Does belf racial work?
#protection
round pendant
or is that magic too?
Think it works
Damn make sure to get belf rogues for this week!
remote venture
There was an pin for Embellishments but I can't find it anymorw. Was it outdated?
rough egret
Lariat, FFBelt + food ontop
round pendant
I ain't paying 80k for flavour pocket
rose flicker
evoker has an aoe rage dispel thats on a 1 min cd i think but reduces by x seconds for how many rages it dispels
also is there anything i can do as a prot to keep my team alive aside from rallying cry
rough egret
I ain't paying 80k for flavour pocket
Farm it then
round pendant
I'd still be paying 80k for it since I could just sell it for 80k
rough egret
Well ehat else is gold for
rough egret
Wdym recrafts is free 😄
warm plinth
Does belf racial work?
Rogue, Hunter, Druid, and Evoker (with Evoker and Rogue on potentially longer/longer CD). Every other purge you're thinking of is magic.
round pendant
rough egret
Dw, kite
lilac jay
so we inv hunter again this week? because they cant die on bosses 😄
warm plinth
Evoker is quite strong if they use their soothe at the right time
Because it gets reduced by 20 seconds every target they soothe
So 5 targets means it only has a 20 second CD which is plenty of time before next pack rages
remote venture
Paying these scam artists for recrafts
My server was dead so I had to pay the only one that I was able to find
round pendant
Every recraft for me is 15-25k
round pendant
And then they disappear so you can't even get them to recraft it again later on if you get a conc or whatever
rough egret
😄
Ah that is okay
I ment recraft, in range of one upgrade
Shadow, Boomie, DH + evoker would be nice comp for this week
remote venture
Every recraft for me is 15-25k
I only payed 10k and I tought that was too much!
scenic mural
Dmg taken>hover the hits will tell you blocked hits
wintry nymph
i see, thanks
i see in someones log 55% blocked hits on mythic terros by their prot warr
isn't that
like
kinda bad
wintry nymph
i figured
round pendant
Not just all damage taken
wintry nymph
i did
blazing condor
yeah 55% melee is really bad
round pendant
Then yeah 55% is bad, especially on a patchwork lol
blazing condor
ur kinda actively inting if you can't achieve higher with all the talents and help you have
wintry nymph
i had a feeling
it was a guild who wants to recruit me, but have trouble on that kind of stuff
round pendant
I got 82% on Mythic Eranog and I had been awake for 24 hours, playing like crap and learning the fight
🤔
wintry nymph
so not sure if i wanna go there if they are having trouble keeping their tank alive cuz he sucks at using SB
xd
round pendant
Not tried mythic terros yet
wintry nymph
round pendant
What's their dps?
wintry nymph
20k
wintry nymph
8 log
i mean, im not a tank, but i figured this would be the place to ask it :D
im arms
round pendant
What's his co-tanks damage and spec?
blazing condor
yeah get out of there
wintry nymph
i had a feeling
round pendant
Yeah these guys are doing LFR tier damage
wintry nymph
its interesting
blazing condor
yea
round pendant
I seriously don't even know how you do 20k damage
wintry nymph
where do i check cpm
round pendant
Like you have to just not press anything
blazing condor
casts
wintry nymph
I seriously don't even know how you do 20k damage
me neither
round pendant
casts tab
wintry nymph
i have better prot logs by just playing casually on prot
whats the cpm
that you should have
on prot?
round pendant
like 65-75
wintry nymph
round pendant
depends on the fight somewhat
wintry nymph
take a guess, mythic terros
round pendant
35?
blazing condor
29
round pendant
49.6 CPM and 20k dps?
round pendant
Are they just not using CDs?
blazing condor
how you do 20k dps
wintry nymph
idk man
ember tangle
What is he even pressing?
wintry nymph
pressing wrong buttons probably
rough egret
Spammin IP
round pendant
I shockwave when I accidentally ragestarve myself lmfao
wintry nymph
haha
round pendant
tho I wouldn't have it specced for terros
wintry nymph
i guess.
im definetly not a prot pro / main, but this doesn't look too amazing
not that im the best arms player in the world
but yeah
im skipping out on this guild
i think
lofty widget
Its amazing how bad it is
blazing condor
hes probably rage capped all time during that fight
round pendant
Isn't avg shield slam at 21k kinda low?
wintry nymph
im just checking
i did more damage on prot
on my logs
in december
at ilvl
389
than he does
on 415
wintry nymph
hes probably rage capped all time during that fight
blazing condor
oh nvm then
round pendant
Was his weapon broken?
wintry nymph
don't think so
round pendant
I'm all out of ideas!
wintry nymph
melee wouldn't have done that much damage otherwise
round pendant
Bloodsurge
wintry nymph
opener?
round pendant
Aight I think this is a talent issue
round pendant
yikes
wintry nymph
he used impending victory earlier than sb
idk
out of idea's too
anyway
thanks for the insights
ill be skipping out :D
modest grove
Should i take 415 Cape of the Duskwatch or stick with the potion-stained cloak and upgrade it?
cloud tide
is this good?
opaque dune
is leech good for prot warriors? just got 2 low ilvl (head and legs ) items with leech on while grinding +2's for valor
hazy sluice
should i upgrade my hoof or ruby to 415 and play bonemaw and one of those? or bonemaw with bone and have two on use trinkets 😅
spare loom
what are the best trinkets from m+?
brittle silo
what are the best trinkets from m+?
windscar ftw
warm plinth
windscar, trampling hooves, blazebinder's hoof
round pendant
How do you guys do the last few packs on AA?
I usually just do two double pulls
Bottom of stairs + top of stairs
then mobs on grass + doorway and run inside
howeeeever, someone literally always dies to the beyblades
ionic fern
2 pulls.
-4 dudes from below + 3 guys from top of stairs;
-Pack infront of door + pack to the right of door.
If someone dies to beyblades that's on them.
Cba babysitting.
pallid quiver
i have to babysit or the people i play with get poopy with the healer and blame them
apparently i should sleep based on having to edit that message 5 times
blazing condor
If someone dies to beyblades that's on them.
literally my monk throwing keys because he's too stubborn to move out "because someone should've CC'd"
spare loom
windscar ftw
thanks
jaunty sierra
yo, anyone know if the wolves tricks has been fixed today in HoV
ionic fern
Which one?
jaunty sierra
when you put a caster on the fence
round pendant
It didn't work for me last week either, but I was told it wasn't fixed and I just did it wrong
🤔
ionic fern
Idk, we tried it on a 23 and diddn't work.
Last week.
