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IP Uptime is kind of a meme, but it's easy to check and see if someone is just goofing with their spending
You press IP to vent rage and to pad for hits
That's all.
Taking a lot of damage from a triple pull on Fort? Probably gonna press a lot of IP and it may not last all that long, but the mitigation it provides is still worth pressing it to smooth intake.
Doing an easy single while your DPS' CDs roll? Probably wont press it at all.
how would you check blocked hits?
Reality is at a glance it seems like I probably should have been pulling bigger, since I never really dipped under 50% without using it -- but that wouldn't have impacted his complaint.
and you want functionally 100% blocked?
I mean you just wanna block everything you can
Yea. Not 100% uptime but you can have it up 100% of the time while in combat.
There’s no reason it should fall off during combat.
You'll probably get hit in the back when gathering mobs and stuff
Remember, your goal is to not die
it does
the bleed trucks
so plan your defensives
Yeah fair.
So yeah, I guess my takeaway is what I started with: I probably should have been pulling bigger for this group (though somewhat limited opportunity for that in AA) but, pushing IP more wouldn't have made a difference.
I played with an evoker for first time yesterday. They removed bleeds and I took sweet fa on a 22 last week
i just started tanking, my versatilty is 4% lmao
Doesn't matter at all
just ran a +18aa, wouldve timed the key probably if not for the stupid death on craw
he was at like 5% health
probably just gonna run all 15-18s on this affix as a prot spec and then see how it goes later on
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if i have to explain the joke thing here, its ruined
if your leech outhealed your IP chances are you wasted a ton of rage
I did it, I passed 2.6k 🙂 goal for this week done 😄
Almost certainly. But pushing IP more (and spending marginally more rage) means less damage. If you're not particularly threatened, why not do more damage? That's my logic at least.
you cant possibly spend all your rage within your globals, so ip should be preventing that, which fuels anger management which fuels more avatars and more dam
A lot of people who aren't prot warriors think prot war is strong because of Ignore Pain. You should probably get used to hearing that take lol
Hmm that's fair, it's off GCD. Could just push it more.
grieftorch trash on council?
I have Grieftorch, Whetstone, All-Totem, Deco, Hoof, Ruby, RWS
so all-totem over grief?
all totem is good for mythic plus
i dont have sims or anything to back me up
just that your always getting hit on council
so all-totem has good value
Hey just looking at my vault this week, 421 ruby whelp shell or do i stick with my 415 whetstone and blazebinders? If i dont take the whelp shell itll be a weapon for arms lol
I would probably go all totem, whetstone.
weapon for arms imo
okay cool, was healing that way too lol thanks 🙂
is it my fault if the healer keeps dying
it was 398 when i got it this morning one more run im about to start and it same ilvl as equiped
i got 411 rlp crit versa shit
As long as it isn't melee or interrupts and you have stuns/ kicks
How good is a 408 storm eater? I have heroic all totem and heroic torch.
Deciding between storm eater or a rasz axe for my dps specs
storm eater is poop.
👍 ty was already leaning towards the axe
ran a bunch of 2s and 3s on my fresh warr yesterday, then one +10 for vault and got that shield in the +10 lol. Nice little surprise
For my second trinket after Whetstone, would you recommend a 415 Granyth Scale, 408 Whispering Incarnate, or 402 Decoration of Flame (with Diurna Ring and Frostfire Belt)
@strong forum futurecrafting but how do you feel prot war will tank the other 4 df dungeons? iirc there's no cringe bleed boss to bend us over like 2nd RLP and bird
do we block/parry/dodge during grieftorch channel
infinitely worse
brackenhide and halls of infusion are caster nightmares
riddled with debuffs
neltharion has lots of dots, probably loads of bleeds aswell
whats the 4th dungeon
It's hexed
I aint going near BHH without a priest
uldaman should be fine?ish
Ulda has some sleeper bullshit
will have to see
idk boss wise I feel we're fine? but some nelth trash is pure ass
Curse of Stone is toxic
There's usually like 4 of them and they all have really late casts after engage for some reason
uldaman will have phatty pulls
yeah ulda looks fun besides last boss on tyr lul
but yeah
Honestly dreading the golem on tyr more
I can see that fire beam slicing people in twain
df s2 rn seems to be alot harder than s1 dungeons
uldaman also has..... SSSHIIIIEELLLD CHHHAARGGGEE!!!! ooof me head
i got zero time to reroll BDK so ive just been playing lots of arms
if pally goes live unadjusted, prot/ret will rule the world lmao
it will be adjusted
but itll still be king
wog, sac, devo aura, disease dispell, bop, spellwarding, interrups, CR
qrva (critcakes ret pal friend) is sustaining something like 400k on 5 targets over 5 mins
you cant beat that
as to why pally needed CR im still lost on
pally was busted from the get go of DF
people just didnt pick up on it forever
besides andy
well they were bugged as shit on beta no? and nobody really noticed those bugs got fixed.
prot pal is defenitely taking over, im levelling mine rn
but he had his doubts initially when he started pushing
cuz he felt that pwar was better defensively
but world first keys arent capped by tank survival
theyre capped by DPS survival
replace BSV with reprisal there is my hot hake
so paladin is just goated
so that healer that kept dying? he said "i need a tank that can do mechs and a warlock that has a brain" and left. our priest left, swapped specs, came back and we finished with just 4. im starting to think it wasnt a tank or warlock issue
415 cloak +haste and versa or 418 cloak mastery and crit ?
ilvl
even for cloaks ?
