already did that on my feral 😭 30+ runs
#protection
dusty mica
lusty tiger
u can get lucky
dusty mica
this toon is honestly pretty damn lucky
im feelin it lol
whats the ideal second trinket outside of raid? Or should i be trying to pug certain bosses just for trinekts
lusty tiger
whats the ideal second trinket outside of raid? Or should i be trying to pug cer...
all totem from raid- or blazebinder hoof from m+
dusty mica
tyty
stoic rover
Where’s this from? I like this
dusty mica
idk someone in my guild probably snagged in from somewhere
if you wanna know i can go find out
balmy canyon
Looks like raid plan
dusty mica
the prot warrior guide is saying to catalyst a helm, thought it was kinda poorly statted no?
CoS helm a bit better right
dusty mica
ohh really, ok good to know
I guess i really will be spamming CoS tonight... need ring, whetstone, chest, legs, gloves lol
lament gulch
Why do i see alot of warriors now gemming and enchanting towards more crit heavy over vers
serene narwhal
At what point should Prot start looking at more Crit, rather than Vers?
lusty tiger
At what point should Prot start looking at more Crit, rather than Vers?
Alpha->omega of your Warrior’s existence
serene narwhal
So... Haste > Crit better than Haste > Ver?
lusty tiger
Yes
serene narwhal
Huh, even at lower ilevels?
lusty tiger
Yes
knotty vortex
its a threat thing it looks like
lusty tiger
But really it’s:
Str >>>>>>> haste >> crit
serene narwhal
Welp, I need to rework my "BiS" list
dusty mica
I feel like everything ive seen on prot warr said haste/vers
knotty vortex
verse is more reliable
lusty tiger
verse is more reliable
No
lament gulch
So with the whole crit thing being said i have a 415 whetstone with leech, decoration of flame, and a 421 hunger. should i stick with whetstone and decoration?
dusty mica
crit doesnt add any survivability right? it doesnt gen more rage or anything?
lusty tiger
So with the whole crit thing being said i have a 415 whetstone with leech, decor...
Whetstone+hunger
But I would still sim- decoration is said to be rather weak
serene narwhal
So... Haste/Vers for newbies?
lament gulch
yeah decoration seems very weak
lusty tiger
So... Haste/Vers for newbies?
No
lament gulch
Think they will ever fix BSV?
lusty tiger
@strong forum is this relevant?
dusty mica
wowhead: H > V > C > M
icy: H > V >= C > M
method: H > V/C > M
so what changed?
toxic pewter
<@192743144276623360> is this relevant?
Seems like a mistake it’s already taken down. That’s a paladin talent
lusty tiger
Word
strong forum
not warrior
lusty tiger
wowhead: H > V > C > M
icy: H > V >= C > M
method: H > V...
U stepped into the warrior discord
lusty tiger
Think they will ever fix BSV?
No
dusty mica
I mean yeah but arent they written by respected theorycraftor warrs or is that false
Not trying to be a dick just asking
little sad i already crafted haste/vers gear but i can change that later
toxic pewter
That’s fine stats don’t matter
lusty tiger
The most up to date tech is the people currently pushing content and talking in here
wooden widget
Press button do dmg
fallow nova
Warrior guides? "You're a DPS that needs to keep shield block up"
dusty mica
Fair enough, just thought i'd ask the question. I appreciate the responses fr
serene narwhal
So, how does this look, for a M+ andy going for 2.5k?
I can't imagine it would be much in terms of lost damage, though?
ocean bloom
its a known issue that someittmes logs show you have no stance correct?
mighty valley
For 2.5k you're honestly overthinking it
tropic tangle
yeh, don't even need timed 20s for it
wet tartan
Am I able to get some help on holding agro? single target no probs, small groups easy. But if I dont have that 3m cooldown shout up, I lose agro. What skills generate agro?
mighty valley
The difference between crit and vers is v small, just take what you get
picking ilvl > all and filling in frustrating slots with crafted
serene narwhal
I probably am, but I'm looking for anything that will help
I imagine the dream scenario, outside of Vault luck would be everything but Tier and trinkets 418 crafted
turbid shuttle
Am I able to get some help on holding agro? single target no probs, small groups...
are you playing with people who vastly outgear you? what circumstances are you losing threat? like attempting to gather multiple packs of mobs? or just... I walked in to 5 mobs and pressed my buttons and lost aggro.
between shout, roar, ravager, shield charge, you have lots of big aoe threat buttons
serene narwhal
Oh, right, that's the Eranog ring, right?
craggy pilot
is there a macro for Healthstone and Potion on the same button?
and does it use both together, or do they have internal CD?
wet tartan
are you playing with people who vastly outgear you? what circumstances are you l...
Yeah its mostly been cases of me being 389 and valor runs with people pumping damage
And even when I lose it I cant seem to get it back withoutthe big cooldown
turbid shuttle
yeah if you're 389 playing with 415s who are trying to pump while you're just trying to figure out how to press your buttons, you're going to lose aggro sometimes
serene narwhal
Thanks, @astral atlas I'm hoping to at least try pugging Heroic, once I get more practice.
turbid shuttle
for 2 reasons: 1. they're being apes and busting cooldowns before you've even gathered, and 2. their dps is ridic compared to yours
serene narwhal
I tried on my max level warrior, and Ras wrecked me :/
wet tartan
for 2 reasons: 1. they're being apes and busting cooldowns before you've even ga...
thats my least favorite thing about tanking; let me get at least a smash out before ya'll go crazy
Just gotta get my dps up to hold agro looks like
turbid shuttle
that's not to say there aren't things you could do better to prevent it
just, if you're 389 doing valor runs, it's kinda implicitly true that you're still trying to figure out how to press your buttons
so it goes with the territory
wet tartan
Appreciate your time friend
turbid shuttle
np
just try to clap early and often, use at least one of roar or ravager or shield charge asap on pull, and that'll go a long way
fallow nova
Man, some of these valor runs are almost faster than darting through heroics.
Had a couple low back-to-back Jades where we were basically just running between the bosses while everything happened to die along the way
keen canopy
Can you spell block Void Slashes in SBG?
strong forum
yes
keen canopy
cheers ty
weary verge
Anybody struggle with the mage tower? Seems like i cant put out enough damage to get thru P1 fast enough.
pallid quiver
Anybody struggle with the mage tower? Seems like i cant put out enough damage to...
It's currently probably among the easiest it's ever been, so you likely have rotational issues if you're not dealing enough damage
slim dove
i just slapped it as arms
weary verge
It's currently probably among the easiest it's ever been, so you likely have rot...
Ok ill look into it, takes me like 6 mins to get to P2
weary verge
i just slapped it as arms
I thought the set only unlocked by spec? Is it class wide?
warm plinth
Anybody struggle with the mage tower? Seems like i cant put out enough damage to...
Define fast enough?
warm plinth
I thought the set only unlocked by spec? Is it class wide?
The new sets are class-wide iirc.
weary verge
Define fast enough?
