protection

[chilly brook]

But the whole ability to carry your groups interrupts as paladin has been a thing since legion

And it was doubled down in SL with kicks becoming even more prevalent and the addition of divine toll

[sick sentinel]

this is basically prot pal

specific function differs but use case is basically the same

[chilly brook]

Didn’t include sotr as shield block

I cri

If you enjoy it that’s all that matters

Fwiw pally is probably the best tank rn

I just find holy power a weak gameplay loop

Dropped pally as soon as it was added back in Cata, only other time I had fun with the class was legion

[sick sentinel]

honestly

if you put 5 lines on your rage bar

its pretty much the same

[edgy shell]

If you cant play prot warrior right, no way in hell youll play BDK right

[chilly brook]

People still don’t play blood dk right and healers just pick up the slack

Not sure it makes a difference

[sick sentinel]

my probably illegal bdk talents and buttons (im in the dk discord if i need real help no worries)

[daring marlin]

Not necessarily true

[chilly brook]

Even when blood is played terribly people rave about how it doesn’t need to be healed

[daring marlin]

If you goof up bdk you're smeared on the pavement

full stop

[chilly brook]

See the logs that Damekage posted

[edgy shell]

You will get your ass chewed out if you post that there 🙂

[chilly brook]

His cotank def didn’t play right

[vernal vale]

hahahaha

[chilly brook]

Just propped up by his healers

[sick sentinel]

lets find out

[edgy shell]

Did you read any guides etc or is this just your intuition?

[edgy shell]

Do it!

[sick sentinel]

about to find out

[chilly brook]

I think the moral of the story here is that 90% of tanks don’t play their chosen class right

They barely do anything tank related right to begin with

[edgy shell]

Ah you're only leveling, but it's still absolute dogshit if you're about to do some raiding/m+ 😄

[vernal vale]

Definitely lol

[sick sentinel]

yeah hes only at 67

[daring marlin]

I did now that I got home and lol

using ds after taking damage tough I guess

[chilly brook]

Fr fr, making sure you have runic power before damage is taken is just hard

🧢

[vocal bison]

60% of the time I play 100% correctly.

[daring marlin]

you expect me to POOL resources?

fuck that bro I send that runic asap

and still parse gray

[chilly brook]

I should give blood a try now that they fixed some of the QoL stuff

[daring marlin]

It's fun.

[chilly brook]

The spinning plates seemed kinda atrocious before upping the duration on icy talons

[daring marlin]

Goofing around with prot pally more now tho

in prep for big dick ret

tbh

[chilly brook]

Ret is gonna be good for like

A week

Then it’ll get nerfed just in time to make every reroller cry

[idle quartz]

Hey guys! I know this has been asked to death, but what do you consider the best race for Prot Warrior Horde? Does anything sim better or worse? I’m race swapping and I’m between BE, HMT, or Tauren. I haven’t really been able to find a good consensus besides maybe Tauren. I’m aware this is a nuanced debate, and I guess I just need more convincing. Thanks in advance (:

[chilly brook]

Jk jk it’ll probably be stronk even after a nerf

[chilly brook]

Play what you want

Doesn’t matter

[lilac jay]

It’s dwarf

[idle quartz]

Wish I could be alliance 😭

[chilly brook]

I mean you can be

[slim dove]

dwarf.

specifically DI.

[lilac jay]

Same mate. But Horde racial don’t matter. They are kinda en par. U a dwarf or be anything else. Doesn’t matter

[daring marlin]

dorf master race

I say as a KT

[chilly brook]

I need to unlock KT

[idle quartz]

Just like to figure out when and where certain traits come in handy. How often does Arcane Torrent actually come in handy? Still, I think you guys are helping me figure it out. Thanks!

[lilac jay]

Only dungeon right now is RLP. Every other dungeon u can at least play around. Arcane torrent was insane when it did interrupt. But now it’s kinda only a dispel on a very long CD

[idle quartz]

Probably going to go with HMT then, though that War Stomp is tempting

Can see Bull Rush coming in handy in some places

[daring marlin]

Sentinel is fuckin' cool.

[slim dove]

carries the spec tbh

defensively anyways

[lone eagle]

HMT is good in general, the real gangster races are Dwarves though

and Void Elves are dope in their own way

Dwarf and Dark Iron Dwarf have a lot of uses in keys

[devout basalt]

Dwarf Chad's for the sweet beards, to hell with the racial

[round pendant]

heh lfr is funny

[chilly brook]

Fr fr

But humans also have goated facial hair

[left cave]

question!

If im using chest/legs/gloves/hands for set, is this helm worth using insted after upgraded with valor of course

has socket

[warm plinth]

I mean...I wouldn't want to use that if I had options. The chest is the worst tier slot so I'd rather use this helm (converted) and get a better non tier chest

[lusty tiger]

^

[left cave]

really?

i thought the tier chest was good

[warm plinth]

No it's not

[lusty tiger]

Baddest of the bunch

[mighty valley]

If you play a ton and valor is plentiful then this helm is fine, no haste makes it a lil suboptimal

[warm plinth]

High budget slot with no haste, hard pass

[left cave]

ah okay

[mighty valley]

but yeah, if you have all the choices in the world, ditching chest would be perfect

and if valor is tight i wouldn't plow it into this helm

[alpine ravine]

what we thinkin i can max all M+ trinkets

[opaque forge]

hi all, tanking 20 i sometimes get rage starved on bosses, for example rlp b1 and some b2, i try not to use revenge on them, what am i doing wrong?

[undone verge]

whetstone

then probably icon or totem for m+ icon for raid

[jaunty canopy]

are you using barbaric training? and whats your haste? @opaque forge

[undone verge]

prob totem for m+ icon prob isnt good unless others have it

[opaque forge]

yes, 24%

thinking about it, maybe i should utilize aoe and avatar to get more rage in those situations instead of trying to max dmge

[jaunty canopy]

I personally use the talent but ive heard people dont due to rage issues.

[opaque forge]

its only on bosses, i actually died on sbg b1, was just out of rage

[jaunty canopy]

~~ are you just sending IP as soon as you can or are you pooling rage/watching your ip absorb amount before pressing it again while being mindful about not wasting rage? @opaque forge

[ocean prairie]

Guys what's a good updated list of trinkets we like? Is rumbling Ruby good?

[undone verge]

its meh

[ocean prairie]

And boon?

[warm plinth]

[undone verge]

good

in aoe

[opaque forge]

i watch ip to not burn rage, let it expire

just ran sbg again, and same thing on b1, aoe burned my ip, no rage, then he has 3 stacks, didnt die but i feel naked

[cloud umbra]

Don’t run barbaric training. Massive waste of rage. You should reflect one or 2 off each 3 stack of death spikes. defensive when you don’t have it back up

[hidden ether]

For AA20 which healers can take off the bleed? I know evokers but what else?

