because rogue
#protection
slim dove
paper nexus
The Bash is so easy to dodge
deft mortar
kekw
best thing is u cant get chained with bash
Cuz getting hit by one dodges the rest
xd
crystal mauve
"You have leech, no need healer" Proceed to look at the 5% leech on my hunter... Well, that's going to be fun
paper nexus
Hunters are notoriously bad in high keys
paper nexus
Squishy galore
slim dove
bm is "ok" but marks flops
plush tendon
self aware
plush tendon
its not really a spec thing
slim dove
bm is absurd in raid ST rn
plush tendon
its a class thing
slim dove
and the lack of self sustain isn't as big an issue in raid
in m+ we have giga unavoidable damage
paper nexus
Dmg is good, defensive wise they suck
plush tendon
they still flop
doing Broodkeeper; hunters just... die sometimes
granted lots of damage, but hunters always first to go
then the dragussy
deft mortar
DHs out there
casually doing 15k HPS
sustaining*
whats a DBM safe mark to put on myself?
crystal mauve
whats a DBM safe mark to put on myself?
What are you talking about?
deft mortar
dbm auto marks interrupt mobs
plush tendon
Square?
crystal mauve
Whatever color you like best? I don't know, it shouldn't matter, people with eyes should see where the mobs are facing tbh
Use whatever color will not be removed by your automarker
plush tendon
Its not a terrible idea to mark yourself though; even if they should know, making things easier is always a +
crystal mauve
Its not a terrible idea to mark yourself though; even if they should know, makin...
I do mark myself as red often as this is the thundering color for tanks this season anyway
slim dove
i stopped marking myself a while ago
oblique quarry
How big are you guys pulling in HoV this week? I am working my way up to 2500 and can't seem to get a run without people dying to casts and cleaves for HoV. I was told I need to do double and tripple pulls but haven't bothered because people keep dying to single pulls.
plush tendon
what key level are you doing?
paper nexus
Everything until first boss is an easy one
oblique quarry
trying an 18 right now
rose cobalt
It helps to have somebody like a druid or rogue that can deal with the enrage. Really easy week to chain pull
plush tendon
trying an 18 right now
a straight W route and youll time
rose cobalt
The first triple pull just mark the thunder mobs and slowly walk backwards
plush tendon
also, on the triple pull I would recommend CCing one of the thundercallers
and bringing it in later
tropic tangle
that's helpful on fort yeah
plush tendon
but for a 18, there is no reason to take unnecessary risks;
reef holly
Just got yelled at from dps to stop kiting the Void slash in a 19 SMBG
oblique quarry
lol
paper nexus
Just tank it omegalul
reef holly
BRO
reef holly
it was a fellow warrior as well
muted spoke
does anyone has a decent MRT profile to track aoe ccs of the party?
oblique quarry
but for a 18, there is no reason to take unnecessary risks;
alrighty, will still keep trying the triple pull but keep it staggered
tropic tangle
alrighty, will still keep trying the triple pull but keep it staggered
honestly at 18, you can split it up
plush tendon
then next 4
tropic tangle
if your DPS aren't awful the timer should not be an issue
reef holly
So this dps is telling me, prot warrior has all the mitigation tools/cds to be able to deal with void slash without kiting
plush tendon
So this dps is telling me, prot warrior has all the mitigation tools/cds to be a...
dont listen to them
use your CDs and dip
lusty tiger
So this dps is telling me, prot warrior has all the mitigation tools/cds to be a...
not on fort week
they live too long
plush tendon
dont fuck around with dumb dps
round pendant
"Kill it faster so that's true"
crystal mauve
So this dps is telling me, prot warrior has all the mitigation tools/cds to be a...
You can face tank it if you have Spell block available*
plush tendon
and if a pug keeps arguing with you, just leave
lusty tiger
on tyr week you can swave->sr->sw->fear/stormbolt
reef holly
Man- Iโm trying to explain, he has 500 io as tank this season
plush tendon
give em a CY@
slim dove
dont bother explaining
complete dungeon
say gg
leave
0 point explaining to remedial dps that void slash is kinda overtuned in comparsion to the rest of the dungeon
amber siren
Yep, arguing is just pointless
reef holly
Itโs weird because usually I donโt encounter these ppl in my pugs
slim dove
m8 ive had a healer bitch at me on last boss nok taunting to reflect conductive
reef holly
I thought ppl were good after level 17 ๐
plush tendon
I thought ppl were good after level 17 ๐
oh sweet summer child
slim dove
"save ur mdi shit strats for somewhere else"
lusty tiger
im in comms with tank and the boss immediately gets taunted back
this is important
plush tendon
the shitters never go away
lusty tiger
"save ur mdi shit strats for somewhere else"
jesus lol
reef holly
m8 ive had a healer bitch at me on last boss nok taunting to reflect conductive
That is a big brain move right there
lusty tiger
"save ur mdi shit strats for somewhere else"
moonguard player inc
plush tendon
thats not even a MDI strat XD
slim dove
finished 125k overall and buddy has the nerve to call me shit
lusty tiger
finished 125k overall and buddy has the nerve to call me shit
man i should try arms
slim dove
peaking 1mil dps on first pull hov ๐คท
oblique quarry
1 mil dps? lmao
tropic tangle
how's the playstyle for arms rn? last time I played it was like SL S2
round pendant
not as fun as legion
slim dove
giga fun
lusty tiger
sweeping strikes n mortal strike still?
slim dove
legion was still peak
oblique quarry
spin and cleave i think
slim dove
we rely on puzzle box but get past the cringe cast time by using it during avatar spin (in m+/council)
well not "rely" like UHDK does
but box still giga
tropic tangle
yeah, playing box on my havoc
at least there it's on your 3 min setup
so you're prepull boxing usually into your big burst window
lusty tiger
we rely on puzzle box but get past the cringe cast time by using it during avata...