But my route doesn't really pull wolves anyways, so irrelevant.
jaunty sierra
I did it monday and it worked well so I don't know
ionic plank
I think it still works, the caster just has to be right in the middle of the bollard
lilac jay
just play wolves after boss and casters jumping on stone behind wolf boss like in mdi
warm plinth
It is very finnicky at best.
ember tangle
It worked for me last week, but the ranged had to be on the pillar before we pulled
sick sentinel
i just took the wrong thing out of the vault
round pendant
sadge.
sick sentinel
tepid raptor
For current affixes mplus.sub says were B tier?
warm plinth
the fuck is mplus.sub
ember tangle
Only worse tank is druid
ionic fern
The way i play, it's definitely G tier.
warm plinth
LOL
round pendant
the fuck is mplus.sub
subcreation
ember tangle
I think it might be a problem with sample size
ember tangle
S is pala, a is empty
warm plinth
seems legit
lime urchin
what is tier
orchid frigate
spell block for skellies in SBG a bad idea?
amber siren
spell block for void slash is pretty common
weary saddle
void slash?
glad sorrel
Anyone else having problems with Automarker wa since last weeks reset? Was using dorki's and it just didnt mark anymore even after deleting and reimporting the wa
weary saddle
yes automark is broken
blazing condor
spell block for skellies in SBG a bad idea?
not bad because they truck but you can also just kite/outrange them
spare loom
are crit haste feet our best option?
amber siren
probably, a sim would be able to tell you for sure
spare loom
dont have anything else
to sim with
and was just wondering if I should upgrade them to 411
amber siren
yeah those are good stats to upgrade
spare loom
thank you
strong forum
For current affixes mplus.sub says were B tier?
sir, subcreation is just a popularity website based on the CURRENT AFFIX ROTATION
dusky fable
would you replace brood ring proc vs AA ring?
strong forum
reset JUST HAPPENED
dusky fable
i have FF Belt
blazing condor
pog
dusky fable
RLP NEW SMBG
dusky fable
@strong forum what are your thoughts on my sim if you can look for a sec?
strong forum
the data couldnt possibly be wrong
strong forum
would you replace brood ring proc vs AA ring?
dont play brood unless its 431 ring
dusky fable
would you value 1.5k dps vs brood ring shield?
strong forum
dps > 418 brood
dusky fable
so swap to my AA ring got it
blazing condor
https://gyazo.com/03e6e822c99999fe9bb85c3037df3488?token=a77fa48e0345c67e4cd824fa225ec6bf
even though tier lists/subcreation is a bit weirdge i like how neatly this list looks for the raid
dusky fable
wait
strong forum
subcreation said so
dusky fable
bear better then bdk
wintry nymph
xd
dusky fable
xd
wintry nymph
such bs
strong forum
be a smart person and NEVER look at subcreation for any kind of lists
the only thing you can do
is copy DPS PLAYERS talent builds and trinkets from there
not healer, not tank anything
only dps
cuz a DPS' goal is 1dimensional
tank and healer arent
frosty mango
It's literally just a stack ranking of dps
Putting it in an s-f rank system skews the data
frosty mango
That list is based on dps output from parses iirc
strong forum
Cuz it's a quick key to get catalyst charges
Based on key
So if pally is the only class that does 26s
Well, it's S tier
If everyone else does 25s, they're a, paladin s
Regardless of dps
blazing condor
5 tanks pog
strong forum
It ranks key level done first and foremost
If you're doing more dps but on a lower keylevel, get fucked you're still a tier lower
frosty mango
That's my problem with tier lists as a whole, they take qualitative data and display it quantitatively and it skews perception. Just because warrior is "first" and bdk is "last" doesn't mean bdk is bad.
It promotes a fallacy to the community, it's actively dangerous and they should just delete them
blazing condor
tldr misleading statistics
frosty mango
I will die on the "fuck tier lists" hill lol
strong forum
Yes
blazing condor
preaching to the choir honestly
strong forum
Tierlists are never accurate
blazing condor
everyone hates tier lists here
frosty mango
preaching to the choir honestly
Feelsgoodtho
frosty mango
There's tier lists on wowhead
strong forum
Those aren't made by big brains
blazing condor
there will be no tier list that you can generalise to the entirety of the playerbase
frosty mango
Go look on a per fight basis
strong forum
Tettles and Dratnos may be active alot, but they're by no means experts on all specs and classes, nobody is
blazing condor
kungen is
strong forum
Which is unfortunate
That money speaks louder than burying poor data evaluation
It's the same reason why pwar was so popular until now
median tulip
If I have to pug, I will usually take people with decent rating but playing an "off-meta" spec; chances are they kn ow their class better than a FOTM reroller
strong forum
Misinformation
Pally was always the better ultra key tank
But people got baited hard by every streamer and their mom screaming that pwar is the OP must play tank
strong forum
If I have to pug, I will usually take people with decent rating but playing an "...
This
frosty mango
If I have to pug, I will usually take people with decent rating but playing an "...
I do this and also look at completed keys
Someone with 5 15+ keys and 4 20+ keys is probably not going to be as solid as someone with 50-60 15+ and 4-5 20+ keys
strong forum
Very underwhelming
If possible replace soon
With icon/all-totem/whetstone/grieftorch
golden tartan
guessing for m+ its decent
uncut helm
No, it's bad all around at least for prot.
strong forum
It's not decent
ionic plank
but dratnos said it was good 
golden tartan
wowhead scamming me?
strong forum
The only tank it's not trash for is brew cuz brew gets 65% larger shields
golden tartan
i mean i have a puzzle box/hoof/whetstone
strong forum
Then just run hoof+whetstone
golden tartan
since im more of a fury main
median tulip
Whetstone is the bomb for M+
median tulip
I go Icon/All-totem in Raids
strong forum
It's not a trinket I'd Label as "good"
ionic plank
is copy *DPS PLAYERS* talent builds and trinkets from there
so what your saying is I shouldnt just copy the top talent build for each boss on subcreation for my reclear later? 
strong forum
For bosses, you just copy top parses from wcl
Not some dumb compilation usage list
In general, if you want to copy, do it from Warcraftlogs
Not from a compilation website
golden tartan
is it me or tjs last pack is harsh af
strong forum
It's tjs
golden tartan
on a +19 i was getting shred
strong forum
That pack is the most overpowered pack in the game
uncut helm
The third boss and that pack are notoriously strong.
median tulip
is it me or tjs last pack is harsh af
It's pretty nasty; spell block, spell reflect, wall and if necessary kite
ionic plank
blizzard really just said "yeah lets just fuck with tanks" when they randomly put that pack in the dungeon
median tulip
I don't mine challenging packs; it keeps people on their toes. Putting it right between 2 bosses is a bit harsh tho
uncut helm
Well Sbg is pretty on brand as the accepted easiest dungeon, but triple Shadow slash (might be void slash) in the beginning gets me a laugh any time someone isn't ready for it.
Temple really is just where they chose to have that pack.
potent harbor
hey guys before i start this week m+ madness, i certainly know want mainly classes which can dispel enrage? but which classes actually can?
i beleive its priest with md, rsham with purge
but theres for sure more, mbe hunt pets?
split remnant
When you look at armory profile of prot wars. Is their Haste stat so high because it includes talent "Into the Fray"? (Increase haste by 2% per ally or enemy standing near you up to 10%)
split remnant
but theres for sure more, mbe hunt pets?
