the issue you are trying to solve, is that you want to avoid the beams being positioned in such a way that there's no safe skeleton to kill
#protection
chilly brook
sick sentinel
and what your saying is they always come from that line north to south
every single time
tulip kelp
I mean unless you're the one baiting doesn't help you much
Still at the mercy of your baiter
dusty plinth
how do you all typically try to handled 3rd boss of temple defensively?
slim dove
how do you all typically try to handled 3rd boss of temple defensively?
plans cds for each kick
coordinate with healer
save lust for 70%.
remember last stand counts as a heal.
dusty plinth
so enough to shield wall one / last stand prior to one / dont use demo shout on cvd and instead use it for one?
slim dove
if you go past 4 kicks your dps are sleeping and the run is cursed
last stand after it hits you.
dusty plinth
ah okay
slim dove
the heal absorb is the issue
dusty plinth
got it so last stand will help get the absorb off
slim dove
last stand + IV handles an entire kick on its own pretty much
dusty plinth
how long in between each kick
dusty plinth
i assume i can use demo shout for first and have it up for at least two kicks if not more
velvet lichen
how do you all typically try to handled 3rd boss of temple defensively?
how high of a key?
dusty plinth
the highest your capable of
velvet lichen
k, so we get around 7-8 on tyra
and no lust cause need for last boss
This is round about what we do
- DS IV TD
- SB SR SW
- SB LS IV Komunion
- SR DS SW
- NELF
- SR IV TD
- DS SW Healthpot
scenic mural
Def dont need lust for lust boss, on tur i lust third at 70
scenic mural
Fair
velvet lichen
26s TJS last boss is impossible without
or no one has ever done it without
i belive below that its better to do 3nd boss lust
for safety
naive panther
struggling in 22s, getting old
that last run, pretty clean, just each pull was long, dk about my damage until tree boss
mighty valley
eventually you just gotta have v good dps players and pull around their cds
potent harbor
hey guys cant sleep,saw some high end prot wars dont pick ravager, what is actually good replacement for that? i didnt check for they take instead of it
potent harbor
hmm ye but also they all also play HR instead ITF?
warm plinth
That's because you're supposed to play HR in keys
turbid shuttle
HR > ITF in keys
potent harbor
like at leats first 10 prots all HR i mean they have enough haste to play itf
warm plinth
Define enough haste to play ItF
wheat latch
sorry to bother, what is HR and ITF shortcuts?
potent harbor
i have 45-47 haste with itf in dungeomn and full uptime on sb
warm plinth
sorry to bother, what is HR and ITF shortcuts?
Heavy Repercussions and Into the Fray
wheat latch
thank u
warm plinth
45-47% haste with ItF is not enough haste to play ItF
potent harbor
i dont know i never struggle with sb
warm plinth
Then play it 🤷 A lot of people play ItF against our recommendation.
Including a lot of those prot warriors you're looking at at one point.
potent harbor
but what is reccomendation when u literally cover all important stuff with sb with that haste
urban portal
no one should "tell you" to play ITF
you play ITF if you feel like you dont need HR anymore
warm plinth
If you're factually getting enough uptime on Shield Block (not just feeling like you do) that you think you can run ItF, then run it.
urban portal
if i see ITF i also better see 90% blocked hits
wheat latch
if i have 33% haste unbuffed, shall i stick to itf or hr?
warm plinth
HR
wheat latch
yea i have 5088 +29.93%
potent harbor
okay i tried on dummy, with 47 haste with itf, each 60 seconds i lose 5 seconds on sb , but full 60 seconds fight, that never happens
potent harbor
but bosses never perma autoattack you always do some bullshiet like cast something etc
south zealot
that also means you lose 1-2 shield slams buffed by sb
potent harbor
ye i lose those buffed shield slams, but overall get 10 percent more haste in dmg
warm plinth
And what happens when that 5 seconds lands smack in the middle of a trash pack?
south zealot
if you can consistently get 90%+ blocked hits then you do you
warm plinth
5 seconds of no blocked hits is an eternity in a high key when you're fighting trash
potent harbor
i mena oaky im not doing 25 keys, jsut 21 or 22 maybe u right that trahs pack gets more like minute there
trim bay
21/22 on fortified with no block
potent harbor
so maybe thats why they use it i dont know
potent harbor
im not floor pov in any key
warm plinth
Like I said earlier though, if you want to run ItF, then run ItF. Not gonna tell you what to do. A lot of high key prot warriors were/are running ItF so obviously not everyone listens to us.
potent harbor
pack is not taking minute to kill
nash im not bull headed
like im fine with running hr jsut thinking about it
trim bay
why does it have to be a min
warm plinth
Because he said earlier that he loses 5 seconds of uptime per minute of fighting
potent harbor
because if its less ill always have perma uptime
trim bay
oooo i see
potent harbor
just my packs dont have one minute, max 30 - 45 secs
like i ofc do like double triple packs etc, dont know rly
i like HR idea, just need think about it, thanks for info anyway i think HR is rly important on super high keys or im not sure hmm
maybe im counting with fact my teammates will be perma around me which also doesnt happen perma
warm plinth
I think a big part of HR (for me) is that it just feels way safer
potent harbor
i mean bosses
warm plinth
Like it's something I can take off my plate
south zealot
prot warrior feels too squishy 
trim bay
if you take disrupting shout
potent harbor
i mean thats true sometimes im looking too much on my sb
which kinda starting ripping my mental health 😄
trim bay
do you lose thunderlord?
south zealot
you dont take thunderlord
potent harbor
well im playing with pugs and this weke tbh im perma disroupting shout
i dont trust them with kicks
trim bay
i dislike not having thunderlord
trim bay
i always take show of force 😮
potent harbor
i love that mass kick, i cant even say how many times it saved key
when pug use kick in same time on one mob
and then enragned cast going out oh ye
trim bay
yea still dont know if its worth loosing more demo up time
i mean yes its good
but it makes me feel restricted
trim bay
my whole life has been a lie
hybrid gust
leech is better than avoidance right?