Seems to take me like 6ish mins and I feel like im getting overrun by the giants
warm plinth
Holy shit, 6 mins 👀
I don't think it took me that long to do the entire challenge XD
weary verge
Yeah im not sure what im doing wrong tbh
cinder storm
Hmm, I did it in SL and I think I got two/three demons at most
warm plinth
Are you monitoring your aura stacks and making sure to go in when it's gone?
warm plinth
Yeah definitly sounds like a rotational problem to me. Can you log a few attempts (you'll have to do it manually since I don't think any autologgers will work on it)
weary verge
I try to kill the eyes, maybe I should leave them be? takes like 4 heroic throws to kill one
warm plinth
You should kill eyes when you go out of the aura but just face them when in the aura
warm plinth
He said it's taking him 6 min to do the first phase Nome
strong forum
Oh.
warm plinth
Not the enitre challenge
strong forum
Oh no
First phase should be like 3min if you take it slow
Not 6
You should really work on your rotation then if you take that long for variss alone
warm plinth
Yeah for sure
weary verge
This seems like a dumb question, but define rotation? I think of abilities and CD's
strong forum
SS > tc > revenge
All offensive CDs on CD
All of them
Use all outbursts on shield slam, almost never on thunderclap
strong forum
(bosses specifically)
warm plinth
If you get an outburst and you don't have shield slam or rage for revenge, I assume you just send it on TC?
strong forum
Yes
warm plinth
ok, that's what I thought but I figured I'd make sure
strong forum
Better to send on TC than to wait for 3 gcds
warm plinth
right
warm plinth
yeah that's what I've basically been doing is just holding for the next auto and then just sending TC
weary verge
Hmm it seems i forgot some fundamentals there, thank you for the refresher, ill give it some goes
sick sentinel
cuz im immune to lariat mind games
modest grove
Warriors, would you rather suggest using blaze hoof or decoration of flame, paired with whetstone trinket?
sick sentinel
and i had food belt, but got fire ring
warm plinth
Warriors, would you rather suggest using blaze hoof or decoration of flame, pair...
Same ilevel or?
modest grove
Hoof is upgradable, decoration not upgradable
But maybe i should not upgrade hoof and wait for a better trinket
warm plinth
If you're raiding then I'd wait for an all-totem
modest grove
Im raiding heroic
sick sentinel
the first food buff item i had made
modest grove
If you're raiding then I'd wait for an all-totem
Im mostly running +17-18 atm
Heroic raiding
sick sentinel
far as i can tell, besides pvp, boots is a safe slot to craft food
there is no, speciality boots,
warm plinth
Doesn't really matter what you put food on as long as it's not a tier slot that's going to be replaced
sick sentinel
i think there is some high lvl ilvl mythic raid ones
but thats about it
i just figured i'd never get the fire ring, and then i did
craggy pilot
lol just joined a +20 RLP of a guy who did +19 COS 😄
we did 1 pull, they fucked up Thundering and died
and he left his own key 🤣
warm plinth
wow lol
reef holly
😞
craggy pilot
his highest ever was +19 COS, and goes insta into +20 RLP
idk why 🤣
the key wasnt even dead or anything
reef holly
and he left his own key 🤣
I had 80 deaths on an 18 RLP- everyone stayed 
craggy pilot
idk why you would leave your own key after such a small mistake
he had a Warr in the grp as well, i reckon a friend, whos highest key was a +17
in a +20 RLP 😄
the grp was the weirdest build ive ever seen, was sure it would fail even before i started
just didnt expect it to be on something so small 🤣
lusty karma
Any thoughts on what my next crafted piece should be? https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/instyle
turbid shuttle
Any thoughts on what my next crafted piece should be? https://worldofwarcraft.bl...
there is only 1 option: cloak
tropic tangle
DH does a triple up top, everyone dies because raging / shiv CD and he just leaves the key
lusty karma
Gloves normally yeah?
sick sentinel
I had 80 deaths on an 18 RLP- everyone stayed <:okayge:917646812519739433>
sounds like a recipe for ptsd
lusty karma
sounds like a recipe for ptsd
Is this the sunken cost fallacy at work?
tulip kelp
in a +20 RLP 😄
Honestly RLP feels pretty easy these days, whether it’s fort or tyrannical
sick sentinel
as long as people arent getting too upset usually worth trying
people can get testy after timer
tulip kelp
Doesn't really matter what you put food on as long as it's not a tier slot that'...
Much easier to get a decent belt or boots with option to CC from vault then a good say ring with optimal stats tho
craggy pilot
Honestly RLP feels pretty easy these days, whether it’s fort or tyrannical
true
tulip kelp
I crafted 418 boots and got 421 next week
craggy pilot
only one im missing on 20 in Fort
sick sentinel
If you’re playing with the %haste buff per mob instead of shield block duration shield slam, how do you manage to keep 100% uptime on shield block ??
craggy pilot
you pick Bolster
sick sentinel
Is that shield block with last stand ?
craggy pilot
yes
you can check 
for ITF build for M+
its basically either HR + Spikes/Spell Block, or ITF + Bolster
for M+ at least
in Raid its a bit different
limber flame
far as i can tell, besides pvp, boots is a safe slot to craft food
yeah boots are best slot, i have mine on belt because no eranog ring yet, maybe cape too so you can get a crit/haste 418 cape
errant brook
Training a whelp cuz the Whetstone's a myth so far. Nothing in the pins for flavor of teenydragon. M+ mostly.
Tired of the Decoration.
Paired with a Rumbling Ruby.
maiden lake
this is my wep+ shield is it worth trying to craft the wep and shield?
i dont have access to the 400+ ilvl crafts
warm plinth
Gloves normally yeah?
Chest is the worst tier slot
warm plinth
this is my wep+ shield is it worth trying to craft the wep and shield?
Not until you can get infusions
reef holly
What’s the add on that displays a players highest key completed?
When inviting players to keys
reef holly
Ahh yes
lusty karma
Chest is the worst tier slot
I thought our stat priority is haste >= vers > crit > mas, no?
warm plinth
Haste>vers=crit>mastery
Neither the chest nor the gloves have haste on them, and chest is a larger stat budget. Hence chest is the worst tier piece.
rain light
finally timed a 20 off, 3 more and im done
warm plinth
Proud of you
rain light
Just have to have the stars align and find 4 good pugs
strong forum
I also had a good day on my prevoker today
Went from 390 to 401, went from 0pc to 4pc and got a leech whetstone
And timed a couple 20s
warm plinth
Hell yeah
toxic wadi
Why is tanking considered fun?
Tanking is very stressful. Not fun. Especially prot warrior, you have to manage two buffs that are off gcd (ignore pain and shield block). Gotta keep em up. There's lots of button mashing; you'll get carpal tunnel. If you're a pilot or played Microsoft flight simulator, you might like prot warrior since there are a bunch of things to keep track of.
Often times, healing, tanking, and complicated dps specs are primarily "HUD managing" gameplay, like a pilot.
