protection

[uneven mason]

Dwarf

[lusty tiger]

Vulpera

[rose flicker]

i mean we'd still time it but not p good for my mental health to be on deaths edge every beam

[uneven mason]

Get that furry shit outta here

[lusty tiger]

That’s just how the mechanic works

[graceful cobalt]

Dwarf on Horde??

[lusty tiger]

Yea it’s called switching to Ali

[uneven mason]

Literally dwarf is the only race that matters

[sick sentinel]

i liked the maghar racial

[uneven mason]

If not dwarf it doesn't matter

[sick sentinel]

gain a bunch of secondary for 20 s

[uneven mason]

Like blood elf and tauran have good racisls

But nothing defining like a bleed removal

[sick sentinel]

the only active racials that i feel are truly underwhelming to use is escape artist and canabalize

theres literal no use to canabalize in modern wow

almost the same for gnome, there was even a team AWC one of them was a gnome instead of some other race, and so they lost that game because they got to cleanse a 2s frost nova snare vs whatever else they could have cleansed

if a healer in a mythic + dungeon who is an undead can use canabalize in combat to regen mana and remove a corpse from the board to prevent ressurect, explode etc, thats cool idea.

[graceful cobalt]

thx a lot

[lilac jay]

Blood elf sucks since it has a long cd and doesn’t kick anymore. Also it’s not only bleed removal. Dwarf for warrior is insane in most dungeons. Especially in AA

[uneven mason]

Like, the dispell isn't amazing, but it's still better than the AP buff, or random stat buff

Tauren with the ae stun probably #1 horde racial

[mint gulch]

warstomp is pog for dungeons with a lot of unkickable high prio trash abilities

like AV

[uneven mason]

Vulpera looks good on paper but has minor impact

Goblin if we were a dk for mobility

[undone verge]

Yes

[odd nimbus]

about diurna's chosen 408: i have frostfire belt but this ring sims lower than my arcane loop in mythic plus,should i replace it or the sim isnt just accurate?

[tepid raptor]

what is spell block good for in nokhud?

i know some plays it there

[lusty tiger]

Nah

[turbid shuttle]

it's not super useful, but can be nice for the tempest trash

those cudgels slap, as does the arcing strike

[lusty tiger]

Ye

[turbid shuttle]

but totally not necessary

[lusty tiger]

Arcing at least u can completely dodge

[haughty sleet]

Arcing strike just step away

[lusty tiger]

Cudgels are kiteable

Also

It’s just… awkward

[north berry]

Hey guys, just a question: Frosted armor kit or Fierce armor kit for legs?

[lusty tiger]

The one with armour is like 4 strength

Extra

[digital wyvern]

Do you guys recommend a streamer or resource to learn/guide all the dungeons as a tank?

[deep spruce]

Quazii has some YouTube guides

Naowh done some too, not particularly warrior tho

[digital wyvern]

Thanks!

[summer leaf]

Hey, what is your uptime on shield block please ?

[mighty valley]

100%

[jagged pier]

we only care about blocked hits

not uptime

[lusty tiger]

Even during odyn rp

[modern brook]

We optimizing odyn rp now?

[lusty tiger]

Ye can’t drop banner

[analog sparrow]

Especially during odyn rp

[sick sentinel]

odyn fight is hard

[shrewd grove]

If you can't maintain 100% SB uptime during Odyn RP you should reroll and easier class like Necromancer

[deep spruce]

How do u che k blocked hits in logs?

[pallid quiver]

If you go to damage taken for a specific actor (yourself), you can look for melee damage, and put your mouse over the number in the "Hits" column

It will come up with an extra pop-up that shows you a percentage of melee normal hits blocked in comparison to how many were just taken to the face

You can also do the same for any other ability that is blockable

[analog sparrow]

Is every dragon strike from last boss in vault reflectable? I feel like sometimes my reflect is still on CD when she strikes again but I can't put my finger on the reason. Sometimes I can reflect 3 back to back to back but sometimes reflect is still on CD when she casts again

[strong forum]

no

you cant reflect all of them

[pallid quiver]

Spell queueing can be a bitch on that fight, since some of her attacks can interrupt the dragon strike cast

So if your party forces her to those damage thresholds, technically yes, but expect to not reflect all

It shouldn't happen that way on relevant keys, anyhow

[warm plinth]

Man

I look at Skyhold for the first time today and see "war stomp is the #1 horde racial"

[analog sparrow]

Gotcha, thank you both

[pallid quiver]

Damn, I didn't see that, Ghash

it defaulted me to the most recent chat for once

[warm plinth]

It made me sad

[sick sentinel]

i dunno how it happend, but it did

[vocal nimbus]

idol of trampling hooves any good?

[sick sentinel]

i want it cuz automagical damaging trinket

[warm plinth]

I don't even know what happened. What are we looking at?

[vocal nimbus]

in m+*

[pallid quiver]

Real talk

I've been a cow since I started playing
I still forget about War Stomp

[warm plinth]

It's decent

[pallid quiver]

for some reason I only remember it in pvp

[warm plinth]

Yeah War Stomp as a warrior is pretty meh considering we already have shockwave and other aoe stuns are longer

so I wouldn't even use it unless I was literally the only person with an aoe stun

[sick sentinel]

mail belt on dk

[warm plinth]

Isn't BfA legacy now?

[sick sentinel]

dk is life until 402 set helm acquire

[warm plinth]

So your spec doesn't matter

[sick sentinel]

wheel chair aint all bad

[limber flame]

i thought you could cast spell reflect like 2 seconds before the cast and it syncs up every cast

probably like 1 second before the cast

[cinder storm]

I've tried that and you still can mess up

[limber flame]

ahhh, what a pain in the ass then lol

[cinder storm]

Specially if group pushes her, you sr, she screams, and she dragon strike after dropping adds

[limber flame]

yeah and i guess holding till you see the cast start wont let you sync up

[cinder storm]

Right, that always feels like a "oh no" moment haha

[tender quartz]

https://i.imgur.com/dyW7mpL.png Do they mean the Hyrja Strat?

Or is that something else

[limber flame]

no looks like a bug with immunities making them lose the eye of storm damage reduction

[tender quartz]

Haven't been in there this week yet, cheers!

[cinder storm]

Yeah like turtle would supercede eye of the storm dome

[sick sentinel]

whats the hyrja strat, just stay at lightning all boss

[limber flame]

god no

[tender quartz]

Ney you can make the Eye do less damage with a fancy pull on start basically. Forgot the guys name, should be a video on youtube

Pretty neat explained

[cinder storm]

Qaziitv

[tender quartz]

Thanks, always mistype it :D

[cinder storm]

But don't do that, risk reward is not worth it

He doesn't even uses it himself

[tender quartz]

It's fine as Protwarr once you got it down, WA helps out

[tepid raptor]

Do you guys run Bloodborne as a talent?