Hoping for some banger old dungeons cause the rest of the DF ones look like they will be slogs
Not keen
Question, im doin fine in keys but my only issue is i forget to hit Shield block all the time, is there something i could macro it into to make uptime better?
I have an uptime WA for block/Ignore pain
Macro it to ignore pain, so you use both, but SB 1st
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This is true
I can't get above like 80k dps on primal council and idk why

do I just gotta press revenge more?
probs
also need a good killtime+trinkets
I'm definitely not pressing revenge enough ye?
@stark garnet Can i get that WA?
Huh
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whats the lowest ilvl you gusy have smoothly tanked a 20. having a side discisson about valor farming and weather or not its worth it to try and grind valor to 415 lol
thats what i was thinking
if your group is good and geared, 390 is fine assuming you also know what youre doing
buddy of mine is hell bent on valor farming i think hes just nervous to hit those 20s and wants the sfety net
hes like close to 410 prot pally
i play warrior i know theyre starting to gap close on us though
we killed first boss of SBG +5 in only 38 seconds today
wdym starting
28 seconds sorry
they were always ahead for high end keys
were they really?
shiit i thought they just started to take us in the beyond 20s due to ilvl scaling
ilvl scaling is a myth
invented by bad players
every tank "scales" with ilvl
not 1 tank gets more value out of ilvl than other tanks
yeah this was comming of the logic thata full 421 ivl brew was supposedly the strongest too
some groups are equipped with shotgun for dps, and others have plasma cannon and bfg comparing dps to doom, its kind of a gamble if you got good dps or not in my opinion
idk where we heard that crap lol
raidbots saying take the boots but its gotta be chest here right, still havent found 421 shoulders yet to catalyst to tier
one group that clears the dungeon in 14 minutes next your 20 minutes over time
its just copium from people trying to weasle their way out of their previous statements of "yeah this tanks sucks" when its just because you never tried to learn or properly play the class
like over 90% of pwar meta chasers did so because they didnt even give other tanks a chance
oddly enough my boy says warrior has too much button bloat and he prefs to do pally but has leveled multiple things to ksm before moving onto the next cept the warrior
one tank in specific gets more value out of ilvl than all other tanks is the most retarded thing i have ever heard someone come up with a conspiracy in wow
then compared their max ilvl pwar vs a 400ilvl other tank which they play half heartedly
without being objective
we really that easy compared to the rest haha
thats the dumbest thingi ever heard outta here
pwar at a fundamental level
is insanely easy these days
90% of the talent tree is hardlocked, so can almost not go wrong
ive never really pl;ayed any other tank through any real content
warrior got the least amount of buttons tho
almost half of your dmg output and rage generation is passive
i swapped to a brew monk and had to add like an entire row of more keybinds
i feel like he ment our utility like we have a button for everything and maybe pally might have one spell that does two of ours? not sure im asking lol trying to make sense of what he means
depends on the driver, depends on the car, depends on the track, depends on weather conditions
brew has by far the most
but VDH is a 4 button spec
bear doesnt have that many buttons either
neither does bdk
is storm eaters boon worth taking?
not rly no
there's crap you just can't account for no matter how careful you are
i allways though pwarrior had one of the highest skill cielings
it used to
Yeah ive only played Brew, PWar, Ppal
now it doesnt anymore
shit here i thought i was a decent wow player hhaha
like, your biggest skill expression as pwar nowadays is just dmg meter
haha
cuz defensively we got alot of passive shit, even if you play poorly youll get decently by
cuz SB uptime is guaranteed
even if you play like a monkey
rage generation because of bloodsurge is secured a bit
dmg output because of thunderclap applying rend is secured a bit
yeah it feels alot easier than it has in years
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depends on your slots, but chest is safest bet ye
Got 415 Tier chest, 418 crafted boots
i think the monkey would do better
my money is on monkey
lets train 5 monkeys to play mdi
see if they can do it
think i might just waste a catalsy on 415 shoulders to get the 4 p and go with chest @strong forum
guess its time to really hone in on my dps then, not at the 20s yet but id like to be soon did an 18 last week
one can always improve
can always prayge for 424 tier shoulders right
that too
true that just happy to be on my warrior again. maind it for years i was that idiot who level questing prot back in wrath when i got the game but the last two xpacs i was a bm lol
not only can a person improve, but it's vital
started working ona resto druid. figure it wont make me a worse tank lol
time to min max prot pal then? join the holy brigade
im not gonna play another tank
especially not a fotm tank
fuck that
i like being the underdog
So I have a question maybe someone can explain it to me. Why is it usually recommended to take rallying cry over intervene? I find the number of times rallying cry is actually helpful very low and very few uses per dungeon, whereas intervene is right there and probably a more helpful "oh shit" button? This is all in the context of M+, I understand why it might be better in raid. Cheers!