[cloud umbra]

Also are you not SS’ing enough? Lack of rage is probably you overcapping it too much, or spending too much (barbaric training)

Evokers only one I believe

[warm plinth]

Paladin can, but evoker is both more often (5 min vs 1 min) and don't require a cancelaura macro

[cloud umbra]

They can do 3 in a row on crawth. It’s kinda hard to line it up from what I hear

[slow harbor]

in AA tyr weeks, is it realistic to do Vex->Tree->Crawth to have lust on 1st and 3rd?

[lone eagle]

I'd argue for shroud to vex trash, kill it, lust boss, clean up all trash nearby then lust crawth fire burn

that should make things line up better

[warm plinth]

that's what we do ^

[spice lark]

Yo after reaching 2.5k i just noticed until today that revenge of all skills doesnt reach bonemaw unless you get really close to him

every other skill works from a distance except revenge, theres no way its intended no?

[warm plinth]

It's not intended but they've already "fixed" it once so I guess we're just stuck with it now

basically any ability that works similar does the same thing, e.g. fists of fury

[spice lark]

I always wondered why that boss always took longer than the rest, im flabbergasted

[warm plinth]

have to stand right up in his grill

[spice lark]

yeah, and it wouldnt be nearly as bad of an issue if ranged just went into melee range to bait skeletons

sigh

this is terrible

ah well thanks for the reply

[ocean prairie]

@strong forum I've seen you run haste crit gear instead of haste versa, my gear is more or less similar to yours (i have all crafted gear haste versa) but i have around 10% less crit. Do you think it's worth it to recraft all gear to haste crit? Doing around +20/+21
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/it-it/character/eu/pozzo-delleternità/oy

[civic holly]

can the tank control where the jade lines go on temple 3rd boss, is the direction based off how i stand?

[slow harbor]

alright if yall were ilvl 398 what lvl keys would you be pugging

like whats that ilvl a good match for

[opaque forge]

16+

[slow harbor]

checks out. slept walked thru this AA 13 which was a rating gain

[sterile bough]

pretty sure yes

but no 1 will do it

kekw

[fathom goblet]

which is the best aoe potion we have ?

[sterile bough]

shocking disclosure

dmg wise

im using pretty much alwyas elemental power except AA

so I get defensive value as well

[hidden ether]

timed 20 AA 21 COS and now Have an 22 AA.... i dont have that in me lol

[sterile bough]

swap to dwarf so u can live crawth

and u got it

or get and evoker in ur team

and half the key is done

[hidden ether]

Yeah we did it with an evoker and I still almost died twice on the first boss

And is that to cancel the bleed?

For dwarf that is?

[undone verge]

yes

[slow harbor]

just had a group couldnt dodge first CoS boss aoes, wild

[hidden ether]

Ahh this time I didn’t pick up the heal that gets rid of dot for tree boss and I almost regretted it gonna pick that up next time

[broken crag]

does crit give us more rage? and is that rage meaningful as a gearing decision?

[warm plinth]

No, it gives you crit chance and parry

[broken crag]

do crit autos give you more rage?

i just assumed they did

[warm plinth]

No, just from successful hits. I believe it's like 2 rage per hit for us

[last mason]

is there a way to get a different shard for primalist future

orr just 1 a day

need the rares

but they were already dead

[plush briar]

so is it a simtrap if raidbots is saying to gem/enchant crit for ST and dungeon slice?

[amber siren]

No, crit is a good damage stat

Also dungeon slice for prot isn't updated

[onyx vessel]

Simming for tanks is based on dmg anyways

[plush briar]

ah word was just surprised

[onyx vessel]

Haste > whatever gives most of next stat

[plush briar]

word is there any like soft cap or just keep sending it lol at 4200/27%

[onyx vessel]

Mastery gives attack power

So all of them give dmg

[plush briar]

gotcha, thanks for the info ❤️

[amber siren]

You'll start DR'ing haste at 40% unbuffed

Which I don't think is even obtainable right now

[wary pasture]

Prot warrior for Ruby Whelp shell should i train ST or aoe

all my dps i have set to single

[amber siren]

single target

[wary pasture]

ty

[dreamy root]

Anyone know if you can spell reflect any part of mortal stone claws on brood keeper?

or is it just the DR

[lofty widget]

only DR

[lament dragon]

how much benefit do you really get form armored to the teeht

i was debating dropping it for Bitter Immunity and 1 handed mastery

was going to do thudnerous roar and shockwave build

[chilly brook]

Let’s think about this

4% of your armor converts to strength

you have thousands of armor

several thousands

Then you have this

tldr it's not really negotiable, strength is a huge stat

[lament dragon]

is 1 handed weapon mastery?

thats 5 % flat damage boost

[chilly brook]

both pinned builds take it

are you trying to build your own talent build?

[lament dragon]

ya im not a fan of avatar

[chilly brook]

Then don’t play warrior

[lament dragon]

so i was thinking of going more thunderous roar shockwave capstone

[chilly brook]

Sounds harsh but not taking avatar is killing yourself

I’m also not sure what isn’t to like about avatar

You press button you do more damage and gain rage/can use rage generating abilities more often

The class has had avatar since as long as I’ve been playing it

[lament dragon]

ya

not since i played it tho 😛

insert old man comment about i remember when fury couldnt wield 2 handers

back in my day...there wasn't single minded fury fury just used single handed weapons ...

idk avatar just feels alot like just another off GCD ability to hit to peek your damage without any actual fun to it

[chilly brook]

Sir fury has been able to wield two handers for the majority of this game’s existence

[lament dragon]

i like the lower cd of shockwave and thunderous roar because they feel engaging and interactive

[tender quartz]

https://i.imgur.com/4amgjFC.png

So how's your day going

Anyone wanna hold hands

[chilly brook]

It literally changes your ability to hit thunderclap far more often

[lament dragon]

i'm talking about titans grip lol

[chilly brook]

Meaning more shield slams

And more rage to spend

Which means faster CDs

Which means you press avatar and shield wall more often

[chilly brook]

Yes, titans grip has been around for more than half of wows life

[lament dragon]

ya now 😛

wasnt when i started idk i really like the game play of shockwave thunderous roar i could i guess live without

[chilly brook]

Avatar, specifically with unstoppable force, completely changes the pace of the spec within the avatar window

Since you can thunderclap every other global

[lament dragon]

shockwaves reduced cool down i feel like i can do bigger plays with it in m+

[chilly brook]

Which is a huge amount of rage gain

[chilly brook]

You can’t

[lament dragon]

it would interupt no?