[strong forum]

Only in raid to pad dps

[tepid raptor]

hmm ive been running it in m+

what would the big diff be between that and toguh+ punish u'd say?

[craggy pilot]

do you get more Valor if you ++?

[strong forum]

No you don't get more valor

[sick sentinel]

somebody in the key has to get points

[strong forum]

Bloodborne is a dps loss vs 100% uptime tough as nails

[woeful reef]

Feels dumb to spam +2s for max valor, should be a bonus to higher keys too

[sick sentinel]

so do mid baby keys around 10's

[strong forum]

But in raid you don't get melee'd as often

So it loses value there

Punish is a 3% dps gain in ST

[sick sentinel]

do a key where someone is below 2k io

and you got free valor

[strong forum]

The only time bloodborne is more dmg is in an mdi setting where you omega ultra Degen pull, and academy

Because academy has mega pad on tree area

And the pulls in general are massive

[tepid raptor]

I guess, so basicly its still better without bloodborne in academy considering its just pad on tree area

[strong forum]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

yeah well, i assume the meta for AA tree is: bring dk, activate grabby hands

[woeful reef]

slappy hands ftw >>

[strong forum]

Mdi is gonna be interesting tomorrow

[sick sentinel]

nah, fuck that, i want to see what they are gunna do in nokhud

[strong forum]

But yeh, don't play BB in normal m+

Not worth the points

[sick sentinel]

i think nokhud will have some very good moments

[strong forum]

Nokhud I think is actually the with the least innovation

[tepid raptor]

damn ive been running BB since i started :PPPPPP

doing 20's now lol

NOT MIN MAXING

fk

[strong forum]

I mean it's not detrimental

Just suboptimal

[tepid raptor]

yea just not minmax:/

could be those 5 secs that diffed my timer

:p

[sick sentinel]

am i going to develop brain rot getting bdk to 1k io?

i mean, can't be that hard, just slap deathstrike

[cinder storm]

You are technically correct which is the best kind of correct

[strong forum]

Bdk is both easier and harder

You don't care about dmg source or maintaining shield block

You just keep up boneshield, and press deathstrike min every 6 seconds

But to get the good stuff it's harder

[cinder storm]

You also need good internet

[wheat hawk]

guys can someone take a look at this?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W1bvjATBYdq8M4tn/#fight=14&type=healing
we dont know why 1 of our tanks(yesitis) is healing less with ignore pain with same hp and more casts

[sick sentinel]

my probably illegail bdk talents and buttons

[strong forum]

Cuz he just took less dmg

Lol

Hps from a tank is directly linked to dmg intake

A pwar who gets shit on, has higher hps

A pwar who doesn't get shit on, has less hps

[wheat hawk]

yeah but ignore pain should be consumed in both

its kurog

[strong forum]

?

If you don't take enough dmg, it won't get consumed

[cinder storm]

You should be asking why the other tank is taking more damage

[wheat hawk]

any way to see that?

[wheat hawk]

thats because one is tanking more adds in interphase and things

[strong forum]

this is external healing per second required

nosther requires ALOT more healing

than the other tank

[tepid raptor]

or standing in shit :3

[strong forum]

nosther just tanks alot more

thats all there is to it

its not because hes worse

[wheat hawk]

i know

but is there any way to see if ignore pain is expiring without full use?

[strong forum]

no

and i dont know why you would care

[wheat hawk]

ok ty

[strong forum]

what does it matter

IP isnt there to be fully used, its your defensive rage dump

to avoid overcapping rage

you dont care if IP expires or gets fully used

[cinder storm]

Same thing as the other tank that posted a few days maybe, healers say it's too hard to heal

[strong forum]

what i can say however is that both pwars are doing a very poor job offensively

exceedingly poor

[wheat hawk]

any tips?

[strong forum]

checking

noster is running a bad talent build

Yesitis one is slightly better

but still both should stop playing defenders aegis

[ocean bloom]

D:

[strong forum]

no way in hell do they need double shieldwall, theyre just missing out on extra rage generation

[warm plinth]

😠

[strong forum]

both players CPM of shield slam is way too low

they need to priorities shield slam more

their avatar usage is also kinda lacking

and theyre paying 0 attention how to use outbursts, they should almost exclusively send all their outbursts into shield slam, not thunderclap

[ocean bloom]

also spell block is atleast somewhat useful on kurog if healers are having a ahrd time keeping up. It can block the smites from the Adds. p1 its not a huge deal but it helps a lot with the earth smite imo

[strong forum]

theyre not overcapping rage, but theyre not nearly generating as much rage as they could

which hurts their offense and defense

[wheat hawk]

what spell are the smites? sorry not native

[ocean bloom]

The add tank frontals

[wheat hawk]

alright

[ocean bloom]

its not required but it does work

[wheat hawk]

tyvm everyone, noted and passed everything to them 🙂

[strong forum]

so to summarise:

• prioritise shield slam more!! especially with outburst
• stop playing barbaric training
• press avatar more frequently
• stop playing bloodborne

[wheat hawk]

tyvm

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUkFVEQpRQVBBNVUVFREUFVYVVQCVE

this talent build should prove more useful

[wheat hawk]

they are asking why they should not play bloodborne and barbaric training, they think that gives them more dps

[strong forum]

1 is not playing battering ram, which is a sin and a way bigger dps loss

1 is not playing punish

which is a massive defensive loss

bloodborne costs 2 points which you cant afford in this scenario

for both of your warriors 2 points in bloodborne is only
for yeitis - 1.5k dps for 2 points
for noster - 1.8k dps for 2 points

[tropic tangle]

barbaric training makes your revenge LESS efficient

[strong forum]

which is super low

barbaric training lowers your revenge usage, which means lower tierset uptime and less SS resets

its not a dmg gain

[warm plinth]

Considering they already aren't generating the rage they should be, it makes even less sense to run Barbaric Training.

[strong forum]

^^

[tropic tangle]

fewer revenges, fewer resets, less rage gained, less rage funneled into Outburst and resetting Avatar / Shield Wall

[strong forum]

^

[lusty tiger]

Why are there so many curious prot noobs today

[warm plinth]

Sadlly, it's not even curious prot noobs

[strong forum]

better curious than entitled and not open to criticism

[warm plinth]

It's their guildie I believe

[lusty tiger]

[warm plinth]

I love curious prot noobs as long as they are open to the feedback.