yeah im too braindead for healing
intervene is not useful in 99.9% of keys
maybe play disc for pvp
why would you ever pick intervene
healing is hard i feel like im watchinga kindergarden class and i havent even goten itno hard shit yet
outside of fenryr
rallying cry is a defensive CD for your group
intervene does nothing outside of fenryr's fixate attack
holy cow! im 16 % versa
i use rallying often to help the healer if i see the groups all at 60 percent i pop it maybe a little early but yeah.
do you know how intervene works?
play arms
no

I figure when a team mate get stunned or hit by a mechanic and is just gonna be standing there getting rekt, intervene would have more impact than rally
arms zug zug
rekt by what?
intervene only affects auto attacks.
intervene only redirects physical attacks aimed at the intervened target
its useless outside of fenryr
thats rng as fuck
roll the dice 
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Oh, that's true, I guess I didn't think about it as only melee. I find on AA the little shits tend to spread everywhere and I struggle getting threat on all of them, so intervene would maybe help
yeah, sure, but youll remove something else to get intervene then
not rally
you always play rally
quick question - do i also use the highest ilvl trinket? or is trinket a bit different from all other gears? thanks.
intervene is useful in only 1 situation in 1 key, whereas rally is useful all the time
trinkets have special effects, you care about the effect, not the ilvl
the best part about intervene is being able to intervene to clear thundering when needed
rally is overpowered as fuck, but its counterpart make it better talent is mid at best case
thx*
rally has saved my keystone
rally is one of the strongest raid CDs in the game if used correctly
a billion million trillion times over
I dont raid so its only M+ I really worry about
How would you use Rally incorrectly?
also, it even applies to you, so you can use it as a personal defensive in some situations when needed
use it on CD would be incorrect
poping at 100 percent health on pull
shit timing or when no dmg is being done and everyone is full hp or dead
literally thats the worst case for rally casting
by overlapping it with other CDs, so you waste it because youd not be in danger even without rally
or ur like 500 yardss out
treat rally like aura mastery or something, a button to save the group, or some guy in the group
so many situations where it's good.
in rlp 1st boss, 2nd boss, thunder channelers, even the inferno packs can be useful.
in av on lashers (if casts go off), on 1st boss stomp, on 2nd boss intermission.
in no on storm boss, and on last boss intermission (or blue spear)
the list goes on and on
but its something you want to send over and over and over
rally is one good reason why pwar is better than vdh/bear/brew/bdk
cuz AMZ is only good against magic dmg and target capped
rally vs darkness is hilarious. darkness more likely to kill your team than help them
and the other 3 just outright dont have reliable group CDs
darkness is only good vs constant ticking dmg
not vs big hits
its better than nothing, but nothing compared to rally
I just mean because it obscures swirlies
thats a stretch
so then your team stands in it to defensives, don't see something on the ground, and die
Ah okay that all makes sense then. Maybe I'm just not aware of when it would make a difference, like which abilities it would work well with
no
disc bubble is way easier to see through than darkness
darkness you legit can't see some things
amz is also li mited in that its you have to stand under it
idk bright light dome vs thundering
and it only holds out for so long
is quite hard to see the thudnering
and so much dmg and then gives
no people depend on darkness
some were even born in it

molded by it
can confirm dps dh's call out on chat and voice they are dropping dark for tank
when healer depends on darkness for eye of the storm, and it fails to do anything for the tick that matters
oof.
they used to at least
on ultra keys youre happy about any proc it does
cuz 2 ticks kill you
so you gotta be topped for every single one
but rally in that case might let you survive 2 ticks cuz 20/25% extra hp can do alot there
but ye
ye.
Why would it be bad to use rallying cry at max HP? It puts your HP at the new max anyway yes?
The whole point of it is to let you survive things that would otherwise 1-shot you; it wouldn't make sense to use it at low health 🤔
Yah rally is a proactive CD not a reactive one
It's not bad to use at max hp, but it's bad to use it too early or too late
Like before the spears come on Odyn, not after lol
I think that was the statement
Fair, I just saw the bad to use at max health comment above and was like 🤔
hey guys i heard somewhere that the wowhead guides for talents was not right something about it showing taking barbaric training for M+ but we are not supposed to?