Druids, I think Evoker that ability too but only talented.
potent harbor
@split remnant oh ye i have almost 50 with itf, in m+ i feel like im on perma drums
lime urchin
Uh oh
split remnant
Yes but I want to know if it shows up on their profile permanently
potent harbor
how much u saw?
split remnant
Because highest rated prot warriors have 35% haste and I have 27% without Into the Frey (I am standing near noone)
potent harbor
35 is without itf
split remnant
Thats impossible
ionic plank
hey guys before i start this week m+ madness, i certainly know want mainly clas...
neither md nor purge dispel enrage
you need hunter (tranq shot, they need to talent it), rogue (shiv) or evoker (oppresing roar(?) they also need to talent it)
split remnant
They have Higher crit then me, same amount of mastery and higher vers while having higher haste?
How is that possible?
potent harbor
higher ilvl
potent harbor
sockets mbe when they dont find anything in vault
also hoof trinket
500 haste free
split remnant
Hoof trinket?
ionic plank
neither md nor purge dispel enrage
you need hunter (tranq shot, they need to ta...
oh and druid
split remnant
I am dumb
I can just llook at myself 😄
Yep
its wrong
I dont have 34% haste
In game
I have 27.49%
potent harbor
well this is propably with itf u could jsut compare his number stat and eprcentage?
not rocket science
potent harbor
but its actually bullshiet
ionic plank
but with itf yours should be 37.49 in that case no?
potent harbor
4,5k haste is not 35 haste
25
so he is somehwere in city and get like few percentage itf i would assume
when he was screenshoted on armory
split remnant
It shows outrageous haste on every prot war on armory
I think it just includes talents
split remnant
He has 200 haste more than me
ionic plank
exactly
and he has higher haste %
lower stat value
but my in game value as fury matches my armory one
🤷
split remnant
I mean they can have stats that high
ionic plank
will check as prot later
split remnant
Math just isnt mathing
how does he have every single stat except mastery higher than me
While being the same ilvl.
potent harbor
his haste jsut from items is like 3,7k and he is 4,4k so....i would not take stats seriously tbh
split remnant
So how many stats people have is calculated based on their last "place" in real worlf of warcraft rather than it just calculating raw stats?
Thats weird.
potent harbor
i mean u can count all of ur stats together and see result and compare it with him
ill do it im curious
ionic plank
his haste jsut from items is like 3,7k and he is 4,4k so....i would not take sta...
his haste is 4127 but armory showing 4470 🤷
idk weird
split remnant
Btw What flasks and potions are you guys using?
ionic plank
oh but howling rune is on his weapon on armory lmao
so that's +310
and that makes it, or close enough
split remnant
I used to use Glacial Fury. Is it still the best or are you guys using something else?
strong forum
Eye in the storm in m+
Tepid vers in raid
Glacial fury gets worse the more ilvl you have
split remnant
It scool how much research you guys do
I just press buttons and it may work out somehow
potent harbor
his total stats 11045, mine total stats 11686 and i have hoof and whetstone so its 11686 - 1063, which is 10623 he has 3 sockets and i have 2 so difference between me and him 11045-10623-103 for hissocket(so we equalize) which is 319 difference, now my item level is 416 his is 419 but it can be also me is 415,8 and he is 419,4, so i believe this is jsut 319 stats diffenrece from those 3 ilvls, mainly because his ring is 431 and mine is 415 which is jsut by ring 150 stat diff
ye makes sense to me
percentage on haste can be bugged somehow but numbers are total fine
stray dome
hi, im about to start m 10 + and is a bit worried about handling the thundeirng affix. is it primarily my job to clear my own debuff?
potent harbor
no u tank
ionic plank
they changed it recently so that the tank is ALWAYS red, and then dps/healer are always 2 blue 2 red
so they never need you
potent harbor
like im usually helping pugs because last thing i want see is thunder in my face but jsut when its super safe and no cleave
ionic plank
melee can clear on you if it's safe/they want to
but you shouldnt move for it unless absolutely necessary
stray dome
ok, so its fine to let the debuff expire on myself?
ionic plank
as long as the rest are cleared, which they should be
potent harbor
ye but as i said dont trust pugs, try to do it by urself when u see melee close to you
stray dome
if to dangerous for dps
ionic plank
I'd recommend a weakaura to track if others have it
potent harbor
but its not ur main job rly
ur job is tank, route, knowledge, tempo, survive,
and decent deeps
hardy snow
I usually let dps/healers handle this, as alot of mobs have some kind of frontals/cleaves its not safe to spin around them, but when timer is ticking close, I just jump into them and dont give a single F if they get hit by any of these frontals 
sick sentinel
Prepared to NOT finish any keys in time today.
yogis view on keys above 15 this week
potent harbor
@hardy snow exactly i also jump when its 2 seconds or less, if someone dies go fuck urself bro, like i dont udnerstand why so amny people have tendency solve it on last second when u can do it instantly and chill
especially for example NO last boss, he cast upheaveal when u have to spread, ye imagine holding thudnering and get upheaveal(happened milion times to me) so people have to stack for thudnering but also spread for upheaveal ye gj bois
hardy snow
<@248919651227009035> exactly i also jump when its 2 seconds or less, if someon...
its not good to do instantly, this buff is quite useful
but they have enough time to use it and then safely clear
sick sentinel
i dislike having to try to find aomeone and then move to them to cleae, cuz it can create someone gets cleaved scenario
split remnant
Idk where the message to me gone
but I just wanted to say your hate is 33% because all your other stats are ass
haste*
potent harbor
i already made math dont know why u still digging into it, i have 5,4k haste, 3,2k crit, 2,1k mastery, 1,1k versa i feel super nice
split remnant
My message wasnt to you
someone said
that he is 413ivl and has 33% haste without ITF
So I said that his other stats are lower because of it.
I like to keep my balance, 33% haste isnt good I think.
potent harbor
it is good, so u can play itf and have perma shield block uptime
@ionic plank so only aoe dispel enrage has priest with md?
lofty widget
md isnt a soothe, its a dispel
potent harbor
so u cant md enrage? aha okay
what about blood elf race can arcane torment negate it?
lofty widget
nope
dusky canopy
I like to keep my balance, 33% haste isnt good I think.
This is not true at all.
You want as much haste as you can get up to like 7600 witch isn’t obtainable
You do not need Vers
Bait stat
potent harbor
im thinking, last week bolstering, when u have mob with 4-5 stack bolstered can it be compared to enrage + forti combo in terms of dmg? i dont know what expect from mobs this week
dusky canopy
Crit is second best
Mastery doesn’t hurt
Crit/haste is the play and then Whatever else you land on
And you switch to itf once you’re high haste because you don’t need hr to maintain shield block at that point
crystal mauve
Crit is second best
I thought vers was better than crit for raid due to the inconsistency of parry?
dusky canopy
So you’ll get more damage from itf
dusky canopy
I thought vers was better than crit for raid due to the inconsistency of parry?