warm plinth
For a tank, probably
potent harbor
maybe in soem super high keys where there is some TB going rly often into aprty it can help? like second boss ruby life pooll with shorter demo uc an have it for each elelemntal i would say? but ye situational for sure
south zealot
leech is better than avoidance right?
yes
on hyrja avoidance gains value though
if you strugglw with getting oneshot with tank beam
hybrid gust
yeah avoidance is good in HoV
south zealot
tru
warm plinth
Comes up as bad? What do you mean
toxic pewter
Battering ram owns. One of my favorite talents
potent harbor
br is awesome never ever put it off
toxic pewter
A lot of people enjoy battering ram over thunder lord. It makes it so demo shout lines up with CDs better and stuff
trim bay
aegis over wall?
toxic pewter
Na
hybrid gust
i hate dropping enduring alacrity, sometime id die if i didnt have it
warm plinth
Yeah there's no chance that's up to date lol
trim bay
roger
warm plinth
i hate dropping enduring alacrity, sometime id die if i didnt have it
There's no shot you would die without enduring alacrity. It's a shit talent.
hybrid gust
extra hp helps
warm plinth
No it doesn't
Extra HP helps if you get 1-shot. Other than that it's whatever.
If you
If you play properly, you shouldn't be getting 1-shot
hybrid gust
make sense
south zealot
what is enduring alacrity
hybrid gust
toxic pewter
sees Into the fray 🤢
timber terrace
It's a strong point by itself the problem is what you give up for it is better in most situations
fallow nova
Into the poor SB uptime
amber ravine
Anyone awake/around to take a peek at some logs for a 20 I just did, just looking for some room for improvement. Would aprpeciate it, can do it in whispers if wanted
hybrid gust
alright
dusty plinth
This is round about what we do
1. DS IV TD
2. SB SR SW
3. SB LS IV Komunion
4...
thanks for this
compact hawk
Switched from DH to warrior this season. Have been running defensive stance all the time. I saw the macro for swapping back and forth in the pinned posts. Do most warriors only swap into defensive for harder hitting fights?
undone verge
Switched from DH to warrior this season. Have been running defensive stance all ...
Most of the better Pwarriors spend all their time in Bstance, only swapping to dstance in really sketchy moments, or hard hitting mechanics/tank busters
theres nothing wrong with being in dstance, but its also completely unnecessary and a dps loss
dusty plinth
what does "TD" stand for?
tulip kelp
Trump, Donald
dusty plinth
lmao
undone verge
what does "TD" stand for?
touchdown?
dusty plinth
ha iono its in skillsclap's first defensive rotation for 3rd boss of temple
says he uses DS IV TD
demorlizing shout, impending victory and iono what TD is
dusty plinth
hmm yeah stoneform
undone verge
and darkiron is Fireblood
toxic pewter
what does "TD" stand for?
Tol Dagor, a dungeon from Battle for Azeroth
amber siren
Im guessing it's time dilation
toxic pewter
No, that is called dragon stagger
undone verge
Nom "unless its an evoker
they just remove the bleed
and you rotate SW and TD
and are literally immortal"
yeah prob Time dialation
toxic pewter
Or that cd that ripped off brewmaster
dusty plinth
yeah that's it, appreciate it
undone verge
how long you figure you need to clear the trash on ele boss on a 14?
dusty plinth
on fort weeks, do you all play in battle stance mostly and just go into d stance when you need or do you default to d stance and go into battle stance when you feel like things are stable
undone verge
I use Bstance always and swap to Dstance as more of a defensive CD
it could make sense to open with bstance, then swap to dstance when the pack starts enraging, but thats a personal choice
probably not something I would do tho
dusty plinth
okay so isntead you mostly are just always in bstance
round pendant
i wish i wasnt dropped on the head
At least you have an excuse
toxic pewter
Rather die in bstance than live long enough to become dstance user
round pendant
^
undone verge
Rather die in bstance than live long enough to become dstance user
what if youre at 1% on mythic rasz and if you dont go dstance the raid will die from breath bomb explosion
toxic pewter
what if youre at 1% on mythic rasz and if you dont go dstance the raid will die ...
I will see my entire raid burn
And blame the healers, of course
undone verge
what if its 5:59AM PST the day before the end of the raid season and this is the last chance for you to get CE
toxic pewter
Ce lasts a season. That warcraftlog record lasts a lifetime
undone verge
there wont be a warcraftlog of the wipe tho
toxic pewter
I will make it a kill. Single handedly.
undone verge
what if you will die too when your debuff explodes?
toxic pewter
I crush all in my path.
undone verge
what if you dont tho
toxic pewter
All.
south zealot
just had possibly the worst pug group ive literally ever had
undone verge
I bet I can top it
south zealot
toxic pewter
cause you'll be dead
A true warr never dies
undone verge
just had possibly the worst pug group ive literally ever had
you ever had a 400 ilvl mage do 4.7k dps overall?
south zealot
thats a carry
that is definitely worse but that mage couldnt have possibly been trying to play the game
these 4 were actually trying
undone verge
what level key
south zealot
13 av lol
undone verge
mine was like an 11 or 12 HOV I believe
south zealot
low keys are rough lol
round pendant
I wanna do a sbg to get my last +18 rating
but I'm actually scared of fortified raging +19 bones void slash
torn jay
Spellblock and eat all slashes to the face
toxic pewter
Strange
round pendant
Nah just range those
it never fucking works and idk
toxic pewter
On Mari he did 0 dmg
I would report that individual for gameplay sabotage
rough egret
I had emergency situation with daughter during the run so i adk for like 2 mins.. and we didnt timed key for like 4seconds
round pendant
Spellblock and eat all slashes to the face
Good for second pack ig, but first pack is a little scary cause dps players are like unga bunga focus caster and I'm sweating about the two boney bois
cloud umbra
first pack you can just stun them
round pendant
actually tbf you can prob spell block both packs
actually forgot about the pack between the two bone boi packs
cloud umbra
ehh spell block in sbg feels like such a waste haha
round pendant
I'd say it's worth it this week
Just because a fort enraged one will absolutely slap
cloud umbra
you can range it
round pendant
I still need someone to explain how
because when I try, they just follow me and I can't outrun them
cloud umbra
strafe backwards
warm plinth
because when I try, they just follow me and I can't outrun them
You need a slow to be able to consistently outrange them. Otherwise you need to full on kite them
Like a more than thunder clap slow
round pendant
Yeah and thunderclap slow isn't enough
so I think spellblock is a way to make it brainless
timid swan
What do you guys use to track threat?