[pallid quiver]

Barbaric Training isn't necessarily a bad talent, it's just a bad talent in the current rage economy we have. The reason you pick BT up is if you have too much rage to actually spend, which we do not

[lusty tiger]

It’s really good… on council

[strong forum]

even there

its not "really good"

jakey still did 129k dps without it there

[urban portal]

Barb training has a place

[lusty tiger]

Really useable

[urban portal]

its just not for right now

[strong forum]

i also did 109k dps on council

without BT

cuz my killtime sucked

i swear ican do more 😦

[lusty tiger]

I suck on council

[wheat hawk]

dedicated rl 😄

[pallid quiver]

i do 0k DPS on council because i simply don't raid other than weekly kellog's

[lusty tiger]

I’ve only done council 3x but I was ass

[tepid raptor]

do you realize what were talking about

what do we dps as tanks

we gonna get such nerfs 😦

[strong forum]

nohi

lemme send you smth

[lusty tiger]

Wot

We been nerfed more than any spec

9 weeks in

[strong forum]

pwar isnt that broken on dmg 🙂

trust

[lusty tiger]

That looks healthy af

[tepid raptor]

m+ tho?

[vestal rover]

which one would you guys go for? I am guessing the ones with speed but unsure, and don't say sim it cause this is a utility angle >:(

[strong forum]

same thing

[tepid raptor]

btw it felt so fkn nice doing nokhud +21 today

and baiting spellreflect on 2nd boss

[ocean bloom]

and guardian doesnt do anything other than dmg :). also i did some research in pumps vs mercy there and i was like wtf why did he do so much dmg. it was just kill times

[tepid raptor]

ended up doing 4.5 mil dmg :3

only by spell reflect

[warm plinth]

what is a "utility angle" that's not a thing

[strong forum]

like, yes pwar does on average a bit more dmg than other tanks in m+

[warm plinth]

you take the one with haste

[strong forum]

but its not out of this world

pally can keep up or does almost the same

bear is sad cuz they have to choose between surv and dmg

vdh is alright, if youre like arty you can almost compete with pwars

bdk is sad

[lusty tiger]

Bdk immortal?

[strong forum]

brew is equal to pwar

bdk mega immortal ye

[lusty tiger]

Fair

[golden acorn]

this is for raids?

[strong forum]

for kurog specifically

[golden acorn]

ah right

[tepid raptor]

do yall play sonic boom in m+?

[strong forum]

never

[lusty tiger]

Sonic who?

[strong forum]

trash talent

sonic boo!

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/u7i8.gif

[lone saddle]

hihi does spell block work against aoe spells? or frontals

[warm plinth]

This is the only sonic boom I use

[strong forum]

most of them,yes

but not ground effects!

[lone saddle]

oh shoot thats strong

[strong forum]

most aoe spells arent dangerous to tanks

so...

🤷‍♂️

[lone saddle]

so if vex uses his kamehameha

it works against it right

[strong forum]

thats the 1 usecase of spellblock in AA

yes

[lusty tiger]

Vex frontals, another boss to treat like 3rd boss RLP

[strong forum]

pmuch

spell block is absolutely not needed there

if you just coordinate

[lusty tiger]

There will be one u need like a single target heal soon after from my xp

But it doesn’t really kill u

[lone saddle]

i feel like i wall the first one, and the second one im dead without any defensives

22 AA

[strong forum]

hence the coordinate part

but on 22 that shouldnt happen

all you need to do is be healthy, have IP and SR

and d-stance

and you should be fine

[warm plinth]

I'd like you healthy with IP and SR

gottem

[strong forum]

same

[lone saddle]

whats IP

[strong forum]

ignore pain

[warm plinth]

wat

[lone saddle]

oh okay

after eating a few orbs

i have no IP

[strong forum]

yeah well, you see the solution then ye?

[warm plinth]

why are you soaking a few orbs and your group not soaking orbs 🤔

[lone saddle]

i thought as i tank i soak 4

then dispell

[strong forum]

what

[warm plinth]

Uh, no

[strong forum]

no

every dps takes 1 or 2

[warm plinth]

YOu take more damage the more orbs you take

[strong forum]

you take 1 or 2

thats it

[warm plinth]

Taking 4 is stupid

[strong forum]

thats way too much movement

for no reason

[warm plinth]

Just aim that frontal EVERYWHERE

[pallid quiver]

but sometimes you gotta take every orb

[lone saddle]

frontal i have no issue aiming away

[strong forum]

i mean if its planned, sure but eating 4 orbs

[pallid quiver]

because the DPS have already died somehow

[strong forum]

without shieldwall

[warm plinth]

That's beside the point

[strong forum]

is suicide

[warm plinth]

Eating 4 orbs is dumb, regardless of the frontal

[strong forum]

its everybodies job to eat some orbs

yes tank takes majority

[lone saddle]

i just keep seeing dps get one shot by bomb

[strong forum]

but not during frontal overlap

[lone saddle]

if they even take 1 orb

[warm plinth]

The bomb does not do more damage if you eat orbs

[strong forum]

thats another user issue

if the healer doesnt top them

for mana bomb

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, orbs should only increase orb damage

[strong forum]

orb debuff doesnt increase manabomb dmg

[warm plinth]

Generally in my group, if you have mana bomb you avoid taking an orb at the same time

Just so it's less burst damage on you

[strong forum]

like

if people can do that on +26 tyr

surely

you can survive without shieldwall on +22

where you have 46% less dmg taken than in a 26

[sterile bough]

u just need high ip

[warm plinth]

Innocent Pygmies, yes

[lone saddle]

ok 1-2 orbs got it ty

[strong forum]

you can take 3 when frontal isnt happening

[sterile bough]

nah u can soeak all of em

[strong forum]

all is a bit much imo

way too much running

[warm plinth]

It's just...unnecessary

[sterile bough]

im always trying to take all

[warm plinth]

Like why would you take all of them when it's easier to just spread them

[sterile bough]

so dpses dont have slightest overlap with mana bombs

[lone saddle]

yeah i usually try take all

[strong forum]

timers are known

you can play around that

whats lethal

is fissur + manabomb

thats why you desync em

[hazy bronze]

And most dps have defensives

[sterile bough]

they wont have defensives for every mana bomb

[strong forum]

single orbs do almost 0 dmg

legit

[sterile bough]

ye like 30k

[strong forum]

ye thats nothing, and if manabombs are out, obv dont soak

thats when you can soak as tank ofc

but no need to do it always

1-2 during tank frontal

and rest is kinda yolo

orbs arent a big issue

its the 3 other mechanics that fuck

[lone saddle]

to desync

u just soak 1 orb into vex right

[strong forum]

let 2 bombs go through after 2nd fissure

iirc

[lone saddle]

ok

thx guys

[strong forum]

3rd fissue is when the overlap happens with manabombs + fissure

so proc that one early

[sterile bough]

acutally u can just go on m0 and test all possibilities for 5min fight lenght

when u need to let it go in

[strong forum]

ye

[lone saddle]

do pppl still do tree (lust)> vex > bird(lust)?

