Real
#protection
lucid pasture
tame jasper
In fortified I start with tree and pop BL on trash to have it on bird. In tyra start with vex (shroud/invis so u only play the 3 bookgrps before boss) and pop BL there and on birds
brittle silo
In fortified I start with tree and pop BL on trash to have it on bird. In tyra s...
even in forti I go vexa as that's much harder boss compared to tree. So I dont waste 15 minutes with pugs getting there ^^
Timer's fine anyway
Also u dont have to run china from vexa->doradosa
wanton lance
vex being harder than tree is copium imo
sick sentinel
frequently, despite how i talk here, on entering a key, i often have no real idea what my team does or the enemy does
wanton lance
they both arent hard really, unless you get to the overlap of bombs and fissure on vex, but that doesnt happen before like 25s
sick sentinel
just, assume team is there to help me and rest of team, dont look into what abilities they have
same for dungeon monsters
brittle silo
vex being harder than tree is copium imo
tell that to my pug groups please. Out of 8 wiperino/deplettos 5 were on vexa (w/o overlap to be precise)
tame jasper
Also u dont have to run china from vexa->doradosa
In general take double pull on the bridge to tree. So not much running 🤷♂️ But I yeah I see your point.
wanton lance
tell that to my pug groups please. Out of 8 wiperino/deplettos 5 were on vexa (w...
been there brother, i spent 4 hours yesterday trying to time an AA 23 so i could get 3k
orchid frigate
even if i dont play high keys im actually tempted to switch to dwarf just for making keys more chill 😄
brittle silo
been there brother, i spent 4 hours yesterday trying to time an AA 23 so i could...
Ye, vexa isn't hard at all. But tree is a joke compared to him. So It's not key timesaves. It's my time saver
lucid pasture
they both arent hard really, unless you get to the overlap of bombs and fissure ...
It does definitely happen before 25s
tame jasper
Yeah tree is only hard if dps suxx
wanton lance
It does definitely happen before 25s
well it doesnt happen on 23s and i havent gotten to 24s yet
brittle silo
Yeah tree is only hard if dps suxx
u wont get past bird if dps suxx. Problem solved 😄
lucid pasture
well it doesnt happen on 23s and i havent gotten to 24s yet
Has happend to me on 24 23 and 22
ionic fern
well it doesnt happen on 23s and i havent gotten to 24s yet
I've had that overlap happen in anywhere between 20-24.
lucid pasture
🤓
wanton lance
you guys need to find some blasters
lucid pasture
you guys need to find some blasters
But you Are delusional no?
tame jasper
u wont get past bird if dps suxx. Problem solved 😄
😂😂
brittle silo
isn't it u can just manipulate arcane orbs to force fissure early?
lucid pasture
wanton lance
But you Are delusional no?
ionic fern
Jeh, i always invite the big 3k+ DPS'ers to +21 keys and they do 0 DPS.
Big blasters.
tame jasper
isn't it u can just manipulate arcane orbs to force fissure early?
Orbs give him energy so hes doing the aoeearlier
lucid pasture
Jeh, i always invite the big 3k+ DPS'ers to +21 keys and they do 0 DPS.
Big blas...
I always invite the 1.7s that apply
Always big Dam inshallah
ionic fern
I actually had a group of 2.6k people yesterday in a Nokhud +20 i did.
Unironically they interrupted and used utility more than the 3k+ people.
😂
brittle silo
3k 8/8 warlock on my rlp23 yday with 60k dps on 1st boss would like to confirm
tame jasper
But orbs do damage to grp if they resch boss afair
ionic fern
I swear to god..
No one interrupts.
But when the tank dies due to no one interrupting then all of a sudden everyone finds their interrupt button because they are at the risk of dying.
marble cipher
^
blazing condor
i contemplate bathing with a toaster everytime i read "yeah but its a dps loss" from a dps not interrupting
brittle silo
But orbs do damage to grp if they resch boss afair
yes, that's why it's not ez to pull off ^^. Orbs shouldn't overlap with manabomb either
tame jasper
I swear to god..
No one interrupts.
But when the tank dies due to no one interru...
No. They blame u for not interrupting!
lucid pasture
I swear to god..
No one interrupts.
But when the tank dies due to no one interru...
And thats why you blame the tank
Chatting
ionic fern
"Shit tank, always dying".
lucid pasture
Real
ionic fern
tame jasper
"Shit tank, always dying".
This
lucid pasture
Aoe taunt interrupt chatting
ionic fern
brittle silo
Interrupts are fine. 1 near death experience and they open spellbook for that. But I've noticed that pugs really like to eat all the kind of frontals
wanton lance
i mean inturpt shockwave stormbolt fear
shield charge
tame jasper
Give me 5 interrupts.
Shout, taunt, pummel, stormbolt, warstomp, shockwave
ionic fern
I need those + interrupts.
ionic fern
"LET ME STUN THIS DUDE. OH WAIT, THE MONK/DH/ROGUE STUNNED THIS ONE ALL TOGETHER ON PULL".
jagged pier
lucid pasture
ResidentSleeper
ionic fern
"ME DH, ME DASH INTO FRONTAL FOR MOMENTUM. ME BLAME TANK"
brittle silo
"ME DH, ME DASH INTO FRONTAL FOR MOMENTUM. ME BLAME TANK"
are you spectating my keys?
jagged pier
shouldnt position the mob where hes gunna dash
ionic fern
shouldnt position the mob where hes gunna dash
You sound like a DH.
tame jasper
"LET ME STUN THIS DUDE. OH WAIT, THE MONK/DH/ROGUE STUNNED THIS ONE ALL TOGETHER...
Why tank dead, I interrupted!!!!11
blazing condor
:susge:
jagged pier
You sound like a DH.
blazing condor
jakey impostor
tame jasper
🤫
sick sentinel
"ME DH, ME DASH INTO FRONTAL FOR MOMENTUM. ME BLAME TANK"
i will NEVER EVER FORGET the dh from under rot 10......... seconds before starting key me: "you gotta do these things for these trashes" dh: "yeah yeah yeah stfu i know wtf im doing"
start key, literal 10 seconds into key, very very first pull, first mob ability going off, maggot casting cone breath, DH dies, me: "... uhuh..... you know what you're doing right?" dh leaves
for as long as i will live and still play video games, i will never ever forget this memory, this guy gave me the very best laugh i have had in a very long time
orchid frigate
TW quickest way to level?
spare loom
do I need defensive stance for Eranog on mythic? What about Council on mythic?
jagged pier
no
spare loom
alright
lime urchin
~20-25m per level.
But it’s mind boggling boring 
tame jasper
But it’s mind boggling boring <:sadge:820202363359854633>
which is all leveling ^^
merry phoenix
bro how to reliably aggro all 3 add packs on raza side platforms
lime urchin
No no I like to see some of the levelling content when levelling tonk alts.
merry phoenix
i always lose like 1-2 add aggro
ionic fern
But it’s mind boggling boring <:sadge:820202363359854633>
More exciting to me than questing.