If you want fun, play arms or fury.
warm plinth
is this copypasta or something
paper herald
🍝
toxic wadi
is this copypasta or something
It is now
strong forum
I'll yoink that
stable valve
does web blast do dmg
or does it JUST buff sennarth dmg
my cotank is saying it doesn't do dmg itself
lusty narwhal
Anyone Mythic Dathea tankers?
warm plinth
he's saying her melees
vernal vale
does web blast do dmg
web blast does damage each stack will increase the damage it does
warm plinth
It has nothing to do with her melees 🤔
vernal vale
4 stacks makes it comfy for surviving while you can take more no point
main jewel
sick sentinel
i don't really understand it, but groups are gettting turbo deleted
sick sentinel
21 hours left on sub and don't really feel super inclined to continue atm
shitty note to leave on
fallow nova
I got that alt itch since I'm maxed on all reps besides iskaara and have nothing major to do besides push keys or farm valor, so the other day I decided to work on my arcane mage I'd capped in SL
By level 67 I remembered why I prefer melee classes/tanks
sick sentinel
i did like, 65% of the stuff i wanted to do in DF so far and can reasonably do
fallow nova
As in 35% left that you can reasonably do, or the rest is less feasible?
sick sentinel
3 professions to 100, nearly maxed rep, farmed sooooo much transmog, ksm,
fallow nova
That is quite a bit
I feel that a lot of warrior transmog is 'meh' compared to something like paladin
tulip kelp
3 professions to 100, nearly maxed rep, farmed sooooo much transmog, ksm,
What about portals? Title? Try pvp?
fallow nova
Max out your gear for all 3 specs, if you really want to be a glutton for punishment
sick sentinel
i'd have to get serious if i wanted a portal other than SBG
tulip kelp
Max out your gear for all 3 specs, if you really want to be a glutton for punish...
Pretty easy to do for two… crit haste works for arms and kept lol
sick sentinel
bdk hit 70 last week, tons of 50 / 60 lvl alts
tulip kelp
i'd have to get serious if i wanted a portal other than SBG
That’s fun tho right? And you get to keep portals forever
Honestly not that hard to pug now either…. Most people out gear it
sick sentinel
its not like i quit for good, usually i come back
sage pollen
guys someone has some tips for single target damage? I always seem to over between 35-40k can't really do more 410 itm lvl
warm plinth
Like in what context? 35-40k is pretty good for single target. I think Nome hovers around 40k on a target dummy with no outside buffs.
dusty mica
415 strike twice vs 418 crafted?
sage pollen
Wise Mari for example
warm plinth
415 strike twice vs 418 crafted?
strike is probably a tiny bit better on single target but the 418 will win in aoe
dusty mica
ok thanks
have a 392 crafted and just got a 392 strike twice from this key, maybe I'll use it and just upgrade my weapon last
vernal vale
Or Terros for example I always hover 35k
Have a log?
vernal vale
Without a log best I can give you is don't waste rage and push your buttons. @sage pollen
twin comet
if i'm going for max dps during avatar should i be using TC, revenge, TC, revenge, TC, etc?
vernal vale
if i'm going for max dps during avatar should i be using TC, revenge, TC, reveng...
Don't ignore shield slam it's lots of rage which feeds anger management to get avatar back faster to hit it again.
twin comet
so weave it in every other one?
fallow nova
Unless I'm at 5+ targets, I tend to prioritize ss resets
There are times where, even during avatar, I just bounce between ss and tc for several globals
Revenge is good but the rage gen/spending lowers your cds so much and gets those outbursts going an awful lot
warm plinth
so weave it in every other one?
Your rotation should be like TC>Revenge>TC>SS>TC>Revenge etc during Avatar.
vernal vale
The more targets the better tc is but rage is our most important thing thus shield slam
twin comet
Your rotation should be like TC>Revenge>TC>SS>TC>Revenge etc during Avatar.
Thank you
craggy anchor
wow head is saying sustained str over waking stats?
vernal vale
Always think about feeding the rage machine
fallow nova
Sometimes its SS>TC>SS>TC>SS>TC>Rev
warm plinth
right ^
fallow nova
And if you've got a ravager or booming bleed up, you're often dumping rage into IP between most of those gcds
Makes Avatar's cooldown hilariously low
vernal vale
SS resets are huge rage which will lead to higher damage
Because angee management
More avatar more damage
fallow nova
It took me a while to get the hang of the fact that cycling your big cooldowns is worth more than just pumping ability-based numbers on an individual trash pack
But that's also why folks here constantly remind you to hit your buttons on cooldown
I've always been stingy with dps cds for whatever reason. Getting good at pwar required breaking that tendency and just going ham a lot more often
vernal vale
fallow nova
And it's rewarding, having avatar ready to go so dang often.
foggy ruin
does spellblock work on a magic damage dot
vernal vale
Is that a page from details?
It's from a log
fallow nova
Ah ok
vernal vale
does spellblock work on a magic damage dot
Nope
Some dungeons I can do better others are worse.
fallow nova
I found classes with off-gcd stuff like pwar and pally to be a lot easier when I started using a gaming mouse with thumb buttons
proven crow
Is there a list somewhere of boss abilities that can be spell reflected in the current content?
fallow nova
Most of my abilities are triggered by my right hand with some alt or shift modifiers, so left hand is free for just movement and f/shift+f for shield block and ip
vernal vale
Most of my abilities are triggered by my right hand with some alt or shift modif...
Gaming mouse is huge
vernal vale
Is there a list somewhere of boss abilities that can be spell reflected in the c...
Sorry that gif was so huge
warm plinth
https://tenor.com/view/discord-lightmode-pins-check-oof-gif-21218729
We have an emoji too.
vernal vale
We have an emoji too.
I forgot about that lol
proven crow
Oh nice, didn't see that. Thanks!
fallow nova
Gaming mouse is huge
I doubt I'd want to play wow without one at this point
vernal vale
We have an emoji too.
Oh and you need discord nitro to use that one
warm plinth
Not having Nitro 
vernal vale
I doubt I'd want to play wow without one at this point
I played my wife's druid for an achieve run without one and while doable it was awkward just on a keyboard.
warm plinth
Why you no have nitro
vernal vale
Not having Nitro <:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
I'm a cheap bastard I don't pay for anything lol
warm plinth
Sir it's $3 a month
fallow nova
I can sorta handle it depending on number of cds based off old pc games I used to play, but I wouldn't do it for long term
I mean, I've got 8 different things tied to the fact that I can click my mouse wheel left and right
vernal vale
Sir it's $3 a month
Doesn't change the fact that I'm cheap lol. I don't pay for my Netflix or whatnot I just got a friend's password.
fallow nova
They're about to make that cost more, too
Based on IP address vs what they consider the account owner's "home" network.
I noticed wowhead has deco and icon as bis trinkets for prot. Is that due to mainstat?
pallid hare
other than looking at and comparing top parses on warcraft logs, are there any resources evaluating talent options for DPS vs survivability?
vernal vale
I noticed wowhead has deco and icon as bis trinkets for prot. Is that due to mai...
Maybe, decoration is not a bad trinket but it's not good. However it is one of the few tank trinkets
pallid hare
I noticed that most high dmg builds often only trade between 3-4 specific talents, so it would be nice if there was a summary somewhere
e.g. X talent is worth 0.5% DPS but at the cost of talent Y which is better in such and such way
amber siren
I noticed wowhead has deco and icon as bis trinkets for prot. Is that due to mai...
The wowhead guide simply put has errors in it
vernal vale
I noticed that most high dmg builds often only trade between 3-4 specific talent...
Honestly I basically just run the pinned build.
From there it's just not wasting rage and pushing lots of buttons.
fallow nova
The wowhead guide simply put has errors in it
Which struck me as odd, since a lot of folks on here put major stock in it since the writer is an active member here.