u can do that????????????
man i have a 421 puzzle
oblique quarry
avatar or box first in the macro? does it not matter?
slim dove
avatar first
plush tendon
Farm AA or RLP.....
slim dove
you can get some insane levels of STR with hoof in raid
plush tendon
Id rather go to AA
plush tendon
Id rather farm 20s, at least until I have 8 boxes for the week
but then I have to do keys on the DK.... then Paladin.... then my new rat DH
slim dove
id rather not farm 20AA or 20RLP
plush tendon
eh, they aint that bad
deft mortar
nice
plush tendon
kind of fun imo
deft mortar
finally a 2.7k boy officially
deft mortar
am I good yet
plush tendon
big pumper
tropic tangle
gz buddy
plush tendon
tropic tangle
changes coming too
deft mortar
Arms Ret Ench would be sick ngl
slim dove
eh
slim dove
acid rain fucks
deft mortar
with just 2 deaths
plush tendon
Resto Shamans pump
deft mortar
So like
slim dove
i 100% simp for rsham now
deft mortar
Legit heart rate didnt go above 70 the entire run
tropic tangle
yeah, good stuff man
plush tendon
i 100% simp for rsham now
100%
tropic tangle
what was your old AA? you got giga score from that
plush tendon
trying to convince my guild's healers to start gearing them up
tropic tangle
lmao
deft mortar
Nooice key became CoS 22
slim dove
Nooice key became CoS 22
put me in coach
deft mortar
Just spell reflect and ez points
plush tendon
You mean dont facepull
I swear the only way that key flops is if people facepull extra shit
or dont interrupt the eyeball
deft mortar
Would CoS 22 bosses be equivalent to CoS 20 with Tyra?
tropic tangle
yup, or they're just braindead and eating frontals all day in first area
plush tendon
probably somewhere between a 19-20
slim dove
and pull the world
deft mortar
I love it so much
slim dove
dont ever do an enforcer on its own
dusty mica
but then I have to do keys on the DK.... then Paladin.... then my new rat DH
hits home lol
slim dove
nah skip docks, go usual route to boss, have stealth go open gate, go back and do docks
deft mortar
as a 2.7k boy I surely must have went up a couple ppl
dusky canopy
Dps roll should have to kick or stun a minimum of once a minute or they auto die and lose full durability
tropic tangle
Dps roll should have to kick or stun a minimum of once a minute or they auto die...
next seasonal affix
pandemonium in low keys
dusky canopy
Lazy fkers
dusky canopy
Iโm looking forward to a new seasonal affix
I hate that I get punished because others donโt clear
dusky canopy
NA is pretty lacking
deft mortar
bruh I am not even #1 in my server horde side
dusty mica
Boomy is a must in fortified ngl
as a feral main this hurts me lol
dusky canopy
Feral is always more reliable in high end keys
Itโs like when you land a feral you know theyโre a gamer
dusty mica
pulled 100k in AA last i ran an 18 
dusty mica
so screw that balance lol
slim dove
lots of fotm balance
deft mortar
Feral, WW, Rogue
slim dove
feral is mostly diehards
dusky canopy
Exactly
slim dove
similar to ret.
dusky canopy
When you get a feral or a ret with 2800 io
slim dove
tho with rework coming, tons of shit rets gonna be around
dusky canopy
They are good at their class
sick sentinel
did they hotfix hyrja thingy
dusty mica
They are good at their class
damn are there 2800 io ppl that are bad at their class? thats a rough one lol
deft mortar
Hyjra is the pug killer in HoV Tyra week ngl
median tulip
anyone know why the stance dance macro has stopped dynamically shifting tooltip?
dusky canopy
damn are there 2800 io ppl that are bad at their class? thats a rough one lol
Oh yeah youโd be amazed
sick sentinel
tried it a few times but just not working kinda
sick sentinel
tyranical hyrja is only the wall when dps cant avoid balls
tropic tangle
tyranical hyrja is only the wall when dps cant avoid balls
higher keys the lightning is dangerous
dusty mica
that storm ticks like 2x too many times
deft mortar
Just have 3 DHs brother
dusty mica
shits rough
dusky canopy
Itโs not impressive to be 2700-2800 with a team but I think itโs fair to say pugging that high solo is pretty decent
dusky canopy
At least in my eyes
slim dove
Itโs not impressive to be 2700-2800 with a team but I think itโs fair to say pug...
fair
pugging up to 2800 requires alot of patience.
and alot of burnt keys
deft mortar
Im 2.7k with only pugging, and they are all "Completion" runs
dusty mica
pugging as feral has been a chore lol ngl
dusky canopy
Trust me I know 
deft mortar
But I make the groups
dusty mica
just hitting 2500 now and its impossible to get into keys that would give me score
pugged my 19 cos and timedthat easy, but now a 20 HoV... idk bout that
dusky canopy
Itโs that part of the season where people only want you if youโre at or above the key level theyโre trying to do
Just the way it is
Climb faster next round
deft mortar
Ye my parameters been set at 415+ and 2.6k+ for weeks now
dusky canopy
Or run your own keys
peak bramble
Now is the time for guild rat keys
slim dove
pugged my 19 cos and timedthat easy, but now a 20 HoV... idk bout that
easy this week.
deft mortar
At this point past valor cap if ur not 415+ I dont think we'd have a good experience so
dusky canopy
20 hov you got that in the bag, worst part is if quaking overlaps hyrja lightning bubble
dusty mica
you can still spread properly inside the bubble, no?
