortnite for about 3 months, it was hell for me (season 4, reached tier 100 solo matches)

[toxic pewter]

Nice

[shadow wagon]

+12 cos

i can't imagine why we didn't time

[wheat latch]

Hello guys, would u recommend 415il weapon Spellbane Cutlass (haste>versa) VS Strike Twice (crit<mastery + extra chance dmg buff)?

[flat hatch]

1EWXZ`

[stark jewel]

I'd recommend what a sim recommends

although at same ilvl, id assume strike twice sims higher no matter what stats you put it up agaisnt

[amber siren]

It will

[stark jewel]

but dont quote me on that

[jagged pier]

Would u like a free embelishment

[modern brook]

U can quote a sim on thay

[jagged pier]

Also stats and free thing > better thats

[modern brook]

If ud like

[viral elk]

What's generally the preferred, horde race for prot war? I saw Belf in a lot of higher end content, but feel like the tauren races would also be pretty useful?

[jagged pier]

Vulp is best for m+

But race doesnt matter

[stark jewel]

honestly at this point id almost rather have a major haste ring instead of diurna ring

[jagged pier]

[stark jewel]

but diurna ring is good for fury

si im aight with it

[lucid dew]

Isn’t 421 diarna bis?

What two rings would you use among these options. 415 court ring, 421 diarna, 418 brood, 418 crafted

I have extra sockets so they’d all be socketed

[strong forum]

415 melandrus + 421 diurna

[toxic pewter]

Hell yeah Vulpera my favorite tank race. The instant heal can come in clutch sometimes

[lucid dew]

@strong forum that is what I was leaning towards. I do low 20s so I feel like just simming for damage is the move which would be those two

[steel belfry]

anyone know an addon for showing spell ids on tooltips?

[distant crystal]

idTip

[lapis tapir]

Not sure if i missed an answer but into the fray vs heavy reprocussions?

[urban portal]

if you need to ask that question its going to be HR

you play ITF when you are just not dying

[lapis tapir]

so with me almost never dying in 20+ i just stick to itf for more damage?

[urban portal]

you can

[lapis tapir]

i appreciate the info. i see people talking about it. If i do higher keys ill prob consider swapping. ty again

[urban portal]

in lower keys not only do packs die faster, the hits that go through block doesnt matter as much

[modest grove]

guys how can i check the uptime of my SB ? Can't find it:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9rf13WMDk2zFpqgJ#fight=2&type=casts&source=60&translate=true

[lapis tapir]

so which is more survivability and which is more damage?

[urban portal]

HR is more survial

ITF is more damage

[lapis tapir]

perfect, this helps alot

[timid swan]

Tauren plate wearers for the win

[violet river]

Hey how should I decide between crit and vers on my Warrior's Lariat, only doing low keys atm

[lapis tapir]

so if im not getting clapped in my current levels of m+, swapping to battle stance a bad option? minus a few groups and bosses

[urban portal]

even the highest keys are done in 90% battle stance

you go defensive stance for big hits only

[lapis tapir]

like macro for shield wall for instance?

[urban portal]

no

you use it like any other defensive

[timid swan]

Y’all actually use battle stance to tank? I was pulling like 30k dps in defense while tanking lol

[lapis tapir]

sweet, i was debative on that. I usually only stay in it for the bird boss in academy and 3rd boss on in temple

[chilly brook]

More often than not yes

[solemn current]

Can do more outside of defensive stance. Shouldn’t really be about “I feel like I do ok enough damage” its “how do I do more and still survive”.

[timid swan]

True

[solemn current]

I only leave battle stance during certain encounters or mechanics. And even that depends on key level and affixes. “Do I need 15% DR for a moment” kind of question.

[strong forum]

always big dam

[stoic rover]

Is there a list somewhere of what we actually want to take spell block for?

[wraith prism]

Buffs, select self

Under Defensive Buffs

[modest grove]

ty mate

[warm plinth]

I do 40k on mine and I'm not even 400 ilevel yet

[timid swan]

Yeah I’m only about 380, just started playing Prot

[strong forum]

ill allow it

was concerned when you said 30k

but didnt wanna pry

[timid swan]

Lol, yeah like just started not really knowing what I’m doing, never tanked before but I love it, figuring it out pretty good, done up to a 9 key so far tanking

[strong forum]

[wanton bridge]

I forgot to log as I’ma smooth brain, but does this look like OK damage for a 21 RLP? Only my 2nd week playing PWar and I’m still trying to work things out lol

Coming from Bear where I prob do 65k in that key but floor pov more than I’d like.