or vex first

[strong forum]

i usually do vex first now

depends on how i feel

i havent min maxed routing at all

[sterile bough]

I go vex pretty much always on tyra

[pallid quiver]

I usually do Vex than Tree, yeah

[warm plinth]

Yeah so actually, fun fact

[sterile bough]

and forti tree

[warm plinth]

Arcane orbs (the actual orb) don't scale

[pallid quiver]

Vex is a lot spoopier than tree I feel

[warm plinth]

They do 22,104 damage regardless of key level it looks like

The puddles definitely scale though

[sterile bough]

if they go in thye deal like 70k to every1

this boss design is just bad with these numbers there are

[warm plinth]

yeah

[strong forum]

according to r1 vdh, on Tyr you go vex first

and on fort you go tree first

[sterile bough]

ye on forti u need to jiga save time

on lashers

[cinder storm]

Can pull big and lust adds before tree and should be up for crawth if you want an alternative

[lone saddle]

i see

[warm plinth]

Lusting tree is a waste now

[lone saddle]

whats the approx cd for wall with all the talents reducing it

[wheat hawk]

perfect they will be using this now, and they have a last question, they are using defensive stance in kurog because we are progressing and they receive too much dmg, should they be using battle stance and just hitting more for more healing with this new talents?

[strong forum]

only go d-stance if you actually feel like you take dmg, or for dangerous tankbusters

if they permanently feel like theyre in peril then yeah just sit in d-stance

but judging by ehrps

theyre not rly taking heavy dmg

just gotta get a bit more comfortable with the class i guess

cuz as the grey dmg parses indicate, theyre not doing particularily well

dont look at HPS or healing parses, those dont indicate ANYTHING

a well played tank will do good dmg

there is no "defensive playstyle" without also doing good dps

[wheat hawk]

alright got it ty 🙂

[strong forum]

id recommend for them to just slap the dummy a bit with the talent build i gave them and try to hit 40k dps on ST

or atleast close to

lemme check how much i do to confirm how possible it is

ya OK 40k is a bit steep

https://i.imgur.com/tL7jpHF.png

thats me on boulderfist for 5minutes with the talent build linked above, only 1 stack of ITF with all the consumables available to me, no lust no monk buff, no windfury totem

i think they should just practice a bit on dummy, and get as close to that as they can i guess

@wheat hawk

[warm plinth]

Only 40.8k smfh

washed up

[strong forum]

i mean it was pretty much perfect play, its just not fully raidbuffed and low itf stacks and no execute phase

[wheat hawk]

ok ty

[warm plinth]

I'm so sleepy and bored. Let it be the weekend already

[mighty valley]

some americans are getting a 3 day weekend

for presidents or something

[fervent smelt]

Just saw a video with an arm warrior having defensive and battle stance, are they back? Tell me it's only on arms spec because I didn't see anything on my prot

[slim dove]

what?

have you been in def stance for the last 10 weeks?

[limber flame]

kek

[strong forum]

all warrior specs have 1 dps stance and defensive stance

[fervent smelt]

Are you trolling me?

[strong forum]

since DF launch

[fervent smelt]

Wtf

[warm plinth]

I'm American. That's not a very common day to have off unless you work for the government or something.

[fervent smelt]

Omg

Elvui screwed me over

[warm plinth]

What did you think the points at the top of your tree were

🤔

[fervent smelt]

I don't have that

[warm plinth]

You do have that. We get them by default.

[slim dove]

bruh.

[fervent smelt]

Elvui

[warm plinth]

You can't not have it

[warm plinth]

I have ElvUI, what does that have to do with your talent trees?

[slim dove]

its right there bruv

[fervent smelt]

My PC is off I'll screenshot tomorrow

[strong forum]

so let me get this right

you played all of DF

without being in a stance?

[slim dove]

[fervent smelt]

I've been back for 10 days and mainly on my guardian

[strong forum]

ah okay

[fervent smelt]

Fuck

[strong forum]

still makes for a funny screenshot

thank you for that

[foggy ruin]

look at the top 2 nodes of the talent tree

[mighty valley]

companies can just pick some number of the national holidays so it's kinda up to them, i guess my company just thinks february is a nice time to have a day off

[fervent smelt]

I'm debating turning my PC back to check it out.

[warm plinth]

Yeah I know it's up to them; I'm just saying it's not very common to have Presidents Day off

[strong forum]

its fine, but theyre literally at the top of the class tree

and selected by default

no need to rush it now

just remember for tomorrow 😄

[fervent smelt]

If I find it on my screen and have been complete oblivious, I'll kill myself

[strong forum]

ingame*

[warm plinth]

Let's not go that far...

[fervent smelt]

Would it have been on defensive automatically, because I was watching pikaboo talking about a warrior not having any stance selected at all

[warm plinth]

No, they are toggles

So you can choose to not be in a stance by just toggling whichever one you're in

[fervent smelt]

I've done full lfr and m0 without that last week

[warm plinth]

But there's zero benefit to that

[foggy ruin]

m0 just play in battle stance tbh

[sick sentinel]

easiest way to get spark?

[warm plinth]

You play in battle stance 99% of the time in all content.

[sick sentinel]

need 1 more

[warm plinth]

Do things

There's no "easy" ways to get sparks past the 5 guaranteed ones

[sick sentinel]

so basically kill all elite bosses?

so raid finder etc

[fervent smelt]

Thanks for the quick answer. I'll post screenshot tomorrow.

[warm plinth]

Pretty much everything can drop them so whatever floats your boat

[sick sentinel]

ty

it drops as a bottle right

[warm plinth]

Yeah, bottled essence

[sick sentinel]

not spark direct

ty

[foggy ruin]

drop rate is abysmal

[warm plinth]

I have yet to see one drop on any toons

[foggy ruin]

ive only seen like 3 drop total for anyone since

[sick sentinel]

i saw one get from world boss

[warm plinth]

There was a dude in here who got two of them within 2 hours right after they were unlocked lol

[sick sentinel]

today

[strong forum]

if you never entered a stance, you are simply without a stance

its not on by default

[naive panther]

22 hyrja hurts.

Shield wall up and takes 60% of hp plus my 150k absorb

[final gust]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YaG9h1qxRFryktjp#fight=last finally got around to getting a log to work, this is only a +16 rlp so it's not fantastic, and I def made some mistakes

tear me apart

[naive panther]

Reflect plus demo seemed strongest. Assuming spell block works too

[final gust]

i'm pretty sure my tier uptime is crap, i've been trying to focus on using revenge more and IP less, but on higher keys I end up out of rage from IP spam under heavy duress

[mighty valley]

basically 69%, nice

try not to panic-mash IP since missing revenges due to too much IP hurts you both offensively and defensively in the long run

quite a lot of wasted rage, watch that

[warm plinth]

85% blocked hits is pretty bad. Work on that

[final gust]

i was pulling stuff in ways that would've killed me in higher keys from not blocking stuff

[mighty valley]

yeah, this is a low key for your ilvl

[warm plinth]

Are there specific places where you've felt "squishy"?