It comes down to personal preference, but it'll leave you ragestarved on lower target counts, will result in lower tierset uptime, and will make you defensively weaker for a negligible amount of dmg gain
Tldr, not worth it with current gear, maybe in a season or 2 it'll be better
gonna try to push 19s till reset
seems doable 18/19
couldnt kill 2nd boss on rlp15 because lacked dps literally lol
what do you put your point into then if i dont take barbaric training?
Bounding Stride
titanic throw!
i was thinking that just wanted some input on it haha
ill have to play around with it
Same ilvl; one ring is haste/crit the other one is haste/vers. Which one you go for?
the one with more haste
or just both
I will never play without bounding stride
got a 421 seal of diurna's chosen ringy. says daling fire dmg has chance to ignite ur enemies. we deal fire dmg at all?
I'll die on this hill, but atleast I ran faster
Only with frostfire belt
Or very rarely with a few trinkets
thx
Yeah I can't live without my bounding stride 
belt have good uptime, trinkets have CD so you wont profit often from ring
ok thx
iSn'T dEcO bIs ThOuGh?
have a 415 deco, and a 408 icon. i do go icon for raid
It's a trinket that doesn't excel at anything, it's not a good dps trinket, and not a good defensive trinket
It's very underwhelming in both department
It's better on dps players than on tanks
Unironically
It's a cheap knockoff of diablos firestomp from d3/hots
grieftorch looks better imo
So it just ruins the reputation of a good ability
is icon trink worth wearing in + if no one else in party has?
No
It's not a terrible trinket but there are a lot of better ones if you're the only one with it
still trade away every single piece of gear i get some reason i dunno why
trinket exists, it's really rare, it's also really good
LOL
Im using Whetstone and Idol atm, would Blazebinders hoof be a better choice instead of Idol for M+?
he's still got BT nvm i take that statement back
Really, I find I rarely use leap since charge
hiru found it was in pvp, 5 or 7, possibly 8? leapers you could chaein together
well, this vidoe was after i came back
and it was in shadowlands video he made cuz it was about legendaries or some shit
That was a fun time. Imagine if you will, carrying the flag in WSG and just leaping across the map
Peak fun
for Sophic Devotion vs Frozen Devotion wep enchant, how big is the difference? I only mythic+ and frozen devotion seems real tempting
You can sim it
oh god, asmon is tanking raid with barbaric training, they are on the intro dragon part rn
is there a certain prot build people are using to solo tank H Brood?
just general raid one works
man I tanked a 20 CoS on my 380 pally last night
Does anyone have a good macro that works for both charge and intervene? Prefer it to have mouseover and target functionality.
how'd the eles feel
not that bad
for your group anyway
its tyran
oh
idk i pug
EU?
yeah
Wasn't sure!
healer has to heal a lot when they get bolstered
i wish we could transmog our weapons to daggers, all a dagger is a tiny sword but bigger than a pocket or letter knife
I wish I could transmog my rogue's dagger to not a dagger
For Lariat, do we run Haste proc or Vers proc?
Wait what how is h brood done with 1 tank
I have to to tank mythic this week because our other tank got hit by a truck
Doesn't matter. I run haste>crit gems for more static haste. But whatever floats your boat.
Ok, I'm just running Haste/Crit fire gems currently since I was arms.
Yeah that's totally fine
does fire stance all totem fire dmg trigger rings
probably solo tank the boss instead of the 3 tank strat
assume so, effectively a 2minute cd 4 stances x 30 seconds
anything that does dmg under your name thats dmg type is fire
so it's like, maybe, i could line it up with avatars or whatvers my dmg 2 minutes
you dont line up all totem
if you wanna proc the ring wear the belt
i have belt, yes, but its 402 or 405, i had even given consideration to making fireball trinket (cards) as suppliment ontop of existing belt
418 part im working on gotta do 16's i dunno if that's happening this week
wearing the 405 isnt the end of the world
If it's fire damage, it procs the ring
asmon in mythic raid using barbaric training on 3rd boss now
I'm sure you can do the entire raid with barbaric training
I did this but won’t do it again 
hes just inviting 420 ppl though and pumping bosses
would be very very troll
depends on what your gear is, but being that we want tier hands prolly not
but the ring proc is not worth building a dogwater trinket
i can afford to drop 1 set pc, i have 5/5
If you're going to drop a tier piece, you drop chest and make/get a haste/crit chest
this is me here all my gear, the chest enchant is wrong, i'll fix it some point
all preference then. could craft neck as well. if yoou arent consistently doing 16+ to craft the 418s crafting becomes kinda of useless at this point
still can use a base item 405, dunno if i'd ever really commit to fury arms enough to devote 2 whole sparks to weapon-singular
You can upgrade items to 415 now with valor and have infinite amount
Maybe try get one off dungeons that drop it
my io it stops at 411, but meh
this is the "other gear" i have that i think i may possibly use for some reason in bags, most of it mid or useless, the 392 weapon is valor, so i might use that one
with plater, anyone know why certain mobs will always show red frame even when you have threat? for example ads in sennarth fight
Hoof
big toe seems to be simming better for me, but everyone is saying hoof
Big Toe for arms?