The faster the better.
lime urchin
Yes I can imagine
ivory marsh
Quick question, why does the prio list for the opener not include using revenge before our other damage dealing CDs?
lime urchin
Why would you use it before?
ivory marsh
4% damage done buff from tier set?
lime urchin
Idk, I don’t think using it before or after avatar matters much
ivory marsh
No i mean using it before TR and SC
- Does the tier set damage buff apply to all damage done including trinkets or only to specific abilities?
- Is there a more technical guide/sheet for prot warrior than icy veins and wowhead?
amber siren
class ability increases will pretty much never interact with trinkets, tier set included
icy veins is a better guide than the wowhead one, the pins will have more specific advanced stuff like spell reflect lists or boss CD rotations
zealous spade
bro how to reliably aggro all 3 add packs on raza side platforms
First pack thundering roar +tc, second pre ravager + tc,third aoe taunt
merry phoenix
First pack thundering roar +tc, second pre ravager + tc,third aoe taunt
ahem, whats tc?
oh thunderclap
strange lintel
are we still stacking haste and vers for high key tanking
jagged pier
we never were
strange lintel
or can i double dip with my haste mastery fury set
oh even better then
do we need a base amount of haste to keep shield block up 100% or is it baseline now
jagged pier
u do that with talents
strange lintel
roger
so nothing stopping me from going like crit/vers or w.e stat gear i want. and focus on ilvl instead?
jagged pier
ilvl is always better
haste is still our best secondary stat
but u dont drop strength for it
true hawk
havent tanked in a bit but id like to start pushing 20s and w.e
then you wanna focus ilvl >>>> Haste >>>>> Versa > Crit >>>>>>>>>>>>mastery basically
Haste is always the prio but I feel that 30% is a good spot to stop with haste and focus on versa where you can, in enchants, gems etc
strange lintel
o7
dry spear
What about lariat. Versa crit or haste proc?
jagged pier
then you wanna focus ilvl >>>> Haste >>>>> Versa > Crit >>>>>>>>>>>>mastery basi...
this is wrong its ilvl> haste > crit =vers > mastery
true hawk
I got mine as haste still, since removing the primal gem will be a major haste loss putting me below 30%. Got one versa gem in the Lariat tho
strong forum
40% aka 7k
jagged pier
well yer
your not gunna get it
but u dont enchant vers or gem vers
if anything u gem crit before vers
true hawk
Noted, 30% haste has just been enough for me for a while and havent really been able to break the 30% barrier. Sacrificing a haste gem for a versa gem keeps me at 30% haste tho, and give me enough to reach 18% versa
strong forum
which doesnt matter at all
strong forum
thats personal satisfaction at best
like, a gem is 0.5% haste, or 0.4% vers
it don matter
true hawk
huh, runs feel more smooth when I prio versa slightly over crit tho, might just be my bias or healer difference
strong forum
thats confirmation bias
how the fuck do you feel 9% damage reduction
instead of for 90k youll be hit for ~82k
but since you have ignore pain and block
true hawk
by not losing half my health because someone ninjapulled an extra pack, instead just losing 40% which feels manageable xD
true hawk
But yes @strange lintel, listen to the coloured name people, especially the orange guy
strong forum
its just confirmation bias
which is fine
if you feel safer and thus more comfortable to play, sure do that
true hawk
ngl I'll just chalk it up to a healer difference man, I trust you more than I trust myself
strong forum
but in reality its not that impactful
if youre gonna panic because you think "oh shit i only have 5% dmg reduction instead of 9%, ill die now" is obv not helpful
true hawk
I mean, with how much I switch between def and battle stance I should be used to losing several % of dmg reduction anyway
true hawk
I am obviously talking about the ones who cast on me kekw
strong forum
im there are people out there who say most dmg taken in keys is magical
when thats just blatanly wrong
true hawk
Usually start pulls with def stance too but its just 1-2 GCDs then switch
strong forum
thats fine
steep wraith
Most of the dangerous damage taken is magical/bleeds though
jagged pier
and crit and mastery help mitigate it more
because they stop more physical damage
that your IP does more against the magic
and then getting another IP in with more haste
will do more than your few more % of vers
strong forum
and the "most dangerous dmg taken" exists very rarely in key
there are only 3 bleeds in the game
and 90% of bosses do nothing
steep wraith
Ofc it's rare, but people misplay stuff and vers always works
strong forum
vers wont save you from missplay
you cant reach meaningful levels of it
to prevent a mistake
steep wraith
Won't stop people from trying
strong forum
wont stop people from trying no, but people are finally picking up that its not that good
lime urchin
Good ole times, with big tiddies
strong forum
more and more people are understanding that its jusdt propaganda
so we gotta keep fighting the good fight
jagged pier
i member when we were told we needed 25% vers to do 20s at the start of the season
strong forum
until this delusion from of bfa is over
strong forum
im waiting for the day
steep wraith
At least in BFA you could reach 100%
strong forum
that people realize that m+ is limited by group survival and not tank survival
jagged pier
thats because they changed how they designed the dungeons
sick sentinel
until they learn that it is limited to healer survivability
not that healer is be all end all
but, however, if the healer start to get 1-2 shot by random shit all the time, uhhh that's a pretty strong dampener
echo scarab
But we do feel haste right
sick sentinel
keys start to go really really bad each passing second a healer is dead, or tank is dead
echo scarab
lime urchin
Many bosses are very healer dependant this season
sick sentinel
for some trash packs and bosses sure
you don't even need a healer at all literal if eveyone just avoids shit and uses dr's and heals
distant crystal
ehhh
sick sentinel
but there is just times when full healer mode is nothing else less will suffice
distant crystal
i'd like to see a no-healer group do first boss RLP at any decent key level
sick sentinel
well thats 5 support clases
distant crystal
that's cheating
sick sentinel
5 support specs my badf
try as 5 dps then im impress
also, its not cheating, its... unfair plane, he kemp bush
strong forum
but also i think theres another pally out there
doing 20-22s as 1ppally 4dps
obv the 4dps are like spriest,druid , shaman and warlock
specs that just heal themselves or provide group healing via dmg
lofty widget
zmok was doing 24-25s last i checked without a healer
strong forum
last xpac yes, but dunno if he still does it this xpac
jagged pier
u dont want ppl to go too wild without healers cause then tanks will get nerfed
and damage output in keys to the party will go up
sick sentinel
like, if boss only does a bunch of tank busters, and you can dodge them
and then you have monk rogue paladin dps take turns taunt and immune, or dodge it
and then nobody takes damage that cant be healed, pluasible, but highly theoretical
distant crystal
oh yeah what's the tech for reverse hirja
do you only need to time it right the first time then it just kinda works out?
vocal trail
Scroll up, someone linked the vid not toooo long ago.
sick sentinel
no idea on reverse hyrja bud
vocal trail
But yes its just about timing it right.
distant crystal
so looks like it's just at the beginning then
rain kestrel
How the hell do you tank Liu on TJS +23 Tyranicall man, boss is fckn demonic
Not even double wall seems to be enough
lofty widget
pins
lofty widget
how many hits are you taking?