Crit gives you damage
More than Vers
round pendant
im thinking, last week bolstering, when u have mob with 4-5 stack bolstered can ...
Run a dungeon and find out
dusky canopy
And also has the added chance to parry
potent harbor
@round pendant well ye i have 22 key so dont want fuck up, guess ill try some 18-19 and see
crystal mauve
Crit gives you damage
My phrasing was not clear, what if you are looking to survive more and damage is not an issue?
bronze ether
Would u then avoid Seal of Diurna since it gives no haste?
dusky canopy
I mean sure then Vers would survive better than Crit that is still true
But that is not the way
potent harbor
@sick sentinel well more dmg more IP aswell, faster boss/mobs death, less dmg taken
crystal mauve
Vers stacking is out dated
I’m still unsure why that changed so much tho?
dusky canopy
Vers was good in bfa because corruptions allowed you to get 40% +
lofty widget
try 80+
dusky canopy
You can’t stack it high enough to make it valuable
potent harbor
jsut paly aggresive im 90 percent time battle stance trying kill mobs asap, when mobs dead they cant do dmg
lofty widget
before it gets good due to DR
crystal mauve
But when I look at all best players and MDI builds they are stacking vers…?
potent harbor
it sounds simple but its right mindset i believe
potent harbor
wait u talk about mdi?
dusky canopy
Is wildly different
potent harbor
lo they have gear from enxt expansion
round pendant
MDI is not representative of what you'll be doing in your keys lmao
dusky canopy
Than what you or I should be doing
daring marlin
Also in the mdi they pull every pack to the boss in a +22
This needs to be bolded and underlined lol
potent harbor
@crystal mauve mdi never comapre they have gear from next expansion and cheese special items which does isnane dmg etc dont ever look on it
dusky canopy
@crystal mauve put it this way. If a Prot war plays like ass Vers won’t save you. And it gives you less overall damage than Crit would so why stack it?
The answer is you don’t. 
potent harbor
and play special tactics where they need special stats
also crit gives parry chance
radiant fog
See, I was new to DF and followed the Wowhead Prot Warrior guide
potent harbor
and i bvelieve it also speeds ur healign from ip and crit heals u get from healers
dusky canopy
Noms nick name right now is literally “parrygodx”
radiant fog
Now I'm styacked outta the ass on verse and have a long grind out of it lol
dusky canopy
daring marlin
potent harbor
@dusky canopy actually doesnt crit also inc ur effectivenes of healing from ip and leech and self healin talents? it can more crit? also more healing from healers or jsut self heal?
brittle silo
also crit gives parry chance
which is kind of a bait. Math wise parry >> vers, but on huge ass tank busters I'd rather have consistent -5-10% damage taken than a random chance to fully deny dmg.
Tho crit is always nice for dps
crystal mauve
<@297820240329310208> put it this way. If a Prot war plays like ass Vers won’t s...
True, I like crit for damage and parry un key where the number of hit reduce the variance at least. Anyway I don’t really have a lot of cases where I can choose between two pieces with the highest ilvl and different stats. I could recraft Lariat I guess
potent harbor
@brittle silo half tbs in this game can be reflected more like half
daring marlin
you're overthinking stats frankly
dusky canopy
which is kind of a bait. Math wise parry >> vers, but on huge ass tank busters I...
If you play correctly every “tank buster” is already mitigated before considering Vers
potent harbor
i enver died on tb
quiet monolith
How are you guys liking to pull hov construct, the pathing one inside the first indoor area.
potent harbor
u reflect or just victory rush back plus ip shield
quiet monolith
Do you pull it with the three center mobs
lofty widget
dont pull it
potent harbor
like for example ruby life pool all bosses tbs can be reflected
azure vault again all tbs can be reflected
dusky canopy
you're overthinking stats frankly
True this, just get ilvl until you have two pieces at the same ilvl then you worry about stats In witch case haste>Crit>=Vers>mastery
crystal mauve
<@224952758808215555> actually doesnt crit also inc ur effectivenes of healing ...
I don’t understand what you mean with crit and IP, can you elaborate? How does crit make Ip better? With 4P?
brittle silo
ofc u can use skills not to get 1shot by tbs. It's just vers vs crit discussion. Pure defensive wise vers is just more consistent than parry chance
brittle silo
like for example ruby life pool all bosses tbs can be reflected
2nd boss is bleed, isn't it?
crystal mauve
like for example ruby life pool all bosses tbs can be reflected
Cant reflect RLP 2nd tank buster tho
dusky canopy
ofc u can use skills not to get 1shot by tbs. It's just vers vs crit discussion....
This is true but not the play imo
potent harbor
@crystal mauve more dmg u do more ip u stack on urself
@crystal mauve u reflect add aoe
lofty widget
Cant reflect RLP 2nd tank buster tho
no you parry that one
brittle silo
This is true but not the play imo
If somebody asks the question about stat prio it's safer to recommend consistency imho
crystal mauve
<@297820240329310208> u reflect add aoe
Add aoe is not tank buster tho, I though you mean the bleed
lofty widget
the real stat prio is strength>>>haste>everything else
brittle silo
the real stat prio is strength>>>haste>everything else
This
potent harbor
@crystal mauve i paly mainly withe voker who negates bleeds so im not even thinking about bleeds
which is also think u play with some teammates which can help u with tbs
in some way
brittle silo
<@297820240329310208> u reflect add aoe
u reduce dmg taken by 20% (?)
crystal mauve
<@297820240329310208> i paly mainly withe voker who negates bleeds so im not ev...
Lucky you 🥹 I just can’t survive RLP23 (Tyra) 2nd boss as non dwarf
potent harbor
@brittle silo when i relfect add aoe i took zero dmg always, with stacked ip
also high avoidance i guess
dusky canopy
If somebody asks the question about stat prio it's safer to recommend consistenc...
Tbf though telling people to stack Vers isn’t exactly leading them in the best direction
quiet monolith
Don't pull that or the three pack
How do I not pull it ? Just wait for it to pat and pray we have the DPS to clear the hall ?
paper nexus
The only boss I struggle with is 3rd TJS boss.. f that jade kick shit
quiet monolith
Before it comes back ?
brittle silo
<@468097256013430785> when i relfect add aoe i took zero dmg always, with stack...
