protection

[pallid quiver]

I mostly worded it the way I did for raid; you often run ITF there and iirc there's sometimes gaps in in SB Uptime?

i dunno i just run hr anyway in raid because i just pug and don't do it seriously

[warm plinth]

Yeah there will be gaps in uptime if you're running ItF

Even the oft-repeated number of 35% haste unbuffed doesn't get you to 100% uptime without bolster.

[craggy pilot]

yea and then either 28 and 34 seconds with bolster right?

[warm plinth]

No

[craggy pilot]

still 18 and 24 with bolster?

[warm plinth]

Bolster will just add 15 seconds to the current duration, no matter what it is.

It has no effect on the cap, but it does ignore the cap.

[craggy pilot]

and it doesnt change the Cap amount?

im 90% sure it changed the cap in SL

if you had bolster

[warm plinth]

It did not

As I said, the only talent that affects the cap is Enduring Defenses. Nothing else has ever affected it that I can think of off the top of my head.

[craggy pilot]

kinda wanna make a WA with dynamic max duration based on the SB cap, but not sure if thats even possible 😄

i want this to change based on ED talent or not

but i guess i could just make 2 WAs on top of each other, and only load the one based on talent

[warm plinth]

Uh, can you do triggers based on known talents? Could just have e.g. trigger 1 activate with the talent or trigger 2 without

Though not sure why you wouldn't run Enduring Defenses

[craggy pilot]

yea just making it future proof 😄

https://wago.io/vZHovdqa0

[frank dust]

Is warrior bad for brood out of all the tanks

[prisma crane]

i hear we're good cuz the heal reduction doesn't affect IP

i cannot personally confirm but yea

[mighty valley]

it was used for world 1st so can't be that bad

[lone eagle]

Pwar is good for Brood

[rough egret]

Dang 21SBG 😄 now i got 22HoV 😦

[lone eagle]

Especially post Stoneslam Detonation nerf, the best tanks to boss tank are probably BDK/Ppal, then Brew/Pwar

on mythic Brood that is

you could run a tin can for Heroic

Guardian and VDH not super advisable but they can do it

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8dFwr9hQg4ZNtfVP/#fight=last

i ran this key tonight, i didnt check it, i will now, figured i'd share, yeah, just as i figured, wasn't a good key, low blocked melee's

[wanton lance]

i fucking did it boys

no key above 20 anymore this season

[slim dove]

at 2800 i already want to just stop till s2

my healer quit and every key ive ran since has been awful

[cinder nova]

Does Diurna ring not work in sims or is it as minor a damage bump as it seems?

[foggy ruin]

if ur talking about the proc, the diurna ring procs a shield

[cinder nova]

The... damage one.

[foggy ruin]

erenog ring then

[cinder nova]

Why would I be talking about Filial

It's literally called Diruna's Seal

Obvious pedantry aside, I'm only see it as a .5% damage up from a 389 Cobalt and 405 melandrus

As H and .8% as M

[warm plinth]

Well played sir

[cinder nova]

This is with UFFB btw

[tropic tangle]

heroic usually works out to around 1-1.5% of my damage

and like, it's not changing how you play, it's just free passive damage

[timber wasp]

Hey guys is it worth making frostfire belt?

I cant seem to find anyone with recipe

Im worried itll get stuck at 392

[warm plinth]

You only need the belt if you have the rings from raid

[last nova]

waking stats vs sustained strength?

i am 415 507k hp unbuffed

[timber wasp]

I'm crafting stuff already though, I might as well craft the belt ready for getting the rings no..?

I got 2 sparks left to use, freshly dinged 70

[last nova]

here's the thing

you might never get the rings

[timber wasp]

And if I get the rings, I might never get another spark

[last nova]

that's not true

[timber wasp]

How do you figure?

[last nova]

because you can get one every 2 weeks

[timber wasp]

No, you can't

[last nova]

yeah you can

[timber wasp]

After your fifth spark you no longer get them every 2 weeks

[last nova]

one spark cost 12 tokens from vault

you get 6 per week if you choose not to take items

[timber wasp]

Yes, you can sacrifice 2 crucial vault options for a spark, yes

Amazing

[cloud umbra]

i mean, 2 vaults in a row now with no upgrades for me

[timber wasp]

I think I'd rather have 2x 421 items than a spark

[cloud umbra]

i can see that being an option

[timber wasp]

I am a fresh 70. There is legit 0 chance I get 2 vaults in a row with no upgrades

[warm plinth]

Sure, it can happen but it shouldn't necessarily be something you plan on.

I wouldn't plan on getting 2 shit vaults so I can have a spark lol

[timber wasp]

Yeah thats pretty insanely unlikely

[warm plinth]

If it happens, fine. But why would you plan for it

[cloud umbra]

i dont think anyone would plan on it

[timber wasp]

So my question was: If I'm crafting belt, am I likely to be stuck at 392 and not able to upgrade?

[last nova]

it's not optimal but there you go it's available if you want it

[timber wasp]

Providing missing two vaults as a legitimate way to get sparks is just insane

[last nova]

well it depends if you can do 11 or 16 keys

[warm plinth]

You can generally get the same dude to recraft it for you when the time comes

[timber wasp]

So far, everyone in trade chat can only make 389 max

[warm plinth]

Are you on a dead realm or something?

[timber wasp]

No, one of the highest pops

[last nova]

lol

[warm plinth]

That's...odd

[cloud umbra]

thats very odd

[last nova]

that's very very odd

[cloud umbra]

im on a high pop realm and if i post it will get like 15 people messaging me

[warm plinth]

Personally idc about getting R5 anyway until I'm going for the 418 one

R4 is only 3 ilevels lower anyway

[cloud umbra]

ya whats a 3 level ilvl between 389/392

[timber wasp]

Yeah but my question wasnt about getting 392 it was about there being people who can make higher ones

Like the ring with the 20 hour cd, its impossible to find people with the crafting level for 405 and 418s

[warm plinth]

There are people who can make the higher one I am sure of that. Just post in trade asking and they'll show themselves eventually

[last nova]

is the inferno breastplate from CoS good? i'm abit to make it 415

[timber wasp]

Alright ty

[last nova]

bout

[warm plinth]

yeah, c/h is always nice

[last nova]

i'm using tier chest right now

but gonna swap it for more crit haste

[warm plinth]

Yeah given the choice, the chest is the tier piece I'd give up for sure

[last nova]

thanks mate, that's the answer i was looking for

[daring marlin]

Eh. I dropped tier hands for the 421 c/h from my vault.

📈 crit haste ganggang

[warm plinth]

Yeah, chest is a bigger stat budget slot though. If I'm gonna have a no haste piece, I'd rather it be the smaller budget piece.

But you take what you can get so I get it

Not like you can't convert those to tier down the road if you're feeling it

[daring marlin]

manifesting 421 with avoidance chest

🧠

[warm plinth]

[cloud umbra]

+++

[naive panther]

One of my first boxes was 421 crit haste chest

[paper herald]

I want another 424 helm in my box. Had to give it up for a H icon.

[sick sentinel]

my vault is weak

[daring marlin]

You played yourself

[paper herald]

After weeks of farming and knowing I wont get a M Icon from reclears. I just bit the bullet.