limpid anchor
Better heal
heady gyro
Need to have a good healer
limpid anchor
And better dps
rain kestrel
sadge
rain kestrel
lusting p2 helps, but then u dont get it for last boss usually
tropic tangle
don't get it for last boss if you chain wipe to liu
vital oak
I've only done 20 but imo 3rd is scarier and more deserving of lust than last.
dusky canopy
If you take more than like 6 jade serpent kicks you’re pretty much going to die
Dps gotta pump
My highest is 21 tyr so my perspective is a little different
languid light
Is there anything funny with threat on mythic Terros? Progressing with a new guild, and I pulled threat from the DH co-tank three times at pretty much the exact same time, 1:14 in the fight. I did quite a bit more damage, is it just that? Wipes 13, 16 18 here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JZrcPRwNfLC2MhaF
dusky canopy
No my co tank can’t hold threat from me on pull either
I’m usually ripping from him mid fight too because I’m doubling his damage
languid light
I did the pull, he taunted after 2 lines, then I got threat back shortly before his second line
also a DH?
languid light
do I just have to hold back? Be in def stance when not tanking? 🤔
jagged pier
no he should play better but also dont see how your ripping threat your not doing much more than him
languid light
in the window between his taunt and my ripping I do 160%-200% of his damage between the three pulls
dusky canopy
The DS, Ava, SC, SS during opener is pretty potent threat generation, especially if your SS Crits for 200k+
languid light
so that seems like the most likely explanation, but if there's another one I'm happy to hear!
vernal vale
do I just have to hold back? Be in def stance when not tanking? 🤔
He should taunt again if you rip. Lots of tanks seem to forget that.
dusky canopy
Yep ^
vernal vale
Don't play worse just to cover your other tank. Tell then to hit thier taunt.
languid light
will do, thanks. First night tanking with that group, and apparently he was used to ripping threat from the previous co-tank. Might just not be used to having to work for threat.
bold turret
How the hell do you tank Liu on TJS +23 Tyranicall man, boss is fckn demonic
On my 23 we had a dps taunt and got one bombed when I ran out of stuff then bres’d
distant crystal
can you parry jade strike :hmm:
lofty widget
nop
distant crystal
so i guess taunt + netherwalk is the only way to have a dps take it w/o dying
rain kestrel
On my 23 we had a dps taunt and got one bombed when I ran out of stuff then bres...
i love it
dark lark
Pally can bubble taunt as well
distant crystal
oh right
rain kestrel
maybe a dk can tank a hit aswell ?
distant crystal
kinda forgor ret exists :p
dark lark
Hpal too
vital oak
I wonder if AMS would save a dk.
distant crystal
doubt
as hard as it blasts tanks i can't imagine anything but the biggest DRs saving a dps
vital oak
My next question is to wonder if there's a range? Can you jump away on the cast?
bold turret
No don’t think so
rain kestrel
I wonder if AMS would save a dk.
I think dk can tank it with AMS and death strike
bold turret
They can also health pot + health stone to remove/help remove the dot
rotund cliff
so i guess taunt + netherwalk is the only way to have a dps take it w/o dying
Dh can taunt meta immune the hit
noble loom
question for my fellow prot warriors. I have a 405 crafted weapon, should i craft that to 418 or upgrade a cutlass that has hast/vers/avoidance? Also, trinket wise, should i upgrade a whetstone to 411 or use that valor on the weapon?
bold turret
Dh can taunt meta immune the hit
Expect they are using meta as dps CD in the phase
bold turret
question for my fellow prot warriors. I have a 405 crafted weapon, should i craf...
Craft 418 wep is it will be better than 415 regardless of avoidance. Upgrade whetstone 🙂
noble loom
Craft 418 wep is it will be better than 415 regardless of avoidance. Upgrade whe...
Thank you patty! Would you say a 411 unstable arcane loop crit/haste/avoidance is worth using over the Seal ring that gives shield buff? or is shield buff too op even if its a normal ring and not heroic
dawn canyon
I wonder if AMS would save a dk.
it does
lime urchin
Thank you patty! Would you say a 411 unstable arcane loop crit/haste/avoidance i...
what is this shield buff you are talking about and how much does it increase your dps?
noble loom
what is this shield buff you are talking about and how much does it increase you...
Seal of filial duty
and none just a fat absorb haha
bold turret
The cobalt ring?
amber siren
Use your highest ilvl ring/whatever is simming higher
The shield isn't that important
bold turret
Sorry it’s a sim angle I think, don’t worry about the shield / defensive angle
noble loom
got it, thank you.
wind hare
I wonder if AMS would save a dk.
MAYBE with their 30% DR defensive and AMS they might take a hit. I kinda doubt it though
timber wasp
Hey guys Im new to prot
Sidearm is only doing like 1% of my dps, will this grow or can I replace it with another talent?
orchid frigate
btw umbruskul sometimes just chop me down and i feel theres not much i can do
topaz leaf
You can spell reflect dragon strike or whatever it is called
orchid frigate
mhm just feels that sometimes they are casted pretty frequent together?
rugged mural
btw umbruskul sometimes just chop me down and i feel theres not much i can do
You can SR almost all Dragon Strikes. Don’t let the scrubby bubbles touch you
tropic tangle
Sidearm is only doing like 1% of my dps, will this grow or can I replace it with...
like ST? just checked my last few dungeons and it was right around 2% overall in each
rough egret
If you dont have SR use wall/LS
topaz leaf
Use thundering to move
timber wasp
rugged mural
mhm just feels that sometimes they are casted pretty frequent together?
Use it early on the first one. It’s super awkward but sometimes she’ll start casting Dragon Strike and the phase. Watch for those and don’t waste CDs
timber wasp
Thats overall
tropic tangle
on like 1 ST fight or something?
timber wasp
No, overall
timber wasp
its timewalking
tropic tangle
I mean, there's a reason people take it
if there was a better damage per point, you'd see something else recommended
timber wasp
I feel like min maxing your dps only really matters in high keys though right?
Better to have some utility when youre learning
tropic tangle
I'd argue it's less important to have the utility in low keys you can steamroll
Not sure what utility you're really picking up for that point either
rugged mural
Disagree. Low keys (10-16) you have to hard carry as a tank. DPS just faceroll. DPS start actually helping higher keys
timber wasp
Not gonna be steamrolling if Im 360 ilv and new to tanking
tropic tangle
you're getting too into the weeds man
atomic onyx
Hey i have a question about talent for protection, battering ram is it good?
tropic tangle
if you're 360 and new to tanking, stop worrying about sidearm as a talent point
tropic tangle
start worrying about learning how to play the class / spec
jagged pier
they are wrong
atomic onyx
and im curios now, wanna see my talents?
jagged pier
i mean i can
atomic onyx
timber wasp
I just wanted to see if i could take the heroic leap talent to help with mobility
tropic tangle
you can take it without dropping sidearm
jagged pier
I just wanted to see if i could take the heroic leap talent to help with mobilit...
i mean u should have that as well
tropic tangle
going to take a guess that you're running Pain and Gain
jagged pier
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUkRVQQpFRRBANVUVE...
not great talents but not the worst ive seen
tropic tangle
which you can easily drop for Bounding Stride
jagged pier
i mean u can have all 3
timber wasp
Not according to icy veins
tropic tangle
true
sick sentinel
take a point from bolster
atomic onyx
not great talents but not the worst ive seen
i had diffrent talents, went like this to be more tanky
jagged pier
i had diffrent talents, went like this to be more tanky
i mean thats not more tank build but ok
timber wasp
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-mythic-plus-tips this is what im following
atomic onyx
i mean thats not more tank build but ok
can i see your talents?
sick sentinel
you also want show of force
jagged pier
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-mythic-plus-tips this ...
yer so u can drop honed reflexes
sick sentinel
becuase of how thunderclap works
tropic tangle
yeah, honed reflexes is a pretty poor point
jagged pier
can i see your talents?
i mean i just use best build imo in pins exepct i dont use titanic throw
honed is a tiny increase in ST
in m+ it does pretty much nothing
timber wasp
ok ty
rugged mural
I’ve been taking Honed Reflexes for CoS so I can solo kick all the Charging Stations. Dumb call? If not, anywhere else this works?
jagged pier
i mean
tropic tangle
You can solo kick charging station without it?
jagged pier
your group should be able to cover it
jagged pier
You can solo kick charging station without it?
not always
tropic tangle
hmmm, I've never had an issue catching them
rugged mural
hmmm, I've never had an issue catching them
Any chance you run Concussive Blows? I think they both take 1s off the CD
Yes, the group should be able to cover it. In my 16-20 pugs, success has been very mixed when I try to trust others
distant crystal
it's a p long cast i'd imagine kicking early then kicking late would cover 2
and then you can't hit the 3rd?
amber siren
charging station and suppress are basically polar opposite in the casting order, station is first
you can always kick it
sick sentinel
i wonder what causes so many players to use barbaric training
orchid frigate
guess that were all barbarians at heart
subtle sparrow
Day 2 of it being impossible to do Azure Vault in time. Healer left mid pull because the party leader didn't give me leader. We were at second boss with 22 minutes left
Not sure why he wanted that
tropic tangle
Any chance you run Concussive Blows? I think they both take 1s off the CD
nope, Sidearm
wicked hazel
Day 2 of it being impossible to do Azure Vault in time. Healer left mid pull bec...
Probably has macros to heal certain party number leader being the group position he has macrod
distant crystal
or just muscle memory babysitting the top name in party frames
i always give tank lead when a key starts for the rogues/hunters anyhow
noble wyvern
Did you know warriors has 2 stances? Im at 2600 rio atm and I havent used anyone of them so far. Its funny in a sad way 😄
amber siren
tropic tangle
for a while I was just switching from defensive to nothing
rather than def to battle 😦
rough egret
😄
modest grove
Better enchant for chest piece? Sustained strength or waking stats?
limber fable
did they change vex to not need to let a ball through anymore?
lofty widget
Better enchant for chest piece? Sustained strength or waking stats?
stats
umbral owl
they fix hyrja swap?
last drum
Hey guys, im new to tank and protection warrior. Any Must Have Addons? 🙂
jagged pier
nope
dusky canopy
Hey guys, im new to tank and protection warrior. Any Must Have Addons? 🙂
Plater is definitely a nice addon to have for tanking
slow harbor
weakauras for IP/SB tracking helps
dusky canopy
they fix hyrja swap?
I couldn’t get it to work last night
Pulled hyrja to the right spot until 4ish seconds then leaped over to lightning side and it didn’t swap the abilities like it used too
distant crystal
damn you MDI
wild kayak
Are we taking Barbaric training now-a-days or no? And also - are w taking Bloodborne? or is it punish always?
slim dove
No and no. Punish always.
wild kayak
Barbaric ever in raid? I've been taking it for everything almost. Or is it a no go for both?
Both meaning m+ and raid
jagged pier
bad in both
modest grove
Guys would you turn a Helm of Reverent Loyalty into a casque of walking mountain? How actually important is to have the tier set bonuses?
This is my gear
wild kayak
@modest grove i thought the general consensus is 2pc is real good and 4pc is ok. But most wars are still running 4pc
toxic gyro
4pc is great in m+
cloud umbra
i dont see a reason not to wear it
noble wyvern
Liu Flameheart in TJS, how?
cloud umbra
there is a sample in the pins
cloud umbra
write out your cds to cover 4-5 hits.. spell block covers 2 of them
lusty tiger
noble wyvern
write out your cds to cover 4-5 hits.. spell block covers 2 of them
Evoker can take away the bleeds = optimal healingclass I guess?
cloud umbra
they can't take away the debuff from liu
but ya they are nice to have on crawth and 2nd boss ruby
noble wyvern
oh..
cloud umbra
so liu could look something like this 1 - wall + reflect + iv 2 - Spell block + demo 3 - Spell block + reflect + iv 4 - wall + last stand to heal 5 - healer CD + rally + reflect + healthpot
wild kayak
is this only green phase?
wild kayak
70-30 is stuff of nightmares
cloud umbra
you can reflect first and 3rd on first phase.. and IV the 2nd hit
wild kayak
u gotta inclode healthpot in the rotation somewhere
slim dove
death strike go brrrr
wild kayak
healthpot is goated AF on that boss
cloud umbra
i did on #5 there but this isnt my rotation.. just made it off the top
mine uses healer CDS since im in discord with them
so i can have extra when they dont have much, and use less when they are stacked
just remember you can reflect every other one and IV every other one. And swap to d stance for the hit
thin glade
I must be some kind of retard, what is "iv"
thin glade
I still think of it as victory rush, even when talented for impending victory
cloud umbra
same
but ya IV is goated on that boss too
IV + healthpot can almost clear the debuff haha
slim dove
because frankly outside of 3 bosses we are.
1st boss sbg on high tyr is a bit spooky but you can manage her shit easy enough
cloud umbra
evoker to me makes that TJS fight real easy. Time dilate is amazing. Then when i go in with a druid, it feels like im slowly ticking to my death
1st boss SBG on higher keys makes you feel weak .. ESP after the moon phase haha
toxic gyro
evoker to me makes that TJS fight real easy. Time dilate is amazing. Then when i...
I play with Druid and fight is easy
cloud umbra
you come back and she double deathspikes you
when reflect isnt quite up yet
I heal on a druid, and that is a weaker fight for a druid. They dont have the insta heals that a evoker or other healers have
toxic gyro
Nourish heals for 150-250k. No idea what are you talking about lol
slim dove
rather not get gonked by voidslash being weird or deathspike double hitting because multi-dollar company
cloud umbra
ya i mean what are you sacrificing like 2% to take it? It's worth for 23+ tyran
toxic gyro
I don’t remember what she drops for it, but it makes fight way easier.
cloud umbra
she might be one of the only druids playing nourish. Maybe that makes that one fight easier? But IDK what to drop to take it
nourish was used in 2% of keys as a druid on warcraftlogs
cloud umbra
i can see it would be better for that fight.. since you need a rapid heal, but do you respec for last boss?
toxic gyro
She doesn’t
slim dove
its sbg, really the first boss should be the only threat.
cloud umbra
what level keys is this
slim dove
last boss is free unless your team is room temp iq and touches poop.
toxic gyro
22
dull vine
whats the bests dgs trinket at all? scale and blazebinder?
fallow nova
Whetstone is a lot of damage
bold olive
whats the bests dgs trinket at all? scale and blazebinder?
