protection

[uneven mason]

Right, revisiting that, proper play means you shouldn't be taking noticable damage until high keys

[split remnant]

I dont know what logs are

[uneven mason]

Wowhead has a guide

[vagrant oracle]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341

[uneven mason]

But proper play you shouldn't feel squishy unless it's a tank buster

[round pendant]

Get the Loggerhead addon, get the warcraft logs uploader (and login to it). Play a dungeon. Upload the log

[split remnant]

Does it keep count of my logs even tho I didnt "set them up"?

[round pendant]

Nah you won't have anything that hasn't been logged

[split remnant]

And why am I doing it?

[round pendant]

It's not retroactive

[uneven mason]

You have to set advanced combat logging in options

[round pendant]

Well. In future you might have a question and if you have logged something we can help you more accurately

[lofty widget]

logs are the best way to improve

[round pendant]

Chances are someone else in your keys/raids has logged something, so check your character on warcraftlogs I guess

[uneven mason]

Because we can't give detailed advice on what you need help without knowing the errors you're making

[urban portal]

you are doing it because its advanced statistics

we can see what you are doing right or wrong

[round pendant]

Logs made me see how I wasn't blocking enough hits, was wasting rage, etc.

[nimble scarab]

anybody done/doing m diurna that’s on adds w/o tricks or md? I’m having threat issues and trying to figure out if we need to move our rogue from boss to adds for help with it

or if melee just need to give me a second to hit mobs when whetstone or challenging isn’t up

[daring marlin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Pjr1RmtCx2gwJaKB#fight=9&type=damage-done

^Furm

[deep spruce]

There were only one or two times where threat was an issue, and at those times the dps just need to keep their dick in their pants for a second

Those packs are the first proto drake with the 4 smallies

And then the two larger packs before you go from one side of the room to the other, to do the last set(s)

[split remnant]

What are you reading from that? 🙂

[urban portal]

it shows how much rage he wasted (not a lot)

[nimble scarab]

we running 3 havoc with 1 ww and it’s tough rn if they weren’t getting meleed and dying to it it wouldn’t be a problem

[urban portal]

how many hits he let through block

[uneven mason]

Cpm is really low

[split remnant]

I cant read graphs. I am so fucking stupid.

[daring marlin]

You used SW 6 times in a 30ish min dungeon

SW is around a 1 min CD with proper play

[split remnant]

I am using Shield Wall just for them keks

I dont really need it ever

I press it when boss is low hp just so I secure it without dying.

[daring marlin]

You taking less damage more often=healer can do more damage

[grim glen]

“Im taking a lot of damage” “I don’t use Shield block much cuz I don’t need it” wut???

Shield wall*

[lofty widget]

youre also running thunderlords but youre using demo less than i am without

[urban portal]

thats a sheesh

[lofty widget]

wasted talent point in that case

[daring marlin]

Last Stand not a single time

kinda weird

[split remnant]

Taking lot of dmg just means I sometimes drop below 80% 😄

I forget last stand. Kinda think its useless ability.

Idk

[urban portal]

yeah last stand isnt too hot

[split remnant]

Its good for third boss of TJS

Thats about it (In my opinion)

[daring marlin]

tbh you're sitting on CDs a lot

[lofty widget]

it's a healthstone on a 3 min cd

[daring marlin]

in general

[split remnant]

Yeah because as we established I am using Dstance the WHOLE dungeon

So there is no need for anything else.

[daring marlin]

That's not an excuse

That's a terrible excuse actually

[split remnant]

Its not an excuse

[modern forum]

why wouldnt you use cd's ?

[urban portal]

so you could be doing 10-15% more damage if you rotate defensives properly

[modern forum]

i usually dont use mine when i save them for the next dungeon

[split remnant]

My mind is coded in a disgusting way

Where I think healer is suppose to heal

so keep me up slave

I played Dota too much

to think healer is just another member of a team

[lofty widget]

why are you in dstance then

[split remnant]

and not my personal salve

[modern forum]

i dont like relying on ppl for shit

[lofty widget]

if healer can just heal you up

[split remnant]

True

Fuck em

[urban portal]

theres not even that much healers in dota

[split remnant]

Dstance it is

Healer = support

bstance mb

[urban portal]

most supports are big CC huge early game damage blasters

the ones that arents isnt viable

[split remnant]

Yeah. But when I played carry they had to pull creeps, stack my jungle AND fight off enemies

while I just clicked creeps

I hit Divine 3 that way :3

But to be honest with no jokes. I think I am using CDs just enough. Its just that CoS is extremely easy and I dont see the reason to press stuff.

[unreal marlin]

wearing whetstone+ decoratrion 415 right now, is there any chance i use Hungering Pack 421 + Avoidance? other option would be upgrading 415 legs to 421. speakign für 23+ Keys

[split remnant]

Aside from second boss what can even deal dmg in that dungeon, nothing really.

[urban portal]

hungering pack is really good

[unreal marlin]

ye its good but is it, i will be wearing it over Decoration/Whetstone/incarnate icon in 23+ Keys good 😄

[daring marlin]

[split remnant]

I am sorry for being an awful human

I really am

[modern forum]

i played a fun lil game that kinda made me use cds a lot more, just try to learn when cds will be usefull and keep the cooldown running in between shit myself moments

now if i dont use cds i feel yucky

[sick sentinel]

Did they change it so that the 2 mini bosses before Hryja scale with fortified instead of tyrannical?

[uneven mason]

I just have weakauras that get annoying when I'm in combat and sw etc are off CD

[rough solar]

When simming patchwerk, does that sim 50/50 you being the active tank or 100% you being the active tank? Thinking in regard to how accurate it is for Tough as Nails

[urban portal]

i think its 100%?

[pastel sleet]

I noticed some mdi prot running bolster. Can anyone explain the rationale?

[lofty widget]

probably for block uptime when running itf

[azure willow]

Were they also running ITF? If they took that for extra damage bolster would even out block uptime.

[daring marlin]

More than likely it's for shorter CD on last stand considering the giga pulls they're doing.

[pastel sleet]

That makes sense

[dusky canopy]

Sim doesn’t simulate raid it simulates your character in a hypothetical scenario in witch case patchwork is you against 1 target for 5 minutes, so yes it would assume 100% uptime for tough as nails

[rough solar]

Thank you

[dusky canopy]

Also to help you solve your un asked question

You run tough as nails all the time unless you specifically need spell block

[rough solar]

Yeah I'm already doing that. Just trying to eek out a few more dps for logs on irrelevant raid fight to have some fun.