[clear plaza]

Can Seal of Diurnas Chosen proc from Frostfire belt?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[last mason]

are there any addons or WAs that will guide u to chests and shit around the map

[warm plinth]

Handy Notes should do that. Idk about guide you but it will put them on the map so you can go to them.

[last mason]

does it only put them if theyre up tho

[warm plinth]

No, because a lot of those are just random spawns. Like they can spawn in that area but they don't always spawn in that area.

[frank dust]

whats better, Bonemaw's big toe or the equipment trinket from academy

[mortal brook]

can sim between em. dragon games equipment wont work sometimes tho

on like, terros, sennarth and such

things with jank hit boxes

[timber wasp]

Hey guys would you take Horn of Valor over Darkmoon Deck?

379 vs 372

[rustic trench]

Is Strike Twice worth using over a crafted sword? Stats are meh af and doesn't proc that much it seems

[mortal brook]

a valor 415 is about equal with a 418 crafted yep

proc is small but doesnt eat any budget so makes it roughly equivalent ^ and slightly better at equal ilvl if you get a vault 421 or something

and secondary stat budget in general on weapon isnt that large so the crit/vers isnt much worry

[lusty grotto]

steve you there

[warm plinth]

Who the fuck is this guy

[lusty grotto]

how dare you ghash

bro we just saw the weirdest shit on a 23 SBG

on sadana, add spawns, killed, 10s until aoe, she immediately aoes

didnt eat add

we're trying to figure out what happened

[warm plinth]

👀

[lusty grotto]

wondering if hp based but that wouldn't make sense

[mortal brook]

hi

[lusty grotto]

8.2 seconds left before that aoe

add dies she immediately casts whispers

what the fuck lmao

[warm plinth]

I feel like she always does that in my runs though

[lusty grotto]

she usually goes add -> eclipse -> whispers

anyway my healer is confused as fuck

[sick sentinel]

its weak but whatever

[robust lark]

spiteful storm, yes or no? I'm running all-totem and whetstone

[slim dove]

spiteful is meh

[lusty grotto]

oh we figured it out

so if add is killed either too fast or too slow... it moves up the spell queue

apparently the DH we had fel rush DC'd and the add died too slow that time

so boss spell queue went out of whack

[rustic trench]

so if i have a 415 strike twice and a 418 crafted weapon i should use strike twice?

[hybrid gust]

im a troll, would it be worth to swap to dwarf? what are important things i can use with the dwarf racial?

[frank dust]

anyone got an eranog build

for mtyhic

[empty spindle]

as tanks for more dmg tepid of vers or glacial fury?

[round pendant]

Neither

Glacial Fury isn't bad in m+

but I use Eye in the Storm for m+ and Elemental Chaos in raid

not sure if that's optimal tho

Eye in the Storm is sick tho, basically a permanent 750 strength

[last mason]

is there a way to get a different shard for primalist future

if the rares are already down

[round pendant]

Gonna start trying to use defensive stance on bleeds and such

Do I only need to do it for the initial hit of the bleed?

[warm plinth]

No, all damage is dynamic unless you're a feral druid.

[slow harbor]

Random q if anyone is using an MMO mouse - I try to keybind mouse buttons like G18 but it maps a keyboard button like '0' instead, anyone seen that?

[warm plinth]

Yes, WoW doesn't support that many mouse buttons. I'm assuming you have a Logitech mouse, in which case you need to get the G Hub software and bind the buttons to whatever shit you don't use on the keyboard.

Like mine are bound to like []\l;'7F9F10 or something

[slow harbor]

Sounds like you use one? That seems to me like it defeats the purpose of an MMO mouse lol, I have to lose 12 KB buttons to gain 12 mouse buttons or am I thinking about that wrong

[warm plinth]

I mean, you're losing 12 keyboard buttons you don't use for 12 mouse buttons you will use

Like no one is using comma as part of their rotation

[slow harbor]

yeah tru i can tap into the right side of the keyboard huh

[warm plinth]

Yep

Or hell if you don't use function keys at all normally

Just bind it to F1-F12

[round pendant]

That sucks, I'm just gonna keep not using def stance then lmao

if I die I'll blame the healer

[ember tangle]

pretty much just use D-stance as a defensive

[round pendant]

Literally nothing hurts me other than these bleeds

[ember tangle]

that is the way

[pallid quiver]

yeah pretty much

[round pendant]

And the bleeds initial hits don't really hurt that much unless I've run out of cooldowns

so I guess I can save it til then

[ember tangle]

bleeds are our achilles heel

[pallid quiver]

Bleeds are something our kit just can't really deal with

We can't just heal it back and you can't mitigate bleeds

[round pendant]

Yeah, I've noticed it hence the dstance question

[pallid quiver]

since they're magical physical damage (non-blockable physical damage, is what I calls it)

[round pendant]

but I don't wanna sit in dstance for 10 seconds

so I'll just yell HEALERS ADJUST

[pallid quiver]

just bring an evoker healer and an evoker DPS

ezpz

[ember tangle]

well i tend to use other defensives before going into dstance

[round pendant]

Those players are all ass

[ember tangle]

i sincerely contemplated switching to dwarf

[pallid quiver]

Just get multiple computers and play multiple characters

[ember tangle]

but i don't know how many alliance spots we have in our guild

i heard something about 4 being max in a mythic raid

but i don't know what happens if you bring more

[round pendant]

Dwarf racial is nice but you get to use it once

[ember tangle]

one more time to not go into dstance

[round pendant]

I guess it's nice to delete the mechanic once

but it's just one more attack you can take before you have to rely on the healer being good

[ember tangle]

yes

more time to get shield wall back

[round pendant]

I gotta say tho, my friend plays holy priest

and I feel he can never top me off quick enough

and I say "where are the heals bro" (not in a toxic way) and he's like I'M TRYING

but then I play with puggers and they top me off instantly

not holy priest puggers tho so maybe it's a limitation with them

[ember tangle]

i did a 20 azure vault and after my friend (hpala) noticed after that his equipment manager fucked up and he healed with str wep and trinks

no wonder it felt rough

maybe he is playing the wrong spec

i believe there is a lot of power moved away from ST healing to aoe healing in the holy tree

for raiding

[round pendant]

Yeah he won't play anything else tho

Which is fine

Holy priest just sucks ass for some things

AA in particular

[surreal owl]

i am only at 8% vers but raidbots telling me to go full haste?

[warm plinth]

So go haste

[round pendant]

vers stinks

[graceful granite]

How are people so consistent with the hyrja jump

I swear I've got like a 5% success rate

Even with the WA tellin you when to jump

[rustic trench]

go into an M0 and practice it

till you get it every time

i like to just taunt and heroic throw @ hyrja and then shield charge and then have leap ready for the exact moment i need to

[robust lark]

So I tend to screw up getting threat on the AA mobs on the 2nd/4th pop of germinate on tree boss...it feels like if I pop whatever AOE I want to use a half second too early it doesn't generate threat, but if I pop it a half second too late someone else dies immediately.

Usually it's fine on the 2nd pop but I think I'm popping my whole load then and don't have anything but TS/revenge for the 2nd pop and that is never enough to get threat from whoever blew their load right before me, so are there any protips on the window for generating threat before they schwack someone or am I just doing it all wrong? Curious if anyone else has had this issue and corrected it.