Hey guys im on my work laptop out of town rn, im looking for rthis weakaura i have on my pc at home, its a shotgun sound weak aura that tells me all the frontals in the dungeons. ANyone got it
Sounds like you're talking about this: https://wago.io/DungeonFrontals
Our tank said he would intervenere fenryr scent of blood
i will click that link, and that way it is saved to my browser history
but probably not use it
that way, if i ever decide to use it, fast to look it up
does spell block apply any magic resistance, or is it only useful for targetted spells?
It doesn't necessarily have to be a targeted spell, but it won't work on all spells. Check the spreadsheet in the pins for more detailed info.
ty, my bad, shoulda checked pins first
e.g it'll work on Chillstorm on 1st boss of RLP
ye, but I was wondering if it was useful in HoV at all, liek for Hyrja's blasts
Yes, Hyrja's blast is blockable with spell block
Was there a question about this?
Technically that is a targeted spell. It just happens to also be a cleave.
hows horn of valor for us? Im deciding between 421 chest (currently 415) or 421 Horn of valor, thanks!
Why would you block sanctify when you can just like...not get hit by it.
What are your existing trinkets? I'd put Horn like, middle of the pack
horn is a solid B tier trinket, A tier in certian scenarios maybe
Problem with horn is that it doesn't sync up with like...anything we have
So you're either holding it or you're sending it during non-damage increase times
Ran two 17 HoVs earlier, one dps died during first sanctify. I don’t get it- just dodge the balls man
im using a 415 puzzle box (which always simms so well) and a 408 all totem atm
Especially since it's literally a fixed pattern
I never see it
Which one
or put as prot in that or i forget to switch it or somethin
🤔
the versa nerd one
Noice
i forget what the other one is
Burgeoning Seed is garbage
Yeah that trinket is ass
really? it looks so good
Congrats qtpie
Ahh just got that today- but it’s not listed as BIS anywhere
yeah, i don't give a shit that its a bad trinket, i just want to have it
You're cool in my ❤️
low cd and it give a bunch of versa, its a tank trinket, it's for the pugs mental state
pugging is weird
if i saw my tank using that
id be like fucks sake
my tanks a noob
im the tank tho
a.) you have to have a stack to get vers from it.
b.) it gives max HP which is basically useless
c.) the vers amount is very small unless you wait for it to stack up (which takes ~2.5 minutes)
max hp and versa
both are w/e
The vers also barely scales with ilevel
It goes from 419 at 372 to like 510 at 405
just crafted haste/vers gear cuz im a pussy
What phial do ya'll use?
What is angrier
female german or male german countdown in bigwigs
changing diurna m p2 stoneclaws countdown to german
How much of your damag is that usually?
ohhh im going to gues its, 420 (i think it says 419 in this examp,e but 420 (no mulitplier) and then 2X,000 max hp x stacks
pls
but puzzle box is good for prot no?
so like, you only get 400 versa is what im saying and not 1200 at x 3 stacks
Puzzle Box is kinda meh
Hm, I'll see what the sims say
No you do get 1200 at 3 stacks
But you're not going to have 3 stacks when you use it unless you leave it off CD for quite a while
I was using glacial fury but it kept being like 3% ish of my damage so I figured might as well just go tepid vers
eye in the storm is stronger defensively on trash
i got it on my bdk, but hes just 343 ilvl, it seems like i can use it alot once in combat and attacking
but it sims so well?
haven't paid alot of attention
It sims well because you're doing short sims and it's using it lined up with all your CDs
750 strength is >3% vers
it doesnt sim well in game cuz u cant use it mid pull
and waiting 2s b4 a pull as tank is cringe
It won't naturally line up with all your CDs every time, and you can't use it midpull which means you're going to have it off CD quite a bit
but good for dps I guess
Sounds like it'd be decent in raid
Let's assume you have a 405 version, so 510 vers per charge. At 5 charges (which will take approximately 2 1/2 minutes to get), you will get 2550 vers for 12 seconds (ignore the max HP because that's literally shit), which is about 12.5%/6.25% vers. Assuming you're using it at the 2.5 minute mark on CD, that's a whole 8% uptime
And with an effective 2 1/2 min CD, it's basically not lining up with anything
i won't be mad if i don't get it, but i like it, i think
Is a prot warr or a VDH better to tank M Brood. We don't have a BDK that I am aware of. I know it got nerfed but not sure if the sturdiness of pwar or the healing of vdh is better to tank boss.
prot warr
its fine in raid yeah
prot warr tanks boss, vdh tanks adds
prot
I figured that was the case.