Only recently got whetstone, and can confirm: it ucksf.
near steppe
Thanks
ionic fern
You're welcome.
deep sluice
how you deal with piercing shard in azure vault cast by crystal fury 5 stack hurts aas fuck
scenic mural
The casts should be grting stopped
deep sluice
by a stun
scenic mural
Stun fear etc
deep sluice
cool
scenic mural
If youre playing the whelp pulls and group is letting them free cast theyre just trolling you
deep sluice
ya i do the skip and some time i have time to get 4-5 stack this litteraly kill me
i have shockwave and war stomp but hen this is on cd i can't do anything else and with pug it's not always easy XD
scenic mural
You also have intimdating shout and can stormbolt one of em, you can handle say 4/5 stacks on tyr week, i had a group that let me get to 8 and wonder why i died
deep sluice
yeah sometime im too agressif XD
scenic mural
Yeah i finally decided to just skip the second whelp pull and just play 1 and 3, bc people just dont have stops and kicks bound
deep sluice
XD
fallow nova
Interrupts do zero DPS, duh 😎
rain kestrel
@jagged pier sorry to annoy you, but saw you discussing this earlier; besides doing more dmg, whats the advantage of crit over vers ? Does it generate more rage wheb u crit ?
cinder storm
Crit gang = 
Vers gang = 
jagged pier
crit in a m+ is defensively our best stat cause parry over a dungeon stops alot of damage
and u can parry certain mechanics
scenic mural
Just parry all 4 searing blows
jagged pier
theoretically possible
scenic mural
I think i parried like 4 consecutive casts of severing slash in AA which felt like a lottery win
topaz leaf
Yeah i finally decided to just skip the second whelp pull and just play 1 and 3,...
Whelp pull after first boss is toxic af.
Need to reset stacks at some point or you die
Can you outrange their shard thingies?
topaz leaf
Sadge
opaque burrow
Just wondering, what's the average DPS that Prot Warriors are holding?
subtle sparrow
Just wondering, what's the average DPS that Prot Warriors are holding?
Dungeon or raid, what ilvl?
opaque burrow
Dungeon or raid, what ilvl?
Both, and 402 ilvl
paper nexus
So I kinda wanna be geared for both arms and prot but I made my lariat haste vers. If I understand correctly crit over versa is fine anyways?
slim dove
yes, crit over versa is fine
cloud umbra
Depends on the pull sizes
paper nexus
Why would it depend on pull sizes?
opaque burrow
Damn. I gotta figure out why my DPS is so low, because I think I'm holding like 27k.
cloud umbra
I was responding to the one asking about dps
frank saddle
Can you outrange their shard thingies?
you can line them on the pillars on the side wall. it is turbo ass to do but very possible. the LOS works the the big crystal’s circle explosion as well
lime urchin
Damn. I gotta figure out why my DPS is so low, because I think I'm holding like ...
Log your runs, post them here and you will be helped improving your dps. But it’s most likely you are not pressing enough buttons!
opaque burrow
Log your runs, post them here and you will be helped improving your dps. But it’...
I've been meaning to! I gotta figure it out, because I feel I can do better.
subtle sparrow
The skeletons in SBG, does Void Slash hit dps if you out range it or only if the DPS are in front of the skeleton?
frank saddle
The skeletons in SBG, does Void Slash hit dps if you out range it or only if the...
outrange before they start casting and they wont cast. If you outrange after the cast start it can hit ppl i think . i saw someone tried to knock them away to stop ( it doesnt) and they got killed for it
amber siren
it's a few yards, not quite stutter steppable but enough to run out and kite them
doesn't cleave or anything
definitely not a fervent strike
bold merlin
Hey guys, what should my crafting order for gear be?
shield
lariat, weapon
something with a flavour pocket
whatever you want
timber wasp
Both wep and shield?
bold merlin
unless you have a decent alternative
timber wasp
I have no alternatives rn but I was thinking of doing m0s first
But lariat would be a good first craft
timber wasp
Sure, sounds good thanks
I normally put flavour pocket on ring but im wary of the incoming ring next patch
bold merlin
could just put it on a weapon or shield
only way you're replacing it is with 421 stuff
sick sentinel
Trying to get KSM on every class
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KHbvrsdpw4 me after doing 1 ksm this season looking at mythic +
pale rock
Why is every damnd group i run across today rushing me, how do i get group to agjust to my pace? Im new to tanking so id like to do smaller pulls just be save
tropic tangle
you should probably give them a disclaimer before the key starts if you don't wanna be rushed
most people assume tanks are going to be setting a decent pace and know the dungeons at this point
not sure if you're doing this, but I'd reco running your own key and putting it in the key listing
that way people maybe have that expectation before signing up + they aren't worried about you bricking their key
lusty tiger
Why is every damnd group i run across today rushing me, how do i get group to ag...
You’ve been saying this for 3 weeks now dawg
It’s time to drink some coffee before runs
timber wasp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KHbvrsdpw4 me after doing 1 ksm this season loo...
Lmao
Once youve done one KSM, doing it again is pretty easy
wanton lance
what would you run if you have the choice, this ring with socket but without leech, or leech but without socket?
timber wasp
Imagine having the choice..
wanton lance
it comes out to 2% leech
tropic tangle
socket is probably stronger overall, but you could also eventually add a socket to the leech one
tropic tangle
then again, not 421, so like if you drop that as 421 in vault it would be better than either
pale rock
You’ve been saying this for 3 weeks now dawg
Limited play time so and no my system tends have a abundace oif caffeine i just like to play games at a slower pace
cinder storm
Why is every damnd group i run across today rushing me, how do i get group to ag...
You are doing the opposite, start pulling bigger until you learn firsthand you can't and shouldn't
pale rock
I did in the last dungeon did and felt sorry for the person that was trying to learn healer
cinder storm
But, did they learn?
pale rock
sadly no must have been maxed out learn resistance
cinder storm
Thing is, if you are always pulling small, you will end up making some packs more dangerous than they should be due to then living longer
You can get by, by only tracking dps CDs and when they are off CD you pull big
Then when you start getting a feel of how long a pack lasts, you can either pull even more or chain something else
wheat flicker
Mort, are you doing M+ content?
pale rock
no
cinder storm
If I were to dps a key and a tank flat out says they will do safe pulls, I'll just thank for the inv and dip out
wheat flicker
The content is probably too easy. They want big pulls because they're not there to learn, they are there to finish some quest or leveling requirement quickly.