Ye, me neither. I'm just nitpicking. It's not negating damage, it's reducing. Hence my comment
rough solar
Is it possible for us to interrupt Frost Overload using Disrupting Shout in the same way paladins can do it with Avenger Shield/Divine Toll?
crystal mauve
The only boss I struggle with is 3rd TJS boss.. f that jade kick shit
You can only do so much, your healer must be good too there
dusky canopy
Lucky you 🥹 I just can’t survive RLP23 (Tyra) 2nd boss as non dwarf
Yeah Evoker is game changer on blazehoof
potent harbor
@crystal mauve nah, big def cd, stacked ip, shield block, victory rush back, i have 10 percent versa with tepid flask and not have issue on 22 like menaing im not evne close to death
and im speaking with pug without evo
potent harbor
@brittle silo ye ofc my bad with english explanation
brittle silo
Played with disco priest last time on 23. Wasn'e able to outheal absorb. I lived through 1st strike. 2nd one just dunked me down. And it was IV/potted :v
dusky canopy
I’ve only seen blazehoof at +21tyr and I survived it with 3% Vers and a Resto shaman
potent harbor
@brittle silo but u got point, spell reflect to much op i would ignore versa, dont know at leats on my 20-23 keys, i dont know what happens beyond it but i would say it same shiet and just dps do more dps so u kill faster or bye bye
crystal mauve
<@297820240329310208> nah, big def cd, stacked ip, shield block, victory rush b...
Here is what happened in my 23 Tyra last week. Shield block/shield wall/Def stance and stacked IP. I died in 3.3Sec…
dusky canopy
Right
paper nexus
The way I survived my +22 was Healthstone, Health pot, last stand, rally, IV, def stance and some defs here and t here
but it was a nail biter
limpid anchor
Wait nvm, is divine star the frontal thing that goes back and forth?
potent harbor
i mean whole that time u didnt have shield wall
limpid anchor
He used it on 95%
round pendant
Look at the time on the left
Shield wall was 3.3 seconds ago
death was 0 seconds ago
brittle silo
Wait. How u got 90k hit?!
Weren't u eating that to your back?
It's the dot that is the tankbuster
dusky canopy
Oh he didn’t pre shield wall
potent harbor
i was confused because i saw eleemntal dmg on the end
brittle silo
not the inithit
dusky canopy
That’s the goof
limpid anchor
Oh he didn’t pre shield wall
Shouldn’t matter
dusky canopy
Wait wait
limpid anchor
Yes
brittle silo
He got hit to the back
limpid anchor
That isn’t the issue
dusky canopy
He could of already been 95%
brittle silo
4 hits. 90k each
lofty widget
90k hits seem too high to be blocked
brittle silo
Even w/o IP u shouldn't get hit 90k each with wall
limpid anchor
True, especially not with wall
knotty vessel
Yo, quick question: When do I replace my Cobalt assembly ring?
dusky canopy
Honestly he couldnt have really stacked more
limpid anchor
Yo, quick question: When do I replace my Cobalt assembly ring?
When ever something sims higher
dusky canopy
Yo, quick question: When do I replace my Cobalt assembly ring?
As soon as possible with better stats
You don’t need the absorb
knotty vessel
Ah okay, thanks!
brittle silo
Basically 4 init hits shouldn't even get you below 80% hp. It's the dot that is making my asshole sweat
dusky canopy
Here is what happened in my 23 Tyra last week. Shield block/shield wall/Def stan...
Healer pretty much didn’t heal you. They were most likely running around instead of healing
You died in dstance and wall
round pendant
I don't understand how people in high keys on RLP don't understand the second boss
brittle silo
Ah okay, thanks!
You can run 'sideways' to both block and don't loose too much movement speed btw
lofty widget
no he just turned his back to the boss
potent harbor
@brittle silo or u leap away 🙂
paper nexus
I had a DH yesterday in a +20 TJS that kept dying to the erupting water. "I wAsN'T eVeN iN tHe WaTeR??????"
potent harbor
they brain dmged
brittle silo
<@468097256013430785> or u leap away 🙂
still, leap sideways. Searing blows is ranged. Boss can hit you to the back in a leap. But yea, leap trivializes a lot
potent harbor
@brittle silo i mean what i do i stay next to aoe add with boss next to me but im on 90 angle with my path so im movihn with boss out liek we dance together facing each toehr and i mvoe with D button out
dusky canopy
I had a DH yesterday in a +20 TJS that kept dying to the erupting water. "I wAsN...
Really find it amusing when the havoc try’s to flame you for frontals too lmao
vale dust
I've just been lurking reading this whole thread. Enjoyable content.
Although I'm scared to lose Vers! I make mistakes sometimes. Obviously that shouldn't happen, but doesn't the extra vers help a little with damage reduction?
I'm specifically asking in regards to Tyr bosses, not the add packs
brittle silo
<@468097256013430785> i mean what i do i stay next to aoe add with boss next to ...
it's exactly what I meant. We're on a same side in here. Just reminding that on a leap aswell as I used to do this mistake, and wondering why did I got 80% health drop 😄
potent harbor
@brittle silo ye maybe leap is not good i think it puts u on back situation evne on milisecond thats true
dusky canopy
I've just been lurking reading this whole thread. Enjoyable content.
Although I'...
It’s not totally wrong to have Vers it’s just not necessary, also Crit gives more damage.
If you feel safer running it go for it
lofty widget
I've just been lurking reading this whole thread. Enjoyable content.
Although I'...
sure it "helps" but the extra DR is almost never enough to keep you alive anyway
brittle silo
I've just been lurking reading this whole thread. Enjoyable content.
Although I'...
on tyr bosses vers will help you more than crit. Although 3-4% DR ( I guess it's max amount u can wiggle w/o losing ilvl) won't be gamechanger. Treat it as nice to have and don't bother with changing whole gear in order to get some
round pendant
if I have a +19 dungeon in tyr and +17 fort, how many points will I get for getting fort to +19?
lofty widget
like 10 % vers is 5 % DR and that aint gonna save you from anything
brittle silo
if I have a +19 dungeon in tyr and +17 fort, how many points will I get for gett...
~8-10
potent harbor
@vale dust but the thing is, more dmg u do, faster boss is killed, it maybe doesnt look as much but tis diff if i do 45k st and other tank do 30k st, also IP with 4set returns 15 percent dmg u do into shield, again doesnt look much but if i do 55k overall dmg and u do 40k overall dmg it can be for example 5mil more shield on my side form doing more dmg
dusky canopy
You will succeed with better play not because you had Vers to “maybe” survive a mistake
potent harbor
@vale dust alkso im spending 80-90 percent time in battle stance in 20+ keys with correct def rotation knowing when use what, its not about versa rly
dusky canopy
Tho this should get me that 🤔
FREE points right there my guy! Go get ‘em
round pendant
Dunno how I only 1*'d that CoS 16
hollow hill
So real talk how often are people running in defensive stance? I pretty much sit in battle stance most of the time and only switch to defensive for really heavy damage. Haven't had any complaints from my healers so far
potent harbor
like we warriors have so inane tool kit(spell reflect and spell block) that u can be battle stance on high magic pack pull and fapping with spell block for example
dusky canopy
Only to dr a tank buster
brittle silo
Dunno how I only 1*'d that CoS 16
the higher u go the better players u get. 20s are kind of a sweetspot. Many people are doing weeklies on their alts so they just know how to play
dusky canopy
Otherwise bstance
round pendant
lmao 5/8 of my fortified keys aren't timed lmao
vale dust
I suppose I shouldn't rely on vers to make up for my mistakes.
