fr fr if they gave us a earthwarder dracthyr tank spec?
#protection
daring marlin
prisma crane
fr fr if they gave us a earthwarder dracthyr tank spec?
could be cool, but i really want the other race instead though 😦
modest grove
Warriors, has anyone yet experienced mythic raid pugging?
chilly brook
I honestly don't mind evoker
other than the twink boi physique/face shape they have in dragon form
strong forum
I've pugged mythic raid yes
chilly brook
but as far as transmog is concerned the visage form is good enough for me
chilly brook
not paying crazy attention to my xmog in combat 
modest grove
When you can pug 18+ mythic, pugging heroic raid it’s like …useless for the vault
rain light
i should try pugging the first 2 mythic raid bosses
subtle sparrow
I didn't even complete the HC raid
rain light
havent even stepped into the raid this season
tulip kelp
pugging raid has been so easy
I got AOTC like 2-3 weeks in.. its crazy there's guilds still progging h rasz lol
toxic pewter
Pugs better than guild
mighty valley
early pugs are sometimes just mythic raider alts lol
naive panther
First two mythic are easy just make sure everyone is 2/8 and geared.
modest grove
First two mythic are easy just make sure everyone is 2/8 and geared.
2/8 heroic?
dawn canyon
naive panther
No 2/8 mythic. If you've never done it join one of the prog groups or just make your own.
sick sentinel
its happening guys, i took off spell block and now also using resonance cascade inting shout back on bars
i dunno exactly why it is, but is
warm plinth
what the heck is resonance cascade
sick sentinel
a horrible ficitional disaster
slim dove
he doesn't know why it is, but is 🤌
sick sentinel
science experiment gone horribly wrong
to the point it summons aliens who cause war with humans, that lasts for 7 hours before earth surrenders
it's like what deathwing did with the catacylsm, it's on that level of threat
warm plinth
yogi are you okay bud
odd nimbus
guys i see everyone swapped to hr instead of itf for mythic plus even having 35 percent or more haste,i dont understand can someone please elaborate?
sick sentinel
these talents i mena
warm plinth
guys i see everyone swapped to hr instead of itf for mythic plus even having 35 ...
Who is everyone? And you should've been using HR in keys to begin with.
sick sentinel
i took them into a 14 tjs, i fucked up one of the jss's i had SR ready didnt use it
warm plinth
And you need 35% haste BEFORE talents, not with ItF/Wild Strikes
sick sentinel
but, the healer was very impressed with our group, even from start talking about how we did mechanic and interupt
warm plinth
Which is not easy to get
odd nimbus
i got the 35 percent,but still,by everyone i mean people that i checked over raider io
sick sentinel
just get this, its called, true stat values
no more need to argue about what the "cap is"
modest grove
So the cap is 22% haste?
modest grove
Kek
warm plinth
Not reachable
warm plinth
That's not true either
sick sentinel
whatever word you want to use
warm plinth
How are you determining that
Theoretically you would stop focusing haste (after ilevel) at the 40% mark, which is basically unreachable with current gear.
40% from rating, not after talents.
sick sentinel
no, there is no cap on stats or, there is, but you cant reach it
nobody outside of devs will ever reach maximum allowable stat in 1 stat
because you go through i dunno how many "gates" "thresholds" "barriers" it is, but its at least 2-3
warm plinth
sick sentinel
thats the picture and words/numbers i was thinking about
sick sentinel
but i didnt want to specify for sure, incase i sounded retarded again, spewing information, wrong values or break points or amount of break points, what its called etc
warm plinth
We don't care about the 10% penalty. It's not significant and haste is that good that we're not bothered by it.
warm plinth
We stop at the 40% mark (6970 is 40%, which is the 7k Nome is talking about)
sick sentinel
according to this addon
sick sentinel
170 for 1% i think
warm plinth
That's how much haste you need for 1% before diminishing returns
strong forum
That's just how many points you need to get 1%
sick sentinel
170 haste in this case
sick sentinel
full 1.00%, rounded
warm plinth
Yes
strong forum
Ye
warm plinth
But mastery points are different per spec,
strong forum
Mastery has a hidden System
warm plinth
In some cases 180 mastery may be 1%, in others it might not
sick sentinel
so, 170 might be word 1.03% haste
warm plinth
Well, yeah that's true. Wild Strikes, Enduring Alacrity, ItF would all impact it
sick sentinel
i don't take enduring alcarity, i'm doing FV
warm plinth
You shouldn't
But it would affect haste is what we're saying
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-mastery-works-world-of-warcraft mastery system explanation if anyone cares (ignore the ratings at the top; those are SL values)
It's 6783 for 39% and 6987 for 40%
It doesn't devalue haste. It makes it require more haste per point.
sick sentinel
well crap, i just read what wild strikes does
warm plinth
So from 30-39, it requires 187 (170 x 1.1) haste per %
sick sentinel
and now i know why i want more crit
strong forum
Both come to the same outcome
You require 170 more haste from 30% to 40%
Than from 20% to 30%
340 more haste from 40% to 50%
Which is why it's okay to go to 40%
Cuz it's not meaningful enough
10% DR isn't strong enough to care
Going into 20% DR terrotitory however isn't
(not like that's possible anyway)
strong forum
If I forego all cantrip items
Then you could get close
But since tierset, embellishments and eragon ring are a thing
No such luck
warm plinth
the 40% isn't a number you need to worry about this season. Next season is a different story.
sick sentinel
lets stop as second and wtf is a cantrip, a free cast?
warm plinth
Cantrip = special effect item
strong forum
Cantrip refers to items with special effects
sick sentinel
i am a shooter nerd not a a rpg nerd
warm plinth
trinkets, proc weapons, proc rings, etc.
sick sentinel
i like shooty bang guns and rockets and plasma rifles and snipers and nukes
strong forum
I like being up close and personal
warm plinth
Same. I always play seismic slam barb in D3 
warm plinth
I do like the whirlwind build too, but something about that slam is just awesome to me
sick sentinel
Same. I always play seismic slam barb in D3 <a:hmmNod:940376932560822372>
bowazon is in hell now
closest i can get to a gun
warm plinth
I should get back into D3 🤔 I think the last season is coming up? Or started already maybe
warm plinth
I believe so, yes
sick sentinel
137 base dmg
warm plinth
Is that Diablo 2 or something?
sick sentinel
yeah, i play it whenver servers go down or i don't have sub
thick finch
D4 is amazing
warm plinth
I wasn't going to because it's so expensive, but a friend bought it for me 
sick sentinel
don't make diablo a pussy or a pushover is my message
he might as well be the devil
sick sentinel
see what happens lol
i might just get whatever the latest 6 month sub thing on wow is, go from there
errant leaf
guys hoof or big toe ?
zealous kelp
Hey any tips where and when what stance should I use?
mighty valley
Default to battle stance, use dstance like a cooldown for big tank hits
Like, you can swap into it for the Hyrja blast, then swap back to battle stance after
zealous kelp
That sounds good, but isn't the offensive stance outperformed by healer being able to damage more instead of me being in defensive stance?