[dusky canopy]

Cheers

[rough solar]

Was thinking perhaps blooborne could be more dps as I only have boss 50% of the time

[weary saddle]

there is a use for spellblock in every dungeon so nowadays i do not use Tough as Nails

[dusky canopy]

Ohhh you’re trying to parse

Yeah 2/2 blood borne is good damage

You can drop indomitable in farm content for an extra point

Also riskier but you can drop extra shield block duration also

Or shield wall cd

[urban portal]

there are way to make it taunt off

but its not worth trying to do so

and bloodborne is pretty mid

[rough solar]

Thinking of dropping Indomitable and Impenetrable wall and put it into bloodborne

[dusky canopy]

Yup that’s what I do

For farm content

[rough solar]

Yep, nothing serious

[urban portal]

yeah if you wanna parse

maybe thats the way

but at that point maybe just play full execute

juggernaut massacre SD

[dusky canopy]

Mehhh I know some of the top logs do that but it feels ass to me

[lusty tiger]

jug>ss one?

[urban portal]

you said its farm content

if you are going PURE dps then yes jug better

[dusky canopy]

You right I did but still

[lusty tiger]

like r u even gonna execute enough to make jug worth tho?

[dusky canopy]

You are correct

I couldn’t get it to full stacks before boss dead lmao

Could be me just miss playing too

[rough solar]

I don't think I'm going to have enough time to execute

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I wouldn’t run the execute talents imo

[urban portal]

bloodborne is a REALLY weak point

just fyi

it seems ok

but then you math it out

eh

massacre is great on farm tho

[dusky canopy]

It is but you’re trading defensive talents you don’t need for some free damage

Better than 0

[urban portal]

fairly sure there are just better damage talents

[cosmic dagger]

What u think guys, should go for next items Versa/Haste , or it is already overkill for Versa?

[urban portal]

thats too much vers

not enough crit

[dusky canopy]

[lusty tiger]

yikes

[dusky canopy]

Delete Vers

[lusty tiger]

^

[slow glacier]

question, in the recommended wowhead m+ build it states we should take "tough as nails" and not "spell block" i thought SB is better or more usefull for a lot of mobs, specially this week?

[lusty tiger]

dungeon dependant

[dusky canopy]

Run spell block until you learn where you don’t need it

[cosmic dagger]

realy? i saw on raider io soo many Tanks with even more versa. its so bad for us?

[lusty tiger]

not so bad

just not so good

crit is sooooooooooo good

[gloomy veldt]

What's a good % of vers then if above 24% is too much?

[dusky canopy]

Andy doing 26s with <10% Vers

[lusty tiger]

haste is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good

[dusky canopy]

I imagine you’ll be fine

[urban portal]

this is what i play for parse

something like that

[grave knoll]

anyone got a details screenshot of 23/24 ruby for overall? wanna compare our runs

[lusty tiger]

no bv?

[urban portal]

ah shit

you right

i knew i dropped something

[dusky canopy]

Nah you need BV

[urban portal]

i just forgot

[dusky canopy]

Drop punish

[urban portal]

nah

punish>blodoborn

[slow glacier]

also do we open vault in fury or protection spec? or always fury because of dps trinkets?

[urban portal]

in dps

[chilly brook]

Do you have a max ilvl shield?

[urban portal]

just lobbed 1 off bloodborne

its that easy

[lusty tiger]

no bloodsurge

[cosmic dagger]

TY for the Response, one more question. And what about Mastery?

[urban portal]

bloodsurge on ST is not good

[lusty tiger]

oh st

[dusky canopy]

Not for raid

[lusty tiger]

yea

[slow glacier]

nope but its my alt so i thought i can cover shield atm with crafted shield which could go up to 418 so until i reach 20 i thought that should cover shield part

[lusty tiger]

ye ofc

[dusky canopy]

Except council

[lusty tiger]

^

[chilly brook]

All stats are good, just get haste if you can

Literally doesn’t matter that much

Crit just really good for m+ because it does more damage and also works out very well defensively with parry’s

[chilly brook]

Shield is your most important piece

[lusty tiger]

parrying the bite bleed on brood is also pog

[chilly brook]

So I’d personally open as prot until you have a very high ilvl one

[dusky canopy]

“ParrygodX”

[rough solar]

Is unnerving focus really worth it?

[dusky canopy]

[dusky canopy]

No

[lusty tiger]

is it referring to his demon spikes hunter?

[cosmic dagger]

Ty for the Info 🙂

[slow glacier]

ah ok but beside shield are there any tank trinkets that warrior specially wants? or just as most dps trinkets for chance like wheststone/grief etc. or are all-totem and scale as good?

[chilly brook]

Uhhhh

Just run dps trinkets

[rough solar]

Will try this tonight, see how I fare

[atomic vector]

anyone have a layout of their UI?

just the skill bars

[tawny badger]

Does stoneform work on burning wound for Eranog ?

[dusky canopy]

I was about to post this witch is basically the same except juggernaut

If you can hit full stacks and maintain it juggernaut is worth it

[hard birch]

Fortified + Tryannical = Mythic Rating for that specific dungeon?

[lusty tiger]

hey how did this guy get 2 lusts https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w92JLXTBVyGMfNKq#fight=10&type=casts&source=25

i just wanted to see what kind of cpm gets a top parse on this fight and it is 10 less than my best -_-

[dusky canopy]

Kill time plays a massive roll in parsing that fight

Theirs is 1:57

[lusty tiger]

mine was 2:33

[dusky canopy]

Trinkets? Talents the same?

[lusty tiger]

hes got 6ilvl on me and better trinkets

same talents i think

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vH1MC3FaGpbVzDRT#fight=27&type=damage-done

but he also has 2 lusts

how do u get that

i got 2 more avatars /;

[bronze ether]

mastery is pretty dog if u wanna parse

[chilly brook]

I promise you, your parse has almost nothing to do with your stat spread

[urban portal]

You are pretending mastery gives you 0 damage

[bronze ether]

ye, I am a little dramatic over mastery

[round pendant]

He's not affected by the second lust

I'm pretty sure

[mighty valley]

he's not getting two lusts, it's just showing the mage's second personal lust

here's the warrior's buffs

[chilly brook]

Mages getting two lusts

[round pendant]

Yeah and his dps would probably be like 20% lower if it was that long

Kill time matters a LOT

[tepid raptor]

Spell block for Nokhud +21 in fortified weeks

yes/no?

[mighty valley]

what're you spell blocking?

[chilly brook]

Just second boss I’d assume

[tepid raptor]

ye

second boss adds

[chilly brook]

Adds?

[tepid raptor]

are they that aids or should be able to manage?

[chilly brook]

Second boss doesn’t have adds

[tepid raptor]

the pulls around it

[mighty valley]

you can walk away from arcing slash

[chilly brook]

Uhhh kicks

[mighty valley]

everything else is random targeting that need kicks

[tepid raptor]

ah

[mighty valley]

and you can't guarantee will shoot you

[lusty tiger]

still higher than mine

it didnt feel like i had the rage to revenge > ss

i had equal casts

[chilly brook]

6ilvl and better trinkets do make a difference

[round pendant]

talent diff?