You won't learn much in that content, either - it's not representative of the real dangers you'd face as a tank
tropic tangle
truth
lusty tiger
Maybe mort doesn’t know how to pull big yet
Like mr mort on a big pull you want the 2-3 packs to converge on you more or less at the same time
You can position in between them before to help with that
Alternatively if there isn’t good positioning for that you can:
Charge>tclap> heroic leap onto the next pack> revenge/tclap>ravager where they converge
wheat flicker
nice place to practice grouping - HoV first 2 or 3 packs! you've got some casters in there, some distance between packs
In M+ it's expected to pull those first 2 or 3 groups together.
sick sentinel
one thing im a bit surprised on with rogues in MDI is far as i can tell there was no like, rogue carry group for outlaw spec with strike twice sinister strike doubling and amplifying things, bladefury, and then they were at one point saying "yeah rogue is terrible"
pale rock
M plus with random groups at my current skill level would be a hindrance to the group and well poison to my nerves and im like 353 so i cant even do raids yet
wheat flicker
Makes sense, Mort, but if that's the case, then you're still at the level where WQ can be guaranteed upgrades in slots
as well as several currency /rep upgrades
pale rock
Maybe i shouldnt try to so many things at once learning a tank while also trying to Learn sub rogue and Ele shamy
wheat flicker
Alt-a-holic!
tropic tangle
Whatever is fun for you I say
tropic tangle
it just doesn't sound like you have fun tanking is all lol
pale rock
My most played class is still Rogue after that probably Hunter and DK
tropic tangle
also, if your other characters are around the same ilvl / experience, I think you'd gain alot by picking one and trying to progress in that role first
cinder storm
If you play as dps as well, what pulls do you like and when do you usually have CDs?
If you know the answer to that try doing those pulls as a tank to favor other classes
wheat flicker
"Arcade games? Pick out one that you can do, ok? One that you can do as opposed to a bunch of them that you don't know what the hell you're doing"
G.I. Jooooooooe
tropic tangle
lol
sick sentinel
"Arcade games? Pick out one that you can do, ok? One that you can do as opposed ...
i can do megaman 3 on gameboy, the white ish brick one, without dying
does that cou nt
wheat flicker
@sick sentinel https://youtu.be/ogEtfIdgjpY?t=269
^ 2000s internet as a teenager gold
sick sentinel
i can't think of an arcade game i can beat
unless you count those ones with the guns attached, absolutely can beat those
cinder storm
There was this girl at my old job, short and bis stats weight, we went to an arcade one day and she demolished the terminator game, I m bad at those but she was carrying me
lusty tiger
bis stats weight?
lusty tiger
ive never talked to 3d girls sorry
slow harbor
is there a site to compare IO rating from different keys, like see what IO you get from a timed 13 TJS vs an untimed 15 SBG kinda thing?
balmy pawn
So, Bloodmallet shows that 418 Darkmoon Dance with Jetscale is very good for us… is it actually or is that an error? Anyone using it?
cinder storm
So, Bloodmallet shows that 418 Darkmoon Dance with Jetscale is very good for us…...
It's a bait
cinder storm
is there a site to compare IO rating from different keys, like see what IO you g...
I've always thought about that, maybe there's an addon that does it
lusty tiger
I believe the high rank on bloodmallet assumes the best possible card drawn
balmy pawn
I believe the high rank on bloodmallet assumes the best possible card drawn
Isn’t that the point of Jetscale Sigil? That it stops shuffling when you draw the Ace?
lusty tiger
idk
pale rock
i could craft a purple shield once i get the mats might be wroth it im blacksmithing and mining
lusty tiger
i could craft a purple shield once i get the mats might be wroth it im blacksmit...
work order one for the best ilvl result
lusty tiger
how do people usually do Red + Blue in Razzy HC?
red + blue?
lusty tiger
oog
craggy pilot
square cross
craggy pilot
how many stacks?
lusty tiger
all on each
craggy pilot
so you just have 2 grps?
lusty tiger
yes
lusty tiger
dont run over opposite mark
will take a few tries
1 tick isnt an insta wipe tho
*one tick outside the groups
we pre spread for the phase that assigns the signs
basically we call:
- spread for sparks
- spread for signs -> balls out tornadoes in
- circles run back everyone else up
then in between those we are stacking on tornado stack spot for the wing buffet things
"balls out" makes it really easy to remember lol
crystal mauve
Anyone could help me figure what to do vs 2nd boss RLP23 tyra? I die with shield wall/IP stacked in 3.3sec ...
I'm in def stance for this boss as well
lusty tiger
Anyone could help me figure what to do vs 2nd boss RLP23 tyra? I die with shield...
did u sr the inferno?
crystal mauve
I gess I didn't this time
lusty tiger
u may have also taken a back swing
rugged mural
You can reflect/deflect inferno? Or just the 20% DR?
lusty tiger
20% dr
crystal mauve
You can reflect/deflect inferno? Or just the 20% DR?
20% DR
crystal mauve
u may have also taken a back swing
Pretty sure I didn't I wasn't even moving and the melee hit for 40k which is reasonable for a tyanical 23 boss
lusty tiger
Pretty sure I didn't I wasn't even moving and the melee hit for 40k which is rea...
ye seems pretty reasonable just wasnt sure
vernal lake
did you IV?
lusty tiger
also health pot
crystal mauve
Both were on CD at that time
lusty tiger
vernal lake
you should be able to IV every tank mechanic
lusty tiger
23 tyr she slaps no doubt
lusty tiger
icon/whetstone
zinc shale
Isnt deco good anymore? its like that trinket in SL we used the entire exp
blood something
gave shield
lusty tiger
we didnt use that the whole xpac
zinc shale
except s4 😄
cloud umbra
It’s ok, but I think it’s only decent if you press it on CD instead of waiting for tankbusters
crystal mauve
23 tyr she slaps no doubt
Yeah, I had some rage stacked for backup double ignore pain but I got absolutely destroyed in 3.3sec... I'm not sure how people do 24/25 there... If anyone has a POV feel free to send it
lusty tiger
those 3 were bis since they came out
lusty tiger
Yeah, I had some rage stacked for backup double ignore pain but I got absolutely...
i dont even do keys that high yet maybe nome or jakey know
heavy glen
What’s your thoughts on hatchling vs, the flame trinket from the raid for RLP? Sorry for not being specific
zinc shale
well they came out S3 right? And became free from S4 system, but the blood one was probably still one of the best?
lusty tiger
well they came out S3 right? And became free from S4 system, but the blood one w...
s2
dark lark
I haven't seen a single situation where I've needed to use a defensive trinket yet
lusty tiger
I haven't seen a single situation where I've needed to use a defensive trinket y...
there are none
dark lark
We have too much shit covered with our base talents
cloud umbra
Dwarf + evoker really make that fight almost zero mechanics. Idk how others do it
sick sentinel
double wall and prayge i guyess
lusty tiger
i believe in my heart some top warrior in here can make a case of not needing to be a dwarf for that boss on a very high key
i cannot
daring marlin
100% needs to be removed in later seasons
? We probably won't be seeing any of the current old dungeons again.
ivory widget
Go crit and parry
lusty tiger
Go crit and parry
full parry gems
crystal mauve
Dwarf + evoker really make that fight almost zero mechanics. Idk how others do i...