timid swan
True
warm plinth
I don't track threat. Just nameplate color if I lose threat
round pendant
as long as you do some damage it's pretty hard to lose threat
timid swan
I just started tanking as a prot warrior, just got done with my first 2 m+, only did a 3 and an 8, went pretty smooth for the most part, still learning everything
Prot Warrior does a lot of damage too so I figure that’s why it easy lol
Survivability as Prot seems so easy
amber siren
Tbf any tank is going to be strong in an 8
timid swan
Yeah, only the second dungeon ever tanking though
Still don’t really know much about my abilities but it went smooth and I’m up to 385 ilvl
cinder storm
Survivability as Prot seems so easy
crawth and jade 3rd boss tyr coming through
To put it into perspective, people were doing over 16s first week of the season with that ilvl
So if you learn more about the class, you could attempt 10s or 12s
vocal peak
hey guys
rough egret
👋
vocal peak
i am tanking with my warrior in my raid and i have some problems / questions about that 😄
- Do you guys mainly tank is b-stance or d-stance? im not sure when to play what stance
- i tried to play the offensive build most prots are playing from subcreation and i keep dying from random shit
- i told my healers that they need to be paying more attention to me, but i hardly receive any direct heal from them, my raidlead told me that a normal thing and i cant believe him 😄 is there no more specific tankheal?
scenic mural
use the pinned build, and we are primarily in b stance. but yes warriors should still recieve some direct healing we arent bdks
jagged pier
i am tanking with my warrior in my raid and i have some problems / questions abo...
b-stance
the build in the pins are fine even tho nerf and i believe andy are bothing using the one or one in the pins
so if your dying its probably on you tbh
not doing somthing correctly
if u got logs ill be happy to take a look
vocal peak
many 😄
dry spear
There are some mechanics you can swap to d stance. Like the beam from rasz last phase. Or when you tanking kurog mythic and you feel not save. He hits hard. I would go with b stance all the time and then look for unsave phases and just go d stance to help the raid.
vocal peak
pn?
round pendant
There are some mechanics you can swap to d stance. Like the beam from rasz last ...
You can spell block that beam, pretty poggers
jagged pier
whats your char name i can see if u have logs
vocal peak
Davilwar
jagged pier
thought so
okay so stop using barbaric triaing
its not a dps increase
and stop using BB
its also hardly a dps increase
basically pretty easy fixes you arent tracking SB
your blocked hits should be like 85% at least
round pendant
BB being Bloodborne?
jagged pier
u have like 65%
jagged pier
BB being Bloodborne?
yes
and u need to press your buttons more
like your cpm usage is very low on your main abilities
round pendant
Would you say BB > Tough as Nails on council?
round pendant
ye just verifying that it's not just a bait lol
dry spear
But why are so many prots using BarbTraining?
jagged pier
and hes looing like bolster (if hes stuggling with blocktime which he is) or tough and the wall talent which is insane to loose
round pendant
blame wowhead
jagged pier
But why are so many prots using BarbTraining?
because it sims 100 dps more
which they dont understand
is within the margin of error
and
rage starves u
so the class is worse to play
like i had rank 3 on terros without barbaric
and without greiftorch
so okay
heres my log
jagged pier
5:37 rank 4 has barbaric and is ten second longer fight
vocal peak
anything else?
vocal peak
okay
dry spear
I am mostly copying the talents from sense. But BT is a bait then.
vocal peak
but what about healing received?
is it only on my to survive or what should i do with my healers?
merry trout
hey, in m14, is 20k hps good or no
jagged pier
but what about healing received?
i mean sure your healers can do a bit more to u but as a warrior u should require very little healing compared to other tanks
your paladin on terros is doing about the same my paladin does to me but the other healers are doing much less than my other healers
but i do run into my evokers healing
when there isnt a slam
jagged pier
same as mine
vocal peak
so i think i actually do the same
jagged pier
no chance if they are doing that little
vocal peak
maybe i should take a little more care
onyx vessel
jagged pier
I am mostly copying the talents from sense. But BT is a bait then.
actually no simmed wrong 77 dps
to rage starve myself
yer i know what im taking
onyx vessel
Not worth at all
onyx vessel
77 dps to take more dmg
jagged pier
huge no no
dim token
Anyone has the website that tells you how much damage each ability do in m+, per level? I lost the bookmark
onyx vessel
huge no no
You try boon on council?
jagged pier
You try boon on council?
of u boon on council
onyx vessel
I wish i had one
jagged pier
jagged pier
🙅♂️
jagged pier
its boon
stuck basin
dont have to test my self but druid dont get out the root from boon with shapeshift so dont think so
merry trout
hey, what is this stairs skip ppl are talking abt in av?
undone verge
yes
but is bloodborne a dps increase compared to things like Impenatrable wall, or taking bloodsurge and insitgate🤔
jagged pier
well number 1 u dont take bloodsurge in ST u take instigate
and it is
but u dont drop survival for dps
dropping the wall is giga dumb
and as I do the same if not more than these ppl running BB
undone verge
talking ST and you already have instigate in this scenario
warm plinth
Taking Devastate is bad because you're already basically GCD locked. When would you press it
undone verge
Taking Devastate is bad because you're already basically GCD locked. When would...
instigate* not taking devistate would be the worst possible thing on the talent tree tbh
warm plinth
Well I meant not using devastator
undone verge
yeah
I'm talking about dropping indomitable and either taking double bloodborne or putting one into tough as nails and one into impenetrable wall, or maybe going 1 into tough as nails, one into bloodborne, and taking impenetrable wall
scenic mural
hey, what is this stairs skip ppl are talking abt in av?