[turbid shuttle]

potion of shocking disclosure

or just make sure you have either roar or aoe taunt for each one

[robust lark]

Hadn't even considered a potion!

[turbid shuttle]

they're cheap and great dps. pop em all the time.

[hidden ether]

What’s the hydra jump and I missing something important?

[slow harbor]

for hov 21+s, prolly

[hidden ether]

I really like a pre pop of ravager in a good spot for one with avatar and another with roar

[turbid shuttle]

you can cause her to channel her abilities on the opposite side of the room, effectively unempowering them from the associated beam

[hidden ether]

Ahh was hoping you could avoid the beam of doooom

[robust lark]

that's a good call. I definitely do that in other situations so yeah.

[coarse meadow]

how different is prot in dragonlands than shadowlands? im looking to level my warr

[strong forum]

Alot easier

You don't struggle for SB uptime, you get stronger offensive CDs, and a bit more passive rage income

Besides that, pretty much the same

Plays 1-1 the same as in SL, but is just passively stronger and easier

[tame jasper]

Totally agree you Nome, except this: No charge/intervene-bounce to get SB uptime as in SL 😄

If you leave this out, yes pretty much the same, but more smooth (and fun to me)

[strong forum]

I've slowly gotten a bit bored of it

[tame jasper]

(more fun, because I struggled to get my SB uptime with charge/intervene in SL to high numbers :/ )

[strong forum]

The only feedback you get these days is dmg meter

Or well, reward

Gotten a bit stale

[tame jasper]

Feedback by who?

the game itself or players?

[strong forum]

By the game

Back in SL you were rewarded with banner uptime

[tame jasper]

I see your point

[strong forum]

Banner didn't care for your feelings, if you played well, you had banner up and wouldn't drop it

[tame jasper]

I also enjoyed when I managed to get a higher one, but also felt bad as I rarely got the on from good players

[toxic pewter]

Yah banner was such a feel good/feel bad dynamic

I miss it too tbh

[strong forum]

Sadly banner like gameplay won't return again as blizzard doesn't like when something isn't rewarding to the average Joe

Except preservation evoker or disc priest

Did my first keys yesterday on my 360 prevoker, boi. After not playing healer for 11 years

Healing a +16 hyrja tyrannical is alot of effort

[toxic pewter]

What do you mean by 360

[strong forum]

ilvl

[toxic pewter]

Ohh gotcha

[strong forum]

Fucking eye of the storm 3shot me

Wasn't ready for that

[toxic pewter]

I have had some fun with resto sham

[strong forum]

Rsham is very simple

[toxic pewter]

Is preservation evoker like a reactive or proactive healer

[strong forum]

Entirely proactive

[toxic pewter]

I see

[strong forum]

You can't do shit with just spamming a heal button like shaman

You need to set up your heals beforehand

Like disc

It's a combo healer

Not a press chain heal/healing surge healer

[toxic pewter]

It seems stasis can have high skill cap alone

[strong forum]

Yeah

I've not bothered with that yet

I need muscle memory first

[toxic pewter]

Pretty cool spec

[strong forum]

Super rewarding and Super hard

Love it

Except raid

Raid prevoker is just "spread hots and spam dreambreath"

[rustic trench]

hey guys is 55k dps good for a prot war in a 23 AA?

[strong forum]

No

[rustic trench]

forgot to take tough as nails b4

[strong forum]

You should be closer to 100k dps than to 60k

[rustic trench]

but i dont think that is the difference

[strong forum]

Nah, it's not

But you should be north of 80k dps in AA

[tame jasper]

that's what I mean. I'm also at around 55k in AA 😦

[rustic trench]

idk what more i can do for dmg i do battle stance for the big pulls and line up avatar demo shout and my other cds and whetstone

[tame jasper]

Me = bad player

[strong forum]

Don't like up avatar

Just send avatar 24/7

[rustic trench]

im assuming its the same with demo shout then?

[strong forum]

Same with whetstone

Same with demoshout yes

Send all CDs on CD

[rustic trench]

sick ill start doing that

[strong forum]

Don't hold shit

Holding CDs is what ruins dmg output

[rustic trench]

i do like to hold aoe cds if they come up at the end of a pull tho

[strong forum]

Well duh

[rustic trench]

cause pug dps like to go apeshit asap

[strong forum]

If the pull dies in 10 seconds

[rustic trench]

so i can get aggro

[strong forum]

Don't send CDs

Threat should never be an issue

Be it with or without CDs

That's just you playing poorly

[rustic trench]

sometimes i do be losing aggro should i be tab targeting shield slam?

[strong forum]

Never had the need to do that

[rustic trench]

yeah thought that was a classic thing

[strong forum]

Like, I've never once had a threat issue on more than 1 target for more than 1 gcd

So idk what to tell you there

[rustic trench]

its mostly grouping big pulls

like the 3 lasher pull in AA

[strong forum]

Grouping doesn't count lol

That's just dps being dumb

[rustic trench]

legit had 3 lashers following someone in the 23 cause i just couldnt target them through the mass of nameplates and survive

[strong forum]

If they don't respect the gathering of mobs, it's not your fault

[rustic trench]

just had to follow and try to aoe

[strong forum]

Well yeh

It do be like that

That's not a threat issue, that's just impatience you didn't even have the chance to attack the mob

[rustic trench]

yeah i try to throw ravager down where they'll all run but thats not much lol

[strong forum]

But that's a good moment to just send aoe taunt

It's only 1.5min CD

And decently large range

[rustic trench]

yeah ill try sending cds on cd i feel like my dps is holding me back pushing further so hopefully this helps 🙂

[strong forum]

Benchmark to beat is 116k dps in AA btw

That was done in a +26

So good luck hunting!

[round pendant]

Fucking how.

[strong forum]

AA overall increases with keylevel

The higher you go, the longer the lashers live on tree boss cuz less people pad on them

[round pendant]

Is that 116k on details or wcl

[strong forum]

And instead use them as funnel into boss

Wcl active and details

My highest in AA is 107k

But that was only a 16

[round pendant]

I did 65k in an 18 aa

[strong forum]

In 21 I only did 87k, couldn't slap enough on the lashers cuz dps padded

[round pendant]

Need to do higher keys but I'm burnt

[strong forum]

I only do weekly keys

Fuck pushing

Push keys aren't chill

[lean gale]

finally dropped my totem 421 in my mythic raid, lets go

[strong forum]

[round pendant]

I want 2500 :(

[strong forum]

Im jealous

[round pendant]

But pugs are depressing

[strong forum]

You'll get 2500 passively

[round pendant]

2 bricked keys in a row and I'm sad

[strong forum]

Like. Just by doing weekly keys you'll eventually end up at 2800

Just by trying to fill vault with higher slots

[final gust]

how do you not have people die when pulling all 3 lasher packs to the dragonflies

[strong forum]

Cuz they don't attack prematurely

And wait for when it's all stacked

[final gust]

the dragonflies jump on randoms don't they?