dusky canopy
Yes you โcanโ
dusty mica
lol
dusky canopy
deft mortar
I had a resto druid heal trough 3 phases of lightning
fker was popping 80k spike HPS
slim dove
yup, had an rsham handle 3 phases
deft mortar
was np at all
dusky canopy
That should not happen this week at all
slim dove
bro was cracking out
dusty mica
I mean i have 2 untimed 19 HoVs so who knows what I'll get actually queueing up for it
dusky canopy
Unless like key level 26 lmao
deft mortar
prot palas dont care at all kekw
dusky canopy
Ohhh
slim dove
yeah ofc
dusky canopy
dusty mica
he can prob hit a flourish ramp every other storm, idk what you do for the second one. Tree of Life I guess?
daring marlin
DHs are all stupid
deft mortar
I think DKs are underrated ngl
slim dove
they arent.
daring marlin
DPS Warrior good too
deft mortar
Being prot warr I never invite dps warr
daring marlin
dstance if needed, sr, ip
slim dove
Being prot warr I never invite dps warr
rude
deft mortar
0 utility after me
deft mortar
im an eu slave
slim dove
:ech:
dusky canopy
Iโll invite war to my war keys
cinder storm
Feral, evoker, uhdk
dusky canopy
They can pump
deft mortar
if I was playing BDK or Prot Pala I'd invite a warr to every run tho
When will they give Warrs Bloostlust
Just add it to Colossus Smash kekw
dusky canopy
I canโt get into arms play style this patch
slim dove
its infinitely better then fury
dusky canopy
I hate thunderclapping and whirlwind on arms
dusty mica
is arms better than fury in m+? I went fury while i was trying to farm up some valor
slim dove
you dont like whirlwind hitting 4x 60k on 5 targets?
coral umbra
Damage seems crazy high for how low my ilvl is. 375 doing 35 k overall. Warrior is a blast
lusty tiger
@strong forum
slim dove
is arms better than fury in m+? I went fury while i was trying to farm up some v...
arms better with big pulls
dusky canopy
Arms pumps right now
deft mortar
meta is faster than chatgpt
dusty mica
ah ok so better on aoe in general? or just on those 7+ target pulls
slim dove
they are very close.
arms will be better at 1 thing but suffer a bit in the other
fury better at doing both at once
dusky canopy
you dont like whirlwind hitting 4x 60k on 5 targets?
Itโs not that I donโt like the damage itโs a keybind issue for me I have to bind things a certain way or it just doesnโt work in my brain
slim dove
(aoe and st)
deft mortar
I had an arms warr casually maintain >100k single target vs Wise Mari
Probs cus SR abuse
slim dove
yeah thats SR shit
dusky canopy
I liked arms when it was only MS op slam rend and the occasional bone grinder WW
Now itโs like to much extra shit not my flavor
slim dove
at 417 i sim 86k with pure ST build
deft mortar
I rly dig arms in classic
button every 6 sec
chill
Esp in pvp
MS delete ez
man im gonna miss perma WFH
should have known it was too good to be true
esp in banking..
cinder storm
With the looming recession prepare to sit at home
deft mortar
ye fkn feds
sick sentinel
amazon sent a package
slated for the 23rd, 22nd then say, oh its already delivered, on the 21st, while i was home, please return the item for a return..... i didnt get (item)......
sick sentinel
i hate talking to robots, dealing with returns, etc all of that. can't sand it
dusty mica
i hate talking to robots, dealing with returns, etc all of that. can't sand it
try a lower grit
lusty tiger
man it always makes me anxious
i would be too if i was getting my lunch money shaken out of my pockets by communist Trudeau
deft mortar
bruh how do u know im canadian
lusty tiger
bruh how do u know im canadian
u said
deft mortar
giga memory chad
daring marlin
you've mentioned it
daring marlin
something something play on eu despite living in canada
deft mortar
one day it will get to me
ye its pain
my prime time there is 0 ppl online in eu
except russians
lusty tiger
russians go ham tho
deft mortar
they dont talk
lusty tiger
ive played battlerite w them
deft mortar
and do giga dps
strong forum
<@192743144276623360>
half of that shit is still stuck in shadowlands
deft mortar
meta 2 fast for ai
lusty tiger
half of that shit is still stuck in shadowlands
yea they mention it doesnt have great data past 2021
deft mortar
ask it for ulduar lmaoo
dusty mica
ive played battlerite w them
damn that games fun but kind hard idk. I wanted to get into it
deft mortar
should be giga
lusty tiger
damn that games fun but kind hard idk. I wanted to get into it
best game- but now a dead game
dusty mica
its a great concept honestly
fun, easy enough to play and figure out, but similar to league where you need to know what everyones champion can do or else you gon get fucked
toxic pewter
Yah chatgpt literally states when you use it the data it uses is from pre-2021 so a lot of itโs answers are outdated
deft mortar
time to min max with chatgpt in classic wow
lusty tiger
time to min max with chatgpt in classic wow
deft mortar
make it an addon
DBM-GPT
Give it TTS
so it can yell at me instead my raid lead
ngl I cant play classic wow unless im high shits slow asf
lusty tiger
ngl I cant play classic wow unless im high shits slow asf
classic is zzz
lusty tiger
rippin blinkers and doin m+ is da wae
lusty tiger
almost got a tan IRL
i reflect light like a mirror and i live in florida
deft mortar
riight
lusty tiger
deft mortar
avg floridans day
lusty tiger
(not shown) she is killed by the gator
lusty tiger
yea i mean she watches it swim up to eat her dog and does nothing
deft mortar
well not me in canada
lakes be frozen rn
bruh probably was too tired to give a damn
or bad knees/hips
u legit cant move fast
tru she does stare for aw hile
lusty tiger
ye
deft mortar
wonder if ppl already made this about guns lmaoo
lusty tiger
u are certainly a conspirator
dusty mica
speaking of getting back on topic, any dungeons where taking spell block is a great idea?
tough as nails seems to do quite a bit of dam
stuck basin
spellblock is great in jade temple and ruby
lusty tiger
speaking of getting back on topic, any dungeons where taking spell block is a gr...
