^^
#protection
warped pond
slim dove
how mad are you
strong forum
yeah okay if youre not gonna be reasonable
timber forge
lol that guy is very mad
warped pond
let people talk shit
slim dove
yeah we are
strong forum
then we can handle this another way
slim dove
let people talk shit
why are 9 of your dps parsing gray?
toxic pewter
Wat I miss 
warped pond
joke of a fucking class discord
strong forum
right, you didnt bring any arguments
mortal brook
If i can handle 12 stacks. Should i tho. Is that good behavior or something. Should i dunk on the tank smort enough to swap on 4 lol
jagged pier
DONT AGREE WITH ME SO IM GUNAA SAY THIS PLACE IS SHIT
strong forum
yeah.. good dps can do that
jagged pier
and not take in advice
slim dove
lets dps parse on prog
thats a great excuse for your 416 ww monk doing 44k dps
jagged pier
like my tank did
slim dove
meanwhile your prot war tank did 40k
slim dove
or your feral doing 49k
feral drift
thats a great excuse for your 416 ww monk doing 44k dps
I main MW and even I can put that out in WW ๐
warped pond
sorry but tank focusing on dps instead of living is sad
slim dove
i did 49k as fury at 390 ilvl lmao
strong forum
and just want to throw insults
slim dove
sorry but tank focusing on dps instead of living is sad
oh great you dont know how prot war functions
jagged pier
sorry but tank focusing on dps instead of living is sad
he did focus on living hence the low stacks
strong forum
then feel free to leave or youll be made to leave
strong forum
but youre acting like a child
jagged pier
for just aoe healing the tank
mortal brook
My man cant tell the diff between gray performance and playing well so idk how youd expect them to understand tanking
jagged pier
and when he actually adjusted to make things smooth say hes bad
slim dove
gonna be awfully funny when they wipe on dathea for the rest of the tier
jagged pier
nah high stacks is fine
warped pond
ya, as he let the other tank get 8+stacks
slim dove
i still want to know why 9 of your dps are parsing gray
warped pond
he played every single fight in a manner to get the highest dps parse possible. thats all he talked about
slim dove
without the excuse of "its prog"
warped pond
got forbid he plays defensive
slim dove
funny how he did
strong forum
there is no defensive play
warped pond
and then he comes in here and talks like we were the problem
strong forum
youre stuck in classic
warped pond
LOL
slim dove
^^
strong forum
playing offensively well, is being defensive
jagged pier
i mean he has the defensive build
timber forge
warrior its not about defensive play Aro
strong forum
he played the optimal build after i suggested it
slim dove
he could blow every ounce of rage on IP and it wouldnt matter
strong forum
idk what you want
jagged pier
slim dove
because your healers refuse to heal him
strong forum
"defensive talent builds" dont exist
jagged pier
BSV nome
strong forum
lets pick a bugged talent that doesnt work
jagged pier
and wont save him anyway
sweet summit
jagged pier
and it pretty meh if it did work
strong forum
from the logs i checked, most of the time he died, was when half the raid was already dead, but like you said i only know half of the story
strong forum
and how else could i, i checked his play, his played seemed fine
mortal brook
Just say I don't know how the class works take the l and move on
strong forum
idk what else you want me to tell you
what i checked, he died after half the raid was dead
mortal brook
Don't know how a positive feedback loop works where the offensive rotation matches defensive quality
warped pond
the screenshot I just sent was deaths in the first 3 of all Sennarth pulls
he was second.
mortal brook
Incredible, very telling
warped pond
I dont care about after 5
jagged pier
no nome u dont know how to read logs
feral drift
I dont care about after 5
โ
strong forum
across all pulls, he was around mid tier death%
1 of your BM hunters was wildly high
dead for half of all raid fights
warped pond
and he was sat
slim dove
@warped pond can we just talk about how your healers basically never sent him a direct heal
and how you're surprised he's dying?
timber forge
^
jagged pier
thats not part of the full picture
strong forum
i can have another look at his early deaths if you want
strong forum
see what went wrong there
slim dove
ohhh right thats half the story or something
strong forum
if theres anything to rectify
ionic fern
@warped pond , you were given feedback.
If you refuse to listen to it then that's on you.
Stop going around and around with this.
warped pond
then dont let people talk shit about my team
sick sentinel
a bunch of insanity devolved here and it wasn't yogi's fault? blasphemy
warped pond
thats the ONLY reason im here
strong forum
i was the one talking shit
slim dove
strong forum
but the p2 pulls i checked
he wasnt the issue at those
i didnt check every single menial baby pull
sick sentinel
dude, people are going to talk shit regardless, i understand being defensive against it just
have to have thick skin ignore it
slim dove
have to have thick skin ignore it
no no he needs to defend his 4/8 guilds honor
warped pond
i didnt check every single menial baby pull
those are the ones he was the issue in. we wiped numerous times because he couldnt live to p2
jagged pier
evoker actually heals bdk but no warrior
warped pond
so looking at only p2 does nothing.
slim dove
those are the ones he was the issue in. we wiped numerous times because he could...
because you dont heal him.
can you please understand this
strong forum
those are the most progressed fights, so i look at those
i aint gonna check 75 pulls
to find out whats up
ionic fern
those are the ones he was the issue in. we wiped numerous times because he could...
It's not only the TANKS fault. There's a whole team there that needs to do their job.
strong forum
cant expect that for mere help
native sleet
how do you heal falling to her pull?
warped pond
XD
ionic fern
Anyways, seeing as this is not going anywhere productive i'd advise you to stop this or i'll just mute for starters. ๐
sick sentinel
so looking at only p2 does nothing.
my best advice is to log off for 12-24 hours and just think about it for a minute or 2
only a game, why we haff to be mad
warped pond
im only mad because he's in here starting shit because he's mad he got booted
jagged pier
how do you heal falling to her pull?
thats somthing I told him was bad but wasnt always why he died
mortal brook
then dont let people talk shit about my team
from what youve said here you (and or your team) seems to believe that
- tanks doing a good rotation (which yields good damage) means their survival goes down
-taunting sooner at lower stacks is bad
-performance at gray level is fine
-tanks should get zero direct heals?
so idk what to tell you other than they deserve to be shittalked
slim dove
im only mad because he's in here starting shit because he's mad he got booted
hasn't said shit since he got booted.