[chilly brook]

As all stuns can

But it’s not going to help you

Not nearly as much as the rage gain from UF

Warrior is all about the rage economy

Literally no top key runner takes shockwave

I shouldn’t say none

I think it gets some use in CoS

[lament dragon]

i'm looking at nerftank

they have shockwave

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/40451449?mode=detailed&zone=32#metric=playerscore

[chilly brook]

He’s also taking UF

[lament dragon]

ya

[chilly brook]

Which means he’s running avatar

[lament dragon]

its better to just show the talent im thinking about i guess

[pallid quiver]

Rumbling Earth, isn't it?

yeah, we know which one you're talking about

It does not really enable anything

[lofty widget]

it enables stun-DRing all the mobs

[chilly brook]

Also these are all not logged

They’re leaderboard runs

[pallid quiver]

also, dammit, i'm old, part of me still thinks of Titan's Grip as something new

[chilly brook]

Aren’t those innacurate?

[warm plinth]

No but everyone takes Shockwave. They don't take rumbling earth/sonic boom but most if not all should have Shockwave

[chilly brook]

huh m+ build changed from the last time I imported

my b

[lament dragon]

i mean if you are taking a 40second DR down to a 25 second dr thats nearly a 40% increase in your DR

[chilly brook]

shockwave fine

[lament dragon]

how is that not a good thing?

[chilly brook]

opportunity cost

you cast shockwave what? let's be generous and say twice a minute

[pallid quiver]

DR in this case is diminishing returns

you

You don't want that

[chilly brook]

so like what? 40-50 times in a key?

[warm plinth]

Yeah DR is diminishing returns lol

[pallid quiver]

Because that means you're no longer able to stop a cast with stuns

which means you're increasing the amount of damage outgoing

[chilly brook]

so 400-500ish rage and an ok stun

now let's look at a log

[lament dragon]

also why do people not pick up barbaric training?

[lament dragon]

25% damage incrase for slight more rage cost

[lofty widget]

50 % more rage cost

for 25 % dmg gain

[pallid quiver]

It's a decrease in rage efficiency that is unable to afforded in our current rage economy

[chilly brook]

So 43% uptime on Avatar, 451 casts of Thunderclap and a net of 2300 rage from thunderclap

Does it make sense now?

[pallid quiver]

It's not a bad talent by design, but it means you use Revenge less overall and likely less IP, fueling less usage of Anger Management/Indom due to not generating as much rage with SS

[chilly brook]

For reference

[pallid quiver]

You're effectively losing DPS currently by losing out on Revenge casts, despite each Revenge doing more damage individually

[chilly brook]

half of his casts are during avatar

[lament dragon]

unless im miss interpreting
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yNcYmbnxC4VRdZGB#fight=40&type=resources&source=589&spell=101 he was rage capped most of the time?

[chilly brook]

so you can basically remove half of his rage influx of Thunderclap

[pallid quiver]

... you should go to fury

[lofty widget]

cause he's playing poorly

[chilly brook]

well not half

more like 1/4th

[pallid quiver]

We don't have Raging Blow, boss

[chilly brook]

So he'd potentially lose ~6-700 rage

but then he also loses all the damage associated with avatar and thunderclap

[wise shale]

Someone have the WA by NerfTank for the warrior? I cant see them in him list

[pallid quiver]

I think we should start with the fact the logs we're being linked are from Fury

[chilly brook]

since this is an extra 50% damage to thunderclap on top of avatars 20% damage

[lament dragon]

is there a way on wcl to see how many resources were not gained because was at cap?

[chilly brook]

yes

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it's the Wasted category on the resources, but

[chilly brook]

Also like I said that whole 2 casts of shockwave per minute was generous

Extremely so

This man cast it 12 times total

[lament dragon]

he played fury that one

so bad example 😛

just realised the blood thirst xD

[chilly brook]

I'm not sure what difference it makes

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, Fury intentionally sits at rage cap every now and then, so

[lament dragon]

^

[pallid quiver]

You can't compare them the same way

[chilly brook]

just run the build in the pins and either deal with it or don't

[lament dragon]

agreed

[pallid quiver]

The goal of Prot is to never cap rage, since we have an oGCD spender with no real CD on it

[cinder nova]

Shockwave is not worth it, but run it if you want.

[chilly brook]

rumbling just isn't worth it and not taking avatar/UF is kneecapping yourself

[pallid quiver]

Shockwave itself is definitely worth it and pretty much always grabbed for M+, while Avatar and either of the follow up talents are literally always taken

[cinder nova]

Talking about ShW spec

It's pretty garbo speccing deep ShW instead of Ava > UF and TR > TW

[lament dragon]

ok i found a person in prot loging high keys

i see what your saying now

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bfgYVmdyzHkTQq4P#fight=5&type=resources&source=6&spell=101

[chilly brook]

Everything I showed was from a 25 lol

[lament dragon]

oh did you link a log above

mb didnt see it

[cinder nova]

Tangentially, speccing Barbaric isn't exactly a terrible idea if you aren't struggling. Obviously sim it compared to w/o, but it's usually a DPS gain if you can balance your rage properly and not gas out.

It's trickier with ST at times, but in M+ you have so much rage in cleave.

[lament dragon]

more mobs in pull = more rage generation right?

<--- hasnt played warr since burning crusade (the original not the shit remake)

[cinder nova]

More or less, but that's not a license to go ham and wipe your group with apeshit grabs.

[lament dragon]

APE STRONK

[chilly brook]

I mean it is the original though lol

classic just didn't age well

[lament dragon]

is and isnt idk maybe i have rose tinted lenses 😛

i've played on pservs that felt ...more nostalgic idk was weird

that said made me realize how nice retail really is now lol

[cinder nova]

It's not going to be the same since you probably played when you were much younger and your idea of impress was probably topping out at meeting Tony Hawk and riding a roller coaster. Things were more magical when you were younger, and felt more memorable as formative memories.

Playing it when you're older and the entire meta has shifted towards hyper optimiziation makes it feel like rerunning a game you've already beaten.

[lament dragon]

so are you guys using a burst macro for avatar + thunderous roar since avatar is off gcd?

and they are timed the same?

[sick sentinel]

bro

how come noone ever thought this was gonna be broken at high keys

[cinder nova]

Ava gets CDR from Anger Management, so unlikely.

[pallid quiver]

No, you don't really get to macro much together as Prot War

[cinder nova]

Pretty sure keys aren't meant to truly be infinitely scaling, you're gonna eventually hit a wall.

[lament dragon]

ahh yes the pink warriors are broken

[chilly brook]

they aren't the same CD

[cinder nova]

Do they generate enough HoPo for it to matter?

[chilly brook]

on paper yes

[lament dragon]

welp thanks for the discussion appreciate it gave me some insight as just learning warrior

[chilly brook]

in practice no

all the rage you spend reduces the CD of avatar

[cinder nova]

That's 210 seconds and just getting half that made up is 315 HoPo spent.

[sick sentinel]

this was from a 13 min run

[cinder nova]

That's a fuckload.