RLP-tyr, AV, high AA-tyr, high HOV-tyr, TJS
dusty mica
spell block only functions on targetted spells? not the lightning of hyrja type stuff right
lusty tiger
spell block only functions on targetted spells? not the lightning of hyrja type ...
check the sheet
stuck basin
it works for hyrja
lusty tiger
but there are many aoe effects that u can block
lusty tiger
oh didnt know there was a sheet, thanks
yea theres:
-spell reflect:
-reflects
-deflects
-just %DR
-spellblock:
-blockable
-not bloackable
lusty tiger
found it, nice
for a high tyr HOV you want it for the hyrja beam
and for a high tyr AA it can be handy on the tree boss poison and very handy on vexamus
dusty mica
lordy this is a lot of info lol. Might take some time to sink in
lusty tiger
lordy this is a lot of info lol. Might take some time to sink in
you just pick up the tech as you go
for most if it youll end up remembering because that mechanic was causing you trouble until you implemented some of these strategies
dusty mica
Yeah makes sense. I've never actually taken spell block
lusty tiger
Yeah makes sense. I've never actually taken spell block
things wont do damage to you really until +16s- then once you hit a little over 400ilvl it will feel that way until 20+ again
dusty mica
those mobs in NO on a 13 definitely smacked me around lol
but I've learned from it
otherwise it was a cakewalk
lusty tiger
those mobs in NO on a 13 definitely smacked me around lol
2nd boss zone?
lusty tiger
yea there is a lot of tech there for no reason
all in 1 zone:
cc every tempest
kick off cd
kite arcing
kite primalists
sr boss wind bolt
commanding 2nd or 3rd thunder storm phase
slim dove
can cheese entire pull by just hard ccing stormspeaker (tempest mob)
lusty tiger
can cheese entire pull by just hard ccing stormspeaker (tempest mob)
pugs dont really have eyes or hands
and the cooldown is just less than stormbolt iirc ):
dusty mica
dumb question, whats commanding?
slim dove
rallying cry
slim dove
boss is really simple for us
pull with throw + taunt, SR, charge. float outside for SR hits, dont touch orbs unless they're gonna hit boss
dusty mica
'float outside for SR hits' whats this mean
lusty tiger
it is a lot less simple for us than it is for other tank specs
deep spruce
pull with throw + taunt, SR, charge. float outside for SR hits, dont touch orbs ...
Or eat orbs and do bigger reflects.... I'm sure that's a thing
lusty tiger
but it is simple
slim dove
orbs shouldn't buff reflect dmg.
and also they have a bigger impact on your dps and healer.
solemn current
Or eat orbs and do bigger reflects.... I'm sure that's a thing
Damage amps on yourself don't scale the reflect. I believe the bosses purgable debuff might increase the SR damage though but I'm not certain of that answer. EDIT: Actually ignore this I think it's just his melee attacks that it buffs
deep spruce
'float outside for SR hits' whats this mean
Move off the boss to bait the 'tank moved out of range ability' ... spell reflect it, move back in insta
lusty tiger
'float outside for SR hits' whats this mean
when the tank leaves melee range he casts "wind bolt" which you can reflect for like 300k damage each- so you wanna walk out of melee range when u have about 1 second left on sr cooldown
dusty mica
so pull with throw and taunt from range, get SR up and stay at range to make him cast the reflectable spell? then do that when SR is coming off CD
he wont cast it otherwise?
slim dove
so if you just charge right in, sometimes he wont cast wind burst
you wanna get that first reflect asap
lusty tiger
so pull with throw and taunt from range, get SR up and stay at range to make him...
yea i just charge-taunt with sr up, then run out when sr is about to be up to sr charge back in again
slim dove
its giga damage.
lusty tiger
you should be able to get 2 before the first storm
and maaaaaybe 3 between the next ones
lusty tiger
you can do over 50k on that boss
heady gyro
Any warrior's rocking the alchemist stone trinket?
grim pilot
hi, which gem does the lariat proc? Illi diamond or the regular ones? Figured illi but wanted to ask anyway
coral umbra
Is there a limit with how much verse you want? I am at 17% with no procs
slow glacier
if i neither have grief or an 411 shield, should i loot diurna in tank or dps spec? what is more important/better?
coral umbra
I thought it was haste vers?
slim dove
vers vs crit is an endless debate here.
slim dove
if i neither have grief or an 411 shield, should i loot diurna in tank or dps sp...
dps spec
go craft a shield
coral umbra
Vers has been nice at low ilvl so far
slim dove
crit gives more mitigation over the length of a key, and more damage.
vers can save you from mistakes on tank killing mechanics
rough egret
Do I need a friend when catching frosty and fiery soul?
slow glacier
Do I need a friend when catching frosty and fiery soul?
nah you can do it easily solo, but if you have a friend its even more free^^
sick sentinel
no
its easy, capture it, don't open it if you want the soul, open it if you want a free primal fire/ice
rough egret
Bleeds can finish it right?
fallow nova
Yep
rough egret
During cast
rough egret
I just need to time it
coral umbra
How does crit make you more defensive
fallow nova
Parry
fallow nova
Oh yeah, ravager too
fallow nova
Guess I can redraft all my stuff
Unless you're the one doing it, that sounds like a lot of gold
sick sentinel
fucking amazon lol,
fallow nova
Once you get the first one, you'll see how easy it is
Not sure though, I have yet to recraft mine lol
sick sentinel
have to check the re-craft, its always less items
rough egret
Im gonna replace spikes on shield with FFbelt
fallow nova
Seems like a good decision
sick sentinel
first time you craft, it might want, 18 bars, and then next time i tiwll only want 4 bars of it
rough egret
As i finally got spark
fallow nova
My embellishments are lariat and belt
azure geyser
im using lariat and fang on wep...but thought about changing it but is belt worth it?