[modest grove]

How did you geared your warrior in 2 weeks for a 21RLP? 😮

[wanton bridge]

I’ve been playing it in 15s off and on for a while and kept up on spark quests. Started doing 20s at like 403 ilvl.

I’m only around 410 atm I think

I just have nfi how much damage I should be doing lol

[sick sentinel]

does strength increase ignore pain amount?

[lusty tiger]

U did about medium, but pls log so we can see why next time

[wanton bridge]

Kk will do. I think I’m not using revenge enough for sure. My breakdown was like, TC > SS > Rend > Revenge.

[lusty tiger]

If anything you want ss>rev/tc>rend

Depends on pulls

[wanton bridge]

Ahhhhh kk.

[lusty tiger]

I’m sure you’re close- send logs in and you’ll be on your way to gamertown

[wanton bridge]

Sweet. I’ll log tonight if I remember

[lusty tiger]

Just get loggerhead and keep it on

[stable valve]

Don’t press rend ever

[wanton bridge]

I don’t. It’s the dot.

[lusty tiger]

Talking about damage breakdown

[stable valve]

Ohhhhh

My b, misread

[wanton bridge]

Its not even on my bars I worked that on out lol

[stable valve]

Good lad/las lol

[strong forum]

for 410 das a bit lowish

last time i did rlp it i did like 72k? i think

its been a few weeks, im not often in there

[wanton bridge]

Yeah that’s what I expected. Just looked at rio im 413 I lied.

[strong forum]

yeah, so i guess a good benchmark would be like atleast 60k

around that ballpark is what id say good

[wanton bridge]

Yeah sweet. I’ll have to post logs but I think maybe I’m spending too much rage on IP rather then revenge.

Ty 🙂

[strong forum]

gotta find a balance

its not just "where do i spend my rage"

most people think its just only that

when its more often than not, just not pressing enough buttons and prioritizing other buttons over shield slam

[wanton bridge]

Yeah I treat IP too much like Iron Fur lol

[strong forum]

nah thats fine

thats my CPM

pressing IP is a dps increase if its done to prevent overcapping of rage

[wanton bridge]

During avatar I prio TC and Revenge over SS on 5+ targets yeah? Or doni still use SS in CD

[strong forum]

depends on the trashpack

but you dont stop using SS until very high targets counts

where the rage influx is high enough through bloodsurge

thats my dmg breakdown

if yours doesnt look remotely like that, you need to change your rotation

[wanton bridge]

It’s very similar. Just swap TC and SS. Which means I’m not pressing SS on CD I guess.

[strong forum]

TC should never be your top dmg

outside of AA

[wanton bridge]

Kk yeah I’m over prioritising it

[strong forum]

AA is the only dungeon where your pulls are dumbfuck large enough to warrant TC and rend being anywhere close to SS or even overtake it

[wanton bridge]

That makes sense haha

[strong forum]

and in other keys, what speeds up the key most is prio dmg

so youre better off SS-ing even in large target counts to kill that 1 blademaster or that large ravager

to speed up the key

cuz almost never do you have equal HP mobs

so if you have the choice, rather send the outburst SS on ST rather than the pad TC to look better on overall

the irrelevant pad will be handled by dps players

[wanton bridge]

Yeah that makes sense. That’s how I play my bear with maul and mangle etc, I just need to learn to do it on my warrior haha.

[strong forum]

shouldnt bear play raze in keys

[wanton bridge]

Depends. Honestly ToI is pretty giga

And very easy to play.

Raze does more damage. ToI surprisingly does more ST lol

[strong forum]

its not surprising cuz Toi is split dmg

[wanton bridge]

I got world #4 Terros playing thorns lol the ST is giga too.

[strong forum]

bear is dmg king

[wanton bridge]

But generally yeah Raze is bis

[wanton bridge]

Pity about the survive

[strong forum]

thats the downside

you gotta choose

either dmg build or surv

cant do both

[wanton bridge]

My DPS dropped by 20-30k in keys going war but my group DPS went up by 15k each due to pulls.

[wanton bridge]

Our only magic DR is a proc and it’s not even that good lol

And I can get the damage back. War just feels so good in m+. Your class designer is a legend.

[strong forum]

Im a bit bored with war

Is too easy to play

[wanton bridge]

It is a bit which is funny coming from a bear main.

[south zealot]

true

i play bdk in keys now instead of pwarrior

pretty fun

[daring marlin]

prot pally rising?