*offensive
scenic mural
No
zealous kelp
Alright thanks I will use battle stance much more onwards
prisma flame
do you guys try to pair D Roar with Shield Charge if possible
like if they are 6 secs away
mighty valley
demo shout? yeah, those two should sync up naturally
sturdy panther
Ok I have some questions about Ruby Whelp Shell (Trinket) for M+.
https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-train-your-ruby-whelp-shell-very-high-damage-or-stat-trinket-330947
^This writeup for the trinket states that they trained it on ST with Fire Shot and it performed really well. They also tested the stat buff and said it had a 16% uptime in keys.
But what about the Lobbing Fire Nova? Does anyone have any insight into how that does in keys when fully trained up? Or what do yall train your whelps for in keys?
vernal vale
do you guys try to pair D Roar with Shield Charge if possible
throw both on CD don't normally hold them
sturdy panther
❤️ ok thank you!
forest tulip
dps dies to 2nd boss in AV during the orbs phase, proceeds to flame me for being a bad tank. 
tacit solstice
Imagine haha
sick whale
Hi guys, did anyone here craft the eng bracers with bress tinker? (well, probably someone did)
sick sentinel
dunno why, but logs it shows i had 83% uptime of shield block, and then i look in details for that dungeon and it says 89% sb
warm plinth
Logs is including downtime between pulls and shit
sick sentinel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R3Jzhc8TbqFXBd4Y/#fight=last&type=auras&source=1 this is a 14 tjs i did today anyways, details claims 89% sb, logs says 83%, gunna go look at results again, i ran it without spell block because i was making the cookie cutter build, and its fort 14 key, even with that tank buster 3rd boss, only did 3/4 my hp when i fumbled not reflect it
bold olive
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R3Jzhc8TbqFXBd4Y/#fight=last&type=auras&sou...
A lot of unblocked hits.
toxic pewter
dps dies to 2nd boss in AV during the orbs phase, proceeds to flame me for being...
I would wipe it then go again and literally align boss to azure slice that individual and then just laugh
slim dove
sick sentinel
if you guys want to keep seieing yogi logs, let me know
wanton bridge
Im a bear main playing a bit of prot in keys (only like 2700 or so atm), was wondering what the deal with the opener on an AoE pull is with all my CDs up?
ATM I'm going Charge (Avatar while charging) > Thunder Clap > Shield Charge > Ravager > Thunderous Roar > Demo Shout then going into Revenge / Thunderclap spam until Avatar runs out (and obvs keeping up SB and IP when needed) - does this sound about right?
My issue atm is I def feel way more tanky than my bear despite being 10 ilvls lower (410 vs 420) but I do a decent chunk less damage overall so Im trying to fix that :/
sterile bough
I pref to do charge -> ss >shieldblock > tc
toxic pewter
I usually toss ravager before charge, avatar during charge, TC, sb, demo shout, TR, SC
wanton bridge
gotcha
sterile bough
just find a nice opening for urself that u find most comfly
wanton bridge
Ill have a play with it 🙂 I just want to do big dam so I can park my bear in M+ for the season lol
toxic pewter
Do demo shout before tr and sc you’ll do more dam
sterile bough
if u have trouble on opener think about changing ti
wanton bridge
Do demo shout before tr and sc you’ll do more dam
kk, I was under the impression so long as it lasted the remaining duration of Ravager and TR it was fine - little mistakes haha
I was toying with the idea of warrior then I did back to back 22 AVs on PWar and Bear and it is actually dumb how much better PWar felt and I have no fucking idea what I was doing lol
forest tulip
then i go again for another AV. the party lead, a DH, triggers the 2nd whelp sentry and causes a wipe then makes a snide remark towards me and leaves
like i know im not the best tank but man, these dps
toxic pewter
🤔
lone eagle
Nothing wrong with doing buttons before your opener
A lot of people hear opener and think it means "literally the first buttons you do" but if you're gathering a pull it doesn't make sense to do it until you're "set up"
Just a quick TC and Revenge or w/e before blasting makes sense
wanton bridge
Just a quick TC and Revenge or w/e before blasting makes sense
I think this is what I need to do - I do have threat issues as my DH is used to me being on bear and just goes fucking mental on the damage and rips threat
(Not implying that Bear has better AoE threat than War, Im just better at Bear and more comfortable)
I think opening with TC and Revenge etc, then doing the "opener" will help
depending on how spread out the pull is
lone eagle
ayy M Diurna down
slim dove
lone eagle
We fell crazy behind this tier due to deaths/healer roster instability
fast knot
Is there a weakaura for Kurog transition?
lone eagle
were 178 on primal council for US but lost like 200 places across terros/sennarth/kurog
boss dam
fast knot
Playing the guessing game on 96/97 is kind of tilting
serene narwhal
So, I'm never going to set foot into Mythic, and even tanking heroic is... questionable for me, but I am gunning for 2.5k M+ rating, and I've been trying to figure out which gear to go for something vaguely BiS.
lusty tiger
some NO cpm vibes
warm plinth
Neither of those trinkets are that great for M+ (unless everyone in your group is also running icon)
serene narwhal
Fair enough, Why gloves over chest?
warm plinth
Because neither have haste, and you'd rather the lower stat budget piece not have haste instead of the higher stat budget piece
serene narwhal
Make's sense! Thanks!
warm plinth
Trinkets should be whetstone and all-totem
serene narwhal
Thanks! Was just about to ask
fallow nova
Is grieftorch preferable to icon in m+? I'm on over 50 CoS runs and whetstone is a myth.
warm plinth
Grieftorch is...troublesome? Like in lower keys it's fine but in high keys that 2 seconds of no blocking can be really bad.
warm plinth
Yeah, you can generally use it on bosses without much concern because you're probably getting meleed once or something while it's casting
serene narwhal
I'm assuming Crafted chestpiece, then?
warm plinth
But on trash you could be taking a bunch of unblocked melees
fallow nova
I've got deco at a lower ilvl
warm plinth
I'm assuming Crafted chestpiece, then?