rough egret
Is better as it doesn require you to be smashed like for armor spikes
And it can proc rings
fallow nova
I have two fire rings so for me its nice
azure geyser
yea i dont have either ring and only m+ so i figured belt might not be worth it for me
deft mortar
I am a vers pumper
Although I dont make mistakes
So may consider switch
I mean obv i make mistakes just dont most of the time
fallow nova
The only mistake you made was pumping vers ๐
rough egret
I have M slot in vault, as i managed to pug 2 bosses ๐ copium for ring
fallow nova
It's gonna be your week lol
rough egret
Copium so big im crafting ffbelt infront
fallow nova
Hey, if I can FINALLY get whetstone on my first cos of the week, anyone can get anything
Logged over 50 runs in that place
slow glacier
I have M slot in vault, as i managed to pug 2 bosses ๐ copium for ring
nah you will get the cape like always, since mythic release i ALWAYS had a cape in my vault idk why... ๐ฆ
fallow nova
I will not tell you how i got my whetstone and ring ๐
Don't hurt me like that ๐
fallow nova
holding back tears
rose flicker
Hey, if I can FINALLY get whetstone on my first cos of the week, anyone can get ...
62 runs, whetstone on the last one and over 10ish melandrus rings
rose flicker
Thatโs 62 runs and 0 whetstones ever dropped for anyone else except for mine on the last one
buoyant tangle
Oof
tropic tangle
no whetstone for me, Hunger of the Pack gamer now
got the ring super early at 385 tho
rose flicker
I was a soccer player + hunger of the pack gamer for the longest time
tropic tangle
got heroic all totem first kurog kill tho, so at least there's that
lavish copper
why do we have rend talented in the m+ build if we never use it?
tropic tangle
why do we have rend talented in the m+ build if we never use it?
I believe in u
You can read some other talents and find it out
tawny badger
why do we have rend talented in the m+ build if we never use it?
Blood and thunder
tawny badger
Always use TC to apply rend
lavish copper
Yep, was following the wowhead rotation so i was doing it right without knowing why xD
weak valve
Hey guys, question im new to prot and was wondering what ideal haste % for dungeons is
mighty valley
there's no magic breakpoint, just get ilvl upgrades and use haste as a tiebreaker
uneven mason
Whatever comes in your highest ilvl stuff really
weak valve
Im fully geared 417
uneven mason
Use that
uneven mason
Ok
mighty valley
if you're not above 40% haste completely unbuffed you're fine
tawny badger
Whatโs ur haste currently
weak valve
Im 23% right now
tawny badger
What about other secondaries ?
weak valve
uneven mason
Sims lean towards mastery anyway
mighty valley
i think that's often because people arrive at the sim after trying to avoid mastery at all costs
uneven mason
Maybe
weak valve
Ill see what dropimizer tells me
uneven mason
weak valve
Btw im running windscars, maybe thats why my mastery seems high
slim dove
Those stats are wildin
amber siren
crit block is giga
slim dove
Haste/crit so I can play arms instead
balmy canyon
In court are the people in the puzzle area always in the same spots? Like is a male, with a hat, book and potion always be in the same location?
toxic pewter
Need more mastery
tardy plaza
Nah verse!
trim bay
to much harry potter son
uneven mason
Nah verse!
cinder storm
Is that with itf?
lavish oracle
In court are the people in the puzzle area always in the same spots? Like is a m...
I want to say no but I've never actually thought to check
tulip kelp
Is that with itf?
No ITF
cinder storm
Damn
warm plinth
In court are the people in the puzzle area always in the same spots? Like is a m...
No it's randomized.
cinder storm
sacred remnant
debating between whetstone and scale
whats everyone opinion
with puzzle box as main
uneven mason
That's with ITF
tulip kelp
Nevermind I didn't have stance up lol
true thicket
Is having 4 piece bonus a huge difference?
true thicket
cause this week i been kinda getting hit pretty heavy in keys without 4 set
ilvl 403 ish in 16 keys sitting in bstance 24/7
tropic tangle
your group probably needs to be on point with soothe in that case
modern brook
This is one of the most stressful tank weeks in m+
true thicket
sometimes i was struggling with rage and keeping ignore pain up
tropic tangle
running groups this week, if they're good at soothing the prio targets, it feels just fine
if not, it's gonna feel awful either for your damage intake or for random spells clapping the group
true thicket
i often have dps below me in overall dps
or atleast there is always 1 dude
havent tried any key yet since i got 4 set
oblique quarry
you don't have to have 100% up time on ignore pain, it is a rage dump
tropic tangle
yeah, ignore pain uptime is not a metric you need to worry about
shield block is your mitigation
true thicket
yea
dusty mica
I could test this but im not home, does shield wall pandemic?
or does it just have a set max duration set in the spell & talents
slow glacier
if im on diurna tank boss do i wanna be in offensive or defensive stance?
dusty mica
Max duration of 3x SB
wait what? I can stack 3 fresh shield blocks on top of each other?
lusty tiger
i would be dstance swapping for beam/ mortal strike
lavish oracle
wait what? I can stack 3 fresh shield blocks on top of each other?
You can have up to 24s of shield block rolling at any given time
If you have 20s remaining and press SB again, it goes to 24
amber siren
wait what? I can stack 3 fresh shield blocks on top of each other?
Yeah block stacks 3x duration
lavish oracle
(Unless you have bolster, in which case add 15s to the cap)
amber siren
I could test this but im not home, does shield wall pandemic?