I have an example but don't have the logs handy ATM.
Last boss in AV.
I didn't have my Reflect up in time and had already used my Wall for a Dragon Strike. Basically I took one Dragon Strike without reflect it Shield Wall (I had block and IP up) and it did about 90% of my health! It was only a 20 Tyr too 😭
brittle silo
Otherwise bstance
wdym, only to 3 bosses kekw
brittle silo
crawth/blazehoof/flameheart. Or when I fuck up, which surely of course never happens
brittle silo
I've never put my back to the mobs and dropped 100-20 real quick
round pendant
It feels fucking awful to use dstance against 2nd rlp boss tho
or crawth
or any bleeds tbh
potent harbor
@brittle silo when i think about it bird is only boss where im some time def stance, jsut when he autoattacks plus tb still half time u spend bstance(when he does all other shiet 😄 )
round pendant
Cause you're nerfing yourself for a bleed that's coming right back shortly after
patent saddle
is hunger of pack good trinket for prot ?
round pendant
No but that chest is.
dusky canopy
Ehhhh
brittle silo
I suppose I shouldn't rely on vers to make up for my mistakes.
I have an example...
Ye. strike can 1shot u w/o DOT if you dont play something.
potent harbor
or when u use def kit i go bstance with shield wall, last stand or even with shield charge cause u spam ips liek crazy god
dusky canopy
is hunger of pack good trinket for prot ?
Do you already have both 421 tier chest and 421 tier gloves?
tropic tangle
hunger of the pack is fine
patent saddle
this is what i use
vale dust
I use Hunger currently, no better trinket atm
brittle silo
<@468097256013430785> when i think about it bird is only boss where im some tim...
Once we're over fireballs stun I stay perma in dstance. Healer got enough to worry about not to top me everytime
potent harbor
@vale dust u use spell reflect on 10 percent of ds cast so its back for next one, if u dont have spell relfect u have spell block which negates 90 percent of dmg
potent harbor
@brittle silo sure healer not panicking and i know its not my personal one i also go def stance perma full so he is calm
patent saddle
so i take that chest and make it to tier ?
brittle silo
this is what i use
use catalyst for both the gloves and chest
brittle silo
421 pack is just huge ass statstick tbf
patent saddle
my gloves are crit haste , still make them to tier ?
dusky canopy
You’d have better times with all totem/hoof/whetstone
brittle silo
my gloves are crit haste , still make them to tier ?
it will change to fixed tier stats
dusky canopy
my gloves are crit haste , still make them to tier ?
No keep gloves
dusty mica
👊
patent saddle
@dusky canopy so chest and make it to tier then as i am using 418 tier chest ?
cloud umbra
ill fight that one haha. There would be no progression
dusky canopy
<@224952758808215555> so chest and make it to tier then as i am using 418 tier c...
Yes 421 tier chest is bis you already have bis gloves and pack is meh
patent saddle
ok ths
dusky canopy
round pendant
Nah trinkets should be valuable based on their effect/use, progression would be getting an objectively better trinket (for whatever use-case) or just alternative ones for different situations
brittle silo
Yes 421 tier chest is bis you already have bis gloves and pack is meh
oh yea, I forgot tier gloves stats are dogshit
round pendant
Going from a 395 to a 402 to a 405 trinket/etc of the same trinket is meh and feels like a pointless number increase
brittle silo
Going from a 395 to a 402 to a 405 trinket/etc of the same trinket is meh and fe...
DoS scale would like to have a talk with you ^^
cloud umbra
yea thats all the gear though IMO haha
tropic tangle
what even is that take, that's like every piece of gear
dusky canopy
brittle silo
I agree that specific uses like cheat death or something are broken on every ilvl and that doesn't change at all with upgrades. But on the other hand u have windscar which is just hugeassdpsonuse where the ilvl upgrade is required
dusky canopy
ok ths guys
Also one more nit pick, that broodkeeper ring is beans get something with better stats, farm cos ring or something
Cheers
brittle silo
Removing ilvl from trinkets would require to rework trinkets itself. Windscar in that case should have removed any base dmg and just scale off the player stats
round pendant
There's various neat trinkets from world content that aren't used because you'll never get them above like 380 ilvl
brittle silo
Which would disrupt player progression path a little bit
round pendant
Their effects could scale on your mainstat or whatever else
Trinkets are supposed to be utility or extra abilties, feels fucking stupid to have that scale on where you got the drop from
brittle silo
There's various neat trinkets from world content that aren't used because you'll...
and let's keep it that way. world content is meant to be locked on certain ilvl. And I'm 100% in on that take
round pendant
It's literally a dead item when it could be useful and more fun things, how is that good?
tropic tangle
yeah, farming world content late into a patch for trinket drops would be fucking awful
dusky canopy
Ilvl is good
round pendant
Yeah because farming CoS 50 times for a whetstone is fun?
cloud umbra
yea, i dont believe a casual player should have the same level of power, even if it's just trinkets
brittle silo
It's literally a dead item when it could be useful and more fun things, how is t...
open world content is meant as a progression for new characters or a casuals which are fine with not a high ilvl
tropic tangle
no, but having to do both?
brittle silo
Imagine having to farm bell like u did in SL
dusky canopy
round pendant
I'm talking about trinkets specifically lmao, they're not gonna magically have the same power level as someone doing raids/m+
brittle silo
I'm talking about trinkets specifically lmao, they're not gonna magically have t...
That's what it will be like. If you have some random way to upgrade open world items to m+/mythic level you'll have double the item pool to balance
round pendant
What
cloud umbra
Id be more in line with making OP trinkets easier to get instead of farming dungs 1000 times
than to remove ILVL
dusky canopy
Idk I don’t want easy to get max ilvl gear
It should be hard
It’s the whole reason gear drops are exciting
round pendant
I'm not saying treat them like fuckin maxed out gear for the season
I'm saying remove their ilvl and scale their effects to your overall ilvl or mainstat
cloud umbra
I mean, it does feel completely bad when you have a shit vault 6 times in a row trinket wise, and all your friends are getting 421 whetstones and shit
dusky canopy
Also true @cloud umbra
round pendant
That way, all the dead content trinkets are... useful?
cloud umbra
RNG too much sometimes
tropic tangle
I'm saying remove their ilvl and scale their effects to your overall ilvl or mai...
so now trinkets in your vault are a dead slot
no matter what?
brittle silo
That way, all the dead content trinkets are... useful?