Yeah, or inferno breastplate from CoS or riverbed chestguard from TJS
cosmic olive
noawh did cos 20 with this
limber flame
just need a shield
lone eagle
Is grieftorch preferable to icon in m+? I'm on over 50 CoS runs and whetstone is...
Grieftorch is fine you just want to blow a CD before doing it
in high keys
Demo Shout or Shield Wall are probably enough
slim dove
cos has 0 tank damage.
vernal vale
also a good group can do amazing things
lone eagle
I'd say Grieftorch is preferable only because it has mainstat
and mainstat is kind of king
Whetstone does really good in spite of its mastery
fallow nova
That's fair. I rarely need wall so popping it with torch seems easy enough
slim dove
mastery isn't bad for us.
lone eagle
It isn't bad
fallow nova
The alternative would be icon at 3ilvl lower
slim dove
so why say * in spite *
fallow nova
Or dragon games equipment, which I'm kinda sick of lol
lone eagle
but secondary stat trinkets are always fighting an uphill battle against mainstat ones
fallow nova
I like my Hoof
lone eagle
hoof was one of those trinkets that I was like "Damn this is great"
and then I used it a bunch and was really disappointed
Currently just running Whetstone until I get a good mythic Grieftorch
fallow nova
I've largely given up on ever finding whetstone unless I luck out on a vault. Multiple days dedicated to literally just hunting down CoS groups to run through and I've never seen it drop lol
lone eagle
I keep looting them like candy lmao
Pwar had to work to get his
my Brew has looted 3 in the last 2 weeks in my 0-hero speed gear key spam
warm plinth
My hpal healer got a 421 whetstone in vault 
fallow nova
Go figure
lone eagle
bear got H grieftorch and M Eranog ring his first week
so he don't give af bout whetstone lmao
round pendant
Grieftorch is...troublesome? Like in lower keys it's fine but in high keys that...
That's when you shockwave first
or use it on casts during bosses where they're not meleeing
Never had an issue with it tbh
lusty tiger
2:07 off a +21 AA
round pendant
Tragedy
lusty tiger
our rsham did 28k dps overall lol
round pendant
That's almost as much as a mage I had the other day
warm plinth
Why didn't someone kick it 👀
tacit solstice
2:07 off a +21 AA
I was 13 seconds off a 22 because some hunter died every boss and had hp pot and walls every time:(
Better luck next time
tulip kelp
Yeah 20 secs off a 22 jade temple last night. Our DH spent like 4 mins trying to jump over the wall before 3rd boss before giving up and running back lol
cloud umbra
lusty tiger
tree boss without a dispel was interesting
i timed my first +20 then we decided to just run the +21
violet flume
man was enrage affix always +50%? wasnt it +30% in legion?
the damage boost when everything gets low oof
fathom goblet
Rshaman dps is insane
tacit solstice
tree boss without a dispel was interesting
If you have a group that stuns / slows it's super easy
warm plinth
man was enrage affix always +50%? wasnt it +30% in legion?
No, it was 100% in Legion, then got nerfed to 75% in 9.1, then to 50% in 9.1.5
violet flume
i see, doesnt make me feel like doing jade temple lmao
halcyon dust
tree boss without a dispel was interesting
Dwarf first; cooldowns/externals for second.
lusty tiger
Dwarf first; cooldowns/externals for second.
am a troll
halcyon dust
am a troll
Reroll dwarf, dwarf first; cooldowns/externals for second.
😉
lusty tiger
I* survived fine
last mason
if someone is guaranteeing a craft with inspo can i buy cheaper mats
halcyon dust
I* survived fine
Ah, just giving hard time 🙂
lusty tiger
Ah, just giving hard time 🙂
hehe XD
slow harbor
got an alchemical flavor pocket from my soup bag, what a day
lusty tiger
big time
warm plinth
got an alchemical flavor pocket from my soup bag, what a day
You selling it or using it?
slow harbor
Prolly sell, 68k gold is gonna feel better than food buffs for me lol
restive crown
do warcraftlogs takes account of other member's dps if you die and release for eg?
lusty tiger
do warcraftlogs takes account of other member's dps if you die and release for e...
yes warcraftlogs is over the whole time youre in the key
if you wanna see the "details" active time, hover over your damage done
warm plinth
Prolly sell, 68k gold is gonna feel better than food buffs for me lol
Are you NA or EU?
restive crown
hmm then why do details stop counting when you are far away from the group?
lusty tiger
mine doesnt
warm plinth
hmm then why do details stop counting when you are far away from the group?
Because combat logging has a range.
maiden lake
How do you setup the weakaura's for ignore pain and shieldblock?
restive crown
Because combat logging has a range.
but wowlogs dont have a range?
restive crown
WCL gets data from your combat log.
ohh it is different data from details?
warm plinth
No, it's the same data. It's just processed and WCL will include the downtime that Details doesn't. Details records in segments of activity (be it yours or your group's). WCL records the time in between the segments as well.
restive crown
No, it's the same data. It's just processed and WCL will include the downtime t...
ahh so something like details stop logging at a certain range, bt other people's dps is actually still logged even when i am far away?
lusty tiger
is this happening frequently
warm plinth
ahh so something like details stop logging at a certain range, bt other people's...
If you're seeing it happen a lot then there might be something wrong. Combat logging has a range but it's really really big. You shouldn't be seeing it stop while people are still fighting unless you're like really far
restive crown
If you're seeing it happen a lot then there might be something wrong. Combat lo...
ohhh no i am js wondering, if there will be 2 different report if two person who died at different times, died and released far away from the group
warm plinth
No, generally if you just died and released, you should still be close enough that Details/logs will record.
restive crown
because my friend said logs are not accurate if you die multiple times
warm plinth
if people are still fighting
restive crown
as some instances of dps are not recorded
warm plinth
That's not a thing to my knowledge.