You pretty much full clear up to second boss and it puts you at 100%, then you jump down mid after second boss onto third platform
harsh light
im curious, what trinkets are we using in keys to avg 60k in most dungeons? nao, nerf, lepan all biggusdiccus damage. Im not struggling with living most times so i needa change my 45-50kavg to those numbers
merry trout
You pretty much full clear up to second boss and it puts you at 100%, then you j...
ohhh, is there some MDT script available for this?
scenic mural
its not trinkets its play
harsh light
cap
they do 400k+ on full room tree trash, highest ive gotten os 250k
thats with ultimate potion, roar in avatar spaming tclap
scenic mural
u can literally look at what trinkets they are running
harsh light
i mean... obviously i dont or havent been able to see which they have used, hence why i asked if not answer the question or give advice why reply? especially when you say its play like you know how i play or something?
amber siren
what trinkets are you running when youre doing 250k?
harsh light
421 icon, and usually totem in aa, i dont have whet yet and boon sounds like death in there
shell mortar
i mean... obviously i dont or havent been able to see which they have used, henc...
Whetstone + X
Sometimes boon, sometimes totem or w/e they have available
harsh light
ok, was hoping someone didnt say ruby. passing up 421 whetstone was the biggest mistake ive ever made
slim dove
just go blast 2-7s courts
scenic mural
i mean... obviously i dont or havent been able to see which they have used, henc...
im not implying youre a bad player, im implying they are some of the best, and a trinket alone is not gonna boost you by 15k
shell mortar
Ruby whelp shell is ok on tyran, otherwise very meh
harsh light
im not implying youre a bad player, im implying they are some of the best, and a...
i apologize for taking it the wrong way then my guy
shell mortar
But by far the most popular trinket combo is whetstone and all-totem
scenic mural
all good bruv, ill be more specific next time
harsh light
why is totem so good? its meh imo, am i doing sonething wrong with it?
vivid sonnet
Is disrupting shout a good option this week with magic heavy dungeons?
shell mortar
But totem is good because it just does everything and.has good numbers
shell mortar
Is disrupting shout a good option this week with magic heavy dungeons?
Yes
amber siren
Is disrupting shout a good option this week with magic heavy dungeons?
for specific encounters ideally, it needs the mob to be casting to interrupt so unless you have something specific in mind it's tough to get good value out of the pick
harsh light
is there a wa for that trink yet? to know which stance your in
amber siren
there'll be plenty on wago
harsh light
ive tried 2... they did nothing lol
vivid sonnet
Does the stop spellcasting get through? Even if it didnt interrupt them
amber siren
No, it's not a silence
vivid sonnet
Aah okay
merry trout
Hey, does anyone have a video of the stairs skip in av? joined like 2 grps so far and ppl wanted to do that
split stratus
On trashes after the first boss in SBG, some melee sometimes get autohit by the mob even if I have the aggro. Do you guys know what's happening here ?
warm plinth
On trashes after the first boss in SBG, some melee sometimes get autohit by the ...
Dominator aggro = add aggro
blazing condor
Hey, does anyone have a video of the stairs skip in av? joined like 2 grps so fa...
merry trout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVv2OXGUKrY
ty
upbeat pine
I'm hesitating between crafting Primal Longsword or Unstable Frostfire belt (without socket for now), both 418. Currently I have Cutlass (408) and Greatbelt of Alpha Dominance (408). Raidbots says Longsword give me more DPS (screen), but I'm not sure how much should I rely on it. What would be better choice?
strong forum
Weapon
modest grove
Warriors, what is the best enchant for primal molten shield?
toxic pewter
You can’t enchant shields
stark furnace
Crit haste or haste vers
modest grove
Ty
sick sentinel
best weapon type for prot warrior other than the shield ? Mace, axe or sword ? is there any difference ?
round pendant
no difference
sterile bough
sword looks the best
sweet summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVv2OXGUKrY
wtf is this dark tech
round pendant
What the fuck?
warm plinth
That's not even a new tech though? That's just the frog skip
blazing condor
wtf is this dark tech
dragon parkour
round pendant
My pugs would never be able to handle those whelp packs
so it's written off immediately
blazing condor
you have to pull literally everything up until that point to skip
sweet summit
That's not even a new tech though? That's just the frog skip
it's new to me 👴
sweet summit
minigame tech who cares 
blazing condor
truege
sun will explode in a few billion years why should i care about anything tbh
amber siren
You don't need the 5 pack before the rings if you pull the 2 breakers at the books, but that's about it
vivid sonnet
So does everyone run battlestance in m+?
vivid sonnet
Ah okay
round pendant
please don't give shit advice
vivid sonnet
I am currently 385 running 15s
vivid sonnet
But i am running battle stance till mobs drop to enragwd
To survive the extra dmg wirh mitigation up?
vivid sonnet
Aha
sterile bough
bird boss on aa
vivid sonnet
Ooh okay
sweet summit
sun will explode in a few billion years why should i care about anything tbh
too real
round pendant
Ooh okay
You should only use dstance for scary tankbusters (certain trash packs count on fort week). Yes as the keys get higher you'll use it more but you should still be in bstance for the majority of the time. Get the stance toggle macro from the pins
gusty stone
heya, what stats should i throw on my lariat? haste vers or haste crit?
gusty stone
thanksy :3
potent harbor
good day guys what is this week best route for AA around 22?
i dont know if start vex or tree,
sterile bough
no1 knows what is the best rotue
im doing that
this week
u can take double on vex there depending on ur team comp cds/ccs
potent harbor
and first pull isnt it risky? im usually killing first 3 flies and then big?
but i guess depends if u have evoker with mass dispel right
potent harbor
btw how u avoid that back ebfore ands after vex?
if no rog, one invis pot and second?
noble wyvern
Best WA for SB/SR in like AV?