Also shield wall has a CD for the duration it's active, can't stack it twice
dusty mica
damn thats nice ok, glad i asked. Thought it was a dumb question
amber siren
Not dumb, asking is good
lusty tiger
Also shield wall has a CD for the duration it's active, can't stack it twice
so if running IO shieldwall + avatar doesnt add the timers to the shield wall buff?
dusty mica
sometimes you get ignored or snarky comments back sadly
amber siren
so if running IO shieldwall + avatar doesnt add the timers to the shield wall bu...
I was more thinking Aegis, I have no idea about IO since I've never used it
lusty tiger
I was more thinking Aegis, I have no idea about IO since I've never used it
aegis you cant get 16 sec of sw or whatever it is?
lusty tiger
it just resets the buff back to 8 seconds?
vocal flame
Hi All! I didn't see it on wowhead but are we going with this for missives?
or haste vers?
lusty tiger
or haste vers?
no
vocal flame
haste crit?
lusty tiger
yes
vocal flame
ah ok, thank you!
dire kiln
crit really? didn't expect that
prisma crane
Parries and damage
vocal flame
but i trust everyone in here lol
prisma crane
Crit is very strong for us
But you're not fucking yourself if you go haste vers. Just don't get mastery
strong forum
ye whestone + tier is solid
prisma crane
Also fwiw if you EVER pvp you may want haste vers as well
deep spruce
Join them
Then run from them for the frontal
I always go right after clearing the debuff, and the rest go left
But seen kills where the tanks go left, which I find weird ๐
dusty mica
our guild just killed terros wed for the first time, we started using that viserio raid CD spreadsheet and it helped immensely
spreadsheet + WA + MRT
deep spruce
Using that for ANY boss helps immensely
amber siren
good coordination makes fights much easier
stoic rover
our guild just killed terros wed for the first time, we started using that viser...
Does that sheet have tank CDs too? Canโt find it
tropic tangle
what do you swap out to have intimidating shout?
post your talents
don't need to drop sidearm, there are other options
dusty mica
Does that sheet have tank CDs too? Canโt find it
It has everything I think, I threw my personal defensives on it
usually just using it for raid CDs like aura mastery, darkness, rally etc
stoic rover
I can only find old links would you happen to have it handy?
dusty mica
sec
stoic rover
Weโre using this https://questionablyepic.com/live/cooldownplanner
Is it the same thing basically?
dusty mica
not sure about QELive one
with this spreadsheet you're adding in the raid members in the summary section and then going to the appropriate fight which already lays out the timers for each big ability, then choose who and what CD is getting used there
from there, you use a weak aura that ties into mythic raid tools (MRT/ERT) and that person will get notified 10s before their ability needs to get used
its legit
heres a bit of our terros sheet
stoic rover
Dope! Thank you
dusty mica
np, good luck ๐
very front loaded work but once its all set up and everyone has the proper WA / Addons its so nice, massive gamechanger
stoic rover
What do those brood weakauras actually do ๐ on the brood tab, one shows eggs one the route
subtle sparrow
Diurna or Melandrus ring?
dusty mica
We only just set this up for Terros because we needed to nail down the healing CDs, we're progging senn now so, not sure lol sorruy
bright citrus
for M+ is a 408 totem better than a 402 decoration of flame for 20+ keys?
warm plinth
Yes
dry kayak
totem is amazing for m+ deco is kinda lame for us
forest tulip
is ilvl 401 good enough to run 17s? im struggling with aggro now
tropic tangle
holy 1 cpm revenge
warm plinth
Bro what? Is that a typo? 49 IP a minute?
violet violet
in temple, can we spell block haunting gaze?
tepid raptor
@tropic tangle BkEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFIQAAAAgkkEJJk0SKJJpUQEIUkIRJJBgQSCNkkgAECAAAAAAAEBAoUaAgA
warm plinth
Reflect/block sheet in the pins @violet violet
violet violet
ty!
tepid raptor
what to remove for intimidating shock?
sick sentinel
cuz, stun without a removal for it, is the GG your dead in a key
warm plinth
Why are you being hit by it...
warm plinth
what to remove for intimidating shock?
Honed reflexes is a shit talent
sick sentinel
i used to get hit by it, i blame the trees blocking my camera
tropic tangle
what to remove for intimidating shock?
drop honed reflexes
lusty tiger
One simple trick that will make the top parsers hate you- Revenge 2x instead of pressing ip and play at 85 rage
sick sentinel
and mulitple pugs say so in my keys
tropic tangle
the SS portion of honed is practically useless, so all you're getting is slightly faster interrupt
mighty valley
i try to never fight in that tree area
sick sentinel
i probably have recording of them complaing about4 the same camera fuckery i was complaining about a few months ago
forest tulip
also, i dont have any sockets or enchants on my gear. thats probably why im struggling
lusty tiger
Shouldnโt be. You donโt have any h palas?
tepid raptor
@tropic tangle @warm plinth ty
lusty tiger
If you 4pc with a good rotation you shouldnโt need to slam ip so much before it
amber siren
The slam isn't the dangerous part, it's the phys debuff
You're probably misusing cds
lusty tiger
Can also call for externals
mighty valley
roll the bones baby
lusty tiger
๐ฐ
warm plinth
What "big damage buff" lol. Are you referring to SnC?
mighty valley
yeah, but you don't just reroll for skull n crossbones no matter what
if you get 2+ buffs you still generally keep them
warm plinth
Idk if I'd call it huge
subtle sparrow
It's also a matter of playstyle, some will roll with a suboptimal outcome and others will reroll until they get the best one
warm plinth
No you actually do reroll 2 buffs for SnC
mighty valley
there's a desirability list of the buffs and you reroll if you're below a Good Enough Buffs threshold
subtle sparrow
Never played it, but I remember in BFA when I went hard on Warlock and managed 15k dps average through a dungeon, and my rogue friend re-rolled away from warlock because they were so bad and did 25k on his rogue, just high rolling for skull and crossbones.