I'm not sure why dying would affect a log. Deaths are a combat log event as well.
restive crown
hmmm alright, thanks for the input!
arctic marten
as some instances of dps are not recorded
It's since been fixed, but, yeah, at some point in the past, some instances of dps were not recorded
restive crown
It's since been fixed, but, yeah, at some point in the past, some instances of d...
ohh ok!
lean gale
Anyone tips for dathea mythic? We only have 1 DK and i switch to platform without DK. I skilled AOE Silence with mass taunt, but i cant hit everything with it and some will just stand around.
ionic fern
"Hello dear DPS players, i know you don't know this but you have an ability called "Interrupt" on your bars. Please be a dear and interrupt the far add".
frosty mango
Anyone tips for dathea mythic? We only have 1 DK and i switch to platform withou...
Someone is stunning if they're standing still
Jump up, go to one side, aoe silence, immediately run to other side
They will gather
lean gale
My DPS always knock the adds to africa
frosty mango
Make sure you don't charge a small add as that will always root it
frosty mango
My DPS always knock the adds to africa
Yea tell them to stop
There's no need for anyone to bump them at all with a warrior tank
You can gather them alone, and they can kick the opposite side if they wanna be useful
lean gale
Yesterday was horrible on this Boss, the only good thing was we cleared to Dathea (with Kurogg) in 1 1/2 hour
pallid quiver
"Hello dear DPS players, i know you don't know this but you have an ability call...
bold of you to assume a DPS player puts all their abilities on to their bars
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
Good morning. 🙂
warm plinth
Do you know what the greatest part of Skyhold is
cinder storm
I feel depleted a ruby 23, we were on good pace, went fire dragon and thunder dragon decided to land on us twice on the other side
ionic fern
amber siren
dry sonnet
I know it's not the vengeance DH discord but I assume it's similar to prot warrior for upgrades, should I upgrade my lariat to 418 or craft a second 418 weapon?
tame jasper
Weapon
dry sonnet
The reasoning is more stats, correct?
tame jasper
More stats, more dps etc yes
dry sonnet
Fair, ty
rough egret
Seeing Luna's statuses in the top right corner 👀
tawdry perch
Hello. Im quite new to prot warrior playstyle and all the in and outs of how certain mechanics should be handled in m+. How is the 3rd boss in temple handled as prot? Thank you in advance for the help!
cinder storm
I'd go with weapon
ionic fern
Hello. Im quite new to prot warrior playstyle and all the in and outs of how cer...
Hello. You can check the first pin.
tame jasper
Hello. Im quite new to prot warrior playstyle and all the in and outs of how cer...
Rotate your CDs, check pins for details
ionic fern
TLDR; plan your cooldowns and hope your healer knows they have to heal you.
cinder storm
Get a better healer
round pendant
is spell reflect + IP actually enough for high key strikes on TJS tyr?
Like imagine you've run out of everything else cause your dps sucks
ionic fern
is spell reflect + IP actually enough for high key strikes on TJS tyr?
No.
Unless your healer has HUUUUUGE heals.
cinder storm
is spell reflect + IP actually enough for high key strikes on TJS tyr?
You save pot for emergency and rock if there's a lock, you can ask AG or nature's vigil or embrace at some point
The fight really starts at 70% but pugs will burst on pull
round pendant
Unless your healer has HUUUUUGE heals.
I've eaten it basically raw cause I zoned out at +18 tyr and survived
used a healthstone and IV and healer pumped
Scariest boss in the game imo
Well, maybe 2nd RLP boss is scarier simply because everyone else has to do the right thing while I'm also bleeding to death
ionic fern
I've eaten it basically raw cause I zoned out at +18 tyr and survived
Jeah, but 18 is...free.
round pendant
Not in my pugs
ionic fern
warm plinth
I tried a 21 TJS last week. Went okay but we couldn't do last boss 
ionic fern
😦
round pendant
I hate it when that happens
It's like, I spend the whole dungeon anxious about the 3rd boss
3rd boss is smooth af and then we brick on the final one
warm plinth
Yeah my tank is a bdk so 3rd boss is nothing
round pendant
What was the issue on last boss?
It usually goes well for me but I usually play with my friend who's a priest healer so the dispels make it kinda ez
fringe gust
How do you gamers handle holding aggro on the adds for Broodkeeper that spawn first? Got an Evoker bursting 600-650k and a DH bursting 300-350k
fringe gust
I mean that'd be great if my DPS didn't go ham on the left set of adds when the 2nd set spawn a few seconds after
😂
undone verge
How do you gamers handle holding aggro on the adds for Broodkeeper that spawn fi...
TR, outburst TC, revenge spam, havnt gotten there yet, but that would be my guess
plush tendon
I mean that'd be great if my DPS didn't go ham on the left set of adds when the ...
If that’s the case, prob best to make it apparent to them they need to hold CDs for both sets
Rather then sending them early
Also, nothing wrong about calling for tricks/MD
undone verge
speaking of, how do we feel about solo tanking mythic brood? Doable, or not?
fringe gust
We're not running a MM hunter 😦
Already asked the BM hunter to MD but he's on boss entire time
plush tendon
speaking of, how do we feel about solo tanking mythic brood? Doable, or not?
It should be doable… idk, swapped to DK for it cause it’s ez node
And we run double prot
undone verge
we run prot/veng atm
undone verge
yeah, apparently I am tho, so itll be fun lol
plush tendon
undone verge
I enjoy the challenge tho, so far the only boss thats hurt has been kurog so
although I also havnt done barely any kurog prog
like 8 pulls
plush tendon
Just have to get used to Kurog
The hard damage intakes are in the earth phase
Have pot/healthstone ready when you got the absorb
And don’t be stingy with SW
neat gyro
Any advice for add tanking Mythic Durnia adds, with only 1 evoker? The bleed is wrecking me.
undone verge
yeah, itll be a fun prog, dathea is over so that boring ass boss is behind us
ionic fern
Any advice for add tanking Mythic Durnia adds, with only 1 evoker? The bleed is ...
-Externals
-Proper talents
-Dstance
That's about it.
neat gyro
@ionic fern What talents would you run for the fight? Is BSV ever worth considering?
neat gyro
I was running:
ionic fern
Show me what you're running.
plush tendon
Though prog on dathea was funny- getting 50% wipes when we suddenly get a 7% wipe and then next pull was the kill
ionic fern
Seems about correct.