mortal brook
^^
warped pond
hasn't said shit since he got booted.
literally as in here 2 days ago popping off
jagged pier
even tho is wasnt
slim dove
literally as in here 2 days ago popping off
you looeked back that far? yikes
bro its a game
people talk shit
warped pond
you looeked back that far? yikes
I was sent screenshots.
slim dove
go outside
sick sentinel
just take a hot minute to distance your self from everything that just happened so you can look back on it
timber forge
looks like a prank 
toxic pewter
U guys watchin mdi
slim dove
now im curious who sent you screenshots lmao
slim dove
U guys watchin mdi
watching the same dps comp do the same pulls in every group? nah
strong forum
what does it matter
slim dove
boring
strong forum
dont go stirring up shit
warped pond
dont start shit
toxic pewter
watching the same dps comp do the same pulls in every group? nah
Yeah I canโt deny I would like to see more variety
jagged pier
maybe the fury warrior with the same name
slim dove
dont start shit
im not
slim dove
Yeah I canโt deny I would like to see more variety
feral/uhdk/sp every fucking team
strong forum
why do people complain about mdi comps again
mortal brook
thinking anyone elses' performance is above reproach is certainly a take, btw
strong forum
itll always be the same comp
slim dove
rsham doing 60k dps passively with acid rain
sweet summit
oh no teams are playing optimal comp!!!
slim dove
why do people complain about mdi comps again
its just boring
sweet summit
waaaa
strong forum
what do you expect
dawn canyon
oh no teams are playing optimal comp!!!
wdym they are literally playing a mage
slim dove
nothing
dawn canyon
they are inting
strong forum
somebody to play something worse for the sake of it?
dawn canyon
slim dove
thats why i dont watch it
toxic pewter
I saw some locks too
strong forum
for my case, i dont care about matches that arent echo
slim dove
yeah i do watch echo
strong forum
cuz most of them feel like "weekly no leaver" keys
slim dove
cuz they do some insane shit
feral drift
I was happy to see a brood master ๐
sweet summit
wdym they are literally playing a mage
i heard fire mage is hidden turbo broken 
slim dove
but watching everyone else is like watching echo, but they're drunk
toxic pewter
I saw a dwarf warlock play as a Vulpera. Finally some Vulpera love
cinder storm
the issue with MDI being mirror matches of the same key level is boring, at least we now have tgp
dawn canyon
i heard fire mage is hidden turbo broken <:ratge:890357732543168594>
ngl both mages we saw so far ran shit builds and items so SURELY its their fault
but also buff mage
sick sentinel
cuz most of them feel like "weekly no leaver" keys
The Hosetown Express Deluxe bus service!
sweet summit
but also buff mage
shut up
sick sentinel
1 way trip
sweet summit
then it's fine
dawn canyon
ok cool 
sweet summit
cinder storm
Buff hunters armor
dawn canyon
also team
lone eagle
just give hunters 20% bonus vers scaling
cinder storm
I've yet to meet a healer looking forward to healing a hunter
sweet summit
whats ur take on lepan running a puzzlebox
based
plush tendon
its the only trinket he had
sweet summit
skissue
plush tendon
slim dove
idk how theyd fix hunter rn
strong forum
ayo you gave me an idea
when you press boon, you should get a 20% DR
best tank trinket
jagged pier
huge
cinder storm
proceeds to die to seeds 
mortal brook
cuz you're standing your ground, right
cinder storm
Healers adapt
slim dove
a passive 10-15% magic dmg dr seems fine
cinder storm
Why becoming a wind elemental makes you still affected by ground effects?
toxic pewter
Echo vs sloth best of 5 starting now
strong forum
you mean 3 games of echo
dawn canyon
mdi is io for me
sick sentinel
dawn canyon
unfort
sick sentinel
that looks like a really really gross key
strong forum
gross key + you gotta go fast
slim dove
should be fun to see what crazy shit echo does
1st room into 2nd whelps + all lashers and trees?
sick sentinel
oh god no, that key i showed is happening
fallow beacon
Anyone know if chilling tantrum (broodlord frost dragon add channel) is blockable with spell block?
jagged pier
it is not
fallow beacon
ty
jagged pier
thats really not a w00t
strong forum
cheater exposed
grave flower
undone verge
change of scenery at least
that sounds nice, dathea wind shit getting pretty stale
strong forum
dathea 2nd hardest boss of the tier
dont @ me
kurog and broodkeeper are just pure dps/heal checks
undone verge
our raid night last night got cut short by an hour and 40 minutes because we got combat bugged and couldnt re-enter the instance
strong forum
multi-dollar company
undone verge
real
sick sentinel
muilti penny company
tidal relic
dathea 2nd hardest boss of the tier
By wipe count accross all logs? How long did it take you guys?
strong forum
By wipe count accross all logs? How long did it take you guys?
going by most top guilds, itll only be worse for lower guilds
most guilds spent 5x as many pulls on dathea as the took on diurna
dathea ~100 pulls
diurna ~20-25
brittle willow
Hi guys, I'm new to war tank
I would like to now how do you choose which stance to use
strong forum
kurog is a ~10 pull boss for higher ranked guilds
dawn canyon
how many did it take you
slim dove
^
progging mythic terros with dps that dont understand a completely scripted encounter
tepid raptor
idk if its better than my all-totem
slim dove
for m+, its not
dire matrix
GZ i was there pagman! <:peepo:938582175522107442>
big boss tank pog
craggy pilot
sims make it look good
wdym hereยด?
i have quite similar uptime to sims on my enha shaman ๐ค
usually like 16-17% uptime
on bosses
craggy pilot
people in shaman disc saying its bad too ๐
but i dont rly understand why
the uptime seems decent, for a high stat proc
when trained
pulsar trellis
I did 48k dps in a 16 is that good?
pulsar trellis
AA
sand pebble
very dependant on key run, pull size
echo scarab
why are there literally no +20 SBG groups
all watching mdi
pulsar trellis
406
round pendant
Yeah it's fine
pulsar trellis
cool ty
sand pebble
did your tank pull the entire tree room and you popped off at 300k dps?