[final gust]

only during cow fight kekw

i haaate that fight

i wonder if i ended up charging elemental and getting slapped in the back

[foggy ruin]

thats a hard fight for sure

[final gust]

what do I do when capped on rage and only getting more btw

[slim dove]

frog skip still works right

[final gust]

just hit IP for AM?

[slim dove]

been a minute since i did av

[foggy ruin]

just dump rage for anger management

[warm plinth]

All the skips in AV still work

The people claiming they didn't were trying to ring skip without killing bosses

[slim dove]

dope ty.

[mighty valley]

yes

don't let yourself hit the cap

you just gotta develop a feel for your rage income at different parts of your rotation and maintain a level of rage that fuels revenge casts/SB

and skim the rest off the top for IP, mostly for angy management/outburst

[crimson furnace]

..guys, why arent we playing the shock-build?? i did some dungeons and the fun level of 25sec shockwave is amazing...

[wide charm]

what is a good overall for AV when skipping frogs ?

(this week)

cause i had a practically perfect run

[tropic tangle]

less damage, and you need to keep your stop on CD to get the damage

[wide charm]

and timed it by like 30 sec

[tropic tangle]

your stop is for stopping things, not slamming for dmg

[mighty valley]

if you find shockwave fun in easy keys go nuts, but it's worse in every way than roar

[foggy ruin]

it rly slams in easy content tho

i rly liked it in m0s before m+ came out

[mighty valley]

sure but you could do m0s with no talents selected

[tropic tangle]

yeah, there's not any real discussion to be had there. if you like it in low keys, go wild.

but it's worse than roar, and to get the damage from it you're just slamming it on CD

[warm plinth]

There should not be many cases where we're not blocking melee effectively though. Like you should be above 90%, preferably closer to 95%. The only unblocked melees you should be taking is maybe during the gathering of multiple packs. Otherwise there's no reason you should be taking unblocked melees.

If you are, that's either a positioning issue, or a shield block not being up issue, both of which can be improved by working on gameplay

I'm not saying you are going to die instantly or something if you have lower than that ofc. But he claimed that his issue was that he felt he had to "spam IP under duress", which leads me to believe he's not pressing buttons properly since you should not be in a regular state of feeling like you need to spam IP

[foggy ruin]

bro just keep shieldblock up at all times

not more more complicated than that

[warm plinth]

I mean if we want to dig into the semantics of how I worded it, you're welcome to. My feedback is solid though. Working on blocking more hits is a good way for him to improve.

[final gust]

most of the time i have to spam ip is because of magic damage lmao

but thanks, i'll work on ensuring i'm blocking everything

i'll probably have a log from a higher key avail later

[warm plinth]

That's why I asked you where you felt you were "squishy", because you had mentioned having to spam IP.

Which isn't something we generally have to do outside of preparing for certain tankbusters.

[final gust]

he's a woyer

[warm plinth]

I'm not being aggressive about anything. He said to tell him what he was doing wrong/could improve on, so I did.

I said way more explaining to you why I said what I said than I did giving him feedback

I literally said "85% blocked hits is pretty bad. Work on that". Idk how I can say less than that

Again, this is just semantics. You don't like how I worded it. Fair. But again, the feedback was solid.

[foggy ruin]

ur a bit sensitive about this lol

[slow harbor]

hot tea tonight

[final gust]

it's whatever, solid feedback

i'm not easily offended

[foggy ruin]

solid character trait

[warm plinth]

He literally said "tear me apart" too so I mean, I could've been meaner 😂

[lapis spindle]

How can I not get cornered by orbs on Umbreskull

[final gust]

lmao

[strong forum]

perma run

always run

ok not always

but run alot

[warm plinth]

Just kite him around the edge of the room with his side to the wall

Move as needed for orbs

[foggy ruin]

if u rly struggle, hold avatar for the snare break

[strong forum]

play bounding stride

[final gust]

best time to move is during thundering since you're immune to the slow

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's helpful too

[foggy ruin]

if u wanna be rly extra take intervene too lol

[strong forum]

dont charge through orbs tho

[vocal bison]

it's a little overkill for AV but i cheat and get immovable object with double shield just so i have more avatar clears for that boss on tyrannical in case stuff gets crazy

[strong forum]

thats not just a little overkill

thats super mega overkill

especially cuz cheat is bugged

and procs too early

[lapis spindle]

I avoid AV because of this boss so I will spec bounding next time

[vocal bison]

what's bugged?

[strong forum]

BSV

[foggy ruin]

it procs off pre mitigation dmg

so itll randomly proc when ur not in danger

[strong forum]

that makes it even worse

it procs at 60% hp

and you just

it should be a proper cheat

cuz so many times do you survive at low hp

where you DONT need it anymore

[vocal bison]

oh I don't take BSV, i meant cheat as in getting double wall with avatar clears when i don't realy need it

[strong forum]

ah

the idea was nice

cuz when a pwar is below 30% he might aswell be dead

[lapis spindle]

Does anyone have a recommended spec for AV

[strong forum]

but the way its rn is also just terrible

[strong forum]

regular m+ build with spellblock

nothing fancy

[final gust]

what do we want to spellblock in av?

[strong forum]

piercing shards

arcane cleave from 2nd boss

dragonstrike on last boss

[foggy ruin]

def take spellblock

[lapis spindle]

Thanks for the input

[foggy ruin]

i run this in av

BkEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFIQAAAAgkkEJJkUSKJJpUQEI0kIRJJBIISCNkkgAECAAAAAAAEBAo0aAgA

on 23 last week

[lapis spindle]

Thanks

Trying to hit 2.5K so can't keep avoiding AV

[mighty valley]

The secondary budget on a weapon is pretty tiny

[wide charm]

also frontal in 2nd boss room/bolts in circles

[mighty valley]

I'd run a max ilvl strike twice over anything else

[wide charm]

imo you take spellblock everywhere except CoS

[mighty valley]

You'll have more and more socket opportunities coming up tbh

[wind quartz]

Should i Concentrated Primal Infusion my Lariat from 405 to 418 or my Molten shield from 392 to 418; I already have a 415 Eranog shield

[wide charm]

lariat

[last mason]

70k overall is indeed low for dps in 21s right

dps players

rlp

[wide charm]

i would say kind of yes

[last mason]

details

[dense shuttle]

Hi ! How is Alacritous alchemist stone for Prot ? Crafted one at the beginning for quick ilvl but wondering if it's worth upgrading it

[strong forum]

Its usable if you never plan on getting raid trinkets

[fathom goblet]

Does paladins do more dps than us ?