[sick sentinel]

including fly time too

was NO

[cinder nova]

How much HoPo is SotR these days

[sick sentinel]

3

[cinder nova]

What other spenders did you press.

[sick sentinel]

no other things

lol

they only have one real spender

[cinder nova]

So you spent 2 talents for 1 extra divine shield

[lament dragon]

SotR is 3+

[sick sentinel]

WoG is free

[lament dragon]

if they are runing dusk/dawn its 5

[sick sentinel]

no no sotr is static at 3

[cinder nova]

I don't see the hype.

[lament dragon]

err thats right

[sick sentinel]

ok

scenario

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel damn you

[lament dragon]

3 then generate 1 more and do it again

[sick sentinel]

TJS before 3rd boss

[chilly brook]

you're going to make me level a paladin to try it again

[sick sentinel]

ok bad example

let me think

what im trying to say is that

[cinder nova]

I'm just saying, I don't think this is as potent as you think it is unless this extra barrier is very well-placed in a very organized run.

Otherwise it feels wasted in the pug trenches where people don't have auras to track shit.

[lament dragon]

i meanfor theads before last boss

with all the darkclaw

its basically a free kill on them

[cinder nova]

Reflect it.

[lament dragon]

prot paladins cant really reflect 😛

they no have shinny shields

[cinder nova]

Yeah, that assumes that this extra bubble is up when they need it.

And all the SotR in his run made about a 1.25 extra bubbles.

[lament dragon]

crawth it would be useful for too

[cinder nova]

And that's assuming none of it was when it was off CD

So probably less.

Again, I don't see how this is good unless it's literally filling out a tier or there's objectively garbo picks in those rows.

[lament dragon]

bring back eternal flame 😦

best prot paladin was end of mop era prot paladin

litterally outhealing the healers as a prot paladin was amazing

[chilly brook]

Also my puppy is cute

[cinder nova]

Cata paladin DPS was kinda bonkers on Deathwing

[chilly brook]

[lament dragon]

bring vengeance back to for that matter

[cinder nova]

My Hpal sac'd me on a 2nd impale and got instantly dropped

[lament dragon]

tanks doing 10x damage over dps lol

[cinder nova]

Was pretty funny

I dunno, I felt outhealing healers vs. M Dogs in ATB was pretty cash

Because that felt so much wilder

[chilly brook]

There's only one thing I support bringing back for paladin

Exorcism

[cinder nova]

But that was as PWarr

I stopped Prot Paladin in WOD

[chilly brook]

is Seraphim being removed entirely?

[cinder nova]

Fuck I hope

That was such a chore

I hated it so much

[chilly brook]

Sera feels bad

[lament dragon]

This I do miss that button alot kinda selerated the good paladins from the bad

[cinder nova]

Did people just not press it?

[lament dragon]

Yes alot of reta unironically

[cinder nova]

cringe

[lament dragon]

Go play wrath classic with all the paladins and see how many don't use it 🤣

Guaranteed crit on undead which is half the mobs in wrath 🤣

[sick sentinel]

yea seraphim is being removed and dusk & dawn is getting reworked into basically a passive

prot pally will play so smoothly

[chilly brook]

sera gone from all specs?

[cinder nova]

???????? do they not press turn undead either

wtf

[sick sentinel]

idk about ret

but either way

[lament dragon]

Nope 🤣 ret has the name reartadin for a reason I guess 😂

Or the long incapacitate they have

Can't think of it's name off hand

[cinder nova]

Holy fuck dude Exorcism was literally free damage after Ulduar when mana was basically free

[chilly brook]

I thought dusk and dawn were passive?

[sick sentinel]

no rn you have to actively try to trigger it

[lament dragon]

Used in pvp alot really good in pve too

[sick sentinel]

like to pool etc

but after rework its just a pure passive

that you dont even track

you just get the proc

[lament dragon]

Ya you gotta stack 5 for dusk and then spend 5 for dawn

[sick sentinel]

by pressing anything

[orchid frigate]

have i've been doing it all wrong in AA choosing haste?

[lament dragon]

Or vice versa basically means your intentionally holding a sotr or wog

[chilly brook]

why not just remove it and apply an aura buff then

kinda odd

[sick sentinel]

no idea

this is live

this is ptr

like

you cant even not proc it if you tried

its just a passive

[lament dragon]

I hope that goes live ngl

[sick sentinel]

yea

one less thing to look at

[lament dragon]

Pretty much

Also frees up opener sequence

Because easy way to trigger was avenging wrath

[sick sentinel]

also this is not gonna go live lol

this is from class tree

this is on top of prot passive

[lament dragon]

Then your rotation as normal for 12 seconds

Ya that being in class tree was odd to say the least

[sick sentinel]

theyre trying to buff ret

watch

ret gonna stay B tier

and prot will coincidentally become meta

lol

[chilly brook]

kinda lowkey is

[lament dragon]

Or atleast compete with brm and warr

[chilly brook]

already does

top tank is a paladin

[lament dragon]

Interesting

Brm I feel kinda getting slept on atm

[sick sentinel]

yea was hoping theyd nerf pal with the changes as theyre already outperforming

cuz im too lazy to reroll

but they ended up buffing it

[lament dragon]

Hasn't that been every expansion tho

[sick sentinel]

SL BDK flashbacks lol

[lament dragon]

0 to 1 they were meh and then with gear always started to shine

[chilly brook]

BrM kinda in the spot prot warrior was in during SL s3/4

very capable

very slept on

just takes a lot of effort to get great results

[lament dragon]

Definitely outside of my skill set looking at people play brm at high levels

I can do bdk and prot pal fine but brm looks like playing frost dk and tons going on and huge setups to get the returns

[chilly brook]

yo watching a vid tf

they're giga pumping prot pally

[lament dragon]

Off to bed for me o/

[sick sentinel]

i mean if the PTR changes go live prot pal will be tiers above every other tanks

i dont hate prot pally but its pretty lame they do a meta shift this late into a season

[onyx vessel]

Tiers above other tanks in what sub 15s

They squishy af

[sick sentinel]

lol

[onyx vessel]

Nothing is higher then prot warrior

[warm plinth]

call to arms btw 🙃

[onyx vessel]

[warm plinth]

lul, it's kinda funny because

[onyx vessel]

Is that either of you or like always talkers are not players

[warm plinth]

Nome has been saying paladin was sleeper since the start of the season

[onyx vessel]

No sub

[warm plinth]

Now the #1 M+ tank is a paladin and we haven't even seen the 10.0.7 changes yet

[onyx vessel]

Prot warrior is the king of early game always has been

Low requirement on gear

Nerf bat class still top 3

[chilly brook]

prot pally is always sleeper

same with last xpac

[onyx vessel]

Me who doesnt read patch notes

[lament dragon]

Same for every since wrath basically

[pallid quiver]

prot pally's sleeper because it's sleeper to play

[lament dragon]

End of wrath they were god tier

[onyx vessel]

[pallid quiver]

same with any other pink variation tbh

[onyx vessel]

Not wrong

[pallid quiver]

Will never stop haiting on pally's

[warm plinth]

Prot paladin is fun to play wdym

[pallid quiver]

i will take it to my grave

[onyx vessel]

Legit most residentsleeper tank

[warm plinth]

Actually higher APM than prot warrior, infinite utility

what's not to like

[pallid quiver]

being a paladin

[onyx vessel]

I dont care about helping others

Fuck that

[lament dragon]

Ya less apm then monk tho

[warm plinth]

No lol

Prot paladin is literally the highest APM spec in the game right now

[onyx vessel]

Less boring then bear tho

[warm plinth]

Monk isn't even close

[onyx vessel]

I got 4 buttons boys

[lament dragon]

Guess I should say unique apm

[warm plinth]

idk what that means.