round pendant
I think he is the tank
sand pebble
lol thought i was in arms chat! yeah its decent dps ๐
echo scarab
sand pebble
as a 415 pwar in aa im averaging 60-70k dps
sand pebble
16 aa when i was 399 ilvl, your dps is on point
round pendant
Yeah but if @pulsar trellis's dps was from details, it'll be significantly lower on wcl
wheat latch
Hey guys, can anyone help me, I saw many VODs where prot warrs actually "Spell Block" imps fireballs in CoS and they also dmg them back. For some reason, i pull the imp pack in CoS, wait them to start casting the fireballs and i use Spell Block and I die... Is it a bug/rework or whats happening?
round pendant
Did you have shield block up?
lean zephyr
i dunno if spell block does that, but spell reflect does
round pendant
yes
Spell block just allows you to block spells
shield block gives you 100% block chance
wheat latch
omg... the tooltip says only : You are able to block spells for 20 sec.
wheat latch
so i assumed u press the it and it works by itself without Shield block
round pendant
It's a common mistake lol
sand pebble
you shouldf have sb up anyway
wheat latch
yea i just deducted it from the VODs which i seen.... didnt notice they got shield block up as well
sand pebble
sb increases shield slam damage by 30%
wheat latch
yy i always keep shield block up. but in this scenario, where u afk, waiting for imp pat to come... u just charge, get aggro with clap and wait their cast
and obviously i didnt press shield block for imps ๐
thank u guys so much! i feel so stupid (but im tanking 12 days only now - still learning)
sand pebble
charge > shockwave (syncing all of their next casts) > spell reflect (reflecting all fireballs in the same gcd)
wheat latch
oh u can actually double reflect it? i mean - charge + Spell reflection? even tho its like 10x fireball???
round pendant
I wanna do that strat but my dps always jump in so I have to cc
wheat latch
i thought Spell reflection is only for 1 cast ๐ฎ
round pendant
Yeah spell reflect will reflect everything that's on the same tick or whatever
slim dove
itll reflect all spells cast in that batch.
if they all cast in the same batch, it reflects them all.
wheat latch
wow ! didnt know
slim dove
gl getting pugs to not engage before they start casting
wheat latch
i rlly thought it ll choose only 1 fireball out of the 10
subtle sparrow
No, no. Spending 6 minutes on the worm boss because he dives all the time is great fun
limpid anchor
Pumped for S2. Some of these dungeons are so zzz.
Yea so hyped for halls
cursive needle
Pumped for S2. Some of these dungeons are so zzz.
When S 2?
undone verge
early summer most likely
early/mid June is my prediction
hoping for late June so I got more time to get CE and get my alts ready
delicate bear
cinder storm
Itf raid hr keys
warm plinth
Hey guys, can anyone help me, I saw many VODs where prot warrs actually "Spell B...
Should probably know that Spell Block and Spell Reflection are not the same spell. The one people use on imps is Spell Reflection.
sour olive
Is there any scenario in raid tanking where you would not maintain shield block and use ignore pain more, just checking some logs and wondering if it's a tank issue or if there's some build/strat I don't know about, thanks!
warm plinth
If there's any situation where you need to IP more, you would sacrifice revenge casts, not Shield Block casts.
sour olive
Ty, I thought there's something wrong but didn't want to call out just in case since I'm not playing warrior much.
cinder storm
Should probably know that Spell Block and Spell Reflection are not the same spel...
I might have thought early on that spell block worked as a 20s spell reflect with block integrated
fun times
warm plinth
cinder storm
reading is hard
warm plinth
I do think it's fairly reasonable for the newbies to expect spell block to block on its own
It could probably be more clear on that point lol
slim dove
s1 really is sleeper
the df dungeons are fine
halls/sbg/cos/tjs are ass
idk why tf we couldn't get all 8 df dungeons to start ๐คท
warm plinth
Don't worry, we get all the shitty DF dungeons next season
slim dove
id rather brackenhide last boss bend me over then do sbg one more time
or ulda last boss on tyr weeks 
warm plinth
Brackenhide and Halls are gonna be awful from start to finish (especially Halls). But I'm also concerned about what non-DF dungeons we're going to get.
warm plinth
Imagine if they did some bullshit like Seat and Skyreach in the same season
slim dove
yeah no thanks
ocean yoke
stormstout brewery gonna ook us in the dooker
warm plinth
TJS is actually like the only pandaria dungeon I don't hate outright though
So I'm glad they chose that one first
slim dove
maw of souls + freehold + stormstout + everbloom
bronze lake
does anyone have a prot weakaura profile they like alot?
warm plinth
The only other semi-tolerable one is brewery
warm plinth
That wouldn't be a terrible one, though they'd have to adjust Maw a lot
All the Legion dungeons will need a lot of adjustments on bosses to be digestible in the current game
Can't just pet taunt Ymiron anymore after all lol
wooden widget
hey how can i see my seismic reverb dmg on details?
is it good?