[round pendant]

Everyone prejacs and I hate it

[strong forum]

The dragonflies don't 1shot

So idk where the issue is

[final gust]

if two of them decide to jump on the same person

when there's 6 of them

[strong forum]

You don't do 6

Never do 6

[round pendant]

Don't pull 2 packs of skitters

[strong forum]

You do 3+lashers

Then 3 skitters + boss

[final gust]

where do you pull lashers to not pull the other 3 skit

[strong forum]

Literally anywhere

Like huh

50% of the entire room is 1 skitter pack patrol

[round pendant]

Just don't prox pull them

[strong forum]

50% of the other half is other skitter pack patrol

[final gust]

both skit packs pat through a lasher pack

[strong forum]

Lashers don't social

[final gust]

ah

that'd do it

[strong forum]

If you don't pull dumb

Unless the skitterers are literally ontop of the big flower

They won't social

Only the big flowers social

[round pendant]

Don't think I've had a single AA where someone didn't die to the green swirlies

[patent saddle]

Is druid fuken healing so fuking shit on single target burst heal ? In jade serpent 3rd boss when he goes green I die with wall spell reflection and last stand and pot ? What am I doing wrong ? And impending victory I just get no heal from my healer

[round pendant]

Healer problem

Skill issue

[strong forum]

Rdruid is amazing at tank healing

Lol

[round pendant]

Does holy priest suck?

[strong forum]

No

Disc and preservation evoker are the worst tank healers

Shaman is alright

[round pendant]

My friend just sucks then

[strong forum]

Prevoker requires setup, holy priest is probably the simplest healer

Next to rsham

[round pendant]

He also refuses to use Heal

Panics and spams flash heal lol

[patent saddle]

I don't know what to do , I did that dungeon on 21 with random paladin and I was fine , last night I did with my friend healer and Rouge and they blame me for death

I died 2x on that boss

On 21 key I just got no heal

All my shit was up I have no more buttons to press

[strong forum]

Rdruid Sets up his hots on you and can them regrowth spam if need be, but rdruid has insane throughput capabilities

Hpal is probably the only healer who can burst more healing than druid on tanks

[round pendant]

If you're spreading CDs properly and still dying it's one of two things imo:
DPS is too low to phase before you run out of CDs
Healer sucks

They'll blame you cause you died because they're used to tanks shrugging off 99% of the things in the game lmao

[strong forum]

Doesn't help that pwar is the absolute worst tank vs that boss

But if you die through SW, it's on the healer

Simple as that

[violet flume]

spell block is also a good talent for jade temple, covers 2 green kicks i believe

[strong forum]

Cuz that's by far your biggest defensive

[patent saddle]

Shield wall spell reflect last stand pot impending victory on 1st I die , shield wall spell reflection rally cry bark skin on 2nd I die , even have around 80k +- ignore pain up too

[strong forum]

If that's true, its 100% on the healer

[round pendant]

Idk how you can die after using all that

[violet flume]

yeah, all that and you die thats healer

[strong forum]

Did you eat a wave or smth?

[violet flume]

im sure youre pumping out shiedlblock + ignore pain too

[patent saddle]

Nope out of it

[round pendant]

You shouldn't even be popping that much for 1 strike

[strong forum]

Cuz that should 100% cover the entirety

[violet flume]

yeah, cant eat wave, cant eat kick, only the strike

if you get hit more than the strike youre gonna get toasted for sure

[strong forum]

Like LS + pot alone should almost get you out of the debuff

Not even counting the healer

[patent saddle]

I had it recorded to Chek all game play on that boss my shit is used

[strong forum]

Like you're even overusing CDs

Too many at oncr

So your HP shouldn't even move

You're using 5 Sets of CDs, on 2

And if you still die there, something is seriously fucked

[patent saddle]

I have 414 ilvl almost 3k vers 5k haste 514k hp over 1k 20% leech too

[ember tangle]

make sure to pop last stand after the hit

[patent saddle]

Yea I do

[strong forum]

Ya idk

If all you're saying is true

Then idk

[violet flume]

last stand after hit counts as healing for the absorb i bet?

[lofty widget]

just tell your healer to heal

[patent saddle]

I have recorded on my PC

[ember tangle]

yes

[violet flume]

good to know

[patent saddle]

We looked last night I used my stuff

[ember tangle]

last stand counts as healing you

[round pendant]

Remind your healer that they're not playing a DPS spec right now

[strong forum]

You're literally exhausting all CDs in the game to cover for 2 strikes, that should be enough to tank a fucking +28 tyr

So idk what's happening

[patent saddle]

Y I dunno healer is friends gf that plays Rouge with me , and she said to him she used her heals , we had 2 21 keys 2nd I even recorded as I said I use my shit and I just die

[lean gale]

can we as prot help with dathea mythic add stacking? we have only 1 DK in our raid atm, and i switch platform without any dk

[ember tangle]

aoe taunt talent can help

[strong forum]

Disruptive shout

Done

[ember tangle]

the one that makes it interrupt

what he said

[strong forum]

1 talent to solve all your issues

[lean gale]

shit i totally forgot that talent

[patent saddle]

Y I dunno what to do I have nightmares od jade serpent I can't live on that boss , only dungeon I have issue with

[ember tangle]

just make sure people don't use their hard cc before they stack

[lean gale]

100% you are Gold men

[round pendant]

Imo there's no way you can pop all that and not survive

like.. it's just auto attacks until the next kick

And you'll have reduced so much damage the absorb and shit is basically a non-issue

[warm plinth]

need to show log

so we can actuallyl see what's wrong

[patent saddle]

I die literally in 3 seconds I go back to boss to hit him , charge back in or walk in depend and just die mid way

[lean gale]

And you were totally right with crit gaming. I know have 10% vers instead of 20% and now i have 29% crit, and it feels better. vers is really overstated

*now

[round pendant]

yeah I switched to crit too

sucks cause my 418 shield is haste/vers

[lean gale]

i recrafted all my things to haste/crit

[scenic mural]

in a perfect world are you guys going tier chest or tier gloves?

[patent saddle]

Haste crit is better now then haste vers ?

[warm plinth]

Tier gloves. Chest is a bigger budget slot so you'd want a better statted one if possible.

[warm plinth]

crit and vers are about equal. The mentality we're trying to discourage is the mentality that you need to stack a stat

[pearl saddle]

someone tell me wtf to do on liu in TJS for prot. ive done it on 20 on everytank but warrior i wanna kms irl everytime

[bold turret]

Pins

[warm plinth]

To clarify on the pin, he's not saying use all of those at once. He's saying combine defensives ahead of time with heals afterward to mitigate the hit/bleed and help get rid of the absorb with a heal.

[patent saddle]

Hope you get healers attention and heals when you use your cds , I have same issue , just don't get healed half of the time

[warm plinth]

Which is quite weird since there's literally 0 other damage on the fight besides the tank hit.

[patent saddle]

When you have that absorb on you. In logs should still show in Details that you are receiving heals yea ?

I died first time 3k overkill 2nd time 5k overkill , my issue is resolved

Didn't get healed eunofh

[lean gale]

i have now whetstone 415, totem 421 and icon 421. Which trinket comb should i play for raid and m+? When i sim myself i would play in raid whetstone + icon. And in M+ Icon (when heal and DPS have it) + totem. What you guys are saying?

[warm plinth]

Whetstone/icon in raid, whetstone/totem in M+. Icon/totem in M+ assuming everyone else has it.

[orchid frigate]

is disrupting shout anything that would be nice on those mind controller packs in SBG?

[warm plinth]

Mmm, not really? You shouldn't have much interrupting to do on those packs unless people are pepega and stop the casts. On first pull you can go ahead and kick the back one to get it with the rest but other than that you only stop them from casting when they're about to die.