[strong forum]

No

Not currently, dunno how it'll look in 10.0.7

[wooden widget]

what are the blue and red circles in heroic raz

after first intermission

[strong forum]

You get a Polarisation

[dense shuttle]

So raid trinkets are much better even if lower ilvl ? Like 418 alch vs heroic trinkets ?

@astral atlas checked wowhead one's but alch stone wasn't in

[strong forum]

If you stack with the correct colour you get dmg buff, if you stand ath the wrong one you fuck the raid up or smth

[fathom goblet]

How much haste do you guys have ?

[wooden widget]

ok so a blue circle just means you did the seasonal affix correctly?

[strong forum]

Ye heroic ones will defo be better

[strong forum]

No, they shift back and forth for some people

Gotta watch out for that

[wooden widget]

ooooh

[dense shuttle]

alright, thx ! Won't bother upgrading it then

[strong forum]

It's like the boss in naxramas

Blue stack with blue, red with red

[wooden widget]

so people with circles need to be ready to swap sides?

[strong forum]

Ye

[wooden widget]

gotcha

ty

[forest tulip]

Y'all ever run a prot pally? Similar to prot warrior?

[dense shuttle]

@astral atlas didn't know about that kurog's trinket, looks fun

[slim dove]

its fun, million CDs to rotate through, flashy, can carry retards better then prot war

[golden crescent]

Does ignore pain get reduced by the healing reduction from tanking broodkeeper ? I wanna bring my paladin to raid instead of dk so I want to con our prot war into tanking the boss

[vocal bison]

that's inappropriate, they like to be called demon hunters and rogues

[wide charm]

how do you guys ever know if you deal enough damage for a key ?

i always find myself quite low but can't really know

[fathom goblet]

@wide charm u need press more buttons

[severe prism]

Enough damage is when you time the key, litteraly

the ballpark of 60% to 80% of an average dps is a decent target I’d say

[fathom goblet]

The higher your key more you need to dps

[wide charm]

80% is cracked

[forest tulip]

Like I love the class fantasy of prot warrior. Literally just too angry to die. But prot pally is so shiny PLUS THEY THROW A SHIELD

[wide charm]

on tyrannical weeks there is no way that is happening lol

[fathom goblet]

They throw many shields

@wide charm what do you mean ?

[vocal bison]

we need 2 hander plus shield, scrawny paladins can only use a 1 hander

class fantasy!

[wide charm]

I don't see how i could possibly end up with say 80k dps in a AV for example

[severe prism]

pulling big is the key

and there are crazy pulls to be made in this instance

[fathom goblet]

@wide charm either you are not pressing enough buttons or you are not pulling big enough. There is no way around

[severe prism]

(arguably scary tho)

[wide charm]

are you guys doing 80k in AV ? like i just go out of one and timed it by 30 sec

perfect run

[fathom goblet]

80k average is ridiculously high

[forest tulip]

Oh yeah. The sound of divine toll is probably one of the best sounds in WoW

[severe prism]

nah, spell reflect and execute are far better

[strong forum]

80k in AV?

As tank?

[severe prism]

whoooo-chiiii

[wide charm]

that is my overall in AV

how am i gonna do 80% of a dps

[strong forum]

My highest in AV was 69k

But 80k is a bit out of reach

Without going full pad mode

[severe prism]

I said between 60% and 80%

80% is the high end, when dps are not so good

[fathom goblet]

Is that correct ? Thunder clap do more damage than shield slam ?

[wide charm]

even 60%, i have like 50% here and idk what to do more

[strong forum]

Yeah compared to good dps players

Tank dps is sad

[severe prism]

your slam is way too low compared to to clap imo

[wide charm]

got 306 TC casts and 408 SS casts

[strong forum]

Yeah your SS should be higher

[fathom goblet]

I think SS should be your most dps spell

[wide charm]

not playing punish btw

[severe prism]

in tyrannical, this sounds like blasphemy

[wide charm]

there are pretty big pulls in that dungeon tho, so i do TC outburst procs

[fathom goblet]

Because you generate more rage with ss

[strong forum]

This is my dmg breakdown from 69k dps in AV 20tyr

[wide charm]

need the extra cuts from disrupting shout

[strong forum]

Like, the only key where SS isn't #1 dmg is AA

Cuz of mega padding

Maybe in nokhud aswell I guess

[wide charm]

how long was key ?

[strong forum]

28min

[wide charm]

ok cause i had more TC/SS/Revenge casts lol

[severe prism]

this is my build for AV

[strong forum]

So you depleted?

[wide charm]

timed by 30 sec

[strong forum]

So, 1min longer than my key

More casts but less dps?

[wide charm]

AV is 34min

[strong forum]

Is it?

Oh well, I thought our timer tighter

Nvm then

[wide charm]

my game tells me i timed it in 33:33

and i remember it being 30secs

[fathom goblet]

Can u share you av route ?

[wide charm]

i mean idk

[fathom goblet]

Your

[wide charm]

100% before 2nd boss

[strong forum]

Only 6k dps from SS

Sir

Your average hit of SS is very low

[severe prism]

!Tv12YTniq0FjJUZRn9LEzuthY4hzQT1IRAuKYiHstFPF7HDbKaSNb7bw29Wzp7IqYKpjfN66MgpcZl9tJY2IdzfsXLPHP5hpnaAn8Lr1e53QE6b0E)4v5Ns8P7DtOsTuOH3n)V8C)R))xQ5PRlsXlD9y8Qza(90q3xN6hHo5zP4mCDTFaHRLTVpUWaXFb4zzBLumD(pWf9IbcJ13onSciAxwNNHr9JRddY2YT1I1ZdWBGXwMu8QztmUwwWF4iJg50OGgL0OchACtVRACx7IgkOAkioYfsam8wLdkvqyw35bU3e4o6mhqZ7NHEBPZMLJSckAwjrr2g1CU74MgP(tjekhcOUd0ClOhSGMLGMvxc5j3LwLEucugVcgOpER7rylKBSsD2YQkQ(TRggRKnmchh9t2ko1uXPHMustQijgZg8h3kASm3pQYvhXSChOA)wH6fwrAIRi2LhUj7cPUrG2Y)cYJYG(kQGXVBBxGi5yepIrCuR2p9IGmOChBwuJkJfNaUOzBslAlpbrDWPuhLDuxn2dgdklGNNy2QhlpQTiMnU8J4AYDg7rJBwEhvQ0v)1beV25V)aRCIUhJW0Xm52RDB5d1OYQIeWSekxSDM3TcYAUB05rih2YSFZKiBYvT9ycZkpQ2v134H)SsUNTdwyLUEZwi0EjUwE7ftgpP(3iV9MtwYhZy8eKWSllUtsV9n7pVoEfMgTVHuGpHaVGpkyEHybgmF7hFyAxeeZ9k9puQfGEuG(0HdWUELQ)Y6G(FMJ7GuS23jf8ho8ZJ8Vx0(TJgFKF8