i see
i cannot move it
even if it sucks
dang
rain light
give me darkheart thicket s2
daring marlin
gimme scarlet monastery
daring marlin
Mogu'shan could be fun
rain light
too bad all the df dungeons for s2 are awful
sick sentinel
only if it can drop the asmongold sword, but not for asmon
rain light
not one I can say I enjoyed
daring marlin
inb4 they end up being fun af
rain light
that one tree boss in bracken is fun though
rain light
df halls is just too much walking
cinder storm
halls is just the first three packs and the adds after frogger
round pendant
Aight
I'm done with m+
I managed 2284 rating but every attempt to get a +17 or 18 timed is just full of people doing 50k overall
and dying repeatedly
priest died to the arcane orb from second boss on AV
when he was across the room
sick sentinel
monitor not plugged in
daring marlin
big brain rogue
sick sentinel
i got 5 days left on sub and im at big dilema what to do now
sick sentinel
i might stick around, i might not
round pendant
Every single mage I've invited has been trash
strong forum
If you want to keep your sanity pugging, avoid casters
sick sentinel
warlock at least has curses that stops the monsters from doing the bad things and it can give healthstones
strong forum
You need to be really good at casters in m+ to shine
daring marlin
If you want to keep your sanity pugging, avoid casters
FUCKING PREACH
strong forum
And good casters are much rarer than almost tolerable melees
round pendant
and like, I look at next week and the week afters affixes
I give up, man
I just wanted 2500
round pendant
Yeah I've noticed that with casters
strong forum
Little by little you'll get more
sick sentinel
melee will always win the dps meters cuz they also have auto attacks
that can't be said for caster
strong forum
Eh, it's moreso they can just move while attacking
And everything is instant
It doesn't have to be timed
sick sentinel
but casters can fuck off into never land to deal with a take the circle out of the group mechanic, so that is the reason invite them when i do
round pendant
I got so annoyed at that dude just standing there as the arcane orb flew towards him
that it gave me a headache
lmfao I need a break
daring marlin
Just do what I used to when I played League
Two bad games? I'm goin' for a walk lol
sick sentinel
ice mage is incredible on bolstering weeks and spiteful
stupid over powered in that scenario
round pendant
Idk how to avoid people doing absolute potato dps though
sick sentinel
im sure its not on purpose
strong forum
You'll always find people doing potato dps
Hell even my friends are losing to me in keys
slim dove
the trick is to invite classes that borderline can't be shit
fury wars press 4 CDs and then roll face
round pendant
I've had fury warriors with 10 ilvls on me do less dps than me
daring marlin
When pugging I like to see how many keys people have done at X level or w/e
sick sentinel
i just do the responsible thing and invite a lust and a battle rez and a second out of combat rez and 2/1 balance of melee and caster either way
i will never run a key without lust, personally
round pendant
Hell even my friends are losing to me in keys
Relatable, but I convinced one of them to get good and now he does like 70k overall in every dungeon
which is decent at 405 ilvl I think
warm plinth
In pugs that's probably a safe choice for sure
round pendant
unholy is op tho
sick sentinel
or, i don't want to
warm plinth
(not running without lust)
warm plinth
sick sentinel
even drums im not big on, i like mage, shaman, evoker for lust
cuz i know they can just hit 1 button
round pendant
I think cr is the most important, in that AV 2 people died on 2nd boss and it took way too long to finish it off (prob should have wiped but the run back is brutal I think?)
warm plinth
I still think drums should be bumped back to 25%
daring marlin
I hate evokers
daring marlin
I still think drums should be bumped back to 25%
Yup.
I have had nothing but bad luck with evokers
It's hilarious
sick sentinel
drums should be 25% and equal to real lust if you are LW with drum proffesion talents
warm plinth
I had two dps evokers in a 17 TJS the other day I was doing just for some valor. Both fo them were spamming the shit out of azure strike on 2nd boss
so many immunes
round pendant
All this makes me want to go play dps so I don't have to get self conscious about my performance
dps life is so braindead
pump big numbers, interrupt, win
I'm literally tanking and saving people from themselves constantly
and then when you get a good group who pumps it's nice and chill
But most of the time I'm just getting mad at how long the pack is taking to die, how no one is interrupting and I've just CC'd the mobs 30 times
daring marlin
Then you have the problem of not getting invites!
round pendant
Yeah I was about to say
warm plinth
The bar for DPS is actually so low
daring marlin
DPS Warrior pug life tbh
warm plinth
Kicking on CD is like automatic 70% percentile
hidden ether
For AA tree boss adds, does there agro table start when they pop up or when they become hostile?
warm plinth
When they become hostile
warm plinth
Slimes?
round pendant
AA, not AV
warm plinth
XD
warm plinth
yeah
pine trout
Why are warriors still using frostfire belt over the preparation legs? Seems like legs give much higher dps increase
Just lucked out with a spark to fix some bad pvp decisions, and trying to decide between Belt, Legs, or something else
warm plinth
Because the preparation legs are shit
Also, frostfire belt is used to activate the raid rings; it's our only consistent source of fire damage.
pine trout
I guess I can buy the second answer for rings, but legs alone are like a full 1% higher dps on sim
warm plinth
On what sim
pine trout
Dungeon slice ๐
round pendant
Should I swap to potion-stained cloak (and spend 1.2k valor to upgrade it to 411) or just upgrade my vers/mast cloak from 405->411
pine trout
Word
warm plinth
Should I swap to potion-stained cloak (and spend 1.2k valor to upgrade it to 411...
I'd swap and upgrade personally
Uncapped valor now and it's a low cost slot. Easy choice for me
sick sentinel
dps life is so braindead
round pendant
Maybe I could spam +2 Halls or something
and try to get the goldscar pelt
crit/haste, then just upgrade that to 411
warm plinth
Yeah you got like a 1 in 1802091283 chance
round pendant
I need like 3k valor to upgrade my legs too tho
if I don't get it, potion-stained it is
sick sentinel
this picture
round pendant
but HoV quite slow ig
sick sentinel
is why i don't do keys with 3 melee
it never ever works out in a pug
something ALWAYS goes wrong with only melee
pine trout
Thanks for the help friendo
warm plinth
Yeah it has the longest timer this season by a lot
Next highest is AV I think at 34 mins
reef sequoia
Yo my prot warrior tank in my group was having trouble dealing with the stacking DoT on Academy's tree boss. Is there anything he can do about it?
warm plinth
Oh is it 43?
sick sentinel
healer issue mostly but you need someone with cleanse poision
round pendant
Yo my prot warrior tank in my group was having trouble dealing with the stacking...
Get a poison dispel, or just shield wall + spam IP
reef sequoia
healer issue mostly but you need someone with cleanse poision
Well we had a resto shaman, and they had poison cleanse totem. But it wasn't clearing their DoT.
round pendant
lmao
warm plinth
Yeah, in 10.0.7 it'll remove the entire thing but right now it's 1 stack.
reef sequoia
Fucking useless spell then ๐คฃ๐
sick sentinel
they have to cleanse as well, its not so bad
sick sentinel
that boss is EZ mode with dk with slappy hands in party
reef sequoia
Okay, so is that boss just generally tough as Prot because of the dot?
reef sequoia
It was just an 18 ๐ญ
sick sentinel
yes, because, most likely, what is occuring, is the adds on second cast aren't ideally grouped in a tiny clump
warm plinth
Well I'd say if you're dying to it, it's a relevant key level ๐
sick sentinel
so the dps cant kill them fast enough
reef sequoia
Hmm we're obliterating the adds, mostly anyway (fire mage stonks), but he was dying after the fact haha
sick sentinel
you can wall the poison too
reef sequoia
Yeah might just have to do that then
I remember warriors might have gotten a cure-all talent in their class tree. Did that ever make it to live?
warm plinth
I remember warriors might have gotten a cure-all talent in their class tree. Did...