[orchid frigate]

yeah usually do as you described

[lean gale]

[warm plinth]

Even if people do fuck up and stop the others, you have shockwave, intim shout, and your own kick

[orchid frigate]

would like to know why random group members get meeled during those 2 pulls tho

[warm plinth]

Two possible reasons that are closely related:
1.) You need to generate threat on the dominators. The dominators are the aggro table for the undead mob that they are dominating until the dominator dies.
2.) You need to stop the dominate cast (the main one that they're doing when you pull) before the dominator dies, if that undead mob is still alive. Failing to do so will make it impossible to control who that mob is hitting.

Since it's really hard to keep track of which undead mob belongs to which dominator once everything is grouped, the safe play is to stop the dominates right before the dominator dies just to be safe, even if you think its undead mob might not be alive anymore.

[dry sonnet]

How do you deal with people dying constantly on last boss of RLP?

I've tried with 3 groups in 18/19, everytime they die the second the dragon lands in phase 2

[radiant fog]

I try to pre-position based o nwhere pools are dropped, and where the wind is going to be facing on the next cast

You can't control what they do, but you can influence and game where they should be

[dry sonnet]

They drop flamespits randomly :/

I even gave them a WA

It's so frustrating

sigh

[orchid frigate]

thanks @warm plinth !

[lone eagle]

drop markers

markers are the safety box

two on the pillars, two on the diamonds on the floor halfway across the platform

stay away from far edge, its a deathtrap

[orchid frigate]

if i channel guzzler i guess i dont block/dodge/parry?

[inner hound]

If they always die when the dragon lands, are you sure that's not an aggro issue? The aggro resets when he lands on both of them and you need to aoe taunt them

[dry sonnet]

No I meant they die to fire poop

The moment there's 3 of them with flamespit they drop it everywhere and die

[mighty valley]

barely anyone knows or thinks about planning around the wind directions

one of those bosses where the mechanics are irrelevant on low keys so people don't get forced to learn

[tame jasper]

yes almost nobody knows the cicle

I have a WA which writes them to party

but with all the thundering chat

rarly seen I think

https://wago.io/ojLc0v3H5/1

For those who are interested. You can configure it, e.g. the party chat

[cinder storm]

Temple 21, warlock pulls first boss while we are clearing elemental, dies 6 times, twice on first boss, 53k dps overall, went over for 13s

I rarely rage, this was one of those few times

[hardy snow]

its just skill issue, you cant do much about it

[worn sable]

Hey so I'm tanking 18AA on my 405ilvl protwarr... dying to Lasher Toxin ticks 190k, 261k, 249k etc.... My dps breakdown is 148k destro lok, 103k devevok, 82k bm hunter, and me at 73k.... Why am I getting dropped in this fight?

I suspect it's a dps issue not killing adds or phasing boss quickly enough to get mini tree add to cleanse toxin. but I could be wrong

[pallid quiver]

The tree clears the bleed, not the poison

the poison should just get poison dispelled

[worn sable]

we had a holy priest for heals

so basically you can't run dungeon without someone who can cleanse poison?

[pallid quiver]

It's pretty much inting, yeah

It's still doable but, like

at least a DPS who can poison cleanse

[worn sable]

I've done AA without a cleanse in the past but not at this high of a key

[pallid quiver]

If you really need to, you can also rock Bitter Immunity for a self-cleanse

but you're only really gonna get one use out of that

[brittle silo]

if your dps can clear adds fast enough (~30 stacks) u can just eat the poison with defensive. Doable on 22

[stuck basin]

you can kite mobs a bit when you got threat...

shockwave and run around get a slow in or something like that - vortex ring of peace...

[brittle silo]

But yea, poison dispell is trivializing this fight for a tank to bare minimum

[stuck basin]

but druid an monk could have poison dispell anyways never mind 😅

[tame jasper]

certain dps can dispell too, like monk/druid

[worn sable]

Thanks guys, I appreciate the advice. I will forward it along so that these gamers can make the adjustment for the future.

[ornate crystal]

If you don't got any poison cleanse in group you could spec into bitter immunity and take care of it yourself also.

[blissful fable]

hello

quick q

i am using a spell reflect aura

I am fury main but when I play as prot the weak aura doesnt announce reflects in chat and sometimes doesnt even show that reflect is coming up

[tame jasper]

Some WA set themself only to the spec they are imported, check below "load" if this does this too

[blissful fable]

thank you my guy

fixed ❤️

[orchid frigate]

do you guys do first double packs this week in NO?

[dusky fable]

i've timed 3 20's in nok this week

no

i dont trust pugs to do it right

[eager phoenix]

no reason to, timer is very chill

[stuck basin]

pretty much a bolstering fiesta with bowmans oneshotting your group if you go for it ...

[magic roost]

~30% Haste overall or without talents?

[warm plinth]

?

30% is not a breakpoint for anything

[magic roost]

well you have diminishing return after 30% or not

[warm plinth]

Yes, but it's 10%. It's insignificant.

It means it takes 187 haste for 1% instead of 170

[magic roost]

okay but generally in the gudie it says more stats is better

doesnt matter what stat

[warm plinth]

Correct

[magic roost]

so would that mean other stats would be better than this

[warm plinth]

If it's higher ilevel, sure

If it's the same ilevel, no

[magic roost]

so that means i should head for 20% haste when i play into the fray

?

[warm plinth]

No, you need like

35-40% haste to play ItF in keys

[magic roost]

35 with or without

[warm plinth]

Without

[magic roost]

itf

[warm plinth]

The people running it are doing it unsafely, so unless you really know what you're doing, you should not run Into the Fray in keys.

Because you will have gaps in Shield Block

[hardy snow]

i prefer to do one patrol+one balista pack together on BL

[magic roost]

i can hold it up without the repercussion tho

[warm plinth]

Barricade?

You can't have 100% uptime with ItF unless you're running Bolster or have a borderline unobtainable amount of haste.

[round pendant]

I'm a bad player

I like double shield wall talent

it makes me feel comfy literally anywhere

[hardy snow]

its cool in certain situations

[round pendant]

I should really get a flavour pocket

[jagged pier]

I mean it works out to less sw's in total

But u do u

[jagged pier]

Logs please

[buoyant tangle]

what do you run instead of barbaric training? I've been using either intervene or bounding stride

[quiet monolith]

On 20+ keys first boss of av on tyrannical is trucking me super bad. Are there any tips or tricks to mitigating his huge hits that come out when he is glowing ?

[cinder storm]

Reflect

[ionic fern]

Infused Strike should be reflected.

Rest does 0 damage.

[cinder storm]

Other than that is a healer check

[quiet monolith]

Ok that's what I thought

I didn't want to blame the healer

But I'm reflecting them all

[cinder storm]

That boss is a bag of potatoes

Do you have logs?

[round pendant]

is hunger of the pack good for prot/arms?

[quiet monolith]

I don't log my m+

Do you generally pull that boss outside of the circle to make it easier to land the smash to hit multiple trees?

[ionic fern]

Hit the middle ones + 2 ones in the otuer circle

So, no.

[quiet monolith]

Do the trees deal dam when they are out ? My muscle memory tells me not to be too close to them but I see some streams where tanks are almost right on top of them

[ionic fern]

There's a purple patch under them that deals damage.