I would just swap Endurance Training for Uproar.
Just be sure to have SW up for when you get the bleeds.
Dump into IP.
neat gyro
Ya I typically do but was trying to get tankier
neat gyro
Ya will prog again tomorrow. WE are cauterizing the first time we get both stacks
ionic fern
Idk how your DPS is but if you're running from the 2nd add set (the drake one) to the 3rd one , nuke down the low HP drake.
I did it with 1 dispell yesterday and it wasn't as bad.
ANd i'm running way more scuffed talents than you are.
😂
neat gyro
Fair enough, will make sure to set up my externals. Thanks
undone verge
Though prog on dathea was funny- getting 50% wipes when we suddenly get a 7% wip...
lol yeah we had 3 or 4 wipes at 35% then a few 60+% wipes, then killed it
plush tendon
It was also funny cause when we got the first 7% wipe, we fucked up the 4th add group and said ‘screw it, focus boss!’
ionic fern
Fair enough, will make sure to set up my externals. Thanks
I'm usually SW'ing the intial big pull.
Then SW the drake pull.
rough egret
Puging eranog M and council should not be extremly hard right? 😄
Will just be hard to get in as I dont raid
undone verge
you overestimate pugs
forest tulip
this is so sad. i have the currency needed for the revivial catalyst but i dont have a piece of gear I can change that will give me the 4th set piece
remote venture
I have been there, apollo
I just grind on AA that drop plate legs and chest on low key just to get the tier 4 set
grave prairie
what embelishments are you guys using? im already using lariat
warm plinth
armor spikes, since I will never get a raid ring (I don't raid)
round pendant
why not?
warm plinth
why not what
round pendant
Puging eranog M and council should not be extremly hard right? 😄
They're easy but pug life is miserable regardless, even more so on mythic with the shitty mythic raid lockout system :)
jagged pier
your only finding it boring cause your dps suck tho
warm plinth
Yeah raid is boring, plus I work nights so when would I do it
jagged pier
and u keep extending for no reason
round pendant
Yeah raid is boring, plus I work nights so when would I do it
In the context of being unable to get raid rings, you can just pug it
warm plinth
I'm never getting into a pug 😂
round pendant
raid leading pugs is kinda fun
ionic fern
jagged pier
round pendant
I love telling people what to do
and then kicking them when they don't listen
I get some sick satisfaction after like going through 90 people doing that and then getting the cleanest kill of my life on HC raz
ionic fern
What ever floats your boat, but that's like a nightmare for me.
jagged pier
yep
round pendant
It's fun when it works out and you do eventually get the kill
It's unfun when you spend 3 hours and still don't get the kill
lyric cape
I like Raidleading but i will never raid lead pugs
ionic fern
It's unfun when you spend 3 hours and still don't get the kill
Like..progress raiding?
round pendant
Progging is fun when everyone is learning
round pendant
but when you invite 8/8 people to HC and still can't get the kill it's soul crushing
jagged pier
i mean 8/8 means nothing
boosts cost nothing nowadays
cause everyone is boosting still
round pendant
Yeah I'm not really sure how prevalent people paying for boosts is tho
jagged pier
very
jagged pier
u probably are tbh
theres literally aotc boosts happening like every 10 mins from 1 group on my server
and thats 1 group
im sure theres more out there
round pendant
That's so depressing
I had such a bad experience trying to kill hc raz again just to actually get a good parse this time
that I just full on ragequit hc forever
I'm never going back
I'd join a guild but I ain't down for designated raid times
rough egret
Thats the thing o dont want to spent 3h to kill 2 bosses
Ill just be okay without raid gear
rough egret
Currently i have armor spikes on shield, ill eventuelly change it to ffbelt id i get 421 shield from vault
And
If i get spark 😄
Chances are equall 😐
Im curious how will they do sparks in S2
And if they change something with crafted gear aswell
Or we gonna recraft lariats till end of DF
slim dove
likely just new recipes + embellishments and same 1x spark per 2week timegate.
rough egret
Hoping that next tier set will be atleast nice as this one, i like this one a lot 😄 its my favourite one after ToS
sudden gazelle
Rio has not updated in two days? The addon i mean
sudden gazelle
Hmm two days and it hasnt given me a update in curseforge
rough egret
Idk im using their client
Armor spikes cant be simmed right, is it that why FFbelt is showing best upgrade right?
jagged pier
yes the first one is better
spare loom
awesome
ionic plank
any sneaky tips for tanking adds on broodkeeper (mythic)? I was just getting slapped up last night (I am aware of a lot of glaring issues to fix) just wondered if anyone has some tips
thick finch
3 things;
int shout is an interesting choice
pretty sure someone is going to yell at you about barbaric training
make sure to take spell block for certain dungeons
@spare loom
buoyant tangle
been runnin with int shout this week and I really like it
no, disrupting shout I meant
ionic plank
get a bleed cleanse
oh yeah I think an evoker is meant to be flying over and giving it to me, I was getting absolutely ragged when I had to run across the room with a bleed
jagged pier
thats garbage
disrutping shout is a worse int shout
as u loose
more for taking it
jagged pier
oh yeah I think an evoker is meant to be flying over and giving it to me, I was ...
well u should be cleansing the double stack not the 1 stack
buoyant tangle
yea I do, but i pug keys where interrupting is a myth
ionic plank
we full recleared for the first time last night, and both our tanks quit after raz, so I am a temporary fury rerolled to prot and we have a new blood dk who hasnt done brood
up to brood was pretty okay but now I feel like I actually have to play the class right...
spare loom
3 things;
int shout is an interesting choice
pretty sure someone is going to y...
ye im taking spell block in TJS and SBG
orchid frigate
am i wrong if i say that the tank should help out with the shards on last boss in AV?
ionic plank
well u should be cleansing the double stack not the 1 stack
I didn't notice the double stack so maybe I was getting cleansed, I just need to pop something or go dstance more then
jagged pier
no healers just need to focus u
orchid frigate
ok, ill always try to go for one close by
jagged pier
and u shouldnt need to run across the room get a hunter to MD u
on that set your talking about
ionic plank
aight
we're just 1 day a week reclearing for now, so we'll see how next week goes
ty
strange chasm
idk my best ss cpm so far was like 11.5
ionic fern
and u shouldnt need to run across the room get a hunter to MD u
All our hunters are on boss.