rough egret
sword looks the best
Mace FTW
rough egret
Someone was saying that Fury is
wispy canopy
In SL Fury was the easiest, idk about DF
potent harbor
@sterile bough used ur route and timed aa +2 on 21 😄
sterile bough
potent harbor
like i killed pack 16 on stairs, went for door pack and looked on eprcentage and was like hey we have 100
olive totem
did you have tipps and tricks for the agatha challenge?
mental scarab
@sterile bough what spicy rout did you have for AA? i go vex and skip the mobs from that boss and to bird and just get the % before last boss
potent harbor
@sterile bough actually ur route was so good that i got team instantly from it for 22 keys 😄
well i mean i amde some personal changes in that but ye 🙂
sterile bough
big puntos incoming
potent harbor
mmm ye maybe maybe 🙂
mental scarab
@sterile bough thanks!
mild river
Hey guys. When the "battle-scarred veteran" procs does it show in your UI? Mine doesn't. I don't use much addons
potent harbor
but hmm i think is till not do enough dmg, especially in aa, i did 60k overall(was aa 20 or 21) with that nice stacking route, basically no chain, can u tell me whats wrong or is it fine?
sending talents/auras/abilities i had in that aa
just flame me to death if u find anything sussy
blazing condor
easier if you have a log
potent harbor
how can i send it?
blazing condor
link it from warcraftlogs
sweet summit
Hey guys. When the "battle-scarred veteran" procs does it show in your UI? Mine ...
it only shows as a buff on your buff bar
blazing condor
is BSV still bugged
sweet summit
yae
blazing condor
cringe
mild river
what do u mean by bugged? it doesn't work?
blazing condor
what do u mean by bugged? it doesn't work?
"-"Battle-Scarred Veteran" procs pre-mitigation without actually falling to 30% or below. Already procs at 60% hp"
blazing condor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DKZW2Td4Y9rxXP7t#fight=4&type=damage-done&s...
yep 👍
mild river
"-"Battle-Scarred Veteran" procs pre-mitigation without actually falling to 30% ...
thank you!
lofty widget
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DKZW2Td4Y9rxXP7t#fight=4&type=damage-done&s...
revenge more, IP more (to prevent overcapping)
blazing condor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DKZW2Td4Y9rxXP7t#fight=4&type=damage-done&s...
i just skimmed your log but you can cast revenge way more often than you do 6 casts per minute is low. You also wasted a lot of rage meaning you need to dump more
low lodge
is there a Pwarr ability that groups mobs together? i thought there was one where you throw your weapon and it brings them together
blazing condor
dump more rage into revenge/IP and the dps will solve itself cus of more revenge casts and also more avatars through anger management
blazing condor
is there a Pwarr ability that groups mobs together? i thought there was one wher...
ye thats the spear of bastion but we dont run that
nothing that "forces" mobs together
potent harbor
i see so more ip revenge more avatrs more revenge dmg buff
low lodge
ahhh yeah ok
sick sentinel
i just skimmed your log but you can cast revenge way more often than you do 6 ca...
younknow, i think we couls just rename prot channel to this, and it would solve all the new playees issue
potent harbor
should it be always ss revenge tc ss revenge tc no matter avatar is on or off?
i mean aoe
sick sentinel
cuz i swear we have had that same discussion with a trillion other ppl since bfa when i joined
sick sentinel
and was same argument used on me then and until now too
potent harbor
oke oke, i dont even know why im not spamming revenge more lol
guess im prioritizing ss proc or dont know
low lodge
ye thats the spear of bastion but we dont run that
ok thank you.
sick sentinel
i swear everyone new that comes in we tell them you died because you didnt hit enough buttons fast enough and didnt dump your rage into ip sb, revenge, bqlocks were low too
lofty widget
your SS casts are also a bit low cause youre not getting resets from revenge
potent harbor
aha okay okay
upbeat pine
Is this first trinket more valuable to use than ruby's one? Even if it has lower ilvl
amber siren
no
amber siren
depends what you train it for, it's just average in comparison to other options
but easy to be an option when a lot of tank trinkets are bad
rugged mural
Can I get some advice on HoV route for 20s? I've been skipping packs in the main hallway and pickup up bears/wolves near Fenryr but going over time. Seems that bears/wolves are too slow because you either can't pull big (wolves) or need to kite (bears). How much of the main hallway do you guys pull?
south zealot
i PERSONALLY pull everything in the main hallway besides the 3 pack in the middle and the back 2 sentinels
i pick up 5 bears
and 5 wolves
this isn’t what most people do though
deft hinge
pull bog with wolfes and let range stay on top of fence, no charging from wolfes
rugged mural
on top of fence? Like the rails on the bridge?
deft hinge
close to the first 2 wolfes on the right side when encountering fenryr second time, towards the cliff
round pendant
prepare to wipe if one person fucks it up
deft hinge
i pull all the wolfes in area even on this raging week and we kill em like cookie-dow, but yes, theres little space for error.
hasty geyser
Hi boys. currently starting my first 20s runs, is ok to drop shieldblock sometimes for the seek of more damage spaming other spender¿, or droping it is never an option. my uptime on shieldblock is usually around 98 to 99% according to details
sick sentinel
isn't there cheese on pulling 5 wolfs like you stun then right as they go to leap, and then its wasted and they cant do it
then group just groups up close enough that they cant leap, and you like focus 1-2 down so they dont buff up
round pendant
Hi boys. currently starting my first 20s runs, is ok to drop shieldblock sometim...
never drop shieldblock
sick sentinel
I don't know how the rules are written for MDI, but i think that if one of the teams has everyone together has the jelly fish mind mount, whatever it is, bfa i think, its the super secret mount, anyways,
anyone who participated together,, can join that other players jelly fish and the other player taxis them, i think you can do this up to 5 players
round pendant
And more important than shield block uptime is the % of actual blocked hits, check your damage taken tab on wcl
tiny trellis
i just switched to arms last night. can grinding dungeons as a tank still get you useable gear for fury/arms and a raiding dps build?
sick sentinel
so, what im getting at is, in MDI, RtWF, more in MDI, you could see teams have all 5 players together have use of that mount and whoever knows exactly where to run pilots it
you could split it up into 2 jelly fish for some reason, the possible time saving plays that could be done would bust times wide open.
round pendant
i just switched to arms last night. can grinding dungeons as a tank still get y...
yes, just set your loot spec to the relevant ones
onyx agate
Back at it again with question, is the whetstone a viable option fully upgraded? I’ve got a 418 blazebinder hoof and a shitty 411 Spiteful storm trinket.mitigation isn’t an issue, I’m trying to raise my damage output at this point. Getting a grief torch has been near impossible
shut spoke
is there an optimal amount of haste for prot?
fallow nova
@onyx agate lot of folks on here swear by whetstone for prot
onyx agate
is there an optimal amount of haste for prot?