Yes but we don't ever take it. It's too long of a CD to be up for every lasher phase anyway.
round pendant
Then pray the adds die before you get too many stacks
warm plinth
Like the strategy is to just invite a poison dispel and make sure they know what it is and when to use it. There's no reason to make the fight harder than it needs to be.
reef sequoia
Yes but we don't ever take it. It's too long of a CD to be up for every lasher ...
Yeah fair.
reef sequoia
Like the strategy is to just invite a poison dispel and make sure they know what...
Yah it was just a casual friends group and the only one we had who could do it was the rsham ๐คฃ Maybe I should have brought my evoker instead of mage.
warm plinth
Honestly kinda salty that they didn't do the poison cleanse totem thing as a hotfix
Instead of holding off til .0.7
reef sequoia
Fr fr
sick sentinel
The adds have to be packed tightly together
having and effect similiar to spear of bastion (druid has one) good idea
round pendant
I kinda wish shockwave and spear were more viable
they're cool spells
shockwaves extra talents, that is
not shockwave itself
warm plinth
Yah it was just a casual friends group and the only one we had who could do it w...
Are you frost mage?
reef sequoia
Hmm.. we had.. fire mage, frost DK, and BM Hunter. With rsham. Maybe double stun totem into dragon breath into blinding sleet
warm plinth
Yeah that'd be your best bet outside of a poison dispel is just enabling the warrior to maybe kite a bit or just give him a break on building stacks.
reef sequoia
Yeah
warm plinth
They build stacks stupid fast
sick sentinel
I kinda wish shockwave and spear were more viable
it will whenever they blanket nerf all bleeds
reef sequoia
If Frost DK wasn't so talent locked in the class tree I might even suggest DnD snare
sudden palm
Anyone has a good WA for tacking AoE stops that are available in your grp?
sick sentinel
DH, warrior, druid, maybe hunter? all use bleeds, rogues, duh
warm plinth
Yeah hard to justify that as frost
reef sequoia
Mhm
warm plinth
Anyone has a good WA for tacking AoE stops that are available in your grp?
OmniCD
fluid shard
should i just drop sidearm and get uproar in M+?
sick sentinel
how tf i forget rogues with bleeds, but i mean, hunter and rogue was mid on mdi wasnt it?
warm plinth
should i just drop sidearm and get uproar in M+?
No
What are you talking about bleeds for
reef sequoia
how tf i forget rogues with bleeds, but i mean, hunter and rogue was mid on mdi ...
Question is, would you go for the snare or the reduced attack speed for them hahah
sick sentinel
ummmm im not exactly sure what talents you mean by that
sudden palm
OmniCD
I use that for tracking other stuff next to unitframe; I was hoping something separate than the ones that is attached to my party frames which is dedicated to stops; can omnicd have multiple bars?
reef sequoia
I use that for tracking other stuff next to unitframe; I was hoping something se...
It tracks every spell you want it to track from a class. Including stops.
warm plinth
I use that for tracking other stuff next to unitframe; I was hoping something se...
You can do separate bars, yes
Like have damage CDs on one side, stops on the other, that sort of thing
sudden palm
Do you have separate bars like that? May I use your profile if you don't mind?
warm plinth
I don't, sorry. I just track everything in one spot. I can make one for you after I get off work if you are okay with waiting though. I don't get off until like 7 hours from now though
sudden palm
Oh dude no worries I'm not gonna add a chore to your off time ;)
Cheers; I'll find it somewhere <3
warm plinth
Okie dokie
hidden ether
Just had the healer leave at birdboss on 22AA cause he wanted us to go to 5 stacks and the DPS wanted 4
round pendant
That's crinky crongemas
languid light
just got a heroic All-totem, but my mythic Decoration of Flame sims higher. Second trinket is Whetstone. Does All-totem not sim well? Or is Decoration actually better?
warm plinth
Are you simming single target or what?
languid light
yeah, I think I did that, good point
harsh light
Anyone here completed a 24 halls?
slim dove
i wiffed a 23 ๐คท
languid light
yeah, heroic All-totem sims ~1% higher than mythic Deco on 5-boss sim
sterile bough
Anyone here completed a 24 halls?
yep
harsh light
yep
I was blessed with it today, how perfect do you have to run to time it? And what healer or group comp should i look for cause mayn every boss is gonna chunk... except sko
sterile bough
all depends on the route
but timer is good
like dont wipe
and u fine
make sure u have either shamman or priest
and rogue for fenryr
harsh light
Fairly standard, triple, double stairs, double after stairs, double to bottom staira hyrja, double our and blast lady,.... shroud to fen, drag, fen wolves, bears final 4
Shammy is good enough for hyr? I was running with buddy but he was struggling on a 22
Struggling struggling
sterile bough
i meant dps shammy / priest
harsh light
Ah lol
sterile bough
ag/vapmiric
harsh light
Sounds good i have 2 big buddies in those specs
south zealot
bring a rogueeee
harsh light
I have a big rog to bring for sure
Just stuck on what heals best to bring, hpal or druid but haven't seen druid heals in awhile
sterile bough
evoker/druid
harsh light
See if i can find a big druid, should be able to have rog, priest for sure
Rog, priest, esham druid
Sounds like what I'll look for
Thanks
stark garnet
hey guys had a bad day with tjs 3rd boss yesterday 2 times with druid healers in +20.
What can I do better in that 2nd phase for druids?
Ive only started 20s recently and had no problems on that boss the 2 times ive run tyran 20 jades with an evoker healer.
cinder storm
It's a healer tank fight, tell dps to hold CDs and lust until 70% that's when the fight starts
Tell your healer how you are going to rotate CDs and when you need externals
Good luck finding people who listens
cinder storm
hey guys had a bad day with tjs 3rd boss yesterday 2 times with druid healers in...
They also have a talent that their regrowth I think, heals for 200k so you shouldn't be struggling with a decent druid
warm plinth
Yeah, swiftmend>nature's swiftness>regrowth = massive regrowth
stark garnet
I see i'll try some more communication just in case.