[strong forum]

Yours is only 22k

[severe prism]

that’s my MDT route

[strong forum]

My average SS hit is 47k

[wide charm]

!9rvtpYjmm0)sJj8XW12EPTsthTmQh6HOod4mLwwOle2U7L(BVXoHGbTQsrisI9798Zg0G(IU6AtZq)xXXP2HE9P0djP6Q6HUHXZx7qRf)yVzGJB2o8E682(763TlMMxCPQT6kl(I75ddZw8VFhY0vnTgtB9CN9v9Pe3()G4V0NGd6QhBAjCnJi(JHUMpn02Jn6B6QB4952oIMtW690gh0pFTBgP8QNhhXE755Uo9jvCF18To8z0DwIUAS1y)IXmH2jxkeRxCyyJb)H5(74qVx(PK6XhjEDIyc7WAl5juIedU0(TJmpsIh0kHxkELYRmELtllD5sOw6w)MsoPcoPJSQil1vXgfAmI08HxWHFKdVK5aaMeGCE3P7OWsxErGlHAjkInKqgdmKZid(kWzvm0js1RK8KStXkCT2ap9jVrOkSKkUOjSyEb1gRaqf6v8XRezU5iYzQ(qpkSWmw45EDFGFRKVd82g4TCL)wWFqI)A2blIYDTzcEnKlgFK2jPLLkjLtltmgWT(YO5XKfEruUjEkk2uMKnfyCfB1M60YsxAzGyNLQ5lIdvrxvcOvqsXUIJAtq6wml3GzYgmfTsWp5T3YCZFC7dcZNqXstoiITTa4)9j1cdhfcCv9Q4qgft(B0ztfJlzBmtFNkny22O1UG(vW34JgNFkSmw40zzcq2oCyfKTyD5HRTchF)hyC7iBxfbsRyrpUxw0SSU4otAWX5Fdo324kNN(w(RnFE6H6Z6QHB)09BVPqq6)b

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qgy3287wGAFTKrRN#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=4

[wide charm]

this is what we did

[strong forum]

Can see here

[fathom goblet]

@severe prism exact route or do you split some pulls ?

[severe prism]

exact

[strong forum]

Amau is seems to me

That you don't use outburst very much on shieldslam

And you probably underuse avatar

[wide charm]

well i thought on 5+ targets we should use on TC ?

no ?

[fathom goblet]

@severe prism do you use this route with pugs ?

[strong forum]

Only during avatar, and if you don't need the rage

[fathom goblet]

@wide charm SS generate more rage so it’s your priority

[severe prism]

I dont do much pugging

[wide charm]

yeah but in packs you never run out of rage do you ?

[severe prism]

but it’s pretty doable

[strong forum]

I still prio SS pretty often

And as my dmg shows, it proves quite good

[fathom goblet]

I still prior as so I can keep renewing ignore pain

[strong forum]

Often times you have large prio mobs

That need to Die

[wide charm]

i got 41 Avatar casts btw

[severe prism]

outburst on clap is OK on 8+ targets or 5+ targets with avatar (or something around those lines)

[strong forum]

Same

I had 41 avatar casts in 28 minutes

You only had 41 in ~34 minutes

That's a huge difference my guy

[wide charm]

one thing that may play a difference

[severe prism]

the thing about outburst on SS is that you generate more rage, so more IP, and more uptime on avatar as a result

[wide charm]

i had to kite some adds at one point

cause of bolster

[severe prism]

sounds sus to me

[fathom goblet]

Whats the cd on avatar ?

[wide charm]

in 2nd boss room

[strong forum]

35sec

If you play well

[fathom goblet]

35 ?

[severe prism]

35-45 depending on pulls

[fathom goblet]

K

[severe prism]

on HoV, first pull with lust, you can easily bring it down to 30 i’d say

[strong forum]

Well sure

Lust big pulls are different

To the average

[severe prism]

yeah yeah, I’m pushing it for example sake

[wide charm]

i wish i could link you the log but it got bricked idk why (the 2 timed at the top are +11 on an alt)

but i could show you the NO one if you want to see what my problem is lol

[strong forum]

Maybe tomorrow

I was planning to sleep 4hrs ago

But I just HAD to check logs

Smh

[cursive needle]

Will I get fucked using grieftorch with a pack on me?

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/0sPE.gif

[wide charm]

but yeah i may be wrong but i still feel like part of the dps differential is in the fact in 20 you don't gotta kite anything

or even spend globals on stuns lol

[lapis spindle]

Thanks for the tips on Umbre I actually managed to time a 17 which is a big deal for me

[warm plinth]

Why are you kiting as a prot warrior anyway

[strong forum]

Andy also does close to 70k on his chars

Smh

[wide charm]

hmmm

then maybe not

[strong forum]

Don't use keylevel as copout

Just SLAM

[warm plinth]

Like the only pull I might kite is the last pack of TJS if I have bad DPS

[jade trench]

How to tell poeple you only do low keys without saying you only do low keys '

[wide charm]

you gotta admit you can't compare the way you tank a 15 and a 22

[severe prism]

you could argue that kiting the dot on the bird in temple is a-OK

[severe prism]

yes you can

[warm plinth]

That's not really kiting though. That's just outranging a mechanic

[severe prism]

fair

[wide charm]

not if you are max gear, and you are able to do "high keys" then you absolutely can tank pulls in ways you couldn't in said high keys

[warm plinth]

But yeah you don't tank a 15 any differently than a 22 really. You might have to use defensive CDs in places you didn't in the 15, but other than that it should be pretty much the same.

[severe prism]

that ☝️

[wide charm]

in a 15 i'm probably not playing the same talents either way

[strong forum]

You should see the pulls that keia does

They do some crazy ass pulls

In 26/27

[sterile bough]

well he kinda right tho u dont really kite as prot no matter key level

[solemn current]

But what are you even kiting in a 22 AV? The only thing that’s unavoidable and hurts I could think of is the frontal the miniboss mob in second boss room and piercing shards. Neither of which can really be kited.