I guess I'm race changing for RLP then :/
cloud umbra
It’s sad but the 23 I just did I felt absolutely nothing on that boss haha
cloud umbra
Evoker cauterize first . Dwarf second. Cauterize third. Wall dilate 4th lol
sick sentinel
? We probably won't be seeing any of the current old dungeons again.
thank god in case of sbg, that key is too much overly free
more that freehold even
heavy glen
Sbg going away next season
dark lark
SBG is free but its fucking boring
crystal mauve
Evoker cauterize first . Dwarf second. Cauterize third. Wall dilate 4th lol
Yeah... I have druid or priest as healers and I'm the supperior race, Vulpera
Doesn't work as well :/
sick sentinel
worm boss it doesn't even matter if you don't do mechanics, nothing at all happens, only scary thing little bit is the wave of adds
line of them
dark lark
Voidwalker boss does nothing and the worm boss you just chase around for 4 minutes
sick sentinel
it', what it is, is that, they should update the mechanics first next time
lusty tiger
once u kill the ads
Zzz
prayge the ranged drop the jizz pools in melee range of the boss
daring marlin
vulpera 
cloud umbra
The most frustrating thing about worm boss is thunderclap and revenge needing to be 1 yard away to actually hit
daring marlin
100%
lusty tiger
The most frustrating thing about worm boss is thunderclap and revenge needing to...
i thought that was fixed
cloud umbra
No it goes into the wind
lusty tiger
💀
uneven ice
Hi! I was wondering if sidearms is a worthy talent and if there's any alternatives better
cloud umbra
It’s toxic
lusty tiger
Hi! I was wondering if sidearms is a worthy talent and if there's any alternativ...
yea most go sidearm for m+
lusty tiger
how low?
uneven ice
i'ts not better to go with concussives for M+?
lusty tiger
whats that?
uneven ice
given the amount of interrupts?
The other option in sidearms node
Pummel reduced by 1sec and 5% more dmg on interrupted enemies
tender imp
sidearm does more dmg overall
cloud umbra
No 1 sec is really nothing
tropic tangle
if you really want 1 sec reduction on pummel you can grab honed reflexes
but wouldn't really take that either in M+
lusty tiger
which isnt great because you should never incur the full CD of SS
uneven ice
I was thinking also in getting pain and gain instead of sidearm
lusty tiger
never
tropic tangle
nah
lusty tiger
when ur blocking w ip up whatr you going to heal?
when ur dying it isnt going to save u either
tropic tangle
I ran it for a little, it was also like 50% overheal most keys
so cut that benefit in half
amber siren
you can't control when the heal procs, so it'll usually just heal meaningless damage
lusty tiger
it is alright on some raid fight where u have more talent flexibility and the healers may be busy or you may be across the room fucking w mechanics
uneven ice
So sidearms or barbaric training, huh?
lusty tiger
jesus
uneven ice
uneven ice
ahahahahahaha
amber siren
not barbaric
warm plinth
NO
uneven ice
yeah, yeah, was a pun
warm plinth
wheat flicker
Dadou are you running some of the port tree deep defensive talents?
uneven ice
Other question: how the shitty fuck echo pulled all mobs on TJS before 3rd boss
daring marlin
giga dam
uneven ice
two packs slap my face on the ground usually
warm plinth
If you think about it, that pull isn't actually much more dangerous than the last pull of the dungeon other than more small dudes blowing up
daring marlin
pop them personals baby
uneven ice
And looking at MDI, i've seen that kiting is a thing
I got yelled at by DPS for moving too much
lusty tiger
u should only be kiting when appropriate
daring marlin
bad dps
lusty tiger
not haphazardly
wheat flicker
Tora did you see naowh circling the bears?!
last mason
can u get sparks as a bonus from reg wq rewards or only if its listed as the initial reward
uneven ice
i mean, how you survive last pull on TJS without running like a chicken when SB and SW are down?
uneven ice
Tora did you see naowh circling the bears?!
O wow
daring marlin
spellblock good
uneven ice
beautiful
lusty tiger
i mean, how you survive last pull on TJS without running like a chicken when SB ...
sr
lusty tiger
ROP, ursol, die
tropic tangle
getting the dark claws lined up is massively helpful
lusty tiger
one thing i also noticed is they killed the small sha spawns that explode at a particular time
disciplined prio targeting
tropic tangle
gotta put them all in combat simultaneously, or pre-emptively use an AoE stop to line them up
tropic tangle
you can get a WA that tracks when dangerous abilities become available on the mob nameplates
uneven ice
IS not like we all kick the same guy at the same time xd
uneven ice
you can get a WA that tracks when dangerous abilities become available on the mo...
Got it, i get all Naowh ui and tweaked
Massive improvement for me
I'm a happy user of 94% SB uptime consistetly
tropic tangle
so you'd have to AoE stop before the first one casts if they're desynced on pull
uneven ice
With CS?
lusty tiger
I'm a happy user of 94% SB uptime consistetly
yea but what %hits blocked?
uneven ice
Have to check
tropic tangle
shockwave or w/e, and the stun needs to be long enough for the others to come off CD, then they should all have the ability up and synced
uneven ice
But now I’m doing +18 without being turbo crashed, so I’m doing better for sure
tropic tangle
then you can rotate Spell Reflect with AoE stops and do big dam
craggy pilot
if im looking at a log, and im trying to figure out how someone died (tank) is there a specific way i can see how they died, what they had up, and what they had ready? 🤔
jagged pier
go to deaths and click on the death
craggy pilot
go to deaths and click on the death
yea i would have to inspect each death seperately?
grave flower
Yo. I’m having an absolute brain fart. IV stands for?
craggy pilot
Yo. I’m having an absolute brain fart. IV stands for?
impending victory
grave flower
Jesus. Thanks. I always call it victory rush In my head from way back.
lusty tiger
Good name
grave flower
Thanks.
sick sentinel
Anyone know of any WA that tells you when to move hryja to do the bugged side switch?
jagged pier
yea i would have to inspect each death seperately?
well each death is different
cunning quest
anyone senarth mythic kills can you intervene the suffocating webs off the other person?
cunning quest
i thought i got it to work but cant garentee thats what happened
craggy pilot
well each death is different
blocked hits should be near 100% in raid right?
as PWar
prisma crane
its easier to hit 100% in raid than M+ and it's basically doable in M+
craggy pilot
its easier to hit 100% in raid than M+ and it's basically doable in M+
yea is what i thought ty
jagged pier
blocked hits should be near 100% in raid right?
pretty much yer
prisma crane
that said, in raid you tend to take talents that make it easier to not get to 100% but playing smart allows you to account for this with the time you're not actively tanking
craggy pilot
trying to teach my guild tank to play PWar, and hes using the luxthos PWar package
jagged pier
i dont know what that is
craggy pilot
i personally dont really like it since the SB timer is tiny, and the IP timer is giga
jagged pier
and why dont u just tank it
craggy pilot
and why dont u just tank it
cus im only there 50% of the time 😄
they dont want swapping tanks, so im flex
the yellow being IP, and the tiny tiny blue bar with no duration or anything is SB
daring marlin
You sure about that?