I thought it was 30 before diminishing returns
jagged pier
is there an optimal amount of haste for prot?
40% unbuffed
fallow nova
I personally love it
blazing condor
Back at it again with question, is the whetstone a viable option fully upgraded?...
whestone is really good yeah - but you should sim
shut spoke
thanks... struggling to get there
shut spoke
i wont get there?
jagged pier
I dont think u can with current gear
onyx agate
Dig it all thanks
round pendant
4.2k haste 
true thicket
is barbaric training that trash?
jagged pier
yes
jagged pier
yes
true thicket
not a big fan of intim shout
tropic tangle
it's still useful
round pendant
ye actually saved me so many times
true thicket
is the damage increase to revenge from barb training even noticable?
atomic nest
So alittle newer to prot warrior what’s y’all’s favorite aoe threat openers on large large packs other than the big 2 minute cd sometimes I feel like I have a little trouble with large insta aoe threat
round pendant
Is this about right for the start of CoS this week?
Or are those kinda big pulls for fort raging 🤔
Don't want to do no skips or anything
cloud umbra
i skip the inside of pull 4.. double enraging jumping mana sabers are nasty
round pendant
yeah everyone butt pulls it tho
cloud umbra
ya it sucks. its so easy to skip and yet so easy to butt pull haha
round pendant
also til the charged smash heals mobs that are in it?
tropic tangle
charged smash doesn't heal mobs
scenic mural
Charging station does
tropic tangle
^
stiff gate
Is this about right for the start of CoS this week?
Don’t pull extra manasabers in pulls 3 or 4. Combine those into one pull without either saber pack (construct, sentry, guard, 2 groups of worms).
Pretty much every mob in the dungeon is less dangerous than mana sabers
hollow bane
Hey, Is there a Special Build as dps Build?
rough egret
Fastest way to lvlup new char ? Dungeons should be okay right? 🙂
round pendant
wait for timewalking week
hollow bane
Is timewalk faster than random dungeon q?
rough egret
I dont enjoy this week for pushing keys 😄 my vault is cooked so i might lvlup pally
tropic tangle
my keys started rough this week, but did a 19 RLP and 20 NO that both felt pretty free
thinking I can prob knock out most of the rest of my portals
acoustic root
Did a 19 RLP, first pull with lust, wasn’t able to clear thundering, got stunned… my fault 🫥
tropic tangle
oof, rough
feel like you get through the first boss and it's pretty ok
you can take the ring trash pretty safely and still be fine on time
tropic tangle
I try to go early this week, it's already hectic
but quaking can put you in a bad spot for it
deft mortar
Tanks shouldnt bother with thundering at all idk
We always get the same mark first of al
and there are frontals
acoustic root
Just turn them into dps 😂
deft mortar
DPS and Healer can always cleari t among themselves no?
tropic tangle
yeah they can
acoustic root
They do
tropic tangle
whether they do or not is a diff story
deft mortar
I recall my druid healer running to me in catform in Azure 21 and getting hit obliterated by shards
kekw
acoustic root
I feel more like a Last Resort for clearing
deft mortar
I may intervane and leap back
acoustic root
But of dps starts blaming for that, i feel 🤮
deft mortar
ye
"why u running from me omg"
Cuz I dont want u to get hit by Vexamus frontal brother
round pendant
I cry
tropic tangle
you gotta have some low hanging fruit there for 2400
acoustic root
"why u running from me omg"
😂😂
round pendant
I fucked up on CoS just now
zoned out and forgot about potential enforcer spawn
we killed it and no wipe but
lost like 3 mins
tropic tangle
ahh
acoustic root
Did cos this week and i am surprised about the different possibilities to get extra trash pulled
We must have had 200%
tropic tangle
yeah the front side can be a total shitshow
round pendant
kinda low dps on my team but everyone knew the strats, they were good
I just wasted so much time with that one mistake
hollow bane
Can Someone Post pug easy cos Route? Want to get my First 10 run done?
tropic tangle
on a 10 you can basically just press W, nothing special needed realy
acoustic root
True
deft mortar
raging shadowsash may still one shot
acoustic root
There is trash everywhere
round pendant
I like my route
deft mortar
i do need a good cos route too
got a cos 22
How I been doing it I keep getting shit by patrol
But just slap them anyway cuz phatt gear
tropic tangle
you running the stealth skip? I found that pretty enjoyable
deft mortar
dont even know what that is brother
tropic tangle
or are you talking the Talixae area? because that shit totally depends on enforcer spawn points / what clickies you get
after first boss someone with stealth can get past the construct, everyone else doubles back and pulls docks
once they get to the demon area, the 2 constructs near docks die and the gate opens
sick sentinel
MDI is live
harsh light
is intervene not working on fenryr anymore?
sick sentinel
gross, already 8 m healing from sanguini in MDI first boss not even dead
zinc shale
Is haunting gaze a targeted frontal on me as tank, or can you walk out of it ?
just tested it myself, its a goddamn missileseeking frontal
slim dove
targetted, unavoidable.
zinc shale
I guess you can reflect it ?
zinc shale
for fucking real?
zinc shale
i mean deflect
slim dove
no deflect either.
zinc shale
christ on a bike
slim dove
treat it like an unavoidable void slash
stark jewel
deft mortar
I reflected a 1M dark claw this week
mfs go raging and kill themselves
kekw
ugh gotta file taxes
shadow wagon
which dungeons would you run spell block?
balmy canyon
For M+ should I run, 415 Decoration of Flame or 408 Totem of the Master?
languid light
Totem
frozen rose
do raid boss and..just trash...still parry from the front at times? I always face crap away from raid/party when possible, more out of habit tho at this point
deep spruce
For M+ should I run, 415 Decoration of Flame or 408 Totem of the Master?