[strong forum]

They pulled all of last boss trash ontop of AA läßt boss

[warm plinth]

I took that to be referring to what Amaumau said

[strong forum]

All those Whirlwind mobs

[warm plinth]

Not to what I said

But maybe I'm wrong

[strong forum]

On fucking 26 tyr

[wide charm]

it was a 24 and like 2nd boss adds hurt

[strong forum]

They pulled trash ontop of smbg 1st boss

On +27

[warm plinth]

2nd boss adds? Kick them 🤔

[wide charm]

the adds in the room

[strong forum]

You can outrange icecutter btw

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah just outrange icecutter lol

[strong forum]

Slightly

[wide charm]

which is ?

kiting

[warm plinth]

Outranging a mechanic is not the same as kiting

[strong forum]

Nah

[wide charm]

ok

[severe prism]

at this point, this is kiting

[strong forum]

Kiting is full on running away

[wide charm]

that was what i thought it was

[warm plinth]

Kiting is like, generating threat and then getting the fuck out of dodge

[strong forum]

I wouldn't call that kiting

[foggy ruin]

omega semantics

[warm plinth]

Like if you want to see kiting, go watch high legion keys or S1 shadowlands keys

[strong forum]

Yeah but it's gotta be clarified

[warm plinth]

Then you'll see kiting

[wide charm]

weird argument

[sterile bough]

hov dogs gameplay

pplaf

[sick sentinel]

did my dk from 62 to 65 today, he'll be lvl 70 by tuesday i think

[warm plinth]

How is it a weird argument

[jade trench]

That was bc warriors needed to change constantly

[warm plinth]

I'm not running away from the mob. I'm moving away to avoid a mechanic, then moving back in

[wide charm]

"if it's not legion style kiting it's not kiting"

[warm plinth]

???

[strong forum]

Kiting is engaging once to get threay

And then run away

Until dead

Outranging a mechanic is going in and out for the slap

Imo

Like you do with bears

In HoV

That's kiting

Or wolves

That's kiting

[warm plinth]

Yes, not the same thing at all. That's like saying sidestepping a frontal is kiting. It's literally just movement to avoid a mechanic. You're not trying to avoid tanking the mob.

[wide charm]

in one of them you can't hit the add anymore

not in the other

[strong forum]

Exactly

[wide charm]

when i "kite" icecutters

i can't hit them

it's not a frontal i dodge

[strong forum]

Ye but you go back in after

Cuz the mechanic is over

[warm plinth]

You're not staying out to avoid tanking the mob. That's the key difference.

[sterile bough]

hmm how far do u need to be to outrange ice cutter?

[strong forum]

Not very

[sterile bough]

any1 has clip ?

[strong forum]

It's only slightly larger than melee range

[sterile bough]

so like arance strike?

[wide charm]

no

[warm plinth]

It's 8 y ard range, so similar to other spells you can avoid by moving away

[strong forum]

Not exactly no, bit larger than that

[warm plinth]

yard*

[wide charm]

you have to be way further than that

[sterile bough]

ah then fuck it

just tank it

we are prot warriors

lul

[strong forum]

It do kinda slap

[wide charm]

yeah, no

[strong forum]

Regardless

Even if yiu block it

1 does like half hp

If you don't critblock

No hueno

[sterile bough]

tahts why we have 40 defensives

[strong forum]

You use them for spell frost breath

[severe prism]

this can be outranged as well btw 😄

[strong forum]

Cuz you do the large guard + 3 small guards

In 1 pull

[sterile bough]

I do like taht

jiga bin chilin

[strong forum]

Kinda

I guess

[strong forum]

Ya but you have CDs for that pull

[warm plinth]

Idk if it's worth outranging though because you're going to be moving the other mobs away as well (the lieutenants), and you have ot just sit there waiting for it to end

[strong forum]

Outranging that guy is trolling

Cuz he has so much hp

[warm plinth]

Better to just use CDs

[strong forum]

That's inefficient

[sterile bough]

I remember getting few times with ice cutter for 900k still dont know how

[warm plinth]

Maybe block wasn't up?

[strong forum]

It's 2 schools

Iirc

[warm plinth]

Or it caught your back idk

Yeah it's physical and magic

You can block the physical part but the magic is what chunks

[sterile bough]

I remember being like im full hp full ip im not pressing wall

and then I died

[warm plinth]

oof

[severe prism]

yeah, but you can use this knowledge to pull more mobs while he is breathing and not use anything on this one

[sterile bough]

maby block run out or sth

[warm plinth]

That's what it sounds like to me

[strong forum]

Depends on what's available but ye

[foggy ruin]

can u outrange dark claw

[sterile bough]

nope

but I think if u are far they are not casting it

[foggy ruin]

will it kill someone else or just hit regardless

[sterile bough]

at all

dont think it works like that with dark claws

[strong forum]

You can, yes

[warm plinth]

You can outrange it as far as like...if you're far enough they won't cast it

[strong forum]

It's not a fervent

BUT

Haunting gaze

[warm plinth]

But it's really really hard to avoid it

[sterile bough]

but hunting gaze will be casted on closest target

[strong forum]

Does fervent

[foggy ruin]

i see ty

[warm plinth]

I just wish all the avoidable mechanics were like mortal hew where you just twitch backward and don't get hit

[sterile bough]

yet no matter key level u should tank em all pretty much

no need for running

or jsut stun the casts

[warm plinth]

Yeah you can use literally all your CDs on that pack

Since the boss is nothing

[slim dove]

a x4 bolstered ice cutter from the lieutenant does indeed slap

[foggy ruin]

how big is the window to reflect multiple casts

like rly rly small yeah?

[jade trench]

If it's not Imps in COS then you'd just have to be lucky.

[strong forum]

There isn't a window

[warm plinth]

I did a 20 with my buddy tanking on his BDK last night and he took a 4x bolstered ice cutter and it did 80% of his HP with Vampiric Blood up

[strong forum]

It's 1 frame

They all have to hit at the exact same time

Exact same time

[foggy ruin]

is it doable with dark claws on pack before last boss

[sterile bough]

yes

very common to do that

[strong forum]

You need to have em all synced up

With shockwave

[foggy ruin]

do u need to pull it a certain way

[sterile bough]

for me I usually see all synced casts around the end of the pack

at the begining its always fucked for me

[jade trench]

Never thought about lining it up with shockwave. I guess you'd just use it instantly right?

[warm plinth]

I've heard that if you pull them with ravager, they start synced?

But I haven't tried it

[foggy ruin]

maybe titanic throw?

[warm plinth]

I'm scurred

[sterile bough]

tried it doesnt work but might have done it wrong

[warm plinth]

I have pulled them with titanic throw but tbh I didn't really check if they were synced since it was a low key

I might have a log for it though, let me check

[jade trench]

You could shroud into aggro range of all of them in the same instant?

[strong forum]

Heroic leap into the middle of the pack

That should sync em

Cuz they're all in melee range at the same time and start their CD

[warm plinth]

Yeah doesn't look like titanic throw worked