The only change I can think of that I made from the pinned build was dropping sidearm to make heroic throw an aoe affect
urban portal
I've always been stingy with dps cds for whatever reason. Getting good at pwar r...
fairly sure prot warrior is the only tank with a pure offensive cd
so yeah
giga send
fallow nova
Paladin depending on how you build your wings, but yeah
urban portal
but wings always give healing
which is defensive
the only thing "defensive" about avatar is the 30 rage on activation
fallow nova
Paladin feels a lot like pwar but with a heap more utility and less mobility
And sotr feels less reliable than sb if you're going for dusk/dawn
That's all changing next patch anyway, though
But yeah, pwar checks the box pretty perfectly of "defensive role that you play as offensively as possible"
And that's 100% my jam in any game I can get a build like that
Also, shield charge is the single sexiest ability in all of wow
vernal vale
I miss gladiator shield charge. Window to slap as many SS and heroic strikes into as you could.
Though this version still feels great.
fallow nova
Don't bring up glad stance. It's still too soon for my broken heart
vernal vale
Plus that CPM I never get anymore.
Don't worry I posted the meme so no one else has to go find it again.
fallow nova
To be fair though, if I could just sword-n-board DPS I probably wouldn't have gotten back into tanking the way I have and sweet jesus has it been lucrative for me.
90 cpm good god lol
Smacksmacksmacksmacksmack
vernal vale
It was straight carple tunnel spec then even more so than now.
fallow nova
Yeah
Those early days on WoD were some of the most fun I've had with warrior, aside from this expansion
I sat out 99% of BfA and came back for SL, but never touched my warrior from Legion
vernal vale
It was the only time I've ever enjoyed dps
fallow nova
Current fury is pretty nice
I tried arms and really didn't love it as much, might give it another go since the stats seem to line up better with what I've got
Ret pally is a fun (if not kinda stale) dps spec too
Rework might actually make me play my paladin alt some more, since it's the only other class I've got at 70
Prot just made me want to play my warrior more after a week
hybrid gust
does the ring from eranog increase the proc rate of broodkeeper ring?
urban portal
not significantly no
hybrid gust
ok ty,
rough egret
Blessed, just got spark from rare 🙂
forest tulip
i mightve lost 20 ilvls on my pants but i finally got my 4th set piece. now i just gotta grind for valor to upgrade them
and i just wanna say, its absurd how many m+ ive done and i still have not gotten a bottled essence
warm plinth
Yeah I kinda feel like they fucked up the drop rate on those a bit.
I still haven't seen one
daring marlin
tame jasper
Blessed, just got spark from rare 🙂
gratz
wintry anvil
does anyone else poop themselves on 3rd boss of TJS?
dry spear
Gz. We are on her. 15 pulls more or less. I handle the adds. Sonetime the frontals are very hard to see. And i got the feeling when the cast goes off the animation sticks under me. Even if i move away
wintry anvil
5 jade serpent strikes is cringe
and yeah the last trash pack is aids... but i seem to always struggle with 3rd boss -.-
rough egret
Dont take evoker there.. with their range..
silent anchor
Gz. We are on her. 15 pulls more or less. I handle the adds. Sonetime the fronta...
The frontal r annoying and yeah hard too see. I was on adds too. Just stick right then move left. They zig zag too so gotta make sure and move alot. Face the wall as you can see them on the ledge behind you.
wintry anvil
Dont take evoker there.. with their range..
thats what i had... he couldnt heal me through it.
rough egret
Yeah, got same problem that we went too far from eachother
wintry anvil
i was shield walling the first jade, spell block second, health pot 3rd, healthstone 4th, dying on 5th
rough egret
You can LS one
After hit
LS counts as heal
Lock is also nice just for that boss
HS
wintry anvil
good point!
rough egret
Its like you can easy live 3 hits 4th you have to pray
wintry anvil
we were getting 5 -.-
wintry anvil
didnt blood lust, was saving for last trash pack before last boss, cause... thats a separate issue.
wintry anvil
and evokers have a 7 yard range
rough egret
My evoker was on opposite side
wintry anvil
4head
warm plinth
Are you running like 8 billion yards away from the circle or something? 🤔
rough egret
Could be better i guess
wintry anvil
and the evokers range is 7
shell coral
hey guys , i'm new to prot warrior. what talents should i take for M+?
wintry anvil
its hard to relax when boss puts big healing debuff on you and evokers like... here's reversion glhf
shell coral
i'm looking at some top warrior talent trees and they dont take avatar... so i'm kinda confused
rough egret
But the weave is sometimes larger than it seems
mighty valley
i'm looking at some top warrior talent trees and they dont take avatar... so i'm...
that sounds... really weird. anyway check the pins for recommended builds
warm plinth
hey guys , i'm new to prot warrior. what talents should i take for M+?
pins
round pendant
All you do, take the strike, strafe out of the circle, go back to boss
shell coral
that sounds... really weird. anyway check the pins for recommended builds
on murlok . io , naowh doesnt take avatar
rough egret
Naowh ? 😄
wintry anvil
the dk?
warm plinth
what are these random ass websites people are looking at for information
rough egret
Im pretty sure he plays with avatar 🙂
wintry anvil
I went to BarbaricTraining.io and learned i shouldnt go 8 billion yards away
rough egret
Like 99%
warm plinth
yes
mighty valley
what are these random ass websites people are looking at for information
ones with useful grafix like this
NEW BUILD: don't take avatar but do take UF
warm plinth
I mean you're being a smartass obviously but there should be no issue with an evoker on that boss. So someone is fucking up to make it an issue.
wintry anvil
@shell coral and macro avatar and demoralizing together
warm plinth
Do not do that
mighty valley
no don't do that
wintry anvil
yeah dont do that
rough egret
I mean you're being a smartass obviously but there should be no issue with an ev...
It was fail for both of us, me and my evoker 🙂
orchid frigate
how do you handle those two pandas in TJS when the key starts to get high enough for them to random kill off your party?
cinder storm
You don't do them
Some people do them with lust because mdi effect as first pull but it's kinda trolling imo
orchid frigate
ok ;/
cinder storm
Also, tsj is hell, hov is easy but dps can't kick or sit on adds frontal
sturdy locust
How does one deal with Void Slash in SBG.
They absolutely truck me on a +20. Should they just be chain CC'ed?
cinder storm
Step back a bit, stun them, use spell reflect
sturdy locust
You can outrange it?
cinder storm
If you want to sit there take spell block
cinder storm
You can outrange it?
Yeah it's like 8yds
sturdy locust
Can you do like you would do in HOV with the frontals.
cinder storm
No, you have to move a bit more on those
sturdy locust
What happens if you're not in range of the mobs a.ka. kiting. Do they just truck someone else, not cast it, or try to cast it but fail to hit?
sturdy locust
No, you have to move a bit more on those
The ones in HOV or the skeletons?
cinder storm
Doesn't helps they are on a slope
The skeletons
No, only other thing that really needs to be stopped are the casts and healer needs to dispel the bone thing
sturdy locust
I'll ask differently. If a tank is not in range of a skeleton does it still cast Void Slash?
amber siren
If you're outside 8 yards, no
sturdy locust
So an albeit slower but more safe strategy is just to slow and kite. Nice to know. Thanks guys!
cinder storm
I'd say kite as a last resource
inner hound
Be careful with outranging the skeletons tho. unlike other frontals, these guys can move while casting
cinder storm
With stops, spell reflect, shield wall, you should be cozy for a bit on a 20
sturdy locust
Stops here being CC?
cinder storm
Stuns yea
lilac jay
So an albeit slower but more safe strategy is just to slow and kite. Nice to kno...