[lusty tiger]

need a cpm section for parsing smh

[lusty tiger]

no

[round pendant]

not sure

I find it hard to parse well on council too

[chilly brook]

Granted I haven’t actually deep dived on these logs

[round pendant]

idk why it's fuckin weird

[bronze ether]

you had 1 less revenge cast in a longer fight as well, have to take that into account

[tepid raptor]

how accurate is parses for m+?

cuz u get parses even if someone aint logging

[chilly brook]

Man is just giga pumping his revenj

[cinder storm]

M+ parsing is not important, won't say I don't feel good when I see a 99

[tepid raptor]

well u can get 100's even if not logged

its weird

[lusty tiger]

WTF

his revenge averages 70k damage/cast

mine are 50k damage/cast

how tf

[chilly brook]

Could be running revenj talents?

Idk

[lusty tiger]

we both r

[chilly brook]

Can’t super dive into it on mobile

Mobile WCL is…lacking

[lusty tiger]

horizantal mode helps

but it still has some issues

[brisk tangle]

PLZ GUYS help me

415 weapon from nokud is better than 421 weapon?

[lusty tiger]

no

[cinder storm]

No

[brisk tangle]

sim is meme?

[lusty tiger]

people have been having issues w that

[cinder storm]

NO weap only better when compared to similar Ilvl weap

[arctic wharf]

Quick question - I wonder what my best trinket combo for M+ is atm. I got 411 Whetstone, 402 Rumbling Ruby and 402 Decoration of flame.

I guess the question really is, if two on use trinkets are worth it ? 😄

[round pendant]

yes it is worth it

[lofty widget]

whetstone+ruby

[toxic pewter]

I don’t like it personally would prob just use the ruby

[arctic wharf]

allright - cheers guys

[spare loom]

any boss I need defensive stance for on heroic raid

?

[lofty widget]

no

[round pendant]

No

[sand mason]

Just bind both on use to your avatar

[round pendant]

wow that's a terrible idea

[sand mason]

and youll get uptime on both of them. Avatar CD is like 45 seconds, the CD between them is 30 seconds.

[sand mason]

?

My avatar lines up with my whetstone/hoof most of the time anyways

[round pendant]

It won't line up every time and you'll have potential gaps for no reason

[sand mason]

Then just press it

[round pendant]

and you lose the ability to use boon or grief or whatever else without just wasting some time on avatar

Yeah but if you.. just press it then you may as well bind it to another button

and press that instead

[sand mason]

isnting boon or brief trolling anyways lol

[round pendant]

Nah they're good

[daring marlin]

Boon and grief are two niche examples of trinkets that shouldn't be bound to avatar

[spare loom]

do I need different talents for each boss or can I just use these on all bosses?

[round pendant]

Wrecking Throw is a nice talent for Raz

aoe interrupt is good for dathea

there's some aoe talents you might want for primal

that's all I can really think of

[spare loom]

alright thank you

[uneven ice]

Why?

[lusty tiger]

guaranteed to troll yourself sooner than later

[uneven ice]

I’m using a macro with DS, Avatar and Boon

Why is bad?

[lusty tiger]

do u like randomly being rooted

[uneven ice]

Ah, sorry

I’m stupid

I’ve read hoof

[lusty tiger]

well there u go

[uneven ice]

I’m using DS+Av+Hoof

As it don’t have a cast time, is not a bad thing with the booming voice line up, isn’t it?

Is bad to use avatar in trinkets that have cast time for the time lost on it, it’s what you mean?

[toxic gyro]

I use avatar as I charge in the pack, so demo would hit nothing

[daring marlin]

same

[toxic gyro]

Also don’t wanna boon randomly.

[uneven ice]

Here I’m still confused

[toxic gyro]

Or at the end of boss with trash pull ahead

[round pendant]

Yes since trinkets aren't affected by cooldowns like avatar, if you use a trinket with a CD while avatar/demo is running, you're wasting them

[uneven ice]

In order to have 100% SB uptime, I charge, SS, SB an then DS

(DS+Av)

[round pendant]

tho I think it's a thing that arms or fury players do

[uneven ice]

Is that a bad opener?

[round pendant]

puzzle box + ava

[toxic gyro]

Slow

I charge in and clap so dps don’t get aggro

[uneven ice]

How a good opener should look like?

[round pendant]

Charge -> avatar -> shield block -> rotational shit

[uneven ice]

In packs, I change Ss with Tc

[toxic gyro]

If your first gcd in the pack is demo + avatar you risk your group getting insta aggro

[round pendant]

yeah don't demo first thing, you need to put some damage down

[uneven ice]

No it’s charge+Ss or Tc

Then DS+Av

[round pendant]

Just do avatar -> shield block

that buffs your shield slam :)

[uneven ice]

Mmmm ok

Charge, Av, tc, sb?

[toxic gyro]

Avatar as you charge is more dmg on first clap

[uneven ice]

And then rotational

[toxic gyro]

First few gcds are most important for threat

[uneven ice]

I only have threat issues with evokers

[toxic gyro]

And my friends are monkeys, especially when i pull big

[uneven ice]

But I can improve the opener for more dmg, for sure

[toxic gyro]

Biggest concern was putting boon in macro with avatar

Never wanna do that

[uneven ice]

No, that doesn’t look good

I loved DS+Decoration 🙂

[earnest isle]

yo guys what build would you recommend for diurna?

mythic*

[uneven ice]

Now I’m hoping to get a good decoration to use instead of rumbling ruby

[lusty tiger]

Lookup what jakeyplops ran on Warcraftlogs for that fight

[stuck basin]

any good ideas for aggro issues with evoker burst - theres times i fell like its impossible....

ruby live pool first boss add spawn
i did pre ravager on ground use whetstone dragon roar -tc an half of them run through an hit / kill evoker mate...

[lusty tiger]

Aoe taunt

[daring marlin]

Sounds like your mate is an idiot

[lusty tiger]

That too

[daring marlin]

Add damage is pad

[deft mortar]

wodda

[daring marlin]

should be hard tunneling boss

[lusty tiger]

Yea leave padding for the tanks

[deft mortar]

kekw

[daring marlin]

This guy gets it

[deft mortar]

let ur evoker die his problem

[lusty tiger]

That too

Playing devoker in m+

Kekw

[deft mortar]

i feel safer with the adds no me on that boss than no adds ngl

ez leech

adds legit heal u kekw

but the evoker probs was holding breath screeching just to pop off cds

avg evoker brain

[daring marlin]

Evoker/DH brain

deserve to be a stain on the ground

[uneven ice]

Hope he learned a lesson

[stuck basin]

y its pretty crappy his freeking cd does like 4 strong aoe hits insta and with the way evoker mastery works it deals just way to much dmg in like 1 global - the boss was just an example its a lot of times i have problems with even is he holds for 2 gcds...