Trinket are too much of a power spike. It would be a nightmare to balance imho
cloud umbra
Hey they aren't completely dead, they were being used in the MDI 🙂
tropic tangle
lol, just thinking like, cool, two trinkets and a sidegrade would be useless because the whetstone from +2 cos is the same as your vault trink
patent saddle
Also one more nit pick, that broodkeeper ring is beans get something with better...
i have cos ring and i have ring from nokhund with socket in it all 405 could upgrade them, is it really bad on prot ?
round pendant
so now trinkets in your vault are a dead slot
wdym, how would it be a dead slot
brittle silo
yeah, you'd have to remove trinkets from your GV
which would be dogshit as u have 1kill of a raidboss a week. And u can kill elites daily. And farm endlessly m+
dusky canopy
i have cos ring and i have ring from nokhund with socket in it all 405 could upg...
The absorb is meh and the massive mastery is reallly mehh I’d valor cos ring to 415 imo
round pendant
Unless you're talking about like the potential 418/421 trinkets currently
tropic tangle
if trinkets have no ilvl, then a cos +2 drop is equivalent to a maxed vault slot
dusky canopy
i have cos ring and i have ring from nokhund with socket in it all 405 could upg...
You could sim both at 415 and see what wins I’m guessing it’ll be cos ring even without socket but sockets do have a lot of value
cloud umbra
trinkets from DF dungeons you'd just spam normal to get it which would feel so stupid
tropic tangle
or like having to run LFR for chance at icon / eranog ring
round pendant
I like trinkets as a concept I just think it's trash how there's like 6 viable ones
- you're acting like they wouldn't just redesign the loot pools for em
tropic tangle
not ring
cloud umbra
i can agree with that yam. Bringing the shit trinkets up to the insane trinkets would fix a lot of issues
patent saddle
1 of nokhund rings has socket it in cos one doesnt
cloud umbra
there's a ton of trinkets in the m+ pool that are just throwaway
ionic plank
then a world boss trinket becomes bis and you kill it every time it's up for the entire expansion and never get the drop
tropic tangle
^
patent saddle
i either then equip instead cos ring that is crit haste , or nokhund ring with socket that is vers haste,or 1 can craft 1x ring 418 with haste vers ?
round pendant
I despise world bosses
cloud umbra
same its brainless
tropic tangle
I mean, again, the content is there for bridging the gap into M+ / raiding much like other open world content
brittle silo
I mean, again, the content is there for bridging the gap into M+ / raiding much ...
some might get that as a 'content' but for anybody that runs m+/raids it's just a catchup mechanic ^^
ionic plank
I think you'd be surprised how many people never set foot into m+ and raiding and that open world content is their endgame
tropic tangle
so you hate world bosses. good news, you don't have to farm them (or other open world content) for an upgrade past a certain point
ionic plank
it could be a cool idea if ilvl was irrelevant for trinkets
it wouldnt mean "people who dont do raids get the bis gear for free"
because their effectiveness would scale with your stats
it would just mean some cool effects that get lost within 1 reset might still be usable
but there would have to be some big logistical changes to how you acquire some trinkets (like world bosses)
(and quite a bit of balancing work on the dev end so it's not happening 
)
round pendant
vagrant oracle
I mean. It can’t be that hard. Make them like PVP gear and just add the scaling factor 🤷🏻♂️ seems like the foundation is there.
brittle silo
I mean. It can’t be that hard. Make them like PVP gear and just add the scaling ...
wait, wdym
I haven't stepped foot into PVP since 15 years so I honestly dont know what you mean
vagrant oracle
PVP gear already has 2 sets of stats. Your reg ilvl and then your PVP ilvl and it scales whether you’re in PVP or not.
Foundations wise though, we already get scaling gear from quests and events like timewalking.
I think more the reason they wouldn’t do it is because it’s less incentive to farm new content for gear if a trinket you really like can stay relevant.
ionic plank
there is an argument to do that for m+ entirely to separate m+ and raid gearing
brittle silo
I think more the reason they wouldn’t do it is because it’s less incentive to fa...
This might be a thing, but tbf all the trinkets are a copy of sth from the past anyway. The specific ones like cheatdeath from CN Kael have rare usecases anyway. Other ones are just 'press me to do dmg'
patent saddle
whats best way to farm fast alot valor ?
doing low lvl keys ?
like how low what lvl of keys ?
brittle silo
doing low lvl keys ?
+2 rlp
brittle silo
there is an argument to do that for m+ entirely to separate m+ and raid gearing ...
As I'd love that cause I'm doing only m+ this season, I'd say that more than half of m+ players are doing raid aswell
sick sentinel
confirmed tjs is 420 blazingly fast
modest grove
Why is RLP s tier this week?
sick sentinel
for baby valor keys
patent saddle
kk
round pendant
Raid gearing feels like shit.
vagrant oracle
I think the fastest we mowed down RLP was a touch above 8 minutes lol
And yeah. Raid gearing has been a slog.
round pendant
It needs to be modernised and Mythic needs the id locks removed
Also why do I get a 415 in the vault for killing shit in mythic but a +20 is significantly easier and I get a 421?
brittle silo
Why is RLP s tier this week?
because only hard mob there this week is stormdrake tbf
clever vortex
I think the fastest we mowed down RLP was a touch above 8 minutes lol
Do it in 3 pulls
- To first boss
- All elementals to 2nd boss
- Run to miniboss
vagrant oracle
I don’t even have that big an issue with loot rolls. I have an issue with the first few weeks of lockouts people were able to need roll on things they shouldn’t have been able to.
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEnVifMt4qs this absolute shit show of a key i ran yesterday and the video, my reaction to it
vale dust
I do agree the raid vault is WEAK in terms of difficulty per ilvl reward.
Makes Raiding even less desirable to me 😛
round pendant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEnVifMt4qs this absolute shit show of a key i r...
Why wouldn't you leave
brittle silo
Also why do I get a 415 in the vault for killing shit in mythic but a +20 is sig...
I saw guilds having 3/8M with they're roster not timing 16s
sick sentinel
cuz i caused 2 of the group wipes by double pulling cinder bolt packs twiice
cold wyvern
This has probably been answered, but what do I train my dragon for if I have ruby whelp shell. Is it a viable tanking trinket? Pretty much exclusively running M+
round pendant
cuz i caused 2 of the group wipes by double pulling cinder bolt packs twiice
That shouldn't be a wipe in +12 hehe
brittle silo
This has probably been answered, but what do I train my dragon for if I have rub...
ST
patent saddle
what trinket should i upgrade to go with my rlp one ? my boon is normal raid lvl ,is burgeoning seed good to upgrade ?
sick sentinel
lots of randomg nothing deaths on trash probably lead to why i wasn't playing right, but im not gunna make that excuse
round pendant
what trinket should i upgrade to go with my rlp one ? my boon is normal raid lvl...