What's your 2nd trink
zinc shale
how often do you guys use def stance in m+?
lavish oracle
more often this week than usual but still not that often
zinc shale
jade has been the only place thus far where i feel i need it xd
lavish oracle
Yeah, I did a 21 jade earlier this week and I turned it on when spellblock fell off on the last pack
slow harbor
Jade, tyrannical boss bleeds usually
lavish oracle
and once Shield wall fell off I went back to battlestance and hard kited because I wouldn't live being hit by raging dark claw anyways
I think I ended up using it in Algethar a fair amount this week
just because big pulls + raging
end of the tree pull, end of the bridge pull, end of the 6 echoknight pull
signal ivy
I just got a helm from m+ with leech and a socket, can upgrade to 415. but i have 424 Mythic Raz helm from vault
is it worth it or nah
lofty widget
the 424 helm is worth yes
lusty tiger
That’s rather rude of them
wheat ore
Is two stacks of shield wall the play these days fellas?
lusty tiger
Is two stacks of shield wall the play these days fellas?
For what?
wheat ore
Fair 👍🏻
zinc shale
Yeah TJS has been the worst imo so far, and im currently only tanking 17-18s at 400 ilvl
deep spruce
Yeah first was nerfed considerably tbf
sterile bough
but hmm i think is till not do enough dmg, especially in aa, i did 60k overall(w...
think u need to be more aware of how u use thunderclap
despite having almost the sam amount of casts I daelt 7m more dmg with it
deep spruce
Then tell him how, rather than just that he needs to be more aware
sterile bough
well the range is pretty small
also abusing violent outburst on aoe
on tc not ss
and thats with 100% def stance
jagged pier
Well u should only us it on tc on 5 or more targets
jagged pier
Its not really and its not always about damage ots mpre rage from SS
I can tell from that breakdown u arent pressing SS at all,
sterile bough
we already have way too much rage
jagged pier
Then your playing wrong
sterile bough
ye cause I dont need to
slim dove
sterile bough
I mean I have option to deal 20k dmg with a spell or 50k
slim dove
here we go ☕
sterile bough
why'd I chose 20k
jagged pier
I dont know about u but my ss hits for 80kish with out burst
And 200k or higher with a crit
So
🤷
sterile bough
ye with
mighty valley
also on lower targets even if tc starts to do more damage, it's still worth to get more rage for more outbursts
lusty tiger
I would expect there to be a factor in the mob threshold based off how many bloodsurge procs you’ll be getting
zinc shale
I dont know about u but my ss hits for 80kish with out burst
Im not sure thats happening my guy
Note, im just 400 ilvl but i bet even 20 more ilvl wouldnt take it to normal hitting 80k
without burst
lusty tiger
Zzz
zinc shale
likely fullstacked ss buff sure
jagged pier
Yes like i said
sterile bough
sterile bough
chill 80k
mighty valley
he said with outburst
mighty valley
anyway the original dude was trying to do better dps on algethar plants so yeah obv outburst tc there
also that guy was asking for advice 6 hours ago
jagged pier
But also just to add the extra rage from ss can be spend on revenge with outburst so u need to calc the ss hit plus the revenges u get from it
Which is why its 5+ targets
Its not a 1-1 compare om abilites
twin comet
Is the fastest way to get 400+ ilvl on a new alt to just run m+ for valor and upgrade?
zinc shale
yep
itll take you at least 2-3 weeks to get 400 ilvl unless you're super fucking lucky with drops
twin comet
I got to 390 pretty quick and have been stuck there for a week. I can tank in the 15 range now though
mighty valley
valor farming also gets you infusions for your crafted stuff
zinc shale
390 and above is more or less valor farming and/or looting 400~ ilvl items from m+
twin comet
I played enhance to 415 and it was a vault waiting game to get and 410 pieces
strong forum
i got to 403 ilvl in 3 days of playing on my alt
twin comet
Above
strong forum
but i also did like 30 keys
thick finch
wtf, i think i just saw a prot warrior in MDI using storm boon & moving??
zinc shale
i got to 403 ilvl in 3 days of playing on my alt
yeah thats luck
i was stuck with 363 chest/head for like 2 weeks
strong forum
thats just you not doing enough keys
zinc shale
5-6 per day xD
strong forum
2 weeks without any item in those slots
lavish oracle
I mean you can hit 1400 rating pretty fast and just valor upgrade gear, no?
strong forum
is beyond unlikely
but im not gonna deny
that my prevoker is lucky
having a leech whetstone
tepid raptor
Man what route do you use for AV?
I'm pulling a route where we do great dps, we got 100 k per dps
in overall
we wiped on platforms
but still we got 13 mins when we're at 3rd boss?
tepid raptor
Yes, we doing the skip
im not sure if 13 min is good before 2nd boss. we still had 2nd boss platform to clear
frozen rose
i always have sad council logs. comparing someone did good, they have maybe 20 more revenges than me. TC are about the same. And I had nearly 30 more casts of shield slam. Am I missing something for AOE? We using Violent procs on thunder calp and not SS? Prioritize revenge over everything?
thick finch
wait, 13m before telash or 13m before azureblade?
you wrote 3rd boss then 2nd boss
13m before telash is well ahead of where you need to be
technically if you're doing the skip, 13m before azureblade isn't bad
you drop down, fight the two breakers and you're right at telash
zinc shale
2 weeks without *any* item in those slots
fulltime job, doing keys after work
exclusively keys that drops those items
with plate ppl
im unlucky
lavish oracle
that is incredibly unlucky
lavish oracle
13 minutes for 3 bosses and a single trash pull?
seems fine
especially for a fort week
lavish oracle
anyone else kinda hate the frog skip route, though?
slim dove
i was stuck with 363 chest/head for like 2 weeks
craft them...
lavish oracle
saving sparks for non-tier slots, probably
zinc shale
craft what?
zinc shale
yes if they would be kind enough to give me those items 😄
twin comet
anyone else kinda hate the frog skip route, though?