[round pendant]

I love that boss

[cinder storm]

When you get used to it, there's almost always going to be 4 in the outer circle that you can get plus the two on the middle, but that means you might have to move the boss bit and pugs probably won't react fast to the frontal

[quiet monolith]

He's just suck a fat ass that it's hard to rotate and position it sometimes

[round pendant]

It's not that bad

Pay attention to where the arrow on his circle is pointing

even if he's right next to a tree you can usually fit inbetween the tree and him

[cinder storm]

Yeah, it's actually an easy boss, the frontal is a wide cone at the end if that helps

[round pendant]

how many points do you lose for barely going over time?

like 10?

[round pendant]

It's really good for some things though, like jade serpent final pack and even the bone bois in SBG

I can just kite ofc but I prefer to kite as little as possible

[cinder storm]

For the bone adds it's better to take spell block than aegis

[ionic fern]

Both.

[round pendant]

.. Spell block works on void slash?

[cinder storm]

Not mandatory since you can step away from the frontal

[round pendant]

Never seems to work for me

they just chase fast af while casting

works sometimes and other times doesn't

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[round pendant]

Damn that's obvious now that I actually thought about it

but that's good to know

[uneven ice]

Is there a guide or something to learn how to strafe/backpedal safely?

[round pendant]

wdym safely?

[uneven ice]

Like the best way to move withou being backhit

I feel like when I kite I end being backhitted

[ionic fern]

Don't turn your back to the enemies..

[round pendant]

strafe sideways away from them

[uneven ice]

If you run with A, perpendicular to the mob, you block things?

What is not clear to me is when the game considers you are showing the back and when the side

Like, is a 180degrees frontal?

The blocking zone? Or it’s more than 180deg

[round pendant]

If you can't melee it, it's behind you

so go to a dummy and check it out

[uneven ice]

Ah, that is a good one

Nice, thanks

[round pendant]

I think it might be like a 90 degrees cone behind you tho

I actually don't know for sure

while you can melee in front of you 180 degrees

[uneven ice]

And in the logs the back hits show?

I can see how many times something hit me on the back?

[placid oar]

Hi guys, if i have a ilvl 418 shield and 1hder. Is it better to open as prot for a chance at a ilvl 421 shield or should i roll as Arms for a chance at a 421 2hder though i can craft a 418 sword? Appreciate to hear your thoughts

[steep wraith]

You can't block

Any hit that isn't blocked hit you in the back

[round pendant]

why would you want a 2h

[uneven ice]

That is with 100% SB uptime, isn’t it?

[placid oar]

oh, so i can play Arms as an offspec if friends need a dps

[steep wraith]

Yeah, which you should have

[placid oar]

also, i am unsure if 418 shield is good enough

[round pendant]

I would just craft a 2h for offspec, and try to get a 421 wep/shield from prot spec

[uneven ice]

Ok

[placid oar]

ah i see

okok thank you

[round pendant]

since yknow, it's offspec

[placid oar]

the 3 ilvl does make a huge difference?

[round pendant]

They're valuable on shields for sure

block stat very good

[placid oar]

woo okok

i shall roll as prot then

thank you

initially i thought i roll as Arms to gear other spec but looks like shield still needs work on (=

[hazy sluice]

When do you use bl on umbrelskul?

[tawny maple]

There a good reason to run puzzle box?

[lime urchin]

No

Unless you don’t have another trinket in your bags

[strong forum]

Either on pull with CDs, or for the fractures

[round pendant]

damn was having such a smooth CoS run

and then someone pulled literally all the mobs while fighting the enforcer on the right side

still timed it but wtf?

we were like 10% over count because of that

[strong forum]

Cos is really lenient on timer

[tawny maple]

Alrighty thanks was just wondering because I sAw iT iN thE MDi but seemed troll so

[strong forum]

Mdi is nothing like the real game

Unless you try to speedrun your own low keys

[tawny maple]

Ye I know

Was just curious

Also hi Nom

🩸

[round pendant]

15 deaths

[strong forum]

I mean

I've timed keys with 36 deaths

In the 20 range

Nothing is impossible

[sick sentinel]

okay, so, yes, i know that the crafted neck with the absorb is bad, but in what way that makes it truly garbage? like its a rng proc, or the shield is just too low, or the duration or the cd or it incurs some potion cd or what

i think i saw at like base craft ilvl, its 70-85k shield, so at 418 its maybe like 120-150k im guessing, as that'd be the only thing that changes.

i've got a spark and i have an idea of whats good but just need examples of why bad ones are bad

[ionic plank]

3 minute cooldown on use, right?

[sick sentinel]

yeah, like, if the bubble from it is 20seconds ++, it might balance out for 3m cd

or its a big amount on the bubble

[ionic plank]

are you talking about this?

[sick sentinel]

yeah, that looks incredibly bad when you put it like that

[ionic plank]

I didnt put it like anything, I just screenshotted the item

yeah doesnt look very good to me

[sick sentinel]

i dunno what class could use it, possibly BDK with +15% absorbs talent (if that works....) for some raid boss or mdi crap or like healer

[strong forum]

Bdk really doesn't need to get ehp increases

[ionic plank]

not sure it's ever worth for anyone to be honest

[strong forum]

They're by far the sturdiest tank on bosses and smaller pulls

[sick sentinel]

nomeratur is evolving

and his name changed

now is raid boss

[strong forum]

Everybody can change their name now

Doesn't require mods to do anymore

[ionic plank]

valarjar getting more rights??

[sick sentinel]

GG, tahts premium mode active crap anyways lol, had far too many name changes and emails to settle on one namew

[round pendant]

What key is easiest points? need 76 more for 2400

AA is over time, NO is overtime on fortified

[sick sentinel]

i mean, that thing does say per gem

so what if you got like 22 gems equipped

[ionic plank]

it'd probably be a pretty big shield yeah, but how would you manage that?

[atomic inlet]

hey guys for more dps mastery is good or vers?

[sick sentinel]

2 gems at 20k, thats not good at all

[atomic inlet]

or cirit even?

[sick sentinel]

what if its 35k-45k per gem and you got 17 of them

after you 418 it and gem stuff

[ionic plank]

not mastery

[ionic plank]

I think max gems is like 8...

[timber terrace]

By the time you get that many sockets you'll look for damage not mitigation

[atomic inlet]

this is my state i only want dps what gem shoud i put into cirit master or vers? idc about defens sinc im doin low content

[sick sentinel]

3neck 2ring belt head wrists ?gloves??

[wooden widget]

Sim

Is the only answer anyone can give you that’s actually meaningful

[ionic plank]

I dont think you can socket gloves

[sick sentinel]

I don’t either tbh

[distant crystal]

i could see shield neck being good for brew

with celestial and the ability to reliably use the shield by taking dmg 24/7

max gems is 8 thought right

[torn gulch]

you can have 8 gems max

[distant crystal]

i too just counted socket slots in my imagination :p

[torn gulch]

3 on neck and 1 on head, wrist, belt and both rings

[sick sentinel]

rings and trinkets can have sockets

plus the new ring we get has 3 slots

the crafted rings all come with a socket baseline, so thats gunna be 3 or 4 from rings, 3 if the big gem slot doesn't count. i believe trinkets are harder to get with sockets i dunno if u can just socket them via vault

[wooden widget]

Trinkets can’t have sockets ?