The more painful part is the initial hit from stoneclaws even in p2
So you just stack IP before the big hit and blow the CD before the initial hit
the soak if you split it isn't that bad
Yeah I thought they would probably be too squish
oooo I didnt even think of that
as boss u can rotate wall and spell block
in p1
i did adds but thats what he said he did
That and just hold Demo in p2
don't send it on CD, save it for each stoneclaw/stoneslam
You lose out ona small amount of damage but its a free 20%
and you aren't holding it that long
Oh no actually holding defensives for damage?
I just have to learn the route. Won't be too bad.
I always tanked adds on H so I will just look at the diagram.
Whim is my 🥚
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hello friends what is the most defensive talents i can use to maybe survive diurna (best pull is like seeing p2 few times with previous tank) add tanking, i legit rerolled to protwarr like 10 days ago, and ngl it feels like str8 into deep water, obv i am not that used to warr/nor tanknig raid, sometimes i filled as veng, and got m+ title as tank, but never maintanked raid yet but it feels like hell compared to 23-24 keys
was using this but im still struggling
also when do i play heavy repercussions over into the fray
https://i.imgur.com/quPbfwH.png
can take spellblock for p2 if your not gonna have wall for all
depends if ur getting ur defensives reset
i dont like the last stand one personally but
its not awfull
id much rather have ravager for helping kill adds
oh was using ravager, idk where that point went and what was i not using instead
ah, yea the last stand 1 i was not using
Thanks didn't see bsv was bugged
https://i.imgur.com/W7Km25O.jpeg how good is last trinket? legit have no clue, never used it 😐 swapping between 408 kurog/408 whisper/415 whetstone (only viable ones i have xd)
Scale bad. Low proc
If you dont have a high ilvl shield yet take that
i have so its prolly socket angle
Ring is solid with frostfire belt.
i have it as 421+socket so ye
Then yeah, I would say grab a socket.
Quick question, Got a 421 Dragon Games Eq Trinket, i see so much different information about it, alot of people say its bugged / has been fixed, but that its amazing when it actually works. Is it useless for us? Currently on a 415 Whetstone & Decoration
What do we sim for m+? Dungeon slice?
Dragon games has issues last I knew. Probably better off using the trinkets your already using. Though dragon games will do more than decoration when you get it to work solid.
Anyone here have one of those curved ultra wide monitors?
i should take cape i guess and turn to raid one right
im 421 4/4 set
either i take x6 or 421 back i think
Whats my best vault choice ?
Is Rumbling Ruby any good? the 402 sims higher in 5 target than my 415 whetstone and blazebinders hoof
It oversims since it's assuming you'll get the max benefit every time
It's not bad, but it's not great
Your trinkets are better
Yep
So I was assuming, thanks
Just got 2 shield in vault
- 421 haste/vers
- 424 broodmaster shield with mastery/haste and avoidance.
Is the 3 ilvl worth more then the lost stats? What do you guys think?
There's no lost stats. Take the 424
Would lose out on the vers tho and get Mastery instead, also losing some haste
🤷 ilevel is all that matters on shield
Cause of block value and armor?
Block value, yes
Like this should be the biggest no-brainer vault you've ever had. It's not even a close choice.
and it has avoidance lol, which is just insane
Ok, just thought that it would be better to go for the good secondary stats instead since its only 3 ilvl
I have a 49 inch
Honestly not great for wow
Hey, which addon manager do you guys usually use?
I use overwolf/curseforge
oh
I didn't like the WA companion personally but it's alright
yeah it's not perfect. and not all WA seems to be updateable with ith
but better than nothing
can some experienced warrior advise me on what item should I choose from the vault?
post screenshot
well on some items I'd have pretty big upgrade, it's my first vault and I heard WII is broken so I'm conflicted a bit
oh snap i got 21SBG key 🙂
on helmet I would go 372 -> 411 or boots 392 -> 415 for example, while trinkets are 372 & 395
do you have set?
2set, rdf shoulders & 405 legs
I would go for boots, but all gear you got can be farm in M+, and upgaded to 415 🙂
if you have chest/legs to calatyse maybe pick also helm and make it tier
Nah, my chest is shit. This is my exact build https://raider.io/characters/eu/tarren-mill/Myrtlol
y i've been farming chest/head for the past 3 days xD
Okay thanks, my primary choice was head but I was conflicted because of WII, as all I heard is it's incredible and broken.
catalysed 421 back or 415 but with leech, both have same stats
Dont overstate vers
How do we feel about Darkmoon Deck Box Dance? Bloodmallet almost has it at the top, and I’ve only got heroic rumbling ruby/decoration of flame
Unless you absolutely have nothing else you can possibly upgrade with a spark, I would not go for dance. You still have M+ trinkets you can get to replace what you have.