jagged pier
All our hunters are on boss.
upbeat pine
Does it make sense to craft Unstable Frostfire Belt without ring from eranog/diurna?
jagged pier
yes
upbeat pine
ok
warm plinth
@ionic fern nooooo I have become what I hate
undone verge
is spell block good for mythic brood on boss?
warm plinth
It was a 26 ilevel upgrade over my other trinket
undone verge
but like what purpose does it serve
jagged pier
its blocked the inital hit of the tank mechanic
undone verge
oh ok thx
errant leaf
Piercing shard can be spellblocked ?
jagged pier
yes
errant leaf
👍
ionic plank
All our hunters are on boss.
so are ours to be fair
2 bm hunters and a rogue on boss
our dh might come back for the "hard bosses" so I might be free
I dread to think how badly it would've gone if we got back to the dragon and I had to tank 💀
plucky mango
Any particular build that people think are best for pure defense.
jagged pier
yer the best build imo in the pins
plucky mango
yer the best build imo in the pins
Where ?
jagged pier
rough egret
ok I just pugged Eranog and Council M
ez 😄
did 80k dps there, im glad is over
Alt tabing to tankkotes 😄
tawny knot
Do we have a enchant for shield? Or no?
clever vortex
No
blazing condor
tawny knot
So I have to live with the "Missing" on my shield slot?
sonic eagle
sooo is the weapon any good? does anyone know
i simmed it and it said ill lose 500 dps in keys ish. But asked some streamers and they say its bis
amber siren
it'll basically be bis in the slot
sonic eagle
was wondering what you guys would take. boots has leech
just dont get why sim says i lose damagei guess haha but yeah think ill take it
amber siren
how are you simming it for dungeons?
sonic eagle
5 targets for like 1 min. then i take all buffs off. thats kinda it i think
top gear
amber siren
yeah that's cool, just wanted to make sure it wasn't dungeon slice
sonic eagle
nahhh
but asked lepan he said it was bis too
i guess it cant simm it right?
doesnt make sense i lose damage i think
jagged pier
well i dont how your simming or haste much be low for droppin ghaste on wep make that big
but strike twice is bis
its a free embleishent
stuck basin
you have enchant on the voult weapon in the sim ?
sonic eagle
yes
sonic eagle
ahh yes
stuck basin
would not pass on it - may not show up again this saison 😉
jagged pier
stike twice is 1000 dps for me
sonic eagle
i forgot i had embel on weapon XD ahahhaha
potion buff
so i removed potion
now its 1200 dps
more
hahaha
braindead me
jagged pier
jagged pier
because its the best build
high trail
ya but why hr?
high trail
I thought ITF was better, all prot warriors was playing itf some weeks ago
jagged pier
yes then they realised that u dont have neough shield block with it
and it doesnt increase your damage by that much
and u dont have perma 5 stacks
and its kinda crap on bosses
high trail
ahh nice, its easier to play
jagged pier
and HR is easier as well yes
high trail
ty ty
strange chasm
so i was watching prot wars stream and idk how they do it but they got ss rdy on ech rotation ss-> rev->tc + ip i can only do that with bl
stark jewel
getting ss procs has almost nothing to do with bl so thats weird
rough egret
SS=shield slam?
stark jewel
it does increase aa speed but still
rough egret
or what do you mean by SS
stark jewel
im assuming shield slam
rough egret
rng
strange chasm
is not rng
stark jewel
and HR is easier as well yes
yo bro, I was thinking about a talent change and wanted a good players opinion, would it be worth to trade indomitable for instigate or bloodborne? I feel like indomitable doesnt do that much healing, and it definitely wouldnt be the diff between life and death, but maybe im wrong
jagged pier
u are wrong to put it bluntly
indom is basically what keeps your health from moving
and keeps u alive
u dont drop it
stark jewel
I just often seen indomitable at the same overall hps as diurna ring on keys, with ip and leech being much higher
but maybe that doesnt tell the full story
jagged pier
i mean leech is strong and we get 15% leech for free which u dont usually have well never used to have, but you will feel not having indom
stark jewel
ty, wont be dropping it
I guess especially this week is not a good week to try it x)
solar wraith
How much heal/dmg does https://www.wowhead.com/item=193689/granyths-enduring-scale on 421 over a hole m+ run? Any experiences? Currently im running https://www.wowhead.com/item=193762/blazebinders-hoof and https://www.wowhead.com/item=193679/idol-of-trampling-hooves both at 415 iLvl.
strong forum
How much heal/dmg does https://www.wowhead.com/item=193689/granyths-enduring-sca...
dont use granyth scale
its a garbage trinket
rain light
Its like my 3rd/4th most healing usually
rain light
Just 20s
solar wraith
would you recommend using whelpshell 415 with 6*haste proc instead of mine equipped?
strong forum
nah your trinkets are solid
solar wraith
or is it only hyped for no reason
strong forum
granyth scale does irrelevant amount of mitigation
it procs once per minute for an 80k absorb
big fucking whoop
rain light
I dont have any other trinket lol
solar wraith
Whelpshell procs 3112 haste, but its so inconsistent its insane
strong forum
yes
we recommend training it for the ST dmg proc instead
its still inconsistent, but you cant get a proc at a bad time
solar wraith
i guess i just dont use it
strong forum
trample hooves gives the same result as ruby shell
rain light
S2 df m+ dungeon trinkets are bad too, have to see the other 4 dungeons they put in
strong forum
both are 1rppm on a 90k+ dmg proc
solar wraith
hooves does good damn ngl
strong forum
S2 df m+ dungeon trinkets are bad too, have to see the other 4 dungeons they put...
the fire tentacle thing from neltharus is pretty good
but thats about it
solar wraith
cant get that on high ilvl
strong forum
the brackenhide tank trinket is broken OP
hes talking about s2 df
so, you will get those
solar wraith
oh, missed the post
strong forum
if they dont nerf tree trinket itll be a must have
solar wraith
at least a good trinket without raiding
solar wraith
which one exactly?
strong forum
tree mouths splinter
sick sentinel
amazon never gets shipping right i swear.....