How is the talent that gives 2 shield wall or bitter immunity for some heal as well?
cinder storm
Spellblock and aegis are staple for temple, not bitter, the only use for it is AA if you don't have a poison dispel
indigo gulch
415 strike twice or 418 primal molten longsword better?
south zealot
third boss in jade is so much harder for prot warrior than it is for bdk
stark garnet
alright thanks man i'll remember to give aegis a shot next time.
was spending a good hour wondering what I was doing wrong since I did it fine with an evoker.
south zealot
you need something for every punch
plan an external from healer
if its a shaman healer good luck
cinder storm
Don't be afraid to sit on dstance during jade fight
indigo gulch
third boss in jade is so much harder for prot warrior than it is for bdk <:keks:...
total agree. when i tank with my blood dk so much easier
stark garnet
damn I can't find pray to jesus on my bar
Yea I try to stick around for a bit before charging and using impending victory
south zealot
unfortunately theres no religion support in wiw
cinder storm
I align with Alex mommy milkers straza fandom
stark garnet
๐
cinder storm
stark garnet
What addon is that where you organised your cds in game?
warm plinth
Method Raid Tools
warm plinth
Just set a personal note
south zealot
I align with Alex mommy milkers straza fandom
with what
cinder storm
I did crawth 4 pecks on a 22 with bstance on, was fun
warm plinth
I think you and I have a different definition of fun
cinder storm
My disc duo asked me what was going on haha
south zealot
just deathstrike guys
slim dove
tank a 21, im vibin till crawth where im literally trying to dodge fire swirls, thundering swirls, manage every CD and still hanging by the skin of my taint
fr this DKs death strike healed him in 1 cast for 500k
like????
undone verge
G FUCKING G dathea dead bitch never want to do that again
south zealot
death strike is balanced
valid pecan
wat flask do i use?
slim dove
vers or eye of the storm.
warm plinth
G FUCKING G dathea dead bitch never want to do that again
Congrats friend
south zealot
i thought avwrage was like 60
warm plinth
120 pulls doesn't actually seem that bad to me but I have never seriously mythic raided
I was like 3/10 in sanctum but that's about it lol
undone verge
my guild is at like 38 at 60%
38 at 60 is wild
thats doing the first two marks correct
south zealot
never gotten our second group up properly
undone verge
the prog is getting the boss to 35% then its a straight kill
like the boss is doing all 4 platforms then fuck it zug zug dps time
ruby gull
is the 395 world boss trinket Static Charged Scale bait? It's simming better than 415 hoof, dragon games, and toe. Sims are say 415 whetstone and 395 static charged scale but I don't trust them.
Primarily M+ 15-20ish
lavish oracle
tank a 21, im vibin till crawth where im literally trying to dodge fire swirls, ...
just have an evoker healer :4head:
ripe dock
hay guys having a hrad time to understand what my stat weights should be for tanking like running
- 14% crit what i want to be higher (to increase damage and healing also thought staying alive in boss fight isnt a issues)
- 30% haste base ( what i believe that is the start of DR )
- 20% mastery (not sure i really want mastery been trying to drop it out of my gear)
- 20% vers
is there any one that can help me to either give me peace of mind or point me in the right direction moving in to mythic raiding
indigo gulch
415 twice strike or 418 primal molten longsword better. in sim it say that the wtice strike is better
warm plinth
hay guys having a hrad time to understand what my stat weights should be for tan...
There are no stat weights or breakpoints you should be looking at/worrying about. Stat weights are obsolete. And haste loses basically no value going over 30% from rating. 10% DR is nothing.
warm plinth
415 twice strike or 418 primal molten longsword better. in sim it say that the w...
What are you simming, ST? AoE?
ripe dock
There are no stat weights or breakpoints you should be looking at/worrying about...
amazing thanks
indigo gulch
What are you simming, ST? AoE?
the default sim
warm plinth
That doesn't really say anything. The default sim is whatever sim you used last
Can you link it?
warm plinth
Ok single target makes sense
But it's going to be a loss in AoE and a loss defensively even in ST
indigo gulch
how u sim aoe?
urban portal
to be fair its not like the stats on a 1h weapon matter too much
26 secondary stats is like 0.2%
warm plinth
Well, it's the weapon DPS that matters
urban portal
yea
8 WDPS is ~48 ap
not the end of the world
def a DPS down on AOE
but if it costs resources to get it up to 418 then i wouldnt bother
the gain is so marginal
undone verge
are you supposed to taunt swap the add on kurog?
final gust
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YK24BjFGpz7XNhPW#fight=last first 20 in time, tear me apart (ignore first boss death it was stupid)
I'm trying to boost my tier uptime but it makes me feel ragestarved
bold olive
I'm trying to boost my tier uptime but it makes me feel ragestarved
To the point, this is what's making you ragestarved
final gust
toss it, even in m+?
bold olive
Yep. Except for VOTI - Council, I think.
Intim shout is a good pick-up.
And stormbolt.
final gust
I had the wrong talent build so I didn't have stormbolt and inti when I wanted it kekw
bold olive
Ahhh, gotcha.
final gust
but I did use barbaric in the other one too
bold olive
I was waiting for it.
urban portal
pain and gain is no brainer
warm plinth
Bounding Stride
urban portal
both are fine
warm plinth
Pain and Gain is overrated, but you can take it if you want
urban portal
yeah both are preference
bold olive
P&G is really good on paper but you can't control when it happens so it may just be wasted.
I take it over Bounding Stride but I've rethought that recently.
final gust
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n7V3BwvrC1RQf4D9/#fight=last 2nd 20 in time, felt a lot better without barbaric lmao
surreal ember
Overcapping rage. You wasted 800+ in the first log and 1k+ in the 2nd. Need to make sure you dump that into a revenge or IP to feed your anger management loop.
final gust
i've been working on it, but when things get hairy it's the first thing my brain tends to throw out lmao
surreal ember
Practice makes perfect ๐
warm plinth
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n7V3BwvrC1RQf4D9/#fight=last 2nd 20 in time...
โค๏ธ
Where's Whirling Surge though smh
narrow marten
question, as warrior how I can active Diurna's ring? Frostfire belt?
warm plinth
Yes
ionic fern
Yes.