It has probably been nerfed/changed since then
next axle
What are recommended macros and weak auras for us?
subtle sparrow
It's a travesty how bad locks are compared to their glory days
mighty valley
warlocks just spend two seasons as one of the two undisputed dps kings
subtle sparrow
What are recommended macros and weak auras for us?
Only macros I have are IP + SS together and Avatar + Demo Shout together
slim dove
"oh my god im not undisputed #1 its such a travesty"
warm plinth
Only macros I have are IP + SS together and Avatar + Demo Shout together
Why would you macro two abilities with dissimilar CDs together...
subtle sparrow
Why would you macro two abilities with dissimilar CDs together...
For when doing them with roar and ravager
The macro still works if doing just one
kindred furnace
oh, the macro to swap stances with the same keybind
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance
subtle sparrow
How would you miss casts?
kindred furnace
this one
subtle sparrow
They don't depend on each other
mighty valley
demo cares about positioning, avatar does not, i wouldn't macro them
subtle sparrow
Why would you?
mighty valley
you avatar immediately on pull while you need to make sure things are grouped before you hit demo
amber siren
Avatar before charge, putting demo on the macro sounds like an easy way to miss the group
subtle sparrow
I have them separately bound as well
kindred furnace
there's also scenarios where you would want to desync them to use as a personal
wanton orchid
hey guys so im a prot warrior and doing M+ content 20 higher im debating a race change and wanting to figure out what would give me the best benifit im currently a tuarren atm
kindred furnace
dwarf
amber siren
It's up to you, but if you have them bound separately already then I can't see the use of the macro
Dwarf/nelf
kindred furnace
other than that w/e works
slim dove
hey guys so im a prot warrior and doing M+ content 20 higher im debating a race ...
dwarf
subtle sparrow
Saves a press when dumping a ton of abilities quickly
uneven mason
hey guys so im a prot warrior and doing M+ content 20 higher im debating a race ...
Dwarf is literally the only race that has an impactful racial
subtle sparrow
After having done a lot of 12-14 keys in CoS, I wouldn't mind an extra AoE stun
Low key people don't use stuns
Does the orc racial still reduce healing on yourself?
slim dove
no
toxic pewter
hey guys so im a prot warrior and doing M+ content 20 higher im debating a race ...
Definitely Vulpera. Thank me later.
uneven mason
Get that furry crap outta here
toxic pewter
Lol wat? He already a Tauren. Meanwhile Vulpera is bis race
cloud umbra
dwarf for a few of the bosses to be easier, blood elf if your group needs an aoe magic purge
kindred furnace
you still get the debuff
I haven't looked in logs, but I think it would just DR the damage from people colliding to remove them
sick sentinel
Dwarf is literally the only race that has an impactful racial
this to me is on par witrh people saying same shit about lariat
wanton orchid
For temple of the jadeserpent the adds in the 3rd boss area the ones that do the claw is it magic of physical
sick sentinel
part of me thinks if its the best for everyone, its probably the best for nobody or something along those lines
round pendant
For temple of the jadeserpent the adds in the 3rd boss area the ones that do the...
Magic
You can spell block and spell reflect it
sand mason
does spell block help with the dot?
amber siren
No, you can't block dots
sand mason
thought so
sadge
whats the move for dealing with raging shas? It just deleted groups
round pendant
My solution is to not play m+ for two weeks
sand mason
My solution is to not play m+ for two weeks
hahaha
sick sentinel
"spam execute more and we will time the key guys" - inhales copious amounts of copium
urban portal
for raid its pretty much a sim
IDK too much about tank potions but as a general statement procs>stats for tanks
whereas for dps stats>procs
modest grove
how do I check how many attacks I blocked on logs?
dusty plinth
how many stacks of lasher toxin would you use stone form on?
lavish oracle
If you were choosing between spending valor on Bonemaw's big toe or Blazebinder's hoof, which would you choose?
tulip kelp
how many stacks of lasher toxin would you use stone form on?
50+
vivid sonnet
how much % does the last mob in cos give?
turbid shuttle
6.32
vivid sonnet
ah ty
hybrid gust
should i use 405 decoration of flame or 415 granyth's enduring scale?
timber terrace
no
sand mason
Enduring because of stats?
slim dove
should i use 405 decoration of flame or 415 granyth's enduring scale?
both are meh, farm whetstone + hunger
hybrid gust
dmg is great but i need to live
urban portal
all the living trinkets suck
modest grove
What about puzzlebox + whetstone?
tepid raptor
both are meh, farm whetstone + hunger
why hunger?
slim dove
crit gud
slim dove
dmg is great but i need to live
no good defensive tank trinkets rn
subtle sparrow
When kiting the pack of three skeletons in SBG:
sick sentinel
that pull looks like dog shit
median tulip
When kiting the pack of three skeletons in SBG:
Elemental Shaman detected
sick sentinel
even if i was subbed, i would not do sbg this week
raging deathblasts hit so hard it could 1 shot a dps and then probably 80% of another dps as well from the wasted dmg on first guy
even on a tyranical like +10 ish key and no raging, dps will die literal 1 shot to death blast
subtle sparrow
Elemental Shaman detected
Enhance
subtle sparrow
raging deathblasts hit so hard it could 1 shot a dps and then probably 80% of an...
You don't let the death blasts go through
sick sentinel
yes, thats true,
median tulip
Really? What's he complaining about then?
subtle sparrow
They oneshot without raging
sick sentinel
but when they DO
sick sentinel
when deathblast does go off, without immunity/cheat, 99% death
subtle sparrow
Last pack with skellingtons anyway
sick sentinel
its scary stuff lol
subtle sparrow
I interrupt one, then stand ready with storm bolt on the other
sick sentinel
i don't pull both together unless i see the patrolling one close to stationary one
subtle sparrow
We did have one guy release when dying right before the second boss, so while waiting, one of the DPS decided to try to solo one of the deathblasters. I didn't notice, was just looking at the minimap and it hits me in the back for 90% of my health
sick sentinel
and then i interupt the guy in the back and move to here (1 minute plz)
subtle sparrow
i don't pull both together unless i see the patrolling one close to stationary o...