[daring marlin]

impossible

[uneven ice]

Mmmm I have issues with evokers, but only if they press everything at once and in large packs

In boss, with 2gcd of advantage, is really strange

[stuck basin]

no not single target

on spread packs or on spawninfmg stuff

*spawning

[wheat canopy]

hey im pretty new to tanking. Just wondering if you guys still shield slam even if you're rage capped or close to rage capped

[zinc shale]

Would you guys stick to the socketed rings?

[daring marlin]

Yes and you shouldn't be near rage cap

[wheat canopy]

well sometimes in big mobs and ravager is going i hit cap at same time shield slam procs

should i be using IP more to avoid that?

[zinc shale]

yes

spam

[sick sentinel]

should i just be spamming baby keys for valor for ilvl at this point

[wheat canopy]

cool thanks

[sick sentinel]

i was thinking about doing a bunch of 2-5 keys on repeat to get weapon 411, its haste versa out of academy

3000 valor if i wanna do the one in my bags to 411, 15 runs, all have to have the bonus

[stuck basin]

go for 16+ to get the upgrade 418 for belt and other future crafted items and farm some valir alonge the way - gi as high as you are comfortable with to get good weekly voults 😉

[reef holly]

Could not get passed tree boss on a 17. I was getting blamed for not grabbing adds fast enough? Usually I drop ravager, thunderclap, run around spamming revenge, and dodging germinate swirls. Still got flamed- any tips here?

[sick sentinel]

i also have 1 spark i can make into a 405

[forest tulip]

Why is RLP so hard this week 😦

[sick sentinel]

cinder bolt

and the explode man

unkicked cinderbolts is insert doomer meme

[past ginkgo]

AoE taunt on the second group right after they germinate.

[sick sentinel]

bring a dk and tell him to spec grabby hands and then to use it on the each second cast of adds helps ALOT with that fight

[reef holly]

I’m guessing everyone should stay loosely stacked for germinate

[lofty widget]

everyone stacks on the tank then you move together around the boss

[sick sentinel]

otherwise, you have to get the first wave a bit together, doesn't matter too badly but on second one, you HAVE to have them packed up, and then you do your big taunt and aoe stuns, maybe fears if they are stunned and snared/slow too

[forest tulip]

yeah. fair. checked the interrupts and the other melee, a dh, only had a third of my interrupts

[sick sentinel]

then you do DR cooldowns shuffle and cleanse from healer, till those awoken adds die

the branch the big add when it dies, it puts out a ring, that heals him, but i've left him in it on a 15 i think and he healed for maybe 1-3% of his hp

so, you can almost ignore that part of that add

DK is still the best option on the boss, hands down, no questions

[solemn current]

Probably don’t forget you can always shocking disclosure one of the germinates for easy threat

[reef holly]

Cheers. I also had 3 mages in this group, so everyone was a bit spread out

[solemn current]

And no reason to run around revenging. Avatar+TC should snap the adds right to you when you don’t have ravager.

Revenge is secondary to TC

[reef holly]

Wasn’t helping- I don’t think dps stopped dps to let me grab aggro

[sick sentinel]

im not sure i'd call every 5 seconds 9k dmg reliable for threat

but yeah, i guess so

[solemn current]

Could even hold outburst for a big TC if you feel like you really can’t do much

[solemn current]

Are you doing this after they awaken or while they are spawned?

[reef holly]

When they awake and are running around

[sick sentinel]

except for ilvl, and few choice trinkets, i'm really happy with my gear

[solemn current]

You underestimate how much AoE threat that potion can give. It’s uncapped vs reduced beyond x mobs. It’s also passive, requires no aiming, and is simply a supplement to your other abilities.

[solemn current]

Yea if you’ve got range sitting out in range it’s a them problem if mobs don’t get stacked, but if ravager, Avatar+TC, shocking disclosure, thunderous roar, shield charge, and AoE taunt aren’t enough rotating them out then you probably are either doing it too early or doing some incredibly wrong assuming they are stacked up a reasonable amount. You’ve got a lot at your disposal to rotate around with though so just use it wisely.

[shut wing]

why isnt fueled by violence taken over brutal vitality when you have 4 piecE?

[mighty valley]

4pc makes brutal vit better, why would you drop it then

[round pendant]

Damn I realised I'm throwing by not saving my Thunderous Roar for the adds on Mythic Eranog

Just looked at nomes eranog kill vs mine and he gets literally 4x the dps on TR

Gotta know when to pad to get good parses I guess

[tepid raptor]

why are we being discriminated at

chosing palas over us 😦

[cinder storm]

Palas make a key safer to time, not better

[strong forum]

i got r6 eragon today

but i fucked up a boon use and didnt have any potions

[round pendant]

Damn I'm jealous

[rain light]

know what i got today?

[strong forum]

only paladins allowed

[rain light]

i actually hate paladin :(

whys everyone swapping paladin

[strong forum]

cuz people meta chase

and only play whats good at the top end

[rain light]

but did they even get changes

[strong forum]

no

people just slept on them

forever

[daring marlin]

pally been good

People just dumb

[strong forum]

ive been preaching that pally will be better since launch

[rain light]

no holy power on avengers shield

[daring marlin]

Sentinel is fuckin' nuts

[strong forum]

but because im not a top streamer my opinion doesnt matter

[rain light]

those bdk buffs next patch though

[daring marlin]

divine toll feels amazing too

[strong forum]

is actually not strong enough

but BDK stonks are rising yes

[daring marlin]

satisfying af

[round pendant]

I left my paladin on another realm years ago, might make another one since I do miss it

[strong forum]

but ye

in 10.0.7

paladin will be disgustingly OP

[rain light]

having to do over 100 16+ to regear a toon atm though

[strong forum]

like, nothing will come close to pally

[daring marlin]

Not sure atm but after the initial tree change they are significantly worse off

[rain light]

primal focus should be acc wide

[round pendant]

No it shouldn't

[jagged pier]

same Nome no one listens to the ppl that actually put in the time to know

[daring marlin]

Like fixing ret had consequences of fucking prot's tree up

But I'm sure they'll clean it up in time

surely

[strong forum]

youre trolling

[daring marlin]

No?

[strong forum]

paladin tree is insane

all 3 specs are broken af currently on PTR

[daring marlin]

It was legit broken for prot when they implemented it that day

[strong forum]

they need heavy nerfs

[round pendant]

They'll nerf it ofc

[daring marlin]

Half the nodes didn't work

[rain light]

aoe shield block, never forget

[daring marlin]

Paladins and bugs go hand in hand initially anyway

[nocturne zodiac]

Hello friends! Trinket question: Horn of valor or fully trained haste ruby whelp shell? Assume same ilvl.