That’s the normal strategy. U facetsnk with wall / spellböock etc and stun so they don’t sync. Then kite. U can apply hamstring and run
cinder storm
But again, If you don't trust pugs, and you want to sit there, pop spellblock when they are around 40% in case they don't soothe them
sturdy locust
It's nice to know what options I have so I can adapt and not rely on one particular strategy 😄
Really great info everyone!
cinder storm
Logs
sweet summit
as effective as regular block unless you crit block then it's too effective
uses same formula as normal block
block / (block+K) iirc
orchid frigate
ah ok. thanks
cinder storm
Like on tsj, this week is safer to use spell reflect on sync first, shield wall and externals, then spellblock at the end
dry spear
The frontal r annoying and yeah hard too see. I was on adds too. Just stick righ...
I gotta try that. I was standing at the wall. Then move left. Then left again and circle around the add pack. I dont want to dodge and move accidentally in the ground effect and gerting stunned.
silent anchor
I gotta try that. I was standing at the wall. Then move left. Then left again an...
Aye once u get the hang of it it's fine
2nd pack with protodrake. U csn avoid the first bleed by HL away before the cast too the next pack. ThT way u take some pressure eoff healers for a bit
deep spruce
i was shield walling the first jade, spell block second, health pot 3rd, healths...
U should play double shield wall for that dungeon tbh
orchid frigate
have to admit that i get a bit triggered from this
deep spruce
The only time it is remotely hard hitting and annoying more than anything, is on the stairs, shouldn't be slapping that hard
How many stacks do u swap on?
orchid frigate
i love it when you have success with you defensives just to get hit by the outwards shooting thingies on the boss tho 
deep spruce
The outward shooting thingies?
orchid frigate
the four beams or what you call it
somehow i always manage to be in front of them
yeah
or well
not always
deep spruce
I don't feel like sennarth should be causing u much issue tbh, as long as your sb is up, and u use a defensive on the stairs, and if u go higher than 7 stacks. Me and co-tank generally aim for 5 to swap
wanton lance
we did 4-5 on prog
hardy snow
How does one deal with Void Slash in SBG.
They absolutely truck me on a +20. Sho...
I just take spell block and its ez
wanton lance
and on reclears were usually pretty comfy up to 7-8
feral nebula
How do you guys handle Orbs on HC Razageth? First one kick but what about 2nd one? Which Talent would you recommend to swap in this talent tree to get a 2nd interrupt? I would go for thundering clap but i didnt want to lose dmg on shout
feral nebula
mass interrupt doesnt work as i experienced
jagged pier
it does
sweet summit
why barbaric and why the one under
jagged pier
its just up for 1 set
sweet summit
jagged pier
its a usless talent on raz
hc
well yer u drop barbic and take stormbolt and put the other point in crit
and u drop disrupting shout
and taking battering ram
feral nebula
was aiming for more dmg with barbaric, is it that bad?
sweet summit
wrecking throw is really nice on razs
overwhelming rage is good qol
storm bolt is used for orb
battering ram > disrupting shout
and idk what you dropped ravager for but get ravager
sweet summit
a, yeah
jagged pier
i dont know why u would ever have that talent
didnt even notice he was wasnt rav
because
why arent u rav
sweet summit
idk lore on spellblock but prob fine i guess
feral nebula
thought it would be very nice survival, but i guess its not?^^
hardy snow
spell block on hc is not necessary
hardy snow
spell block + demo shot/SW is enough for beam in last phase to make group take low dmg
jagged pier
be in WF group
hardy snow
more dangerous is if some other player stand in front of drake for a moment :v
jagged pier
and have SW for every beam
feral nebula
i see.. is enduring generally bad? or only when theres less physical dmg and more magic?
sweet summit
feral nebula
so i can skip enduring on both talent trees? Endurance training and enduring alacrity
jagged pier
yes
feral nebula
like this then
sweet summit
leech
slow glacier
is there a list or something which shows/tells me which attacks of mobs/bosses can be SR/SB? i know most from experience but still good to see if im correct or not ^^
sweet summit
that looks better, but why do you not have cruel strikes. is that not the play for prot?
sweet summit
is there a list or something which shows/tells me which attacks of mobs/bosses c...
pins have sheet for sr/block/spell block
jagged pier
like this then
i mean i would drop bounding stride or honed reflexes for cruel strikes
feral nebula
i could use the one point for it instead of spell reflection
jagged pier
no
u drop bounding stride pain and gain or bounding stride for cruel strikes
u dont drop SR
jagged pier
oh whatever its early
sweet summit
it's 10am!!!
jagged pier
its no in real time land
sweet summit
"real time land" ok dude 👴
jagged pier
and when youve already worked over your hours for the week
jagged pier
"real time land" ok dude 👴
i think you'll find we made the time boundaries and time is taken from where i live
so yes
real time land
jagged pier
sweet summit
feral nebula
i mean i would drop bounding stride or honed reflexes for cruel strikes
i always thought honed reflexes is big for more dmg and fury
sweet summit
you already have so many resets where you're not waiting the full cd of ss
jagged pier
i always thought honed reflexes is big for more dmg and fury
its a very small gain
in ST
and only ST
sweet summit
i take leech because i like leech
jagged pier
as i said u can drop bounding stride or pain and gain as well
the issue is wrecking throw does far to much damage on raz to not take it
sweet summit
so u get more (poggers)
jagged pier
15% leech is bis
sweet summit
🥺
feral nebula
as i said u can drop bounding stride or pain and gain as well
yea im gonna drop bounding strike, was just wondering bout honed reflexes
Thank you a lot guys 🙂
barbaric training felt like sht to play anyways haha
sweet summit
which is a reason why we don't like it
feral nebula
which is a reason why we don't like it <:okayge:917646812519739433>
yeaaa, where can i join the "we hate barbaric" group? or am i already in?
jagged pier
i mean ive hated it since launch
feral nebula
When do you go for into the fray instead of heavy repercussions btw?
feral nebula
kk ty
amber siren
The smaller one
rough egret
Crit!
dry spear
The lesser stats or you can look at the element the gem have. Air. Frost. Earth and Fire. The Prinal gem does not affect the lariat
sick sentinel
is slam useless on prot warrior ? I'm currently level 17 and seems slam deals less damage than revenge for the same amount of rage spent while revenge also deals damage to more than one enemy, should I replace it ?
I'm kind of a noob so I am sorry if this ends up not making sense
sweet summit
it is very useless
sweet summit
blazing condor
sweet summit
i have many dead abilities irl so it makes sense 
sick sentinel
thank you
merry trout
398 ilvl mast/crit ring vs 389 haste/vers ring w/gem for M+
shud i stick with the haste ring?
jagged pier
yes
merry trout
aight, ty
real kelp
Hello fellow Warrior's.
How are you all dealing with the Piercing Shards Debuff from the AV Stoneguys? Having a hard time surviving and looking for a different perspective.
warm plinth
Stop it from casting in the first place. Spell Block if you're out of stops
real kelp
So Spellreflect the First.