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
warm plinth
Your toon > Damage taken > Hover over the number in the hits column next to melee
oak ivy
ty
warm plinth
Sick!
I kinda want to take some time off soonish but at the same time I've already missed 6 days this year due to illness so I don't wanna blow too much this early
warm plinth
Yeah, especially for the US lol
ionic fern
Courtesy of the employer?
warm plinth
Yeah, we don't have any laws regarding time off I don't think, as far as requiring employers to offer it
ionic fern
warm plinth
They have to do it of their own accord
We start with 4 weeks, then get a day per year up to 5 years, then no increase til 10 years where you get an extra 5 days
And my 10 year anniversary is next July
er
January
ionic fern
Oo, nice.
We also get extra day per year.
I've only worked at this company for 5 years now.
warm plinth
I'm US, but I don't have Presidents' Day off.
Honestly never worked for a company that did
merry trout
is execute worth using?
warm plinth
is execute worth using?
On ST, yes
Yeah 5 weeks (and 1 day technically) is what I get right now.
Or well, 2 days I suppose.
I get 2 "floating holidays" for MLK day and Black Friday
onyx needle
Has anyone else noticed after this latest patch, that their prot warriors are taking a lot more damage
median tulip
No
warm plinth
I didn't even notice the nerfs
onyx needle
Weird then, for I am getting 240-260k hit with shield wall up now which i did not used to have happen.
warm plinth
Hit by what?
onyx needle
Prime example, in Jade Temple, 3rd boss, the Jade Serpent Strike. With shield wall up it was hitting me for an average of 255k, with 60k bleeds
warm plinth
That's pretty out of context. Do you have logs of before/after the patch? What was it hitting for before? What key levels were you doing before/after the nerfs? There's a lot of things that can change the damage being dealt. Stance, using different defensives in conjunction with wall, healer externals
tyr vs fort
onyx needle
I have the raid logs that our guild uses from pre-patch to now, and it is obvious on some fights like Terros and Raz
gleaming seal
raid scaling, devo aura etc
warm plinth
idk. Sounds like feely craft to me tbh. Like if you can show a log of something that's hitting you significantly harder between before/now then sure but it's unlikely that you'd be the only person noticing if it was.
onyx needle
Terros the slam was doing maybe 3-4% health and now it is around 20%, on Raz, the electirc bite (think that is the name, the tank taunt off ability) was doing around 10-15% of health, now it is a good 60-70%.
harsh grail
heyy.. im lookin to craft the elemental lariat but i wasnt sure what stats to put on it. i play mostly fury but i wanna branch into protection.. so i was thinkin haste/vers to cover both bases? thoughts? i think haste/mastery is what people usually run for fury but is vers really bad or will it be fine? thanks im new and dumb
urban portal
Terros the slam was doing maybe 3-4% health and now it is around 20%, on Raz, th...
Ok thatโs a you problem for sure
warm plinth
Yeah that sounds like player error to me lol. There's no shot in hell that there's that much of a difference.
urban portal
And you can just drop the logs
We can review it with similar logs
Especially if itโs raid
warm plinth
heyy.. im lookin to craft the elemental lariat but i wasnt sure what stats to pu...
Haste and anything and you'll be fine for prot
Ideally we want crit/vers but you could put mastery on it and it wouldn't be a huge deal
crit or vers in addition to haste that is
merry trout
hey, since sb duration stacks, i can just use it on cd whenever im in combat right? there is no form of loss?
gleaming seal
don't cap charges and you're fine
merry trout
i just noticed that the duration stacks, i was constantly keeping an eye on its duration, only using the 2nd charge when it was abt to run out -_-
was having a hard time focussing on my pulls haha
guess i can be reckless with its usage
gleaming seal
you should be good to have it up all the time
lucid dew
Is the proc on the brood ring worth taking all that mastery
Vs a crafted haste versa ring
Heroic brood that is
mighty valley
the dps ring is strong, the shield thing is likely better at equal ilvl but wouldn't drop a lot for it
amber siren
You'll just use whatever highest ilvl ring you have is 99% of the time, outside of some damage procs that you can sim for
the shield proc isn't that amazing
signal ivy
Random but maybe someone can help, scimitar works with pc, but doesnt with laptop. any suggestions. out of town for work and wanted to play on laptop
rough egret
Trade chat is not faction wide? ๐ฎ
Guys do you know if a horde player can craft gear for alliance? ๐ i recently swaped to dwarf on high pop horde server..
lofty widget
cloud umbra
just make a horde toon to find someone to craft, then send them the order on alliance
pale rock
My Warrior went from Highmountain Tauren to Undead to Troll
rose flicker
hi i need some help with figuring out how to do the first part of the frog skip in AV
eager phoenix
wdym? after your done with 2nd boss room go back to the ring. then choice is either jump down to 3rd boss ring or the platform where the 2 breakers are near the book
rose flicker
youd pull all the 6 lashers with the 3 crystal fury in the middle this week right? my group would sometimes miss the stun timing on the frontal and id get the dot, it wouldnt hurt the first time round but after 4-5 bolstering id start to yoyo more than im comfortable with. is there any way to mitigate that other than DS, SW, LS , SB and pray as hard as i can?
amber siren
if you're going to be pulling the crystal guys, you should be running spell block too
craggy pilot
you have fear + shockwave yourself
and if you are not confident in your groups stuns, i wouldnt do the frog skip at all
eager phoenix
first thing is not bolster them to shit as you already are aware, but knockups and fear and incap are good to rotate after 3 stuns are used
you can also just do 6 lashers then the 3 furys. slower, sure. but you aint bricking the key cus you did that
craggy pilot
anything over 2 Fury at the same time, you need to know your grps can handle the stuns
eager phoenix
i tried a 22. asked the boys if they had what it took to do 6 lasher + 3 furies, not bolster the furies to shit and nail the stops. left 1st room with 11 deaths.
ionic fern
youd pull all the 6 lashers with the 3 crystal fury in the middle this week righ...
That's the pull where i keep Shield Charge as a Stun.
So you can Shockwave/Storm Bolt/ Shield Charge / Shout.
If they are still alive (or bolstered to hell)
Then you start LoS'ing.