[sick sentinel]

prot pal unironically plays like fury war

[lament dragon]

Given judge and sotr and hammer are on a 4 sec rotation

[onyx vessel]

Higher apm = living tank

Doesnt matter what class

[lament dragon]

Ok I gotta get to bed 🤣

[onyx vessel]

Dead global could be your ass on floor

[warm plinth]

I mean we have 3 rotational buttons so...

[onyx vessel]

Marco ip to ss

Wait is not SL

[onyx vessel]

Like bear

[chilly brook]

no not like bear\

we actually do damage

[onyx vessel]

True

[chilly brook]

and aren't bugged to all hell

[onyx vessel]

We do pump

I love randomly smashing a 100k ss

Gives me a chub every time

[chilly brook]

lock is getting giga pumped too

fear causes the target to stand in place

that's huuuuge

[round pendant]

Why not 200k

I might level a paladin and gear it

[onyx vessel]

[pallid quiver]

oh that's so nice

[round pendant]

"Fixed a number of legacy dungeon items in the current Mythic+ pool that had secondary stats that were slightly lower than intended."

Which ones were these?

[strong flax]

hello everyone, what is a good uptime on vanguards determination in a m+ scenario?

[lofty widget]

85+%

[onyx vessel]

Meh

[sick sentinel]

do it now

the affix for next couple of weeks are dogshit

except one i think

you have like a month to gear up

then when push week comes youll be ready

yea look at this piece of art

[onyx vessel]

Whens bursting grev?

[versed steeple]

hey all any advice on what to use on 3rd boss of jade serpent when SR is on CD

[oak ivy]

SW

your dick riding skills on the healer

not aimed as an insult just prayge to healer

[versed steeple]

LOL

[oak ivy]

mitigate what you can

[versed steeple]

just tried to do a 20

was smooth until 3rd boss

although only 403 ilvl so that probably doesnt help

[oak ivy]

yea she fuckin trucks

[hazy sluice]

SW+SR+ IP first hit
SB+DS+IP second
SB+SR+IP third
SW+DS+IP fourth hit

Cycle IV/LS/healpot after the hit to help heal

Wait that shit is in the pins .. god damnit

[chilly brook]

Already hit level 16 kekw

[versed steeple]

thanks thats great insight 🙂

[hazy sluice]

Your healer has externals too

And possibly DDS supporting with off heal shizzle if needed

But shouldn't be on a +20 if healer knows kinda how to top you

[versed steeple]

healer was good. i jsut dont think i was mitigating enough to help him out

[hazy sluice]

For me it's sometimes more a problem to see the green waves. They randomly spawn sometimes early and sometimes just when they start to move

[tame jasper]

That's the real problem on the boss for me too

[versed steeple]

yes i had the same issue

[hazy sluice]

Yeah that's good to accept. Always search for your own mistakes first. Like i sucked the first 20s in RLP second boss too and just there Startet to really see my offensive CDs as kinda def tools too since I get more rage to dump heal/IP against the nasty bleed

[hazy sluice]

So weird. Some runs the waves are visible once the circle appears and some i literally stand outside, no waves to be seen and suddenly they spawn inside me and insta yeet me

But i guess still my bad. The waves always spawn the same directions depending where the boss faces, no ? So in the hassle of trying to play clean i kinda forget to always tank her exactly perfect and face here the exactly same direction. Always room to improve

[strong forum]

its personal preference, but i think so yes, crit grants parry and definitely more dmg than vers

[ocean prairie]

Thanks a lot!

[nimble ridge]

just got seal of filial duty from weekly box,
decent way to proc it?

[strong forum]

frostfire belt

[dusky fable]

^

[nimble ridge]

good point, ty
been meaning to make it but... no spark 😦

[tepid raptor]

spell block gotta be good in tjs

any1 of u use it?

im divided by in to the fray or heavy repucussion talent

im not sure which one to use

[lofty widget]

HR in keys

[tepid raptor]

always?

full melee setup

[tame jasper]

of course, its a big CD on 3rd boss

[tepid raptor]

does it work on 3rd one?

[amber siren]

Pins has a list of what spell reflect and spell block works on

[tepid raptor]

Yeah i see that but it doesnt block the absorb

only the damage right?

[amber siren]

For TJS primarily dark claws and jade serpent strike

Yep, you can’t block debuffs

[tepid raptor]

But its huge still its jsut to heal the absorb up

[ancient sluice]

Hi all, new here, would anyone be able to look over some Mythic Broodkeeper logs as my co tank (who recently swapped to pwar) seems to be having quite a few issues with survivability and I'm interested to know if it's something more fundamental that he's doing wrong https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rVAFdqRCbQWf4pgk

[lofty widget]

just from a glance he's overprioritizing IP, he's playing bolster+ED+HR but only has 70 % blocked hits. spec out of bolster and put it in battering ram instead, should probably also play wall over aegis focus on keeping up SB, only IP to avoid overcapping. his overall casts, especially SS is also a bit low. since he's struggling to survive use outburst procs on SS instead of TC

[amber siren]

Pretty much that, like this example of a solid 29 seconds where he is well above what is considered a necessary block amount with HR and bolster, and he's just... not pressing shield block

[jagged pier]

u play aegis on brood mythic imo

i mean theres a lot here

but your evokers should be removing rending bite from him for sure

@ancient sluice this is side by side of my last brood kill at 5:20 mins compared to your tank im also on adds

these are the cast difference

im running ITF so i should have less blocked hits than him

but hes has 10% less

so hes not paying attention

one your your evokers is cleansing him but u have 2

so they shoul both be cleansing

like the bleed trucks

[ancient sluice]

What's the benefit of taking wall over aegis, I see the majority seem to run aegis?

[jagged pier]

its more rage

[ancient sluice]

One of the evokers is on the egg group, should they be running over to the add group to cleanse the bleed? Or would you have both on the add group?