[daring marlin]

Horn no good

[round pendant]

How good is prot pala damage compared to ours?

[tepid raptor]

marginally worse

i think

[round pendant]

Damn then there's no reason for me to not go home

[chilly brook]

Regardless of how hard they get nerfed, at least seraphim won’t exist anymore

[round pendant]

And I can be a tauren, pog.

[chilly brook]

[vale dust]

Let's just all re-roll to Disco-Bear.

Everyone likes the feeling of having to butt-clench every time any mechanic comes their way, right?

[tepid raptor]

im actually gearing up a guard drood

😛

[round pendant]

Druid is the class I wish I enjoyed

[rose flicker]

god bless you

[vale dust]

Guard druid is what I started this xpac with.

[rose flicker]

if youre playing guardian

[vale dust]

I swapped him to boomy and then I meta-chased to Prot warrior

Wishing I did my BDK instead.

This is the FIRST xpac eveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer playing warrior for me

[round pendant]

I don't like bdk at all

[rain light]

i love bdk

95% cause of grip

[sick sentinel]

its okay

[vale dust]

This is probably an unpopular opinion...
But initially GATHERING adds and getting agro is so much easier on Bear than on Prot...

[rain light]

cant wait for guardian tank in ashes of creation, they have warrior charge and dk grip

[sharp ingot]

Ello Ello. So Im a bit confused on what gear I should keep equipped.
I currently have the Frostfire belt (405) and the Eranog and Broodkeeper rings equipped. 408 and 418)

Obviously Eranog's ring and Frostfire belt do not have haste. I have the raid belt, converted into Matching tier which gives it haste, sitting at 411ilvl, Obvious answer to keep that belt, but it breaks the combo of the rings and belt. So should i Keep the eranog ring equipped or use a 405 crafted ring with Haste on it? Overall a 600 haste loss if I keep the Frostfire/raid ring combo equipped

I do not have access to Condensed Infusions yet, so is the 6ilvl increase from the raid belt WITH haste out weigh the frostfire/raid ring combo? What is the best combo of items to compensate for it?

2084 haste/ 8074 Strength/22584 Stamina with Frostfire/raid ring combo

3885 Haste/ 8095 Strength/ 22681 Stamina with the Converted raid belt, Broodkeeper ring, and 405 Crafted ring with haste

[vale dust]

Twin Moons and Swipe / Thrash being spammable is just super easy for gathering and clustering mobs.
But that's the only thing that I like about my bear lol

[rose flicker]

when you have the balance yd talent, all you need to do is zugzug claw everything and armor up

[vale dust]

Not sure what balance yd talent is tbh

[hybrid gust]

i have 424 belt and 431 broodkeer ring. would it be worth to get the frostfire belt?

[mighty valley]

Would just sim this, probably the raid rings, perfect stats don't make that much of a difference to us

[chilly brook]

I’ve not really ever had an issue

[sharp ingot]

Thats fair, I read somewhere which could mean really nothing that we want to strive for 30% (4300+) Haste I'll try simming each combo

[mighty valley]

we don't have any magical breakpoints or anything

[urban portal]

Sure it’s easier to gather aggro on bear

It it’s not like it’s hard on prot

[vale dust]

For sure didn't say it's hard 🙂

[urban portal]

Bear is the easiest cuz they have free aoe

[chilly brook]

Bad source

[urban portal]

That is also spammable

[chilly brook]

Besides it’d be like 40% haste unbuffed before you even consider not grabbing more haste

[sharp ingot]

Valid, lol Cant remember where I read this at this point, Thanks

[mighty valley]

30% is where the first diminishing returns kick in but it's not serious til 40%

[ruby gull]

I've simmed 5 targets 1,2, and 3 minutes and a 5 minute single target to try to straighten out trinkets but the results have just made it more confusing because I've got sims supporting each trinket. Could I get some opinions on 408 All totem vs 415 hoof to pair with 415 whetstone?

[sick sentinel]

the problme wiith prot paladin is this is mine

[sharp ingot]

Thanks, hit a comfortable 30+ before I started replacing with heroic gear, sitting around 27% without the frostfire/raid ring combo, 20% with the combo, big drop I'll just Sim it. Was just freaking out losing that much haste in one drop

[brave jungle]

Can you still Intervene to the one being chased on Fenryr in HoV?

[lofty widget]

all totem for m+

[sick sentinel]

hes lvl 50 with a terrible transmog and a zanda troll

[lofty widget]

with whetstone

[brave jungle]

The past few times I tried, they end up being hit anyway

[slim dove]

they cant move.

[lofty widget]

it still works but they need to stand next to you

[slim dove]

intervene "range" is very small

[graceful cobalt]

hi what is better Neck on 418 or Belt 418?

[warm kettle]

hi i hv a question, for mythic Kurog, does berserker rage works against the slow in last phase?

[ruby gull]

@lofty widget Would hoof and whetstone be the go to on a single target raid fight?

[graceful cobalt]

Primal Molten Greatbelt recraft 418 or Elemental Lariat to 418 wich is better

[slim dove]

icon + whetstone or grief.

[lofty widget]

of those 3 yes, but there are better options

[ruby gull]

@lofty widget i've got a 395 icon. It sims less than the 415 hoof / whetstone on single target but I'm assuming the benefits to the raid may outweigh that?

[slim dove]

if your co-tank doesn't, yes

and assuming a couple people at the min are using icon

[ruby gull]

Awesome thanks to both of you! /bow

[chilly pulsar]

Any tips on SBG for tanking Void Slash?

That does a shit ton of Shadow damage

[rose flicker]

Stun them

Leap away

[cinder storm]

Don't need to leap, just walk away from it, like 5 yds

[vale dust]

Spell Reflect 1
Then Storm Bolt another
SHockwave
Intimidating Shout

If in pugs, then you can start kiting.

[lofty widget]

can outrange it as theyre casting

[chilly pulsar]

Speaking of outrange, does that work for the BattleAxe on Algeth'Ar?

[lofty widget]

no

[hushed harbor]

In AV, have any of you tried jumping down and snapping the 4 lashers prior to the 1st boss? Would that work?

[daring marlin]

They'd probably just go down the stairs since there's a path.

[lilac jay]

For me sometimes it does. And I don’t know why. If u mean the bleeding

[lofty widget]

you can parry it

[zinc shale]

Last pack Jade, the Claw ability absolutely wrecks

How deal

Can reflect, but that's just one

[royal rune]

what classes have a soothe

[mighty valley]

rogue, hunter, druid

[zinc shale]

Outrange possible?

[slim dove]

sync up casts by pulling with ravager

evoker also has access to an AOE soothe.

[daring marlin]

spellblock good

[rose flicker]

Don’t face tank. Spell block can only help a little but at the end of the day just kite it

[chilly pulsar]

Yeah

[rose flicker]

The little adds that spawn from the big one don’t hurt as much so don’t kill yourself trying to get aggro

[zinc shale]

So the claws are outrange-able?