You go out -> Wait for them to start casting -> LoS , cast doesn't do anything.
Go out again, wait for cast -> LoS.
Rinse and repeat until dead.
In the first pull i do 6 lashers + 3 furies.
Charge in.
Do the initial stops on Furies, by this time the lashers are dead and Furies have 6 bolsters..leap out to where the portal is and LoS there until they finish off furies.
Only place where you can't LoS furies are the platforms..but there it's usually 2 furies max and that's more or less chill.
Unless they get stun DR'ed to oblivion.
near steppe
Hello guys. Im looking for some help. Im at 400 ilvl sitting around 25~28k overall dps on dungeons and I think is kind of low. Battle stance could help? I almost dont use it
ionic fern
You should always be in Battle Stance.
Defensive stance isn't needed in the majority of situations.
Even on 23+ keys i only swap to defensive stance in some specific scenarios like Hyrja blast etc.
Why your DPS is low?
More than like because you are not pressing your buttons enough.
Hit CD's on CD (Ravager/Thunderous Roar/SC/Avatar/DS)
Use your priority rotation properly
SS->TC->Revenge/IP to dump rage.
dark lark
How much is spell block mitigating? Is it the same amount that I would block physical attacks for? And does it work on all magic damage, including aoe and pulsing rot damage?
sweet summit
not dots etc. works like regular block (but no upper limit on crit block(?))
sr sheet has spell block stuff
rough egret
Dod my first 20ty ๐ AV
All good but last boss..
Damn blobs
I ran of abilities to rekovr slow :/
sweet summit
last boss av is so insanely turbo cringe
ionic fern
2nd is just "stay stacked, move together".
rough egret
Yeah ideally
ionic fern
Last is just : pull to corner.
Leap/Intervene/Charge.
Recently i've noticed that i've only had to really move once the boss reaches about 30% HP.
Before that it's w/e.
rough egret
I used stoneform, avatar, leap but man the blobs were on speed
ionic fern
Charge to Crystals.
Leap
Intervene to allies.
๐คท
Get dispelled by healer.
You SR the strike anyways.
rough egret
Yeah it was not boss dmg that killed me ๐
Next try healer got caught
And on 4th we killed
daring bay
Hello, does anyone have a good video for how to do the hyrja light/lightning mechanic swap cheese?
amber siren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJclDKbpG6s probably the most used one right now
orchid frigate
so what do you guys choose in AA, haste or vers?
amber siren
haste
ionic fern
Crit.
amber siren
orchid frigate
hehe
marsh marlin
Crit.
brittle silo
I used stoneform, avatar, leap but man the blobs were on speed
If you dont get hit by them 10x miasma is the exact speed of blob. They wont reach you if you move proactively
marsh marlin
Using rubywhelpshell + inc icon, so haste vers ok
brittle silo
You SR the strike anyways.
Pretty sure u cant SR every strike. If u get 2 strikes in 1 'shard window' u cant reflect two of them
ionic fern
Check strike timer, cast it ~2s before the cast starts.
rough egret
^^
marsh marlin
Check strike timer, cast it ~2s before the cast starts.
U need to check boss health
ionic fern
You need to check both.
marsh marlin
Bcs u can use SR and boss will drop shards instead of using her strike
brittle silo
Check strike timer, cast it ~2s before the cast starts.
Ye, will work
rough egret
Hmm that i didnt noticed, at what% he phase?
brittle silo
75/50/25
sick sentinel
silly question, on bird boss of AA does spell blocking the peck tankbuster help?
jagged pier
no
ionic fern
silly question, on bird boss of AA does spell blocking the peck tankbuster help?
Physical damage + bleed.
sick sentinel
you cant even normal block it iirc
sick sentinel
its more like you deal with bleed dmg best you can and then just dont stand in the fire
the bleed brings tank down enough to be 1 shot by fire and you cant block it it anyway, best is dwarf and or evoker
marsh marlin
the bleed brings tank down enough to be 1 shot by fire and you cant block it it ...
My evokers in 23 keys which didnt use they bleed cure
brittle silo
My evokers in 23 keys which didnt use they bleed cure
Was saving for the next key. Dont flame
marsh marlin
Love pugs
tame jasper
should have taken 2xshield wall
No need for double SW. Its bait
orchid frigate
oh? was told it was needed
tame jasper
No
orchid frigate
guess i need to be better at plan CDs
just a bit much going on with both screech and bleed ๐
tame jasper
I try to do most with IP and use cds for crucial situations later in the fight (depends on the dps in grp ofc). In genersl I take one SW early so healer can do other things and have it up as a save when in fire+wind phase. Maybe a bit ego but works well so far (21 tyra highest AA intime yet, not tried a 22)
tame jasper
just a bit much going on with both screech and bleed ๐
They switch and not overlap
Use rally for 3rd/4th (depending what healer told you before fight) big screech
ionic fern
Screech is magical and you can SR each of them.
23+ on tyrannical you ALWAYS want to have something up for the bleed.
brittle silo
I try to do most with IP and use cds for crucial situations later in the fight (...
The fight start to get hectic for a healer the deeper you go into a fight. Thats why i take double SW so i pop 1 at the start and get it back for double back-to-back if needed or just some later.
orchid frigate
thanks for the tips guys
brittle silo
1 wall is just not enough for me that fight. Especially once u get both fire and winds. Healers tend to loose focus there so they mighr not top you. Same goes for myself
ionic fern
Good thing you got other tools like trinkets/healer externals/LS/IV/DS
If the fight is short enough the double SW can be handy.
But if it's of any higher key level you will get less SW out than you would with Impenetrable.
brittle silo
Ofc. Im not saying double is best way. Just saying how I find it comfortable to tank. Not feeling too confident with 1 wall. Especially over 3min mark
lucid pasture
Crawth on +24 is goated
brittle silo
If the fight is short enough the double SW can be handy.
But if it's of any high...
Ye. Impen gives you more walls. I just rather drop 'more walls' during short span on that boss. Which is over 3min mark.
Tho I might have to try impen that boss someday
orchid frigate
people skipping BL on tree in order to have it up for crawth?
lucid pasture
people skipping BL on tree in order to have it up for crawth?
I usually pull everything on tree, and then have it for crawth
Or on double at vexamus
And then for bird