[jagged pier]

but aegis makes p2 a joke

[jagged pier]

i mean add group is all stacked up all the time, dont know about boss group

[tepid raptor]

is TJS 3rd boss tanking on stairs still a thing?

[jagged pier]

no

[tepid raptor]

figured

[rough egret]

First time that my RLP got destroyed by a player, not a boss :)))

Its hard to find good players for 18-19

[jagged pier]

[tropic gorge]

can i SR jade serpent strike

[amber siren]

For the 20% magic DR yes, otherwise no

[strong forum]

fire serpent strike you can SR

jade serpent strike you cant SR, only reduce dmg intake

[tropic gorge]

ty

stone form really helps take one of those

[sick sentinel]

finally got the versa seed

but its on my lvling dk, fml

[left beacon]

so i am doing the route where i take all of the trash upstairs in vault, do the piercing shards just keep casting if u interrupt them similar to other mobs or does it reset their action cast. Do i want to save my disables for that or its buff if I don't have a purge in the group

[deep spruce]

Surely u have better trinkets than that on your warrior anyway?

[sick sentinel]

im a versa nerd at heart really

[deep spruce]

Nah it puts it on cd

[left beacon]

alright so i want to focus the shards then got it

and ideally try and get them to cast it at the same time i guess

[sick sentinel]

the bdk build im suing is border line inting, and his only goal in life is to get to 1k io, get hlem get it catalyzed and valored to 402 for appearances

[left beacon]

i wonder if its a good idea to take battle scarred veteran there or not

[deep spruce]

BSV is fucked

So no

[lofty widget]

it's never worth to take BSV

[left beacon]

why is that bc of the low damage threshold?

[lofty widget]

because it's bugged

[deep spruce]

its buggy as shit, doesnt proc where its meant to

[lofty widget]

and procs based on pre-mitigation dmg

[left beacon]

i see i did not know this

[lofty widget]

so if you reduce a hit from 1 mill to 1k bsv will proc

[sick sentinel]

good on paper, shit in practice , like using the top of your ford ranger to get a couch home

it can work and it should work, nothing should go wrong but it does, gets activated at weird times and we already mitigate like crazy

it's an extremely weird positon BSV

[rough egret]

You know that set piece cant be moged by diff class right?

[uncut helm]

Yogi you know the helm will be the tier helm and not share with your warrior, right?

You need the boe trash drop to use that appearance

[rough egret]

You need to buy boe

[sick sentinel]

it shows as uncollected in appearances

[rough egret]

Yes but source is not tier

But the boe

[sick sentinel]

same model as dk helm i think isnt it

thats dumb, but okay

[rough egret]

It is

Like there are pally/dk off pieces dropping from bosses too

Those you can mog

[sick sentinel]

2 more wow tokens.... (150keach, item sells for 300k) + a sub..

blehhhh already another 50 bucks us

[tropic gorge]

its a shame BSV isnt the extra life the tooltip makes it seems like it is

[uncut helm]

That's dedication to the mog lol.

[sick sentinel]

thats called imma quit the fuckin game dediction lol

[tropic gorge]

just got my tier hat

[sick sentinel]

fuck that shit

[tropic gorge]

and holy shit. that graphic is fucking badass

[sick sentinel]

sorry langauge but i dunno that mog is cool but something about it seems wrong wanting to pay 2 wow tokens at minimum, to mog, lame, i thought i could scam the system get it for free no hassle GG

[uncut helm]

We just figured we would save you the time doing all that to gain nothing.

[sick sentinel]

i do legitimately need an alt in DF, and this guy is plate and tank, so why not i guess

[uncut helm]

Fair enough.

[sterile bough]

does any1 know what would be better on the same item 6 ilvl or leech?

[sick sentinel]

maybe best case scenario i can buy the helmet on dk and use it and then if possible catalyze it for set bonuses

[rough solar]

Are engineering bracers worth it for us non-engineers?

[sick sentinel]

Hey guys

im struggling to do a maccro

this doesnt work

and i can't make it work

is a DH

specs into dh do dh things

can anyone help ? 🙏

complains about said position he put him self in

nevermind, found out why its not working

[slow glacier]

hey i trying to gear ma pwar atm and wanted to use my 5 spark, with these i should craft, lariat, weapon, belt, shield (i already have an 389 though) and the 5th one i wanted to craft an ring, you think thats a good choice or should my 5 one go into shoes etc.? thought ring would be the best choice as the 5th spark

[orchid frigate]

i hate when i decide to pug my own key and it just changes to same dungeons all the time. been running back and forth between TJS and AV forever now

[dreamy leaf]

Regarding AV is it still possible to clumb the fragments together by tanking the boss on the wall

[flint snow]

Hello! anyone know about the hidden artifact to protection works? Can you make many trials and get the hidden?

[slim dove]

i believe its account wide now.

just park a war alt beside cave and check daily

[slim dove]

yes

[dreamy leaf]

Ok is there a specific spot or does every wall do the trick?

[slim dove]

i just go to her right

and drag it clockwise

its a joke fight (for us) if you reflect every dragonstrike and save movement when its needed

[dreamy leaf]

yea surviving is not hard but we wiped cauze fragments were to spread out, depleted my 22 Sadge

But ty alot for the information.

[brazen bluff]

Do you ever get dragon strikes with like 2-3 seconds left on SR CD

[slim dove]

yes, you need to SR before it starts casting

[brazen bluff]

Ah

[lament shell]

yo

i forgor

[grizzled chasm]

a little bit of spell reflect damage 😄

[odd nimbus]

i pulled hyrja and as soon as she got to me she casted shield of light,is it normal?

never seen something like this,usually she casts it after the empowerment spells,this time it got us by suprise and healer left insta

[amber siren]

yep she can do that sometimes

no reason why, she just queues her spells that way sometimes

[odd nimbus]

never seen that before

[sick sentinel]

yeah she does that

just start on lightning so you and party have zero mechanics to do and then you are garunteed to be at high enough HP to handle it with simple fixes like IP

after lightning concludes, do fight like normal

[upbeat pine]

I have one more spark and thinking about crafting. I'm hesitating between Signet of Titanic Insight and Primal Longsword (both on max ilvl). I already have Crystalized Dropped ring (408) + Melandrus and Spellbane Cutlass (408). What do you think should I choose? Or maybe craft smth other? I dont think so I will get ring from Diurna, because I'm not raiding

[lofty widget]

weapon

if you already have a 418/421 shield that is

[tame jasper]

happend to me twice - both this week, never saw this before

[upbeat pine]

I have Crystalized Bulwark (408)

[lofty widget]

craft shield then

biggest defensive upgrade you can get

[misty sail]

This Week - SpellBlock in Ruby yes or no?

[upbeat pine]

Primal Molten Defender?