[slim dove]

8yd range iirc.

[uncut helm]

I believe dark claw is 8 yards

[zinc shale]

Good to know 😂

Nonrage hurts, raged is murder

[median tulip]

It is:

[zinc shale]

N1

[plucky mango]

Curious as to what alliance race people think is the best. I have done independant research but am curious on peoples opinions

[slim dove]

between reflect, spellblock, + stops and wall i dont feel a need to kite

[rough egret]

Hey, so I just entered a 20s so I started to log myself, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2xqT7AYCFBgPptZ4/#fight=last&type=summary can you check please?

[median tulip]

Dorf

But Horde > Alliance

[slim dove]

dwarf unarguably is the best rn

[tawny badger]

Dwarf

Stoneform OP

[deft mortar]

LMAO idk if yall been doing this

But I move out every spell reflect CD abit from 2nd boss to trigger the spellcast

Probs im late to the train

[mighty valley]

nokhud? yeah

[deft mortar]

in Nokhud Offensiev

ez free 15k dps lol

[mighty valley]

and lets you pick up the orbs easily

[deft mortar]

Pulled big single target dps the dpsers were mad lmao

[tawny badger]

So just move out of melee to trigger the cast and that’s that?

[mighty valley]

you can charge back in as soon as you see the cast

it'll complete

[median tulip]

I believe in magic

[tawny badger]

Damn I’m real late to the party, thank you both for the tech

[deft mortar]

ye and slight movin out is ehough to trigger it

get back in right away

if it casts a 2nd time its rip

😄

[tawny badger]

Ty ty

[deft mortar]

its also a relatively quick cast

[tawny badger]

Understood

[vivid kraken]

402 Decoration of flame or 411 torch?

torch for strength?

[deft mortar]

ooft the dillemas of the raider bois

M+ just valor dump ez lmao

[vivid kraken]

ok thanks

[haughty lance]

if you use boon and then avatar, does it let you move?

[scenic mural]

No

[young dove]

why do people take seismic reverberation on M kurog? i feel theres not enough time with 3+ targets to make it worth

[urban portal]

Cuz you don’t lose much survival for it

Just leave it there

[young dove]

is barbaric training not just better tho?

[sweet summit]

@warm plinth relevant nickname

[young dove]

to me doesnt seem bad, exactly the right amount of rage for violent outburst

[urban portal]

@warm plinth

Wya

Barb training is bad in any content that’s difficult

[young dove]

im just looking at wcl top prot warriors, lots run it idk

[urban portal]

Barb was cracked in prepatch cuz of banner

[young dove]

specifically looking at kurog btw

[toxic pewter]

Feel a lot more rage starved with it. I never run it except primal council

[urban portal]

I think he’s talking about kurog raid

[young dove]

mhm just kurog

[urban portal]

It’s a high damage option

And good on farm

It’s just that if you are not on farm

[young dove]

seems better value then seismic reverberation

[urban portal]

Don’t play it

Seismic pads hard on the adds

[toxic pewter]

Lol seismic reverb is literally free though

[young dove]

but theres only that one phase where u can potentially get 3+ i mean if u say its worth ill rock it

[urban portal]

Yeah seismic is assentially free point

[young dove]

and i think ur prob right if we proggin it prob shouldnt BT it lol

[warm plinth]

[scenic path]

Yo I’m a new tank and this week in m+ feels a lot harder, that normal with fortified and enraging? I’m not doing crazy pulls, but I’m dying a lot more this week in low teen keys like 13s 14s

[strong forum]

yes

fort raging is the single hardest week for tanks in the game

entirely normal to feel weaker this week

[scenic path]

So I’m not crazy

Coo

[grizzled kite]

well you might be crazy but this week is hard yeah

[mighty valley]

it can be made a lot easier if dps helps out and you have soothes on the team

but if dps is just blindly blasting it's rough

[scenic path]

You get me

[thick finch]

+1 on the soothes

bring druids and hunters

all of them

[strong forum]

evoker

[viral elk]

I think you mean on healers 🤠

[strong forum]

has aoe enrage dispell

[thick finch]

my god

[sweet summit]

is it fort rage again?

[scenic path]

My healer is a druid and has been helping, but I haven’t ran with any other druids or hunters.. or evoker.. I’ll give that a shot thanks

These affixes certainly have forced me to learn more haha

[mighty valley]

it's also up to the dps to know which mobs have a totally deadly cast if it's allowed to sit in raging range unsoothed

[still hearth]

What flask is best atm for prot ?

in mythic raid

[strong forum]

vers

its the most dmg if you know how to press buttons

[lean blaze]

Am I trolling if I’m in defensive stance perma in dungeons

[lusty tiger]

yes

[lean blaze]

Or is it just lazy

[lusty tiger]

both

it basically means youre weak and will not become stronger

[lusty tiger]

5real i want vers flask for raid that would save so much gold lol

[gusty stone]

any of you loveable tanky bois that got a sec to help me?

[lusty tiger]

if u have logs link em

[gusty stone]

oh, not log related xd

more of a, what item would be better to take from vault

[young dove]

could always sim ur vault

[gusty stone]

i did,

[young dove]

but im curious what u got send it

[gusty stone]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kho4SoBNAwLXzRmVudTzrL

[lusty tiger]

woah

[strong forum]

yes, its super easy to figure out, if glacial fury does less dmg than 3.7% of your overall, vers does more

[young dove]

418 back imo

[lusty tiger]

why do u have wrecking throw?

[gusty stone]

i'm super tempted to take the ruby, but i'm in the spot where to "continue" to tank for my guild when we go mythic next week, i gotta hit 405ilvl avrage

[young dove]

rest cna be easily upgraded to 415

[gusty stone]

oh cause just done raza prog xD

[lusty tiger]

perfect

[lusty tiger]

):

[strong forum]

îd take cloak

[warm plinth]

I would also take cloak

[strong forum]

you can always get ruby to drop

[gusty stone]

i went with the cloak, thanks for the help guys!

❤️

[clever heart]

about how much mastery do i want to have these days. does it vary from AoE vs ST ?
sitting @ 413 item lvl. ik it sorta depends on playstyle. just curious peoples thoughts.

[warm plinth]

There are no stat requirements for any stat.

[lusty tiger]

str >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haste >>> crit

[prisma crane]

only real arguments you could make for playstyle difference is giving more weight to vers over crit if you're pushing top top end, otherwise it's not important

[lusty tiger]

vers is irrelevant for top end

str is bis in top end

if u can get 415 with all mastery gear as soon as mythic raid comes out ur gucci

[daring marlin]

vers disrespecters only

[lusty tiger]

^

[subtle sparrow]

Does it matter which gem you have in your Lariat?