About the only other thing I’d craft with a spark is a cloak. Rocking the 402 cinder cloak.
Almost every other piece is mythic and catalyzed as appropriate, or high heroic.
Your call. I have no idea what sigil you would use on it though since the sigils aren't simmable
Probably emberscale?
Jet scale according to bloodmallet. But Iunno.
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/proudmoore/apeirogar is my gear. I might just hold onto it as well and just go for m+ stuff to replace anything not upgradeable
Ah, that’s good to know.
Well, jetscale I guess is technically simmable but it oversims. And it's completely wrong for key sims because you leave combat regularly or something
Might just hold onto it and go for m+ stuff then and valor farm. Just like being able to get out of being drop dependent.
how god or bad is hunger of the pack for us?
I don’t think it’s that great, I had it as an option today. Simmed it ten ways to Sunday and it confirmed my gut, but. I’ll feel dumb if someone else says it’s great.
Are there useful embellishments for cloak or gloves? I have one open as I removed my shield spikes from shield today (due 421 shield)
That’s actually what led me to thinking about crafting a trinket, because unless I get lucky in vault, the odds of getting a grief torch/icon as a drop aren’t great, with how everyone else wants them too.
You already have a flavor pocket on something?
yea but according to here the crafted ones arent great
weapon and shield are 421 so not crafted, bracers are CR, belt is 421
Rad. Then iunno, I’d probably stick with spikes.
got the food embellish on my crafted ring. really dont wanna switch it. chest would be only for transmog.
the food ebellish is better then other ones?
It doesn’t count as an embellishment, but it’s pretty much the greatest thing ever.
So if you have a crafted piece to put it on, I totally would.
ohh so you can have 3 basicly?
Ya
yes 2 combat-embellishment, food one and tinker slot
if i take the ring i need to craft bracers with the food embellish. or i take a gem slot and put it on my stuff
CR on bracers :p
I quit using my engi bracers, kept getting poly’d in combat while tanking and trying to rez a healer. Not a fun time.
then maybe socket?
also hunger sims for me 300dps boost in ST and about 2k in aoe
vs a flame HC trinket
yeah socket it is and i put it on my diurna seal
so answer this: spikes can go on both of them. so I think ill go for +3 ilvl on gloves with spikes loosing avoidance on them (but on cloak I have leech)
When I reflect circle on last boss academy back to boss, does he gets some buff/debuff from it? Also is it ok to stand in the circle if its on dragon?
It does not do anything to the boss, but it should be safe to stand in it.
Good good i managed to do almost all cast on me 😄
Firstly i do pre SR but then noticed that he actually face the player he cast it on
You take damage from the reflected bomb.
i.e. no one should stand in the huge circle on the boss
So it might not help if melee dont pay attention
SBG just totally destroyed these folks
Looking forward to mine 21 😄
But it should fill up quickly with 2.8k ppl 😄
Like when you throw grain to chickens
Does kurog trinket heal as well as do dmg?
Does anyone know how they put down automatic world markers in azure vault at leymore?
What on earth is Shadow Word: Fraility?
The enemy's bones become brittle, inflicting 13225 damage every 1 sec, and reduces maximum health by 50% for 15 sec. In the NPC Abilities category.
Looking over logs we've taken 0 damage from it
.Doesn't even show up.
Sounds like a l2p issue.

I'm not as good as you are, so maybe
How do you know that?
Maybe you're better than i am.

But i'm fairly sure it's dispellable.
One of the procs put a hot on you, the frost one i believe
Keybinds/WA for markers.
Or opie
You are correct.
FIre: DoT on the enemy
Ice: HoT on you
Wind: Haste buff
Earth: Armor buff
They also all deal initial damage when they proc.
I wasn't even aware of a one-shot in ~1s mechanic in SBG
Oh my sweet summer child.
Wait till you get to the first boss on tyrannical at about 24+
what if someone doesn't have suicidal tendencies?
do we have anything that gives fire damage for the broodkeeper trinket to proc?
when you think "ill just do 4 +20s so i get 2 pieces, and some fast valor farm so i at least get the socket" and you get the item you need in the 3rd slot 🤦
Embellishments.
Ty
feels tight to time AV just using normal pug route with flowers at start. should i start using a route with stone dudes instead?
That or lots of double pulls, timer there is tight either way and run back if you wipe on second boss normally rips keys
@ionic fern Any thoughts on why Kurog ignores my taunt at 40s? Ended with a wipe, DK didn’t taunt back and boss straight up ignored me, despite being 7k DPS above DK as well. Their thought was taunt dr because they did a few taunts early on, otherwise a bug maybe. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KWr9ZfBxvXPRqhG1#pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%24196208433.0.0.DeathKnight%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2456222^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%24186124767.0.0.Warrior%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24355&fight=18&type=threat&start=2682531&end=2769281
Oh yeah if taunt dr is 20s after taunt expiring then it would’ve been that, I was close to ripping at start so DK taunted extra, didn’t help I thought I was taking boss first.
so i just hit 2500io and got the item that unlocks the effects on shoulders. i used it, but dont see additional appearances or effects?