[lofty widget]

yes

[upbeat pine]

ok, thx

[amber siren]

yes unless you hate your healer

[chilly hill]

And a WA to display on chat whenever something has been successfully spell reflected?

[lofty widget]

https://wago.io/VmO_GaXE_/1

[delicate bear]

What races make the best prot warriors? I was thinking Mechagnomes , normal troll, and Kul tirans any others?

[lofty widget]

dwarf/DiD is a safe bet

nelf has some uses this season, vulpera is also pretty decent

but it's minor so just play whatever looks coolest imo

[delicate bear]

Good to know thanks. I just finished leveling me DiD tank was thinking what race to do next

[distant crystal]

dwarf/DiD are bis imo

but i favor OG dwarf

[mental scarab]

Dwarf best Tmog loooookibg

[deft mortar]

swear I didnt have 1 fucking good smooth M+ run in 2 weeks

[distant crystal]

my runs last week were surprisingly pleasant, timed like every key i started

this week i've done like 5 RLP's that all failed lol

ppl keep falling over on the first boss

[rough egret]

2nd boss AV.. what a nice boss 😄

2nd intermision and 2dps fell off

And leave party started

[vital oak]

2nd or 3rd? there's nothing to fall off of on 2nd boss.

[rough egret]

It sux theese days to push keys with pugs.. ppl cba stay in groups nowadays, cus they all have sparks maxed already

I ment they just die..

We forgot to lust that boss 🙂

We blasted start.. but then the 2nd boss blasted some of my pugmates

I liked the rouge soaking cleave once 🙂

[dry wraith]

how much % of their healing should healers do to you as prot roughly

[vital oak]

Depends on the dungeon, level, and pull size. There isn't one number.

[rough egret]

Fun was in 19RLP, balance druid pulling red dragon intentionally when he was in the air…to grief the key 🙂

After we said to him that 39k dps on elemental pack is not okay

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, you trolled that key

Ya don't do that,dumdum

[daring marlin]

Fun is wiping on last boss of RLP21 at 20% but still coming back and timing it

[buoyant tangle]

it baffles me how mdps are still surprised everytime they get frontaled

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, usually tanks face it away. So when tank turns suddenly and without a pattern, it always is one.

[buoyant tangle]

yea thats on me if I do that sometimes and I raise my hand up for it

I can't tell you how many times I've killed someone with the constructs in CoS

trying to position it somewhat better so that the group doesnt get blocked

end up killing someone :<

[cerulean tusk]

I do it on purpose, to reset my grief

[buoyant tangle]

I like to scare ppl on Vexamus, going as close as possible and doing a 360

I like to think I've caused a fair few brown undies :P

[cerulean tusk]

Run the maidens through the ranged group, to keep them awake or dead

[buoyant tangle]

hah

[tame jasper]

A question to our warriors here, playing 20+ keys. Do you prefer to play Crystal Furys in AV and skip everything after 2nd boss (so jump down to 3rd) or do you prefer playing the frogs. For myself (playing PUGs only) I think playing the frogs and skip the heavy CC based Fury pulls are safer, but timer is so tight that many say the frog skip is smoother

[slim dove]

half the fun of that boring ass key

chasing your healer around with it and making him PANIC

[slim dove]

first

furys are ez.

[bold turret]

I run the skip route, found the pulls relatively challenging this week with bolstering but normally pretty easy. Make sure to use your stops/stuns

Frogs are illegal imo

[slim dove]

for first room, pull furys first

then get lashers

[last mason]

can literally anything drop sparks?

[slim dove]

if lashers die first and furys have 6x bolsters, it gets spooky.

[cerulean tusk]

Frogs are the only fun pull in that whole dungeon tho

[bold turret]

I’ve just been sending the whole pull

[tame jasper]

yes from dirt piles to raid boss

[daring marlin]

No luck spark wise for me

I've ran 30+ M+ keys on my alt this week and nada

[tame jasper]

yep ^^ and outside of explosive I don't find the pull very difficult

[tame jasper]

since its possible I saw one spark drop in M+ (and not for me, but in general I mean)

[cerulean tusk]

Just have ppl funnel into bigboys, and it is gg

[daring marlin]

Oh yeah, I've seen a few.

wish it were me 😠

[last mason]

i got 1 from farming rares

so thats what ive been doing

but was wondering about stuff like siege chests and weekly rep chest

[bold turret]

Not that the pull is difficult just not time efficient from my experience in pugs

[tame jasper]

yeah frogs have quite much HP for lesser count

[daring marlin]

I miss Spear being good.

[slim dove]

frogs are a trap on every week

skip is huge.

[daring marlin]

I actually wonder

Haven't tried it yet but

[bold turret]

Spear is trash

[daring marlin]

You know the big crystal dudes and their AoE?

[slim dove]

noyes

[daring marlin]

I wonder if BS makes you immune to the damage

Freedom does

I'll have to try it out

[daring marlin]

40s Spear was baller.

1.5 min Spear is trash.

[cerulean tusk]

Spear is trash, hope they buff it :^)

[daring marlin]

Even if they buffed it they'd have to nerf roar. That second node that buffs all bleeds too stronk.

[slim dove]

remove it

replace with necrobanner

[daring marlin]

[sick sentinel]

mdi 14 minutes, i caught like 75% of the first one

[cerulean tusk]

No DPS warr, i sleep

[tame jasper]

the AA runs yesterday where interesting and fun to watch

[tame jasper]

you are in the prot-warr channel 😛

[cerulean tusk]

Did I stutter?

[sick sentinel]

trying, to get 70 on dk

too lazy

[daring marlin]

👏 'em

[sick sentinel]

why dps when they can tank tho

[slim dove]

arms huge.

[cerulean tusk]

Legs smoll.

[jade scroll]

In the pinned messages it's saying use shield block to block the initial hit (for bleeds), I'm assuming that means like still with max IP but what about other defensives? is it implying to use SW, DS, LS for the bleed ticks?

[cerulean tusk]

SB reduces the initial hit, not bleeds itself. You soften them with rotating swall, dshout/Ava, spam IP and ofc dstance. VR also boops you back up, or LS.

[tame jasper]

bleeds are applied after an initial hit. so reduce damage from the hit as you then get damage from the bleed

[last mason]

u can transmog runecarving items now right

[jade scroll]

VR?

[cerulean tusk]

Victory Rush

[jade scroll]

ahh

Thank you @cerulean tusk

[slow harbor]

whats the strat for tanking Umbrelskul? im getting stuck in floating orbs

[cerulean tusk]

That the final dragon in AV ye?

[slow harbor]

yea

[sick sentinel]

22 hov on mdi today

[cerulean tusk]

Run up the wall, have DPS nuke the boss fast enough that they don't spawn. If you get surrounded, leap away to the other side and use Ava to remove the slow/dot midway. Then repeat first part.