AoE Stun the second.
Single Stun the third.
Then Spellblock the Rest.
warm plinth
Well it's not reflectable. idk what key level you're doing but it's going to hurt on anything relevant
Intimidating Shout works on them as well
real kelp
Isn't it? The Spellreflect WA always keeps lighting up on it.
real kelp
Well you learn something every Day thanks
jagged pier
SR will reduce damage of it
warm plinth
yeah sorry I just meant you'd probably need a bigger defensive than that
real kelp
So then stop it first Spellreflect the first ones for reduction and the Spellblock the high stacks
warm plinth
You should aim to stop as many as possible. Your group needs to help
like the counterplay is to stop it. Using CDs on it is the last resort
steep wraith
Reflect alone won't do much, use spell block when casts won't get stopped.
You've got 20 seconds of spell block, after stopping the first casts and then spellblocking the mobs should be dead before it drops off. If they aren't, you should have your stuns back to stop the casts again.
real kelp
You should aim to stop as many as possible. Your group needs to help
Yeah sure I'm just talking my pov now what I can do
warm plinth
Shockwave 1st, Intim 2nd, SR/Demo or SR/wall 3rd, shockwave 4th, spell block after that probably
steep wraith
Stormbolt and if you're pugging can use shield charge on them.
real kelp
Thank you all for your input much appreciated
mental scarab
Does guys are scary 
stuck basin
you can line of sight the pierce shard casts on some packs - not in the ring oc course - but if you play the start room 3 guys you can use the entrance to dont get dmg after run out of stops
dense coral
Hi fam, ive crafted the lariat necklace. How does it work exactly with the gem emb?
Ive 1x fierce diamond gem (str+haste on ring) other gear is gemmed with haste+vers. Am I good or do I need to change it up.
grim glen
what do i give up in the class tree to pick up intervene for M+?
jagged pier
u dont
grim glen
heard it makes wolf boss in HoV easier since u can just intervene the person so wanted to try it, but couldn't think of what to take out lol
limber temple
Yeah take it if you have a pumper in the group you know wont scoot away to keep their uptime otherwise its easier to let the girly ones run off a pull a pack of wolfs.
jagged pier
but u drop like bounding stride or pain and gain i guess
well depends what talents u ahve
jagged pier
no u dont drop a stop
limber temple
I jest I jest 😂
fallow nova
Stops do zero dps tho
lusty tiger
Sbolt does damage and swave does damage and gives rage
fallow nova
Not as much damage as ss
tawny badger
Stops do zero dps tho
But they do the thing
fallow nova
The thing is killing the enemy
Only dps does that
Every moment you spend in an instance is a moment where you haven't done enough dps
(I'm practicing my pug impersonation this morning)
tawny badger
😂😅
orchid frigate
i like to play my own keys a lot, but downside is when you keep getting same keys over and over
modest grove
Do you guys know if there’s an in-depth tank guide for the broodkeeper? I dont understand the path for the egg breaking mechanic
modest grove
Heroic, 2 warriors
modest grove
Tyvm
undone verge
Do you guys know if there’s an in-depth tank guide for the broodkeeper? I dont u...
I just remember it as 3 on the outside clockwise, then you go to the middle, hit the one next to where you started, back to middle, then basically back to where you left off clockwise around the room
modern brook
Good mnemonic
uncut notch
boys, my friend simmed his pwar, and for some reason its showing yuge melee damage
But in reality
why does simc think melee is so strong?
uncut notch
the sim is a patchwerk 7 min to try and match to the log that was approx 6.5 mins of m terros
uncut notch
Simc stacks devestaror
So its a bug?
modern brook
No
Look at simc
There's no value for deveatator
Look at your log
There is a value for devestator
Add them to the melee
modern brook
heady sapphire
how can I sim possible recrafts with the 11-15/heroic infusion?
or just pick lowest ilvl and forget?
hardy snow
isn't third egg in 3rd pack way off to left? I think its ccloser to the edge in the game
heady sapphire
isn't third egg in 3rd pack way off to left? I think its ccloser to the edge in ...
yep, I haven't seen a map which has precise eggs yet
hardy snow
yea, but this one is pretty good, except this 3rd pack
jagged pier
how can I sim possible recrafts with the 11-15/heroic infusion?
gear compare
heady sapphire
gear compare
ty
tardy plaza
I know theres likely bis but this is more of a Curiosity question,
What trinkets do ya’ll like running with most often in m+
(not including incarnate sense theres no garuntee someone else has it)
dusky fable
i run incarn + either torch or an aoe trinket
depending on run and if its tyran / fort
sick sentinel
would you rather use this or spell block in most situations ?
fallow nova
How do we want to sim for m+? I'm told dungeon slice is NOT the way to go.
craggy pilot
How do we want to sim for m+? I'm told dungeon slice is NOT the way to go.
just do patchwerk with 5 bosses
fallow nova
Cool beans
round pendant
would you rather use this or spell block in most situations ?
Spell block is useful in some raid fights or m+ dungeons, most of the time you'll use tough as nails
gaunt cairn
Weird question about alts; Is it a good idea to alt Fury on the same character as you're maining Prot ? Or should I really make a second char?
slim dove
gearing is simple. go ahead
plush tendon
Weird question about alts; Is it a good idea to alt Fury on the same character a...
totally fine; I still recommend gearing for fury though (like gems, enchants and crafted stuff)
and then using whatever you have left over for prot
gaunt cairn
totally fine; I still recommend gearing for fury though (like gems, enchants and...
In the sense that your dps as a fury is more important stats wise, but then that haste/crit/vers will work fine when switched to prot ?
lime patrol
how are dps able to need on all totem
gaunt cairn
My worry is mainly about stats prio
plush tendon
Haste is the most important for Prot War
cloud tide
how csn i see specific talents used on a certant boss by top parsers?
plush tendon
follow your Fury stat prio
and if you have gear left over you could optimize for prot, do that
but always optimize for a DPS spec>Tank spec
plush tendon
how are dps able to need on all totem
they set their loot spec to a tank spec
lime patrol
summer adder
Icon and tier chest in vault. Is icon still more value due to rarity, or just go for the ilvl bump? I just started playing warrior btw 🙂
solemn current
Depends on the ilvl I guess? If it’s a good icon I’d take that, you can always farm a chest out of M+
summer adder
Ow sorry.. its all normal gear 😉
solemn current
^
summer adder
Thanks! 😄
summer adder
and nice ilvl boop now
plush tendon
can you upgrade it or is it a raid chest?
summer adder
raid chest
plush tendon
yea, raid chest prob better; didnt register that you still gearing
should help you push more content faster for more gear
summer adder
Thank you kindly!
dusty mica
Tanked a 13 NO last night at ~380 ilvl and was getting absolutely smoked by those mobs around the storm boss that deal 50% extra auto dmg as nature damage. How should I handle those mobs? Just spell reflect?