I wait for them to stack unless the pat is heading upwards
subtle sparrow
I wish someone did like 2 minute dungeon guides going through what is dangerous. CBA sitting through a 35 minute video because the creator has to watch his own run in real time.
Which adds to interrupt, spell reflects, etc
sick sentinel
i stand at that angle, because i know both the adds will spwan there, i can spawn them and my shock wave will hit both at that spot and angle
subtle sparrow
If it's your first time doing SBG and everyone wastes their interrupt on the caster, you are fucked
sick sentinel
its alot the problem that, dps and the whole group really, overlaps the interupts badly
and then you got 2 guys try to interupt, 1 guy, me, pummels 2 seconds after by acciden it's wated, now they are free casting victory conditions, GG
turbid shuttle
raging deathblasts hit so hard it could 1 shot a dps and then probably 80% of an...
wait for the pat after 1st trash after 1st boss to be at the bottom of the hall. then it summons only 2 death blasts (the 2 at the bottom)
if you notice there's 2 casters. 1 fixed at end of hall, and 1 patting between top and bottom. wait for the patting one to be near the bottom one, and then pull both simultaneous. you get only 2 death blasters instead of 4.
that's the only time you'll need to fight those mobs, and it's trivial to stop 2 of them before they die. gg.
scenic mural
They literally cast once maybe twice and die. Defenition of a non issue
If that is keeping you from running a dungeon there are other issues
scenic mural
You have shockwave, intim shout, pummel, and stormbolt and 4 other people, failing that pack is just troll
turbid shuttle
tbh the void blast on the exhumer is a bigger problem on raging. can't stun them and they chain cast. if both happen to target same player they're dead
sick sentinel
like he said, most keys, they don't cast death blast more than 1-3 times absolute max
turbid shuttle
that's not to say it's a BIG problem, but bigger than the small summon dudes who do nothing but die
sick sentinel
its just the problem is, you don't kick and no cds and its coming at you, 100% death chance basically
its like a giant middle finger
quiet monolith
Don't need to be doing more than 20s usually and it's a null issue
turbid shuttle
any given party has at least 10 ways to stop those casts
quiet monolith
Pull the exhumers together and it only summons one pair of adds
sick sentinel
yes, you should kick it, but the 2% chance it does go off
turbid shuttle
when you get to higher keys you'll see nobody will ever let it go off
scenic mural
And that 2% is stopping you from running sbg? Pol
turbid shuttle
i avoid sbg, but because it's too easy and boring
sick sentinel
oh yeah, i just will not run it with these affixes
turbid shuttle
i'd much rather run rlp, av, no, aa
quiet monolith
You are on crack
turbid shuttle
oh yeah, i just will not run it with these affixes
there is nothing about these affixes that makes sbg hard
sick sentinel
i also fear dps that like to only clear the farthest possible adds from center on final boss
lots i love about that dungeon, few things i hate,
quiet monolith
NO on these affixes is aids
turbid shuttle
you can control that
turbid shuttle
you should be marking skull on kill target as tank
you should also be dropping world marker on the half of the room you want your ranged to bait to
and keep boss on the other half
so you don't get adds overlapping with beams
sick sentinel
oh yeah, i try to do that, like on a caster, or has to die first
quiet monolith
If you take spell block literally nothing on smbg is of concern expect the 2 pack before final boss and even that is not bad
turbid shuttle
If you take spell block literally nothing on smbg is of concern expect the 2 pac...
mark the safe spot for your ranged
sick sentinel
the problem with going for the outside one is people hgave to travel to it,before they can even attack or move thorugh the cleared area
scenic mural
I default to the second from the end on whatever side we are on
sick sentinel
so then they are late and panic and get hit and then die to dot
turbid shuttle
2nd outside or inside
scenic mural
the problem with going for the outside one is people hgave to travel to it,befor...
Only one person should have to travel or else your group is just bad
quiet monolith
2nd one in always
turbid shuttle
and always mark the opposite side of room for your ranged
scenic mural
Or you arent tanking hi@ where you should be
turbid shuttle
to bait
sick sentinel
so to fix this, i have told groups kill close to middle if possible plz
scenic mural
so to fix this, i have told groups kill close to middle if possible plz
Thats the issue, you should be taking him opposite of the dropped spears
Tanking
Not the middle
turbid shuttle
watch this video
tl;dr they always spawn along the line between the 2 markers on this inside circle
see the 2 big 'ticks'? like top/bottom of this picture? they always spawn that direction. either the top or the bottom relative to those ticks
so you tank left or right relative to those ticks, and your ranged baits the other way
then omens are on one side of the room, your skeleton kill target is on the other side of the room
sick sentinel
one thing i noticed, is as we fight the boss, they dps will start to kill one, and it will happen to be the one that is about to dissapear
and i think its the first one that gets placed down, i don't know precisely how you would track it, but think its after 2 dark pillars, daggers whatever they are
turbid shuttle
the oldest despawns first
there will (I think) be 3 omens between each skeleton wave
maybe 4
sick sentinel
yes, so they were tracking whichever was the oldest one, and then killing that one in the middle
turbid shuttle
don't do that
sick sentinel
he puts it donw i just move him
turbid shuttle
read what I wrote above
tell your ranged what half of the room to bait to
then stand on the other half of the room
and kill skeleton on that side
worldly dove
Elemental Shaman detected
hello fellow eve enjoyer
sick sentinel
i don't quite follow what you or the youtuber is saying