Solid advice Ty!
yeah you can see it here
No taunt debuff applied at 40
If I'm crafting a main hand does it really matter which one I make?
It does not.
Just seeing everyone with the sword so I wanted to double check
Sword is the one that's most readily available most likely since I think a lot of people have gone into the sword specialty. That's the only reason it's the most common one.
Another week another trashy chest 😦
Got waist with crist+haste and avoidance though unlucky i got embalishment there
I got Whispering Incarnate Icon. Is that worth it if nobody around me has it? Or pass? Its only 408 too.
What're your other trinkets? It's not spectacular, nice to have since you might end up in a raid where you're boosting everyone else's
Whetstone 415 and either Granyths Enduring Scale 415 or Decoration Flame 402 (Dont like to use Flame because its 13ilvls lower)
I would say icon is deffo better than scale
But its worse than Decoration Flame 😄
so use deco
Can we go mythic raid cross realm now?
yes
Maybe I can get Decoration 415
I was trying to kill first 2 last night
friend got booted after eranog
what a nice raid lead
friend did nothing wrong btw except a single mistake on a primal council attempt
while the raid lead consistently fucked up tanking
I mean obviously the raid lead can do nothing wrong ever.
Since he has all the power and acts like a baby
Also he was yelling at me on eranog for taunting before my stacks reset
It was my damage stealing aggro 😢
what exactly am I supposed to do if he can't maintain aggro
I should have left tbh and made my own group
I'm actually a sick raid lead
how good is eranog ring 421 for prot? :>
what would u pick? i have 415 set hands. so could combo it with the new chest (has leech).
Good, it’s just passive dmg
Weapon prob unless I’m missing something
Pretty good.
id need to craft the frostfire belt to make it work right?
It's like the only way we can consistently proc fire
can someone share with me a decent route for HoV ?
its sims only a little higher than strike twice. stats are shit too :/
6 ilvl less (415-> 421). yeah its probably my best choice overall
It's a pretty linear dungeon
It's going to sim better in aoe too than in ST because strike twice's proc is single target.
Time to get garbage in my vault
I have a 418 and 415 m+ slot, already have good heroic trinkets and 415 trinkets and 418 wep/shield
should I open as prot or arms or fury 🤔
basically I can just hope that I get a piece of armour at 418 I guess?
I'd loot as prot until you get the shield
my shield is 418 crafted
So
Arms since you cant grt shield upgrade
Some may say that Arms owns
Socket is a + all the time
Ain't putting a socket on my 408 one
Im stucked with 4tokens
someone of u who got 7 sparks total on 1 charr?
I've had 6 overall
so 1 extra
Wait, can I put a socket on frostfire belt?
I should do that yeah?
I Had 3 extra so far 
You got mine then
You can/should yeah
noice
Crafty Ysemerald has doubled in price on my realm
Everyone has realised haste vers is a meme

Ez
AA on fort is okay
I literally never know how much to pull on fort
People just plank and I'm like well gee maybe I pulled too much
sick of people hitting the mobs while I'm gathering them there
is decoration of flame even worth using?
Is it all you have? then yes
"Wait until i gather them up".
Just write to them.
I enjoy it.
Using it together with Whetstone in majority of my keys.
i got icon and whetstone
Sometimes works, sometimes doesn't
just run straight down the middle and pull the back one first then the sides then just challenging shout innit
if they pull aggro after that its their fault
Im usually telling the plan before the key start
I wonder actually, How often did bolstering last week result in scarier mobs than we'd get this week with fort + raging?
Assuming same pulls
thats what i was thinking, sometimes having to survive decently bolstered fury's in AV
surely raging is just as much damage or atleast close
so our routes wont change much
Imagine them using sooth
thats my hope 🥲
should be chill enough then
Fort on top
lol picked Socket, and went Dirt farming for Bottled Essence so i can craft chest 😄
Especially if people do remove enrage the mobs
got it on 7th Dirt 🤣
Oh raging is dispellable with shiv n stuff like that?
Yup
I'm always looking for rogues.
Was about to say 🥲
Hard class to play
Thought it's a popular class.
People like the vibe but they're bad at it
so they switch to arms warrior
I am totally not speaking from experience
who else can purge raging? hunter, druid? who else
They went to feral/UH cus MDI
Ah yes Feb the 51st
It ends with reset XD
That's my birthday
Figured. I was too late to lvl my rogue then. 😦
DH, shaman
Evoker.
DH can not purge raging 🤔
DH is magic.
Hunter, druid
Isn't shaman also magic?
and evoker
Ah
and rogue, but theirs is on a longer CD
It does, but it gets reduced per target hit