At least I think thats what was trucking me
sick sentinel
dont feel too bad
i tried 4 rlp keys this week 10 12 14 and 15,
every single one except the 10, CHAIN WIPE FEST
even i get kicked out 15 cuz we are fighting this pull, and ranged stands where dragon lands it pulls, wipe, attack it again, wipe, kicked, lmao
sick sentinel
killing that pack seems to usually end with hes at landing spot number 2, its possible that he's coded to land at spot 2 when you kill the destroyer possibly
vast goblet
Gotta pull it al up the stairs and everyone needs to follow
sick sentinel
pack still fights the same way, your still avoiding shit interupting cinderbolts, but your fighting from east to west instead of from north to south if that makes sense
dusty mica
I've always just pulled it up the stairs
else someone ass pulls the dragon and inevitably 2-3 people get dragon breathed
sick sentinel
i do it pretty much exactly like the picture
i put 3 high visibility color world markers to help try to show that spot
round pendant
Pulling it up the stairs has the added benefit of dragging your lazy ranged dps with you
round pendant
Annoying when no one interrupts the cinders tho and it just sits there casting 24/7
vast goblet
You just need to communicate
sick sentinel
EVERYTHING trash kills you this week
vast goblet
Tell everyone before hand to go up the stairs or stand within markers.
lusty tiger
EVERYTHING trash kills you this week
be immortal-er
round pendant
You just need to communicate
I've had all 3 dps players blatantly ignore me telling them to interrupt the caster so it follows me up the stairs
light fulcrum
Hey, i heard of a "cheese" for Hyrja, HoV, where you drag her into light side, while she casts eye of the storm. Can anyone walk me through that pls? 🙂
round pendant
Makes me wish I was a paladin in those moments
vast goblet
Ohh I just interrupt it myself tbh
sick sentinel
im strong, but i cant stand 704k dmg
round pendant
yeah but it won't run the whole distance before casting again
sick sentinel
thats like thanos snap
lusty tiger
im strong, but i cant stand 704k dmg
what hit u for that much?
sick sentinel
like, he literaly deleted the entire group with 1 ability simulatanouesly
not even like, 1 guy died another 2 seconds later
like a piece of allumium in a micorwave
vast goblet
At what key level?
lusty tiger
like a piece of allumium in a micorwave
have you tried this before?
sick sentinel
at a 12 i think, we talked about it on discord after it happend and seemd like we didnt have dmg to break shield
sick sentinel
have you tried this before?
no, i've seen microwaves do some crazy shit before though, scary fuckers them
vast goblet
Gotta get the little cloud guys down I believe that’s what his shield is based off of
lusty tiger
^
sick sentinel
we didnt have a belf or he didnt use it or, someone didnt know/didnt do it or people already dead some how
lusty tiger
RIP
tropic tangle
had the opposite experience, did a 19 last night and felt like we could've timed a 21/22
5.5 min left and we were using drums instead of actual lust
peak herald
Hey little question here, i dont have chance get mythic level of trinkets, is for me still worth use hc version or m+ 415-421 will be better ?
tropic tangle
hc all totem is very good in M+
peak herald
ok so 408il is still better then 421 of m+ trinkets right ?
hardy snow
hc whispering is quite good as well if rest of your party have it also
crystal mauve
Hey little question here, i dont have chance get mythic level of trinkets, is fo...
I'm using Whetstone and Hoof, double on use can be clunky sometimes but it works quite well. Tbh when I see people with the wrong talent/trinket time 25+ keys I just conclude that I gotta get good and worry less about itemisation 🫤
whole vortex
Quick question, we can still block and parry while using grieftoch right?
crystal mauve
Quick question, we can still block and parry while using grieftoch right?
As far as I know you can't since you are channeling
hardy snow
I'm using Whetstone and Hoof, double on use can be clunky sometimes but it works...
what do you mean by "wrong trinket"?
solar sandal
no
hardy snow
alot of people are running with just what they got
whole vortex
Guess I'll die, all my trinkets suck
lusty tiger
Luckily you can easily farm bis trinkets
plush tendon
tbf, if you are doing 25s at this point
whole vortex
Not with my luck 😎
plush tendon
youve probably have had the chance to get a better trinket
crystal mauve
what do you mean by "wrong trinket"?
I mean trinket that are not recommended by anyone like the Ruby or Enduring scale
hardy snow
I mean trinket that are not recommended by anyone like the Ruby or Enduring scal...
and what if those are the only trinkets they managed to get so far?
lusty tiger
Not with my luck 😎
Are you in prot loot spec?
hardy snow
should they vendor them?
vast goblet
Trinkets not what’s holding people back from doing high keys
lusty tiger
should they vendor them?
Yes
whole vortex
Ofc not, always in arms loot spec
torpid junco
Any tips on surging severing slash in academy ?
lusty tiger
Any tips on surging severing slash in academy ?
Use stops on it
hardy snow
Ofc not, always in arms loot spec
fury is better if you are still looking for a 1h wep 😉
lusty tiger
Any tips on surging severing slash in academy ?
Also parry it- skill issue
crystal mauve
and what if those are the only trinkets they managed to get so far?
I think you are reading my first comment wrong, I'm saying they are good and don't need any specific itemisation, while I'm bad and can't time a 25, even with "proper" trinkets lol
plush tendon
^
whole vortex
I don't need advice on how to farm 
I'm 2700. I just didn't get torch until yesterday and have no other good options to pair with wethstone
lusty tiger
I don't need advice on how to farm <:keks:936231610850897992> I'm 2700. I just ...
Hoof?
plush tendon
Grieftorch still bussin though
hardy snow
I think you are reading my first comment wrong, I'm saying they are good and don...
oh, I fully agree on that just wording of "wrong trinket" is quite silly imo :p
plush tendon
just gotta be carful with when you use it
whole vortex
No hoof
lusty tiger
Grieftorch still bussin though
Semi troll for a tank
whole vortex
Anyway, I got my answer, back to work I go
fallow nova
I mean trinket that are not recommended by anyone like the Ruby or Enduring scal...
People tend to follow guides
And guides show things like this
lusty tiger
Yikes
fallow nova
That's wowhead
fallow nova
It's the overview, which is what a lot of people will likely look into first
lusty tiger
Wowhead guide is outdated
sick sentinel
those trinkets would be great if you had 1 or both fire rings
and fire belt
nvm i thought it was totem, not the icon
plush tendon
I mean there are worst combos then Deco and Icon
and both are fairly easy trinkets to get on Mythic if you dont raid
All-Totem a bit trickier (at least the 421 version)
sick sentinel
or, no, that could be either item, never mind it is the icon, icon has 2 yellow lightnings on the left
lusty tiger
There is a significant amount of new people who ask about the wowhead guide in here
sick sentinel
cough cough someone go fix the wowhead version up to date plz
doesn't help we got asmongold trying to run and depleting his 20's with BT
lusty tiger
*cough cough someone go fix the wowhead version up to date plz*
from what i understand, wowhead hires someone to make the guide
fallow nova
I thought the person they hired is on here lol
lusty tiger
yeah
but they must have their own reasons for not updating it
i would just blame wowhead tbh
dusty mica
https://raider.io/characters/us/exodar/Chwinga
Any recommendations on and order for spending valor and eventually upgrading crafted items on my warr? Kinda thinking that I should just start tanking higher keys to get higher ilvl gear before spending valor, at 5k banked right now
the legs could get upgraded right now I suppose
trying to get some gloves to catalyst so I can equip the cos chest
lusty tiger
https://raider.io/characters/us/exodar/Chwinga
Any recommendations on and order...
some slots give more str:valor than others i think so i would prioritize those
plush tendon
https://raider.io/characters/us/exodar/Chwinga
Any recommendations on and order...