[lusty tiger]

only the shiniest

[prisma crane]

reading comprehension is never a strong point is it

i never made a comment about STR, the only "debate" is crit over vers, and in top end, they value vers

where most ppl gain more from crit

[lusty tiger]

who is they

[prisma crane]

STR is still BiS, then haste

etc

[subtle sparrow]

Is it now we nag blizz to nerf pala?

[lusty tiger]

100%

[prisma crane]

feel free to look at gem and crafted gear choices of the top rio players

the only area where you have true agency over stat selection

they all go w/ haste and vers

[jagged pier]

well they are getting a buff

🤷

[prisma crane]

where most people outside of that bubble will probably still go with crit over vers

anyways, my point is that stats are hardly important because if you're in the group that needs them to be that specific you already dont need to ask that question

[subtle sparrow]

I see a mix of crit and vers on the top tanks

[prisma crane]

andy and taezir are both vers where they can get it

nerf is mostly vers, with a couple crit

bobas vers, palclap vers

[lusty tiger]

taezir also has 85% blocked hits on his highest logged rlp

[prisma crane]

and?

[lusty tiger]

that would make anyone feel like they need more vers

[prisma crane]

yea, totally

[lusty tiger]

??????

[strong forum]

85% is fine, most of the blocked hits are when gathering pulls

[prisma crane]

the literal best warrior atm is playing so poorly he's picking bad stats

[strong forum]

i wouldnt say hes the best warrior.

hes the highest ranked

ill say that

[prisma crane]

yes

but

[strong forum]

but only that

[prisma crane]

my point still stands

you dont get there playing poorly

[strong forum]

youd be surprised

[prisma crane]

so poorly you choose vers because you can't block when you should be?

[strong forum]

until a few days ago he didnt know that he needed to deal dmg during taunt to keep threat

[lusty tiger]

nice

he also casted more tc than ss which is a lil strange id think

maybe some rlp big pull tech i could see it

[subtle sparrow]

Honestly, tanking is so much easier than DPSing once stuff starts happening.

Healing is the worst

[timber terrace]

yeah surely they wouldn't be able to time sbg 27 with a prot warrior

[subtle sparrow]

It was a joke

[strong forum]

need i remind people that majority of the high end community, and alot of the casuals complained about pwar being way too strong and it needing nerfs?

and now despite no tuning happening, people suddenly switch their opinionin

[lusty tiger]

thankfully we were only nerfed 5 times

[strong forum]

we were nerfed 7 times, 5 times during beta

[lusty tiger]

jeez

[strong forum]

2 times minorily on live

[jagged pier]

yer 7 in total

[strong forum]

and people still called for more nerfs

[thick finch]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[daring marlin]

idk bro #1 tank is prot pally with 5% vers

ergo vers trash

🙂

[timber terrace]

mastery is a better vers for palas

[strong forum]

andy was doing r1 keys with 10% vers, nerf was doing r1 keys with 8% vers

on their warriors

stop coping that its mandatory

even current r1 only has 13% vers

it doesnt matter

[daring marlin]

Prolly just playing with it to see if it makes any sort of difference

[prisma crane]

i never said it was mandatory, again, i only said that at that end you can make the justification to prio that over crit in the "crit/vers" portion of our stat prio list

[strong forum]

can you though?

[prisma crane]

whats the most dangerous things we face in high keys?

[undone verge]

dying

[strong forum]

things you dont use CDs against 🙂

[slim dove]

[strong forum]

you wont survive it without CDs

🙂

[thick finch]

big if true

[prisma crane]

under proper play*

[slim dove]

vers vs crit discussion

never ending

[undone verge]

crit bis end of discussion

verse is a crutch

[strong forum]

getting 7% damage reduction or not, wont save you if you make a mistake 🙂

and guess what happens if you go 1 key level higher

you take 10% more dmg

resulting into your vers buffer being entirely gone

[timber terrace]

things do more damage with shield wall up in a 27 than without shield wall in a 20 tho it's not the same game and while crit is nice it does nothing against a lot of damage

[strong forum]

my point remains true

[lusty tiger]

It sure does

[strong forum]

crit does VERY much against alot of damage

cuz the most dangerous pulls for tanks are large pulls

where melee dmg is 90% of all dmg taken

removing 30% outright from that, is very much a big deal

[light halo]

Does temple always pump out so much damage?

[timber terrace]

that's not the thing that kills warriors

[strong forum]

riight

sure

[prisma crane]

i know you're not that bad at math though Nom, to argue it does nothing isnt accurate, and that vers reduction is 10% more reduction in a key that does 10% more dmg, you dont get to compare 0% vers in a 26 to 7% vers in a 27

[strong forum]

im comparing 14% vers vs 0% vers

thats almost 3k stat investment

~2.8k

[slim dove]

on fort raging weeks, yes.

[strong forum]

you wont survive without using CDs properly

[prisma crane]

it still results in less dmg though in all areas we're weak, whereas crit absolutely does reduce our dmg taken a lot, its also primarily in areas we're already strong

[strong forum]

"in all areas we're weak"

bro youre acting as if there was alot of unmitigatable magic dmg in keys

[prisma crane]

in all areas period i supose

[strong forum]

there are 3 bosses

we're weak against

[light halo]

Got hit for 310k dmg from two mobs in an instant. Was like what just happened

[strong forum]

dark claw

1sec cast magic nuke

or 2sec, cant remember

[mighty valley]

top rated warriors are just as susceptible to groupthink as anyone, they just play the most and have the most consistent teams

[strong forum]

if you dont have CDs that thing will kill you even on low keys

especially on raging

[light halo]

Never noticed until this 14

[slim dove]

a fort raging dark claw on a 16 temple gapped me

cuz i was sleeping

carrying a friends alt

[daring marlin]

dark claw is like .79 cast or something goofy

[daring marlin]

You get what you deserve!

[thick finch]

dark claw is the name of my new metal band

[light halo]

First time trying to tank a key at that level so was unprepared

[strong forum]

and yet the majority of dmg taken is physical

just because we're strong vs smth doesnt mean you can just say "okay well ill pretend it doesnt exist"

thats not how it works

[timber terrace]

sustained mitigated damage isn't what kill tanks ever especially at that level of play

[strong forum]

and tank stats isnt what times keys at those levels

tank survival is the lowest factor in ultra keys

cuz their survival is managed by proper CD management and group play

[timber terrace]

it might save you when crit probably won't which is the whole point

[strong forum]

lmao

[daring marlin]

[prisma crane]

not really my point tbf

[strong forum]

youre acting as if 7% DR will prevent you from dying

what kills you are mistakes

[daring marlin]

yes dude

[prisma crane]

it's more about smoothing some dmg curves is all im saying, something that it can do

but to your point, since its binary, you dont need it if you dont need it

doesnt mean it's not useful though

[strong forum]

no, im saying youre putting way too much faith into a stat

the wow community has gaslit themselves over years to believe that vers is the end all be all stat for highkeys for tanks

when thats not true

[prisma crane]

that's not what i even said though

im literally talking about the difference between these two things

STR>>> Haste >>> Crit/Vers >>>> Mastery

STR>>> Haste >>> Vers/Crit >>>> Mastery

[strong forum]

there isnt a diff

between the 2

[prisma crane]

yet you argue crit is better

so there must be a difference no?