strong forum
its a 200k 50% absorb on 1.5min CD
sick sentinel
or shipping is the biggest fuck up trying to order crap online
solar wraith
woot
strong forum
which effectively doubles/quadruples the absorb of the trinket
rain light
lemme see
solar wraith
some are using https://www.wowhead.com/item=137486/windscar-whetstone but im not a big fan of a mastery trinket
dmg is nuts though
rain light
oh that one that damages you, then gives you a shield
rough egret
next season
strong forum
dmg is nuts though
it looks bigger than it is, but yes its one of the strongest offensive trinkets
also, mastery isnt bad
you want a bit of it so you actually have a chance on critblocking
solar wraith
im at 20,43% unbuffed without that trinket
rain light
i also have H all totem
rain light
kinda low ilvl
solar wraith
which one?
rain light
so i guess all totem+ spiteful storm
strong forum
super solid combo
solar wraith
raidtrinket
rain light
i got both from the weekly
solar wraith
didnt even finish lfr 😄
strong forum
and heroic trinkets are magnitudes better than m+ trinkets
rain light
i really should be pugging the 2 M bosses, but im swapping toons after im done all 20s
or more so, leveling everything else
solar wraith
is pugging hc bulletproof at this point?
sweet summit
pugging is never bulletproof
rain light
How much heal/dmg does https://www.wowhead.com/item=193689/granyths-enduring-sca...
here
last run i did
solar wraith
was this one single mob or what
solar wraith
thats one trash mob^^
rain light
huge leech
strong forum
for comparison
granyth scale wouldve done ~3million in that key
so just as much as pain and gain
which is laughably low
solar wraith
from a quich sbg 20 yesterday
strong forum
sounds like you should do a bit more dmg eh?
solar wraith
12,9% leech, yeah my dmg sucks 😄
strong forum
ye i got same leech
solar wraith
or i dont drop 😉
strong forum
or i dont drop 😉
if you didnt drop, indom wouldnt do more than leech
leech triggers more often
uncut helm
Only thing I could think is if they kited mobs you beat down. That would favor indom spam over leech damage, right? I might be thinking about that incorrectly.
uncut helm
But you can spend what you have. That's why I'm saying they may have spent more and had less damage.
strong forum
thats a giga stretch
uncut helm
Or running bt to eat more rage for more indom but I would hope not.
upbeat pine
Is it possible to have Lariat, Unstable Frostfire belt and ring Melandrus at the same time? Or Melandrus doesn't count as embellished?
uncut helm
Melandrus is not embellished
upbeat pine
ok
solar wraith
you can also/ should have also alchemistic food bag or whatever its called.
forest fern
Alchemical flavour pocket
muted elm
hey friends i just need some quick advice, for mythic eranog , when is the taunt window for the other tank? are we supposed to go by stacks or when the add spawns? there doesnt to be clear way to do it
plush tendon
whenever you want
first time progging it, we did like 8ish stacks
now its kind of a free for all
but also swapping off add tends to be a good marker
and then taunting back after stacks fall off
muted elm
ok so lets say im 2nd tank , when the first tank gets add, then i taunt boss, then the 1st tank taunts back when i get the add? or when stacks drop off?
uncut helm
When stacks drop.
plush tendon
when stacks drop
is generally the best tell tale sign
cause you dont want to reset them by taunting too early
Do you use a co-tank debuff weakaura?
If not, I would recommend getting one so you can track your co-tanks debuffs
upbeat pine
you can also/ should have also alchemistic food bag or whatever its called.
I know, this one I have already. Wasn't sure about this Melandrus ring only
uncut helm
If it isn't crafted it won't be an embellishment. Examples are the ring being discussed, and strike twice.
solar wraith
its also marked at the piece if its an embellishement
round pendant
hey friends i just need some quick advice, for mythic eranog , when is the taunt...
Only re-taunt when your stacks drop off, if you taunt before then and you have like more than 2 stacks, you die.
round pendant
didnt even finish lfr 😄
lfr unironically harder than heroic
solar wraith
😄
hard birch
If I had to priorities boots or wep for 418 recraft, which would be best? Both are currently 405
solar wraith
weapon is a better upgrade
round pendant
shield > weapon > lariat > frost belt > rest
hard birch
TY.
hardy snow
why lariat is so hyped while its similar in power to other embelishments?
tepid raptor
In a +20 HoV, what is a reasonable overall dps?
solar wraith
depends on the pulls i guess
tepid raptor
is 50k aight?
tepid raptor
yeh, tried it, interrupts were not where they should be :p
so we didnt do too many doublepulls tbh
plush tendon
yea, its very doable to pull big in HoV
but requires people to press their non-damage buttons
tepid raptor
yeh thats my issue, my trust in pugs
round pendant
do we do the triple pull at the start of HoV this week 🤔
rugged mural
How do you guys lust RLP on fort weeks? I've seen lusting first pull but then there isn't another good lineup
plush tendon
why lariat is so hyped while its similar in power to other embelishments?
The embellishment is decent and a neck with ideal stats at a high I level is hard to replace
solar wraith
prob firedragon
tepid raptor
Anyone of you got a nice route for HoV? I personally like dratnos on that one but im too afraid for the bears
rugged mural
do we do the triple pull at the start of HoV this week 🤔
I have someone sap/trap/cc the first Thundercaller and then pull all the rest, pull that CC'd Thunercaller in as soon as the first is dead
rugged mural
prob firedragon
I skip the fire dragon
plush tendon
How do you guys lust RLP on fort weeks? I've seen lusting first pull but then th...
First pull, whenever it comes up (usually on a destroyer. You could double pull a destroyer and a pather pack if group is confident) and then last boss
plush tendon
prob firedragon
dont do fire dragon; skip that bro
solar wraith
if seen streamers that do firedragon instead of thunder
i personally do skip him too
i've*
plush tendon
IDK if things have changed, but fire dragon was always the worst of the two
though thunderfucker is also pretty nasty
hardy snow
The embellishment is decent and a neck with ideal stats at a high I level is har...
both CoS and Dathea's necks gives better haste and can have better ilvl, and embelishemnt is quite similar in strength to others
solar wraith
maybe the single dot hurts too much at some point
plush tendon
both CoS and Dathea's necks gives better haste and can have better ilvl, and emb...