:^)

[south zealot]

avengers shield not giving holy power is so unsatisfying to play for me

[daring marlin]

I don't even notice anymore

plus divine toll slaps

[south zealot]

yeah its not a big deal pr anything

just awkward to get used to

[cinder storm]

Many fotm rerollers are just going with the safe tank

Or got bored and want to play the next flavor class

[south zealot]

i have a paladin at 60 its just so boring to level 60-70

i gotta sell some keys

[strong forum]

No

Im healer now

(for memes)

[shut summit]

same

talent changes plz

[south zealot]

reprisal and banner

[daring marlin]

rework spear 😠

roar too stronk with passive bleed increase

[daring marlin]

I hit level cap pn my pally first. I usually play all the plate classes tbh.

[rain kestrel]

did some testing with this today on high keys, seems prettty good

on azure procced 20 times

6k vers for 20 secs seems op

[turbid prism]

it says increased for, not multiplied by - did it actually give 6k? seems pretty nuts if it does

i would have thought it'd be something small like 10% more per ally

[rain kestrel]

oooh

thought it would multtiply

not sure then

but even if it does give 2k or so, seems pretty good

[sick sentinel]

i thought about taking on a new role as well, but i was thinking melee dual wield dps

i've ALWAYS been attracted to dual wield weapons

[toxic pewter]

Go make a tauren rogue

[sick sentinel]

i want old rogue back, combat, where you got a main hand weapon and a middle/fast dagger for poision

[warm plinth]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

i think the gun in stupid

[warm plinth]

You run MH weapon and dagger right now

[sick sentinel]

both between the eyes and quick shot

[toxic pewter]

Go roll it in classic

[sick sentinel]

i think its kinda cool, i just, i dunno its not for me, if i want guns i play huntard

[warm plinth]

I mean, it's not like you never melee or use melee abilities on rogues 🤔

[strong forum]

1ppm on 7% vers isn't really smth to write home about

[sick sentinel]

i secretely want to play frost dk, or rogue, or dh or like ehance sham or WW monk

something like this, i think paladin is a bit too, derpy for lack of a better term

[strong forum]

Dpsing is super boring idk

[sick sentinel]

if i did dps, i could do raids

i can't tank raids, or its a bad idea lol

even LFR i don't feel comfortable certain bosses, so i sign up as dps

[rain kestrel]

really? well then

[strong forum]

205 vers = 1%

[daring marlin]

arms owns

[warm plinth]

@strong forum what are you playing on d3 this season

[toxic pewter]

Oh dang I’m excited to try d4 next month

What class you guys gonna play in d4

[warm plinth]

I'll probably try rogue first since that's what I main in Wow

[toxic pewter]

I think I’m gonna go druid

[warm plinth]

I likely won't play the open beta though. I'm not much of a beta guy

I'll wait til launch

[toxic pewter]

Fair enough

[strong forum]

Im already finished

But I played dh

[warm plinth]

Oh ok

[strong forum]

https://twitter.com/nomeratur/status/1629886193830707203?t=1slv5cVkiUnRQ1Ie3lNr5g&s=19

Nomeratur (@nomeratur)

finished D3 S28 now i shlep

Twitter · Feb 26, 2023, 4:48 PM

[warm plinth]

Nice

I've actually never finished a seasonal journey

[strong forum]

Season journeys are super easy

If you know what you're doing you can finish them in like 10hrs

Altar took a bit longer

[warm plinth]

I usually get burned out once I have to start farming primals to push rifts and I cba doing all the random shit for the journey

[strong forum]

Journeys are more streamlined now

Compared to early ones

[warm plinth]

Gotcha

[sick sentinel]

i have negative resist in hell d2

im gunna get pounded in ass if i try hell mode, or have to make a new char
my interest for d3 is very small sadly, or not huge i should say

it will not go well for me, 428 hp, -81 cold -47 lightning, yes, thats a bad idea

[lethal jewel]

any tips for a former brewmaster who's been struggling a bit in keys on prot?
most of the difficulty is probably from being unsubbed for 1.5 years, but i find myself sometimes getting aggro yoinked off me at the start of a pull if i dont get a mob in my thunderclap whereas on brew you build up so much easy threat with keg smash and bof

[solemn osprey]

I just had a healer tell me that tanks can stand still on Umbrelskul and they never get chased by the orbs. Is this a real strat or is someone taking advantage of my naivete?

[mighty valley]

Pre-ravager, maybe do a heroic throw at a target that’s outside TC range before pulling, try your best to position so your first TC hits everything

[wispy beacon]

im struggling with SBG righ now, any advice i should know with the first 2 packs this week?

[mighty valley]

Can always taunt a straggler, heroic leap resets taunt in emergencies