SB is the icon. I was under the impression the blue bar was swing timer.
verbal ledge
Is there a detailed prot warrior guide for each mythic plus dungeon. I'm getting into 20s and want to know the ins and outs of each boss
craggy pilot
the Icon shows the Duration yes lol didnt know that :d
but the timer is 100% the SB duration also
daring marlin
Got it. I guess when it's arms the white bar is swing timer. I use Quazii's for prot tbh.
Been experimenting with different ones
prisma crane
if i had to guess
that blue bar is the tier bonus
i've seen someone use something that looked like that before
craggy pilot
that blue bar is the tier bonus
im telling you its SB
and you dont believe 😄
i just did it on the dummy
and its SB
prisma crane
yea someone changed that shit then cuz i've only see that for tier bonus
craggy pilot
that "someone" is probably luxthos then
prisma crane
fwiw it's fine though, hardly even have to track SB with how easy it is to keep uptime now
craggy pilot
i think the one youre thinking of with timer for Tier, is Nomeraturs package
prisma crane
could be
timber wasp
Hey guys what should our second embelishment be?
mighty valley
What's your first + do you raid
timber wasp
Lariat, will be raiding a little bit
frank dust
is double wall better on brood or
mighty valley
They're all pretty close, frostfire belt is best in case you ever get the rare raid rings
craggy pilot
is it bad to suggest my PWar guildie to play HR + ED + Bolster + Shield Charge at the same time? 😄
slim dove
yes
mighty valley
bolster is absolutely over the top
ember tangle
HR + bolster are usually mutually exclusive because you overcap on shield block
mighty valley
with hr + ed + bulwark you can brainlessly mash shield block and never drop it
craggy pilot
with hr + ed + bulwark you can brainlessly mash shield block and never drop it
i know
but he is still on ~85% blocked only
ember tangle
there is a deeper problem than bolster will fix then
mighty valley
then having another active button to press for shield block is not gonna save him
he's either forgetting to press it entirely or turning his back
chilly brook
but he is still on ~85% blocked only
In fairness I’ve seen people with yellow names with about that
Not gonna say who
Although really it’s because getting hit in back no other reason
frank dust
craggy pilot
Can I just press sheiks block twice and be good for 13 seconds?
yes
frank dust
idk im new to this spec idk what to run
craggy pilot
it stacks
craggy pilot
idk im new to this spec idk what to run
i would probably do this
if youre tanking boss
ur spec tree looks ok
idk if theres anything for Spell Block on Broodkeeper though
craggy pilot
Seems to easy for it to stack
wdym?
craggy pilot
yes
we got very easy Shield Block management in this expansion
they gave us 4 Shield Block talents
pallid quiver
as compared to needing a band-aid to even function well 🙂
craggy pilot
ye Reprisal :>
craggy pilot
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hBmzgvyWCVQFAR4a/
if anyone wants to look and give some PWar pointers (not me, but will forward them if theyre not too mean 😄 )
mainly the deaths
craggy pilot
Woho NO20 timed 😄
gz bro
lost canyon
anyone who has tanked the boss on Broodkeeper Mythic?
Not sure if I should go for ravager or not
craggy pilot
dont think there is anything other to pick than ravager?
tribal cliff
When tanking, is there any harm in popping both shield block cd's and shield charge?
spark moon
Guys what wrist are better for m+? Difficult wrist protectors 418 or Goldsteel Bindings with socket 415?
craggy pilot
When tanking, is there any harm in popping both shield block cd's and shield cha...
not a lot no
just make sure you track your SB duration, and know how much you can do before you overcap
2x block + Shield Charge is 100%
so if you Shield Slam right after, you overcapped 1 sec SB
tribal cliff
ah ok, what's the highest duration it can go to?
craggy pilot
Guys what wrist are better for m+? Difficult wrist protectors 418 or Goldsteel ...
for dmg or utility?
for dmg just sim it
for utility it depends on if you need the CR
spark moon
I hardly ever use them for cr because mobs are on me constantly
tribal cliff
Oh wait no i see what you mean
So it'd be better to shield charge, shield block, wait a few seconds then pop the other charge
craggy pilot
ah ok, what's the highest duration it can go to?
i think its 2x Duration + extra if you have Shield Charge / Bolster
craggy pilot
So it'd be better to shield charge, shield block, wait a few seconds then pop th...
yes
craggy pilot
i believe max is 24 seconds if you have Bulwark + ED
tribal cliff
I assume you need a specific talent build for it?
craggy pilot
and how you pull
tribal cliff
Ah ok, cheers 🙂
craggy pilot
Bulwark + ED + HR will give you 100% SB if you play "decently"
Bulwark + ED + Bolster + ITF can also give you 100% SB, but a bit harder than if you have HR
tribal cliff
What are both ED and HR? (Still leveling)
craggy pilot
Enduring Defenses (talent)
Heavy Repercussion (talent)
mighty valley
If you don't have basically 100% blocked hits with bulwark, ED, and HR, you should look at how you're playing since you don't have to do anything out of the ordinary for it
tribal cliff
Two last questions, in situations where I'm generating rage faster than I could spend it on revenge, just dump on Ignore Pain, even if the absorbs at or near the cap?
And do you still want to keep SB uptime when you have shield wall up, or do you use that time to let charges refresh?
pallid quiver
i think its 2x Duration + extra if you have Shield Charge / Bolster
It's not quite extra with SC since Shield Charge SB duration will be eaten by the cap
Meanehile, Bolster duration is extra because it can go past the cap
pallid quiver
Two last questions, in situations where I'm generating rage faster than I could ...
Yeah, full send rage into IP to avoid capping rage
warm plinth
Two last questions, in situations where I'm generating rage faster than I could ...
First question, yes. We don't care if IP is capped. You use it to dump rage.
Second question, yes, you still use SB during wall.
tribal cliff
Okay, figured that'd be the case because of anger management, thanks 🙂
frank dust
waht dungeons do you run spell block in if ur a little undergeared
pallid quiver
Two last questions, in situations where I'm generating rage faster than I could ...
If in active combat with the correct talents, you have 100% SB uptime, so yes
frank dust
for like 19's and 20's
warm plinth
You should be running Enduring Defenses and Heavy Repercussions so shield block uptime should not be a concern.
craggy pilot
It's not quite extra with SC since Shield Charge SB duration will be eaten by th...
? im pretty sure without Bulwark its 2x SB duration, with bulwark its 3x SB Duration
with Bolster its +10 seconds
pallid quiver
You can have SC+Bolster
pallid quiver
^^^
tribal cliff
Cheers guys!
craggy pilot
It's 3x SB duration regardless.
is it 3x SB duration even without Bulwark?
warm plinth
Yes
pallid quiver
waht dungeons do you run spell block in if ur a little undergeared
The same as if you're geared, so like RLP, Temple are the main two