Frog skip is awesome
cinder storm
anyone else kinda hate the frog skip route, though?
Frog is free %, other routes require better coordination, my route only requires the first frog room and the ones down the stair without going into other room
twin comet
Two big pulls for the DPS to feel like big dawgs and you 2/3 chest it
twin comet
Is there a way to range the frontal from the rock guys thoug
cinder storm
You can los it no?
cinder storm
I stopped pulling the 4 ones with the big add plus whelps, it was too much for dps
zinc shale
paladin healers
slim dove
yeah the 4 + big is the rough one, nobody has CDs after first boss
and big guy forcing movement is yikes
cinder storm
Yeah, I've seen dorki position adds against the wall then he los on that semi pillar that comes out of the wall right next to the pack
I think it works but haven't tried it myself
tacit coyote
can someone post the AA buff sim string? (please reply to this message so that i don't miss it)
cinder storm
I've been having issues with wolves in hov, pillar has a 50% chance of working
Any specific rules range have to follow?
slim dove
ive been dpsing last 2 weeks and haven't seen any issues
i did rip threat once tho and die before i could press dbts
round pendant
What's the most cost effective things to upgrade with valor?
rings cloaks and trinkets?
dry kayak
Rings from a per valor point to stat gain perspective
zinc shale
probably just this paladin healer, but in a 17 AA
for real
was struggling so fucking much
languid light
on tree boss in AA, at which point do you have to generate threat to grab the little guys?
mighty valley
whenever is fine, the sketchy part is the 2nd set that gets activated almost immediately
never really had a problem if they're well grouped and i use a pot though
languid light
just lost 2 people to it
velvet lichen
on tree boss in AA, at which point do you have to generate threat to grab the li...
Rotate ravager + thunderous roar with mass taunt
thick finch
on tree boss in AA, at which point do you have to generate threat to grab the li...
you could throw a ravager down and hit challenging shout
languid light
yeah, I used Ravager there, but I might have mistimed
thick finch
its okay to pop it a second or two early
languid light
first round was fine with Challenging, second one I lost people
lofty widget
they reset aggro after the upheavel thing
mighty valley
ravager isn't a burst CD so it's not gonna be enough alone if the dps is popping off
lofty widget
can shockwave as they activate, buys you a global or 2
mighty valley
if you know in advance you're gonna last to 2 sets, i'd use pot on one and aoe taunt on the other
also the team rotating aoe cc is good, yeah
tame jasper
can shockwave as they activate, buys you a global or 2
Thats what i do too. Rarely seeing monks putting a ring to protect grp oder o
signal ivy
Can someone link thier build for Nok this week? If someones feelin charitable, having a hard time timing
21+ keys if that matters
zinc shale
what is it with healers matching the tank hps, meanwhile the group is struggling to stay alive
grave wedge
any tips for the last pack in jade temple. i dont fully understand dark claw besides it fucking hurts
sterile bough
Can someone link thier build for Nok this week? If someones feelin charitable, h...
ur builds dont matter tho wheater u time the key or not ;s
sick sentinel
too many dps taking dmg at once, or you are not mitigating hard enough, or healer is doing something wrong
zinc shale
any tips for the last pack in jade temple. i dont fully understand dark claw bes...
asked that before too. run double wall, stun/reflect/demo to reduce dmg
sick sentinel
if 3 people constantly require healing, dungeon goes to shit fast
(raid not included)
zinc shale
too many dps taking dmg at once, or you are not mitigating hard enough, or heale...
was like the first big pull in AA
then the boss as well
sick sentinel
also the hps you do, is you spefic healling, 98% of it
mighty valley
what're you spell blocking in NO
grave wedge
can you avoid darkclaws damage like a void slash or is it just really something you have to be leap distance from
sick sentinel
its you sustaining your self with IP and IV and other heals
zinc shale
can you avoid darkclaws damage like a void slash or is it just really something ...
outrange 20 yards
mighty valley
also double wall does not seem worth there
honestly once i've done my big reflect and my CDs are done i'm outta that pack, byyeeeeee
grave wedge
kk so its a charge in shout and leap out scenario
zinc shale
also the hps you do, is you spefic healling, 98% of it
sure, but theres some group damage as well, so having the healer match your healing done within the first pull in the first room and/or boss in AA is not right as a healer
no matter how you put it xd
slim dove
not really
group dmg can be low as fuck and you sustain yourself just fine, so healer doesn't actually do much if any healing.
zinc shale
okay lets think for a second before yet again commenting
zinc shale
theres a lot of group damage in the first room in AA
slim dove
the skitterlings, thats it.
zinc shale
Did you forget the flies?
slim dove
unless you mean elementals, if so they shouldn't be getting surge casts off anyways.
those are the flies bud.
zinc shale
exactly and they rage up
slim dove
yeah and theres
lemme think
3 of them
6 if your ballin out
not really that much group dmg.
zinc shale
enough for the healer to be way above the tank in hps either way
which is the whole goddamn point
fresh wharf
Ok - honest feedback - how bad is leaning into Shockwave for M+ over Roar? I really like the Avatar/Shockwave crit synergy, and just being able to stun packs every 20s feels very valuable (IE imps in Court)
mighty valley
less overall damage, and forces you to use shockwave on CD for damage which can mean screwing over the group with stun DR
between normal shockwave CD, intimidating shout, and the rest of your group, you should be fine for aoe stops on things like imps\
sick sentinel
when did we decide all the dungeons gotta be on some strict time limit
fresh wharf
Guess one can get Shockwave without the CD reduction, for the DR issue mentioned, but then also snag Roar
mighty valley
the standard m+ build gets shockwave, yeah
sick sentinel
the timer count down drives me nuts and makes me not like running mythic +
mighty valley
but roar + thunderous words is worth a lot more than shockwave damage talents