[supple pawn]

is ruby welp shell still worth it? and if so, do i train it to single or multi target?

[round pendant]

it's ok, single target best

[distant crystal]

trinkets from current content can't have sockets

and rings can have 1

it's 8 total

[hardy snow]

main issue is that it makes you weaker as it steals your secondaries, while shield is not that great enough to compensate weakning yourself, and on top of that with such long CD you wont have that many usages of this, while other embelishments have high or 100% uptime

tldr: amount and duration of absorb doesnt compensate flaws of this item

[hidden ether]

3 socket ring? Just like the ammy

[potent harbor]

yo guys is there any reason to soak all orbs as tank in AA Vexamus on tyra? we were 22 key and druid was caps locking soak all orbs tank, when i didnt soak all he left, i dont understand? normally i soak 2 max 3 and we totaly fine?

[wooden widget]

Maybe he wanna dispel one person

[potent harbor]

ye but its not needed i dont know i never had problem on vexamus

[wooden widget]

And figured you’ll take the initial ticks and hits the best

[potent harbor]

also movement, like running around like idiot?

i can iamgine someone will then stay with me inf ront and get hit by frontal beam

[wooden widget]

Yeah it’s tough sometimes spinning that boss all over

I’ve never soaked more than 3 as a tank

I have seen a druid get them all before tho

Resto

[potent harbor]

YE thanks

that druid was over ego idiot

i also always soak max 3 and never had problem

not even close to die as group

[wooden widget]

Yeah it seems like something he shoulda said before boss

Before key even started *

Especially if it was gonna cause a gamer moment rage quit

[hardy snow]

some people just really thinks that if mechanic is doable by tank, then tank should do it and nobody else

[edgy spear]

no reason to dodge ground effects that dont oneshot you then. healer mechanic

[potent harbor]

@wooden widget i said before start, route, he talk bullsheit even before vexamus that we do those mobs before, then when boss started he says tank soak all orbs i coudlnt react because it was pulled

and then i didnt want do that but dps confused didnt soak

so i hads to

hate those morons

[wooden widget]

Lol yeah after pull is way too late for a strat change

[plush tendon]

its possible to soak most, if not all as tank; but it gets tricky with frontal overlap

[potent harbor]

like tbh i dont know how u guys climb more then 2,9k and above´i always but always get one fuckign retard ing roup like this

[plush tendon]

I aim to get 3 at least; If I can get more I do

[potent harbor]

im starting to be depressed

[plush tendon]

but Im watching that beam timer, cause you know if you spinning Vex some guy is getting splat by the frontal

[potent harbor]

bro always some perosn get frontal

when 2,9k people cant avoid dragon frontal in aa

i doubt they avoid this one

[nimble laurel]

Make Friends and run with them.

[potent harbor]

im jsut realistic, last threee aa always someone dies on that easiest boss in universe on frontal

[blazing condor]

its always fun to play pug roulette

[plush tendon]

Ive only started pugging again... its awful

my guild is now on the alt train

and weekly 20 grind

[potent harbor]

@nimble laurel have friends jsut noone wants do keys above 20, making new ones soudns liek eternity work

[plush tendon]

[wooden widget]

Tank soaking all orbs is fine. What’s not fine is getting upset and not adapting then leaving group

[round pendant]

I really fucked up on RLP 2nd boss

But didn't die

but I didn't time my cds or anything at all

basically blocked the initial hit on searing blow and had to panic every time

[plush tendon]

only thing that matters

[round pendant]

Why am I so bad.

[plush tendon]

[potent harbor]

@wooden widget i find whats not evne mroe fun try to command party as healer when its tank job

[nimble laurel]

There is no reason for the tank to soak all the orbs.

[wooden widget]

Lol exactly. Controlling someone else’s character never ever works out

[potent harbor]

thats what i mean and asked is there reason? if not then im calm

[wooden widget]

There’s a lot going on during 2nd boss. Losing track of something doesn’t mean ur bad. Just gotta get reps in.

[round pendant]

Also got one of the dps guys meleed by the add

[wooden widget]

Like I’ve done my defensives and positioning perfectly but then the add kills a dps

Hahaha same

3 big things. Add threat. Positioning. And searing blows.

[marble cipher]

add threat = positioning though if I'm not mistaken there

[nimble laurel]

..the fire elemental melees?

[round pendant]

yeah it slaps

[marble cipher]

you go out of his melee, he'll slap a dps

even with aggro on him

[potent harbor]

@round pendant u not bad but as tank u have to stay super calm in every situation and thing logicly and jsut do what u supossed to do, so when add spawns, u know in ur head oaky i need use spell reflect, then kiuck add, then i use shield block and some defensive and spam ip/victory rush then kite backward from aoe and ricne repeat, once u do this over and over it becomes routinne in ur head and u will chill, but u ahve to find system

[nimble laurel]

Ha

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-slap-slapping-face-gif-15752345

^ the fire elemental

[wooden widget]

Oh interesting. I’m more inclined to believe I moved out of melee than actually lost threat. My dmg is typically high

Ty for pointing that out

[round pendant]

Happens on final boss too

[plush tendon]

yea, gotta challenging shout when you enter P2 of the 3rd boss RLP

[round pendant]

When he's riding the dragon, he's rooted and that means if you leave his range, someone else will get slapped

[marble cipher]

It's a very common thing on that boss, dps getting slapped by the add cause tank being slightly too far away from the add, even with threat on it 😄

[plush tendon]

or else, someone is getting slapped

[round pendant]

I gotta do a NO but I hate that dungeon on tyr

so many runs where I got to the final boss and people just can't handle the 2nd phase

dead

[potent harbor]

it happens on mroe things, for example i beleive lashers on tree boss, those second ones after tree branch have fixcate aggro

like i cant overaggro them or qvoertaunt them i always say dps wait one gcd or two

[round pendant]

Yeah that's just aggro reset

shit mechanic imo

[potent harbor]

or temple jade serpent third boss when she turns into dragon, aggro reset happens

not tank fault melee jsut need to know or use some def to eat that one autoattack or mvoe out in that moment

cause sometimes u spam taunt liek crazy still if someone closer or have lower ping dies

not our fault, thast when i play arms im immortal cause u know all tank tricks and stuff 😍

[round pendant]

I'm such a nice dps player when I play offspec tbh

[plush tendon]

my issue with playing arms is that whenever I try to DPS a key, I just start judging the tank

[round pendant]

I don't dps til tank has grouped the mobs

I don't hit the boss first and get auto attacked

[round pendant]

Yeah that's the downside

I've been toxic and pulled more

I'm one of those

[potent harbor]

@plush tendon well im trying to avoid it, cause then i play also worser not worth

everyone ahs same bad habit, for example me, since i played decade pvp i permanently do ad ad ad ad left right left right 😄

but trying rly avoid it on big packs

[plush tendon]

I kind of miss SL arms

where it was just smash+spear+bladstorm

[round pendant]

Legion arms

😢

[jaunty reef]

Does any of you play with the Darkmoon Deck: Dance trinket?

[plush tendon]

I didnt play War till BFA

[jaunty reef]

Seems like my biggest DPS increase, and my trinkets are horrible

[plush tendon]

naw

not wurf

what you running now?