Remember to SR dragonstrike with precast. So you reflect all of them

[whole acorn]

or you can wait for Lightning affix to kick in so you can freely move as much as you want till you reset it

[slow harbor]

what mechanic makes the balls spawn, is it indicative of low dps if we have a lot?

Avatar to remove the root is genius didnt think of that

[sick sentinel]

day 2 keys

[cerulean tusk]

Yarp, though you will get prob some balls. But they won't really move as boss be shaking off shards.

[daring marlin]

arms owns

[chilly brook]

Arms owns

[upbeat pine]

Question - how do you tank tree in AA and destack from lasher's dot? Move or use some skills?

[chilly brook]

Get a cleanse

Pop racial (if dwarf)

[mighty valley]

if you've got no cleanses you've gotta rely on the team chaining aoe cc

and then kiting as a last resort

but you gotta make sure you don't fuck up the next germinate placements if you are forced to kite

[chilly brook]

I mean just bring a poison cleanse

Paladin, evoker, shaman

Monk

Paladin/monk can just take it as dps

[sweet summit]

shaman totem stinks until next patch no?

druid has it

[sick sentinel]

alrighty boys

22 hov mdi time

[sand mason]

Dwaft bis? Or Dark Iron Dwarf?

[slim dove]

either is fine for prot. DI is better if you want to play arms/fury also.

[gloomy vortex]

Halls of Valor 18+ keys as prot warrior how to best reduce damage by the hyria blast which knocks you back?

I am using shield wall and spell reflect but still take a load of damage

[frank dust]

Does the frostfire belt count as an embellishment

[distant crystal]

dwarf is better than DI for both of them?

[amber siren]

Sure does

[slim dove]

no?

[frank dust]

So do we run lariat belt and feast ebellishments then?

[zinc shale]

transfering to horde

not sure what race to pick

[slow harbor]

last boss of NO charged out of area at 1% and reset, rip

[frank dust]

Pretty sure prc or tauren

[zinc shale]

prc?

[slim dove]

troll sims highest.

but the diff is very minimal.

[zinc shale]

its mostly whats most benefitting to m+ in my case

[slim dove]

ah

tauren is an extra aoe stop 🤷

[rough egret]

How? 🙂

If you were that druid then..4ppl have different opinion

[cerulean tusk]

If you start flaming someone that is doing badly in a key, you are asking them to just perform worse or int. Always ignore their performance until the end. Then when the key is done with, you can flame/int all you want.

Don't be the guy who makes bad worse.

[blazing condor]

most people aren't open to constructive criticism so not much you can do

[rough egret]

I get your point. Was kinda diferent in the key. The guy started it by himself. Pointing to low heals and weird tank 😄

[blazing condor]

roll of the dice

[rough egret]

But we were doing fine

[slow harbor]

should i be outhealing an rdruid in a NO 14

[rough egret]

And then decided to troll the key by not doing dmg, and pulling mobs that he shouldnt 🙂

[cerulean tusk]

if someone that is doing badly is flameing, it is because they know they are doing badly and get frustrated.

When that happens, humor them to unint them. Works 10/10 times. Protip: Whisper the target the guy is flameing, tell him to just agree and go with the flow.

Then once the key is done, tell the flamer to fix his shit and not blame others.

Once you got two flamers, you got a flamewar. Key is dead. Gg go again.

[rough egret]

I find myslef being very polite person.. not involving into fights like that.. my response in the chat was

😄 😄

Anyway its just game 🙂

[cerulean tusk]

If ya say so, it is so.

[rough egret]

Its pitty that the time im spending in he dungeon is not efficient.. but thats the dark side od pug life

[frank dust]

I also suffer from guild afkism

[gloomy vortex]

Any suggestions?

[noble wyvern]

I usually spellreflect - charge - Impending victory

[karmic plinth]

[noble wyvern]

But I have only done a 19

[karmic plinth]

make use of dstance

[mighty valley]

i mean, yeah, you have all the tools

shield wall, dstance, spell reflect, maybe spell block if it's really killing you

demo shout

make sure you have at least a couple up per blast

[zinc shale]

does anyonje have a spelll recleft

reflect

announer?

WA

[cinder storm]

Erga has a ton of good wa available, but if you go over the spell reflect spreadsheet that's in the pins, it's going to come a long way with other tanks as well

[zinc shale]

As an announcer i mean "Spell reflect is up" in party chat or such :

😛

[ivory elbow]

i got the cr bracers the little gem you put in there for the cr does the rank of it matter?

[cinder storm]

Do a macro?

[zinc shale]

Macros are fine and dandy until

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

aka buttonmash

[trim bay]

it wont matter

your pug will kick every time you reflect

its life

[zinc shale]

truu

[tawny knot]

Do people use Ravager as a cast on cursor? or cast on self?

[bold turret]

On cursor personally

[slim dove]

Cursor

[vocal nimbus]

On nothing

[pallid quiver]

i have both

[round pendant]

Shift-1 is cursor ravager, shift-2 is self cast ravager

[tidal ocean]

Take BI talent

[white harness]

Might be a newb questions do you guys swap to battle stance for trash on tyra week?(also on fort for bosses perhaps)

[tidal ocean]

The orbs respond to healer aggro, I intentionally try not to use any heals, even keep IP to a minimum on that boss

[deep spruce]

It's not purely healer aggro

Takes proximity onto account too

And some other unknown bullshit

[frank dust]

do we go avoidance, leech, ior speed enchants

[deep spruce]

avoidance for most people

[frank dust]

why does wowhead say speed

[upbeat pine]

Bitter Immunity?

[frank dust]

wait

it does

nt

[slim dove]

i go leech.

[chilly brook]

Brother we stay in battle stance unless for some reason we need d stance

[deep spruce]

In reality the values of avoidance and leech it gives are so low, that its kinda irrelevant for tanks. If u wanna play speed, play speed, not much lost

[chilly brook]

Not entirely true

The more of a stat you get the more impactful it is in practice

You already get a ton of leech from being prot, why not make it even better

[deep spruce]

I just go off of high end pwarr's, none of them use leech

[chilly brook]

In fairness, high end prot warriors don’t always do the “right” thing

Having high io doesn’t mean mastery of a class

It means mastery of a role/dungeons

[sick sentinel]

anything exciting on MDI

i got distracted, i see a brew team beating pwar team

[round pendant]

Lmao

Doing Kurog HC to try to get a drop for my friend

bdk co-tank goes first

lost aggro to my dps like 5 times at the start

yells "idiot TANK"

I'm just pumping, man

[sick sentinel]

bdk's get mad if you get in their territory

[round pendant]

parsed 96 (wipe tho) while he parsed 8 sadge

[sick sentinel]

this hov keys is pain to watch lol

[coarse flower]

does the grieftorch get damage increased from stuff like avatar, demo shout, vanguard's determination and battle pot?

[daring marlin]

No.