Whetstone
sick sentinel
someone in the group at the end pointed out "healer cant heal"
vagrant oracle
cuz i caused 2 of the group wipes by double pulling cinder bolt packs twiice
If it makes you feel better I ran one yesterday I thought would be easy valor, and 2 of the DPS and the healer acted like they’d never seen the dungeon before. Heals died 2-3 times before the first boss.
brittle silo
someone in the group at the end pointed out "healer cant heal"
so not your fault. ggez.
sick sentinel
What embelishement are high io prot war using? Beside the food buff
i don't know if thats true or i was just taking too much damage and they have to heal me over others
vagrant oracle
That’s hard to say without a log, but I’ve seen some shenanigans the last two weeks
sick sentinel
im willing to bet if checked the log for it, i'd see 50-70% blocks
down from what it should be
brittle silo
i don't know if thats true or i was just taking too much damage and they have to...
as a tank you're never mistaken. you overestimated your team 
vagrant oracle
I think people got carried up while we were farming valor and are trying to run keys now
cold wyvern
as a tank you're never mistaken. you overestimated your team <:copium:8390762834...
My god, I just met you but you seem pretty brilliant and smart
copper igloo
as prot should i stay in prot stance all the time?
vagrant oracle
Battle stance baby
brittle silo
My god, I just met you but you seem pretty brilliant and smart
as a tanks we all are 🧠
vagrant oracle
All day. Treat it like a defensive cooldown if necessary, but should be mostly battle stance
sick sentinel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rjZTcxABfyRmgLNw/#fight=last i didnt check anything at all on this key, time to see shit blocks, and tons of wasted rage low cpm i bet
round pendant
I am making it my mission to never use dstance ever
young dove
for mythic raiding what alliance race yall think is best? mechagnone seems clutch with the 15% hp, kultiran seems good for dmg over time. or is human just bis?
sick sentinel
we died, so much on this key 😦 it broke me
sick sentinel
casts, low, i see that much, assuming 8cpm should be more like 15-20, ss rev
vagrant oracle
Shield block looked like 70% uptime and only 4 kicks.
vale dust
Yo Prot experts chime in!
Imagine: you are flying into the first PAT of the dungeon in Nok, on 22 Fort. What is your opener prio?
Charge > Avatar > Shield Block > Clap > AND THEN???
Basically, what buttons do you press next between Ravager, Revenge, Thunder Roar, Demo Shout, Shield Slam, etc?!?
I feel like I do my opener wrong sometimes after the initial charge.
vagrant oracle
I’ll also say this. If you’re going to take Spell Block, use it. If you’re not going to use it, use the other side for more damage and threat
sick sentinel
no more de other side plz blizzard 😦
Anyone knows if you can still valor point upgrade item once you catalysed them or you have to level them before using the tool ?
i will delete my account if i have to mythic + dos in DF (not really, but i hate that place so much 😦
vale dust
Anyone knows if you can still valor point upgrade item once you catalysed them o...
You can still upgrade after Catalyzing
sick sentinel
You can still upgrade after Catalyzing
You are 100% sure about that?
So i dont waste charges 😄
dos give me ptsd
vale dust
I am 98% sure because you just caused me to have doubt
surreal ember
@vale dust ravager, roar, demo, whetstone
vale dust
I do it on my toons. So yes, I am now 99.7% sure
vale dust
<@107187759592034304> ravager, roar, demo, whetstone
Did you press ignore pain a couple times in that mix?
surreal ember
Ya, with all that rage
vagrant oracle
I do it on my toons. So yes, I am now 99.7% sure
Imagine it works for you, but not him. And Blizz won’t tell you who is experiencing the bug 💀
vale dust
Imagine it works for you, but not him. And Blizz won’t tell you who is experienc...
An evil scenario to imagine 😳
vale dust
Ya, with all that rage
So after your demo + maelstrom, I'm assuming you go into Shield Slam > and rotate clap and revenge basically?
rain light
Anyone knows if you can still valor point upgrade item once you catalysed them o...
have to upgrade first
brisk bison
Anyone knows if you can still valor point upgrade item once you catalysed them o...
If you convert a M+ piece to tier you can 💯 upgrade it
sick sentinel
have to upgrade first
You guys are sending conflicting message
wind hare
Anyone knows if you can still valor point upgrade item once you catalysed them o...
You can upgrade after catalyzed
100%
feral nebula
So after your demo + maelstrom, I'm assuming you go into Shield Slam > and rotat...
a wise man in here said: always generate rage > spend rage, cuz of Angermanagement, so yeah: Shield Slam > and rotate clap and revenge, spend rest into IP
vale dust
You guys are sending conflicting message
I PROMISE. CONFIRMED. 100% you can upgrade with valor AFTER something is converted.
I double checked with my current tier pieces.
distant crystal
sick sentinel
Cool thx 🙂
round pendant
You can upgrade gear after catalysing it.
sick sentinel
whats the argument agianst thunderlords in mythic + why you drop it for battering ram
round pendant
Thunderlord sucks
Battering Ram doesn't
Thunderlord will cause booming voice to desync from other CDs and you'll get less damage overall
That's the logic I've heard
BR is good everywhere
patent saddle
is burgeoning seed good for defensive trinket ? or still wheetstone is better to use instead of that ?
patent saddle
ah ok
round pendant
I'd rather use burgeoning seed than dstance
uneven mason
....you'd rather hobble yourself for a whole dungeon rather than use a cd?
round pendant
yes
split remnant
Wait. Are you unironically saying
That using battle stance is the proper way?
Unironically now 😄
round pendant
I am anti-dstance
urban portal
its the proper way yeah
lofty widget
why would you choose to do 10 % less dmg?
when the 15 % DR isnt needed in 99 % of cases
split remnant
Because its also 20% less dmg to me?
uneven mason
That using battle stance is the proper way?
Yes, we're tanky enough, defensive is just like any other CD, use it if you need to
urban portal
but this game really isnt that hard that you need the 15% DR all the tiem
wow damage comes in spikes
round pendant
Shield block gives you like a permanent ~40% damage reduction on all melee attacks
AND a dps buff
uneven mason
Basically the tankbusters in some boss fights and if your healer is sussy when you do a larger pull
uneven mason
Shield block gives you like a permanent ~40% damage reduction on all melee attac...
Wat
round pendant
what do you mean wat
It lets you block attacks
which is like a 40ish % reduction right
urban portal
its not
round pendant
It's not???
uneven mason
Right but 40% isn't accurate it varies based on your sbv
uncut helm
And mastery, and brace for impact.
urban portal
its a function of your shield
daring marlin
BORING
round pendant
My point was just going to be that @split remnant will become a better tank if he just goes bstance and presses shield block more
split remnant
Idk I feel like I am dying enough.
round pendant
Cause I doubt he's maintaining 95% blocked hits
split remnant
(By dying I mean taking dmg)
urban portal
what key level you are doing
round pendant
Taking damage is what tanks do 
split remnant
My highest is 22 CoS