I mean, you have to get a Mythic Dathea neck or a vaulted neck to get it at the I level you want
but before that, Lariat does the job pretty well
plush tendon
Cause everyone can use it
hardy snow
like people didn't noticed nerf at begining of DF or something XD
tropic tangle
I mean, it's equivalent to other embellishments, and it's universally good
if you offspec, it's nice too
sick sentinel
why lariat is so hyped while its similar in power to other embelishments?
because JC's
plush tendon
it had the highest sim originally
and people were like 'oh boy! Neck. EZ piece'
though I still use mine, so Ive gotten really good milage out of it
tropic tangle
same
sick sentinel
it had the highest sim originally
yeah and then it got nerfed but it was still "top" for majority of players, and jc's it was just
tropic tangle
just not sure what you'd replace it with?
tropic tangle
no, I know that
but i mean, if you don't have a 421 neck with ideal stats
what other embellishment? like the other option is wrists/frostfire, and you can use two anyway
plush tendon
yea, its hard to replace other then those scenarios
hardy snow
what other embellishment? like the other option is wrists/frostfire, and you can...
im currently using frostfire/wrists, had very bad luck with wrists drops at begining and quite lucky with good stats neck, so It was better craft for me back then
tropic tangle
im currently using frostfire/wrists, had very bad luck with wrists drops at begi...
yeah, that's fair
sick sentinel
i should get 2 ruby trinkets for my morshu character and give him engineer and JC
trade rubies and bo mbs
cinder nova
why lariat is hyped up
Free extra stats + item that's like one step from max ilvl items.
cinder nova
Yeah, it's tanked in price, and if you know a JC then it's stupid cheap to make.
hardy snow
well, there werent many crafters at start and recipe was costly on some servers
I remember on my server one guy was announcing that he will be crafting lariats when season starts
then he didnt have recipe for over 2 weeks
sick sentinel
gigachads of wow are running around with 5 million gold per character and they just drop 500k on someone to make the lariat week one
cinder nova
I could've gotten mine for like 6K total in mats, but I tipped the guy 10K since he wasn't pushy and pretty chill about all of it.
plush tendon
as a guild we ended up buying our guild JC the recipe with a loan
he repaid that loan in like a week
sick sentinel
its like, yeah, people over pay for that stuff, but whatever lol
hardy snow
as a guild we ended up buying our guild JC the recipe with a loan
thats a good move
cinder nova
All in all, unless Lariat pricing hasn't dropped on your server, it's probably worth the expense.
Very cheap to make.
plush tendon
thats a good move
honestly, the first good use of guild funds we've had
otherwise we spend them all on consumables and repairs XD
sick sentinel
no country for old men is a stupid movie, i watched it last night, i was left very not filled with a warm fuzzy sense of watching movie and bad guy dies
tepid raptor
Anyone of you got a nice route for HoV? I personally like dratnos on that one but im too afraid for the bears
plush tendon
Anyone of you got a nice route for HoV? I personally like dratnos on that one bu...
pull bears
dont be scared
plush tendon
get aggro on them, pop all your CDs
sick sentinel
halls of valor is ROUGH this week
plush tendon
once CDs up, kite
tepid raptor
and the charge?
sick sentinel
asmongold tried to do a 20 hov and they got destroyed on and before the second boss
plush tendon
theres a little bit of skill to the kiting
plush tendon
you want to stay close enough to not get charged, but far away enough to get rid of stacks
and reduce melee hits
reef holly
Anyone of you got a nice route for HoV? I personally like dratnos on that one bu...
I have a great one for pugs up to 17's: https://keystone.guru/route/halls-of-valor/oCNBpVl/halls-of-valor-temporary-route/edit/3
tepid raptor
yeah that was my general idea but didnt know if it worked
plush tendon
slows, roots, stuns, fears as you run around
sick sentinel
i think he killed someone to mortal hew is what it was and someone died to the boss like beam
reef holly
Let me know if that shows up
tepid raptor
@reef holly i finished a 20
in time
but might go try kiting it in lower key
just to get the grip of it
sick sentinel
and then i didnt catch why they died on boss, but i think he got hit by 2-3 balls in row and was too much on healer
plush tendon
once you learn bears, HoV will feel a lot better
sick sentinel
so, tldr what im getting at is, it looks like higher than 19 hov's are a not good time
cinder nova
no country for old men is a stupid movie, i watched it last night, i was left ve...
That's not what the movie is about, though.
plush tendon
the more stuff you can skip in the hallway, the better
cinder nova
It's literally a movie about bad people doing bad things to other bad people.
plush tendon
cause that stuff sucks
sick sentinel
i sort of understand what the movie was about
lavish oracle
you tank them in a specific way?
You should micro kite them, their bleed is very short range
And you have the speed buff for them
You can just dodge every one
There's a bunch of casts like that in there, actually
sick sentinel
chigurh, he's like, testing people and cleansing the ones he feels is bad or something, i dunno
lavish oracle
Both shieldmaiden casts and power attack from the champions are dodgeable
sick sentinel
just, there is a clear bad guy, killing ppl, clearly evil and demented, and there is a cop, and there is 2 million dollars, but neither of them, or wife is explicitly shown dying
and its like, well, that was un-eventful
marble cipher
No 'Coen brothers' fan I see 😆
sick sentinel
the dumbest movie i ever saw was about a telepathic car tire that uses its telephathic powers to roll down the road, find people voilently shake in some kind of arcane explosion, and then they guy dies, repeat, it's called rubber
lavish oracle
Rubber
hardy snow
so, tldr what im getting at is, it looks like higher than 19 hov's are a not goo...
any key at 20+ is not a good time if you dont do mechanics properly 😛
hoary jackal
Afternoon/morning all. I'm having some trouble tanking the boss on broodkeeper diurna. Seem to run out of cooldowns for mortal claws + 3 egg DoT, which inevitably leads to me dying. Would welcome some advice from folks who tank Boss during p1
lavish oracle
That movie is great
sick sentinel
he died to solstien due to what i can only assume is enraged lightning, and then eats 2 balls on boss
tropic tangle
sounds like failing mechanics to me
gotta soothe those dangerous mobs, esp on fort week
sick sentinel
he had a druid in this group, but they didnt dispell it for some reason, solstien was at 15%hp when they wiped, so that would for sure be enraged going off powering up lightning
lavish oracle
Proof that just because you play a game a lot doesn't mean you're good at it