[sick sentinel]

sort of same

[jaunty reef]

382 Ruby Whelp and 392 Idol of Trampling Hooves

Literally the only trinkets ive seen all expansion

[plush tendon]

Idol is decent

do some courts; get a whetstone

and youll be set

[round pendant]

"some" courts

[plush tendon]

at least theres decent other pieces in there to!

[sick sentinel]

its nothin but,

[plush tendon]

I'm having my roommate who just started play the game spam 11 Courts

[round pendant]

I've done like 30 courts and seen whetstone ONCE

[plush tendon]

for literally everything in there

[sick sentinel]

i did those keys for valor last week

[jaunty reef]

CoS and AA are my most played dungeons. No DGE, no Puzzle box, no Melandrus ring, no Whetstone yet

[plush tendon]

just keep doing it!

I bet there is still stuff you need besides trinkets; lots of good pieces in there to upgrade and catalyze

and its a pretty fast dungeon

[round pendant]

How many points do you lose for not timing a dungeon but still getting points?

[jaunty reef]

@plush tendon Not really

[plush tendon]

whats your I level?

[jaunty reef]

404

[plush tendon]

so you sort of at the point you need score and valor

to upgrade stuff: im sort of just guessing.... but regardless the darkmoon trinket is not really good

[jaunty reef]

Just for reference

[plush tendon]

my current understanding is that the Darkmoon decks are a bait; I havnt seen anything to the contrary of that; but hey, if you want to give one a go, not gonna stop you

[viscid kiln]

they sim if working properly, issue is they're bugged. The shield one stays at 7 all the time which isn't the worst, and the dance starts with a card then drops so you end up getting 0 bonus so its crap

[sick sentinel]

i can buy mount whenever i log ion

[spare loom]

is a shield upgrade noticeable?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[plush tendon]

shield is most important

[spare loom]

i upgraded my shield from 405 to 418 and was wondering if I'll feel it

[plush tendon]

yea

to a point

[distant crystal]

you will take less dmg from melees

whether or not you notice is another question :p

[sick sentinel]

don't go nuts looking for a new shield, but the second one drops

[spare loom]

yeah fair, magic damage is the same

[sick sentinel]

ayyyy yooooo can i get that dude?

i saw that the item that i want, dropped and you got it and if it just so happened that you did not need that item, you coudl trade me the shield

[amber siren]

it'll boost your spell block at least

[round pendant]

Man how do I actually handle the adds on 2nd phase final boss of NO?

it's pretty tricky to get aggro on them all

[distant crystal]

it's a team effort

[round pendant]

while also interrupting

[distant crystal]

you need ranged kickers and ppl need to stand near you so they group up

for the aoe stops

[amber siren]

i take the interrupt shout bcs i dont trust pugs

[distant crystal]

but heroic throw helps on the threat end

[round pendant]

How many can that interrupt shout hit?

[potent harbor]

@round pendant inv dk dps and he grips them all to middle

problem solved

[round pendant]

Yeah that's nice

[potent harbor]

u then dont even need mass kick and can go bigger dmg with show of force

or lower demo shout for booming

i dont paly high key without dk in that dung

[round pendant]

also, I do fat dps so I'm doing alright

but

[potent harbor]

u do biog packs dk is god on this

[round pendant]

I never actually bothered figuring this out

How many targets should I prio thunder clap over SS without avatar?

[viscid kiln]

yup, main is dk and our grips make everything easy. 2nd boss AV, never have to go to add.

[round pendant]

Yeah I love DKs in the party for some dungeons

[plush tendon]

you can also assign hard CCS

if we dont have a reliable way to get em group, we usually CC one side with trap, blind, etc.

[wooden widget]

Do you mean an outburst proc? If you just mean regular tc v shield slam I’m pretty sure the number is 8

[round pendant]

EIGHT?

That's good to know

[wooden widget]

Someone else knows better like nome but ss is prio

[round pendant]

yeah the rage gen is too good I guess

[plush tendon]

the wowhead guide says 5 or more

[crystal mauve]

5 is with Avatar up

[round pendant]

Thought it was 2 with avatar and unstoppable

[crystal mauve]

If you don't consider the rage 2 target would be the answer but with the rage it goes up

[wooden widget]

I’m also thinking about extending sb tho

For pure dmg it’s probably different

They’re both up so quickly it’s kinda like meh…whichever

But ss prio 😭

[gritty swallow]

So my guild got to mythic kurog last night and that boss is absolutely chewing up both me and my cotank who is vengeance

Is it just a high damage boss that we’re still adjusting to? I feel like I’m blowing through full IP pools in a global or two

[crystal mauve]

Send some logs so we can understand, without them it's impossible to tell anything

[gritty swallow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mnrg7qxj6cGwKLP9/

Probably have some funky talents because I just loaded in my generic aoe talent build so also open to suggestions there

[plush tendon]

talents seem fine; but prob instigate over bloodsurge

and ITF over HR

which part specifically is giving you guys the most trouble?

[gritty swallow]

I think it’s just incoming damage taken for both of us

[plush tendon]

When I did it, we figured that fire was pretty easy in terms of tank damage

[gritty swallow]

Some of it is healing issues because on a couple death logs I received no healing other than passive hots but we both feel like we’re getting blasted

[plush tendon]

Earth gets scary because of heal absord, so plan to use healthpot or Lock candys to help the healers out

[gritty swallow]

Yeah I try to keep enduring victory, last stand, etc available as well

[crisp thunder]

Its so hard to keep 100% uptime on shield block without HR

[plush tendon]

I mean, its fine to not be at 100% in raid

[plush tendon]

yea, im not really sure if you are doing anything egregiously wrong, but Kurog is a step above the otherfights in terms of damage intake for tanks

Would probably need someone with a bigger brain to look at your log

[dusty mica]

is crafting a shield out the gate a good use of a spark? I know you can get one from eranog but I don't think I'll be raiding on my warr, nevermind heroic/mythic

[sick sentinel]

my box sucks lol

[urban portal]

its pretty good

[plush tendon]

shield craft is a good idea

[sick sentinel]

i could get a 398 shield with haste versa, or a 411 ring with haste versa

[plush tendon]

best shield you can get minus Brood Shield or Weekly box 20

[lofty widget]

use SW for the sundering strikes

[dusty mica]

is a shield cheap to upgrade with valor? I got one out of a 10 AV last night that could be upgraded. Would save me a spark to use on a diff piece of shite gear

[strong forum]

250 valor

[civic holly]

whts this strike twice weapon in my vault

[dusty mica]

ok not bad

[strong forum]

strike twice is bis weapon this season

[civic holly]

ty legend ❤️

[sick sentinel]

these are my only real 2 options other one is pants, i have good pants

[civic holly]

hell yeah boys

[dusty mica]

does that weap generate extra rage?

[strong forum]

no

its just free dmg

[hollow hill]

is blazebinder's good for raid tanking or mostly M+?

[bold olive]

assume 415 chest, 421 tier gloves already

What would you take?

[bold olive]

gz

[plush tendon]

chest

get the I levels

and Catalyst

[bold olive]

Yeah, raidbots has me using it and catalysting my 415 shoulders

[plush tendon]

I tend to just catalyze everything for the mog XD

Power gains are temporary: TMOG is forever