[subtle sparrow]

Don't you get more damage mitigation from crit?

[toxic pewter]

im something of a mastery man myself

[subtle sparrow]

Only on physical tho*

[slim dove]

mastery chads report in

[strong forum]

technically speaking, yes across a key crit is defensively stronger

[toxic pewter]

I am going crit mastery

[strong forum]

but people dont like that statement

[subtle sparrow]

Magic damage and bleeds are more dangerous though as a prot warrior

[thick finch]

a warrior of culture

[prisma crane]

also, fwiw, my shit is all crit/haste, so its not like im here advocating and stacking vers

[strong forum]

90% of bleeds are parrayble fwiw

taking those things naked is what kills you

you need to be prepared to use CDs against what youre weak against

[lusty tiger]

That sweet sweet feeling

[strong forum]

making a shift in stats wont change that

[subtle sparrow]

I don't think I have ever blocked the bleed from the last boss in Nokhud. And I avoid AA like the plague

[slim dove]

yall remember when we could avoid crawth peck

i remember.

[strong forum]

last boss Nokhud bleed is w/e

[slim dove]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-i-remember-memba-member-berries-gif-11218434

[subtle sparrow]

Though I might not have the presence of mind to notice

[strong forum]

you use your CDs there and youre fine

[prisma crane]

AA is probably my favorite dungeon when it's not explosive wk

[subtle sparrow]

@strong forum It was the first dungeon I started doing high keys on with shit gear

I just farmed Nokhud

Best dungeon, fight me

[daring marlin]

It's a fun dungeon tbh

[strong forum]

i enjoyed nokhud in 5tank ALOT

cuz you dont need to worry about dps

getting hit by 1 singular arrow

you just omega chain

[wicked hazel]

Changed my talents around got a better block tracker big improvements, thanks for shitting on me I needed it

[strong forum]

wasnt me but have a

[daring marlin]

Neltharus is gonna be ass

[strong forum]

to circle back to this for 1 argument

how do you think math works

just curious

cuz a 27 does in fact not do 4x the dmg of a 20

[timber terrace]

it does double the damage and shield wall is less than a 50% dr

[strong forum]

yeah so

if you take 300k dmg in a 20

ah right SW is 40%

i forgot that part

[timber terrace]

200% *0,6=120%>100%

[strong forum]

ye guess u rite

[lusty tiger]

[mighty valley]

nokhud has been fine for me ever since we learned where to fly to avoid the last boss trash

i'm sure it's annoying for casters though with so much arbitrary ground shit

[cinder storm]

Glad someone found that skip

Pre that was "hope no one pulls"

[prisma crane]

i've heard that's most of DF so far actually

[cinder storm]

They should make first trash focus tank over ranged

[mighty valley]

no, don't make me think

[prisma crane]

i mean most trash should focus tank over dps in general imo

[strong forum]

the whole point of DF dungeon design is to make it so that the tank is not the thing dying

[prisma crane]

at least DF isnt as bad as SL in that way imo

[strong forum]

which i initially enjoyed

but now im more drawn towards playing healer cuz tanking is boring

[cinder storm]

True but, it also forces you to have two ranged there, one range is deadge

[strong forum]

i feel useless

[prisma crane]

well just make the tank kits work that way instead of dungeons

tanking is about control imo

and the less in my control the more i dislike it

[strong forum]

yeah

[cinder storm]

Def better than SL

[prisma crane]

like hunter mobs that not only wont move with you, they wont even move unless the ENTIRE party is out of LoS

its why i hate DKs because i feel like if they didnt exist these problems may not had lasted as long as they have

[cinder storm]

We went from "please please just kick anything" to "how did you guys died"

[prisma crane]

lol yea

but again, just bake that into our kit instead of making the dungeons chain cast on a hunter that has negative defensives

and on the kit side of things i think we've moved FAR down a good direction

just give me a bleed removal

[cinder storm]

Or set a targeting dr, like, one player can't be the same target over 5s and only targeted by one mob or something

[prisma crane]

(dont say dwarf)

[strong forum]

just make bleeds not tick for 200k

how about that

[prisma crane]

or make it affected by armor

[strong forum]

or severing slash tick for 400k

its really easy

[prisma crane]

the tanks with less armor handle the bleed better anyways

[strong forum]

just make it so theyre actually tankable by tanks that arent BDK

[daring marlin]

drop the human krotos

[prisma crane]

yea

[daring marlin]

embrace the beard

[strong forum]

cuz lmao bloodshield works vs bleeds

[prisma crane]

i'm Ztroll now lmao

[strong forum]

cuz its still physical

[prisma crane]

but if they ever make a draconid race im swapping day 1

[daring marlin]

ohno

[strong forum]

i hate playing dracthyr

[daring marlin]

the buff one

[strong forum]

its so terrible

[prisma crane]

yea draconid not dracthyr

they're fun to play, but i hate that they look like ppl in furry suits

[timber terrace]

make evoker not turn into a scuffed lizard and i'm playing it

[strong forum]

i hate the fact

that they dont have tmog

[prisma crane]

gimme that

[strong forum]

you need to abuse toys

24/7

otherwise youll go insane

cuz also your weapon is useless

perma hidden otherwise

[daring marlin]

should let people have something similar to boomie glyph of the stars

[cinder storm]

They simply have to bring back dragon knight from dota, he's basically a dracthyr on roids

New tank spec

Boom

[prisma crane]

i just want that image above, and keep them huge

we have like 4 tiny races, give us more big ones

[cinder storm]

Make bwomsamdi buff do damage

[prisma crane]

also maybe ones that can use shoes

[daring marlin]

One thing I hate about troll is feet

fuckin' wear some boots

[cinder storm]

Also warriors should canonically be able to cast bloodlust

[prisma crane]

tbh the girly hips (same as nelf male) are what bothers me the most

pretty sure the tops of my femurs are touching

[flat jackal]

Raging fortified temple

what the hell

It's a new kind of hell i didn't know existed

[prisma crane]

evoker cheese the raging

[cinder storm]

Just LoS shades

[flat jackal]

can you actually los?

[cinder storm]

The smallest that explode? Yeah they did a fix several weeks ago, super dumb

No one really does it

[steel belfry]

anyone else noticed RLP in MDT seems a bit off?

missing a mob here & there