would upgrading the gear help you start timing things with high I level loot?
if so, upgrade now
valor is upcapped
lusty tiger
dungeon loot is mostly scuffed
tropic tangle
yeah, just get your ilvl up and tank higher keys
your best gear is goign to come from vault
plush tendon
youll have to run more dungeons, but hey, you need to do 60 of them for all the crafted pieces anyways
XD
tropic tangle
so doing higher keys = better vault loot
dusty mica
oof lol, yeah true. Get into the 16 range asap is smart I suppose
lusty tiger
oof lol, yeah true. Get into the 16 range asap is smart I suppose
390 should be good enough
plush tendon
for upgrading: Shield then Wep should be prio (or get a crafted)
dusty mica
some slots give more str:valor than others i think so i would prioritize those
trying to find an info dump on this if its out there
dusty mica
for upgrading: Shield then Wep should be prio (or get a crafted)
I'm wearing a crafted 1h but I have a double strike weap of the same ilvl in bags, andi have a spark to craft a shield but it'd be the same ilvl as my current shield
plush tendon
once you start doing more 11s
tropic tangle
need to get in higher keys
tropic tangle
get primal focus, then conc primal focus
plush tendon
shield is prio number 1
tropic tangle
with valor uncapped, vaults from 16s are only ok
plush tendon
you could probably start timing 16s with a 405 shield
dusty mica
its that important?
plush tendon
yea
tropic tangle
but the conc primal focus can get you 418s, with enough IO you can upgrade valor drops to 415
dusty mica
should i just valor upgrade my AV shield at that point?
grave flower
What are your other 5 pieces?
dusty mica
weap, ring, neck, belt, unused
plush tendon
max crafted shield I level is 418, max dungeon shield with valor and IO is 415
plush tendon
right now, you in the early stages of gearing up; so really whatever power gains you can get will help you get a bigger and bigger vault and start timing some bigger keys
dusty mica
yeah the plan is to use hat spark on a shield once i can make it at something higher than 392 since i have a nice 392 shield currently
plush tendon
youll also get flooded with valor since you are probably going to be doing lots of keys
and getting extra valor for new timed keys
grave flower
Eh
dusty mica
I was farming valor with my own key when i hit 70, just dropping the key and spamming low keys
plush tendon
I wouldnt worry bout that right now; get into the 11-15 range
dusty mica
kinda done with that I think though
plush tendon
and chill in there for primal chaos+higher I level drops+valor
dusty mica
yeah, smart
plush tendon
then as soon as you can get into the 16+ range with no issue, stay in there
plush tendon
are you pugging?
plush tendon
yea, pumping I level right now would help with getting invites
dusty mica
being a prot warr helps too
dusty mica
had a question before that didnt really get answered.. in NO theres those adds near the storm boss that do bonus nature damage autos. They were wrecking me, what do I do tehre? Stun and use spell reflect? kite?
plush tendon
Yea, youll have to use some DR stuff if the damage intake is too high
Spell Reflect gives 20% magic DR
SW
Last stand
shockwave and kite around
lusty tiger
had a question before that didnt really get answered.. in NO theres those adds n...
you only gain threat when you have DRs up and running or the mobs are CCd- otherwise you need to hard kite them
dusty mica
ok cool, jsut making sure i wasnt doing something horribly wrong
now I know to save CDs for those mobs in particular
lusty tiger
ok cool, jsut making sure i wasnt doing something horribly wrong
basically- you dont really get to dps that pack
dusty mica
ok i can handle that lol
thank you
gained 3 ilvls from that valor, its something lol
crystal mauve
I'm considering not doing this pack anymore in higher keys as it's quite a hard pull for the % you get. I'm not sure how much ass pulling that will involve during the boss tho
plush tendon
We still do it; the risk of a accidentally pull seems too high for the reward
lusty tiger
I'm considering not doing this pack anymore in higher keys as it's quite a hard ...
+20 fort it went fine
crystal mauve
+20 fort it went fine
We did it in my last 22 too but I definetely needed Def stance/SW then Reflect to stay alive. They hurt way to much for what they look like 😢
crystal mauve
gives them *giga* nature dmg on-hit
Is it only when the shield is active? I though it was like a permanent aura they have that deadl 50% of their damage as magic. Or does the shield double dip on this?
slim dove
I forget actually, I may be wrong
crystal mauve
The shield deals damage only if it expires. The 50% nature damage is an aura that can't be removed
slim dove
i just dont pull waterfall elementals, ever.
just pull 2 more mobs in 3rd zone and chill
crystal mauve
What about the patrol around the boss? This is waht we were talkingabout
slim dove
ah
just blow everything lul
entire dungeon is sleeper for tank until that cringe pack
crystal mauve
This and the first area with double bleed can hurt
dusty mica
What gives bleeds in the first area? heh
dusty mica
ok thanks
Roughly how big of an absorb shield does IP grant? It goes up with stats right? Like 100k?
I'm using Aefnar's WAs and I feel like every time I use IP it shows a full IP shield, didn't think that was how it worked. Thought you had to stack them up to a full shield
deft mortar
fk me man
crystal mauve
Roughly how big of an absorb shield does IP grant? It goes up with stats right? ...
up to 30% of your total HP (15% per application)
plush tendon
dont worry about IP: just press IP to dump rage
deft mortar
why is there 0 fkn healers
plush tendon
why is there 0 fkn healers
quacking sucks
dusty mica
up to 30% of your total HP (15% per application)
ahh ok 15% per
crystal mauve
they just get boosted anyway
Feels like you are playing with bad healers, this season healer are carrying us quite hard considering the keys and affixes
deft mortar
by default healers are worse players than dps
crystal mauve
I'm using Aefnar's WAs and I feel like every time I use IP it shows a full IP sh...
They might only show only 15% of the total IP value and not the full 30%?
rose cobalt
by default healers are worse players than dps
Wild
crystal mauve
by default healers are worse players than dps
What do you mean healer are worse than dps? They are not fulfillingthe same job
deft mortar
the only real job is to dps rest are just about meeiting minimum requirements
for tanks too
idk about raids this is for M+
vagrant oracle
I mean at that point, we’re all just meeting minimum requirements lol
plush tendon
I dont know how to tell you this, but healing is probably the hardest role this season: there are lots of mechs and high damage intake fights/pulls
crystal mauve
I feel like you are not doing high enough keys for the healer to show how much they are carrying keys in some cases. You might just be playing with trash healers tho
plush tendon
where its all on the healer
deft mortar
I mean look how many more dps competition there is compared with healer
paper nexus
I dont know how to tell you this, but healing is probably the hardest role this ...
You say that yet ppl are running healerless runs
crystal mauve
You say that yet ppl are running healerless runs
You've seen two videos of Zemok doing something crazy and sudenly healer are not a thing anymore? lol
rose cobalt
Yeah tons of 1 tank 4 dps in mdi
plush tendon
You say that yet ppl are running healerless runs
i think we can ignore the exception
plush tendon
doesnt really apply
rose cobalt
The strawmen are absurd, yall definitely eat arcane bash in AV
slim dove
1 prot pal and 4 rogues is different then 1 guardian druid and 4 marks hunters.
deft mortar
Do rogues have leech?
slim dove
yes
slim dove
and can immune every mechanic